Obama Justice Department Threatens University With Lawsuit Because Transgendered Man Can‘t Use Women’s Bathrooms
- Posted on May 24, 2012 at 4:11pm by
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In a bizarre case that, depending on your point of view, either highlights the complete lack of common sense in the Justice Department’s Civil Rights Division, or demonstrates how truly radical certain segments of the gay rights movement are, Arkansas University has been sued over its refusal to allow an almost 40 year old, still biologically male student to use women’s bathrooms.

A little background on the issue before we plunge into the specifics of the case: Most college campuses make some sort of provision for transgendered students – IE students who believe they were born the wrong gender and are in the process of transitioning to physically resemble the other (presumptively correct) gender using surgery and/or hormone therapy.
These provisions typically include the creation of spaces such as “gender neutral bathrooms” (IE bathrooms that can be used by both sexes), or even in some cases the allowance of completely gender neutral housing which would permit men and women to live in the same dorms. In some cases, students are even taught to use substitute pronouns for gender-nonconforming individuals such as “ze” or “hir,” and often this includes being told that there are more than just two genders. In extreme cases, students are told that there is no such thing as gender at all.
Full disclosure: The author of this article actually went through such an orientation, and has written a firsthand description of the process:
For evidence of this, one has only to look at what is actually argued in these sessions. Among the more interesting facts I gleaned from my session of BiLeGaTa were the following:
1. Gender is a social construct.
2. There are at least five genders (what the other three are is not explained), not two, and that’s a conservative estimate.
3. The proper pronoun to use to describe transgendered people is not “he” or “she” but rather “ze.” The possessive form of this word is “hir.” The word to use in formal address (as in “Sir” or “Madame”) is “Ziram.”
And…
4. Anyone who disagrees with any of this, or even questions it, is automatically “heteronormative” or worse, “heterosexist.”
Why bring all of this up? Because many of these measures (for instance, the creation of gender neutral bathrooms) were implemented by the University of Arkansas at Fort Smith (UAFS), which is the school being sued. Unfortunately for them, that was apparently not enough for our tormented would-be woman, who wanted the right to use not just gender neutral bathrooms, but any and all bathrooms intended for women, despite the presence of decidedly non-female reproductive organs. Meet Jennifer Braly, the plaintiff in this case:
For the sake of simplicitly, we’ll be referring to Ms. Braly by her preferred pronoun throughout this article, if only because we don’t know what her original male name was, and hearing someone named Jennifer referred to as “he” is headache inducing. Campus Reform brings us further details on the story:
A letter from the Department of Justice (DOJ) caused the University of Arkansas at Ft. Smith (UAFS) early this month to reverse policy and allow a 38-year old anatomically male-student permant use of women’s bathrooms on campus despite opposition from female students.
The university made the reversal on “advice of counsel” after receiving a letter the DOJ sent in response to a complaint that a single, self proclaimed “transgender” student filed with the DOJ’s Civil Rights Division.
“Because of the stance we took, the individual filed a complaint with the Office of Civil Rights in the Department of Justice,” Mark Horn who is the vice president of university relations explained in an interview with Campus Reform on Tuesday.

Mark Horn
Jennifer Braly, the student who filed the complaint, calls [herself] “transgender” with a “gender identity disorder.” Braly, however, remains anatomically a man and is currently raising money online for Sex Reassignment Surgery (SRS).
Braly filed the complaint with the DOJ after the university initially told [her] to use the campus’s several gender-neutral bathrooms instead of the women’s restrooms.
Got that? The university tried to settle this problem by telling Ms. Braly to just use the gender neutral bathrooms in order to avoid making female students who wanted privacy in female bathrooms uncomfortable. She claims on her website that this was inconvenient because gender neutral bathrooms did not exist in all buildings on-campus:
So the University called me into a meeting and told me I had to use unisex bathrooms and that was it. I can’t use any male or female public bathrooms. One problem to this is there are not unisex bathrooms in every building. Especially the two main buildings where most of my classes are, so I have to go to a completely different building to use the restroom.
Inconvenient? Sure. But the reasonability (or not) of Braly’s complaint suffers rather a lot when you realize that this “woman” considered having to walk five minutes to go to a bathroom she could use to be an infringement worthy of asking the Federal Department of Justice to sue the school. It’s also ruined by the fact that, according to Campus Reform:
The university offered to convert more current bathrooms into gender-neutral restrooms, but still Braly was unsatisfied and decided to sue.
“We tried to make reasonable accommodation and to find a common ground, converting the number of bathrooms on campus to gender-neutral,” Horn from UA said on Tuesday.
Finally, however, it was the letter from DOJ that convinced the legal department and administrators at UA to yield to Braly’s demands.
So the school not only set up gender neutral bathrooms rather than expecting Braly to use the men’s room and possibly risk feeling really uncomfortable, but they also offered to convert existing bathrooms to being unisex. But no, apparently Ms. Braly believes that being able to walk through a door with this sign on it is a civil right as sacrosanct as the right to vote:

What a scandalous instance of segregation
Now, to be fair, it’s not clear what the letter from the Justice Department said (they’ve refused to release it to the press), so for all we know, there could be an airtight legal case in the letter. Certainly something spooked the university.
To be doubly fair, some might argue that so long as Braly acts like a woman, doesn’t behave in a meaningfully threatening way towards women and shows no signs of being attracted to women (and thus has no ulterior motives for wanting to enter a women’s bathroom), then this really is a rather silly, old-fashioned move on the university’s part.
