Obama Spiritual Advisor Wallis’ Bizarre Beck Obsession Goes to New Zealand: Says Glenn is Afraid of Christians
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Buster-Siren
Posted on December 2, 2010 at 11:39pmBy the way, Wallis has it really wrong when he says Christianity has “personal salvation AND social justice at its core.” No such thing. Personal salvation yes. But social justice is not at the CORE of Christianity. It’s a piece of it – it’s an outgrowth of personal salvation but the core of Christianity is helping other people see their need for personal salvation. social justice is the outgrowth of a society that has so many Christians in it that it just naturally lives and abides by Godly principles – which is what ultimately brings about social justice.
There can be no Biblical thing called “social justice” when society insists on sinning against God. It’s such an irony to hear the same people calling for “social justice” also calling for same-sex marriage! THE TWO ARE INCOMPATIBLE. You can’t have a just society when the society as a whole condones such sins.
Also, “social justice” IS NEVER MENTIONED IN THE BIBLE! Derivatives of “saved” and “salvation” are mentioned many times, but the phrase “social justice” doesn’t appear even a single time. So it could hardly be the core of Christianity!
Report Post »KEA
Posted on December 2, 2010 at 11:39pmIm all for Social Justice but ONLY if you can show me where you find it in the BIble! ITS NOT THERE!
Report Post »Eyore
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 8:14pmUm In case you haven’t noticed progressives just make crap up
Report Post »And if a Progressive makes it up it is true
If you don’t believe me just ask one
Tallbriar
Posted on December 2, 2010 at 11:34pmGuy reminds me of our Cadre when I was a stupid kid toying around in the SDS in college. And his two groupies remind me of me at that time in my life, except they should be old enough to know better.
Report Post »Sunnyr
Posted on December 2, 2010 at 11:34pmThis dude’s chickens are coming home to roost. He LIED through his teeth. Glenn Beck has NEVER called this Marxist Motha’ a “nazi.” He might have called him a Communist because that is exactly what he is. He is so finished and so is Captain Clueless, in 2012! We will NEVER allow Obozo to turn this beautiful country into a Socialist third world craphole. Good frickin’ luck!
Report Post »Eyore
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 8:15pmHe has already done it with the help of Bush
Report Post »MrButcher
Posted on December 2, 2010 at 11:33pmTHIS IS GLENN’S BIGGEST MISTAKE!!!!
he relies too much on religion!
the debate over religious “social justice” will and can never be won by american conservitive christians in the international format! it can’t. this was a poor fight to pick.—-not to say I don’t agree, as an atheist, that if you were to believe in religion it should be “personal” but that is NOT how the rest of the world thinks. from european christians to the islamists.
(i could write a book about this)
Folks, seriously, don’t take this bait.
Glenn is wrong on this.
Salvation and religion are personal matters.
Attack this cat, willis, politically!! ideas.
the same with the left.
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this debate marginalizes us.
Report Post »WoodsCrossian87
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 1:49amDo you not, sir, rely on your own religion just as heavily?
Report Post »But you’re right about religion and salvation being personal matters, which is precisely the reason Glenn warns against collective salvation. He believes salvation is achieved on an individual level, but the collectivists don’t.
You seem bent on applying atheism to justify your claims, so is there a problem you have with Glenn applying his beliefs OTHER than that he believes in God when you do not?
flagkeeper
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 3:35amSince Atheism is a religion all its own, I suppose one could call you an evangelical atheist (which is fine by me). However, I am afraid I must inform you that when the “dust settles”, you will not likely be in the company of friends, even when the common enemy is defeated. We Chrisitans (Glenn included) surround you, too. You would be wise to tread lightly, especially once you discover this empirically. The enemy of my enemy is not my friend, and the patriotic plankton will learn this in time, because the truth is indeed a whale. Fire breathing and foul language won’t make you many friends here. No matter what your purpose here, if you are smarter than your comments imply, then you might want to give a little more consideration to your posts and remember that this site exists because of Glenn. The term crapping where you eat comes to mind.
Report Post »BTW – Atheism and Communism go together like peas and carrots. Apparently, being godless, or worshipping one’s self is necessary to sleep at night when the murder of millions is sanctioned by law.
ds7
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 11:07amglenn doesn’t have to “teach” his religious beliefs to the masses. the major religions of the day “teach for doctrine the commandments of men, having a form of godliness but denying the power thereof”…
the people are thirsting for answers, ever learning, but never coming to a knowledge of the truth. glenn has exposed just how illiterate americans are about their own history, and he is also exposing just how illiterate they are about who jesus christ was and the purpose of his birth, life, death and resurrection.
the “christians” who attack glenn’s religious beliefs use the same tactics as the democrats/progressives/liberals/progressives do to attack his faith in the founders and the system they set up. the latter-day saints believe these men were inspired and directed by god, that america is a land choice above all others. glenn is just sharing with the nation what mormons already understand on this one issue:
“No people can maintain freedom unless their political institutions are founded upon faith in God and belief in the existence of moral law. God has endowed men with certain unalienable rights and no legislature and no majority, however great, may morally limit or destroy these. The function of government is to protect life, liberty and property and anything more or less than this is usurpation and oppression.
The Constitution of the United States was prepared and adopted by courageous men acting under inspiration from the Almighty. It is a solemn contract between the peoples of the states of this nation which all officers of government are under duty to obey. The eternal moral laws expressed therein must be adhered to or individual liberty will perish. It is the responsibility of government to punish crime and provide for the administration of justice and to protect the right and control of property. But today these basic principles and concepts are being flaunted, disregarded and challenged, even by men in high places. Through the exercise of political expediency the government is condoning the breakdown of law and order.” (Ezra Taft Benson, An Enemy Hath Done This, pages 4-5)
Report Post »Jabber
Posted on December 4, 2010 at 6:13pm“THIS IS GLENN’S BIGGEST MISTAKE!!!!
he relies too much on religion!
“The debate over religious “social justice” will and can never be won by american conservitive christians in the international format!”
And this is YOUR biggest mistake. Most American conservative Christians have absolutely ZERO interest in “winning a debate” over “social justice”, international or otherwise. Most American conservative Christians couldn’t care less how or what Europeans or Islamists “think” about it. If you do “write a book about it”, most American conservative Christians will have no desire to read it
American conservative Christians know the difference between someone who “relies too much on religion” and someone who relies on God with “all their heart, with all their mind, with all their might and with all their soul”. And most of them understand that IF this republic is saved, it will not come about through “attacking this cat Wallis” or debating with you on cults, Mormonism, or even politics. It will only come by and through the power and grace of the God to whom this entire world and everything on it belongs.
Whether you “believe” in something or not does not alter its existence in the slightest.
Report Post »Buster-Siren
Posted on December 2, 2010 at 11:32pmAmericanLass – Mormon though isn’t Christian either. It may have some things in common with it, but the Book of Mormon then takes it into an entirely different direction that Christianity was never meant to go in. God bless Glenn Beck and all the other Mormon American patriots. But don’t be confused into thinking Mormonism and Biblical Christianity are the same thing. They’re not at all.
Report Post »javasport
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 12:58amSpoken from words of a person who has never read it.
