Obama’s Contraceptive Mandate Goes Into Effect Today: ‘Cherished Liberty…Thrown in a Gov‘t Dumpster’
- Posted on August 1, 2012 at 11:00am by
Billy Hallowell
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For months, we’ve heard about the controversial contraceptive mandate. And now, after intense debate, no-cost birth control will officially be offered — by government directive — in employer health care plans starting today, August 1, 2012. Since its announcement, the mandate, which continues to be heralded by President Barack Obama, has been contentious for a variety of reasons.
To begin, many big government opponents believe that federal officials shouldn’t be in the business of dictating what private companies cover. Furthermore, with affordable options available for birth control purposes, some wonder why a no co-pay, no contribution system is a necessity (after all, there are numerous life-saving drugs that aren’t currently being mandated).
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On the religious front, church-affiliated groups have made their stance known. Since January, relations between the Obama administration and faith communities, particularly the Catholic Church, have declined substantially. These groups do not believe that it is sensible, constitutional or proper for the federal government to dictate what faith-based institutions should include in health plans.
Furthermore, the Catholic Church stands firmly opposed to birth control, thus creating a situation in which the faith-affiliated employers would be forced to violence conscience in order to comply with the law.
While these issues continue to be considered and debated, the mandate has gone into full effect today, but with one caveat; religious institutions have been given an additional year to come up with a compromise with administration officials.
Originally, Obama’s plan would have exempted all churches, while requiring universities, hospitals and social service groups with an attachment to religious institutions to comply. But after an uproar, these latter institutions were given the additional year to sort through issues and concerns.
Already, legal battles have unfolded with a victory resulting for those supporting the mandate and another for those opposing it. Interestingly, religious colleges are among those seeking to stop with mandate, with the University of Notre Dame standing as one of the latest to join in the fight.
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Despite the ongoing church versus state drama, the mandate, today, is in effect for most new and renewing health insurance plans. A variety of health care services (a full list can be found here) — many of which are benign and relatively uncontroversial — are included on the required list.
Shirking the controversy surrounding the regulation, Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius took to Capitol Hill on Tuesday and praised the new regulations going into effect.
“Surveys showed that more than half the women in this country delayed or avoided preventive care because of its cost,” she explained, surrounded by senators who voted for the health care bill.
“All new insurance plans will be required to cover additional services and tests for women, with no out-of-pocket costs, including domestic violence screenings, FDA-approved contraception, breast feeding counseling and supplies, and a well woman visit, where she can sit down and talk with her health care provider,” she added.
Not everyone shared such a positive view on the matter. Take, for instance, Matt Smith, president of the Catholic Advocate.
“August 1st will be remembered as the day our most cherished liberty was thrown in a government dumpster and hauled away,” he said on the eve of the mandate’s effective date. “A day when family-owned small businesses were forced to abandon their religious beliefs to provide products and services for free.”
Clearly, the debate is far from over. And judging from the rhetoric coming from both sides, the next year of negotiations between faith groups and the federal government will be less-than-pleasant.
(H/T: NPR)
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Aiser
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 3:05pmIn a few years you will see female unemployment rates astronomically rise as employers will refuse to hire them due to these additional regulatory cost.
Report Post »mdman
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 4:04pmProbably not as even the males have to have this coverage, even though they will never use it
Report Post »PA PATRIOT
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 5:18pmDid you see the tears at Mount Rushmore?
Report Post »Jim in Houston
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 3:04pmDoes this miserable little SOB think has been appointed GOD? The churches need to tell him to take his mandate and stick it where the sun don’t shine!
Report Post »Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 3:41pmJim,
You’re right. I’m pretty disappointed in the “church”’s refusal for civil disobedience.
Report Post »Thatsenough
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 3:46pmWe‘re trying but no one’s listening. The HOR tried and got votes to have the Senate look at it again at least three times but it appears the Senate and Judiciary are about us poor slobs, plebians, and peasants.
