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FoundersKeeperUSA
Posted on September 14, 2010 at 1:30pmWhy do you think whan the Canadian President had to have heart surgery he came here? We all know this kind of rationing was going to take place.Now we have beaurcrats telling us what surgerys will be covered and what wont be.America the nightmare is just begining.We all have to stand up for our country in Nov. and get these Liberals/Progressives out of washington.Our kids and greatgrand kids will look back on us as either heros or the worst american generation.
Report Post »ClassicalLiberal
Posted on September 14, 2010 at 1:00pmAbolish socialist entitlements of all kinds. Phase them out if necessary but get these socialist programs out of here. Let the individual decide whats best, not someone else.
It does not matter who that “someone else” is when an individual is oppressed from deciding for themselves. It could be a king, dictator, bureaucrats, or society at large. Its all the same in the end.
Report Post »JackieG
Posted on September 14, 2010 at 12:38pmWOW! So if I need Hip Replacement surgery I might be told no because of my age, really?
Report Post »I bet if Pelosi needs a Hip she will get it.
Repeal this piece of crap Bill NOW!
bookofwisdom
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Perhaps if everyone read this they would have a better understanding of why nobody should want this outrageous care (if you can call it that). I know people who cannot afford health insurance, they go to the emergency room when they get sick and they pay nothing. When I had to retire to take care of sick parents I was paying $500.00 a month for my “Cobra” health insurance; my retirement check is just a little over $1,000.00 a month. You do the math. I do NOT want ObamaCare. I would rather starve than be without my own selected health insurance. Please, get the “true facts” before you vote on this…not only your health care is involved, but everyone in America. Thank you.
Report Post »FEIN
Posted on September 14, 2010 at 11:53amRationing health care without saying “rationing”….
But, as Pres. O has stated that with the wonderful “wellness” programs and “preventive medicine” programs nobody will get sick and with everybody having health care then less poor people will die in the emergency rooms…and I am still waiting for the tooth fairy to give me a dollar under my pillow….
Report Post »BehindBlueEyes
Posted on September 14, 2010 at 11:38amI wonder if that dreaded disease liberalism is covered under Obamacare?
Report Post »Waiting4George
Posted on September 14, 2010 at 12:41pmYes, under the mental health rider.
Report Post »RojBlake
Posted on September 14, 2010 at 11:30amWhere to start…first I suppose I should say that I believe that “healthcare” isn’t a “right”, it’s a service…provided by professionals who have dedicated a lot of time & money to obtain those skills.
I don’t believe in slavery, so I don’t believe I have a “right” to someone els’s labor (are you listening Federal Government). Right come from God, or nature, & pre-exist government.
There are some fundamental differences between the concept of auto-insurance, & health-insurance…auto-insurane in dependant on obtaining an automobile; & auto-insurance is not expected to cover basic maintenance.
This doesn’t begin to cover the back-room; behind-closed-doors dealing; the lies; the false promises; & the general level of incompetence in government…that in the end…WILL COST LIVES.
Report Post »nsblues
Posted on September 14, 2010 at 11:20amPlease everyone stop replying to dangling, stop letting him/her/it control the debate.
Report Post »wingedwolf
Posted on September 14, 2010 at 11:15amFlagwaver, I once worked in a law office where they did collections work. It was a dirty job and I lasted 3 weeks. Champus was the so-called insurer for the military, I don‘t know if it’s the same now, but you and all of our military deserve SO MUCH BETTER! Champus approved everything, but paid for nothing. They approved every procedure, every prescription, every specialist visit, every pair of glasses, everything, but they never paid the providers. They are the federal government and will pay if and when they feel like paying. Meantime, service people were losing their credit and their possessions to sheriff’s sale because of Champus. I did not have the stomach to take away things from our military because of healthcare bills that weren’t being paid by Champus. I had a case on my desk where Champus approved emergency treatment for a heart attack 7 years previously and not one penny of any of the bills had ever been paid. When I called Champus, they always cheerfully told me that all was approved and would be paid, but got REALLY shi#%@! when I demanded to know when, on behalf of my clients? I was threatened and hung up on. Meantime, the law office had already obtained an order of execution for the sheriff to take over the property of and to evict that soldier and have a public auction of the property and all the contents. I was physically ill. I left work that day and never went back, didn’t even collect one paycheck from them, I could not accept money from people who could do that to servicemen and women. This is exactly what we can look forward to with this medical takeover law. Flagwaver, THANK YOU AND YOUR FAMILY FOR YOUR SERVICE!