Report Post »“And we talk of Christ, we rejoice in Christ, we preach of Christ, we prophesy of Christ, and we write according to our prophecies, that our children may know to what source they may look for a remission of their sins” (2 Nephi 25:23, 26).
kramh
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 12:59amI do find your comments about the doctrines of the Mormon faith and the Book of Mormon rather unimformed. Many Christian churches today base the claim about Mormons not being Christian on the Nicene Creed. Mormons do not believe that the creed describes the relationship of God the Father and his son Jesus Christ. It is very interesting to read the history of the Nicene Council. This was done to settle a dispute between Alexander and Arius. The emperor Constantine was very involved in the forming of the creed. He wasn’t a Christian at the time. A great book to read is by James L. Barker, Apostasy from the Divine Church if you can find it.
Report Post »bullcrapbuster
Posted on December 4, 2010 at 2:45amPracticing mormons are not only Christians but by my observation are exlemplary Christians.
Report Post »Buster-Siren
Posted on December 2, 2010 at 11:30pmTruth is – it’s WALLIS who is afraid of Christians. Because like JohnnyJT said – he’s not one! He’s a communist. And communists KNOW that their only TRUE OPPOSITION will come from real Christians. That’s why they work so hard to silence and neutralize us.
http://FreedomTorch.com
Report Post »MrButcher
Posted on December 2, 2010 at 11:44pmthat’s not true!
communisms only opposition can come from freedom-loving free thinkers who REFUSE TO WORSHIP ANY THING!!!!!
get a helmet and get in the damned game!!!!
here
Report Post »BlueStrat
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 4:59am@ Mr. Butcher
“communisms only opposition can come from freedom-loving free thinkers who REFUSE TO WORSHIP ANY THING!!!!!”
Being religious does not in and of itself define an individual’s ability to be a “free thinker”. This is a false premise. It is only when a religious person allows the doctrine of their religion to blind them to actual facts and reality that there is a problem. This happens, but not to everyone who is religious or 100% of the time. Most religious people are not fanatical.
It’s not just a belief in a God that can, has, and does cause people to ignore facts and reality. Any fanatically-held belief can cause this phenomenon. Fanatical Atheists, Communists, Socialists, Flat-Worlders, PETA activists, etc etc all fit this profile.
Communism & Socialism have been opposed pretty well by free countries whose populations were mostly religious, and the framework of laws and society were mostly derived from religious ideas of justice and societal structure.
As a matter of fact, the ONLY effective opposition to Communism & Socialism so far has been from Capitalism whose populations tend to be majority religious to at least some degree. That’s why Communists and Socialists when in power try to eliminate religion, as they wish the population to worship the State and not a God.
Report Post »JohnnyJT
Posted on December 2, 2010 at 11:25pmWallis is No Christian… He is Commiunist
Report Post »AmericanLass
Posted on December 2, 2010 at 11:24pmWallis is like a wolf in sheeps clothing. Mormon is Christian. He needs to do some home work before talking about something he doesn’t understand.
Report Post »Eyore
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 8:12pmOnly people that belive what he belives are Christians
Just ask him he’ll tell you
Report Post »Gunonesis
Posted on December 2, 2010 at 11:22pmBEWARE OF THIS MAN–HE IS CONSIDERED BY SOME TO BE A MARXIST IN CLERGY CLOTHING–A LATTER-DAY JUDAS. His far-left background, includes anti-capitalist views and support of Communist and terrorist regimes. He founded an anti-capitalist magazine called Post-American later renamed Sojourners where he called for the redistribution of wealth and government managed economies. He works with the current administration to deceive and lure religious voters to the Democrat Party. He a big social justice advocate, steal from the makers and redistribute to the takers. Wallis has also received funding from the well-known atheisist/socialist/marxist George Soros.
Report Post »Conserving Ink
Posted on December 2, 2010 at 11:21pmAfraid of Christians, that would explain all the religious talk on his show. He’s talking his way through his fears.
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http://conserving-ink.blogspot.com/2010/12/government-we-didnt-elect.html
HillBillySam1
Posted on December 2, 2010 at 11:16pmThe New Zealand couple acted like Wallis was a rock star. I may be mistaken but I think the guy wet himself while bobbing enthusiastically to Wallis’ comments. I was just thinkin’, though…..if Wallis really wants “dialogue”, then how come he never goes anywhere except MSNBC. I think that he might be fibbin’. Perhaps he can explain the audio where he confesses to being a socialist radical. But then again, the explanation has already been made. He is a radical socialist trying to hide behind Christianity. The “Beck is afraid of Christians” remark is of course a slap against Mormons. Beck is a Mormon. He is the “real” enemy according to Wallis. Wallis is about as much of a Christian as Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson.
Report Post »manymoons768
Posted on December 2, 2010 at 11:15pmThe word christian means one who believes in JESUS the CHRIST, also someone who is CHRIST like; Glenn Beck is more of a christian then most of the people who claim to be so. Many serve another god called satan. love ya Glenn.
Report Post »pamela kay
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 1:34amaMEN
Report Post »J.C. McGlynn
Posted on December 2, 2010 at 11:12pmWallis wishes he was a real “CHRISTIAN.”
Report Post »WaterH2O
Posted on December 2, 2010 at 11:11pmI am a Spiritual Advisor too. and tell this fool is to GO TO HELL!
Report Post »NickDeringer
Posted on December 2, 2010 at 11:10pmGlenn needs to rent a billboard near this guys home and publicly challenge this guy to come on his show. He won’t of course, but it will make him think twice before smearing Beck again.
Hitting a progressive with truth is like throwing holy water on a vampire.
Report Post »royalstar
Posted on December 2, 2010 at 11:09pmI think Wallis is the spooky dude! He just reiterated his socialist/communist philosophy. Glenn is really living rent free in his head. He has been exposed for the radical that he is. What a phony! I see why B.O. seeks so called spiritual advice from this guy.He is a white Jeremiah Wright.
Report Post »WTH
Posted on December 2, 2010 at 11:08pmWallis couldn’t handle the truth that Beck would reveal. This guy Wallis is definitely NOT a Christian. If he is then that religion is screwed. Such evil hides behind that calm voice.
Report Post »RobertCA
Posted on December 2, 2010 at 11:07pmGlenn never said that + this wannabe Christian is a liar .
Report Post »untameable-kate
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 12:17amThey all lie about conservative men and women. If this man had ever seen Glenn Beck he would know that his words are a lie, his accusations false. He doesn’t care about the truth, he wants to smear. He will be successful too, his audience is hanging on his every word.
Report Post »Cuthalu
Posted on December 2, 2010 at 11:07pmDoesn’t the bible warn us against false prophets like this Wallis guy? Glenn, seriously you or someone else with a voice to be heard NEEDS to call this guy out. How many more of God’s people have to be tricked into the poison that false prophet Wallis spoon feeds them before someone says enough?
Report Post »snowleopard3200 {mix art}
Posted on December 2, 2010 at 11:44pmYes it does, found in Isaiah 8:20 (with reference to v19) “Unto the law and to the testimony; if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.”
Galatians 5:19-21 the lusts of the flesh
Galatians 5:22-23 the fruits of the spirit
And Jesus declared “By their fruits you shall know them.”
This is the markings of a follower of God, or of the Spirit of Darkness.
In the matter of collective salvation and social justice; these are fallacies of the highest order brought onto the land for control of people. Salvation and Redemption are the grace of God through Jesus; they are a free gift, to be accepted or rejected by the individuals themselves.
