Obama Denies Knowledge of Controversial Fed Operation Smuggling Guns Into Mexico
- Posted on March 25, 2011 at 5:50pm by
Meredith Jessup
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Gun shop owners and whistle-blowing agents with the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) recently announced their concerns with a controversial government program which allows the smuggling of U.S. weapons across the nation’s southern border. In response, the Obama administration is now denying having any knowledge of the operation.
Dubbed “Project Gunrunner,” the ATF says the mission is designed to “deny firearms, the ‘tools of the trade,’ to criminal organizations in Mexico and along the border.” But the operation‘s critics say it’s doing exactly the opposite, allegedly facilitating the delivery of thousands of guns into criminal hands.
CBS News broke the initial story last month.
In late 2009, ATF was alerted to suspicious buys at seven gun shops in the Phoenix area. Suspicious because the buyers paid cash, sometimes brought in paper bags. And they purchased classic “weapons of choice” used by Mexican drug traffickers – semi-automatic versions of military type rifles and pistols. Sources tell CBS News several gun shops wanted to stop the questionable sales, but ATF encouraged them to continue.
So-called “suspicious buyers” purchasing huge quantities of weapons for “personal use” were logged into an ATF suspect database over the following year. Most all of the weapons were allowed to “walk” so ATF could gather intelligence and see where the guns eventually ended up. Unfortunately for many, the guns often ended up at crime scenes along with dead bodies.
One agent called the strategy “insane.” Another said: “We were fully aware the guns would probably be moved across the border to drug cartels where they could be used to kill.”
On the phone, one Project Gunrunner source (who didn’t want to be identified) told us just how many guns flooded the black market under ATF’s watchful eye. “The numbers are over 2,500 on that case by the way. That’s how many guns were sold – including some 50-calibers they let walk.”
50-caliber weapons are fearsome. For months, ATF agents followed 50-caliber Barrett rifles and other guns believed headed for the Mexican border, but were ordered to let them go. One distraught agent was often overheard on ATF radios begging and pleading to be allowed to intercept transports. The answer: “Negative. Stand down.”
CBS News has been told at least 11 ATF agents and senior managers voiced fierce opposition to the strategy. “It got ugly…” said one. There was “screaming and yelling” says another. A third warned: “this is crazy, somebody is gonna [get] killed.”
Sources within the ATF told CBS News that dozens of tracked weapons turned up in shootouts with government agents — some of whom had no prior knowledge of the ATF gunrunning operation.
One unidentified agent reportedly argued with his superior over the controversial and dangerous policy asking, “Are you prepared to go to the funeral of a federal officer killed with one of these guns?” Another agent noted that every time there was a report of shooting near the border, “we would all hold our breath, hoping it wasn‘t one of ’our’ guns.”
When U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was gunned down last December, serial numbers on two assault rifles found at the scene matched weapons the ATF had allowed a “suspicious buyer” to purchase.
A Washington Post investigation last December linked 115 firearms confiscated over the past two years by Mexican authorities to Carter’s Country gun outlets. But the shops’ attorney says the sales were made at the express insistence of the ATF. As a result, a federal grand jury reportedly launched an investigation of the chain.
“Let me tell you something about Carter’s Country. They have been cooperating with ATF from the get go,” says attorney Dick Deguerin who represents Carter’s Country owner, Bill Carter. “They were told to go through with what they considered to be questionable sales. They were told to go through with sales of three or more assault rifles at the same time or five or more 9 millimeter guns at the same time or a young Hispanic male paying in cash. It’s all profiling, but they went through with it… They reported them promptly, either while the transaction was going on or soon thereafter. They did this for months and months and months. Went through with the sales because the ATF told them to go through with the sales,” he added.
According to Deguerin, the ATF asked Carter’s Country employees to follow some customers into the parking lot after completed sales to record license plate numbers. “If the ATF had used the information that Carter’s Country developed for them they could have stopped these guns from going across the border,” he insisted.
A spokesperson for ATF would neither confirm nor deny the co-operation agreement with Carter’s Country, but told the local Houston Fox affiliate, “I don’t think we would issue a blanket directive.” In the meantime, Deguerin says his client — the gun shop owners — are feeling unjustly vilified.
Now under increasing fire for the controversial operation, the Obama administration is denying having authorized the mission. During an interview with Univision this week, President Obama said neither he nor Attorney General Eric Holder knew of the operation, now called “Operation Fast and Furious.”
Responding to reports that the Mexican government has complained about the U.S. operation that allowed guns to illegally cross the international border, Obama said he didn’t inform Mexican President Felipe Calderon because he — the president of the United States — wasn’t informed either.
Ditching the old presidential moniker “The Buck Stops Here,” Obama responded that the U.S. government “a pretty big government” with “a lot of moving parts”:
Although Attorney General Holder denies having authorized the controversial program, the Inspector General‘s investigation into the program began after the smuggled weapons were found at the scene of Agent Brian Terry’s murder. Since then, at least one gun smuggled from the U.S. was used to kill Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) Agent Jamie Zapata, but it has not been determined if it was part of “Fast and Furious.”
“Letting guns ‘walk’ is not something that is acceptable,” Holder told a Senate Appropriations Subcommittee hearing this week. “Guns are different than drugs or money when we are trying to follow their trail. That is not acceptable.”
The death of Agent Zapata also raised questions about the safety of American agents operating south of the border. According to reports at the time, Zapata and his colleague were pinned down by known drug smugglers, but were unable to retaliate because U.S. agents are not allowed to carry firearms on Mexican soil. If the ATF is indeed allowing Americans guns to be smuggled into Mexico, shouldn’t American agents at least be armed?
Former Arizona governor and acting Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano — who has previously insisted America’s southern border is more secure than ever — has also denied prior knowledge of the “Fast and Furious” operation:
The Obama administration has previously blamed U.S. guns for Mexican drug violence and called on Congress to enact new more strict gun control measures. But with reports of ATF agents encouraging American gun retailers to be reckless with their sales, gun advocates worry politicians in Washington may be purposefully inflating the threat of cross-border gun violence to justify new gun regulations.
On Friday, NRA president Wayne LaPierre called into the Glenn Beck radio program to voice his organization’s concerns with the “Fast and Furious” operation and its potential impact on Americans’ right to bear arms:
In contrast, the George Soros-funded Center for American Progress (CAP) claims the NRA is using the “Fast and Furious” operation in an attempt to discredit the ATF:
Congressional calls for a large-scale investigation into gunrunner operations like “Fast and Furious” have gone unanswered by the Obama administration.
Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, initiated an investigation into the operations with a letter to the ATF dated Jan. 27, 2011. In it, Grassley notes his concerns about potential “careless” negligence in implementing the strategy.
