Obamacare Gets Its Day in Court: Supremes to Hand Down Historic Ruling Thursday
- Posted on June 28, 2012 at 7:02am by
Jonathon M. Seidl
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The healthcare law has been upheld. Get complete coverage here.
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WASHINGTON (The Blaze/AP) — They’ve known the outcome for three months. Now it’s time for the nine Supreme Court justices to share it with the world.
Barring some incredibly strange twist, shortly after 10 o’clock in the morning Thursday, Chief Justice John Roberts is expected to reveal the high court‘s verdict on President Barack Obama’s health care overhaul.
Between 400 and 500 people will crowd into the marble courtroom, the only witnesses to a historic moment that will not be broadcast live on television or radio. Some of those hoping for seats already were in line early Wednesday afternoon.
The court is not just passing judgment on a major expansion of the social safety net, designed to cover an additional 30 million Americans with health insurance. It is doing so on the president’s signature domestic legislative achievement and in the heat of his closely fought campaign for re-election.
Four major issues await resolution, the most important of which is whether the law’s centerpiece requirement that most people have health insurance or pay a penalty is constitutional. The justices also are weighing whether other parts or indeed the entire 2010 law should fall if they strike down the insurance requirement.
Apart from the insurance mandate, the court also is considering the validity of the health care law’s significant expansion of Medicaid, the joint federal-state health care program for the poor.
One wrinkle could prevent the court from deciding the fate of the insurance requirement. A mid-19th century law prohibits challenges to taxes until they have been paid. The insurance requirement does not kick in until 2014 and people who pay the penalty won’t do so until they file their 2014 income tax forms by April 15, 2015.
The court devoted more than six hours to arguments about these issues over three days in late March. The justices met March 30 to take a vote on the case and sort out who would take the lead in writing the opinions. In a case of this magnitude, the chief justice probably is writing the majority opinion, assuming he is in the majority.
The 26 states and the small business group challenging the law seemed to have the better of the courtroom arguments in March. Conservative justices peppered Solicitor General Donald Verrilli Jr. with hostile questions about both the insurance requirement and the Medicaid expansion.
But the lively arguments, the only time the justices discuss pending cases in public, are a relatively small part of a rather large record – in this case, a mountain of more than 140 legal briefs.
Whatever the outcome, it seems certain to become part of the campaign between Obama and his Republican rival, Mitt Romney.
Obama could try to make the court itself, or more particularly its conservative majority, an issue if the insurance requirement or the whole law is struck down. For his part, Romney already has said he will try to take advantage of either outcome. If the law falls, Romney said it will show that “the first 3 1/2 years of this president’s term will have been wasted on something that has not helped the American people.” If the law is upheld, “we’re going to have to have a president – and I’m that one – that’s going to get rid of Obamacare. We’re going to stop it on Day One,” Romney said.
The case began almost as soon as Obama signed the law on March 23, 2010. Even before the day was out, Florida and 12 states filed the lawsuit that ended up at the Supreme Court. Another 13 states later joined in later.
The heart of the challenge was the claim that Congress could not force people to buy a product – health insurance.
The administration advanced several arguments in defense of Congress’ authority to require health insurance, including that it falls under the power to regulate interstate commerce.
The government also argued that the insurance requirement was necessary to make effective two other undoubtedly constitutional provisions: the requirements that insurers accept people regardless of existing health problems and limit what they charge older, sicker people.
The administration also said that even if the court rejected the first two arguments, the insurance requirement and penalty are constitutional as an exercise of Congress’ power to enact taxes. The penalty assessed for not buying insurance functions like a tax, the government said.
That argument, however, has been largely viewed by Conservatives as an after-the-fact argument. Still, the document does contain plenty of other taxes. Americans for Tax Reform has put together a document describing all the new taxes within the law, when they take effect, and where they are found in the law:
Americans for Tax Reform — Taxes in Obamacare
The group said it will put out an analysis involving how the ruling affects the taxes once the decision is announced.
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LeftistsAreRegressive
Posted on June 28, 2012 at 8:15amIf the Supreme Court fails us, we will not stop until this evil legislation is completely dismantled. The Lord’s work will be completed one way or another.
