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Senior WH Advisor Forced to Apologize for Calling Homosexuality a ‘Lifestyle Choice’

White House senior advisor Valerie Jarrett issued a public apology Thursday for off-handed comments she made earlier in the week that many in the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered (LGBT) community took offense to. In an interview Wednesday with the Washington Post, Jarrett referred to homosexuality as a “lifestyle choice.”

“I meant no disrespect to the LGBT community, and I apologize to any who have taken offense at my poor choice of words,” Jarrett said in a written statement.

In the interview, Jarrett was casually referencing a speech she delivered last week to the Human Rights Campaign, a gay rights group, about teens who’ve committed suicide after being bullied about their sexual orientation. In praising one teenager’s parents, Jarrett noted: “These are good people. They were aware that their son was gay. They embraced him, they loved him, they supported his lifestyle choice. But yet when he left the home and went to school, he was tortured by his classmates.”

The LGBT blogosphere quickly condemned Jarrett’s remarks, calling her choice of words an “outrage.” Gay rights advocate Michael Petrelis, who believes a person’s homosexual behavior is not learned, derided the “obnoxious phrase.”

“Did she get her talking points from Tony Perkins and the Family Research Council? It’s doubly offensive that (WaPo reporter John) Capehart makes no effort to point out how dangerous Jarrett’s thinking is,” he wrote.

Similarly, at the liberal blog site Daily Kos, one blogger writes that Jarrett’s “lifestyle choice” comment “understandably angered” many in the LGBT community “because [being gay is] neither a lifestyle nor a choice.”

“That framing is one that bigots use against us and Jarrett should not have said it even if she meant well,” indiemcemopants writes. “I do think that the White House is uncomfortable discussing gay issues and they don’t talk to enough gay groups to find out the best way to communicate their message to us.”

In her apology Thursday, Jarrett says she simply “misspoke.”

“Sexual orientation and gender identity are not a choice, and anyone who knows me and my work over the years knows that I am a firm believer and supporter in the rights of LGBT Americans,” she said. “Most of all, I hope this does not distract from the issue I was asked about — the desperate, tragic decision by some young people who feel that their only recourse is to take their own lives because they are being bullied or harassed because they are gay, or because others believe they are gay. We must instill in young people respect for one another, and we must set an example of mutual regard and civility to create an environment that is safe for every person, regardless of sexual orientation or gender identity.”

Earlier this week, a Federal Judge in Virginia ruled that the military’s “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy was unconstitutional and ordered all pending investigations involving the policy halted. The White House also said it would appeal a federal judge’s ruling on the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA), giving the state of Massachusetts the right to authorize gay marriage.

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  • JesusFreak95
    Posted on October 14, 2010 at 6:51pm

    It doesn’t really matter either way. The behavior is wrong. If it’s “learned”, it is wrong, and if there is a biological component, it is still wrong. There are studies that show alcoholism and obesity may have genetic components as well, but that doesn’t make either something we desire as a society. We all have behaviors programmed into our genes. We can not act on all of those inclinations as many are destructive to ourselves or others around us. Our society can fool itself into accepting this behavior as “normal”, but in the end it will be damaging to both the individuals and the society that foster it. No matter what anyone says, they will take offense and find offense, because they want this behavior accepted as normal no matter the cost.

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    • Robert W
      Posted on October 14, 2010 at 7:32pm

      Well said. Ditto!

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    • Lion Tamer
      Posted on October 15, 2010 at 10:02am

      We are all born with certain inclinations that we must learn to say no to. The only way we know which impulses to say no to are by following the teachings of Scripture. Then we must seek God’s help to overcome our sinfulness.

      The root issue is who is in authority over our society? Our native born inclinations or God and the Scriptures?

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    • Robert W
      Posted on October 15, 2010 at 4:32pm

      Lion Tamer- They werent born with “inclinations”. God doesnt make mistakes. I have a homosexual in my family. I realize there a million different situations, but in this case he wasnt allowd to be a boy, play sports, get bumps and bruises. He was somthered by his mother and treated like a girl. Guess what happened?

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  • tarpon
    Posted on October 14, 2010 at 6:50pm

    So if it’s not a lifestyle choice then what is it?

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  • inferno
    Posted on October 14, 2010 at 6:50pm

    I have often wondered why certain people engage in strait as well as gay relationships. Does that mean that those aren’t life style choices ? If as some people claim, people are born gay or lesbian,does that mean some people are born AC / DC ? If so, where do they fit in our society ?
    What catagory do they fall within? If they are afflcted in someway, does that mean they are doubley afflicted ? I’m confused. If it is not a matter of choice, there must be an illness that causes all these things. Could it be a virus ? An infection like the common cold ? Perhaps it’s just a reflex action like sneezing !

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    • Mary M. Tebbe
      Posted on October 14, 2010 at 9:32pm

      inferno: The reason that we don‘t understand these things is because the Church no longer does its job in teaching God’s children. Sin separates a man from his God. God gave us laws that we were to follow in regard to our sexual behaviors. Sex was reserved for married couples, and was not to be exercised outside of marriage period. Homosexuality was pure and simple, a sin. But, we have forgotten all of that, or never were taught these things in the first place. Now that God has been taken out of our schools, and there are people that want it completely erased from our societies and way of life, the generations that are living on the earth now are in moral and spiritual decay because they are being denied these basic teachings about the values and principles that were once taught that made a society better.