This belief of collective salvation falls apart very simply with a story of the book of Ezekiel…
Ezekiel 18:1-32 it speaks of three separate generations; the father (righteous in Gods eyes), his son (rebels against God), and the grandson (righteous in God’s eyes) each one responsible for his OWN sins committed (in the sons case) or avoided (Father and Grandson) in the relationship with God.
Collective Salvation of people and communities is a fallacy of a magnitude to the Rapture junk and the Left Behind series of books.
Fantasies and dangerous ones at that.
Here are two other stories that may be of interest…
Report Post »Ezekiel 331-7 (the watchmen)
Ezekiel 33:11-20 (righteous man/wicked man; single person in examples)
MrButcher
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 12:10amhell,
I’ll warn you about anyone who tells you they understand the incomprehenisble.
beware the knowers. beware the believers.
stand for yourself, honestly and truly.
tyranny will tell you it “knows”
but it doesn’t. it just wants company
snowleopard is a tyrannical christian just like Wallis. trying to beguile a scared flock.
run, run, run and
fight ‘em all, cuthalu.
fight for individuality and truth
(sorry snow, but you tend to be a little over zealous and that needs to be taken down a notch)
Report Post »dontbotherme
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 7:22pmbutcher – snowleopad is trying to lead people to God. You are trying to lead them away from God. You mock people for exercising their God given freedom to practice their faith. Your true soul is showing. Open our eyes & your heart.
Report Post »MrButcher
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 11:53pm@dontbotherme
bingo.
Report Post »AynRandLives
Posted on December 2, 2010 at 11:05pmLet‘s see Wallis on Glenn’s show. May Truth win over Evil.
Report Post »adjams
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 8:03amThis a million times! Why wont Glenn have Wallis on his show? As far as I can tell Wallis has the upper hand here because he is asking for a dialogue, Glenn challenges the white house and soros to come on (or call) his show. Wallis (who I am no fan of) is asking to come on Becks show for a dialogue on Becks turf!!
The only thing I can think of is that Beck is terrible with people who hold opposing views on air (recall the now senator/ ex AG of Connecticut)
Report Post »M31Sailor
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 9:36amAdjams
As a Ct resident, I have watched Sue em All Blumenthal drive business out of Ct. Glenn’s interview with him was enlightening. Blumey was hemming and hawing trying to figure out what LAW allowed him to steal these peoples bonuses. He could not state the LAW. The Democrap sheep in Ct have put crook after crook into office. Dodd( another friend of Angelo) , is a prime example. *If you actually listened to GB‘s interview with Blumey and didn’t hear his lying , you are either deaf or stupid.
Sailor
Report Post »JD Carp
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 3:10pmI would love to see him toe to toe with Glenn. But the truth is he‘s too chicken to say these things to Glenn’s face. Typical liberal but I am glad they are out there broadcasting their stupidity. Those folks he was talking to are Australian military. Can you imagine what they said about Wallis after they left the event?
Mr. Wallis: It is better to keep you mouth shut and appear the fool rather than open it and allay all doubts.
Report Post »NickDeringer
Posted on December 2, 2010 at 11:03pmAs you go to sleep tonight, try to remember that this man is lurking around the White House “advising” the leader of the free world.
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 2:03amWe all can sleep better now …..Thanks! Any chance a meteor could fall on the white house?
Report Post »Lace
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 9:30pmI like how God uses His chosen few to bring the high and mighty down. Shouldn’t a spiritual adviser speaks about love and forgiveness of his fellow man, not hate? I guess I shouldn’t expect any thing different, since he is a part of this new “change”.
Report Post »geminisailor
Posted on December 2, 2010 at 11:03pmDo what?????
Report Post »Eyore
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 8:11pmHuh
Report Post »roostercogburn
Posted on December 2, 2010 at 11:00pmI thought it was the Nobama that declared war on the christians, impeach this clown now before there is nothing left to save, he is destroying this country..
Report Post »democratgirl
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 3:08pmCONGRESS HAS TO DO THE IMPEACHING and right now, it would tear the country apart. So, we need to become and stay involved in the local political process by keeping in touch with our politicians and letting them know (kindly) that we do or do not agree with certain issues and bills. STAY ON TOP OF THEM WITH PHONECALLS AND EMAILS AND LETTERS. I have 2 Democrat Senators in my area and they are both so progressive, I just know they are blinded by their own greed and self-serving interests. I have told them over and over that even though I am a consituent (soon to change that), their progressivism is simply WRONG for this country. After reading the history of this country like I was never taught before (thank you Glenn), I now see what our forefathers wanted for us and it ain’t the Obama agenda, nor the Progressive movement. I am the only one in my family who is changing this Spring to Libertarian as these Dems are NOT my Father’s Democrats. Now, my family (BROTHERS AND SISTERS) wants nothing to do with me because I have taken a stand FOR CONSERVATISM and Christ. Well, TOO BAD. And, they too, CLAIM TO BE CHRISTIANS. They have all gone astray, but I truly believe that the Socialist/Marxist/Communists KNEW they could never have their own party, so they infiltrated (in time) and then took over the Democrat party, pushing the conservative Dems (if there is such a thing) out of the way. I used to be a liberated woman until I met Jesus and began following Him. HE opened up my eyes to the truth, which has set me free from all these liberated, progressive lies, from homosexuality, to abortion. These are lies of the devil that they want us to accept as NORMAL. It is not normal. Practicing Homosexuals are in deep, deep sin and need to repent and ask God for help. And abortions are MURDER as it has been proven that there is a beating heart at 6-8 weeks (I think that’s what I read). So, why do we as Americans, just accept all these lies from Progressives and liberals? Because it is the EASY THING TO DO? Of course! We are a SPOILED COUNTRY and don’t know what it means to go without, to work hard for what you have, to NOT depend on government handouts, etc.. But, like any addiction, Americans need to look in the mirror and ask themselves how they are going to answer God about these questions. Look up all these issues in the Bible, especially in Proverbs. ALL the answers to our questions ARE IN THE BIBLE, but most of us would rather listen to someone else tell us and not go to our Bible to find out for ourselves. Most Americans are lazy in their thinking and doing. They‘d rather keep quiet than ’rock the boat’. I stopped doing that myself several years ago. I am kind when I am speaking, but I will tell you the truth with tact and diplomacy. I have lost a few friends along the way, including those who believe in abortion and homosexuality, but I continue to pray for them and send them cards and call them occasionally to tell them I am thinking of them because CHRIST TOLD US TO PRAY FOR OUR ENEMIES AND LOVE THEM AS HE LOVED US. But, when they ask me what I think and I tell them the truth, it is NOT what they want to hear and they stop being friends, which makes me wonder if they were ever my friends. I love these people, but I love their souls more and that is the bottom line….THE SOUL THAT WILL LIVE FOREVER IN ONE PLACE OF ANOTHER. WHERE WILL YOURS BE AFTER YOUR DEATH? Only you know that answer. THAT answer will direct your thinking, your opinions, and your actions.
Report Post »13thGenerationAmerican
Posted on December 2, 2010 at 11:00pmHe is only afraid of Christians because he is a Mormon, so what
M31Sailor
Posted on December 2, 2010 at 11:17pmWallis is a scumbag , just like his buddy Obummer.