Grassley then addressed a follow-up letter to Attorney General Holder dated March 3. Despite the DOJ’s insistence that ATF would never “knowingly allow weapons to fall into the hands of criminals, or let firearms ‘walk’ in an operation,” Grassley said mounting evidence supported whistleblower allegations.
In addition, Grassley’s letter stated that ATF agents had been threatened and warned against speaking out against the policy. “If you don’t think this is fun, you’re in the wrong line of work– period!” one ATF supervisor’s email read. “This is the pinnacle of domestic U.S. law enforcement techniques. After this the toolbox is empty. Maybe the Maricopa County Jail is hiring detention officers and you can get paid $30,000 (instead of $100,000) to serve lunch to inmates all day.”
Two weeks later, the same supervisor wrote to senior Justice officials, reiterating his support for the controversial strategy, but noting that increasing levels of violence demanded more urgent action:
Our subjects purchased 359 firearms during the month of March alone, to include numerous Barrett .50 caliber rifles. I believe we are righteous in our plan to dismantle this entire organization and to rush in to arrest any one person without taking in to [sic] account the entire scope of the conspiracy would be ill advised to the overall good of the mission.
“Dismantling the Mexican drug cartels is a worthy goal. However, asking cooperating gun dealers to arm cartels and bandits without control of the weapons or knowledge of their whereabouts is an extremely risky strategy,” Grassley wrote. “These documents establish that ATF allowed illegal firearm purchases by suspected traffickers in hopes of making a larger case against the cartels. ATF was not alone. The U.S. Attorney”s office appears to have been fully aware and engaged in endorsing the same strategy. Congress needs to get to the bottom of this.”
House Oversight and Government Reform Committee chairman Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., is also reportedly pursuing answers and has assembled his own investigatory team. In a letter addressed to Kenneth Melson, acting director of the ATF, Issa urged decisive action to “assuage the public’s deep suspicions.”
“Recent media reports have raised grave questions about your department’s handling of operations involving gun trafficking in Mexico,” the letter begins. “In the aftermath of the tragic killing of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry and Immigration and Customs Enforcement Agent Jamie Zapata, it is imperative that you act decisively to assuage the public’s deep suspicions that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) has a policy permitting – and even encouraging – the movement of guns into Mexico by straw purchasers.”
In the meantime, ATF agent Dobson warns that recent deaths at the hands of criminals weilding “walked” guns is just the tip of the iceberg. With so many illegal guns now in circulation, the death toll will likely only rise:
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Mobus
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 6:23pmObama the know-nothing, no surprise there. My main complaint is why the heck would the send ‘thousands’ of weapons? If you want to follow where the gun ends up send one weapon then! No wonder they lost track of them!
Report Post »felina g
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 8:52pm“The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, “I‘m from the government and I’m here to help.”
Report Post »Ozymandias
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 12:56pmHomeland Security could mess up a steel ball with a rubber mallet.
Report Post »bets
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 6:23pmLOL writing letters get real. Congress has no power anymore. They are just there to make we the people feel like we run the place. Progressive traitors in both parties have done a good job. Now what…
Report Post »yippeya
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 6:51pmyou are right. letters,e-mails phone calls don’t mean anything anymore. “America is at that awkward stage. It’s too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards.” – Claire Wolfe
Report Post »SoldierOfTheRepublic
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 6:19pmThat RT interview with the George Soros cheerleader, just pissed me off.
Report Post »EqualJustice
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 6:27pmWait until you hear what comes out of the SOROS INET GLOBAL ECONOMIC CONFERENCE in NH at Bretton Woods in April! That should be great…..
Report Post »PIPCO
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 8:21pmYou understand that RT is the Russian english language news channel “Russia Today”, don’t you? They make me sick!
Report Post »rocker98
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 6:19pmHe’s not clueless! His dog ate the briefing! It’s called secret information laundering. He learned it in Chicago. Then, it’s tilled into the WH garden.
Report Post »EqualJustice
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 6:17pmABOUT TIME someone paid attention to this story!! Thank you Blaze!
Report Post »Texas woman56
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 6:17pmGlenn and all his people, thank you so much. Maybe now that you are looking into this we will have some answers. Could the U.S. gov. have sent thousands of guns into Mexico to try to change our gun laws? Does anyone understand how many children have been killed on the streets of Mexico with these guns? We have been waiting on you Glenn!! You are the one person that we can trust. I think Congress, etc. may come out with the truth but how long with that take and probably it will stop at a low person on the ladder before it gets to the top.
Report Post »El Paso, Texas
mmc
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 6:16pmThis administration is a danger to all Americans. Eric Holder has to go…….he is a disgrace to all honorable law enforcement officers. Thank goodness we had whistleblowers on this!! There must be
Report Post »an email paper trail, meetings etc to follow all the way to the justice dept and who knows probably Janet Napolitano( fits her long term goal-anti second amendment).
karenjerry
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 6:48pmCan you name one……..Just ONE person in this administration who isn’t corrupt. We are now in the midst of the greatest political blunder in our history. I am still quite puzzled as to how this man made it to the oval office with all the baggage he brought with him. His k-mart account must be reaching a very large amount…since Michelle does all her shopping there. Oh…has anyone heard where her and the neighborhood are going to spend this weekend? The vacations alone will take our children years to pay off. Surly they have worn out a couple of fleets of Air Force One’s since his swearing in. Lord help us make it til 2012
Report Post »GoingBeck
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 6:16pmNumber 1: Assume everything Obama says is a lie.
Report Post »Number 2: If he isn’t lying, he’s incompetent.
Number 3: If he isn’t incompetent, he’s a fool.
RLTW
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 7:06pmAll take all the above for 1200 GOINBECK.
Report Post »VermontPatriot
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 7:53pmI don’t even try to believe him anymore.
Obummer is not a leader, just a big disappointment.
I never even bought into his crap, and I still feel let down. :(
Report Post »dgboy
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 6:15pmHe wouldn’t have done a damn thing about it whether he knew about it or not?
Report Post »Sinista MACE
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 6:15pmHe’s a liar.
Not surprised.
He’s also a terrorist and a condescending jerk.
Report Post »Smug
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 7:05am@Mace
Report Post »I agree. Also this administration is leaving me feeling very suspicious of their motives. The name of this mission “fast and furious” alone sounds like they intended to get as many weapons and as quickly as possible into the hands of these people. Showtime made a good point could they be arming them to invade us on U.S. soil? I fear for our country.
shipwreckkelley
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 6:14pmMaybe after Janet Incompatano’s failure to find guns going south across the border, beginning in march 2009 for 5 months they failed to find a single gun in vehicle searches for the stepped up efforts at the border.Of course they did find 239 bodies along the border & 39 million in cash in vehicles.Maybe this was the way to create the crisis they needed to shut down the gun shops along the border.We all know how they feel about a crisis now don’t we.