Report Post »Robert Hawk
Posted on June 28, 2012 at 8:34amThe people of these United States had the choice and they chose Marxism over our Father. Now they will suffer the consequences of that decision. The Apostle Paul warned against Christians following the base doctrine to Marxism in Colossians chapter 2 (Athenian philosophia). What did his people do? The laughed in his face and voted in the largest swath of Democratic-Marxists in American history. Now they suffer from their decisions.
Report Post »This battle is long over and the Lord God of Israel will not help us if we turn our nose up to his word and accept Athenian philosophia doctrine (any version including Darwin, Hegel, Marx&Engels, Hegel, GB Shaw and countless others). This is how our Father gets our attention and get our focus in the right direction, by letting us experience Satanic doctrine first hand.
Every Christian reading this blog needs to reassess their alignment, is it with our Father or with Marx, there is no in between. The prophecy of Daniel speaks of a power from the West which destroys Persia and Media (Iran and Iraq) just before the final 4 kingdoms are established. It also talks about a deadly wound being placed under Esau (Russia). So we have not seen the end of this game yet. There is a failure coming to global Marxism and I feel it starts in November of 2012.
hauschild
Posted on June 28, 2012 at 8:45am@Hawk
And Bingo was his name – oh!
Report Post »Inlightofthings
Posted on June 28, 2012 at 8:55amHAWK:
Report Post »How did the Jewish and the Catholics get hijacked and become historically left leaning? I could never understand it…
soybomb315
Posted on June 28, 2012 at 10:15amIf the supreme court strikes down obamacare because of the mandate, perhaps it will open the door to a challenge to the social security program. If the government can’t force me to buy a product (healthcare), then how can they force me to buy a government product (social security). Afterall, we know that social security is not a good deal.
Of course, this may be a reason why they uphold obamacare….
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on June 28, 2012 at 8:14amI believe 90% of the laws they pass are unconstitutional – and this is no different.
However, if the SCOTUS looks at precident – they might not strike it down. The government already requires people to buy products. For instance, the government requires companies to have minimum disability insurance for their employees as well as other coverages. The government requires hospitals to treat people who do not have insurance….. Companies are just groups of individuals – so the precident has already been established.
Report Post »jsciai
Posted on June 28, 2012 at 8:34amsoybean,
Report Post »once again, I think you are getting this wrong. The FEDERAL government does not require any INDIVIDUAL to buy ANYTHING. It is the STATE govermnments that require certain public safety type purchases–car insurance, etc. The FEDERAL government does, however, REGULATE certain aspects of commerce, etc, that does affect the daily life of the individual.
jsciai
Posted on June 28, 2012 at 8:37amCorrection–With the exception of OBAMACARE, the Federal government doesn’t require individuals to buy anything.
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on June 28, 2012 at 8:45ami purposely did not include car insurance
Report Post »bigbear_awake
Posted on June 28, 2012 at 8:47amCar insurance you have a option weather you drive or not
Report Post »hauschild
Posted on June 28, 2012 at 8:13amMe thinks things are going to get worse before they get better. As a result, I feel MarxistCare will be upheld. The individual mandate? Does it really matter at that point whether it is overturned? I think not. It just gives the regime more ability to “tinker” and devise new schemes to screw traditional Americans at a later point.
Stock up on the Kleenex, folks.
Report Post »BoyScout_Mom
Posted on June 28, 2012 at 10:15amThe American people do not yet fully understand the transfer of power that has already occured during his first term. The 50,000 pages of Law (MarxCare, FrankenDodd, Banks, and now Territory, Property, and Liberty) has already made congress and the constitution irrelevant; the court is next. This is why Dear Leader is so confident in his arrogance to ignore the other branches, including the useful serfs of his party. Everyone who cares about this country and our future (including those of us who do not wish to vote Romney) need to realize the Transformation has already occured. The next congress will be completely powerless to reverse anything, do anything, Unless we take the whole enchilada – the Presidency. Everyone, please, read this analysis of The First Term.
http://www.chronicleonline.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=4839&sid=8e95acd0fc5bc10ad601d76e678a8acc&view=print
Obama’s Second Term Transformation Plans
The 2012 election has often been described as the most pivotal since 1860. This statement is not hyperbole. If Barack Obama is re-elected the United States will never be the same, nor will it be able to re-capture its once lofty status as the most dominant nation in the history of mankind.