Report Post »Sailor
Dearoldad
Posted on December 2, 2010 at 11:27pm1/3 Gen/Am once again proves just how uninformed or perhaps the word is misinformed that he is. Need more proof, he kind of gives credence to Walrus Wallis and Obamination. Nuff Said!
Report Post »5
Posted on December 2, 2010 at 11:30pmMoroms are Christian. You maybe need to learn a bit more before you blab. Besides, Beck seems to be more of a Christian than Jimbo. Jimbo is a Preacher? What and who is He preaching to.
I can‘t believe how ignorant many Americans are to what’s going on. You better wake your butts up and wake up 1 or 2 others around you.
Just don’t freak out when the lights go out. I MEAN WHEN THE ELECTIC IS OFF.
Tick Tock Tick Tock. Time keeps on moving. Pray for more time. We need it.
MrButcher
Posted on December 2, 2010 at 11:39pmwait a second…..
gotta come to 13′s defence here.
Mormon doctrune is insane!
read their book. read upon Joe Smith.
Mr. Beck’s mormonism IS a major problem not only for the christians but for anyone who knows history and the history of religion (which tend to mix)
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Willis will win this fight.
Mormonism vs. Social Justice…on the world stage?
Social justice will TKO-
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read your bibles, consider atheism
cheers
13thGenerationAmerican
Posted on December 2, 2010 at 11:46pmAre you sure about that 5?
Joseph Smith taught that the highest exaltation would be achieved through “plural marriage” (polygamy), which was the ultimate manifestation of this New and Everlasting Covenant. Plural marriage allowed an individual to transcend the angelic state and become a god by gaining an “eternal increase” of posterity. Smith taught and practiced this doctrine secretly but always publicly denied it. Nevertheless, Smith taught that once he revealed the doctrine to anyone, failure to practice it would be to risk God’s wrath.
Cuckoo Cuckoo Cuckoo……… I hear a clock
snowleopard3200 {mix art}
Posted on December 2, 2010 at 11:47pmHere is some information found on the testing of true or false prophets and teachers of God; in Isaiah 8:20 (with reference to v19) “Unto the law and to the testimony; if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.”
{Fruits of the spirit and the flesh:
Galatians 5:19-21 the lusts of the flesh
Galatians 5:22-23 the fruits of the spirit
This is the markings of a follower of God, or of the Spirit of Darkness.
In the matter of collective salvation and social justice; these are fallacies of the highest order brought onto the land for control of people.
Salvation and Redemption are the grace of God through Jesus; they are a free gift, to be accepted or rejected by the individuals themselves.
This belief of collective salvation falls apart very simply with a story of the book of Ezekiel…
Ezekiel 18:1-32 it speaks of three separate generations; the father (righteous in Gods eyes), his son (rebels against God), and the grandson (righteous in God’s eyes) each one responsible for his OWN sins committed (in the sons case) or avoided (Father and Grandson) in the relationship with God.
Collective Salvation of people and communities is a fallacy of a magnitude to the Rapture junk and the Left Behind series of books.
Fantasies and dangerous ones at that.
Here are two other stories that may be of interest…
Report Post »Ezekiel 331-7 (the watchmen)
Ezekiel 33:11-20 (righteous man/wicked man; single person in examples)
odin2054
Posted on December 2, 2010 at 11:50pmAh, Mormons are Christians. Sadly this is beside the point. The administration has decided to get out a “Spiritual Advisor.” Why, did they lose Rev wrights phone number somewhere? Lets see this for what it is a game; pure and simple. There Idea of “social justice” will be same as it was in Russia in 1930, you know bread lines as well as a few, “its all for the greater good.” Anyone notice that that the leaders of our country no longer count themselves as members of our country? Sure they will get up there and tell you “NO new taxes on the middle class!” All the while they are saying to themselves hey I am not a part of that middle class why do I care. They get elected go to DC and fall into the political model of what side am I on. When really they should get there and say I am here to fight for the American people.
Report Post »MrButcher
Posted on December 2, 2010 at 11:52pm@snow
we know what the bible says but its meanings are subject to interpretation….
and unless you, or anyone, is willing to say you know for sure what these folks said god told them…
…your fighting a loosing battle over common sense and perception.
wallis just face-checked Beck on the INTERNATIONAL stage.
it will get worse.
Report Post »untameable-kate
Posted on December 2, 2010 at 11:58pmBlenn becks religion should not be under attack here. He is free to practice any religion he chooses. Mormons are Christians.
No1YaKnow
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 12:00amWallis is afraid Christians will wake up and understand what social justice means–what he has misunderstood about his whole campaign against Glenn Beck is that the only ones who will fall for his ridiculousness are those who believed him in the first place or hold the social justice mindset. The rest of us already think for ourselves. Ever notice how when losing an argument about social justice in particular, a leftist will immediately attack with “That’s not very Christian!” exposing very clearly that they don’t even know what a Christian is. In their minds, it means you turn the other way and accept their hostilities without defending yourself. Sorry Wallis–that just isn’t what being Christian is about. Violence is not our objective and will be avoided at all costs. But don’t expect people to remain silent while you advocate stealing our livelihoods and freedoms cloaked in shaming those with good in their hearts all in the name of handing it off to a grateful section of the population who in turn will keep you in power forever. There are too many of us who understand the very nature of personal responsibility is what keeps us free. We accept charity as part of personal responsibility–but charity is not mandated, ever. What you advocate is theft, pure and simple.
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 12:07amSocial Justice is not a Christian doctrine. Self-sufficiency and personal charity is.
But these obligations are put upon us by God – not the government.
At all times, whether we give to Charity or not, the wealth belongs to us, and we may rightfully do with it as we please. The government may not compel us to spend it in any particular way.
Acts 5:4
“While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not under your control ? Why is it that you have conceived this deed in your heart ? You have not lied to men but to God.”
Prov. 10:4
Report Post »Poor is he who works with a negligent hand, But the hand of the diligent makes rich.
A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 12:13amSteady as she goes, Blazers.
Mormonism is a cult for sure, but let’s not make that an issue here until the Progressives play that as an issue.
Glenn, in his cultish Mormonism, is a lot smarter and wiser than a lot of Christians.
Alydia
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 12:25amHi 13thGenerationAmerican and MrButcher…I don’t think Glenn is afraid of Christians because he thinks he is one. Mormonism is a “religion” from hell just like Islam, Jehovah’s Witness, Catholicism, etc. If these groups would get out of the books that their religions trains them to read then they would notice the difference.
One of the doctrines of Mormonism is that Jesus and Satan are brothers…dead wrong! Jesus has always existed and Satan was created. Big dif…..
javasport
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 12:26amIts all good. Jesus was crucified for apparently not being Jewish enough. I guess Mormons are in good company with the receiving end of the finger pointing. So do you side more with the Pharisees or the Sadducees of your so called “Christian” religion?
Report Post »Midwest Belle
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 12:35amLook 13 – Mormons ARE Christians. You want to debate the subject, bring it on – I‘ve won every debate about this that I’ve been in. Get a clue. Investigate. Maybe you’ll learn something!
Report Post »thepatriotdave
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 1:08amM31Sailor,
I would have used the word dirt-bag, but you nailed it for me. This supposed religious leader is a joke. He actually reminds me of a slave-owner from the old south. He simply wants to use Marxism to hold and control people with, under the guise of religion.
PatriotShops.com
Report Post »thepatriotdave
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 1:10amMrButcher,
I’m gonna pray for you.