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    • ThePest
      Posted on October 15, 2010 at 12:19am

      it is not a disease, an illness, or a problem until someone else objects to it. Consider this: can anyone be ‘forced’ to BE gay? No more than an elephant be forced into being a chicken. Well if your gay, you can’t be forced to be hetero either. While a lot of people want to make this something complicated and a mystery that needs to be solved, they are wasting their time creating problems where there really aren’t any, until you try and force someone to be something they aren’t.

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  • jfreak13713
    Posted on October 14, 2010 at 6:48pm

    If “they” were truly born gay then why do there seem to be so many who have sever mental and emotional problems? I know that in years past the “lifestyle” was not accepted to the degree it is today but for the most part being gay is cool now. So why if you are born gay and American society has seem to embrace the gay lifestyle are so many depressed? Why are they so unhappy? Why do they seem to drift from one partner to another? Because they are really not happy at all. They have been sold a lie and they have no idea now how to get out of it. I agree with Ms. Garrett that the lifestyle is a choice and in America that should be good enough. I don’t agree personally with the gay lifestyle or abortion or many liberal ideas but there is NOTHING illegal about being gay so if someone makes a choice to pursue that lifestyle then so go ahead! I’ll stay out of your bedroom and you stay out of mine. But whatever you do stop lying to yourself. You are not born this way.

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    • Jezreel
      Posted on October 14, 2010 at 7:02pm

      They are depressed because of spiritual oppression from sexual unions. Having sex is way more than physical. Even in a relationship between a man and a woman, Christ said that they become one flesh and one spirit. The apostle Paul also warned about those who join theirselves to a harlot, “don’t you know that when you join yourself to a harlot you become one flesh with her”? That is why a woman will often have emmotional problems and become depressed if her husband is having adultery with other women. He is picking up all these spirits and passing them off to her. I know this sounds crazy but there is more going on in the spiritual rhelm that what we can even know.
      Homosexuals and lesbians are very tormented people. That is why their agenda is very angry and very hateful.

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    • walkwithme1966
      Posted on October 14, 2010 at 7:58pm

      Why do straight people seem to drift from one marriage to another or one affair to another? Just asking!!
      http://wp.me/pYLB7-dX

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  • sdparker
    Posted on October 14, 2010 at 6:43pm

    She may have apologized, but her original statement IS what she believes. Since she believes their life style is a choice, their future will hinge on it as such. People like her don’t misspeak.

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  • Randyrocker
    Posted on October 14, 2010 at 6:41pm

    The apology is based on a fear of backlash from the LGBT community that she may lose their votes, that’s all. Barack loves the LGBT or so they think, now they have to wonder? Or not?

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    • jgmillionaire
      Posted on October 14, 2010 at 7:02pm

      Jarret doesn’t earn votes. She was appointed by Obama after a long, lucrative relationship stemming from their Chicago days together. She isn’t worried about losing votes for herself she is worried about Obama losing popularity because of her statements. Hence in the title it states she was forced to apologize.

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  • Rapunzel
    Posted on October 14, 2010 at 6:40pm

    Picture this: a billboard with 2 images. On the left, 2 flaming homosexuals in an embrace with the caption: This is a CHOICE. On the right, an aborted baby with the caption: This is MURDER. Or to be less shocking, on the right an ultrasound image of a baby with the caption: This is a LIFE.

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  • SonOfThunder
    Posted on October 14, 2010 at 6:38pm

    It is a choice. Turn to Jesus and he will forgive you.

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  • adifftake
    Posted on October 14, 2010 at 6:37pm

    lololololololololololololol. Oh my goodness! I should put her over my lap and spank her silly. lololololol.

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  • Jezreel
    Posted on October 14, 2010 at 6:37pm

    I do believe that these poor human beings do not have a choice because it is actually a form of demon posession. Has not anybody noticed that they all have the same voices when the speak and how their eyes look the same. When they were very young, they were weak and vulerable and did not have protection over them spiritually so they were taken captive by the will of satan. Some have tried in vain to change and they cry out as in that there is no hope. Some do try and do not understand why the way that they are. I do not believe that all of them have a choice. Some may have a choice but most of them do not.
    This is where the church truly need to step in with the power of God. For quite some time God has left the church because of it’s programs and the fact that many pastors and leaders are not ordained by God but rather ordained by man. When the temple of God is cleansed from the spirit of AntiChrist, (he sits in the temple of God saying that he is God) The temple of God is the body of Christ. When there is full restoration of the body of Christ with it’s functions and gifts, there will be a casting out of demons that is authentic and does not take after what organized religeon is using for entertainments and sensationalism is what they call casting out of demons. For once there will be true hope and freedom by the truth of the word of God and by true men of God that he will raise up that are anointed by Him.