Report Post »BehindBlueEyes
Posted on September 14, 2010 at 11:00amWhy is it we had to pass the bill to know what’s in it?? Simple if we knew what was in it we would have rejected it. What happened to the transparency they promised?
Report Post »keepthechange
Posted on September 14, 2010 at 10:58amQuestion?when this stuff gets atround and everyone knows the full content of what the DEMONRATS have done to us will there be any DEMONRATS left in washington?
Report Post »printdesignchicago.com
Posted on September 14, 2010 at 10:07amuntil the doctors office looks like the welfare office, the politicos won’t stop.
Report Post »Marylou7
Posted on September 14, 2010 at 10:41amSo true!
Report Post »ishka4me
Posted on September 14, 2010 at 10:04amI have not seen nor heard of one house or senate campaign using their affirmative vote for the health care debacle as a reason to vote for them this Novemeber. If it was such a great deal, why are they afraid to talk about it?
Report Post »Diego Garcia
Posted on September 14, 2010 at 9:59amWhy is Danglinbags so often the first post on everything posted on theBlaze? Is he a blaze tool to prime comments?
I’ve stopped commenting.
Report Post »missmarie
Posted on September 14, 2010 at 11:15amNot sure about the Blaze connection, but I find it really annoying to have to search through the comments for a thoughtful, respectful and insightful reply to the actual story. Often, the original post is reported and removed and all that remains are the negative comments responding to the original poster. I was/am guilty of responding also, but have now stopped saying anything negative.
Report Post »RoseAnnaDanna
Posted on September 14, 2010 at 9:56amWe need to go back to hospitalization with major medical prescription coverage after you pay a deductible via relative costs rather than something called health care. When a person is sick they pay the office call out of pocket. Hospitalization used to be a method for business to get the best employees by offering benefits. It was an incentive to work hard and get a good job. Health care and preventive medicine is an individual’s responsibility. That system worked just fine until the unions started demanding more and more. Then along came Hillary Care which gave the insurance companies far more power than they had ever had over what they would cover or not. Now we are in over our heads with demands for even more.
We simply need hospitalization and catastrophic insurance. We were never guaranteed anything just because we breathe. If a person did not have any coverage community used to help. People went to church and congregations took care of their patrons rather than build huge opulent houses of worship. People used to buy houses as a hedge to old age and relative costs. Families took care of their own. Today too many families want to find a way to keep granny’s money and ditch her in a nursing home. Greed is at both ends of the spectrum. Business and families.
Get the government out of our lives and maybe just maybe business and family would again have some loyalty to their people. There are other Glenn’s out there that want to do what is morally right.
Report Post »Chalupa
Posted on September 14, 2010 at 9:56amThe president is incorrect about liposuction. In most cases it is not covered by insurance and you have to pay for it nor is Lasik surgery covered. Another case of him making a false statement to support his position. I’ve had to deal with this throughout my career, supposedly intelligent people making up data to support their agenda. It’s kind of like creating words in Scrabble.
Report Post »Pattio
Posted on September 14, 2010 at 9:55amUh, Obama, Lipo and Lasik are generally NEVER covered by insurance since they are considered elective. That’s why they are two medical procedures whose costs have actually COME DOWN over time. Group insurance killed the idea of affordable healthcare. If people actually paid for service, we wouldn’t be discussing this. And no it’s not “fair” that not everyone would be able to afford every procedure. Life is hard. Life is not fair.
Report Post »Anonimouse
Posted on September 14, 2010 at 9:50amWhile I like the idea of newest comment at the top, I would not suggest it
as any kind of remedy to Dbangs.
Let Dbangs have his say. It’s a public forum. What’s the point of singing to
the choir?
