Obama Immediately Calls For Tax Code Reform: Wealthy & Corporations Must Pay ‘Fair Share’
- Posted on August 2, 2011 at 2:27pm by
Billy Hallowell
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President Barack Obama says the emergency bill Congress passed to prevent a government default is just the first step to ensuring the country lives within its means.
While the bill successfully made its way through both houses of Congress, liberals and conservatives, alike, have expressed dislike for many of its tenets. The Globe and Mail perfectly captures the negativity that accompanies the bi-partisan agreement:
The compromise deal deeply angered both conservative Republicans and liberal Democrats. Many Republicans contended the bill still would cut too little from federal spending; many Democrats said much too much. Still, Republican lawmakers supported the compromise, 174-66, while Democrats split, 95-95.
President Obama agrees that the bill is imperfect. He addressed the nation this afternoon shortly after the Senate passed the bill to raise the debt ceiling and avert a potentially catastrophic default.
Speaking in the Rose Garden, Obama said lawmakers still need to find a balanced approach to reducing the deficit that includes some adjustments to Medicare and reforming the tax code so the wealthy pay more. Watch his full speech, below:
In addressing his stance on the wealthy, he said:
“It also means reforming our tax code so the wealthiest Americans and biggest corporations pay their fair share and it means getting rid of taxpayer subsidies to oil and gas companies and tax loopholes that help billionaires pay a lower tax rate than teachers and nurses.”
It is this comment — “fair share” — that some have begun to question. What does the president mean when he asks upper-income Americans to pay their fair share? Read The Blaze‘s Becket Adams’ take on what this could mean. Last week, economist and political expert Thomas Sowell also weighed and took particular issue with the phrase, writing:
President Obama says that he only wants the wealthiest Americans to pay their “fair share.” But he says zilch about just what that fair share is, or even how to determine it.
Is the “fair share” of the top 10 percent of income-earners 20 percent of all taxes? 40 percent? 60 percent?…
This is another blank check that Obama wants. “Fair share” in plain English means “more,” regardless of how large a share of all income taxes is already being paid by a fraction of the population, while nearly half pay no income taxes at all.
The Washington Post’s Jennifer Rubin, unimpressed with Obama’s address this afternoon, writes the following:
An unsmiling President Obama, alone at a podium in the Rose Garden, with only the press corps present, delivered the equivalent of a campaign speech after Senate passage of the debt-ceiling bill. He sounded, as is his wont these days, defensive…
He touted the room still left in the budget for more domestic “investment.” He insisted that he’d get his “balanced approach” with plenty of tax hits to “billionaires and oil companies.”
Preceding the Senate vote, the House easily approved the bill on Monday. Beforehand, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi captured the mixed feelings coming from both sides of the aisle when she said:
“I’m not happy with it. But I’m proud of some of the accomplishments in it. That‘s why I’m voting for it.”
On the whole, budget experts said that the agreement was a step in the right direction. But, most also agreed that the actions being taken aren‘t enough to truly tackle America’s fiscal mess. Regardless, the White House says Obama will sign the bill as soon as it lands on his desk.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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Comments (528)
sWampy
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 2:43pmOh good God, I just saw the democrats split 95/95 on this mess, while 174/66 republicans did, the republicans will get all the blame, damn morons, if they were going to pass it, they should have made 190 democrats vote for it, while less than 60 republicans did, so 90% of the blame for the failure could fall on the democrats, this is going to fail miserably.
Report Post »Jaycen
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 2:46pmI can’t even follow what you just said. Keep voting Republibot, though. Groupthink works.
Report Post »tifosa
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 2:53pmThe debt ceiling should have been raised without this teapackage~ like it has been 74 times since 1962.
Report Post »redbone007
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 2:56pmObama’s ideal of tax reform….no more home interest deduction.
Report Post »sWampy
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 2:58pmTypical liberal, admit they have not clue, then start name calling, brilliant, quite brilliant.
Report Post »NJD
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 2:58pmWhen will the “entitlement” “welfare leaches” start paying their fair share instead of sucking the rest of America dry? Answer that Obama. I want to hear a reporter ask that the next time Obama runs his mouth about the rich paying their fair share.
Report Post »sWampy
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 3:02pmThe other 74 times we hadn’t been told, if you raise it, we will screw your poor and middle class by making interest rates so high you can’t afford your homes or cars, make your dollars so worthless you can’t buy food to feed your children, while making rich bankers, foreign investors, and wall street tycoons trillions.
Report Post »Obama_Sham
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 3:07pm@NJD
“When will the “entitlement” “welfare leaches” start paying their fair share instead of sucking the rest of America dry?”
You know, as well as I do, that those welfare leeches like TIFOSA, JZS, ERABIN, OLDPHOTO, ENCINOM, and MONICNE will never pay their fair share…
Report Post »tifosa
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 3:25pmO_S, impressive display! You clearly have the most reliable of sources!
Report Post »Obama_Sham
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 3:28pmTIF… I only call them I like see them… Sorry if the truth hurts…
Report Post »biohazard23
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 3:47pmObama_Sham, just remember that TinkerFosa is a little fairy which means that she and all that she squawks about are nothing more than make-believe fantasies, just like everything else in a liberal’s warped sense of perception.
Report Post »tifosa
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 3:55pmAww, shucks, thanx. :^)
Report Post »Centralsville
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 2:43pmKeep spreading the misery Obama, that’s what communism does, spread the misery. How did this freeom hating, America hating fool get to lead this country. Shows how far we have deteriorated. I am middle class and pay taxes and I know you are coming for more Odumbass.
Report Post »Goodgriefgeezlouise
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 3:07pmThe campaigning is on again!..Take from the rich and give to the poor..Robin Hood is back..Or should I say Obama is back in the hood?..Never mind…
What he refuses to admit?..If the economy would just get a little better then more people would buy more goods and more people would be paying taxes..and of course less people would be collecting unemployement ..Right now it appears we are at a point where there are too many people on the government payroll and too many people getting taxpayer money from unemployement..That leaves a small portion of people working and supporting all this mess..So what happens when the rich has no more to give?..I guess then Obama will have redistributed to his satisfaction..
The Republicans have a great opportunity to explain all of this clearly to the American people in a way where no presidential propaganda will hide the truth..I hope 2012 is the year for America..because 2011 has been pretty crappy..jmo
Report Post »cloudsofwar
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 3:16pmthe bleading heart liberals elected this commie because of his race. they wanted to elect the first black prez. plus you had the 47% who do not pay fed income tax. and don’t forget that some illegals voted for him. and GOD knows who banked rolled this commie. but we would not have this commie for prez if it wasn’t for the “ i want to vote for the first black prez” dumb ass.
Report Post »jzs
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 3:17pmHow about the amount the richest paid in taxes during the Reagan presidency? Wouldn’t that be fair?