Fair enough. Except it’s not true. Despite her supposedly false gender, Braly evidently is attracted to women – so much so that she’s been married to other women twice and even got one of them pregnant with a daughter. From Braly’s website (emphasis added):
I have lived with this condition for the first 36 years of my life and I am now 38. During the first 36 years of my life I tried everything to conform to the male standard but nothing ever seemed to work. I had two marriages and both ended in divorce. My second marriage ended with my ex wife being pregnant with my daughter. A three year visitation battle ensued because of my decsion to transition into the woman I am today, and it drained all my funds. In the end for lack of representation in court I ended up having to sign my rights away.

Now, say what you like about “conforming to the male standard,” but getting someone pregnant takes more than just being a good actor. Either the attraction is there or it isn’t. If Braly is capable of knocking girls up, then those girls have every reason to want her away from them in the bathroom so long as she retains the organ that would permit her to do so. This is just basic common sense.
And not that you needed another reason to think this all sounds like a bad joke gone wrong, but it turns out that Braly actually was able to use women’s bathrooms for a good portion of her time at UAFS. So why isn’t she allowed to use them anymore? Because apparently she thought it was a good idea to do a campus lecture tour talking all about how she’s secretly a man and accusing anyone uncomfortable with that fact of being transphobes. Again, from her website:
When I started living full-time as female at the University I was fine. I was living in stealth mode, quiet, and kept to myself. It just semed safe. I would use womens public bathrooms with out any complaints. Then I took General Psychology and had asked the professor if I could give a lecture on Gender Identity Disorders for some extra credit. She not only allowed me to speak to my class but her other 2 classes as well. She also referred me to another professor and I spoke in his class too. I was excited I was educating people about being a transsexual and the other types of Gender Identity Disorders. Those lectures would be the beginning of all my problems. As I did get many great responses from students how my lectures greatly changed their perspective of what transsexuals are, some students were not so accepting. Some saw me using the womens public restrooms and complained to the University that they didn’t think I should be using the restroom with them.
Shocking. And the truly ironic thing? Braly’s been banned from giving these lectures because apparently she’s not a qualified expert on the disorder, except by virtue of having it. This is not considered a credential. For instance, medical schools don’t invite amputees to lecture on the finer points of when to cut off limbs, even though they themselves might have had their limbs removed. Similarly, while Braly might suffer from the disorder she’s lecturing about, that doesn’t mean she knows how it ought to be treated, or its neuroscientific origins, or the history of its inclusion in the DSM-IV. Her opinion is only slightly more informed than a layman because of her experience. This doesn’t merit a status as a guest lecturer.
However, psychologists may still want to take note of this case for a very specific reason: given the response of the Justice Department, not being in your right mind may be contagious.




















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rebelwuf
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 4:33pmSo, what happens when some freak like this uses the “born the wrong gender” issue as an excuse to go into women’s bathrooms to rape or molest innocent women, or LITTLE GIRLS?
Report Post »Locked
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 4:37pmThe same thing that happens when a non-transgendered man goes into the woman’s bathroom to rape or molest women or little girls: you lock them up and throw away the key.
The argument you’re trying to make, that someone with a gender identity issue is automatically a rapist or pedophile, is insulting at best and the sign of mental instability at worst.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 4:44pmHe still looks very much like a dude
Report Post »TXGal
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 4:45pmLocked’s reply is stupid.
Report Post »Conservative1234
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 4:53pmMy aunt (not by blood) in Massachusetts has a friend; a couple actually. The woman dresses like a man and the man is a transsexual male who dresses like a woman. It’s confusing and distrubring to me as a catholic. The bible said Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.
Report Post »EqualJustice
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 4:54pmYour argument doesn’t hold water, since we are saying ANYONE can dress like a woman and go into the LADIES’ room? You think sickos will not USE this to their advantage? I think there are enough RAPISTS and PEDOPHILES outside the ladies room without HANDING them the keys.
Report Post »turkey13
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 4:56pmI can’t wait for Obamas girls or Holders granddaughters to go to college. All you guys say you have this disorder and you get to go in and get a free shot. Be sure to post on u-tube for all to see. By the way this is one ugly It. Obama & Holder have opened the floodgates for the phedophiles to leagally follow little kids into the restrooms. One more reason to Home School.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 5:00pm@TXgal
“Locked’s reply is stupid.”
Wow! With that overwhelming logic, which I’ve seen the likes of since, oh, kindergarten, I simply MUST admit defeat. You certainly are a paragon among scholars; a modern day Daniel Webster.
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 5:04pmWhat if the bathrooms have showers? Can someone use this to take a peek?
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 5:08pmSimple…. no p e n i s ‘ s allowed in the Ladies Room.
Also, what would a LGBT bathroom symbol look like? : )
Report Post »kaydeebeau
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 5:10pmHey DOJ – the first time I as a female am confronted with a man in “transition” in the bathroom with me I will be filing sexual harrasment charges
Report Post »Oldmantex
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 5:14pmThere is a simple solution to this, men stand up for your women. If someone like this decides to walk into the bathroom behind my wife / daughter / sister / mom he can bet there will be problems. He can sit and hold it until my wife / daughter / sister /mom comes out. Then I will broadcast to the women’s restroom a man is about to come inside, I recommend all women leave until he is done.
Make such a scene and so much noise that he will be to embarrassed to go inside and if he does he is alone. You people that feel the need to constantly throw your sexual preference in peoples faces do it for no other reason than getting attention. Well you want it, you got it. Ill make you wish you could crawl under a rock and disappear because of the embarrassment you will endure. OR OR you could shut up and go on in life as a woman and most people wont notice and use the women’s restroom in peace. Your choice!
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 5:18pmYo Locked:
Report Post »I would say that the mental instability demonstrated here is the man that wants to go into the girles room to do his pee pee, or is that wee wee. This crazyness could drive any sane man to mental instability.
KeenEye
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 5:22pmLOCKED?
Report Post »Since you were insulted by REBELWUF are you going to write the DOJ and file a complaint?