Challenge him. Show him why he’s wrong. He probably won’t
Report Post »listen. I‘m not even sure if he’s an “average” citizen. His lightening-fast postings
would indicate that he’s here almost all the time. Even that’s ok. If they didn’t
fear us, they wouldn’t pay any attention.
MONSTER
Posted on September 14, 2010 at 10:20amThanks for your input Anonimouse… I think that my being immersed in politics for the last 2 years has produced a certain level of anxiety… And now that this nation is heading into what appears to be the homestretch of a nothing less than a referendum on liberty, perhaps I am just slightly guilty of looking for my very own personal “straw man” this morning… I have come down from the ledge… For now…
Report Post »wingedwolf
Posted on September 14, 2010 at 11:21amAnonimouse, what an inspired insight! If he’s spending so much time on The Blaze, he just might soak up a little sense!
Report Post »MONSTER
Posted on September 14, 2010 at 9:32amFirst off, I want to say thank you to “The Blaze” staff for making this site an exciting and interesting addition to the conservative cyberscape…
That being said, I am only going to post about the resident troll this one time. I have really enjoyed the news, and the articles, but the way that this “Dbag” has latched onto the Comments section makes me want to ignore the majority of the comments. There are conservative websites that have some great commenters, but this troll has hijacked The Blaze, almost, from day one. The Comments Section seems, at times, to have been hobbled by this infiltrator. I have already seen evidence that “Dbag”, in come cases, wouldn’t have time to read the article or view the video before making a comment. Because of the way the comments section leaves the troll comment lingering, and all of the other posts come below it, many of the posters here can’t seem to leave well enough alone, and their comments are directed at the troll instead of the subject matter. Boring…
Please fix the comments section so the newest post is at the top. And perhaps then you could make it easier to view the “Oldest” post also… I believe this would go a long to way to neutering “Dbag” and his copycat brethren… That, or ban the worst offenders, of which I believe “Dbag” would qualify…
Why can’t “Dbag” post “first” like every other brain dead trolls out there. So far there is zero evidence that “Dbag” is even capable of being a “progressive”. Our real progressive enemy is cunning and wily… “Dbag” is neither of these… He’s either just a run-of-the mill, product of the public education system… Or he works for Cass… He could be both… You never know these days…
Like I said, first, last, and only post concerning this situation…
Report Post »carrera
Posted on September 14, 2010 at 9:43amMonster-
Report Post »Danglingbags comments represent the core of the Democrat Party, I actually find it interesting reading his posts, they are filled with hatred, he mocks and ridicules other’s like a true progressive, so illogical at times it helps you to better understand the ideology of his party. I do agree that we should not engage the nonsense with any responses, simply read the Democrat party mantra and move on….
MONSTER
Posted on September 14, 2010 at 10:04amCarrera-
I like the “move on” part… Thanks to your insightful reply, I will not be throwing out the baby today, or anytime soon… And thank you for your perspective on Democrats… I think I really needed some input this morning from someone that I would consider… Normal…
Report Post »Debrabate
Posted on September 14, 2010 at 11:02amMonster… believe it or not he has actually gotten BETTER. Now he occasionally says something that starts the debate instead of they original copy and paste party line.
Report Post »BetterDays
Posted on September 14, 2010 at 11:19amAgreed, and well spoken as well.
Report Post »I propose further changes to theBlaze site in addition to putting new posts first. I sugggest we also enable the posters to “friend” each other and a method of displaying and tracking our friends comments, I suggest that we be able to “favorite” comments, I suggest that we be able to post to Twitter and other social media our posts as well.
Why should Huffington Post have the best method, the most user friendly method. Let’s be better in every way than the “Left” shall we?
Cheryl Taggart
Posted on September 14, 2010 at 9:20amhmmmmm, not too fast. The surgeons bread and butter is those ops. They won’t go down without a fight;~)
Report Post »CoFX
Posted on September 14, 2010 at 10:38amCheryl – I hate to say it, but I don‘t think there won’t be much of a fight. Earlier this year, the New England Journal of Medicine ran a survey, and found that nearly one-third (29%) of doctors would possibly leave medicine if Obamacare passed. If a public option were to be added to the bill, the number jumps to 45%. With the potential decrease in staff and the exploding burden on the system, doctors that stay will be plenty busy, and more will be rushed through the education system to try to fill the gap. I can‘t imagine having to wait years to see if I’m approved for a necessary surgery, only to be put on another waiting list if approved, then finally, when I get rolled into the ER, my doctor ends up to be some 22 year old kid who was ushered through the Med program as quickly as they could.