Report Post »desertspeaks
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 3:26pmwhy is it that those who pay no taxes are allowed to vote for their TAX SUPPORTED benefits?? ie public housing, food stamps etc etc.. shouldn’t ONLY those of us who are supporting the sponges of society, be allowed to vote how much of OUR money we want STOLEN from us for the benefit.. oh wait!?! did i just answer my own question??? “STOLEN” yup.. thieves are thieves, it’s all they know, and besides, why work when you can have the government STEAL hard earned money from the producers of society and GIVE IT AWAY to those who produce nothing, have not earned it, do NOT deserve it,.. all because they allow the unproductive segment of society vote, lobby and harangue their way into my wallet via government edict.. yeah that’s fair, right???
Report Post »hauschild
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 3:28pmThe first reasonable tax increase should go towards those that currently pay no federal income taxes; if we want to be fair, and all.
Report Post »70S_KIDS_FIGHTING_SOCIALISM
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 3:35pm@JZS
Report Post »This is all about killing small businesses. They never say we will give small businesses the exemption, no it is GIANT HUGE BIG corporations like GE that have been strong armed into doing their evil bidding. The commie unions who control Obama want a dictator like control of the working place. It is much easier for them to form communist unions in GIANT HUGE BIG corporations like GE than a small business owner. Just like Lord of the Rings once they have them they will smite them.
TEA!!!
AvengerK
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 3:47pmObama’s problem is that he has a record now. He can longer vote “present” and hide in the shadow of the Senate. Obama earlier this year proposed a budget with NO spending cuts that increased spending…sorry..“investing” by 3.7 trillion dollars. He’s a joke. The community organizer (read: trouble stirrer) only has classwarfare in his bag of tricks for his perpetual campaign. Here’s to Darrell Issa putting “Fast and Furious” squarely on Obama’s lap by the end of the year.
Report Post »Bluefish49
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 3:54pmKiss that yacht goodbye John Kerry….
Report Post »BCNU
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 3:59pmThe communists told/warned us…..
“Your children’s children will live under communism.
Report Post »You Americans are so gullible.
No, you won’t accept Communism outright; but we’ll keep feeding you small doses of Socialism until you will finally wake up and find that you already have Communism.
We won’t have to fight you; WE’LL SO WEAKEN YOUR ECONOMY, until you fall like overripe fruit into our hands.”
Nikita Khrushchev, 1959
AnnMarie
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 4:06pmHow about while doing that you concentrate on the 51 per cent of people who are paying nothing at all as well?
Report Post »tifosa
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 4:07pmCurious, is it Beck or Rush who promotes the whole “50% don’t pay taxes” meme?
Report Post »TIME4CHOOSING
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 4:08pm@JVS
Are you in this video?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2YhfucachM
Has anyone ever told you that it was a BAD thing to steal!
Obviously not. Hey, at least you and Obama share the same view on theft.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRRsfCD1Bh0
Just in case you still can’t comprehend this, maybe this will help ( I doubt it, once a thief always a thief ).
To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, the guarantee to everyone the free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it.
Thomas Jefferson, letter to Joseph Milligan, April 6, 1816
Report Post »LadyLiberty
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 4:08pmI hope that especially includes GE! Now they are sending more jobs over seas to China…maybe Obama will agree to taxing those who work for American Companies…I would vote for that…pay their “fair share” right???
Report Post »vtxphantom
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 4:15pmWhen the rich don’t have any more money for taxes they will come after you, because government needs more. After they run out of money to take, we all sit in poverty. Trickle down poverty. Impeach obama!
Report Post »seljo1701
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 4:24pm@Goodgriefgeezlouise
Robin Hood stole from the *rich sheriff* (of Nottingham) to give BACK to the citizens from whom he stole it through un-authorized and invalid taxation. So, though I believe Obama sees himself as Robin Hood, he is really the Sheriff.
Report Post »Jus-sayin
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 4:36pmSomewhere in Kenya, a village is missing its idiot
Report Post »Patrick in AZ
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 4:37pmThe bottom 50% should start paying their “fair share” – they do nothing but take. No more tax subsidies for the moocher class. If we raise taxes on corporations (or businesses in general), just understand that means WE WILL PAY THOSE TAXES in the form of higher prices for goods & services.
What we really need to do is enact The Fair Tax. Then everyone will pay taxes based on their individual consumption. It will not matter where their money comes from, earnings, investments, black market, lottery, inheritance, or dealing drugs, they will pay as they spend.
Report Post »Jaycen
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 4:40pm@tifosa
43.4% of Americans pay 0% of income taxes. That‘s your own Federal Government’s numbers, twit.
5% pay 54.25%
10% pay 64.89%
25% pay 82.9%
50% pay 96.03%
The top 1% pay more than 10 times what the bottom 50% pay. Who’s not paying their fair share?
Before you engage in class warfare, you might want to have some ammunition, douche.
Report Post »Teaparty-grammy
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 4:51pmTranslation: “Whew! We got this debt-ceiling thing shoved back until after the election–now let’s get back to redistributing the wealth.”
He must think we are REEEEALLLY stupid, if he thinks that we believe “taxing oil companies and corporations” won’t cost the rest of us anything. When oil companies and corporations get higher taxes, they raise the price of their products and services to pay them. WHO do you think is going to have to pay that tax? Why, the poor and middle class, of course–in the form of higher prices for everything they have to buy, like gas for their cars, groceries, insurance, etc. Companies have to hire whole ROOMS full of people to calculate and make sure they are collecting and sending in the right amount of income withholding, Social Security and Medicare taxes that they are forced to collect AT THEIR OWN EXPENSE, then remit to the government. How much do you think THAT adds to the price of everything you buy? If the average person had any CLUE how much is added to the price of every single thing they buy, just to pay for excessive govt. regulation, paperwork and tax reporting, you would see a revolution in this country, for sure! But the Sheeple just keep on drinking the Kool-Aid and believing they are getting a pass because Obama is going to “sock it to the rich”. IDIOTS.
Report Post »aesaac
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 4:55pmA charlatan (also called swindler or mountebank) is a person practicing quackery or some similar confidence trick in order to obtain money, fame or other advantages via some form of pretense or deception.
Report Post »riverdog1
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 4:56pmwhy do you all love the fact that the very rich and corperations pay a smaller percentage than all us middle class? fair share, look up the words. the dems arn’t asking for your pals the rich and corperations to give all the money to the goverment. how bout they give the same percentage as me. 41%, heck i would love if they paid 20%. but the don’t. so we have to make up the surplus.
Report Post »loriann12
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 5:03pm@Jaycen
You go! that’s the figures I got. I think the poorest might be ok on getting back what they put in, but they get back MORE than they put in. There’s food stamps, welfare (aren’t you allowed so much income and still get welfare?), Earned Income Tax Credit, etc. Make it to where the poverty level gets back only what they put in.