     
    • Mary M. Tebbe
      Posted on October 14, 2010 at 9:02pm

      jezreel: Well that is nicely said. I believe you. I said on another blog that today when God looks down from heaven for His Church, all he sees is a ragged patchwork quilt of religions. He is looking for a Church without spot or wrinkle, all cut from the same cloth, but so far, we are not there. Religious leaders today treat the Bible like a smorgasbord, picking this and choosing that, and giving God’s Church muddy water to drink. They play fifteen minute sound-bites of their messages on television and then if you want to hear the rest of the sermon you have to pay them for it. All the while they build their mega Churches and empires on the backs of God’s children. In Old Testament days, in the days of Eli the priest, the Bible tells us that Eli’s sons put the three pronged fork into the container that held the meat for the sacrifices to God and they took the best part of the sacrifices for themselves. That’s what the Churches have done. They use every method conceivable to beg for the tithe and then they take the best part and build fine houses, mansions, palaces, and ranches, and steal from God and the Church what the people intended for the tithe to spread the gospel to the lost. God must be getting pretty sick of the way that our religious leaders treat His children. I’m almost embarrassed as I listen to these preachers on television tell us that God told them that if 1,000 people give $1,000 then God will bless you and meet your needs. What they really mean is that they‘ll be blessed and their needs will be meet and to heck with God’s people. I used to work for a television evangelist years ago and what I saw in my early twenties frankly made my stomach sick. It was the first time that I became disillusioned with the Church. Thankfully I was well enough grounded in the Scriptures that I did not turn away from God.

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    • WhiteFang
      Posted on October 16, 2010 at 4:40pm

      Mary,
      You said: He (God) is looking for a Church without spot or wrinkle, all cut from the same cloth, but so far, we are not there.

      I would suggest you visit, without prejudice, the unified world-wide Christian Congregation of Jehovah‘s Witness’s. They are already there, and have been for over a hundred years. They are conducting themselves properly and do not tolerate unrepentant sinners. http://www.watchtower.org

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  • Rapunzel
    Posted on October 14, 2010 at 6:36pm

    For once Jarret spoke truth and then she backed down from it! It is indeed a choice as is heterosexuality…as is staying a virgin until marriage, or remaining faithful to one’s spouse, or being honest, or any other human behavior. In fact LOVE itself is a choice – just look at the success of arranged marriages in so many cultures (and ours until a few generations ago!).

    Glenn made a couple of really good points last night – that which one generation tolerates the next embraces; and that which you gaze upon you will become. When I moved in with my boyfriend at age 18 in 1976 it was shocking (and a HUGE mistake!) – today it is commonplace. The denigration of marriage and family is being accomplished by our acceptance of homosexuality as a LIFESTYLE CHOICE, acceptance of bastard children with no stigma against the parents, and abortion on demand. Once marriage and family are gone so is society as we know it.

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  • Punky
    Posted on October 14, 2010 at 6:33pm

    Hhmm, well, if homosexuality isn‘t a lifestyle choice then it would follow that heterosexuality isn’t either. And since none of us seemingly have a choice in the matter, perhaps the government should divorce itself absolutely from the institution of marriage. I never thought they had any business there anyhow.

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    • ThePest
      Posted on October 14, 2010 at 11:56pm

      well at least you are seriously thinking here. Constitutionally, marriage should not be a government issue at all, and until it became a legal means to distribute benefits it never was a governmental issue. [benefits that are based on yet more unconstitutional mandates] Homosexuality has been around a 10% part of human existence for thousands and thousands of years, and when you think about it, it is probably not going to go away, ever. So, entitlements, are indeed the root cause of a whole lot of grief as I see it, and where did all the entitlements come from? Progressives, for the last 100 yrs. Get Government out of our lives and our lives will get better, and the 90% will have less of an issue with the 10%.

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    • riddlemethis
      Posted on October 16, 2010 at 2:28am

      ThePest
      I do like the way you think :) This whole debate is just too bad, and it does seem to have no end. I do lean toward gay = sin because of the stance the Bible takes, but when are we going to change the focus to what‘s right with people instead of what’s wrong with people. I mean really, doesn’t everyone harbor sin? Isn’t that why Jesus died? I believe that God created us, and if He did then He created us with a purpose. Since ALL of us are flawed in some way, can we just appreciate our fellow brothers and sisters for the beuty they posess and encourage them to accomplish what God created them for? Love covers a multitude of sins, and with so many commenters and readers here, exponentially more sins are represented. So if I may… Much love all, and I hope you all fulfill your purpose and live a prosperous life.

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  • Steverino
    Posted on October 14, 2010 at 6:28pm

    It’s truly amazing when the progressives totally remove the concept of “choice” from the discussion in this case. It works for “pro choice” nicely, however.
    It’s fine to CHOOSE to murder your baby, but you don’t have a CHOICE when it comes to a man ramming his unit “in through the out door”. Or ramming your own unit in.
    As for all of you evolution proponents: IF evolution were truly salient, homosexuality would have ceased millennia ago. The “species” would have died out. And before the slings and arrows start, I DO have gay friends. I don’t believe in their lifestyle choice, but, y’know, they may not believe in mine either. I’m considered “A BREEDER”, and it’s not a complimentary term. Maybe if more people were gay, it might stem the “population explosion”. Hmmmmmmmmm…….

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    • libertyordeath87
      Posted on October 15, 2010 at 8:32am

      So if its not a choice, are **** born as a top? A bottom? Does nature make sure that there are equal numbers of takers and givers in the *** community like nature makes sure that there are equal numbers of men and women? What about *****’s? Are they born that way or have they just grown to like the taste?