PatriotShops.com
Report Post »inblack
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 1:16amYou bigots that quote the bible and call other groups cults are not Christians and the sooner we kick religious bigots like you out of the tea party and the conservative movement the better.
Religious bigots have done nothing but damage the Republican party and they bring nothing to the table.
We want freedom of religion, not your sad self designed judgement of what is acceptable. If you want to be an intolerant fundamentalist – go join radical islam.
Report Post »SoCalWalt
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 1:17amMormons ARE Christians … they’ve accepted Christ as their personal savior. Isn’t that the definition of Christian. They just happen to have an extra book that they consider an extended word of God.
Report Post »longhorn mama
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 1:22amLook, as a mainline protestant, I know the Biblical God and Jesus that I worship are not the same as the one that Mormons do. They just have the same names. I would consider Mormons to be heretical Christians. But hey, aren’t we Christians all heretical Jews to a Jew? We still expect to all get along with a common value system. I hope that this country straightens out so Glenn can some day take the time to question his religion with boldness and investigate and read the original documents for his own sake.
Report Post »But I also read Jim Wallis‘ book God’s Politics. (Bought it used so the jerk wouldn’t make any money off me.) It was full of drivel and he is an economic idiot and a loon. Real Christianity would never have a government forcibly redistribute wealth and call it charity. And the Free Market is the only solution ultimately to lift the poor out of their poverty, not his stupid socialism. The Left has everything wrong. The scariest thing about his book was his complete perversion of the Book of Micah. He interprets it to say EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE of what the language says. Typical Lefty. Beware this man and many others like him. Many of our churches’ leaderships are now being taken over by this hippy generation as the Greatest Generation dies out. Kind of like our government.
But, in the end I guarantee that Beck is a better man than Wallis.
Rational Man
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 1:48amSo what’s Wallis afraid of?
Report Post »It seems Beck is living rent free in his head……….Pretty funny!
Resolved
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 1:56amI’ve always enjoyed debate on what some would call the heretical beliefs of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Having been on both sides (was once a protestant, converted to LDS) I have something of a unique perspective. We Mormons are people of Faith and Reason, and I’m more than willing to reason any belief my fellow Christians might find heretical, not in the hopes that they come to believe them necessarily, but in the hopes that they come to understand that our beliefs, though they might seem strange, are not without historic or logical precedent. But for fear of going overly off topic, and for plunging myself into a religious debate in a place where such a debate seems inappropriate, I’ll limit such answers to private requests, with a special invitation to Mr. Butcher and 13thgenerationamerican.
For now all I can say is that if the label Christian refers only to one’s desire to take upon themselves the name of Christ, to live as he lived, to accept his gift of atonement, repentance, and salvation, then no one here or anywhere has any business excluding members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints from the label.
Report Post »101
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 1:56am.
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Social justice= redistribution of wealth.
Tax the working class the so called “rich” to pay for welfare recipients & illegal immigrants etc, etc.! The modern day robbing hood!
Report Post »aeronut44
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 3:30amRESOLVED!!!!
Report Post »God bless you my friend. I am a Protestant, but I gotta tell you that you nailed it on the head! I am sick and tired of people assuming that “their way” is the only way. God said it himself. “NO MAN COMES TO THE FATHER, BUT BY ME!!!
101
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 4:08amIt was Glenn Beck that asking viewers to take the 40 day challenge, that’s when I found God!
For the next 40 days and 40 nights, I pledge…I COVENANT to practice faith, hope and charity by doing these things.
First…faith. I will pray on my knees every night for the next 40 nights…starting TONIGHT. Pray for guidance, inspiration, peace…pray for the leaders of our country. Pray for their safety, and that they will receive wisdom. I will re-establish my relationship with God.
Hope…hope comes from truth. You can’t have hope based on lies. If you go to the doctor and you’re in the early stages of cancer, but the doctor tells you that you just have the sniffles…that’s false hope, and it won’t help you, in fact, it would kill you. So, we have to have honesty, to have real hope. So, I will stop all lies for the next 40 days. That includes lying to myself. I will establish a pattern of honesty and make it become habitual. I will question with boldness…everything…even the things Glenn Beck tells you every night…I will do my own research…and then pray for my own confirmation on the things I have learned. I will find out what is true in my life.
And third…I will have charity. Charity begins at home. I will do something kind for every member of your family at least once a week. I will write it down, and then do it. Also, I pledge to take notice of how blessed I really am. I live in the greatest country the world has ever known…and even the least prosperous among us, are among the wealthiest people in the world…I will be grateful.
God is in my heart & my life thanks to Glenn.
Report Post »rebel
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 4:41amspiritual advisor to a pro abortion president. need i say more? No true christian preacher would advise a man that consistently is for abortion. It just can’t work.
Report Post »1st a Father
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 5:22amHe doesn’t fear Christians at all; he is one, despite what many other Christians may think. How many Christians do you think showed up at the 8-28 rally and the Kennedy Center the night before , beside the many pastors with him on stage. I didn’t see him running in fear. He was just saying, in very strong language, that social justice is akin to socialism and was never taught by Jesus. I think the closest Jesus ever came to preach social justice was when he said, “…saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s; and unto God the things that are God’s.” Oh, wait a minute, wasn’t Caesar one of the rich. Isn’t social justice about taking from the rich to give to the poor? Hm, what could this mean?
Report Post »Luckywon
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 5:49amHe isn’t afraid of Christians. Why would he be? Mormons are by definition Christian too… just the black sheep of the Christian family.
Report Post »Noonien_Soong
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 5:54amWallis is no more than a useful political diversion for the satisfaction of the liberal left.
Report Post »Stuck_in_CA
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 7:46amTalk about a wolf in sheep’s clothing. This guy is evil and dangerous. Further, the people who swallow his rhetoric may be even more dangerous than he is.
Report Post »Tyson
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 8:18amMRBUtcher
Report Post »I could make the same aurguments about Catholics. And I consider them just as Christian as a Baptist, Methodist, etc. Stop trying to put Christ in a box please. Small minded people are amuzing.
wiheke
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 9:14amThis went to my 2.4 million opt-in subscribers last week to put in perspective what Beck is all about..share it with all you know before his goons crub it..have challenged him for 7 yrs now..he is as gutless as those he calls out…
A Spiritual Puppet Master
(Matthew 10:28)
Jesus said, “Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.” Matthew 10:28
A “spiritual puppet master!” Glenn Beck has recently done a series on his radio and TV programs, labeling billionaire financier George Soros a “puppet master.” I tell you today that it is satanic Mormon cult member Glenn Beck, who is a “spiritual puppet master!” Glenn Beck is a very powerful man. I will be dismissed by him and many who read these words as a “bigot,“ a ”Mormon-hater,“ a ”nutjob,” and other derogatory names. That is OK since in the end, the truth will stand and the lie will fall.
In a recent poll of those who identify themselves as evangelical Christians, over 50% said they believe that despite being a Mormon, Glenn Beck is a born-again believer. This is amongst people who are supposed to know that Mormon doctrine is 100% inconsistent with Biblical Christianity and a Mormon is no more a Christian than a Muslim is! If this poll has any accuracy, what about the millions Beck reaches daily through his radio/TV/internet empire who are part of the last 2 generations, the bulk of which has NO faith foundation of any kind?