Report Post »DanB
Posted on September 14, 2010 at 11:17amReally? I think many of them might just simply “exit stage right.”
1. This is the government they would be fighting. Government = using everyone’s tax dollars to fund their legal arguments. Surgeons = using their own dollars to fund their legal argument. It is so easy to spend other people’s money that government could just spend the surgeons into bankruptcy on the case. Plus, it is starting to look like the courts might favoring government. I hope not, but it is starting to look that way to me…. I pray the courts turn down Obamacare as unconstitutional, but I am not going to hold my breath for it.
2. Even if they did win their case against the rationing, where is the money? Under a government mandated and run system, if the government ensures that the money is first spent on the healthy, the young, and others who have the potential to earn taxes (hate to break it to you but under universal health care your value to society is based on the money!!!), then after all this money is spent, what money is left is to pay for these surgeries. Well, guess what, that is also rationing. Why do you think other countries have long waiting lists for surgeries? Because the money is spent first elsewhere, from administrators to the politicians to the healthier producers and then what scraps are left over are for those left still needing care. So these surgeons still are on the short end of the stick.
3. Their compensation will be government mandated. In short, they spend all the extra time and money learning their specialty just to be told by government that they won’t be paid enough to pay their loans and other obligations (such as malpractice insurance) as well as put food on their own tables. These are bright men and women. Take a hint. They will either accept government dictating their very lifestyles, as in government taking possession of them in exchange for their debts, or they will strike out on their own to make money. Who knows, maybe this is what we need for an economic recovery. Maybe after they’ve been driven out of medicine and surgery they will become our next wave of entrepreneurs, because they will be driven to make money to pay off all those college debts they acquired to become surgeons…. But of course, that would mean that we would only be left with government controlled surgeons paid government wages–probably tossed into government unions with union regs on time spent in surgery, breaks, vacations, and all that other stuff to make sure they don’t work really really hard to stand out against each other in any sort of competitive, free market way.
Report Post »Pelosis_Nemesis
Posted on September 15, 2010 at 12:25amyeah the doctors will stop treating human because they will be able to make more money as Veterinarians…..this ObummerCare sucks !!!
Report Post »Joseph
Posted on September 14, 2010 at 9:19amWhy should Obama really care? Once he became a Senitor, he and his wife will have unrestrictive health care for the rest of their lives. If she wanted Liposuction, she will be able to have it as much as she can.But if you as a average citizen at the age of 70 needed knee surgurey, you with get a cane from the 99 cents store and a knee brace from Target. “We don‘t know what’s in the bill, but we will fix it as we go“ or ”Read the bill…whats all of this about reading the bill?”
Report Post »wingedwolf
Posted on September 14, 2010 at 10:53amMy mother, aged 71 was last year refused a gall bladder operation by medicare. Her doctor told her it was because they didn’t expect her to live 10 more years, so it wouldn’t be cost-effective. SO HELP ME GOD!! A medical doctor said that to my mother, no matter that both sides of our family lives into their 90‘s and 100’s, so what did this doctor know that we don’t know about her life expectancy and what kind of doctor says such a thing to his patient? This is what you’d better get used to, people.
Report Post »Joseph
Posted on September 14, 2010 at 11:40amwingedwolf,
sorry to here that. I’m not a doctor but if it was for gallstones there is a proven remidy for that. It can be a brutal 2 days, but it’s worth it. I did it for allergies and it worked. I‘m not sure if I’m allowed to post the site, but I’ll try. Have her check it out with a good doctor and see what they say.. Good luck!
http://www.treelite.com/downloads/GallBladderFlush.pdf
Report Post »Rickfromillinois
Posted on September 14, 2010 at 9:17amIt sure sounds like they are talking about rationing health care. Sounds like what the Democrat’s plan is that if you get old you should just do everyone a favor and die. How very compassionate of them.