Report Post »loriann12
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 5:06pm@riverdog1
Big corporations have to pay employees and buy raw materials. If they can get by with paying their employees out of their own pockets (thus cutting into their profits) why can’t Congress do the same thing? Did you know congressmen get a $500,000 to employ up to 18 people? How is that fair? I never got a job from a poor man.
Report Post »Jaycen
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 5:07pm@riverdog1
BECAUSE YOU ARE WRONG, SIR. See my comment posted a couple above yours. You have absolutely no clue what you’re saying. You should stop listening to other people, especially on TV, and start performing your own internet searches. Don’t get your data from blogs. Go to the original source, in this case the US Federal Government.
Report Post »Gold Coin & Economic News
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 5:13pm“It also means reforming our tax code so the wealthiest Americans and biggest corporations pay their fair share and it means getting rid of taxpayer subsidies to oil and gas companies”
Boy, Barry never leaves this message does he? This kind of rhetoric is EXACTLY why the budget debate had to go on for months instead of coming to a real solution and actually cutting spending, not just cutting the rate of increase.
The rich already Do pay their fair share, they pay WAY above their fair share. See:
Report Post »http://www.usgoldcoinauctions.com/gold-coin-blog/2011/07/the-rich-do-pay-their-fair-share/
Teaparty-grammy
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 5:19pmI am old enough that I have lived through quite a few different administrations, and in my experience, when the Democrats start mouthing off about “socking it to the rich”, the guy who makes $19,500 a year suddenly discovers that in the govt. tax collector’s opinion, he is “rich”. I remember when LBJ was going to “sock it to the rich”. We made about $15,000 that year, and would have broke even on the taxes we had already paid in–if not for the SUR-TAX LBJ sockied to us at the end of the year–we ended up having to pay in additional tax at the end of the year, and really had to scrape to come up with the money. Go figure–us being so rich and all, back then, you would have thought we’d have had no problem ponying up that extra tax. This is how Democrats work. If you are a middle-class wage earner and a Democratic president starts talking about “making the rich pay more taxes”, you better hang onto your wallet–because he is going to have his hand in it very soon!
Report Post »joyfulgiver
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 5:21pmThis coming from a man who is in the top 80 of the Congressional Net Worth Club. Funny how there are current politicians that are extreme millionaires yet they still take a salary. Why, if they love this country so dang much aren’t they working for FREE? They might do a better job if their service was volunteered. Think about our Military, fighting the good fight to keep America FREE, doing it for pennies and these people in Government get the big bucks. Something is definitely wrong here.
Report Post »MODEL82A1
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 5:31pmJZS, Hilarious that you Leftys are suddenly quick to bring up Reagan policies. In the 80′s he NEVER did a single thing right. Now we’re supposed to believe that you WANT to revisit ANY of his policies. Why not go back to the Daily Kos (where they are, by the way, RIPPING this deal as a HUGE Obama loss)
Report Post »HKS
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 5:35pmWell, rich folks don’t pay taxes, that’s why the tax code book is thousands of pages long. So, the folks that aren‘t rich enough will pay the taxes because they can’t afford to dodge them. Same old crap. Middle and upper middle will get the bill and the bottom half gets a free ride at zero. So if you are a working guy, busting your butt with two job,s get ready it’s you. Wouldn’t want to give that lower half any reason to work.
Report Post »Shiroi Raion
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 5:41pmI see his game. He got through the debt ceiling debate relatively unscathed since he did nothing but make one proposal that was so ridiculous that not one Democrat would vote for it. Once in a while he’d pull his head out of his ar$e and say, “Act like adults” while pointing to the Tea Party and Republicans and say, “It’s your fault.” Now he feels safe enough to go back to crying class warfare and of course his little chorus of Odumbots will join in the class warfare song and dance. His campaign’s started. Until November 2012, we’re going to hear this song and dance donkey show.
Report Post »Right of Glenn
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 5:52pmWhat I find interesting is that the first threat made by BHO is that Medicare and Social Security checks may be delayed or not sent, Is it me that misunderstands this or him? I mean, don’t those entities have their own Tax Base? Social Security is a separate tax on the whole of your Gross income up to $66,000 and Medicare I believe is a flat % rate based on your age. these amounts do not get adjusted to your AGI they are taken off the GROSS amount of income. Then you pay your FICA based on the allusive AGI (Adjusted Gross Income) which doesn’t take into account that your pocket was just picked by SS and MC, only YOUR dependents and Deductions go toward calculating your AGI. They NEVER look at themselves to find the cure for a problem, it is always US that must fork over more. Think about cutting foreign aid to all those countries that don’t like us anyhow. Like when we drop everything to come to the aid of Earthquake and Tsunami victims. Where in the HELL were all these thriving Communist Countries when these disasters happened??? Probably trying to find a way to benefit from our largesse by playing the victim too. Any taxes on consumables is a TAX INCREASE on Consumers! WTFU People. The Government is the Problem! There are 536 ELECTED Officials whom state that they want to end Poverty, They are OMNIPOTENT in setting policy to achieve this and we get nothing but class warfare and race baiting.
Report Post »Right of Glenn
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 6:07pmThey Declare WAR on something and then set Tzars or Czars on the case to control it. They, in an effort to guarantee their future employment and the necessity of their office, pit side against side in order to perpetuate the problem. Look at the ATF giving guns to the Drug Gangs in Mexico and then saying that our weapons are ending up in the hands of Drug Gangs. Trying to legitimize thwarting the Second Amendment. Look at the War on Drugs. There is a multitude of sources that expose the US government as the most prolific trafficker of drugs in the World. Look up Col. Beau Gritz and his campaign against Richard Armitage and the Golden Triangle of Asia. Why? What about the 60+ year WAR on Poverty? The percentage of people who can be classed as at or below the poverty line has increased since WAR was declared. Are these people in Washington Stupid or are We for not holding them accountable? The 2010 mid term election doesn’t seem to have impacted any of them, which probably means they have something else planned for us on the lines of 911! Our Economy is heading for a Cliff and Washington just set the Freaking Cruise Control.
Report Post »Spock
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 6:09pmWhat about your GE pals that’s making billions and pay (0) in taxes???
Report Post »Right of Glenn
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 6:29pm@Spock- Who do you think was one of the Largest Contributors to BHO’s Campaign and whom, through their Media Arm,(read NBC and their subsid’s) play the adoring lap dog of the Liberal agenda. they don’t pay taxes because their Puppet run the house that sets the rules. And they pass a spending bill that contains Ear Marks or Addendum that allows one entity or sector to Legally claim a break on their taxes but not to their Competitors. Did Pratt and Whitney or News Corp or Amana or any of the other vile big companies get the same considerations on their taxes. No, They didn’t! GE has a Special place in the BHO scheme. It gets the Bennys of tax breaks and actually received money from the US Taxpayer in the form of refunds of about half the amount that they should have paid. (read that as NO taxes paid but here is a refund for being a good sport.)