Glenn Beck is an incredibly smart man. He is well read. He is a student of history. For anyone to think for a second that Beck doesn’t intimately know Mormon history and Mormon doctrine is ridiculous. I get emails from people every day saying that they like Beck’s message and politics but would never be swayed to join the satanic Mormon cult. I say wonderful, but the reality is that the overwhelming majority Beck reaches each day are NOT rooted and grounded in the Scriptures, many have no faith at all, and they are sitting ducks for Beck’s proselytizing.
People will say that Beck doesn’t openly try to bring people into the false beliefs of Mormonism. Of course not, he is far too clever. However, for those who get involved with Beck through his various books, personal appearances, members only section of his website, he is much more open in sharing the glories of his Mormon experience and how it has changed his life. Beck doesn’t have to openly proselytize as a true evangelist would, since he seeks to convert people to Mormonism through what many in evangelical circles would call “lifestyle evangelism.” The message is clear, look at how my life has changed, it can change yours too!
The interesting thing is that I wrote about George Soros as a type of the anti-Christ over 4 years ago, long before Beck ever spoke of him publicly. He is a proponent of a one-world government, one-world economy, one-world relgion. However, he does not have the ability to bring together the peoples of the world as the anti-Christ will. For the record, President Obama is not even close to being the anti-Christ, he simply isn’t smart enough! There is no doubt Soros is a thoroughly evil man, manipulating economies, governments, for his personal gain. He is a devout atheist who has no conscience when it comes to destroying people’s lives to make his billions.
While Soros uses his vast wealth to manipulate politics around the world to make money, Beck uses his vast media wealth to manipulate the hearts and minds of people to further his satanic cult. In today’s Scripture, Jesus was saying not to worry about the George Soros’ of the world, since all they can do is kill your body, but worry about the Glenn Beck’s of the world, since they can kill your soul!!!
As a side note, one of Beck’s ardent supporters and benefactors is billionaire philanthropist John Huntsman. Huntsman is also a member of the satanic Mormon cult and has used his billions around the world to fund Mormon causes leading untold millions of people to hell who fell for the lies of Mormonism. The Bible says that man sees the outer while God sees what is inside. Soros is an obviously evil man, however, Huntsman, hailed as this generous grandfatherly type, is evil personified since he has used his vast wealth to fill the bowels of hell!
Beck speaks so often of “God,“ of ”Jesus,“ of ”the Lord,” and reading the Bible. What Beck fails to mention is that when a Mormon speaks of God, they are NOT speaking about the God of the Bible!!! Their “god” is named Elohim and was once a man like you and I who came from another planet. Mormon Doctrine states that their god was once a human man, and “He is now a glorified, resurrected personage having a tangible body of flesh and bones.” As a matter of fact, “all gods first existed as spirits, came to an earth to receive bodies, and then, after having passed through a period of probation on the aforesaid earth, were advanced to the exalted position they now enjoy.” Mormon theology teaches that men can eventually become a god and have their own planet.
Likewise, the Mormon jesus was not supernaturally conceived by the Holy Ghost, but the natural offspring of their “god” Elohim who had sex with Mary, meaning he is a created being no different than you and I. Mormons also teach that their jesus had several wives and children, in compete contradiction to what the Bible teaches. The jesus of Beck and the Mormon cult is also the brother of Lucifer and will return not to the Mt. Of Olives as the Bible teaches, but to Independence, Missouri to set up his earthly Kingdom.
I’ve always been amused when Beck talks about reading different books of the Bible, when according to Mormon doctrine, the Bible is an imperfect and flawed book. The final Scriptural authority for a Mormon are the writings of their cults racist, pedophile, murdering, polygamist founder Joseph Smith. I wonder why Beck never mentions reading the Book of Mormon???
The bottom line to Mormonism and why it is a cult can be boiled down to one core issue, the jesus of the Mormons is NOT a deity! When a Mormon speaks of Jesus, they are NOT speaking about the Jesus in the Bible, the Savior of the world! The jesus of Mormon theology is NOT God incarnate as the Bible teaches!!! Of course Glenn Beck fails to mention these “differences” to you, knowing that most will be duped into thinking he is talking about the Biblical God and Jesus and failing to understand his final authority is not the Bible written by the one and only God, but the satanically inspired writings of Smith!
Of course, aiding in Beck’s deception are a willing array of well-known “Christians” like David Barton and a host others who sell out the faith and put innocent souls at risk in order to gain whatever they can from him. It is a well proven technique used by cult leader Myung Sung Moon in the 80s, when he bought off virtually all of the top Christian leaders of his day, knowing their thirst for dollars outweighed their thirst for the Truth. Another Mormon cult member Mitt Romney, also used this masterfully in his bid to be President in 2008, getting high profile Christians like Jay Sekulow, Ralph Reed, Mark DeMoss, and host of others to sell out the faith to give him credibly within the Christian community.
Most don‘t fully comprehend Beck’s apocalyptical mindset, but than you won’t unless you understand Mormon prophecy as Beck clearly does. Don’t take my word for it, go Google, Mormon White Horse Prophecy. It is a prophecy from cult founder Joseph Smith that Beck and all Mormons believe which basically says that our nation will undergo incredible economic and political unrest, and a Mormon will come to the rescue to save the nation. In order to do that, the US Constitution will be suspended and we will be operated as a Mormon theocracy.
Don’t think Beck believes this? Ever wonder why he is so big on storing up food and gold? Why else unless some sort of catastrophic event that would disrupt life as we know it was possibly going to occur? Please, don’t take my word for anything I am saying, look it up for yourselves. There are plenty of websites you can Google that clearly lay out what Mormon’s believe about the last days, though I doubt you will be able to find anything on Beck’s new propaganda, errrr, news site. When Beck talks about “what the Lord is calling him to do,” it is to lead this last days Mormon revolution as Paul Revere, with Mitt Romney being George Washington!
I love you and care about you so much. I have an open challenge to Glenn Beck. My “red phone” is waiting for your call. Just as Beck taunted the White House to respond to his allegations and challenge him if anything he said was false, I make that same challenge to him. If there is anything I have said that is not true, you have a national platform to call me out. The reality is, just like Obama will never put himself in a position to be challenged on his beliefs, neither will Beck.
Beck loves to go after the liberal press who attack him daily. However, he understands they don’t have a clue to what he is really about or his real agenda since they are spiritually blind! He is just as gutless as Obama when it comes to those who can properly identify his true message and motivations. Again Glenn, feel free to contact me and I will appear with you any time, any place, in any venue, if you want to challenge even one word I have said.
Please do me a favor, get this to every person you know so at least people will understand who Glenn Beck is and where is message comes from. Also, here are the main two email addresses for Beck. Make sure everyone forwards him a copy of this Devotiaonl, since with over 2.4 million subscribers, I reach almost as many people in a day as Beck does. me@glennbeck.com or stu@glennbeck.com
In closing, I am only asking Beck to do one thing, the one thing he claims he is all about…be HONEST! Simply admit that a Mormon is not a Christian, since they are not. Simply admit that the god and jesus of Mormon theology are NOT the God and Jesus of the Bible, since they are not. Simply admit that the Book of Mormon is the final authority for Mormons, not the Bible. Finally, simply admit that he feels he is the “Paul Revere” to sound the warning call about the impending doom of this nation and that a Mormon will save the nation, since that is what he and all Mormons believe.