Report Post »doug081756
Posted on September 14, 2010 at 9:46amWhat needs to be understood is that every Elite-class group like this, as a subsequent post indicates, will have access to anything they want. It is just the little people that will not. My mother, who passed away a year ago, would have had to bear up under a debilitating agony after her hip socket basically deteriorated to where the joint would no longer stay together. This “new” approach would have left her completely helpless, and the system would have moved on to more important outcomes — keeping the hip joints in place for the “more deserving”.
Report Post »carrera
Posted on September 14, 2010 at 10:10amDoug-
Report Post »President Obama (Youtube-Obama to Jane Sturm-hey take a pill) stated “maybe your better off, uhh, not having the surgery, but, uhh, taking the painkiller” His words speak volumes.
rocktruth
Posted on September 14, 2010 at 9:10amIf you can‘t walk and need your hips replaced because you’re in tremendous pain, the doctors will give you addicting drugs for the pain. In the mean time you’re put on a waiting list for hip surgery. After waiting couple years you end up dying of liver damage from all the drugs they gave you.
Report Post »Joseph
Posted on September 14, 2010 at 9:22amJust hope they don’t get ahold of the drug companies and production. Who knows with will be in those pills to save a buck to prevent a surgery. Actually they will bring in Cuban doctors to save a buck too…
Report Post »adifftake
Posted on September 14, 2010 at 8:53amAo they went from saying insurance companies have to cover everyone just not everything. That‘s so past dumb it’s really saddly funny.
Report Post »danglingbags
Posted on September 14, 2010 at 8:49amTea Partiers…
Dont get health insurance and if you get sick lose your house and pass your healthcare costs to you fellow Tea Partiers…….
adifftake
Posted on September 14, 2010 at 8:55amDbags when it’s you needing a hip replacement, or a heart procedure, and they refuse you due to your age, will you be changing your tune?
Report Post »Rickfromillinois
Posted on September 14, 2010 at 9:16amThink your a little confused guy. The Tea Party crowd are the ones who already have private health care. It‘s YOUR crowd who doesn’t think that it is fair because so many of your crowd doesn’t have health care and wants everyone else to pay for theirs.
Report Post »carrera
Posted on September 14, 2010 at 9:35amThe result of one’s belief that their individual salvation is based on collective salvation will always lead you to the demonic path of rationing. Those who believe in rationing are the exact same individuals who make certain that it does not, under any circumstances, apply to themselves and their loved ones. Democrats refused to accept any legislation that would have made them subject to rationing. Page 30 explains how a Government committee will determine what treatment you are entitled to, they will determine your fate and your child’s fate, they will determine whether your life is worthy enough. When their child is sick, they will have the luxury of discussing it with their private Doctor and family members, they are NOT required to request permission from a Government committee. Gratefully, 19 States are in the process of repealing, however, we as tax payers are burdened with the legal costs while the Federal Government argues their case. The cost of litigation will be staggering, as Americans we should demand that when party leaders defy the Constitution they should personally be responsible for any and all litigation cost, or perhaps their “thrift savings plan” can fund their madness.
Report Post »GOTT-EM-MAUSER
Posted on September 14, 2010 at 9:48amOne thing you may want to ponder Dangle-Dork; IF the Communist Health Care Program does in fact become “LAW” there will be “EQUALand OPPOSITE” groups that begin “Determining” just what the relative “VALUE” is of the Good Communists that try to ENFORCE their “LAWS”. On this “YOU” can depend, “GARRANTEED just as GOOD as GOLD.”
Report Post »Diego Garcia
Posted on September 14, 2010 at 9:57amWhy is Danglinbags so often the first commenter on everything posted on theBlaze? Is he a blaze tool to prime comments?
I’ve stopped commenting.
ishka4me
Posted on September 14, 2010 at 9:58amthis danglingbags is a leftist from a soros run blog called my left nutmeg. he enjoys the freedom to post here, but his blog removes different opinions from the extreme left on his site. the health care was a fraud from the start, and in court in Florida the 20 attorneys general, will defeat the bill quite easily. it is what the teabaggers were saying from the start, it is unconstitutional
Report Post »Flagwaver
Posted on September 14, 2010 at 10:07amI already have “government health care” it is called Veteran’s Benefits Health Care at a V.A. Hospital. Personally, if that is what the Democrats are shooting for, they need to have their rifle taken away.