Report Post »Lets not forget that the 15th, 16th and 17th amendment were never ratified by Congress. Just repealing the 17th would go along way to saving this country. Once the US Senators were Selected by their Respective State Legislatures, they would do the States business and not be corrupt 6 year Representatives. Get an Ejumacation and search this stuff out yourownselfeses! It is Criminal what they are doing!
Terry908
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 6:33pmOborrow never got the memo: We are out of money; future generations have already been robbed of the American dream thanks to decades of failed kick-the-cost-can down the road to our kids and grandkids. O ran up $3.7 trillion in deficits in 2.5 yrs. Bush’s total for 8 (eight) yrs was $2.7 trillion. When the worst President in history is ousted in 2012 he still won’t get the message. O’s legacy: “He never had a plan except to spend money far beyond our budget.”
Report Post »ErinLindsey
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 6:44pmWhat is this “fair share” crud he keeps talking about? I’m poor, and disabled. I cant pay my fair share, so one of those wealthy people out there is apparently doing it for me. Not exactly fair to them. (I’m trying to get to the point where I can work and pay taxes. I’m bored and need something to do and making money for myself would be a nice thing to be able to do)
Obama seems to have a weird obsession with punishing the wealthy. Of course, he’s going to be the one deciding what the definition of “wealthy” is. I’m betting they end up going after everyone. Rich, middle class, and the poor like me. I bet that if I’m able to eventually get a job, they’re going to be taking a lot of my money thru taxes, just like they’ll be doing to the “wealthy”.
Report Post »frodis
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 8:34pmThe poor and lower class who get their 700 bucks a year on tax returns deserve to pay as well. Oh and the medicaid moms.
Report Post »Classical Liberal
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 10:20pm@JZS; oh yeah for sure! We can also pray those cuts just promised actually happen very much like the Reagan-era spending cuts the democrats back then promised (lied to) America.
There are solid arguments that you could make that many without their heads shoved up their asses would be open to, but once again you fail to argue the right things and come across as one more liberal troll on the internet.
Report Post »Whostolemypig
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 11:08pmObama’s 2012 campaign slogan is “Hands in the air, this is a stick up”
Report Post »TheBMT
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 12:08amHe should just admit that we should have a 100% tax on everybody and you get to have the rest back on what they deem necessary for what you need.
Report Post »G.W. Dobbs
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 6:41amNo where in the CONSTITUTION or in Written LAWS is the term “Fair Share” used; taxes are paid based on LAW, not what some politico says is “Fair”. Besides, who gets to decide what is “fair”? Them; those lying, stealing, thieving people who have gotten THEIR money from the people who actually WORK for their money. And they have the gall to speak of being “fair”.
Report Post »old white guy
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 7:14amobama is like many other commies. he tells the big lie and keeps on telling it. too bad the msm couldn’t be shut down that would sure cut the message a bit. free speech by the msm is killing america.
Report Post »Boethius
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 7:17amThink of this debt “deal” as something to buy time. The battle may be lost but the war is yet to be won: the war is the 2012 election to replace the big spending ideologue. Clinton was able to balance the budget because businesses were doing well (the dot.com boom) and were paying taxes. This notion that corporations don’t pay taxes is ridiculous. Those that don’t are the exception.
Report Post »Libby Tarian
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 9:14amCorrection:
Robin Hood never stole from the rich…he stole from the politicians, the ruling class who were taxing people to death. Please read the story. He gave the money back to the people. Who do you think pays taxes? Who do you think gets rich off of taxes? I would say the people getting rich off my taxes are the Politicians.
Report Post »Viet Vet
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 1:23pm@Boethius
Klinton was doing well, because the republicans took over Congress two years after he was elected and upon taking over Congress stated that their primary intention was to balance the budget, notwithstanding that the democraps had torpedoed the Balanced Budget Amendment. Remember that the Dot.com bust was what put the economy on the downturn and the stock market to crash in Klinton’s last year in office.
Report Post »citizens circle
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 3:23pmThey must not understand the basics of operating a business, any taxes that companies, small, medium or large all pass these taxes and fees on to the people to pay, do the Dems – progressives think this extra new tax comes out of the CEO’s or board members money, the “rich” won’t actually pay out of their pockets, it will come out of our pocket when we buy their products. The Corp. are actually the middle man, they just collect more of our money for the Fed.
Report Post »George
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 4:03pmWhat ever happened to drill baby drill?? Obama, with his signature could put thousands,
if not millions to work. And gas prices would go down, energy prices would go down too
making it easier and cheaper to produce things. Everything requires energy and Obama
is what’s holding up our energy independence and keeping prices high.
Obama is always putting it on others to do things and then he decides if he wants to
Report Post »do them. He shows no initiative. What a lame president.
Susan Harkins
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 4:48pmAnd Obama doesn’t sound like a Communist, you guys?
Come on!
He STINKS of Communism!
Report Post »ClassWarFare
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 6:21amDo you white supremacists think you’re better than the communists or jihadists or even the pedophiles in the Vatican? One thing’s for certain, you won‘t be welcomed in the ’hood’, so you better bring your homeboys they call the police. You see that black fist on my avatar? Imagine two dozen sets of fists, beating you down to a pulp on the street.
Speaking of Avatar, you people are exactly like the earthlings who tried to occupy the planet. But then there were conquered in the end because many of the planet’s indigenous species united together to conquer the threat. That’s what will happen to many of you racist bastards, mark my words.
Report Post »Beckofile
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 9:22amHere’s an idea on FAIRNESS??? Raise everyones rates to what the rich are paying? It would be the fairest thing of all. And just a side note, Corps don’t pay taxes! The ones they do are a cost of doing buisiness and figured into every ******** cup of $5 coffee.
Report Post »banjarmon
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 2:43pmWE the People got shafted AGAIN….2012 BO is OUT!!
Report Post »YesNdeedie
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 3:07pmI do believe my list of those to remove is quite a bit larger than just Bobummer.
Report Post »jimjonjr
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 4:08pmWhy? Because they didn‘t take more of my 77 year old mother’s Social Security? What ginormous cost are you hiding, Banjarman, that you have to take by force my mom’s Social Security?
Report Post »13th Imam
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 4:15pmHave your mother take a pill. Barry will advise the Death Panel that she is no longer needed, then PFFFFFT
Report Post »tifosa
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 4:27pmIf we get a Republican president, she won’t have Social Security to take Jim :P
Report Post »Jaycen
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 4:38pm@jimjonjr
HEY! First of all, you and grammy have a gun to my head forcing me to participate in your rogue program. I wouldn’t force you into it, why do you want to force me to participate? That’s not freedom, pal.