Report Post »RLTW
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 6:08pmThis is a clear case of people within this administration working hard to create a second amendment crisis, it had nothing to do with tracking weapons.
I truly find it hard to believe the ATF is stupid enough to think this method would be productive, who came up with this idea? Please step forward.
Report Post »logictrumps
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 6:08pmProgressive Standard Operating Procedure
Create a problem
Offer a solution
Progressives hate self defense, it implies independent sovereign individuals using their right to life and self defense to act against an aggressor. Progressives want a society where the central authority is everything, including the only source of your protection. They want to use the impending threats of violence from one group or another to pressure the populace to approve of measures including unfair taxation and redistribution of wealth as a means of tackling the root of the problem. Of course they will never solve a problem, it will always be about needing more money in order to hire more legions of ivy league progressives to solve the problem.
Progressives are about treating the ills of society – never solving them.
Report Post »LadyIzShy
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 6:06pmhear no evil see no evil..
of coarse he says he doesnt know about it.. DUH
he is trying to bring down this country.. if he can restrict our right to own guns he can win.. he THINKS..
Report Post »clockwatcher
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 6:04pmClueless you got to wonder how we can last 2 more years with the black jimmy carter. VOTE VOTE get rid of this fool and supporters. How that hope and change working for you???
Report Post »T-2
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 6:03pm…nothing to see here people move along…oh did you hear the president will show his birth certificate?
Report Post »Diamond Girl
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 6:02pmIn the words of Congressman Joe Wilson ‘You Lie!”
Report Post »beboc1
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 10:43amI had bumper stickers made up that say; Joe Wilson was right
Report Post »Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 5:59pmHe denies knowledge of his birth certificate, Soros, and the fact that anyone but Bush is to blame for anything. He will even deny he is the President, he even forgot his house key.
Report Post »Mil Mom
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 12:29am@Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 5:59pm
He denies knowledge of his birth certificate, Soros, and the fact that anyone but Bush is to blame for anything. He will even deny he is the President, he even forgot his house key.
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Report Post »Nah! That was a warning to him, he must have given a speech which wasn’t on the teleprompter!
NickDeringer
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 5:59pmYou can’t make this stuff up. Dear God in heaven, please look out for our country. It is being run by madmen.
Report Post »TRONINTHEMORNING
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 5:58pmWell, that’s true Mr. Prez, it’s a pretty big government and far be it from you to even begin to understand what goes on in it in the real sense. Hell, you don’t care and if you do, you care about yourself and your power. But then, you have lied many times before so it‘s a crap shoot as to what you really know and what you don’t. I know I don‘t trust you as our president and I wouldn’t trust you with anything else. You are a definitive disgrace and I am ashamed of you and your administration. You are a puppet of evil and you may not even know it. But a majority of Americans do and we will have you shown the door in 2012. Then, you will really be locked out of the White House.
Report Post »nolefan2
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 8:20pmI could not have said it better!
Report Post »Eblaze44
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 5:57pmThe only way Congress, Senate or House will ever get answers is to bring the bums to the capitol building and make them sit and answer questions. writing letters to Obama or his crew, is like writing a letter to the editor of your local rag. and it gets the same response.
Report Post »and to the republic
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 5:57pmthis headline could have simply said “Obama Denies Knowledge” and it would have been 100% correct…..
Report Post »TennesseeConservative
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 10:08pmYou sure hit that nail on the head. That is always true.
Report Post »shy
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 6:51amor you can ask him what his definition of ( IS ) is.
Report Post »PeachyinGA
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 5:57pmIt happened on his watch. Why doesn’t he know?
Report Post »jackeric61
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 6:53pmBush started it!!!!
Report Post »annieoakley
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 7:13pmBO is deaf, dumb AND indifferent.
Report Post »MrObvious
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 10:41pmThe ATF has been a disaster from day one. Time to dismantle it.
Report Post »Catching criminals is the job of the FBI and police.
Enabling violent criminals seems to be what the ATF and DEA do.
Obama, like those before him, on both sides, doesn’t know most of what these agencies are doing, or why they’re doing it.
Well, just to explain it to the presidents and everyone, when it comes to the ATF and DEA, stupid is as stupid does.
Mil Mom
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 12:23am@PeachyinGA
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 5:57pm
It happened on his watch. Why doesn’t he know?
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Report Post »Obviously, that’s not what he was watching?
Cherynn
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 2:21amAt the party of lie, cheat and steal we take advantage of every opportunity to lie, cheat and steal. Its how we get things done!
Report Post »EP46
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 6:54pmThe PUPPET was so busy playing golf and going on vacations he did not check his blackberry. I’m sure the puppet master sent him a message about it.
Report Post »MeteoricLimbo
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 5:54pmkeep the heat on this one..
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 6:27pmAmen, turn the heat up and up until we see what leaps out of the stew pot.
Report Post »BCNU
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 8:06pmThis was first repoted/released on SaveTheRepublic.com on January 6
Go TO
http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/batfe/index
And scroll to the bootom and “next page” to fo;;ow it back to last year…
ATF source confirms ‘walking’ guns to Mexico to ‘pad’ statistics
Report Post »Thursday, January 06, 2011 6:20:43 AM · by marktwain · 21 replies
Gun Rights Examiner ^ | 5 January, 2011 | David Codrea
“Coming next will be more info on what the agents refer to as the Phoenix ATF office ‘walking across’ ARs and AKs to pad their statistics,” this column reported on Monday, citing a December reference to allegations made on the CleanUpATF.org forum that approval/direction was given for “more than 500 AR-15 type rifles from Tucson and Phoenix cases to be ‘walked’ to Mexico.” As we’ve previously discussed, CleanUpATF is run by a group of Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco Firearms and Explosives employees who formed “a non-profit organization dedicated to returning integrity, accountability and decency to the management of the Bureau…
avenger
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 8:28pmhahaha…and the rest of his sins…
Report Post »Lucy Larue
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 3:18pmMETEORICLIMBO,
Report Post »Again Amen!
I do not know if President Barry Dunham knew but I’ll put money on the probability that “Barney Fife” Holder knew.
The A.T.F. is an arm of the D.O.J..
I’d say that Napolitano knew too but,(and as long as I am using vintage T.V. analogies), she’s too much like Aunt Clara,who played Samantha’s dizzy aunt on “Bewitched”.
This is a “Wonderland ” post. Down is up. Up is down. We’re painting the roses red!
mill
Posted on March 27, 2011 at 12:46pmWho in their right mind actually believes ANYTHING that comes out of Obama’s mouth?
Report Post »The left is hell bent on leading our country to destruction. Forget being a republic, we’ll be a socialists state. Then the press that supports him so solidly can experience what it’s like to NOT have “freedom of speech”. They will be the first ones shut up
338lapua
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 5:53pmMost clueless president in history knows nothing…….shocking!
Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 6:00pmI do believe this country elected Sgt Shultz as President.
pajamash
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 6:03pmI have no recollection of such a program!
8jrts
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 6:05pmClueless yes! Doing his job might interfere with his golf game.
Report Post »silentwatcher
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 6:06pmHe’ not clueless,,,,and he hasn’t done anything since being informed…..that makes him a part of it.
This would not be a difficult investigation to conduct. You begin with what you know,,,and it sounds like it should start with interview with the officials that said to ‘stand down.’ They did not make the decision to stand down,,,they, too, are following orders. You just work it up the ladder til the ‘buck stops.’ Then inform the public which gov;t officials are ‘going down.’
If nothing is done,,,if there is nt investigation initiated,,,then the ‘buck stops’ at the top. You know who I mean.
Report Post »TXPilot
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 6:07pmWell, its possible he didn’t know anything…what with all the parties, international apology tours, basketball and golf games, Whitehouse parties and the frequent bull sessions with union thugs, radicals, Communists, Socialists and Muslims….I’d say he was way too busy to notice an unimportant little detail, like our government deliberately shipping guns across the border to enable cartel soldiers to massacre hundreds of people……hmmm…or it could just be him doing the “CYA” thing, yet again?
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 6:14pmI have to believe Obama DID know of this operation; unless indeed he is the most clueless POTUS we have ever had in the White House. Somehow though, that just does not ring true, since I first heard of this on the Jim Bohannan show last week, and on Beck’s radio show today.
Let the truth come out, and let justice be done, for if it can be proven Obama and others of the admin did knowingly do this, those are high crimes indeed.
Report Post »rwsasinger
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 6:17pmA once-a-year water boarding of every elected official in a controlled environment might finally bring out the truth regarding many questions the American people have about what they do and don’t know. Why is it that we allow our representative government the honor of possessing selected memory when the typical American citizen is responsible to their wives, husbands, children, and family for every action and deed? We cut these elected buffoons way too much slack.
Report Post »pajamash
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 6:18pm“They were told to go through with sales of three or more assault rifles at the same time or five or more 9 millimeter guns at the same time or a young Hispanic male paying in cash. It’s all profiling, but they went through with it… They reported them promptly, either while the transaction was going on or soon thereafter. They did this for months and months and months. Went through with the sales because the ATF told them to go through with the sales,” he added.”
The Mexican drug lords are just laughing their asses off right now. They know that either our politicians will not do anything for fear of being pinned as profilers. Or, they know that groups within the political system will allow the guns to go thru so that they can then be used to kill Americans and the politicians can then say, “See…see what these bad guns can do?! We need to outlaw them!!!”. Either way the drug lords know they win and are laughing their asses off!!!!!
Report Post »cheezwhiz
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 6:19pmZapata and his colleague were pinned down by known drug smugglers, but were unable to retaliate because U.S. agents are not allowed to carry firearms on Mexican soil.
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How about changing that ? What say you Obama ?
silentwatcher
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 6:19pmbig question, though,,,,is ‘why’
Report Post »pajamash
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 6:20pm“Operation Fast and Furious.” — Named thusly because the guns are crossing the border fast and the drug lords are using them when they become furious.
Report Post »randy
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 6:21pmLiar !
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 6:22pmDarmok:
Just remember that between Sgt Shultz and Col Klink, Shults was the one who owned a toy factory and offered the Colonel a job when the war would end…I have heard this story by a pair of journalists on the JimBohannan radio podcasts in the last week or so, and it was done by two journalists who were sought out by the ATF agents and then directed to the congressmembers looking more into it as well.
Something tells me a kettle of fish is about to be cooking real soon, in all the rotton smell of it to fill the rooms.
Report Post »randy
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 6:23pmObama Knew! he put these weapons in the hand of our enemies! How many of those weapons killed Americans? Impeach the SOB and find him guilty of TREASON!
Report Post »BIGJAYINPA
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 6:24pmDo not call the President clueless or let him off the hook by blaming golf, vacations or partying. Barrack Obama knows exactly what he is doing-He is destroying this country! And step one is the disarming of the people! The Second Amendment was not written to protect hunters, but to allow us to protect ourselves from an over-reaching government. An armed populace is an impediment, an unarmed populace is enslaved. Think about it.
Report Post »silentwatcher
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 6:27pmOk, so now they know (maybe) how many guns went into Mexico…..so what!! What good did that do? They still have the guns that are doing the damage. Is it only important to know where they got the guns? How about DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!! WTF,,,,,you people are really p*ss*ng me off.
Mexicano-contra affair?
Report Post »AzDebi
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 6:27pmHaven’t you ever heard of the DTD Club? “Deny Till Death”…If his lips are movin’…he‘s lyin’! Some people lie so much that they eventually don’t know the difference between a truth or a lie! That’s when they are called “Pathological Liars!”…Yep…fits the Prez to a T!!
Report Post »rwsasinger
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 6:29pmAfter reading many of my fellow contributors it occurred to me why nothing is being done about the gun smuggling issues and securing our borders. We appear to have a president who believes that we should be the United States of Mexico. On my last trip to Canada the security and requirements to enter their country were more stringent than my last trip to Mexico. Entering the U.S was a breeze on both counts. Oh yeah, let’s keep those evil Canadians out and open our doors to the impoverished Mexicans.
Report Post »Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 6:29pm@Snow
Report Post »I seem to remember Tip O Neil going after Reagan for something very simular, “Iran/Contra”, I wonder if Obama has an Ollie North that will stand up and take the bullet?
cheezwhiz
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 6:30pmthe George Soros-funded Center for American Progress (CAP) is claiming the NRA is using the “Fast and Furious” operation to discredit the ATF
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Interesting .
Podesta’s lackey , going on Russian TV
to malign NRA
and speak in favor of what ATF is doing !!!
No more proof is needed, now WE KNOW OBAMA KNOWS .
Not only that , the WH hatched this cycle of violence to arm the mexican drug cartels against ATF and the ATF stupidly played along .
Brilliant plan though, heads I win tails you lose kind of plan . Right Obama ?
CatB
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 6:31pmWhat a choice either “clueless” or criminal … I seem to remember another Dem President waving his finger at people and sayi ng “I did not have sexual relations with that woman” … and then impeachment. If he is lying ????
Harry Truman ..“ The Buck Stops Here”
B Obama …. “What Buck .. I didn’t see any Buck”
Report Post »pajamash
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 6:38pm“Ditching the old presidential moniker “The Buck Stops Here,” Obama responded that the U.S. government “a pretty big government” with “a lot of moving parts”
“Former Arizona governor and acting Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano — who has previously insisted America’s southern border is more secure than ever — has also denied prior knowledge of the “Fast and Furious” operation”
So our agencies are now performing clandestine operations without authority from above?