Report Post »carrera
Posted on September 14, 2010 at 10:13amISHK4ME- “*********” is a foul sexual term, while our President has used this term to describe his opposition, I would expect a bit more respect from an ordinary individual with values.
Report Post »CoFX
Posted on September 14, 2010 at 10:28amDangl – no time today to copy and paste from a liberal blog site? You might take a few extra minutes next time to find something you can plagiarize – I miss your off topic, hateful rants. you were much more fun when you weren’t boring us with your own thoughts.
Report Post »BetterDays
Posted on September 14, 2010 at 10:54amBags,
Report Post »Is it not an oxymoron for a socialist to call themselves a “progressive” ? After all, what exactly is “ progressive” about socialism, does it not in fact always serve to “regress” any society it’s implemented in? Yes, indeed an 100% failure rate of socialisms is quite a track record, you have every reason to be so proud bags! You defend evil, and not very well I might add.
Perhaps if you spent more time at “regressive University”, cramming up on techniques like, “how to race and class bait like Saul Alyinski”, or “how to never tell the truth unless it serves your personal needs like Bill and Hilary Clinton”, or “how to serve the leader of the whole world, without admitting you truly know you serve Lucifer.” All these training sminars are available to you at Huffington Post, free of charge unless you call selling your soul a price.
PeterBreitholtz
Posted on September 14, 2010 at 10:59amIn this possibly terminal phase of human existence, democracy and freedom are more than just ideals to be valued – they may be essential to survival.
Report Post »~Noam Chomsky
RickMartin
Posted on September 14, 2010 at 11:04amHave way to much time on your hands dingleberry, get a job!!!
Report Post »E Pluribus Unum
Posted on September 14, 2010 at 11:08amI don’t need government healthcare. I pay for mine and I want to be able to get the best doctors and the best care if/when I or my family need it. I’d sell everything I own and start over again from scratch if I had to. You see DB there is a thing called “working” it’s what you do so you can earn/save moeny to pay for things you need and want. 1 job, 2 jobs, 3 jobs, whatever it takes to earn/pay your way in this world. You might wanna try it sometime. Most of us have no interest in supporting moochers and freeloaders. No one in this country is refused healthcare and if they were they would sue since being refused healthcare is against the law. That’s how the truly poor are already covered. If you claim that this is a lie, show me where all the people dieing in our streets are?
Report Post »Debrabate
Posted on September 14, 2010 at 11:14amOMG!!!! OMG!!!!! OMG!!!!!
+++++++++NEWS FLASH+++++++++++++++
DBAGS MADE A POINT…. START THE PRESSES!!!!!
DBags said “Dont get health insurance and if you get sick lose your house and pass your healthcare costs to you fellow Tea Partiers……”
This is actually a very good point. Why? Because it SHOULD up to each individual to get health insurance. Much like Homeowners insurance or Renters insurance or Auto insurance.
People DO have the OPTION to purchase (unless you still owe on your mortgage or car, then most banks require ) these insurances. If you have a fire in your home, you loose your home and get NOTHING if you do not carry insurance. If you have an accident in a car and do not carry insurance You could be sued and loose your home.
So that said, if anything happens bad in someones life, should it be up to the government to MANDATE the rest of the country make it all better? I say NO! The US is already the most generous country in the world…. let me narrow that down a bit more. Statistics say that conservatives are the most generous. We may not be able to give much but we do give what we can. And we do it without the government telling us that we have no choice.
Also if people are in real dire straights, people can call and negotiate prices with hospitals and make reasonable payments. They can also request a line by line bill and contest that $24 asperin. I know this because I have done it. Most people simply let the bill fester and then end up nailed with interest and late fees.
Cracking down on hospitals for charging $24 for 2 asperin and other outrageous charges may be a suitable solution. However mandating that everyone else pays for someone else’s care is not.
Report Post »Reaganstillthebest
Posted on September 14, 2010 at 11:26amIf you actually believe ANYONE, other than the government employees who don’t have to participate in this program, will be better off with Obamacare you obviously need someone to think for you because you will hurt yourself.