I pay $244 per month into Socialist Security. Your grammy takes out $1,200 per month. HOW IN THE WORLD DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?
Sheesh. Why do you kick your own grammy out to the curb? Why not help her yourself? Why have you foisted your indolent relatives onto the rest of us?
Report Post »riverdog1
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 7:16pmterry your math is wrong, GW started with about 5 trillion and ran it up to 11 trillion. thats almost six trillion. the biggest spenders in history are 1.GW. 2.Reagan. . reagan spent his way out of trouble and GW just made his own trouble by spending more than anyone in history.
Report Post »riverdog1
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 7:38pmerin..
sound like you pals here would call you a slacker. yeah us middle class is paying for you to sit around and on this site and post. way to suck the goverment teat erin.
jtssrx
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 2:42pmThis deal is just another step in the direction of default. these idiots on the news and in the media don’t fricken get it. Now Obama wants more of your money to give to people who don’t want to earn their own. Sad sad sad times we live in
Report Post »Sherryb50
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 2:51pmOh I think they get it. Its all in their plans.
Report Post »SimpleTruths
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 3:15pmYeah! It’s time we took from the poor and gave to the rich, that’s the American Way.
Report Post »Obama_Sham
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 3:32pmYeah! It’s time Simpletruths got a job and started paying taxes…
Report Post »Jaycen
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 3:35pmSIMPLETON
Your rhetoric is sophomoric at best. I hope you at least understand that your freedom to spout your nonsense is a direct consequence of our great country’s existence.
Report Post »MIBUGNU2
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 4:27pmBO is like a Pitbull, won’t let the rich guy thing alone..WOW !!
Report Post »Think there’s something they are not telling us, sounds like
he needs extra money really bad.. maybe he could donate
some of the money he is going to make at his B-day bash to
cover his azz……..
Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 4:43pmExactly! Who exactly gets to choose which “rich” people have to pay their “fair” share?
Report Post »Do you think anyone in Hollywood or sports is going to? My bet is that it will only be businesses that are not in the man-child’s pocket.
Rajabear1
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 8:58pmFYI-Santorum can only have an opinion, he is a former Senator, but point taken, I also would like to know his stance on what has transpired over the last couple of months as this debt issue has evolved.
Report Post »ErinLindsey
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 12:53am@riverdog What I didnt mention. I’m not on any government assistance. I live with my parents. My parents are taking care of me. (I’m actually helping my dad take care of my mom, who is not doing well in a cognitive sense because of a TBI) My dad pays me for helping my mother by paying my insurance and giving me a place to live and food. He’s not on any government assistance and neither is my mom.
So, I’m not sucking off any government teats. I just havent cut the cord from my parents yet.
Report Post »Jaycen
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 2:42pmI‘m so darned angry about the stuff in this bill I’m going to SIGN IT INTO LAW. Shoot, darn, I mean…heck!
Gosh, those guys didn’t give me what I want, but I’m going to sign it into law. Dang it. What a loss this was for me and people who think like me. I can’t believe what those guys did. That‘s why I’m signing this into law.
Which Tea Party Reps/Sens voted this thing down?
Todd Akin
Michelle Bachman
Jason Chaffetz
Jim DeMent
Thom Coburn
Rand Paul
James Risch
Marco Rubio
Pat Toomey
All the rest can go.
Report Post »Sherryb50
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 2:52pmagreed. The rest will go.
Report Post »redbone007
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 3:02pmI am disappointed in Allen West, in the House.
Report Post »llotus
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 3:08pmJaycen………..beuner should be the first to go, then mcconell or whatever his name is goes. Santorum must have voted for this, will have to double check. If so hes off my list. With the help of these idiot republicans the terrorizing of the American people continues. What a disappointing group of idiots. They were played by the progressives and loved it. Now look what they have opened the door to. You reap what you sew. ********! Lotus.
Report Post »ortho40
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 3:28pmAgreed…the rest are FINISHED!
Report Post »AmericanPatriot01
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 3:39pmyou forgot RON PAUL
Report Post »Jaycen
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 3:47pmAmericanPatriot01
Listen man, if Ron Paul was just a little less….
I like him well enough, but I don‘t think he’s what I’d consider Tea Party Conservative. He’s certainly Libertarian, but some of what he says is so far off the wall, I just can’t stand along side him. I’m sorry, I really am. He’s just too far out for me.
Report Post »AmericanPatriot01
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 3:55pmRon Paul along with Jim DeMent, by their actions, started the TEA Party Patriots and so many other Patriot organizations. This is the best thing to happen at this time, because it will make these issues be dealt with during the campaign for 2012.
If the TEA party had gotten everything we wanted, then yes, the economy would look better and the size of gov’t would definitely decrease drastically and immediately and we could have gotten back to rebuilding it NOW! But, mr obama would have been able to use it to get re-elected. We have been given a perfect oportunity here. Do NOT be so upset. We did not loose this battle, look at it as we got the first down of the game and our team isnt even fully on the field!!! We just showed up! Now we have to plan the next 10 yard gain on our way to getting another first down. The TOUCHDOWN will be on Nov 2nd, 2012 when we get a true patriot in the white house and vote out all of the currupted filth left from the old sesspools (Both R&D) and replace them with American Patriots
Report Post »boston-rightwinger
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 3:56pmI am pissed off too, but we need to focus on firing the people we never agree with first. This is war and we need to win as many battles as we can, knowing we will not win 100%.
Report Post »Jaycen
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 4:08pmExcellent points, both of you. Sorry, my “engineer” was peeking out for a moment.
Ron Paul is pretty awesome in general. I’m not looking for 100% perfection from all these guys, but their votes do count. Both Ron and Rand Paul voted well this time around.
I‘m not sure I’d agree that Ron Paul practically started the movement. I’m a member of the Tea Party Patriots, and that‘s a distinctly Midwestern phenomenon that’s centered in Missouri. The founders of this organization might talk to Ron and his supporters, but I’ve never seen a strong or direct connection between TPP and Ron Paul.
That‘s not to say we’re not all working for the same goal. I hope we are.
Fiscal Responsibility
Constitutionally Limited Federal Government
Free Markets
Now, those who are against those concepts please speak out and start trashing the Tea Party. That way we know where you stand.
Report Post »AmericanPatriot01
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 4:15pmI was in your shoes 3 years ago when the elections came around last time and I ended up voting for the American soldier for lack of a better choice. I thought Ron’s message was fringe then and frankly bazaar that anyone would want to get rid of the FED and stuff like that. Now? I find that the message he was preaching then is exactly what the economist say would be the only way to preserve our nation. To restore the US to pre-lib/socialist/progressive eras where logic and personal responsibility are the judges and executioners rather than regulations and overseer mandates. The more you learn about what he stands for and the detail of the plans the more you come to realize that he has it right, not because he got some majic gene or has been blessed by GOD with a special gift, but, that he has at the heart of his character the intent and guidence of the founders of this great nation and the integrity to stick to principals like a soldier trying to save the lives of his squad in the middle of the battle. think about it, check it out!