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  • bullcrapbuster
    Posted on October 14, 2010 at 6:23pm

    Pedophiles have no choice either,poor things. Neither do bigot or racists or scumbags. It is not a lifestyle choice they are born that way and cannot change. Yep we are all victims these days. lol

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  • GRuss
    Posted on October 14, 2010 at 6:20pm

    OK, maybe some of them are born that way, but no way are all of them born gay. Lifestyle influences choices. It can be the people you hang with or even your parents. That‘s why I don’t believe gay parents should be able to adopt.

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  • jreb50
    Posted on October 14, 2010 at 6:17pm

    The reason it angered the left is precisely because it is a choice. When you confront them with the truth, the only answer they have is anger and outrage.

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  • DivineMomentsOfTruth
    Posted on October 14, 2010 at 6:13pm

    Homosexuality is not a Nationality.. It’s not a Gender.. It’s not a Race.. It is a Lifestyle choice!!!

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  • Danglinbags
    Posted on October 14, 2010 at 6:01pm

    I’m not gay, but Keith Olbermann and Nancy Pelosi are seksie.

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    • adifftake
      Posted on October 14, 2010 at 6:39pm

      You’re not? My radar must be malfunctioning. See my comments and I’m not either. lololololol.

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    • Nvrforget
      Posted on October 14, 2010 at 8:46pm

      Your radar must be receiving some interference from a gay weather balloon.

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  • OreSota
    Posted on October 14, 2010 at 6:00pm

    So if it’s not a choice then is it possible that one day I could wake up and find myself in bed with another man?
    Or is it more likely that prior to waking up in bed with another man, one would have to choose to have relations with a man?
    Also, if this lifestyle is not a choice and something that people are born with, then don’t you think modern medicine would be able to develop a test so that parents would know ahead of time that their new baby will be gay?

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  • tucsonjefe
    Posted on October 14, 2010 at 5:59pm

    Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. Tell the truth, Val

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  • M31Sailor
    Posted on October 14, 2010 at 5:58pm

    Michael got his panties in a bunch over this?
    They can say about me “ my straight lifestyle is my choice” anytime
    Sailor

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  • Psychosis
    Posted on October 14, 2010 at 5:57pm

    it is a choice………….period a choice precipitated by failing standards and morals due to the lack of parents getting involved and teaching the kids. and all you lefties and gay that scream and hollar ………..go ahead pulling the victim card is just that ..pulling a card………your still wrong. but if you do choose that LIFESTYLE its your business, not anyone elses and i dont want to hear about it, or have it taught to my kids. PERIOD

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    • RealityCheck
      Posted on October 15, 2010 at 2:39am

      Ya, the next thing you know everyone is going to believe in Vampires. We have people who claim to be Vampires, live like Vampires so they must be real right? I‘m sure they are born Vampires aren’t you ?

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  • isit1984yet
    Posted on October 14, 2010 at 5:53pm

    If its “OK” to be homosexual then why does anyone take offense to it being a “choice?”

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    • LJSinAZ82
      Posted on October 14, 2010 at 7:41pm

      I totally agree!

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    • 123gone
      Posted on October 14, 2010 at 7:52pm

      There might be a fine line between the genetic sexual desires of a person; It might even be a mental or physical issue, but coming out of the closet and living as a homosexual cannot be called anything but a lifestyle choice!

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    • RAISINGCONSERVATIVES
      Posted on October 14, 2010 at 10:59pm

      PLEASE READ THIS! It may be long but it has a lot of good info……

      In Feb. 1988 two very smart Harvard educated men, named Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen wrote a book about a comprehensive public relations plan the had to advocate “gay rights”. The book is called: ‘After the Ball: How America Will Conquer Its Fear and Hatred of Gays in the ‘90s’. In this book they lay out their plan to manipulate the population into thinking differently about how Americans view the homosexual lifestyle. In their book they explain, “The campaign we outline in this book, though complex, depends centrally upon a program of unabashed propaganda, firmly grounded in long established principles of psychology and advertising.” Also, “To one extent or another, the separability and manupulability of the verbal label is the basis for the abstract principles underlying our proposed campaign.“ That is when ”gay rights” became the term to describe their movement. It took the focus off of what homosexuality really is and what Americans have known for years.
      Kirk and Madsen also advise activists to claim that they were “born” gay saying “We argue that, for practical purposes, gays should be considered to have been born gay, even though sexual orintation seems to be the product of a complex interaction between innate predispositions and environmental factors during childhood and early adolescence.” They also say, “To suggest in public that homosexuality might be chosen is to open the can of worms labeled ‘moral choices and sin’ and give the religious intransigents a stick to beat us with. Straights must be taught that it is as natural for some persons to be homosexuals as it is for others to be heterosexuals: wickedness and seduction have nothing to do with it.”
      We have been fed a very well calulated set of lies so that we will change the way that we think. The public has essentially been brainwashed into believing that this is an “acceptable” way of life. It is not.
      Check out the book “The Marketing of Evil” by David Kupelian (oh yeah…and also the Bible!!!)