Baddoggy
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 5:23pmMy wife caught a dude in her bathroom and she might finish his trangenderness right then and there….He would be dickless…
Report Post »bdandsl
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 5:30pm@locked – A man dressed up as a woman is not suspicious when entering a woman’s restroom and that it would make it easier for predators. An excellent point.
Report Post »Jaycen
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 5:41pmLocked
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 4:37pm
The argument you’re trying to make, that someone with a gender identity issue is automatically a rapist or pedophile, is insulting at best and the sign of mental instability at worst.
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Strawman AND Ad Hominem
Nothing in this comment “made that argument”. You made it, and then attacked him personally.
“I’m JRook, and I support socially deviant behavior. People who are uncomfortable with that behavior are stupid poo heads. Also, I‘m willing to twist your discomfort into an attack on the deviant and then I’ll escalate to suggest you are also deviant. That’s because I am a doucheasaurus rex.”
Report Post »Jaycen
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 5:41pm@TXGal
Usually.
Report Post »Jaycen
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 5:43pm@The-Monk
It would be “X”, like an algebraic variable. That should condition you to accept losing your name and being issued a number by the government, because numbers are really much more efficient than names. Ask the Chinese.
Report Post »FatManChew
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 5:48pm@Locked Using your theory then we have to all assume all humans are is automatically a rapist because we have male and female bathrooms because to truly believe no one is a rapist means we should only have gender neutral bathrooms.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 6:00pmSo this is really a case of Braly demanding that the whole world treat the basket case as a woman whether he is one or not. The basket case has been married to women, is clearly attracted to women even though he believes he’s a woman himself and demands to be in proximity to the intimate hygeine practices of women. Oh and apparently there are more than two genders in the human species..the previous genetic and psychological distortions of the two genders are considered their own genders now. Enough already….
Report Post »HappyStretchedThin
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 6:02pmGender IS a social construct. But it’s also a cognitive construct and, I believe, part of one’s spiritual essence–and there’s only two of them (the other three mentioned can be easily explained as variations on confusion between two genders). Sex on the other hand is biologically binary, and the triple chromosome cases are exceptions, not proof that the rule isn’t valid (which is Judith Butler’s big mistake).
Report Post »But even if all it were was a social construct, it’s a good one! It allows for two complementary halves to humanity. It allows for two different kinds of strengths to be made one when joined in marriage (which means joined in purpose). And there’s no single stereotypical role either gender is forced to conform to, since all gender roles are negotiable, heteronormativity is only oppressive in the feelings of those outside the norm.
We should affirm good norms, and avoid the potential dangers of allowing the chemistry between biologically different sexes to mix in public restrooms.
majasdad
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 6:06pmWell said.
Report Post »majasdad
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 6:09pm@LOCKED
Report Post »God God! I just mistakenly posted “well said” to REBELWUF.
The well said was of course meant for you.
@REBELWUF
Your comment was amazingly stupid.
marhee9
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 6:10pmYou know when they talk about the “slippery slope” theory and your friends ask what they mean by that. Have them read this story and maybe then they’ll understand. This is one more example of liberal fairness. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwGq8e23LOc You’re supposed to change your views and behavior to accomodate people that want to reinvent normal. No thanks.
Report Post »svan71
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 6:18pmUnless you were born with a va JJ stay out of the womens bathroom. ******** again its not about your feelings its about facts.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 8:00pmLocked
I think that the tranny has mental instability. He said “I tried everything to conform to the male standard but nothing ever seemed to work.” Locked says we have to take his word for it. We cannot look into his claim. Maybe he was a 90 lb weakling & it was easier to become female than to stand up.
The universities have queer departments. They write volumes on queer theory. And so it cannot be impertinent to ask what everything was that he tried. And after we learn to pass judgement on it.
After all the DOJ passed judgement & they have police officers (force) to back it up.
They gave the complaintant a mile not an inch. Then they were going to give another mile (They were going convert more bathrooms. But that was not good enough. We have to live by his stupid timetable.
This is not tolerance. This is overreach.
Report Post »MCDAVE
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 8:06pmjust one more example of how sick in the head the Obama administration is…The truth is self evident
Report Post »db321
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 8:17pmIf any man goes into the rest room while my little girl is in there – he is going have a broken nose – I don’t care what the color of his shoes are.
Report Post »Southern Rebel
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 8:23pm@locked- please go back in your hole. Rebelwufs point is valid.
Report Post »Southern Rebel
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 8:27pmThis sounds like a ‘personal problem’ for those who ‘think’ they messed up gender wise; and I personally won’t give you any sympathy.
Report Post »There are only 2 genders, plain and simple. But what bothers me the most, as these spineless morons who keep appeasing these freaks of nature and giving them the time of day.
Walkabout
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 8:31pmmarhee9
You know when they talk about the “slippery slope” theory
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Yup. they put in gender neutral bathrooms. Then they agree to put in more. But it wasn’tt fast enough.
How fast was it suppose to be? The next day the next week, the next month? With a big organization planning & execution might take 6 to 12 months. If they would have made the change in 3 months they still would have been sued.
We are being put thru this because they are mental unsound!
Report Post »Wildblue3
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 8:50pmLocked, We aren’t saying those with TG issues are automatically rapists. We are saying that there are some who will use Gender Neutral restrooms to exercise their sick fantasies. I have respect for TG people. But the problems with Gen Neu Bathrooms is that someone will probably abuse the privleges.
Report Post »edmundburk
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 9:13pmthis is………CRAZY!!!!
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 9:29pmHappyStretchedThin
I aint exactly sure what you said, but it sho nuff sounded good to me.
Report Post »1947
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 9:40pmMark Horn it’s part Obama program. You now have to build a “Transgender Outhouse.”