Report Post »girlnurse
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 4:01pm“The church” is NOT “the church”. The church you speak of is a man made corporation/religion. WE CHRISTIANS are “the church”. The so called “preachers” are too caught up in the 5013c and their money to pretend to care whats going on. Read “Tortured for Christ” (great book) by Richard Wormbrand who said:
Report Post »” Communism is a tremendous foe of Christianity and MOST dangerous. Against it we must unite! The highest goal of man is to become Christlike. To prevent this is the main aim of communists. They are primarily anti-religious. They believe after death man becomes salt and minerals, nothing else, They desire the whole life to be lived on the level of matter.”
KURT1010
Posted on August 2, 2012 at 6:42amI bet he can walk on water !
Report Post »AmericanScientist
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 2:35pmIm beginning to think that America should conduct an experiment and have the conservative states live their way and the Liberal states live their way for the next 4 or so years and see which side fares better so than all people can see for themselves what they believe in and want to get them selves into. Just a thought I‘m not sure if it’s the best Idea.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 2:49pmthe red states will get poorer (if that’s even possible) and the blue states will do even better. blue states may not want red states back in after 4 years, so careful what you wish for.
currently, based on GDP per capita, here are the bottom ten (as of 2010):
Mississippi, Idaho, West VA, S. Carolina, New Mexico, Alabama, Arkansas, Montana, Kentucky.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_GDP
notice a trend?
Report Post »Larry E
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 2:57pmIf Montana could get rid of the Demorats running this state for the past 8 years, and Glorious Leader’s hatred of coal Montana would be doing just fine. More coal and oil than we know what to do with, and lots of other natural resources too that the enviro whacko‘s don’t want to be used.
What are Kalifornia, New Yawk, and most of the other “blue states” going to do? Declare bankruptcy and beg the rest of us to bail them out. Who’ll pay for your welfare then? Not us.
Report Post »girlnurse
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 3:09pmHere is a place where the democrat programs have REALLY worked!
Report Post »http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hhJ_49leBw&feature=player_embedded
girlnurse
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 3:29pmHaha Have you looked at California lately athiest?? Get some recent stats. Their cities are toppling like dominos! I wonder what city will go BANKRUPT next. Please stop believing your God Obamas talking points…watch what they DO and what is REALLY happening…not what they say is happening.
Report Post »Obama says his recovery worked!! For whom?? Yea it worked for big corporate monopolies maybe or maybe for foreign countries overseas…
Le Sellers
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 3:48pmWhat your implicit argument boils down to is this: You like brownies. O’bama offers you some brownies with ¼ tsp of his “secret ingredient”. You say, “Well, I like brownies, so I’ll eat this one, even if I don’t like dog poop, just so I can get the chocolate.”
O‘bama didn’t pay for the brownies, he robbed someone else of the money to buy the ingredients. O‘bama didn’t make the brownies, he forced a baker down the street to do that. He took the brownies, he gave them to you and wants the credit for it.
Now, there is another person who likes brownies, too, but who, after discovering the “secret ingredient”, decides he doesn’t want to eat them. But O’bama pulls a gun (the National Guard or the FBI, or the local sheriff) and says, “Eat this, and like it!”
I think I‘d prefer dying to eating O’bama’s brownies, especially if the alternative is becoming O‘bama’s slave.
Report Post »bumfuzeled
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 6:21pm@ sillyatheist You might want to check your colors again. In 2008 eight of you ten went blue. Now real statistics show that the economies of the right-to-work red states growing at incredible rates with the highest in Texas fallowed by North Dakota far out pacing the puny blue states of Washington, Oregon, California, New York and Massachusetts. Come back and play again when you find another set of skewed numbers and I’ll slap ya again.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 2:32pmi’d like people to keep in mind that what goes into effect today is not just contraception coverage, it also covers:
“pap smears to detect cervical cancer, to STD screenings, to other kinds of cancer screenings, to gestational diabetes testing if you`re pregnant, to breast feeding supplies if you’re a new mom”.
is anyone here against these things?