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    • ThePest
      Posted on October 14, 2010 at 11:25pm

      Here is some food for thought for all of you who think choice has anything to do with being homosexual.

      I like chocolate, yet I do not like chocolate ice cream, I like some wines, not others, and I like some hard liquor not others, I like cream cheese and cheddar, but not feta nor limburger.
      While I choose not to eat the things I do not like, should I be condemned for not eating them?
      For those who need some perspective, I love people, not all people, but a lot of them. Some are women, some are men. Should I have to choose not to love someone because of their gender?
      I am always amused by this topic from the stand point of it is always, at it’s core, an issue about sex, nothing else, and rarely about love.
      In your relationship is sex the only thing that defines who you are? Freud might say yes,[but he thought sex was everything] I disagree. For mature people sex [in what ever form] is not the beginning and end of who we are, hetero or not.

      I will not go into biblical issues, for the simple reason that religion is taught to us, and what we are taught is what we tend to believe, even in the face of scholarly evidence to prove otherwise. Rarely will anyone who believes a thing to be so, challenge themselves to learn anything to the contrary or even consider the possibility they could be wrong. Opinion in this area changes, as one example Galileo, condemned for proving the earth revolved around the sun. There are many many others.

      If you are a man, do you have any idea what it is like to be a woman? or the reverse?
      If you are white can you know what it is to be black or chinese? or the reverse?
      If you are hetero, can you have any idea what it is to be gay? or the reverse?

      Everyone, regardless of gender, age, race, wealth, or nationality is biased in some way and the only thing that makes us the same is our ability as humans to learn and grow into understanding that we can’t know everything but aspire to learn all we can and try and love each other for who and what we are and accept that we are all different and yet the same.

      THAT is part of what makes America and our nation unique. That we have the LIBERTY to be who we are without being condemned for it.

      While Valerie Jarrett’s comments were indeed a poor choice of words, and I think she should have known better, I cannot find anything wrong with what she expressed about the bullying and prejudice that seems to be running rampant amongst us. Whether a child or an adult, no one in this country can approve of anyone being driven to suicide for being who they are, no one should be beaten or tortured either, that is not America. It is equally a poor choice to blow something like this out of proportion.
      Perhaps she believes it is a choice and a lifestyle. Did anyone ask her what she believes? I cannot reasonably condemn her for what she said if it is how she believes, even if I disagree with her.
      Mr Obama ‘seems’ to believe in Liberation Theology, i do not agree with it, but while I disagree with his belief, his policies and where he is taking us as a nation, I will not condemn him for his beliefs. In the same vein, I don‘t want them forced on me any more than I want anyone else’s forced on me.

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  • EgoBrain
    Posted on October 14, 2010 at 5:45pm

    So sick of everyone demanding apologies.
    Say your words, and stand by them. Without apology.

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    • WhiteFang
      Posted on October 14, 2010 at 6:11pm

      Yes, say what you mean, and mean what you say. Anything less is weak and shameful.
      So, homosexuality in all it’s forms is a sin.
      We all know what the Bible says about homosexuality, but here is another bit of information about choices we all make. James 1:14-15

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    • EgoBrain
      Posted on October 14, 2010 at 6:31pm

      I think it was weak of Valerie, to apologize. If we worry about who we’ll offend all day long, nothing will ever be said.
      Screw that.

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    • awakeandalive2
      Posted on October 15, 2010 at 3:12am

      right on EgoBrain. You will always have someone that’s offended when you say anything. She didn’t stutter or misspeak. I wish everyone would quit bowing down to the one ‘squeaky wheel’ all the time. Grow a spine and stand up for what you believe in.

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  • Alvin691
    Posted on October 14, 2010 at 5:43pm

    If it is a lifestyle choice, there is no way to play the victim card. On the other hand, if you are “born” gay, then some will think that they can find a “cure”.

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    • snowleopard3200
      Posted on October 14, 2010 at 6:30pm

      This is a “lifestyle choice” indeed, while there may be a possible (very unlikely) genetic connection to it, there is still “making your choice for that style of life!” (my words). Just as one has the choice to become a criminal or not, to study in school or not, to pursue your dreams big or small as you see fit.

      It is all about our choices.

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    • solaveritas
      Posted on October 14, 2010 at 6:51pm

      It is a “choice/disability”.

      There are four things that can be involved in manifestation of homosexual behavior/beliefs.
      1. Quantum physics (too complicated to describe here).
      2. Genetics (eg. a high voice, feminine mannerisms).
      3. Psychological response to life growing up (eg. response to a dominant mother).
      4. Current environment. (gay friends, society that tries to consider it “normal”).
      It can be a mental addiction caused by the combination of these different factors

      Though it is unique, it can be understood when compared to alcoholism. Alcoholism: Genetics may make your body “love” alcohol more, or make it less able to resist the addiction (eg. native Americans). Psychological response contributes if someone uses alcohol as a coping mechanism to a bad family life. Environment contributes in that it is sold everywhere, and considered “normal” to consume, even to inebriation.

      So, it is a combination of choice and disability. Some are more a slave to the addiction than others. It is unnatural and CANNOT BE CONSIDERED AN IMMUTABLE CHARACTERISTIC. However, gays (specifically the ones that were “mentally that way as young children”) need to be loved and guided and prayed for, so that society doesn’t drive them farther into their disability, but helps them get free of it.