You like me , I’m pretty sure, have no problem being responsible for ourselves, we live with a basic morality and code of ethics. Not everyone has those to guide them but they face the concequences for their actions either way and provide the examples of how not to be.
Ron Paul believes as the founders did, that the Federal government was not intended to be the controller of its people, just the protector or our boaders and our way of life
Report Post »modelmax
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 4:27pmJaycen
Report Post »I agree with you about Ron Paul being pretty far out there but maybe it’s time for extreme measures to combat the extreme Obama and company. Name anyone else who wants to protect our Constitution.
empac99
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 4:41pmI think you have to add Senator Orrin Hatch. I don’t like him, but I give him credit for voting no.
Report Post »Ripleymom
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 6:52amWhy is no one mentioning the new ‘super congress council of 13’ (with Obama) that was passed with the debt deal? It’s our new system of government that only takes a majority of 34 votes to pass legislation suggested by this new panel of oligarchs. That’s why the President is so eager to get to reform. Watch out 2nd Amendment, watch out tea party extremists. We must vote everyone who voted for this out of office in November, and elect The Father of the Tea Party as President. President, Ron Paul. We must unite now, rather than being defeated under the oppression of tyranny. Spread the word. Get on the Ronpaulforums with us now!
Report Post »MONICNE
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 2:42pmDear Taxed Enough Already patriots:
By your extreme behavior, you have awakened a sleeping Giant, the moderate American independents. They are curious to see if the President of the United States will allow you to insult our entire nation without being put in your place.
You have to understand that hardly anybody in the country lives in your personal homeowners association behind gated walls with Joe Wilson. This is a great big country full of all kinds of people, not just TP rudeness aficionados.
TEA
Report Post »Obama_Sham
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 3:10pmGlad to see that the welfare leech chimed in…
Report Post »Jaycen
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 3:32pmYeah, his pic is clearly a reflection of a moderate independent. I’m surprised he could force his fingers to type the words.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 3:44pmYeah MONCNE…”moderate, indepedent Americans”…is that what Jesse Lee told you to portray yourself as? Is Moveon telling all it’s lackeys to try that one? I like “extreme”..we haven’t seen that one tried since Howard Dean was caught on tape telling democrats to use that word.
Report Post »SimpleTruths
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 3:49pmOBAMA_SHAM
Wow, good come back. I‘m sure he’s licking his wounds over that verbal beating. Also illustrates his point.
Report Post »empac99
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 4:50pmYou know, people get on here and tell me all kinds of stuff about myself as a tea pertier. According to this clown I live in a lot nicer a home than the one I see when I go home at night. According to Harry Reid, he can tell me what it is I want. Moncine thinks he can describe what I think, where I live, how much money I make, and my feelings towards the elderly, minorities, and the country in general, and he’s never met me.
Report Post »Teaparty-grammy
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 5:09pmAh, Encinom, you ignorant little Moonbat troll–it doesn’t matter how much rouge you put on–and the dress is a nice touch–but we still know you for the mentally challenged little troll you are–don’t you get that?
Report Post »Classical Liberal
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 10:16pmLOL, encinom. hahahaohwow.jpg
you are one funny individual. Good luck with the class warfare struggle thingy you’re trying. We are most certainly laughing ‘with’ you and not at you.
Report Post »rettpr295
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 2:41pmI wonder if he also means his good friend Jeffrey Immelt whose company, General Electric paid ZERO taxes in 2010
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 3:08pmWhy should corporations pay taxes at all? All they do is pass their increased costs on to their customers.
We should abolish the corporate income tax altogether, and in exchange compel corporations to give up their current SCOTUS-sanctioned status as spurious “persons.”
Report Post »Obama_Sham
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 3:35pmLloyd I agree with the passing the cost on to the consumer… However, what if the net profit was taxed at a standard rate? Companies would try to pass those on to the consumers but in turn would make more net profit, ultimately paying more in physical taxes…
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not one for advocating increasing taxes on some but not others… Just a thought I’ve been kicking around…
Report Post »Jaycen
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 3:43pmLLOYD,
You’re correct that “Corporate Taxes” are a scam invented to bilk more tax money out of all of us. If they weren’t, Politicians would have “closed the loop holes” 60 years ago.
However, your next assertion that it should be somehow traded for something else is nonsense. Corporate Taxes are a ridiculous way of screwing everyone, so let’s stop the practice. If there is another practice that should be stopped, then let’s deal with it.
Now, specifically, what in the universe are you talking about? Corporations aren’t treated like people. Corporations don’t vote, and they don’t hold public office, and they don‘t get driver’s licenses and they don’t marry. How are they treated like people?
Stop listening to Socialist propaganda, friend.
Report Post »vic138
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 3:43pmOr we could just tax their overseas income. As long as there is a way to ensure its not hidden.
Report Post »Jaycen
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 3:46pmOBAMA SHAM
What’s LLOYD is talking about is that the entire concept of corporate taxes are a farce. Corporations aren’t people, and that‘s why you can’t actually tax them. That‘s why they’re allowed to wrap their taxes into their operating costs and pass them on to consumers.
See? Corporate taxes aren’t taxes on corporations, they’re taxes on the consumers. It was an idea of JFK to crank up Federal Taxes without freaking people out. They still collect more in revenue, but you don‘t notice it as it’s wrapped up in the cost of what you’re purchasing.
THEN, they tack on some sales tax and you can get angry over that. Awesome, no?
Think about it. You pay income taxes, then taxes on what you purchase in the form of the corporate tax passed on to you as the consumer, then sales tax on what you just purchased, then property tax and licenes. SWEET!
Go Progressive government!
Report Post »spuggylips
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 3:54pmjaycen I like the way you think, interesting points.
Report Post »Jaycen
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 3:56pm@spuggylips
Thanks very much. If you ever catch me in something you think is incorrect, please let me know. I’m not infallible, and I’m always interested in honing my understanding of history and government.
Regards!
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 4:04pmJaycen:
The Citizens United decision (2010) gives coporations the right to freedom of speech, interpreted as the right to make certain unlimited and anonymous political campaign contributions, on the grounds (first laid down by SCOTUS over a century ago) that they are “persons.”
To be fair, unions have the same right. I see no reason why such large impersonal entities should enjoy 1st amendment rights when they have such obvious power to command the media and pump out virtually unlimited propaganda, whether right or left.