Report Post »girlnurse
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 2:43pmIm against athiests
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 2:51pmit hurts doesn’t it? it hits you smack in the face that you’re against something that is in YOUR own best interests. why? b/c you cling to your religion like it’s going to save your life when there are actual life saving things in the bill. use your head GIRL.
Report Post »Larry E
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 3:00pmCould you tell us why if Zerocare is so wonderful that the big unions like SEIU and Mslms are exempt from it?
Report Post »TeresaJ
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 3:02pmI‘m against paying for someone else’s STD screenings, and somewhat against paying for cervical cancer testing, since the highest likely reason for someone to get cervical cancer is by multiple sexual contact.
I’m also against the government taking my money without my consent. The poor is the job of the church and the people, not the government. I want to donate to the charities I know and trust. If there is one place that is the last I trust to use my money wisely, it’s the government.
Report Post »girlnurse
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 3:05pmHaha…Listen honey..I cling to the things that matter most. You see, I have a future and it’s not of this world. I cling to Jesus, to goodness, to love, and family. I have a gun to protect all that if need be but I don’t “cling” to it. “To live is Christ and to die is gain” “What can mere man do to me”?
There is NOTHING….I repeat NOTHING this government can do to me OR for me that will ever be any good. Ive been there-Ive seen it. Ive been in the military, worked for federal, local state, and prison systems. I KNOW how the government operates and I know what happens when they get their hands on something…it ALWAYS gets worse in quality AND quantity. The sad part is people like YOU clinging to this world that is dying every day thinking some day you will have a paradise here when all you are building with your government rules, regulations, money, and oppressive power structure is a living hell right here on earth! So NO it doesn’t “hurt” me..it deeply saddens me to the core..
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 3:11pmTERESA – should i be against someone’s tennis elbow surgery? i don’t play tennis, yet i’m forced to pay! that’s not fair!!!! but that’s how insurance works.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 3:13pmGIRL – i hope your future comes sooner than later. why wait? paradise awaits!
we are obviously coming from different ends of the spectrum and i can’t imagine finding a single thread of common ground. so long.
Report Post »Le Sellers
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 3:30pm“… against _these_ things?” No! Why did you even imagine anyone was “against these things?”
What we oppose is forcing someone else to pay for them, and forcing anyone to act against his convictions, especially religious convictions. Since you have no religious convictions, it is impossible for you to see how important it is to those who do.
But even you could grasp (I hope, at least) that if someone were to rape you (irrespective of whether you are male or female), it would be a fundamental violation of your rights as an individual. This is no less a violation of the same kinds of rights. We feel exactly the same way about it. If there were a law requiring that you submit to being raped, because sex, for instance, reduces prostate cancer rates in men, you would rightly oppose it (I assume — it is, after all, a health issue, you might support it). Why do you support rape of a different nature, that is, the violation of someone’s fundamental human right to believe as he chooses?
Further, I bear no responsibility for anyone else’s choices. If a woman chooses to engage in procreative activity, she must recognize that she and her mate always run the risk of conceiving a child: that’s the nature of sexual intercourse. If either of them doesn’t WANT a child, they should take appropriate action to avoid it:
Report Post »No one else chose.
No one else has the pleasure.
No one else should pay for it.
Le Sellers
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 3:39pmBTW, just because people oppose the abortifacients and contraceptives part of O‘bamaDon’tCare, does not mean that he opposes health care (which O‘bamaDon’tCare doesn’t guarantee at all: what it guarantees is that people have health insurance, and they are NOT the same thing).
Actually, O‘bamaDon’tCare pretty well guarantees that people will have health insurance, but will NOT have health care. It‘s the LAW of Supply’n’Demand. No Congress and no President can repeal that LAW: it’s been around since the first man picked up a stick and used to to pull an apple from a tree.
Report Post »girlnurse
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 3:40pmIs that why you’re here, to find “common ground”?? Better find a new website to troll…the days of “common ground” are over! This so called president and his group of ilk RINOS are systematically destroying this country on purpose. This is no mistake and I pray your eyes will be opened. Have you noticed trends that come but do not go? How bout “automatic bank withdrawls”? Pretty soon they will demand this for EVERYTHING. I tried to join a gym and they would not let me join unless I signed up for it. Even if I offered them a years cash in advance.