      Some people are just nasty and CHOOSE to behave homosexually. Others have to handle other forces not their fault, but that ARE THEIR RESPONSIBILITY. Sometimes we get dealt a difficult hand, but that is no reason to change “normality” just out of pity.

      I have a grandson that was born into a religious family that did not abuse him. (the mother was dominant) From the age of two he very happily loved artsy things, purses, high heels, and dresses. Where did that come from? He was guided to boy things, loved, and prayed for and, the last I saw him, was six years old and otherwise fine.

      We should be kind, but stand firm in what is God’s design. (The nasty perverts that parade with vulgar behavior should be hosed down!!)

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    • angrymob
      Posted on October 14, 2010 at 7:13pm

      It is a choice but live and let live.

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    • Beauteous1987
      Posted on October 14, 2010 at 7:16pm

      Do you comment to every story just to get your link out? I am reporting every incident and encourage others to do it also.

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    • Robert W
      Posted on October 14, 2010 at 7:31pm

      Its a disordered choice. My Bible says so. Dont go with the flow, dead bodies float down stream. You can only fight against the current if your alive spiritually. Pray for gays.

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    • Robert W
      Posted on October 14, 2010 at 7:38pm

      solaveritas- Your wrong, there is no “gay gene”. The gay lobby sunk loads of money trying to scientifically back up the gay lifestyle. It failed. No such gene exists.

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    • angrymob
      Posted on October 14, 2010 at 7:49pm

      @ Robert W

      I agree homosexuality is a choice and that it‘s not in alignment with God’s best…that‘s why the Bible says it’s “sin” to begin with: because it‘s outside God’s best just like with anything else he lists as “sin”.

      But why make homosexuality an issue? God says if you broke one of my commandments you’ve broken them all. We need to approach gay people with the truth in a more loving way.

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    • angrymob
      Posted on October 14, 2010 at 7:56pm

      @ Robert W

      So in other words I kinda agree with you. :))))

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    • Robert W
      Posted on October 14, 2010 at 8:04pm

      angrymob- your obviously liberal on social issues, as evidenced by all your posts. We aint buyin it. Dont waste your time.

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    • Mary M. Tebbe
      Posted on October 14, 2010 at 8:24pm

      alvin691: Choosing the gay lifestyle is just that, a choice. Romans 1: 18 – 32 tells us: The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities – his eternal power and divine nature – have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles. Therefore GOD GAVE THEM OVER IN THE SINFUL DESIRES OF THEIR HEARTS TO SEXUAL IMPURITY for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator – who is forever praised. Amen. Because of this, GOD GAVE THEM OVER TO SHAMEFUL LUSTS. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their PERVERSION. Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a DEPRAVED MIND, to do what ought not to be done. They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
      The flip side of that is that Jesus Christ died for sinners, and His blood on Calvary COVERED EVERY SIN, EVEN HOMOSEXUALITY. God gives the sinner a way out, and forgives their sin and remembers it no more. Through the blood of Jesus Christ, shed for us, there is HOPE for EVERYONE!

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    • chazman
      Posted on October 14, 2010 at 8:24pm

      Self destruct! Self destruct!! Hve we ever seen anything like the NOBAMA WH? God, when will it all STOP???????

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    • angrymob
      Posted on October 14, 2010 at 8:25pm

      @ Robert W

      I lean right where it counts most…fiscally!

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    • NukeHaze
      Posted on October 14, 2010 at 8:25pm

      Solaveritas: I take it that your name is meant to allude to “only truth”. I am not drinking your Kool-Aid. But, by all means, I am intrigued by your quantum physics comment would thoroughly appreciate you bringing that aspect of the homosexual lifestyle choice together with it and making the sound argument instead of pretending you could talk physics and be therefore elite and over the rest of our heads. I believe you highly underestimate the caliber of intellect with which you are making this “discussion”. It is a liberal cop out to say that you COULD explain it to someone but you just wouldn’t understand it anyway so you therefore will not do so. The lifestyle is a choice. The act is a choice. The consumption of things are choices just as are vices. I dare say we were all born hungry, tired, confused, etc. We were not born with an innate desire to behave against procreation and the perpetuation of our species.

      The societal acceptance of this lifestyle and its problems is an attack against the family unit itself and is meant to undermine God in the lives of as many as it can affect. This is indeed narcissism gone crazy. Narcissistic people such as the politicians who believe they are elite and that could be none higher than them, believe that they give people rights, not God, and they know what choices are best for us, not wishing to allow us to make them for ourselves. Ironic how they cop out on the “choice” of lifestyle but inflict their elitism of “choice” on those of us who believe that babies in the womb are human beings and should have rights once conceived. Unbelievable is the fact that ANY political party would want to abort future voters. I mean, after all, they have the voting indoctrination centers, MTV, Nickelodeon, etc., already in place and running full speed.

      Returning from digression, quantum physics has nothing to do with it. Neither does nuclear physics, nor astrophysics. It is a choice… a perverse one at that. Your liberal agenda, progressives, will apparently make that one for you by telling you that you were born that way so your feelers do not get hurt thereby rationalizing it and keeping it from hurting so bad.