The overwhelming majority of Americans do not understand that Obama’s first term was dedicated to putting in place executive power to enable him and the administration to fulfill the campaign promise of “transforming America ” in his second term regardless of
Report Post »Southernguy
Posted on June 28, 2012 at 8:12amGod help us if it aint struck down.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on June 28, 2012 at 8:43amUnfortunately, I think it will be a half measure, just like the Arizona ruling.
Report Post »Robert Hawk
Posted on June 28, 2012 at 8:47amThe southern United States needs to focus on the border with Mexico. There is a storm of fury brewing there that will be unleashed on Southerns if they are not awake. Don’t plan on any help coming from the Federal Goverment, as they were the ones who sold the weapons to the enemy across the border. Governors of the souther states need to consider large scale deputizing of the public in order to form their own militia to combat the border war brewing in Mexico. A show of force along the border would be the ticket to defeating the Marxist plans action against the southern USA (mostly republican). Shut down the drug traffic and detain the illegals, should be the primary focus of Southerners until after the election.
Report Post »The law does not allow the States to intercede in legal immigration and they should not. However the law does allow the states to protect themselves if need be, even mustering a militia if needed. That is what needs to occur.
Capture and Detain these illegals in camps. Detain them but don’t hurt them. Any that wish to return to Mexico allow them to return. Advise ICE of the others and keep them detained until ICE handles their deportation our homeland security approves their application for entry. The states can not decide their immigration status, but they can detain them until that status is clear.
qpwillie
Posted on June 28, 2012 at 8:07amIf the SCOTUS votes down that vile monster, we‘re going to see some dictatorship like we haven’t seen up to this day. 0bamacare is the very hub of the plan to “fundamentally transform” the USA and they’re not going to give it up easily. There will be a whole list of executive orders passed immediately.
Let’s just hope congress has the guts to do something about it.
Report Post »Robert Hawk
Posted on June 28, 2012 at 8:22amActually No,
Report Post »The Health care act is part of a larger set of legislation which has already been put in place over the last 4 decades. The health care bill alone, provides control to the government over everyones health. Most people don’t understand that comment. Its means that ALL decisions concerning your health, no longer belong to the individual but to the government. The government can therefore dictate to you what you will and will not do based upon the power given them by this legislation.
The interesting issue is, this is the same, exact action which Hitler and the 3rd Reich took when they gained control of Germany just before WWII. It was under their health care system that the Jews and the elderly and the mentally handicapped and political dissidents against the 3rd Reich were euthanized.
This is how communism works boys and girls. The plan was to have anyone who dared stand agains the Democratic-Marxists declared by their health care doctors to be mentally incompetent…. Starting to understand. Anyone who dared speak a word agains the Democratic-Marxists would be held by the health system for evaluation and treatment… Starting to get it?
Now understand that this part of the legislation remains, even though the individual mandate is eliminated.
MCDAVE
Posted on June 28, 2012 at 8:33amThe same congress that passed the bill without reading it?..The same congress that does nothing while Obama strips the nation of its freedoms?…They will do the same thing they have been doing……NOTHING…
Report Post »qpwillie
Posted on June 28, 2012 at 8:52am@Robert Hawk
This is a plan that was drawn up in the late 60s and was scheduled to be implemented “about 50 years later.”. It was set into action in 2008. It is a separate thing from what had already been going on.
I hate to have to say this but it sounds like you are buying in on the Alex Jones/Ron Paul propaganda which will lead you directly in the opposite direction of what is going on. That’s exactly why the Paulbots are indoctrinated to believe “they’re ALL the same”.
Report Post »ColoradoMaverick
Posted on June 28, 2012 at 8:00amIf the SCOTUS strikes this down, just watch the temper tantrum Obama and his Chicago cronies with have. Pelosi’s head might just explode. God help us and let’s pray for our country.
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on June 28, 2012 at 7:59amThe course of our Nation is set today.
Report Post »1. Strike it all down and we will have a revolution on hand to really take back the Republic
2. Strike down the mandate only and we wander back and forth between lunacy and idiocy…
3. Let it all stand….and i go to jail, lose all my money and probably get shot protesting and raising hell…I will NOT comply.
jackact
Posted on June 28, 2012 at 7:57amToday is step two in taking back our country.