Report Post »Brittany-Imbriaarts
Posted on May 25, 2012 at 12:06amRebelwuf so you must determine that anyone who uses the restrooms of the opposite gender are rapists. Then please tell me why there have been countless cases of transgender people using the restrooms of their birth gender being raped and beaten yet you claim something that flat out hasn’t happened. I’m trans. I only use the restroom to answer natures call I have no interest in staying in such a place long let alone do what you accuse of my kind.
Report Post »Chet Hempstead
Posted on May 25, 2012 at 1:42amI’ll bet there are a lot more trannies raped by men in men’s rooms than women raped by trannies in ladies rooms. I don’t have the statistics to back that up, but just on the basis of life experience and knowledge of human nature, I’d say it’s pretty much a sure thing. I would bet just about any amount of money on it.
Report Post »HappyStretchedThin
Posted on May 25, 2012 at 1:45am@RangerP
Report Post »You know what? You’re right about that. Sorry. Sometimes I get wrapped up in theory language when thinking in theoretical terms, but the concepts don’t require jargon. Can I have a mulligan?
There’s no question that social norms influence gender roles. There’s no NATURAL reason little boys should wear pants not skirts–it’s their parents that teach them that, their school peers who reinforce the markers that distinguish gender, etc. The problem is liberal theorists STOP there. They CAN’T admit that even though the MARKS are arbitrary, the FACT of MARKING IS natural. IT doesn’t ALL belong in the realm of SOCIAL norm either–society is composed of INDIVIDUALS and their ideas about gender are housed inside their BRAINS NOT JUST in the rules society “forces” on them. Put little Suzy and little Lulu in a room with nothing but GI Joes and toy cars, and they STILL will play “house” with them–they won’t become BOYS.
One theorist in general, Judith Butler, tries to make the case for more than two SEXes (because in super rare cases some people are born with an XXY instead of an XY, for example), and therefore more than 2 genders, but this is faulty logic because a biological oddity shouldn’t be included in the sample.
Finally, there’s lots of models of maleness that people see in society from which they can choose their OWN masculinity (are you more a Rocky or more a Father Knows Best kind of man?…) so norms don’t impose.
Better?
kryptonite
Posted on May 25, 2012 at 3:55amRed alert! Calling the Bobbitt woman!
Will you please do us all a favor and rid this MAN of his manhood?
Problem solved.
P.S. Please keep the severed appendage sealed in a plastic bag and on ice. Some poor wife-victimized dude in China may want it. The other bozo can pee sitting down.
Report Post »http://theoatmeal.com/comics/peeing_sitting_down
Bobsbride
Posted on May 25, 2012 at 6:49amRebelWuf, EXACTLY! Where are the rights of the women who don’t want a man (whether or not he thinks he’s a man) in their bathroom?? Guess places better start building a bathroom titled “Other.”
Report Post »Locked
Posted on May 25, 2012 at 8:09amOh, criticism. Let’s take it all in turn, shall we?
@4truth2all
“I would say that the mental instability demonstrated here is the man that wants to go into the girles room to do his pee pee, or is that wee wee. This crazyness could drive any sane man to mental instability.”
Agreed. That‘s what it’s called gender identity disorder. It’s also why I think that the restroom you use should be based on your -sex-, not your -gender-.
@Keeneye
“Since you were insulted by REBELWUF are you going to write the DOJ and file a complaint?”
I wasn’t insulted at all. Pointing out idiotic statements and deconstructing them is something of a hobby of mine.
@Bdansl
“A man dressed up as a woman is not suspicious when entering a woman’s restroom and that it would make it easier for predators. An excellent point.”
Think about this for one fraction of a second. If this is the case, why don’t all rapists just dress up as women? If they can pass themselves off as women, what does it matter if the bathroom is male, female, or gender neutral? @Rebelwuf’s implication is clear: he (or she) thinks that gender identity disorder is used for rape and pedophilia. What other explanation can you get from his (or her) comment?
Report Post »Locked
Posted on May 25, 2012 at 8:14am@Jaycen
“Strawman AND Ad Hominem
Nothing in this comment “made that argument”. You made it, and then attacked him personally.”
False, and false. @Rebelwuf said that rapists will use the “gender identity excuse” to use women’s bathrooms and rape women and young girls, and asked what we should do. I responded that if a rapist does so, they should face the same punishment as any rapist: prison. There’s no strawman there.
As for an ad hominem attack, I’m really not sure how you can explain away someone linking gender identity disorder and rape. What would your explanation be? Ignorance? Hatred? It’s like linking beetles and volleyballs. Completely unrelated.
@Fatmanchew
“Using your theory then we have to all assume all humans are is automatically a rapist because we have male and female bathrooms because to truly believe no one is a rapist means we should only have gender neutral bathrooms.”
False. Using @Rebelwuf’s words, we have to assume that rapists have been waiting for the opportunity to use gender neutral bathrooms to commit rape. In his (or her) mind, apparently rapists would not commit rape if they didn’t have the right bathroom to use. That’s… well, I can’t even begin to say how delusional that is.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on May 25, 2012 at 8:22am@Walkabout
“I think that the tranny has mental instability. He said “I tried everything to conform to the male standard but nothing ever seemed to work.””
I agree with you. It’s a gender identity DISORDER. That implies her mind is not ordered.
“Locked says we have to take his word for it.”
False. Where in any of my posts did I comment like that? In fact, if you bothered to look on the second page, I specifically said that making bathrooms for genders is a dumb idea; they should be separated based on sex (anatomical). If this “guy” was using the woman’s room post-op, there would be no issue… least of all @Rebelwuf’s idea that she would go a-rapin’.
“This is not tolerance. This is overreach.”
As said, I agree. Still doesn’t address @Rebelwuf’s idea that rapists have just been biding their time waiting for this kind of case to come up so they could cross-dress and go rape women and little girls.