The fact is, I could care less if Beck thinks he will die and be the god of his own planet with thousands of wives to make spirit babies with, or any of the ludicrous beliefs the Mormon cult holds. All I have ever asked him, Romney, and any other Mormon, is to simply be honest about what they believe and quit trying to deceive people into thinking they are Christians, when there is NOTHING Christian about Mormon theology!
Finally, if you don’t believe anyhting I have said, you are the one who will be sitting by your chimney on December 24th waiting for Santa Claus to bring you Beck’s latest book!
In His love and service, Your friend and brother in Christ, Bill Keller
jenniferakagigi
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 9:15amI am also a 13th generation American…
The Salvation Army is making a bad alliance with Rev. Jim Wallis from Soujourners and his version of Social Justice and Liberation Theology. Wallis is financed by among other George Soros, the devout anti American atheist. Please watch this and make up your own mind. http://www.sorosonsoros.com/
Report Post »Christians believe that faith without works is dead but that our giving to the poor is voluntary and not forced by the State or the Church.
In this recording Wallis says “personal salvation” but Obama always says he believes in “Collective Salvation.” Rev. Wallis has defended the Nicaraguan Sandinistas in “Witness for Peace” and the Committee of Solidarity with the People of El Salvador and supports “restructuring social societies” Castor, Chavez and Ortega are “communist paradises for social justice.” http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2478246/posts Also the book “The Roots of Obama’s Rage” explains the anti colonial mind set he has.
Sparky101
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 9:20amMrButcher and 13th do not know Jesus, so please forgive them for not understanding. As you can see, they speak from the world’s point of view, with no comprehension of the Spirit of God. Pray for them, that they may have ears that hear.
Report Post »code green
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 9:22amGlenn is heavy duty ,magnum (AA) 12 stepping . He is driven by his recovery . That is Christian .
Report Post »nateums
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 9:34amIf by ‘Christians’, you mean ‘Progressives’ and by ‘Mormon’ you mean ‘American’
Report Post »taskmaster78
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 9:48amI wish this idiot using the name of Christ and social justice in the same sentence. He is of his father satan, and preaches a false gospel. He may want to read the book of Galatians just to refresh his memory as to what happens when one preaches a gospel other then the one Paul preached, he will be accursed. Nothing new with this man many have come using Christ name and were not of his church.
Report Post »Bocrockett
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 10:51amI’ve done a little research on Wallis, and I have come to the conclusion he knows very little about the actual meaning of biblical truths/facts. I needs prayer…In the scheme of things, I wouldn’t worry for him or about him.
Report Post »nordspan
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 11:14amWhat the heck does that mean, 13th? Odd comment.
Report Post »Captain77
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 11:20amthats funny, I thought mormons were Christian. Every mormon I know says they believe Jesus Christ to be there Lord and Savior, which isn’t that the definition of a Christian. And no, don‘t give me that bs that they believe in a different Jesus or some other reason they aren’t Christian. There are hundreds, if not thousands of different “Christian” belief in America alone, all of which see Christ and Christianity a little differently, all of which are considered Christian.
Report Post »WhiteFang
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 12:20pmAlydia, You said on December 3, 2010 at 12:25am :
Hi 13thGenerationAmerican and MrButcher…I don’t think Glenn is afraid of Christians because he thinks he is one. Mormonism is a “religion” from hell just like Islam, Jehovah’s Witness, Catholicism, etc. If these groups would get out of the books that their religions trains them to read then they would notice the difference.
One of the doctrines of Mormonism is that Jesus and Satan are brothers…dead wrong! Jesus has always existed and Satan was created. Big dif…..
Can you explain why you think Jehovah’s Witnesses are a religion from hell? What did they ever do to you to cause you real harm?
Also your last sentence is wrong according to Bible scripture. I ask for an explanation please,. If you are going to make statements, at least be able to support your allegations.
Report Post »Resolved
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 12:25pmWiheke makes me laugh. Why he/she saw the need to spout the most basic of anti-mormon tenants, only a small portion of which has any credence, and the rest of which has already either been presented as perfectly reasonable or completely untrue (this qualifies most of it, IE God had sex with Mary, BAHAHAHAHA!) is unclear to me, but still. Kudos for making me laugh.
Report Post »eaglegrl1
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 12:25pmMormons are Christians. The definition of a Christian is someone who believes in Christ as the savior of the world. The actual name of the church is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. What more proof do you need?
Report Post »Resolved
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 12:32pmWiheke, Beck doesn’t need to put himself on your national platform to put down those parts of your allegations which are false or misinformed (and they are many, I assure you). But if it makes you happy, I’d volunteer, I love discussing this stuff. I’m certainly the ultimate authority on all things, but I’d find it an interesting chat in the least. I’ll take your Red Phone number, and we can have a nice civil discussion about it. Call me xoxoxoxo lol!!!
Report Post »Bearfoot
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 1:17pmAlydia,
You should look at Colossians 1:15-17
Think about it in light of what you said about Jesus always existing. Only his Father has no beginning.
Report Post »Cherished Emblems
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 2:02pmUh…we ARE Christians! Mormons believe in Christ, thus the “Christ”ian tag applies to us too!
Report Post »OhYeah
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 2:26pmMormon is slang (not title of church) Christ is mentioned more times in the Book of Mormon than in the Bible. We use both Bible and Book of Mormon (combined books from Ancient America followers of Christ descendants of the Jews) We talk of Christ, we follow him and he is our Savior. We are Christians, followers of Christ. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
Report Post »firstHat
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 2:28pm13th Generation and MrButcher should watch ALL of this lecture:
Report Post »http://www.davidhorowitztv.com/wednesday-morning-club/315-phillips
democratgirl
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 2:42pmGLENN IS A FOLLOWER OF CHRIST. There is a big difference between the words CHRISTIAN and FOLLOWER OF CHRIST. If Glenn has accepted Jesus as his personal Savior, which he has said he has, and tries to live that life, then HE IS A FOLLOWER OF CHRIST, JUST AS I AM A FOLLOWER OF CHRIST. Just because you say you are a Christian, does not make you a Christian (you cannot serve Christ and the world and make them equal to each other. It cannot be done because where your heart is, so are you). The Bible clearly tells us how to become a follower of Christ (born again and saved by the blood of Christ – vocally expressing your earnest desire to follow Christ) NOT A CHRISTIAN. Wallis may claim to be a Christian, BUT HE IS NOT A FOLLOWER OF CHRIST. Wallis is all about his own church‘s DOCTRINE and I believe Glenn is following what Jesus’ commands were, using his own common sense and not what the LDS or Mormon church tells him to do. I think we should all start looking at our own lives before we start analyzing someone else’s. I can truly say that I am not perfect, but I am forgiven by the blood of Christ, so therefore, I can say that by watching, listening, and analyzing what these two men say and do, I can honestly say, and without any hesitations, that GLENN IS THE FOLLOWER OF CHRIST and WALLIS IS NOT. Someone please ask Wallis if he has accepted Jesus as his personal Savior, and then ask him if he would actually say, “I believe that Jesus died on the cross for me and all mankind, and rose again on the 3rd day. I accept Jesus Christ as my personal Savior and I will follow him and his commands all the days of my life.” I WILL BET YOU THAT WALLIS WILL GIVE EVERY EXCUSE TO NOT SAY IT. I would love to be a fly on the wall. I truly believe that Glenn was raised up by God to be our LAST VOICE IN THE WILDERNESS. He is no saint, but HE TOO, IS FORGIVEN, I know, but I believe with all my heart that God is leading him ON OUR BEHALF. However, Wallis is deceived and will be judged for leading people the wrong way. Those who lead others away from Christ in any way, thru deed, action, or teaching, will have the worst place in hell. I am praying for Wallis as my Spirit confirms to me that HE IS NOT A FOLLOWER OF CHRIST. We need to all be praying for both men; for Glenn‘s protection and strength and for Wallis’ conviction about his own soul and spirit. Just my 2 cents and I have been a follower of Christ for over 30 years, renewing my walk with Christ, several years ago when I felt that I needed to be stronger in my faith. Didn’t mean to lecture, but we all need to tell the truth and stop beating around the bush. Like Glenn always says, KNOW WHO YOU ARE AND ALWAYS TELL THE TRUTH…..GET RID OF THE LIES.