Report Post »The 2010 “shellacking” and now the impending repeal of Obamacare.
Next, in Nov, the take back of the US senate and the presidency.
By January we’ll be on the proven path of constitutional conservatism.
For generations.
It is the beginning of the end of progressivism and the unions.
The writing is on the wall.
States rights here we come!
mama6
Posted on June 28, 2012 at 8:03am@Jackact I pray that you’re right!!!!
Report Post »fedup ohio
Posted on June 28, 2012 at 8:23amYou are dreaming. Not that I want Obamacare to survive, but there is no way that the court will strike it all down. And as far as the 2010 shellacking. That was one of my happiest days. But, because the Republicans handle the following months so badly, and over stepping their bounds, Obama WILL win again. P.S. Not to mention, it will be round two of Mitt “McCain” Romney. The liberal Romney will go down due to Bain Capital. AGAIN, the lesser of two evils to vote for.
Report Post »jackact
Posted on June 28, 2012 at 9:17amI completely forgot……Thank you Obama!
Report Post »Robert Hawk
Posted on June 28, 2012 at 7:54amThe supreme court already said during their review that their opinion was to send the law back to congress for repair. The justices said at that point, they were the judicial and not the legislative branch. Their intention was to send the law back to congress for rework of the components which were not supported according to the opinion of the supreme court.
The supreme court wil not strike down the entire law, sending it all to the trash can as some suppose. They will throw the ball back in congress court, and make them digest the 2700 bill and sort out the details. This will create a limbo situation for those federal departments gearing up for this legislation as well as the medical industry. Legally anyone who is forced according to this law could contest its validity based upon the courts opinion and win their case. The federal departments who choose to act under the legislation will do so understanding that any regulatory activity taken under the legislation could be contested in an court of law and most likely defeated, leaving the government agency powerless to enforce the law. Further, congress will not be compelled to fund activities of the US government where the basis of the legislation is deemed by judicial opinion to be unconstitutional.
Report Post »Its going to be a mess until Congress actually gets a vote to eliminate it or gut it to near nothing.
hauschild
Posted on June 28, 2012 at 8:14amI’m afraid you are absolutely right.
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on June 28, 2012 at 7:54amIt will be interesting. If the democraps had any sense, they will use this opportunity to show mitt romney as a hypocrite when it comes to healthcare mandate (Romneycare). The states are not allowed to force you to buy a product, just like the federal government is not allowed to force you to buy a product.
Report Post »jsciai
Posted on June 28, 2012 at 8:21amSorry soybean, no cudos on this one. Romney has contiuouisly and vociferously pledged to repeal, remove or reject the FEDERAL program as unconstitutional, uneconomical and just plain bad law. States, however, have the right to enact such a law if the citizens of that state so desire.
Report Post »Inlightofthings
Posted on June 28, 2012 at 8:50amSOY:
Can you support this claim…”Another benefit of them striking down Obamacare is that it would also expose Romneycare as unconstitutional…”
I‘m genuinely curious and can’t find your angle…
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on June 28, 2012 at 8:56amNo, states cannot violate constitutional rights
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on June 28, 2012 at 9:11am@Inlightofthings
Report Post »Because I don’t want people’s constitutional rights violated by government.
I don’t want other states to have their version of Romneycare shoved down their throats.
I also want the Republicans to understand that they are not above the constitution either
Todd P
Posted on June 28, 2012 at 7:53amThis monstrosity is SO going away. Obama and Pelosi will be humiliated at last!
ROMNEY 2012
Report Post »Southernguy
Posted on June 28, 2012 at 7:58amI sure hope so.
Report Post »wakewiseone
Posted on June 28, 2012 at 8:01ampiglosi can take that gavel and shove it where the sun dont shine.
Report Post »Robert Hawk
Posted on June 28, 2012 at 8:04amYou don’t understand the judicial system. Todays vote will be against the constitutionality of the individual mandate, that is certain and sure. However the remainder will be very confusing to Americans as they will not understand what happens to the remainder of the 2700 page bill. The Supreme Court is not going to read the entire bill, they are simply going to kick it back to congress for rework. This means all of the other activities in the bill will be in limbo. Congress does not have to fund them if they do not want to and the Executive branch can press foreword with their implementation.