Report Post »Jaycen
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 4:14pmAh, as I suspected – Citizens United
How did you like “The Story of Stuff”? Learn a lot from those groups?
No one, person or corporation, has virtually unlimited resources. Please point to a single example. Perhaps crazy billionaires like George Soros can come close, but most don’t.
I would not abridge a union member’s right to say whatever he likes, just like I would not abridge a CEO’s right to say whatever he likes. You probably want people’s freedom to say whatever they like, and to spend as much as they like on whatever they like restricted, too?
Campaign contribution limits, term limits. Let‘s put all kinds of limits on other people’s freedoms in the name of “fairness”, is that your schtick?
No thanks. My default position is freedom. Freedom for you, for me, for everyone. I would not wish to take your freedom away, please stay away from mine, sir.
Report Post »AmericanPatriot01
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 4:57pmI have heard a few plans that would abolish the income tax and the IRS/FED altogether with a sound money option. It seems very appealing to me to not have to deal with income tax at all and in exchange we would pay a tax at the time of consumption, when you purchase something, anything, you would then pay a federal tax and a state tax. Right now I think the sales tax is at 7% here and would be aound 15% in that fashion. I wouldnt mind paying the tax when I bought something if they were not taking it away from me when I earn it.
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 5:05pmJaycen:
I can’t say about “Stuff.” I don’t rely much on movies as sources of anything but entertainment.
On one point I agree with you absolutely. George Soros, a corporate CEO, a union leader or rank-and-filer, you, me, Ashton Kutcher and Angelina Jolie and anyone else–as an individual–have the right to say, write, text, blog, tweet or whatever, anything whatdoever.
All of us should also have the right–again, as individuals–to contribute whatever we want of our time and money to political causes and campaigns, without limit.
You were waiting for the but? Here it is: no one should not be allowed to contribute money anonymously, and spurious “persons” such as corporations and unions should not be allowed to contribute money at all.
My default position is that neither a democracy nor a republic nor, ultimately individual freedoms, can be secure if citizens are not willing publicly to put their money where their mouths are, or if money alone increasingly determines the outcome of elections and public debates.
Report Post »Teaparty-grammy
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 6:06pm@ AmericanPatriot01 who Posted: “I have heard a few plans that would abolish the income tax and the IRS/FED altogether with a sound money option. It seems very appealing to me to not have to deal with income tax at all and in exchange we would pay a tax at the time of consumption, when you purchase something, anything, you would then pay a federal tax and a state tax. Right now I think the sales tax is at 7% here and would be aound 15% in that fashion. I wouldnt mind paying the tax when I bought something if they were not taking it away from me when I earn it.”
You’ve got to watch out for those VAT and “national sales taxes”. The problem with them is, of course they start out small, to get everybody to support them. But they can always be RAISED without your consent again and again. Plus, a tax on what you are able to buy is a very regressive tax that hits the poor and middle class–who spend far higher percentage of their income on necessities–much harder. Ask the folks in Europe how that works. You cannot trust politicians to be responsible about this. Giving them a blank check with a “national sales tax” would be giving them an even bigger license to steal than they already have.
Report Post »agameofthrones
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 2:40pmWas the ink even dry before his highness started telling us how his vassals and serfs must bring him more tribute? And it looks like the Son of Stimulus is coming this fall. Tell me how we won in this deal?
Report Post »mils
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 2:49pmhe has won and will not collapse in ourselves, so we are told…but we will.
Report Post »CulperGang
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 2:39pmObama personal wealth went from 300k overall when he was a nobody senator to about 3 million as POTUS. HE IS one of the wealthy so what is he “jiving about?”
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2011/05/16/Obamas-wealth-is-at-least-38-million/UPI-13211305592619/
The fact is this is all “talking points” to the ignorant masses.
Obama IS A LIAR. That is all we need to remember about anything this man says: He lied about WHO he really is. He lied about his family. …….this man is a liar and a troll for the Globalist ALL of whom are THE wealthiest elites of the world.
Obama = SNAKE OIL SALESMAN FOR THE GLOBAL ELITES.
Report Post »epeel2
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 2:39pmWhat he didn’t mention sports figures and actors? They earn millions too.
Report Post »seeker9
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 2:55pmWealth is ok for politicians and entertainers because these can be rationlized as “organizers” along with union leaders.
Cost for votes: Ordinary voter – $150, elderly voter – $250, Organizer – unlimited.
Report Post »W@nd@
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 2:39pmMost of what he said was lies anyway!
Report Post »Rapunzel
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 4:45pmHow could you tell? Were his lips moving?
Report Post »Sparky101
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 2:39pmSpecifically what “subsidies” does the government give to oil companies? Now I know that the government subsidizes Planned Parenthood to the tune of 100s of millions of dollars a year, in grants. What grants does the government give to the oil companies. I know the government subsidizes people who don’t want to work, in food stamps, housing vouchers, and cash, but I don’t think any oil executives or employees are getting special “oil company food” or cash are they? Just what is Obama‘s problem that he’d lie about a thing like this? Oh right, those people were his major voting block.
Report Post »sWampy
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 2:52pmIt‘s the old liberal br’er rabbit tactic, they claim to be against powerful companies/oil companies, all the while helping those powerful companies/oil companies. The oil companies make a hell of a lot more when oil is $150 a barrel than they do at $30, after all, it costs them $20 either way. The only companies that will be hurt by this are the small farms, small construction companies, small manufactures, and mom and pop companies around the nation. Typical liberals attack the rural states that provide them food, clothing, power.
Report Post »emh99
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 3:00pmWhy is no one writing about how much the gubmint is raking in thru fuel taxes as gas goes thru the roof??
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 3:14pm“What grants does the government give to the oil companies.”
None, so far as I know.
But the government does give tax credits to oil companies for “domestic manufacturing” and for exploration and development costs.
Why shouldn’t they be able to shoulder these costs themselves?
Report Post »sWampy
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 3:29pmThey could, but cheap energy benefits the poor and middle class more than any government program ever thought of, cutting these out will do nothing but raise fuel costs. My family spends $600 a month driving Camrys back and forth to work with the cost of gas these days, that’s more in fuel than our food bill. My light bill last month was $300, they say it is going to double because of EPA carbon regulations due to hit soon. $1200 for energy, will be as much as the note on my home, and would certainly leave me eating rice and beans, while the welfare bums I see at the grocery stores using their snap cards would continue to eat steak and crab legs, since the government buys their groceries, pays their light bill, and provides them van service.
Report Post »Obama_Sham
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 3:30pmWhy shouldn’t “green technology” shoulder their costs as well?!?
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 4:11pmObama_Sham:
You are absolutely right.
When green energy can make it in the market without special tax breaks, then it will be time to go green.
If, as Swampy suggests, eliminating tax breaks for oil companies will raise the price of gas, then the green technololgies will swiftly seize the opportunity.