      Live and let live but do not pee on my leg and try to tell me it is raining.

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    • *************************
      Posted on October 14, 2010 at 8:38pm

      “Lifestyle Choice”
      Oops, pardon the slip … LOL!

      See? Progressives / communists / liberals / democrats don’t believe that ****-propaganda! ******* don’t believe that BS (Basically Stupid)! Even YOU don’t believe it! (If you do, you’re full of BS [see definition] … and EVERYONE ELSE knows it!) :D

      REV. JOHNSON: “Order. Order! Goddamnit, I said order!”
      HOWARD JOHNSON: “Y’know, Nietzsche says, ‘Out of chaos comes order’.”
      OLSON JOHNSON: “Oh, blow it out your ass, Howard.”
      -Blazing Saddles

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    • jds7171
      Posted on October 14, 2010 at 8:40pm

      It is a lifestyle choice. I choose to be really attracted to asain women (primarily chinese) because I think about them all the time. I do the same with brazilian women too. If I wanted to, I could say that I am gay and attracted to men. All I have to do is just think about a guy like that. I choose not to. Or i could do blondes that are tall and have no butt. I choose short asain girls that have buts (they are hard to find).

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    • angrymob
      Posted on October 14, 2010 at 8:47pm

      @ Robert W

      We don’t have to agree on everything…so leave me alone, ok?

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    • Robert W
      Posted on October 14, 2010 at 8:56pm

      Angrymob- fiscal issues are not the most important. God blesses societys who are moral. Study history, like for instance the Roman empire. The moral demise of a society always precedes the ultimate demise of a society. Over and over it proved true in many fallen empires. We need to wake up morally or whats coming will make 9-11 seem like a picnic.

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    • ozz
      Posted on October 14, 2010 at 9:13pm

      Homosexuality is a choice. I have heard gays say they love to turn straight guys. Also there are many who have decided to give up the life style and become hetero. Neither would be possible if it was not a choice. Not to mention countless studies showing it is a CHOICE, that were done before they forced society to pay lip service to their lie. The lie is there so their life style CHOICE can be treated like race or gender in discrimination issues.

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    • angrymob
      Posted on October 14, 2010 at 9:14pm

      @ Robert W

      I’ve stood up for what I believe – I said I agreed with you a little (I just don’t think this should have been made an issue) BUT I just feel that isn’t enough for you. Where we disagree seems to be an obstacle for you and not believing what I say means you’re calling me a liar. :(

      I came to this message board to find people who at least agree with me on issues important to me and feel the way I do on SOME NOT ALL of those issues.

      I agree God is more important to money and I withdraw my last statement.

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    • AmericanPatriot01
      Posted on October 14, 2010 at 9:27pm

      IT’s no more a “choice” of being gay, than the choice I have to follow the word of God as a Chritian. I have no Ill will against people that are gay (or whatever), Hey “live and let live”. But, for me, there is no choice about it. It’s a sin against God and they will face their maker eventually, on their judgement day they will be judged. It is not for me to dondemn them. I will not attempt to persuade them or voice my opinions until it directly infringes on my personal liberty or life.

      Sory if that offends anyone, It’s just the truth, learn it, get over it. Don’t make it my fault, i just pointed out the violation.

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    • Robert W
      Posted on October 14, 2010 at 9:28pm

      Angrymob- Im not tryin to beat ya up. Were all in this boat together brother. We need to lock horns once in awhile, thats how we learn. I spent most of my life a disengaged knucklehead, and it wasnt until I started taking my faith seriously that the Holy Spirit started leading me to truth. God Bless

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    • uneedmorekoolaid
      Posted on October 14, 2010 at 9:42pm

      Guess Valerie let her honest feeling “out of the closet”.

      i agree with mean what you say and say what you mean. I think she was telling the truth the first time. If we were always so worried about who might get offended then we would still be apart of the british empire.

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    • angrymob
      Posted on October 14, 2010 at 9:43pm

      @ Robert W

      I’ve been a Christian half my life and yes sometimes I catch myself being too apathetic on some issues…perhaps I let things slide too much. I think that’s more true than me being a liberal on social issues. This has been a learning experience for me…:))))

      “You shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses of Me…” (Acts 1:8)

      :)))))

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    • angrymob
      Posted on October 14, 2010 at 9:45pm

      @ Robert W

      Also, I’m female. :))))

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    • solaveritas
      Posted on October 14, 2010 at 10:34pm

      @Robert W
      You misunderstand me. I agree that there is NO GAY GENE. But there can be genes that make a person more susceptible to alcohol, or feminine appearance, etc. It is just one of a COMBINATION of factors that give someone the disability/disorder.

      In addition, the term you use, “disordered choice”, is a good one because it carries the connotation of both a choice and a disorder (which can be helped along by genetics, psychosis, and environment) that makes it “unnatural”.

      Again, there is no gay gene, and we should all demand that anyone who says it is a genetic certainty show the good science to back up their claim (there is none).

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    • Robert W
      Posted on October 14, 2010 at 10:36pm

      sorry sister lol, I learned alot spiritual wise by watching Father John Corapi (check out his conversion story) and Rev. Billy Graham videos. Both great men of God. Also reading everything I can get my hands on. Including authors who I disagree with.