The best explanation would be That the remainder of the bill remains law, however it remains questionable as to its ability to be enforced due to the courts opinion on the individual mandate.
Nothing will happen with it until after the election. Its important the all Americans who do not want government control of their health, pay attention and vote for those people who will stand for the elimination of this very Marxist based legislation. Americans must load both houses and the presidency with those people who have sworn to uphold the elimination by vote of this legislation. That is the only way this nightmare goes away. The Democrats brought us this Marxist legislation, voters need to remember that at the polls in November and vote each and everyone of them out in each and every election through out the entire of the United States both federal and local.
Report Post »AChatterer
Posted on June 28, 2012 at 8:06amPelosi cant be humiliated. She would just smile and ramble on about crap that nobody understands about how she won. The funny part is her constituents will believe her.
Report Post »Inlightofthings
Posted on June 28, 2012 at 7:53amACA on the clock?…hopefully in a few hours it will be on the mat!!!
Report Post »Pug
Posted on June 28, 2012 at 7:51amtoday is the day we find out if senior citizens live or die according to hussien…
Report Post »Robert Hawk
Posted on June 28, 2012 at 8:14amThe concern here is that the government maintains the quazi control over your health, even though you are no longer forced to purchase the health care. You will not see the current administration back off of building its vast Marxist based health machine. If the vote is against the individual mandate, then Congress can refuse to fund the legislation and any federal activities which take place as part of the legislation (such as the 13000 treasury agents).
What ever occurs today, the repercussions are going to be a mess until we send enough people to congress to vote against the legislation based on the courts opinion. Its most important that people do not get caught up in the presidential issue this November and concentrate on the Congress. Everyone in congress who voted for this legislation, needs to be replaced. We need a solid 2/3 majority in both houses and we can eliminate this legislation and more, regardless of who is president. Its better for Americans to have a congress who is aligned with We the people, and not the Marxists. A strong congress can move a single entity such as a president. The republican congress under Clinton proved that to be true. We need to replace the Democratic -Marxists with Libertarians and Republicans, and continue to do so until all Democrats are completely gone. The Democratic party is infected by Soviet Marxists and can not be fixed.
Report Post »scrudge
Posted on June 28, 2012 at 7:51amAh Yes.. I would like to see that gavel stuck up her backside… hammer end first
Report Post »Southernguy
Posted on June 28, 2012 at 7:59amlol
Report Post »Nemo13
Posted on June 28, 2012 at 7:48amI expect it to be a 50-50. That is what always happens, never a clean victory, always some garbage left over to manipulate, both sides will claim their little victory. The Costitution is CLEAR. It all has to go. If not, then WE THE PEOPLE need to consider the removal of our corrupt gov’t.
Report Post »MCDAVE
Posted on June 28, 2012 at 7:45amObamacare is the biggest job killing legislation ever created. I hope its struck down in its entirety so America can go back to work..Of course Obama will take credit for any increase in employment created by its destruction.
Report Post »TenthAmendmentNetwork
Posted on June 28, 2012 at 7:42amThe law is so complex, so difficult to unwind, that I think the Supreme Court will have no choice but to find the individual mandate unseverable from the rest and to strike the entire thing down. A house without its foundation won’t stand long — and to gut this law by removing the individual mandate would have the same metaphoric effect.
The REAL constitutional assessment:
Report Post »http://www.tenthamendment.net/home/universal-health-care-insurance-mandate-constitution.asp
soybomb315
Posted on June 28, 2012 at 7:49amHope so. Is this related to the 10th ammendment center?
Another benefit of them striking down Obamacare is that it would also expose Romneycare as unconstitutional – since the states cannot violate our natural rights any mroe than the federal government
Report Post »jsciai
Posted on June 28, 2012 at 8:29amsoybean, All powers not specifically given to the FEDERAL government are retained by the STATES and the PEOPLE. States can and do things that the FEDERAL government cannot do. Have you read the constitution?