Report Post »sWampy
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 4:24pmBuy why the hell should we destroy the middle class for the idiotic not ready for prime time green technology products? We have cut pollution by 95% in power plants in this nation, automobiles by over 90%. We have the technology to produce low pollution synthetic oil from waste products we throw away today at a cost around $20 a barrel, that has the side benefit of it’s waste product being an organic super fertilizer. The only reason for green crap is to raise energy costs, which only helps the rich and hurts the poor and destroys the middle class. Green will come, led light bulbs will replace incandescent once the technology matures to the point where the energy needed to produce the led light bulb drops below the amount of energy the incandescent would use over 3 lifetimes. Green is a scam, an evil scam, that will enslave our kids if allowed to.
Report Post »ProbIemSoIver
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 2:38pmAll I see in the Headline is. “Obama sticks it to the Job creators in America to drive them out of the Country, so we are that much closer to being the third-world-s#ithole that he and all his Commie friends have dreamed about their whole life.”
Report Post »poster
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 2:38pmNovember 2012.
Report Post »vtxphantom
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 2:52pmThird party will be a disaster. We must take the republican party over. Get rid of the DC power elite. That who was behind this bad “deal”. We are in for some extremely hard times. The obama depression will deepen and yes, it will get worse. Glenn Beck is right, prepare, stock up, arm yourselves. Buy lots of bullets too!
Report Post »sWampy
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 3:06pmTo late, this is the same kind of crap Lincoln did to force the first civil war, like then, they aren’t going to be happy until the red states are enslaved or declare war.
Report Post »BIGJAYINPA
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 2:38pmWhat is it about these people that their only fall back position is to stick their hand in my pockets and take my money??? Street thugs use a gun, knife or bat, Government thugs use the tax code to steal my money. Tell me, whisper in my ear, WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ODUMBO AND A COMMON STREET THUG??? I would really like to know. Well dressed and somewhat educated does not mask the street thug in the boy….Just sayin’
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 3:16pm“WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ODUMBO AND A COMMON STREET THUG???”
Um, he was elected and he can’t take your money without Congressional approval.
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 4:07pmObama_Sham:
What I saw was Obama getting rolled. I’m sure he would have preferred a “clean bill” raising the debt ceiling, period, with no cuts. Or, if there had to be cuts, tax increases on the wealthy. He got nothing of the kind, and is taking flak from progressives over it.
Report Post »DNoyce
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 2:37pmIf this A_ _ hole president didn‘t spend us into poverty he wouldn’t need to try and steal more tax money from anyone! What about cut spending doesn’t this idiot understand? The campaign slogan for anyone running against the socialist in the White House should be “It’s the SPENDING stupid!!!”
Report Post »Son_of_Liberty
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 2:37pm“Occupants of public offices love power and are prone to abuse it.” George Washington
We have to get this un-America fascist out of office. Ron Paul 2012
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Report Post »SHOESHINEBOY
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 2:37pmso.you raise taxes, more un-employemnt, causing you to spend more, and raise more taxes, causing more un-employment, causing more people to cut back on spending, so they can pay your tax increase, causing more un-employment…..
sure…go ahead..
Report Post »trueblueday
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 2:37pmand the stock market continues to plummet. Keep talking, OBO. Your “fairness” will ruin any potential savings for any and all of us and continue to spread the misery.
Report Post »ConstitutionalPatriot
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 2:35pmWho knew Obama would push for tax hikes before the ink was dry on this bill to decrease our credit rating??? Oh, wait I did, so did every other Conservative that is involved in the goings on in government.
Report Post »love the kids
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 2:35pmHe also always says that the people who benefit most from the system should pay more. Well, isn’t a person who has been on welfare longterm benefiting most from the “system”? If 100% of their income is coming from the system, and people making 1,000,000 dollars have to pay over 300,000 in taxes, then the biggest benificiaries are the one’s on welfare.
Report Post »sWampy
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 2:36pmHere, the welfare drones benefit most, while the rest of us benefit the least.
Report Post »ConstitutionalPatriot
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 2:40pmFormer Senator Obama (at the podium) No …. ummm … not benefit’s the most from the government…. I meant…. benefits most outside of Washington D.C., outside of government subsidies, outside of entitlements, outside of lobbyist’s, you know outside of my inner circle. With the exception of the GOP of course!
What a troll!
Report Post »emh99
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 2:58pmOMG you are 100% correct – too obvious for me to see!!!! thanks! i’ll start trumpeting that one.
Report Post »Rajabear1
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 9:37pmExcellent point. Also, could someone please explain to me how in heaven’s name do people that get back all the fed income tax that they put in throughout the year because they make too little income also get paid EIC for each of their kids. We aren’t talking about a couple hundred, more like a couple thousand–at least. Why is it that the government has any duty to give tax breaks for people having children??? Aren‘t they using the ’systems’ more than, let‘s say a single person with no kids and that’s paid off student loans making $50,000 a year? Why in the heck should the single person pay much more in taxes only to give it to people that drain the system? As a footnote, I was the single mom with 3 kids and my best friend was the single responsible person. He would help with my taxes every year, third year in when he finally told me what he paid in taxes, i quit taking the EIC and haven’t taken it since. Just one small, but blatantly obvious, case of redistribution of wealth. BTW this was many years before I ever heard of that term, I just knew it wasn’t right to pay me for having children.
Report Post »javasport
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 2:35pmExcellent! 90% tax on all registered Democrats!
Report Post »MidWestMom
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 2:43pmExcept of course those who qualify for his “waiver” list.
Report Post »LadyIzShy
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 2:32pmwow who seen this coming.. LOL I gotta say it was rather FAST even for him but hey BHO doesnt let the grass grow under his feet
Report Post »cessna152
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 2:35pmHow about you and your wife stop STEALING from the American people you DOPE! Man oh man I am so fed up with these treasonous Nazis!!!
Report Post »MidWestMom
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 2:41pmSo that‘s what he’s been doing the last few weeks…..practicing yet another campaign speech.
Report Post »Mateytwo Barreett
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 2:32pmTurn them spigots on, and then get outta town for a week! You deserve it! I mean really- screwing an entire nation takes tremedous stamina -Makes you wanna have a smoke, don’t it!
Report Post »mrfunn
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 2:31pm.
What?
No grand signing ceremony?
Why is that Obama?
Didn’t you want your picture associated with this mess?
Report Post »pajamash
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 2:41pmThey are all nuts!!!!
Report Post »biohazard23
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 2:40pmHappy happy joy joy in Chi-town. Ew, I think I just threw up a little…..
Report Post »trueblueday
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 2:44pmYea, what’s the phrase, “Let them eat cake?” – right, that was made to the peasants, like us.
Report Post »MidWestMom
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 2:46pmYep. And we just paid for it.
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