Report Post »How bout “free speech zones”? TSA? Soon they will be everywhere! Have you researched that? OR you are just fine with ALL your rights being systematically removed only to have your life run by a tyrannical Marxist power structure! Go for it! I and MANY of my friends are done!
My rights are unalienable and they come from God NOT a group of men who crave power to run the world and mistreat people whom they percieve to be less than. We are ALL equal under God…not because of money, status, house, car, job, OR even an $8500 BLOUSE! So “so Long” athiest! I hope it’s REALLY so Long…because people on this board are too awake and they see right through your sound bite Obama lovin nonsense! Don’t forget your CHIC-FIL-A today people! FREEDOM!
Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 3:43pmI’m against slavery.
Hence I’m against the stroke of a pen forcing one person to labor for another.
So, yes.
Report Post »Centurian
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 4:56pmYa know, Atheist, I am against the idea that there are people who are homeless out there and people who do not have enough to eat.
Therefore, the government should give everyone in this country free housing and food.
You stated:
“pap smears to detect cervical cancer, to STD screenings, to other kinds of cancer screenings, to gestational diabetes testing if you`re pregnant, to breast feeding supplies if you’re a new mom.
is anyone here against these things?”
I hope that you are seeing the flaw in your logic. Traipsing through the streets, flinging flowers and good thoughts to everyone isn’t very productive, since it tends to bankrupt the person who is paying for the housing and food. Likewise, while you statement is loaded with ‘goodwill feelings’, the fact of the matter is that, at the end of the day, it is a question of money.
It is also a question of freedom. It is an employer’s right to determine what is in their healthcare plan, not the government’s. While you are desiring is a socialist government, where businesses and the individual no longer has rights.
Simply put: the only way for your desire for this plan to continue is for our current government to completely ignore the U.S. Constitution….
oh, wait…I forgot…they ARE ignoring the Constitution!
So I guess your little socialist/communist self should be happy with Obama and Obamacare….
Report Post »bumfuzeled
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 6:26pmI am against having to pay for others. So yes I am against pap smears if it means that I have to work one extra minute to pay for someone else too lazy to cover the cost of their own care. I’m not against the procedures but the extortion used to pay for them. I for one am disobeying civilly. I have stopped paying for health insurance for my employees. and have decided instead to pay them more and let them decide how to spend that money.
Report Post »girlnurse
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 2:17pmSo tell me again how we live in a free country?
Tell me…if this country is so free and Obama is not a dick-tator,
then how does what he say goes when “the people” are clearly against it?
Why do we continue to sit back and watch him systematically destroy this country?
Oh yea…we live in a “Republic” right?. Isn’t North Korea a “Republic” too???
It is called “The peoples Republic”…ha…words matter…or do they???
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_People%27s_Republic_of_Korea
Report Post »justangry
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 2:24pmI don‘t believe we’ve been free for a LONG time.
Report Post »girlnurse
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 2:31pmRight justangry! I can’t believe how long it took me to notice! Its a bittersweet for sure….
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 2:34pmi know right! i can’t drive my car as fast as i want to. stupid speed limits taking away my freedom!
Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 3:48pm@philly,
I think you should drive as fast as you like. As soon as you destroy person or property you should be held accountable…not in a current criminal system kind of way but seriously accountable.
I‘d bet you that over the long haul in a system where people are held accountable that personal responsibility would be the norm and we wouldn’t have speed limits in the form that they exist now. You see, you operate under the assumption that man can’t regulate himself and needs the government to regulate for him. Which has it’s own problem since the falability of man is inherent in a government of man. But I digress. I believe that mankind can regulate itself. I believe in freedom, accountability and responsibility. I believe in a world with real consequences without excuses. I believe that a ruling class forcing people to labor for the benefit of others is slavery and those who support that are morally reprehensible.