@Southern rebel
“please go back in your hole. Rebelwufs point is valid.”
Nah. I like to point out BS when other people post it. @Rebelwuf‘s point seems to be that the transgendered community is just a front for rapists who apparently would not be raping women if a university had rules against men going into the women’s bathroom.
… do you really not see any logical issue with that? A rapist (or pedophile), someone who will knowingly break the law to sexually assault someone, is only deterred by separated bathrooms?
Report Post »Locked
Posted on May 25, 2012 at 8:28am@Wildblue
“We aren’t saying those with TG issues are automatically rapists.”
Well, you aren’t. Neither am I. It sort of makes us rocks of sanity in a sea of “Rapists were just waiting for gender neutral bathrooms to sexually assault women!!!” craziness.
“We are saying that there are some who will use Gender Neutral restrooms to exercise their sick fantasies.”
… drat, and I had so much hope for you. You really, truly believe that gender neutral bathrooms will cause an uptick in sexual assault? That the ONLY thing stopping someone from raping women in bathrooms has been segregation?
Gosh, I hope you’ve never used a Port-O-Potty. Those things aren’t separated by sex either. Oddly, I haven’t heard of too many people using them to rape unsuspecting women or children.
“I have respect for TG people. But the problems with Gen Neu Bathrooms is that someone will probably abuse the privleges.”
My problem is that the idea of creating specific GENDER bathrooms is based on what someone feels they are. Separate them by sex. As a man, I don’t want to see a bunch of used tampons in the trash. Women are likely uncomfortable walking by guys standing at urinals with their manhood hanging out.
This transgendered woman just needs to accept that her (or his) parts should dictate where she (or he) can go to the bathroom. But it still doesn’t make her a rapist, nor does it make sense that rapists were waiting for this opportunity to act. It’s crazy.
Report Post »Brittany-Imbriaarts
Posted on May 25, 2012 at 9:21amHere is a question for all you against this woman using the bathroom.
What bathroom whould you have her use?
The article points out there is no gender neutral bathroom in the building or buildings near by, this is the issue. When nature calls she is required by the college to seek these out. Do you go to work and when nature calls go down the block to use the restroom, when there is one around the hall. No.
As I pointed out there are countless cases of abuse and rape to trans people using the bathroom of their birth gender, if this happened at the college the college would face a sever law suit for not up-keeping the safety of a minority person they are aware of. Its the same case if someone ran up and beat up a handicapped person in a bathroom. They also don’t allow her in the women s bathroom because as many have pointed out she still has the equipment of a man and if something would happen in there the school has the potential of another lawsuit, and if said thing happened then she should face the penalty of the crime to the full extent. But who will pay to have bathrooms installed? will you. Colleges charge ridicules rates as is, so will they. Will the government? Its about the rights a person has to do something we all do in a reasonable manner with the least amount of risk to people.
Report Post »Truthbeliever2
Posted on May 25, 2012 at 9:42amPeople with “gender identity issues” are screwing with the lives of people who have none. The argument I would like to make is anybody with “gender identity issues” are showing signs of “mental instability” at BEST. These people need professional help with their obvious disorder. I would not want anybody with this disorder to be around my children. (especially in the restroom)
Building separate restrooms for people with sexual instability issues is not going to help them with their problem. It just reinforces the idea that they are acting like a normal member of society. I’m so sick of the minority of the population forcing their will upon me. (especially this freak minority)
Report Post »Brittany-Imbriaarts
Posted on May 25, 2012 at 10:07amTRUTHBELIEVER2
“People with “gender identity issues” are screwing with the lives of people who have none. The argument I would like to make is anybody with “gender identity issues” are showing signs of “mental instability” at BEST. These people need professional help with their obvious disorder. I would not want anybody with this disorder to be around my children. (especially in the restroom)”
You should know for one to be diagnosed and treated like her and myself we go through years of therapy. You don’t just walk in a doctors office and get medicine to convert genders. It takes years of therapy and to meet a small window to be allowed to go through the process. Personally it was 3 years for therapy before I was approved for medicines. And I still have to be regularly seen by a therapist. So your argument is faulted in that you haven’t looked into what someone has to go through for this. There is no cure only ways to lessen the feelings by creating a form the person can deal with in their day to day lives. Those Suffering from GID (looks to be changed later next year medically in books) do suffer from other mental disorders at times, those disorders tend to be self destructive ones and depression and suicidal thought and actions are leading triggers to discovering a case of GID in the first place. The therapy is to help people not carry though with doing worse things to themselves.
Report Post »JRook
Posted on May 25, 2012 at 10:31amJust another zealot, celebrity wanna be, just like the conservative nuts you occasionally report on who are merely seeking their 15 mins. of fame. And of course it takes are real genius to provide it to them.
Report Post »Vicky in Cincy
Posted on May 25, 2012 at 11:13amIf you did not know that Jeniffer Braly was a transsexual would there even be a discussion about this. I applaud the University for making gender neutral bathrooms available. However, Brittany said it very well when she stated that if you need to go to the restroom are you going to walk down the block to use one? There are many transwomen in society and you do not even know who we are. I have seen natural born women who look more manly than some men. You cannot tell from looking at someone…unless of course they are in a dress and sporting a full moustache.
We all go to the bathroom to relieve our bladders, not to rape or molest women or children. Those rapist and molesters would be spotted very quickly because they will not know how to act in public and pass as women nor can one loiter in a public restroom for a length of time without arousing suspiction.
For those who say that pre-operative transsexuals use the bathroom of their birth gender, how do you think that a woman in a mens room will be treated. Conversely, if a female to male TS went into women’s restroom dressed like a man what would the reaction from women be. I would guess that Security personnel would be called. It is much easier for all concerned to use the restroom for which they are dressed, and to keep their mouths shut and their hands to themselves.
Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on May 25, 2012 at 1:45pm@Vicky in Cincy
“…and to keep their mouths shut and their hands to themselves.
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Therein lies the problem. This is a narcissistic individual who wants the universe to revolve around him. He could have kept silent, but all of a sudden he fancies himself a transgender guest speaker, and the liberal clowns go out of their way to cater to his already overinflated ego and screwed-up identity. Besides, does he have urinary incontinence too? It’s not like he has to walk a mile to piss. Give me a break.
The DOJ should have told him to get help, learn to be a productive member of the community, and then go back to school. But Holder has turned the DOJ into the Dept. of Travesty of Justice, so this little jerk got to trample and infringe on the rights of everybody else.
Report Post »LetUsReason
Posted on May 25, 2012 at 2:29pmI’d like to reference people to the part of this article where the Blaze writer says:
For the sake of simplicitly, we’ll be referring to Ms. Braly by her preferred pronoun throughout this article, if only because we don’t know what her original male name was, and hearing someone named Jennifer referred to as “he” is headache inducing.
…and I’d like to call BS! Sorry Blaze, I love you, but you’ve stooped to PC nonsense on this one, and it’s obvious that you are using subtle tactics and games to stay PC. I disapprove.
Report Post »ronin_6
Posted on May 25, 2012 at 2:45pm@Locked
Report Post »The mental instability lays with those that willfully mutilate themselves in the misguided notion that they were “assigned” the wrong gender at birth.
You obviously have not lived in the real world. In the real world, pedophiles, rapists, child molesters, voyeurs of the most low sort will use whatever technicality they can to accomplish their twisted goals. So a genuine pedophile not necessarily of the (LBGT stripe) could potentially claim gender miss assignment in an effort to gain access to an unattended minor.
Simple see?
Just as pedos and such suffer from mental disorders that cause them to seek wholly inappropriate liaisons so to are homosexuals. It was okay for homosexuals as long as they kept it too themselves, (what two consenting adults do in their bedroom etc…) but now they wish to force, yes force their agenda on children and society as a whole.
This we will not allow.
k8ti
Posted on May 25, 2012 at 7:49pmI agree Rebel! For Locked…..a man (who looks like a man) who is in a women’s bathroom makes you run out or scream at first sight… because you know he’s not supposed to be there. A man who looks like a woman will get away with being in there because he is tricking people. Rebel is saying what if a rapist or a child molester uses that excuse to stay inside of a women’s bathroom to harm people! I would rather we stick to men go into men‘s rooms and women go into women’s rooms, it’s better for everyone.
Besides, it’s also not a far leap to think a sexually “confused” cross dresser could be a pervert.
Report Post »Knight Templar
Posted on May 25, 2012 at 9:27pmI’m with txgal only I will go further and say locked arrogantly stupid.
Report Post »Knight Templar
Posted on May 25, 2012 at 9:43pm@LOCKED—-Your attempts to refute the normal emphasize your density. If you have read these posts and not understand them, you are dense. If you read them and understood them (I doubt that) you are a disgusting troll.
Report Post »TheeRealist
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 4:31pmSick sick sick.
One inbetween the eyes is the cure.
I’m so tired of these wackos. And then we wonder why so many kids are abused.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 4:35pmAgreed!
Report Post »tzion
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 5:53pmHere‘s what I don’t get. They insist that gender is only a social construct (which in my opinion would mean it has next to zero relevance and isn’t connected to sex in any way) and yet try to argue that someone who by sex is a man but by “gender” (which, once again shouldn’t be relevant at all) should be allowed to use the bathroom reserved for members of the female sex (not gender). Moreover, if gender is a social construct, and therefore in no way connected to sex, why is it that so many “transgendered” people feel the need to pass themselves off as the opposite sex?
While we’re asking questions, how is it that gender, a social construct, can exist in 5 different varieties if society has never recognized more than two? These people have contradicted themselves left and right so many times that it’s not even possible for a critically minded person to take them seriously. The way these people talk about gender, it sounds as though “gender” is derived from interests and behavior, in which case calling it gender is misleading.
Report Post »Bryan B
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 7:14pmIf Transgender and Homosexuals people like this where just made illegal, lawsuits like this would never happen. Instead they would be given a $1000.00 Ticket….
There are only around 700,000 Transgender people in the United States, for this few number of people to polarize and paralyze all areas of American life, is unacceptable…..
Report Post »edmundburk
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 9:25pmHe’s what Rush would call “a lesbian trapped in a man’s body.”
Report Post »LetUsReason
Posted on May 25, 2012 at 2:35pm@THEEREALIST
As much as I’d like to only have a world full of people that agree with me, too, putting a bullet between this man’s eyes because he prefers acting like a woman is not the right move. The natural response is, “I don’t get it. I don’t like it. Let’s get rid of it.” I see that response on here a lot to numerous people and issues. That doesn’t mean, however, that we have to cater to his ridiculousness. There should never be gender neutral bathrooms, and if he wants to live that way, let him. Just don’t put the burden on those who live within the borders of sanity.
Report Post »lketchum
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 4:31pmFrom the article:
“Most college campuses make some sort of provision for transgendered students…”
Really? I mean, seriously? Really?
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 4:45pmwe call it an outhouse
Report Post »MCDAVE
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 8:11pmMens room ..ladies room….freak of natures room
Report Post »EqualJustice
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 4:31pmOMG, this is so insane. This means ANYONE can dress like a woman and then go into a ladie’s room? Rapes waiting to happen. Can we women have NO SAFE, private place? Ridiculous. I think all the females should SUE for invasion of privacy by allowing guys in the ladies room !
Report Post »loriann12
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 4:49pmI want to see a transgendered female go into the men’s room and use the urinal. Let’s see how she fares. Of course if some women find out there‘s a man in women’s clothes in the women’s room, “she” is liable to not be safe anyway.