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on June 28, 2012 at 9:28am@jsciai
Report Post »You have a naïve understanding of the constitution. States cannot violate your constitutional rights to guns, religion, speech, etc. Do you think it is our constitutional right to not buy health insurance? Then a state cannot violate it. I refer you to my other posts
HKS
Posted on June 28, 2012 at 7:42amUsing the Arizona example, it would appear that the court is more likely to side with the administration.
Report Post »cloudsofwar
Posted on June 28, 2012 at 7:42ami think it’s shameless to keep the American people waiting for this ruling. the supremes knew for the last couple months what the ruling would be they should have told us. all the talk surrounding this healthcare law they must be loving the speculation. i wonder how many of them don’t want to take a stand against the first Black POTUS. we shall soon see, maybe.
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on June 28, 2012 at 7:40amI heard savage talking about how Justice Roberts may have changed his mind. I agree – I dont trust him
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on June 28, 2012 at 10:21amTold you so!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on June 28, 2012 at 7:33amRomney said it will show that “the first 3 1/2 years of this president’s term will have been wasted on something that has not helped the American people.” If the law is upheld, “we’re going to have to have a president – and I’m that one – that’s going to get rid of Obamacare. We’re going to stop it on Day One,” Romney said.
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So Romney is saying Obama’s term has been a waste if it doesnt pass, but not a waste if it does pass? Seems like Obama’s term has been a waste regardless of this ruling
jsciai
Posted on June 28, 2012 at 8:46amDude, Romney was OBVIOUSLY speaking from the perspective of Obama himself and his followers, since this was his SIGNATURE accomplishment. Of course, from our perspective his entire presidency has been a waste, or more specifically, a ruination. Now, if you would like to pick some more nits, I have a part of my anatomy I can direct you to.
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on June 28, 2012 at 7:33amDumm dumm dum duummmmm
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on June 28, 2012 at 7:50amyour comments never make any sense
Report Post »Inlightofthings
Posted on June 28, 2012 at 8:46amSOY, you were probably studying during Dragnet….
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on June 28, 2012 at 8:57amthat one is over my head as well – i know its early for you guys but come on
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on June 28, 2012 at 7:32amLet this mess die the final death today o’Lord.
Obamacare is unconstitutional across the board, and if the Feds are allowed to get away with it in the least, there will be no limit under Obama what they can do to anyone at any time. I hope that the justices recalled that the ‘tax’ of Obamacare was at first not declared a tax until it started to go to the SCOTUS, and then Obamas admin changed tactics and direction.
Let this abomination of tyranny die.
Report Post »Angel_light
Posted on June 28, 2012 at 7:49amAmen!
Report Post »RedDirtTexas
Posted on June 28, 2012 at 8:02am“It’s not a tax! It’s not a tax! Wait. You mean the whole law can stand if it’s a tax? It is a tax! It is a tax! This administration is the goofiest in history!
Report Post »watashbuddyfriend
Posted on June 28, 2012 at 7:30amAs I sit here wondering, and expecting a ruling on what is right for the majority of Americans, and hoping it will not be an APPEASMENT vote!
Report Post »kickagrandma
Posted on June 28, 2012 at 7:16amPRAYING FOR GOD‘S intervention on HIS kids’ behalf.
PRAYING for hearts of stone to be turned to hearts of flesh.
PRAYING for AMERICA.
JESUS GOD, we thank YOU for YOUR gift of allowing us to come directly into YOUR presence. FATHER GOD, we beg YOU for YOUR healing of our nation beginning this very day with decisions that will affect us and effect change in our country.
Report Post »THANK YOU, HOLY SPIRIT, for leading GOD’S kids in their decision and for nailing shut the mouths of the enemy of old and his gutless wonder followers.
In JESUS MIGHTY NAME, we do pray this morning, amen.
watashbuddyfriend
Posted on June 28, 2012 at 7:28amI say Amen, and Amen!
Report Post »jpickle
Posted on June 28, 2012 at 7:57amPlease DEAR LORD be with our leaders. Let them make the rightous decision and know what is in YOUR heart and our best interest. Let them be clear minded and do what is best for this country, in JESUS name we pray, AMEN!
Report Post »reallyannoyed
Posted on June 28, 2012 at 9:46amAre you kidding? You PRAY for people to lose their access to health care? Sick.
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