Report Post »justangry
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 4:17pm@Philly, Yeah we live in a time where the government can legally (according to them) kill you based on nothing more than a hunch. I’m not talking about speeding, douchebag. And if you’ve actually paid any attention, you‘d know I’m not one to let the fascists in the GOP off the hook for this crap either.
Report Post »traitorbill
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 2:17pmhow do you think the founders would respond to such government provocation?
Report Post »MAX0O1
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 2:16pmOBAMA birth CONTROL=OR SOON TO China birth control. DOOR has opened!!
Report Post »spookchaser
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 12:57pmToo bad that Obammies mammy and the babies daddy did not practice birth control.
Report Post »dlivelli
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 12:48pmThis type of govt intrusion even violates a law from Schumer and Kennedy, from 1993… Now, being cognizant of their long standing conservative credentials, it is hard to fathom how this little gem slithered past their watchful eye!
People; it is a whole new ballgame. Conservatives, independents, libertarians even blue dog democrats need to lock arms and start marching. Otherwise we WILL all be socialists,(at best), and lose our freedom and individuality. Don’t let that article from…. I believe it was newsweek…or was it time…..I don’t remember. The “we are all socialists now” one come to pass. That is NOT what this country is or should be…EVER!
Report Post »JRook
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 2:19pmThis has nothing to do with government intrusion and everything to do with interstate commerce and the provision of health insurance. The variation across states in terms of cost and what is and isn’t covered is a glaring example of ideology, politics and big insurance money driving policy as opposed to economics and rationality. People think that insurance companies should cover $ million dollar bills for grossly deformed or fatally ill babies who will die within months of birth, but balk at covering contraception. Rather than be rational and come to grips with the FACT that 1/3 of Medicare costs are spent in the 6 months of life, idiotic politicians argue about privatizing Medicare, a situation that even the Health Insurance companies would not want. Driving public policy based on ideology or faith is the epitome of ignorance and arrogance.
Report Post »theprophetofpax
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 12:38pmI said it before and will again. The health insurance that I get through my employer, no matter how much of the premium they pay for, is part if my compensation. Pls someone tell me when in our constitution it gives my employers the right to dictate what I use MY pay for. Whats next, I have to sign a contract stating that I will not buy condoms with my paycheck? And if the find out I have, they get to fire me because they paid for something yhat went against their morality? What happened to freedom? Here u are saying thay the gov‘t can’t dictate our lives, but then u say that your employer should? bunch of hypocrites!
Report Post »HorseCrazy
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 1:08pmyou have the option to chose your health plan through your employer what level of coverage you get etc. you are not forced to work for your employer, if you do not agree with their values you are free to get another job. apparently that isn’t good enough for the federal government who instead of madating the coverage of lifesaving drugs on insurance plans is more concerned with everyone uterus.
Report Post »tiredofbeingtired
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 1:40pmmoron
Report Post »Thatsenough
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 3:52pmGood point
Report Post »JEANNIEMAC
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 12:06pmUnder Obamacare the government is authorized to withdraw taxes, penalties and fees from our personal and business accounts without our consent. The smart people have offshore accounts which pay much higher interest rates than do American banks. This is legal so long a you pay tax on the interest earned.
Report Post »Why not transfer your funds to an offshore foreign bank, so that you can refuse to pay for services condemned by your religious beliefs, and prevent the government from getting their grubby hands on your funds, safely tucked away in a foreign bank?
joe.r.piehole
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 12:35pmCongratulations, you are a globalist. Your allegiance is no longer to the greatest, freest nation that ever existed in this world. The nation that is responsible for the most dramatic strides in terms of human advancement. Because you are greedy and selfish, you would choose to abandon the very nation that made your wealth and lifestyle possible. What a terrible embarrassment you are to this country. And don’t give me any of that aw-shucks back-in-the-day nonsense either. Tax revenues are lower than ever as a percentage of GDP. So your perception that you are being treated unfairly is not grounded in any historical reality. The truth is that you are a selfish bigot, and it took a black president to make you realize that your personal prejudice outweighs your allegiance to the greatest nation the world has ever known. Shame on you.