Report Post »capnjack
Posted on September 14, 2010 at 11:54amI don’t know a single Tea Party member who does not have Health Care. It’s you and your kind dingleberry that has lived off the dole all your life and expect others to pay your way.
Report Post »anunyapete
Posted on September 14, 2010 at 12:38pmDinglebag,you, and all your cronies, are missing the point. Under Obamacare, some government lackey will make the decisions about what qualifies as a healthcare “benefit”. And neither you or anyone else can stop them. First, the hip replacement goes away — after all, that’s not a “basic benefit”. What’s next? Pain pills for the elderly?
Maybe it’s just me, but it sounds like the makings of a – dare I say it – Death Panel…
Report Post »ClassicalLiberal
Posted on September 14, 2010 at 1:01pmDingleberry,
How about all individuals pay for their own care?
Report Post »jmb847
Posted on September 14, 2010 at 1:03pmVote in Nov. Thanks DGB
Report Post »COjohngalt
Posted on September 14, 2010 at 1:07pmDingles,
Must of us have insurance because we WORK. If you would get out of the basement of your mom’s house and get a job, maybe you could pay for your own insurance also. Or is it easier for you to have the government force your parents to carry you until you turn 60? Take some personal responsibility for yourself and get a job so you can pay for you own way.
REMEMBER, GOLD IS OK BUT GOD IS GREAT.
Me, I can’t afford gold because I take care of my self and my family. When they said to start buying precious metal, I went with LEAD.
Report Post »Hugh Williams
Posted on September 14, 2010 at 1:26pmMy God people, when are you going to understand what he is doing? Danglinbags throws out a comment designed to a get angry response. When I started writing this message he already had 21 replies. Danglinbags works for Media Matters a George Soros funded company. You are doing exactly what he wants you to do when you reply in anger. DON”T FEED THE TROLLS.
Report Post »A Extremist
Posted on September 14, 2010 at 1:55pmOr just pay for your care. Wow , what an interesting concept.
Report Post »rightsidethinker
Posted on September 14, 2010 at 5:41pmDBags…. you cannot be for real.
Report Post »You watch that vid and then all you can urp up is that lame comment? So you support the govt takeover of health care, huh? And no doubt you have read the Obamacare bill and really know what you’re supporting? Yeah. Sure you have. But have you ever thought about what the health care landscape would look like if govt had stayed out of the health care business? What if the deep pockets of taxpayer money had never entered the picture and had not distorted the price of medical services? And what if the AMA had not restricted the number of docs we graduate each year? Might the health care industry then react to the usual free market competitive forces and deliver the choice of services that consumers desire at a price they could and would pay? Might we not have our current accessibility and affordability problems? Maybe our health care problems today are a result of too much govt presence in the market instead of not enough.
Freedom is, in part, about having choices. Govt bureaucracies are about limiting choices and freedom. When govt regulates something you want access to, it regulates and monitors you too. Govt should focus on fostering economic conditions that will produce an abundance of good jobs to generate the income that would permit people to make their own health care choices and retain their dignity, freedom and privacy. Instead, we have Obamacare, an un-American, top heavy bureaucracy that is not even in effect yet but is already making health care more expensive and more complicated. You think things were bad enough to justify govt taking over health care? You ain’t seen misery yet, Bags. Just wait till the Obamacare juggernaut gets out of low gear.