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    • Jamestown
      Posted on October 14, 2010 at 10:38pm

      Its a lifestyle choice….of eternal hell fire…no gene just wrong behavior….ok …ok…how do the **** decide decide who hell cuts the turkey when they experience thanksgiving?……mike ro wave…what kind of answer is that

      Jamestown  
    • angrymob
      Posted on October 14, 2010 at 10:47pm

      @ Robert W

      Personally, I like Charles Stanley (from In Touch Ministries) and I’ve been a witness for Christ to my relatives…now I have my grandma watching Joel Olsteen (book “Best Life Now”) …she says when she visits relatives in Houston she wants to go to his church…I couldn‘t be happier that she’s a believer now!!!!

      Just thought I’d share that with you. And God bless you too. :)

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    • Robert W
      Posted on October 14, 2010 at 11:07pm

      Johnstown- Go to the Huffington Post blog where you belong.

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    • angrymob
      Posted on October 14, 2010 at 11:53pm

      @ Robert W

      Went to wikipedia and found Father John Corapi ‘s story…very inspirational. Boy did he go through alot!

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    • Robert W
      Posted on October 15, 2010 at 12:35am

      No gay bee no judgement here. Facts are facts. If it is a healthy lifestyle then why is the life expectancy of a gay male 46 yrs old? Why is the biggest percentage of domestic violence done by lesbian couples? Are these people evil, no but they are disordered and the right to marry wont fix the problem. If its against God it aint ever gonna work. Now there is a gay organization of heroic people called COURAGE. They have same sex attraction yet refrain from acting on it. Heroic indeed.

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    • Robert W
      Posted on October 15, 2010 at 1:57am

      Angrymob- also if you want some good spiritual reading get the Diary of Saint Faustina. It was a definite turning point in my life. God Bless

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    • shuggie
      Posted on October 15, 2010 at 5:09am

      Alvin … you nailed it …. If it is a choice then we have no victims. No “Social Injustice” cause for a progressive agenda. Valerie Jarret’s statement was a pretty harmless generality but in this case the activist chose to reconcile their own relevancy in the light of “choice”. Michael Petrelis kicked over some chairs because choice makes the cause, him, less relevant. Not because the statement is harmful to those who really believe, or may actually have been born predisposed.

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    • Bauervision
      Posted on October 15, 2010 at 8:13am

      If gay people are born that way–which is opposed to our view of God’s plan as it is read in the Bible, then He must have known all along that when He said to be “fruitful and multiply”, that we were going to take Him seriously, and since our planet is only a limited size, He figured we might need homosexuals one day as the only viable form of population control.
      Outside of that view, it is a choice.

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    • quickone
      Posted on October 15, 2010 at 9:44am

      Isn’t hetrosexual marrige and lifestyle choice? You could stay single.

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    • elfinmagic75
      Posted on October 15, 2010 at 2:34pm

      If it‘s not a lifestyle choice then people who say they are born to be murderers shouldn’t be convicted because they had no choice. Same situations with Adulterers, Rapists, Swingers, and any other person who believes they were born the way they are. Granted some of the above are not ilegal, but they are looked down apon. I choose to be straight because I love women and the thought of being with someone like me repulses me. They choose to be gay or bi-sexual because they like people of the same sex. I don’t understand what the whooplah is all about. Every choice we make in life is a life choice. Reguardless of whether we are born with it, bread with it or learn it.

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    • UPSETVET
      Posted on October 16, 2010 at 7:03am

      Nobody is “born gay”. That’s ridiculous. The LGBT movement would like everyone to believe that the cause of homsexuality is genetic but there’s absolutely no scientific proof for such a claim. It is exactly what Valarie Jarrett called it, “ a lifestyle choice ”. ALL homosexuals CHOOSE to be gay and are not forced into homosexualism by their genes. Does a bank robber rob banks because he or she was ” born that way?“ Does a child molester have a sexual preference for children because he or she was ” born that way? ” Call homosexuality what it is, a perverted lifestyle choice and not a birth defect.

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    • TheLibertyBelle
      Posted on October 16, 2010 at 8:12am

      Our constitution allows you to make your own choices. I want the government out of the bedroom. If you don’t like the gay lifestyle, fine. But you should not have a legal say in it. It is not the government’s concern if you want to sleep with the football team or with someone of the same sex. These are the kind of topics that scare democrats from the conservative/republican party. Although I do not believe in free wheeling sexual behavior, from a political standpoint, it’s not a concern of the government. I would like to focus on our constitutional rights and stay out of social engineering. You can’t have freedom and have everyone agree with what other people are doing. I prefer this situation rather than the one where one group of people decides what is morally appropriate and then enforces the rule on everyone else. I look at some of these young people with tattoos and piercings and I cringe. But they have a right to do it. If we can keep our freedom and free market, we have a fighting chance. Eventually, most people get to a point in life where they seek a relationship with God and peace in their lives. That is the real choice you have to ALLOW people to make for themselves. Some of the self righteous talk about lifestyle choice or born gay… whatever. The truth is whether you are gay or alcoholic or sexaholic or foodaholic, everyone has some kind of problem to resolve in their life. We need to be loving, kind, and patient. But our government needs to be restricted to following our constitution!

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