Either way you look at this folks it is an EPIC FAIL on the part of our government. We either look like fools because agencies are performing operations without authority. Or we look like something out of Patriot Games: a country in which politicians set up mysterious operations in such a way that the heat will not come back at them if it/they go south.
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 6:39pmWasn’t Sgt. Shultz on McHales Navy?
Report Post »Ruler4You
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 6:40pmIt‘s actually hard to believe that he ’knows’ anything whatsoever, he spends so much time denying knowledge and proving his stupidity.
Report Post »taskmaster78
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 6:42pmI put my tin foil hat on: let’s say we provided our southern borders drug smugglers arms, and it escalated the violence. Let‘s say up to 36K of deaths and it’s emboldened them to cross our borders without much worry. This would bring instability to our southern borders and would explain why as early as when Arizona tried to enforce border laws they became so obstinate to the effort.
For “RT” to assume the NRA is some how involved with this and they are disingenuous on their concerns is nothing less then disingenuous on their part. I find the use of these so called reports as a waist of time, they have an agenda and will go to every extreme to push to disarm Americans of their God given right to own arms.
Report Post »338lapua
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 6:43pmI tend to agree with the DTD club. But isn’t it AMAZING that we seem to know more about this that (POS) POTUS? I heard this in shocking detail WEEKS ago….He is playing dumb just a bit too well!
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 6:45pmSilent Watcher is correct.
Report Post »NOTHING happens by accident in the political arena (unless your name happens to be “Joe Biden” and you’re the VP). Somebody in ATF&E knew about it; somebody okayed it; and Obama‘s lips were moving when he said he didn’t know anything about it. There will have to be a scapegoat to protect “He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named” – (Voldemort)
joe conservative
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 6:50pmExactly 338, he is pretty busy with the whole NCAA bracket thing though. Obama is a disaster. Look at how he’s handling the Middle East. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeRl7wQ5SnQ
Report Post »SavingtheRepublic.com
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 6:51pmNo no no no no no, you got it all wrong man. I mean besides BHO being clueless on this you (which I doubt), we all forget its Bush’s fault!
No of course not how could anyone in the admin or DOJ be aware of this SETUP to boost the numbers to eventually (in their world) justify going after guns, gun owners and the 2nd in the US. BHO knows everything the more they say he or they arent aware of something the more dirtier they are in it in my opinion!
This thing stinks and its the equivalent in my book to someone being killed then the gun/murder weapon being planted at the killers enemy while the killer gets away! Ya see we the people, sane and conservative common sense gun toting bible loving Americans are the enemy to this pres and govt.! So since we are such a threat they must first disarm us, but how? Well they create a problem to justify ratcheting down on guns in America, thus this thing with guns going into Mexico to boost their numbers that didnt fly last year. And no he will not go after the 2nd he has made it abundantly clear but though Sunstein he will regulate guns right out of our homes!
I can say it enough based on the little I ma learning on this it as Glenn says stinks on ice…. Devils hands are VERY busy!!
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 6:56pm@silentwatcher
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 6:19pm
big question, though,,,,is ‘why’
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When ICE Agent Zapata was murdered in Mexico — when? last month? — and his partner was wounded, my mouth dropped when I read that they were not armed. They were sitting ducks, returning from serving a warrant!
The Virtual Deputy Sheriff‘s website with livestreaming webcams was up the day of the agent’s funeral, but none of the cams were on.
Stephen said they had an IP problem. I couldn’t dispute his word, but EVERY leo as deeply affected by the death, and many knew him personally.
I hope somebody is charged with aiding the enemy and abetting the death of a federal agent. Our Head Loon of “Homeland Security” said every effort would be made to apprehend those responsible for killing the agent, but that might require an elitist to go into Mexico, wouldn’t it?
Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 6:57pmObama LIES. Of course he and Holder know! This is a tactic commonly used by democratically-elected commies to destabilize a target country. They place their cohorts in command positions, so guerillas and/or drug cartels are allowed to smuggle weapons, kill and commit other acts of violence. The general population becomes more fearful, and chaos, corruption and violence escalate, as the good guys in law enforcement are killed or emasculated. In Obama’s case there is a second goal, which is indeed to take away our guns. When is Congress or the military going to deal with this traitor?
Report Post »Highland
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 6:59pmHow would he know? Michelle, Valerie Jarrett and Samantha Powers seem to be running the whole #$@%#$@ country right now as it is. Odumbo just goes along for the free beer and golf.
Report Post »cheezwhiz
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 7:00pm@ taskmaster78
Report Post »Remember last year Obama blamed US gunshop owners of selling guns to mexicans
as well as
that whole propaganda he launched about millions of US guns , killing mexicans in mexico ?
He and Sore@$$ media mouthpieces could never prove it because when questioned, they couldn’t backup their allegations with facts.
I’m sure thats when they decided to manufacture facts to fit their discredited story and try again .
joe3
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 7:07pmIMPEACH, he has caused the death of our law enforcement, illegally.
Report Post »AzDebi
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 7:07pmI remember posting something about this back in February…I thought Glenn knew about this…We knew about this from a newspaper in Tucson…
http://tucsoncitizen.com/view-from-baja-arizona/2011/02/01/senator-grassley-letters-accusing-batfe-of-letting-guns-be-sold-that-may-have-been-used-in-the-murder-of-border-patrol-agent-brian-terry/
actually, I think it came to light after the Gabby Gifford shooting…but…I heard on Glenn’s radio program (today) that he did not know about it…he spoke with the President of the NRA over the air and he explained the situation…There is no way that Obama did not know about this…besides…THE BUCK STOPS WITH HIM…and…that’s just the way it is…THIS IS A REALLY BIG DEAL and we should stoke this fire till it is a BLAZE so that no one can deny it! NOW that it is a topic of discussion, do you suppose that Obama will make a public display of his “compassion” to the family of officer Terry?
If I’m not mistaken, I think the President of the NRA also implied that he felt that the release of these guns was more in line with a political posture that the administration was trying to take (by claim that the guns were sold in Arizona to the drug cartels knowingly by dealers) in order to support aggressive gun control that they are hoping to pass…
Report Post »grandmaof5
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 7:08pmNo, this is the Chicago way, never get your hands dirty, let some patsy take the fall and plead ignorance. That is the way he has run his politics from the getco. He is cunnning and takes orders well.
Report Post »BCNU
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 7:11pmBATFE is Department of Treasury…..Little Timmy Geithner’s name is not being mentioned as the top in the chain of command..
Report Post »Us Customs used to be Dept of Treasury and Immigration & Naturalization used be Dept of Justice….what Dept is ICE under????
Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 7:14pm@Showtime
Capt Binghamtin was on McHales Navy.