Report Post »abbygirl1994
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 5:36pmHow about the school giving this “it” his own bathroom, if he screams foul, you know he’s a pervert!
Report Post »From Virginia
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 5:47pmThey did this in Montgomery County, Maryland – the WHOLE county. The qualifier isn’t even that a man has to be transitional. He could just “feel pretty” that day and walk into a woman‘ bathroom or women’s only dressing room/shower at a gym and still be dressed like a hairy biker.
The assualts have already skyrocketed.
Report Post »tzion
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 6:01pm@abbygirl
Report Post »Actually they did just that. Also, did anyone notice how he claimed that they wouldn‘t let him use the men’s room either? When did that happen or did he just make that up?
NHwinter
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 4:31pmAs if the Justice Dept. doesn’t have, or should have, better things to do. What a weird world we live in.
Report Post »Truthbeliever2
Posted on May 25, 2012 at 10:52amSad thing is we do not live in a weird world; we live in a weird country called the United States of America. We are the weirdo’s who propagate the idea that gender equality should extend beyond male and female people to those who call themselves “transgender”. Another made up word that is supposed to rank equally to male and female. America is weird, and stupid also…
Report Post »MrButcher
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 4:30pmThis is what cultural decline looks like: a 40 year old man dressed up like an ugly woman going to college with kids and wanting to use the ladies room.
Did Rome have this problem too?
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 4:37pmOf Course… Caligula slept with his Sister & his Horse (who he made a Senator)…
Report Post »deerfawn
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 4:30pmInteresting that this persons rights seem to be more important than the rights of all the females in the school using those bathrooms.
Report Post »Docrow
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 5:12pmupside down is the new right side up
Report Post »I.Gaspar
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 4:30pmLet’s see…
black panthers intimidate voters at polling place: No action by holder.
Arizona tries to protect itself from illegal aliens: Holder sues Arizona.
Fast and Furious kills hundreds, including border agents: Holder obstructs investigators.
“Woman” with a male package wants to use female restroom: Holder leaps to action and sues school.
If you vote for obama again, you’re either an idiot or dirty.
Report Post »Conservative1234
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 5:03pmHolder is beyond corrupt!!!!! He should be strung up by his short hairs for what the Black Panther’s did and he DID NOTHING!!!
Report Post »JellyToast
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 4:30pmThe end of public bathrooms!
Report Post »OK.. at some point people are just going to have say “We will not submit!” I‘d love to see Obama send in the national guard to accompany some man in a dress into the girl’s bathroom and stand guard while he/she sits in the stall! This is what we have come to! So what happens when this isn‘t enough and next year he thinks he’s really a horse? The going to do more surgery? It’s all insanity! Hey.. there’s no lines anymore…. maybe he’s not really a man.. maybe there’s a whole group of people living in there! Who’s to say! Go have an operation and become a couple! Maybe a whole family! Be part man/woman/boy and sister. Staple ears on your head and be the family dog too while your at it. Who are we to judge! Just don’t be a Christian! That’s abhorrent!
jeanmchambers
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 4:30pmwhat is the big deal? Americans are too sheltered. Da. There are countries around the world where men and women use the same restrooms. I think, being transgendered would be tough enough.
“Let he or she who has not sinned, cast the first stone.” Everyone has issues. Tell me, what is your little secret?
Report Post »ForMyKidsVA
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 5:00pmJEANCHAMBERS,
Just because there are a significant number of people in this world who defecate in a ditch doesn’t mean I need to be OK with it. Nor am I required to be OK with a man using a toilet next to my young daughter just because some other culture doesn’t care. That’s just SICK!!
As for my little secret? Well, let’s just say that mine in no way impacts others nor do I feel the need to impose myself on others.
Report Post »MountainJac
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 5:09pmI would like to see some facts backing up all of these global co gender washrooms you speak of. In fact, if you believed that you could say that sexual assault crimes are higher in countries other then America and then argue that co gender public bathrooms are the reason why. Also in most countries around the world, especially the middle east, LGBT’s are stoned to death if found out. So to think that American’s are too sensitive on the issue is ridiculous, most people I know don’t even blink when introduced to an LGBT person . The point is that she/he still has a penis, just because you put a dress on doesn’t mean the penis disappears, I say if you want to use the ladies washroom, loose the penis, until then you are a male who just happens to like dressing up like a female and peeing in ladies washrooms. Too many victim card‘s being played these day’s.
Report Post »PETTYDRAMA
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 4:28pmIm so glad the blaze is reporting on the real important issues of the day. Ladies and gentlemen, the TMZ of the right wing fringe…LOL!
Report Post »RedDirtTexas
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 4:37pmHey! What’s THAT? IT’s Pat!
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 4:43pmPETTYDRAMAQUEEN, Apparently you didn’t read that post from one of The Blaze staff directed at your similar post yesterday. Go back and read it, then try and comprehend.
Report Post »TXGal
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 4:48pmHow else would the truth get out except for the Blaze.
Report Post »RANGER1965
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 4:28pmOk… so get about 25-100 disgruntled women who don’t want to share a bathroom with a perverted male, and sue the Justice Department for not protecting their rights.
Get some women’s groups involved…yes they’ll hate it, because it goes against their liberal positions; but by virtue of who they are, they’ll have get on board and defend the women. Once this goes mainstream the department of justice will drop this case like a hot rock!
RANGER
Report Post »Bonnieblue2A
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 4:27pmWomen don’t want to use the bathroom with these freaks either! Please, use a single hole “handicapped” bathroom labeled: Gender-bender, and be done with it.
It is way past time to indict Eric Holder for contempt of Congress in regard to Operation Fast & Furious!