Report Post »alycoh
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 3:29pmGlenn afraid of Christians? lol lol
Report Post »It‘s obvious you don’t know Glenn, you’re a progressive lefty looking for a home. I’ve got news for you. This is not the place for you. Bye lol lol lol
Resolved
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 3:48pmStill not seeing that phone number, Wiheke. Guess I’m not a fish worth frying, or you‘re not as interested in discourse as you’ve stated. Call me xoxoxoxo
PS You wouldn’t happen to be THE NEW YORK TIMES Bill Keller, would you?
Report Post »LDSmommy
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 4:04pmThe name of our Church is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. We are Christians. How about you all stop doing God’s job? I will await His judgment, not yours.
Report Post »Those of you proclaiming our Church as “wrong”, you are just as bad as any other bigot. I can’t even believe the comment from Buster-Siren! “…but the Book of Mormon then takes it into an entirely different direction that Christianity was never meant to go in.” Wow! Glad to know you were made judge and jury!
Brother Beck is NOT trying to turn you all into Latter-day Saints, he is trying to SAVE OUR REPUBLIC. Everyone should get off their high horses and absorb the message. Then ACT on it. There is so much at stake.
Let us “Mormons” worry about our own Eternal Souls, you worry about yours.
LDSmommy
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 4:06pmI forgot to add:
Report Post »Wallis is a nutjob who needs to focus on God, not Beck!
Questioner
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 6:15pmTo all those who claim Glenn Beck is NOT a Christian–are all non Christians going to Hell?
Report Post »rsletto
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 6:34pmMormons are Christians…they believe in Christ. and its Joseph Smith not joe. read these 13 articles of our faith, https://lds.org/scriptures/pgp/a-of-f/1?lang=engthen read The Book of Mormon and the Bible and Pray to God and ask if it is true.
Report Post »dontbotherme
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 7:00pm13 – Yes Wallis is only afraid of Glenn Beck, the Christian Mormon because he is Christian. Wallis fears God, just as you do. He & you are not doing God’s work. Change sides before it’s too late.
Report Post »missbosslady
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 9:01pmI’m running out the door so only have a minute to school you 13th, regarding the polygamy thing. It came about when these folks were treking west into unknown and rough territories. Along the way many squirmishes saw the male population dwindle leaving many of the woman folk without their husbands. As the band moved west the women began to outnumber the men, and as we know in those days a single woman (especially one with children) was vulnerable. Hence, the need for plural marriage. I suspect that Joe Smith claimed that God ordained the practice to make it easier for the folks to accept.
There’s your history lesson.
This of course has nothing to do with what the practice has morphed into, nor should it be construed to mean that I think that the practice is fine and dandy today. However, as with most things it is important to have your facts and history straight, something you continuously tend to have great trouble with.
13th, grow up, read a book, get some knowledge-it will keep you from sounding like such an idiot all of the time.
Report Post »thepatriotdave
Posted on December 4, 2010 at 12:01amMrButcher,
No can do. Atheism is the absense of caring about your fellow man and civilization in general.
PatriotShops.com
Report Post »thepatriotdave
Posted on December 4, 2010 at 12:04amTaking religious advice from Wallis is like me taking advice from a progressive, I’m way too smart for that!
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Report Post »dodgetoyz
Posted on December 4, 2010 at 2:28amThe Mormon cult was founded by a snake oil sales man. Mormonism IS NOT and NEVER will be Christian. They try to pass themselves off as such, but their beliefs in no way line up with Christianity. I have written a 30 page disertation on this very subject (as part of my ministry doctorate) and I assure you, as much as I love Glenn, he is mislead. They pray on those that are sick and weak which is why they started the whole recovery movement, which is where Glenn found them. They even have their own version of the Bible with subtle but VERY important differences, that are designed to mislead. Do a little homework and you will see that they are not what they appear.
Report Post »LDSPATRIOTFAM
Posted on December 4, 2010 at 2:47am@13th Gen
If that is how you want to spin it. I am a Mormon and I am not afraid of Christians, but I am worried for Americans who are duped into a religious system that is built upon the foundation of Marxism, which is totally contrary to New Testament Christianity.
Jesus taught God is no respecter of persons, God does not give preferential treatment to one person over another. We are all the same in his eyes. Jesus said to be ye therefore perfect like your Father in heaven is perfect. On that doctrinal basis alone leftist schemes like “social justice” and class warfare fly in the face of New Testament doctrine. If we are to be like our Father in heaven the we too will be no respecter of persons. We will not give certain people preferential treatment over others. We are all the same, sinners.
Jesus taught us to be charitable and to give of your own free will; Paul calls this CHARITY. Because you are not compelled to do good, but to do it out of the goodness of your heart. On that doctrinal principal alone forced charity (as the obama administration calls ‘power by the barrel of a gun’) flies in the face of traditional Christian doctrine.
No where in the New Testament did Jesus teach that you should render unto Caesar so that Caesar can redistribute the bread and water to the masses.
Report Post »BehindBlueEyes
Posted on December 4, 2010 at 7:43am@13thGenerationAmerican
Can’t watch the video (low bandwidth).
Report Post »When did Glenn say he was afraid of Christians?
tower7femacamp
Posted on December 4, 2010 at 10:47amSNOW, have you ever heard of project Blue beam ?
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/projectbluebeam25jul05.shtml
http://www.larombible.com/satan_bound.htm
Report Post »I wonder ???
lindathepatriot
Posted on December 4, 2010 at 4:35pmThe Bible warns us to beware of the false prophets who are wolves in sheep’s clothing. Matt. 7:15. Oh my, what big teeth he has.
Report Post »1776Federalist
Posted on December 8, 2010 at 3:43pmALYDIA, I hate to burst your bubble, but Satan is also called Lucifer. Lucifer is also known as light. Lucifer was with the councils of Heaven and was cast down to Earth. The book of Isaiah in the Old Testament, chapter 14, reads; “12How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Report Post »13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the Most High.
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.”
So you see he could not have fallen from Heaven if he was not already there and a part of God’s plan. Christ wanted to serve and give all glory to God, Lucifer wanted to take all of the Glory to do what Christ was chosen to do.
13thGen and Mr. Butcher must get all of their misinformation from the same place most ministers seem to get theirs from. It certainly doesn’t come from the doctrines of the LDS Church. Perhaps they should go to LDS.ORG and find out what the Mormons do believe.