You are right, Clinton was down in Mexico claiming all these guns were coming from the US. Although they left out that out of, I believe, 17% of the traceable guns, those came from the US, and out of that over 70% were directly sold to the Mexican Govt.
Report Post »How they ended up in the Cartels hands, well as Sgt Shultz says “I know nothing…”
avenger
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 7:16pmnot shocking at all…part of the soros master plan to destroy the USA.owe bama is the trojan horse puppet…I keep asking where is the USA General Pinochet….there has to be at least one or 2 generals that are totally pissed watching the country being destroyed by clever radicals ! come on guys…how long are going to put up with this…….hey Blaze censors..let the reality hit you right in the face.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 7:17pmShowtime
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 6:39pm
Wasn’t Sgt. Shultz on McHales Navy?
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Nope it was Hogan’s Heros .. one of my dad’s favorite shows.
Report Post »restorehope
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 7:17pmObama is becoming the Teflon president. If he had his way, nothing would ever stick to him. If problems arise on his shift, it‘s either Bush’s fault or today’s excuse of “it’s a pretty big government with alot of moving parts” that he cannot be responsible for.
Enough already with passing the buck. He and Holder would certainly have known about something as controversial as this. The AFT would not have carried out such a potentially dangerous plan without approval from the top because of how it could backfire if things went south.
Sounds like a congressional investigation should be started to get to the bottom of this. They don‘t need Holder’s approval for that, not does he have the power to squelch it.
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 7:20pmDid you notice how Obama’s eyes kept blinking and he kept looking down? Indication of lying.
Eric Holder said that there were “concerns expressed by ATF agents about the way this operation was conducted.” WHEN did Holder know of the concerns?
Well, former attache, ATF, in Mexico City, Darren Gil threw Holder and the Director of ATF&E under the bus! He said that not only did the director (of ATF) know about it, the DOJ is aware of it. Note the present tense of what he said! If the head of ATF and Eric Holder knew about it, then Obama knew about it.
And I haven’t gotten to the other videos yet.
Report Post »APatriotFirst
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 7:23pmWhen was it that Obama said something about the guns in Mexico had been gotten from here?
Report Post »And Napolitano also. Was a few months or more ago? Think back………..
Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 7:25pmShowtime
Report Post »As I said in a post to Snow. Does anyone remember Iran/Contra. I don’t think Obama has a Lt Col North that will stand up and take one for the Pres.
Defender
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 7:28pmI doubt he cluelessness. This is an act of Treason!
Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 7:33pmJoe Conservative: “Exactly 338, he is pretty busy with the whole NCAA bracket thing though. Obama is a disaster. Look at how he’s handling the Middle East.”
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Yes and no. Hussein wanted Mubarak deposed and he got that accomplished – check! However, Hussein & Co. never dreamed the revolution would spread to countries with the REAL brutal dictators. Nobody predicted that could happen. When he gave that speech instigating the youth to revolt, he was addressing our youth, whom he has been wooing to join his civilian army (the unions).
His Plan B is strictly damage control, and requires walking a fine line between not alienating the Muslim world and stopping the civil wars that will affect our economy and his poll numbers (he doesn‘t give a rat’s @$$ about the killings or our welfare). That selfish goal, which runs contrary to the motives of any other POTUS, is practically impossible to achieve; so much so, that he has had to resort to extreme measures like bypassing Congress and handing us over to NATO.
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 7:39pmHERE’S THE DEAL:
(1) They are allowing illegals to cross the border by keeping them porous.
Report Post »(2) Obama & Co is anxious — salavating, in fact — to take our guns away from us.
(3) Obama & Co knows that the Latinos will protest anything against the U.S.
(4) So, if thousands (as the man said) of guns are shipped to Mexico, where even USICE agents are not allowed to carry a weapon, ARE WE ABOUT TO BE ATTACKED BY MEXICO ON OUR OWN SOIL?
(5) Or were the guns MEANT TO PROVIDE LEVERAGE TO TAKE OUR GUNS AWAY FROM US?
(6) The big question: WHAT IS THE END GAME?
Showtime
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 7:42pmThey got caught when the Mexican LEFT THE GUN WHEN HE KILLED the agent in Arizona! Had he not left the gun, no one in the American public sector would have kinown the difference!
Report Post »338lapua
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 7:44pmImpeach…..Convict…..Exile.
Report Post »BCNU
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 7:46pmOOOPS!!!!
Report Post »The ATF was transferred from Treasury to Justice in 2003…..my mistake…should have researched before posting. I left the working the borders in 1997.
kryptonite
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 7:48pmObama knows exactly what is going on, and I use present tense because it is part of his ONGOING plan (who’s going to stop it?) to fundamentally transform America.
Summarized in one sentence.
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 7:48pmATF Acting Director Kenneth E. Melson
Kenneth E. Melson was named as Acting Director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives by President Obama. He assumed the post on April 12, 2009.
Most recently, Mr. Melson served as the Director of the Executive Office for U.S. Attorneys, where he was responsible for administrative oversight of the 94 U.S. Attorneys Offices and for liaison between the U.S. Attorneys and other Federal agencies and Department of Justice (DOJ) components.
Mr. Melson is a graduate of the National Law Center at The George Washington University. After serving as a state prosecutor in Arlington County, Virginia, he joined the United States Attorney’s Office for the Eastern District of Virginia in 1983, becoming the First Assistant United States Attorney in 1986.
Mr. Melson is a co-chair of the Subcommittee on Forensic Science, Committee on Science of the National Science and Technology Council within the Executive Office of the President. He is a Past President of the American Academy of Forensic Sciences (AAFS) and in 2006, became Chair of the Council of Scientific Society Presidents. He currently represents DOJ as a board member of the American Society of Crime Laboratory Directors/Laboratory Accreditation Board (ASCLD/LAB), serves on the editorial board of the Journal of Forensic Sciences, on the Ethics Committee for the AAFS, and on the Advisory Council of the National Clearinghouse for Science, Technology and the Law at Stetson University College of Law.
Mr. Melson has been an adjunct professor at The George Washington University for over 30 years, teaching law and forensic science courses at both the law school and the Department of Forensic Sciences, and publishes in both scientific texts and legal journals.
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The head of the Phoenix, AZ Field Division is not “the director.”
William D. Newell
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Phoenix Field Division
Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 7:49pmShowtime:
Report Post »It goes back to what Clinton was trying to make a case for, Guns were going south to the Cartel. But when they actually looked at the facts, the majority of guns the Cartel use are coming from China, Pakistan, Russian. It is hard to get Automatic weapons from the US, easy to get them from SE Asia. But by trying to pin the blame to the US, Clinton was trying to pitch the idea that we need to lose our gun rights to protect Mexico. That is your end game, supply our “Enemy” and escalate violence. Plus it destabilizes a country directly on our border, thus allows “emergency” actions to be implemented and constitutional rules to be suspeneded. (Star Wars: Episode 3)
Just like the Republic fell, I see Obama trying to build the First United Empire of North America. He will of course, return all the emergency powers back, when the crisis is over.