BTW, despite the elitist conjecture about whether or not hip replacement surgery is “basic” care, it is an age appropriate “benefit” that ought to be available to those who need it, sort of like childbirth benefits are age appropriate for younger women. Currently both hip replacement surgery and child birth are covered benefits in most of the private insurance plans from among which consumers may freely select their coverage. Sounds like the hip replacement coverage has already been targeted for exclusion under Obamacare. Many other benefits will disappear too; maybe even childbirth benefits since childbirth isn’t really an illness. Oh, and what about those “million dollar” premature babies? Is being born before you’ve finished developing really an illness or is it a natural, spontaneous abortion of a defective fetus? Is one baby really worth a million dollars when money is in short supply and that million dollars can aid several thousand other citizens? Who will decide? See how nasty this can get? Now, do you suppose that the age and life experience of the bureaucrats who decide what is and is not going to be defined as a “benefit” will have anything, anything at all, to do with which services get covered and which get barred from coverage? At some point this power to decide what health care is available morphs into the power to choose who it is available to and who lives/dies. At some point these deciders become death panels; possibly death panels who are influenced by party politics and personal prejudices. Can’t you see how dangerous it is to leave these decisions in the hands of unelected, unidentified and unaccountable bureaucrats? Your very life depends on understanding this, as does the life of every American. As imperfect as the free market is, it is still our best choice as it is nowhere as imperfect, or as dangerous, as a government bureaucracy. Obamacare’s only virtue is that eventually it will teach even you progressive liberals that hard reality.
Finally, about the Tea Partiers: we believe in the U.S. Constitution, we embrace and will defend the freedoms that are ours by birthright, we are self-sufficient and believe in our personal ability to make our own decisions and run our own lives, we believe in individual strengths and responsibilities, we believe in the value of our time and of our work, and believe that the fruits of our labors should be ours to spend as we choose, most of us believe in God and include Him in our daily lives, and WE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO POWER THIS COUNTRY WITH OUR TAX DOLLARS. We pay our own way, Bags, as strange as that may seem to you, and your pansy suggestion that we force someone else to pay our medical expenses is insulting.
stephenb.net
Posted on September 14, 2010 at 6:23pmI don’t need the government to be my nanny. What you lefties still can not figure out is the blatantly obvious failure that your brand of politics has shown itself to be. The ten most bankrupt states in the nation are run by liberals and have been for decades. California, Illinois, Michigan, New Jersey, Oregon, Rhode Island and Wisconsin are among the most bankrupt states in the country. The only ones not run top-to-bottom by Democrats were Arizona, Florida and Nevada…all of which have huge illegal immigration problems. Liberalism=Failure Why would anyone continue to dip their bucket into the empty well of progressive ideas?
Report Post »Compete or Lose
Posted on September 14, 2010 at 10:09pmThere is a better solution–it is to provide all US Citizens a $2,000 per year health care voucher that can only be used to purchase health insurance. For a family of 4 that is a $8,000 annual subsidy. Let americans pick the insurance company they want. Have all policies owned by the indiiduals. Eliminate exclusions for preixisting conditions. Fund the vouchers with dedication of the traxes on tobacco and alchol together with a broad based 4% national sales tax. Eliminate restrictions on insurance companies competing accross state lines. Create a federal malpractice court that only awards actual damages and upon a finding of malpractice, the court would designate action against the practioner/institution (up to license suspension) to prevent repeat the malpractice. Require all insurance companies to offer a “minimum coverage” policy for $2,000.
THis strategy would cause the insurnace industry to compete for the extended market heloping to hold down the cost curve. For states they could replace the medicare costs with the national health care vouchers saving the states the risks of open ended liability. In addition, since all insurance policies would be owned by individuals, all state and federal employees would be no longer have their health care paid for by the government saving the state and federal governments substantial costs.
This plan would remove the tax exemption for health insurance provided by employers or VEBAs so if an employer pays any premiums for supplemental insurance for their employees the payment would be income subject to taxation including FICA and Medicare.
This will help preserve Medicare into the future by eliminated the $500 billion theft from the Medicare trust fund to pay for Obanacare for non seniors.
Report Post »LunchboxISU
Posted on September 14, 2010 at 10:35pmDanglingbag-
We already have health insurance. We have real jobs and support our families the way people should. Just because your lazy ass doesn‘t want to work for a living doesn’t mean we should pay for your “needs” and heal you whilst you leach more and more away while contributing nothing.
Report Post »idiots4obama
Posted on September 15, 2010 at 11:26pmI got a better idea you loser. How about we intentionally not pay our mortgages, save the $$, stay in the home for 15 months and save $50,000- then buy the best insurance and let the dumb ass liberals who made all of this possible pay the cost of the home since they love paying taxes so much? How about that one douchebag? Thought so- you’re another reason for IDIOTS4OBAMA COM . Go educate yourself so you can see just how stupid you used to be.
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