Report Post »Tri-ox
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 4:27pmEver since obama went gay, his LGBTs are gettin’ extra sporty.
Report Post »AJAYW
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 5:01pmTRI OX — heck if obama keeps evolving at this rate he will be getting his sex change on our dime……
Report Post »Steve28
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 4:26pmGee I’m so glad Eric Holder and our President are so concerned about the grave injustice done to this poor person. I’d hate for them to waste their time on trvial things like the Black Panters threats, OWS violence and destruction, getting the information to Congress on fast and furious etc.
Report Post »AJAYW
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 4:26pmThreatens- thats what holders all about- nothing about what the law is – just do as obama and I say or we will file a lawsuit. both are racist POS’s
Report Post »P C BE DAMNED
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 4:26pmSo let me get this right . You take a man, add some drugs and get a doctor to do surgery and then you have a woman. And people call me crazy. This is some stupid shi t and we all know it. It proves me right on so many things. Please God let there be a hell for this stuff. In Jesus name.
Report Post »Vicky in Cincy
Posted on May 25, 2012 at 11:53amYes, there is a hell for this malady. It’s called living a life of total personal conflict and being uncomfortable in your own skin. Many eventually commit suicide because they cannot handle the conflict of wanting to live the life you feel is right for you versus living a life that society expects you to live…just so you live according to someone else’s view of societal norms.
Try walking in their shoes and understand the pain of it instead of talking like uneducated idiots. I am a mechanical engineer, a conservative, A TEA party member and a follower and believer in od the Father, Jesus His son and The Holy Spirit.
I do not believe that God makes mistakes. He made this way for a reason…why He did I do not know. Honestly, I wish this hardship upon NO ONE, not even my worst enemy. Please pray for all of us GID (Gender Identity Disorder) afflicted persons to find peace in ourselves and in this world. We only want to live as the men and women that we are, not to be treated as “freaks” and social outcasts by the “hierarchy of society.”
Report Post »LetUsReason
Posted on May 25, 2012 at 2:52pm@ VICKY
This is no more a disorder than a quick temper is a disorder. When someone loses their temper, do you say, “You know, I feel bad that God created that person to smash windows and furniture when his wife burns dinner”? Although, people may have tendencies as a result of genetics (to lose one’s temper or to have attraction to the same gender), we must never discount the power of agency. God gave us the ability to choose our own course, to conquer weaknesses, and to turn them into strengths. When we see people give in to the world’s culture and to their own base desires, the wrong attitude is to question why God did this to some poor, confused soul. Henry Ford once said, “Whether we think we can or we think we can’t, we are right.” This person chose to be the person he is. From all evidence, he has an accountable mental state and the ability to choose his course without restriction from mental handicap, etc. Being weak does not make someone not responsible for actions.
Report Post »Vicky in Cincy
Posted on May 25, 2012 at 3:34pm@ Letusreason
“This is no more a disorder than a quick temper is a disorder.”
I understand your lack of understanding of us. Is GID a disorder? Some doctors refer to this as a medical issue even though GID is still listed in the DSM IV, section 302.85.
I was diagnosed as a girl when I was 10 y/o. I lived the life of a man until I was 53. I supressed every feeling in me for my entire life to be someone that I never was. I prayed to God for relief from this since I was 8 or 9; asking Him to make me a girl or to take it away from me. I realized when I transitioned that He had answered my prayer. It took me over 40 years to discern the answer.
Your reply to me is based upon your personal feelings that every aspect of our lives is a choice. A birth defect is not a choice! If this was a choice do you think that I would be willing to give up everything dear in my life? I lost my 23 year marriage, my wife-who was also my best friend, my family, my home, my church and many friends. I did not wake up one morning and decide to “screw up” my life on a whim and just CHOOSE to become a woman! Before you speak so authoritatively, please investigate what you comment upon. I am not angry with you nor do I wish to insult you but there is so much here that you are not aware of. This forum does not allow me to share everything. That would require that I write a book.
God has given me a new life! I am very active in my church, which is now the cornerstone of my life. I wish you
Report Post »Treaty
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 4:24pmThe Democrats are really screwing up this country. This freak needs to be shunned by society.
Report Post »LibertyGirl USA
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 4:22pmI am so glad the Justice Department is working on the real important issues of the day.
Report Post »Hades
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 4:43pmlol
Report Post »Mandors
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 4:22pmHave some guts, take them up on the threat. There are plenty of groups that would have your back. Justice LOSES if the University fights.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 8:13pmThis has to be an election year issue.
the had gender neutral bathrooms. They were creating more. the problem is that the university did not wish them into existence or did not embark an expensive rush job to build them.
I think the tranny is on a power trip. they lost 2 marriage 7 then a bitter custody case. then they see an university bending over backwards for them. they must have loved to see a big organization to do their beck & call. Only it was not fast enough
I am sick of this crap. the gays do not know what to think of trannies. They have no clue as to causation. Not one. They are going with it because it is just more ammo for their cause. There is no science behind it (or morality).
This is going to be reversed at some point but it is going be horrible until then.
Report Post »jhaydeng
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 4:15pmSorry if it‘s still attached you’re a dude! Use the urinals idiot!
Report Post »kaydeebeau
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 6:16pmaccording to DNA even when removed – still a dude
Report Post »justangry
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 4:15pmAnd a threat from Obama… Oh did we all hear he has appointed a “death czar”? Seems kind of important, but then again, Hustler doctored a picture of S.E.Cupp.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFs0lV42U7s&feature=youtu.be
Report Post »johnjamison
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 4:14pmThey need to put a stop to this crap asap. You got junk you use the mens room you don’t have junk you use the womens room.
Report Post »TSUNAMI-22
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 4:14pmWeirdo’s gone wild.
Report Post »salvawhoray
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 4:13pmFreak!
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