Showtime
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 7:55pmHoly smokes! I tried to find a bio on the guy in charge of the Phoenix Field Division and found this “explosive piece in the WSJ!
Connect the dots and see if someone in the ATF was smuggling guns!
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123595012797004865.html
And are they trying to blame a gun show dealer in AZ for the appearance of the same kind of guns that the ATF was walking across?
Report Post »Desert Dog
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 8:02pmBut he sure knows where the golf courses are!
Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 8:11pmAvenger,
Report Post »Yeah, Reagan set back the commie agenda for the world several decades, and Pinochet did the same for Chile. He smashed every one of those Red roaches, and was vilified by the left for it till the day he died.
Anti_Spock
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 8:16pmActually it makes sense that BHO didn’t know. When you are President of the World (like he thinks he is), Mexico is merely a drone-state. Calderon a drone-puppet. And his appointed cronies have so much leeway they need not bother “the ONE” with petty details of a scam designed to undermine the 2nd amendment.
All Hail BHO… Idiot of the Planet.
Report Post »PeterThePainter
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 8:28pmQuite simple, the Government wants Gun control. They need to show how the devastation of smuggled weapons into Mexico will then require it. Maybe their intent was to have hundreds of Mexican‘s killed by the cartel’s….then say look….those are American weapons….we need to regulate much much much more and take all guns off the streets of America. So much for the Constitution….
Report Post »merton42
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 8:30pmIf this president knows nothing about this strategy, then next week I quit the trucking business and start BRAIN SURGERY!
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 8:34pm@BCNU
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 7:11pm
BATFE is Department of Treasury…..Little Timmy Geithner’s name is not being mentioned as the top in the chain of command..
Us Customs used to be Dept of Treasury and Immigration & Naturalization used be Dept of Justice….what Dept is ICE under????
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Under siege!
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement
Provides news, contact information, careers, and details about Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the largest investigative branch of the US Department of Homeland Security.
Feel safe now? (Napolitano!)
Report Post »mill
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 8:34pmIt is quite the act. Obama acts dumb and the public eats it up…just look at the Libya stuff!!
Report Post »Angry_Bird
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 8:43pmI wonder if Obama knows what ATF stands for?
Report Post »Packer-dad
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 8:48pmA bit of advice,start spending some time at the range,and look for brass,stock up on primers,I figured that one out in the 80′s
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 8:52pm@APatriotFirst
Report Post »Posted on March 25, 2011 at 7:23pm
When was it that Obama said something about the guns in Mexico had been gotten from here?
And Napolitano also. Was a few months or more ago? Think back………..
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BINGO! Busted!
He knew THEN!
kraphtsman
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 9:06pmOf course this incompetent, unqualified excuse for a President doesn’t know anything about this. He’s so inept and out of touch with what happens on SO many levels, there‘s little doubt he’s telling the truth. What a worthless, unworthy little person the “progressive” and “dependent” class elected. Time to take out the trash.
Report Post »dealer@678
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 9:27pmOsamba Bin Hussein is innocent. Michelle is guilty
Report Post »RedHerringoftheUnitedStates
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 9:45pmThis is much ado about nothing. I recommend that everybody pay attention to what REALLY matters in today’s news cycle! Why isn’t TheBlaze reporting on this? Have you people lost your mind?
Report Post »dealer@678
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 9:48pmThose aint collard greens Michelle is stuffing in those crates
Report Post »oldoldtimer
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 10:21pmHow long has this really been going on? How many of the gus they said came from the Us were procured with ATF knowledge. Letting 50 cals go to Meixco. What a bunch of brainless twits. All part of the Obama plan to destablize the border region.
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 10:31pmLets see,Obama sells guns to the drug dealers and then pushes for a gun ban based on Mexican drug dealers using American guns and its the NRA’s fault.
Report Post »Am I suppose to buy what these two bimbos have say?
oldwhiteguy
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 10:47pmThis President and Attorney General knew what they were doing, don’t let them off like they are stupid. Low IQ is not our problem, we truly have the Manchurian Candidate on our hands.
Report Post »Mil Mom
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 11:29pmResponding to reports that the Mexican government has complained that it told about the U.S. operation that allowed guns to illegally cross the international border, Obama said he didn’t inform Mexican President Felipe Calderon because he — the president of the United States — wasn’t informed either.
Ditching the old presidential moniker “The Buck Stops Here,” Obama responded that the U.S. government “a pretty big government” with “a lot of moving parts”
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“….a pretty big government with a lot of moving parts” {and growing constantly under Obama Care. Can you imagine once that bureaucracy takes full effect? This could easily be smuggled body parts for transplant!!!!
No other President has ever openly claimed that managing the government was tooooo much for him, (even Jimmy Carter?) Tell me, is incompetence grounds for impeachment? If not, this entire operation and it’s end results should well be grounds for throwing the whole crowd out! I WONDER WHO’LL TAKE ONE FOR THE GIPPER (sorry to the real Gipper!) THIS TIME AND FALL ON THE SWORD FOR TOTUS???!!!!!
independentvoteril
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 11:31pmwell they at least they didn’t blame BUSH.. YET.. I have to say this is of NO shock to me.. that it was OUR government that had a hand in arming them south of the border.. and that they were inept in keeping track of them.. it’s time people woke up.. GOVERNMENT has to many employees.. and to many departments.. and they have someone elected to watch over them that thinks BASKETBALL picks are the MOST important part of this day other than GOLF and VACATIONS..
Report Post »we-won-pa
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 11:32pmthe only diference is every body liked sgt Shultz.
Report Post »Mil Mom
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 11:36pmSomething tells me a kettle of fish is about to be cooking real soon, in all the rotton smell of it to fill the rooms.
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Report Post »Would that be {Dead Fish} and is this the smell of a former Presidential adviser, who now runs Chicago and needed to settle the score with some ppl in the Adminis. ?
Just wondering?
Mil Mom
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 11:57pm@restorehope
Posted on March 25, 2011 at 7:17pm
Obama is becoming the Teflon president. If he had his way, nothing would ever stick to him. If problems arise on his shift, it‘s either Bush’s fault or today’s excuse of “it’s a pretty big government with alot of moving parts” that he cannot be responsible for.
Enough already with passing the buck. He and Holder would certainly have known about something as controversial as this. The AFT would not have carried out such a potentially dangerous plan without approval from the top because of how it could backfire if things went south.
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Report Post »It’s March 2011 and you STILL BELIEVE THAT BO IS THE TOP OF THIS GOVERNMENT!!!! WHEW!!! Are there still some out there who haven’t got it yet? ((( POTUS now stands for “PUPPET OF THE UNITED STATES!! ))) If you want to get to the top of this government that’s TOTUS, SO KEEP CLIMBING, WHILE POTUS SHOOTS SOME HOOPS AND WAITS FOR HIS BLACKBERRY TO CALL HIM!!
gkrausmann
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 12:02amNo one will believe this. That’s the problem: conservatives refuse to believe the insidiousness of the progressives.
Report Post »restorehope
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 12:40am@Mil Mom
Report Post »Enlighten me: TOTUS?
silentwatcher
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 1:01amAfter reading http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123595012797004865.html discovered by SHOWTIME,,,,,it became clear why the weapons in Mexico were ‘permitted’ to be sold and distributed in Mexico.
The progressives WANT as many U.S. guns to be discovered in Mexico, so as to appear the gun business and sales inside the U.S. has no controls. They want to blame the killings in Mexico on the U.S. gun laws being too lax. With that lie being ‘believed’ by enough citizens and politicians, the POTUS and his cronies can dip into the existing gun laws and put serious, serious controls on ANY gun that can be CONSIDERED an assault weapon. This illegal and underhanded operation is a different tactic to come after our legal gun rights. They have abandoned the frontal attack,,,,and are coming at us from the side.
What is appalling, is that people in Mexico are dying because of the kind of operation the POTUS and fellow conspirators are conducting. Dying. That includes law enforcement officers in addition to U.S. citizens. Obama won’t order an investigation, Holder won’t say anything, nothing will be done unless much ‘noise’ is made by the U.S. citizens and concerned and law abiding congressmen.
It does appear that some ATF agents and other federal law officers have expressed true concern about the tactics that have been ramroded down their throats. I do believe that if the silent gag-order given to all ATF agents is exposed and evidence about the illegal operation being conducted in Mexico, there will be sufficient testimony from the concerned ATF staffing to reveal the details for the illegal operation. I say again,,,,illegal. A solid and honest investigation WILL reveal how high the orders came from. There will be no denials. There SHOULD be criminal charges made. People died from an illegal operation,,,,U.S. citizens and Mexican citizens.
If this goes silent, you have another topic to label as a ‘conspiracy.’ We know how and why conspiracies are created. Don’t let Holder head the investigation,,,,in fact, a restraining order should be imposed on Holder and Obama to stay away from the investigation until it is concluded and the public informed.
Report Post »silentwatcher
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 1:03amAnd by the way,,,,,plausible deniability will not work for Obama and Holder. Enough information is out there to show Obama and Holder knew about the illegal Mexican gunrunning.
Report Post »silentwatcher
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 1:05amRegarding the current POTUS,,,,,it feels like we have another Nixon and Johnson in office running wild.
Report Post »brliantedj
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 1:32amJust swallow that we have the most transparent PeeBO in HISTORY!!! And we’ll tell you via MSNBC if you need to know more. You silent sheep.
Report Post »123gone
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 2:50amFor someone who wanted his own private army – this could be a way of arming it. For someone who wants to be a Dictator, the use Mexican drug cartels to act as agents against the American people sounds ambitious, but not out of the question. Our southern boarder has been kept open for some reason.
Report Post »Perhaps this concept is too far out in left field …Maybe.
Jackers
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 6:36amHow about securing our border? The more secure our southern border, the less chance of guns traveling back and forth… Not to mention gang members, drugs and potential terrorists!
Can we survive another year and a half of “Hope and Change We Can Believe In”?
Report Post »Stuck_in_CA
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 7:58amAn NRA hit piece! How biased and transparent can they be?
This covert operation is beyond ridiculous. It’s treasonous, what the alphabet agencies have done! Putting MANY people’s lives at risk like this.
UNBELIEVABLE! SHAME!
Report Post »Wolf
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 8:30amROFLMBO- LaPeeirre and his boys club concerned about this… uh-huh… that‘s why it’s so prominently displayed on the cover of this month’s American Rifleman– NOT! When asked to discuss this with the little o, NRA declined the invite and Gun Owners of America accepted and told him they wanted to talk about running guns.
Report Post »NRA is a clueless boys club out covering its ass now. If Beck swallows what NRA tells him, he’ll lose his own credibility. Check the fax, Beck, don‘t tak eyour buddy’s word for it.
yippeya
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 9:32amOf course he knew! So did Holder. There was not enough “evidence” of US guns in Mexico, so the “helped” it along. ATF has to justifie its existence, besides burning down religious compounds of people they don’t agree with, to get more funding, so they could send more guns, to get more funding. Get it??
Report Post »exdem
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 9:54amThe ends justifies the means. If Obamao appears stupid and acts like a bumbling inexperienced politician, it creates a better perception for the public than his true intentions.
Report Post »fatjack
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 11:34amrwsasinger
Report Post »A once-a-year water boarding of every elected official in a controlled environment might finally bring out the truth regarding many questions the American people have about what they do and don’t know
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Best idea I read on this site.
nosycophant
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 11:40amI think I would deny something like this myself.
Report Post »gman4691
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 12:52pmObama: “I didn’t know because the day this operation was agreed upon and implemented, I was taking that day off playing golf.”
Report Post »thegrassroots
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 1:23pmLIAR! And, ARM Our Border Agents!
Report Post »Devil Dog 7175
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 2:03pmJust another Libraturd Gun Grab Plot…. Plain and simple.
Report Post »WIjoyzie
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 2:57pmOf course he didn’t know… he’s either too busy swinging a golf club, working out the brackets or flying off to exotic vacations with the family. Or perhaps as the Geico commercial says: “What‘re you livin’ under a rock?
Report Post »tomx1138
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 3:29pmJJ Walker DYNAMITE The skinny brother from good times
Report Post »Wolf
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 10:02pmJust as clueless as LaPierre and those CBS bimbos.
Report Post »oldoldtimer
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 11:20pmNixon denied also. But then we found the truth. Then he was gone, gone, gone.
Report Post »Parnell3rd
Posted on March 27, 2011 at 2:15amThe President,DOJ and entire staff is lying. THEY knew what was going on.
Report Post »boston dotty
Posted on March 27, 2011 at 7:14amof course obama knew about it , the main aim was to crush the second amendment ,to take away all guns from Americans (for their own safty of course) then when Americans can no longer defend them selves ,think what happens then .
Report Post »weeblewacker1
Posted on March 27, 2011 at 2:45pmhmm i wonder if the current governor of AZ. knew about this?didn’t see anything about that.now why is that? is it because of it being a republican? and we all know about secret arms deals trading weapons for…eerr never mind!
DirectlyUnPCman
Posted on March 28, 2011 at 11:44amHe is the smartest, most compitent, strongest President this country has ever seen. Hahah Ok…next.
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