Report Post »808Americans
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 1:55pm@ Mr. Piehole
Aloha,
Clearly the concept that the “greatest Nation on earth”; no longer acts in accordance with it’s own founding doctrine and this might upset a few folks, escapes you.
We do not like what is happening sir.
Report Post »We will take steps to address the issues.
This is our right.
Feel free to pump as much of your own monies into this scarcity as you desire.
Do not force everyone else.
girlnurse
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 2:29pmHey piehole. Wake up and smell the coffee! For years we let the gubment take what it needed until we realized not only do they NOT have OUR (the america people) best interest at heart,,,but they are working AGAINST us! Are you okay with US taxpayers spending $750,000 for a new soccer field for terrorists? How bout spendin tax $ to help rebuild Mosques? Okay how bout giving big $ grants for solar plants only to have the CEO’s take the money and run??? How bout foreign money to help the very same people who would wipe us all out if they had a chance? How bout shipping our jobs overseas? H.E.L.L.O have you called COMCAST cable lately??? My american Vets and brothers and sisters don‘t have work but I can’t even understand what they are saying when I call my local cable company! How bout we help those who fought for this country? Better yet..why don’t we stop playing games with peoples lives!? “Greatest, freest nation”..HAHA It WAS and we need to go back to what made it great and FREE. Don’t look now cause your so called “FREE COUNTRY” is circling the drain!
Report Post »Say cheese because chances are there is a camera pointed at you right now!
FrankJHornik
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 12:05pmWhat is really sad is that insurance companies have to provide contraceptives, but my nieces insurance dropped coverage of all diabetic test strips and meters……..
Report Post »justangry
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 1:24pmThey don’t care about people dying or suffering. It’s population control.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 11:55amWhat about the unemployed who no longer have heatlth care through their employer Barry? Where is their ‘access’ to free birth contol? I probably shouldn’t give him any ideas.
Report Post »HorseCrazy
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 1:10pmyes I dropped my employees health coverage. I can no longer afford it. I felt so awful I raised everyones pay to what I was paying for their coverage in an attempt to help them cover a portion of the cost which is now out of this world for their individual families.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 11:46am“Furthermore, the Catholic Church stands firmly opposed to birth control, thus creating a situation in which the faith-affiliated employers would be forced to violence (violate) conscience in order to comply with the law.”
tough noogies. sorry that the gov‘t won’t cave to your Dogma. your own parishioners don’t even follow your Dogma. this whole “violation of conscience” thing is hogwash. if we allow employers to decide what healthcare services they want to pay for it opens the door to all sorts of religious exemptions. it’s a slippery slope.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 11:56amSorry to disappoint you PILLDO..but those faith group’s rights are protected by the constitution, regardless of your “eat it” venom you’re spitting.
Report Post »Now I know you lefties hate the constitution…but it’s there just the same. This is why Obama had to back- peddle from the original wording of the absymal Obamacare and was forced to “mandate” that the providers faith groups use have to pay for the “free” contraceptives, abortions and sterilants” instead.
And of course..if the insurers are paying for it..then the cost is ultimately passed on to the consumer in his/her premiums.
Keep trying champ.
wianno94
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 12:08pmRight on philly. This is how democracy (mob rule) works.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 12:21pm‘ if we allow employers to decide what healthcare services they want to pay for it opens the door to all sorts of religious exemptions. it’s a slippery slope.’
Report Post »Who the hell are you OR Obama to decide what a PRIVATE employer pays for or doesn’t? The ‘slippery slope’ you fear is called freedom.
Obama Snake Oil Co
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 12:42pmDon‘t worry about those parisherners that don’t follow their teachings. You need to worry about those of us who do. You should also be wellcome to Romney for a landslide election win in November. You heard of PODS moving systems? You should send about a dozen to Michelle as her husband just alienated his base. Gay marriage? Sealed the deal. Make sure you put those PODS close to the doors of the whitehouse and while you are there, see if Michelle has a good recipe for dog…I think Beau soup is a family favorite!
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 12:59pm“Who the hell are you OR Obama to decide what a PRIVATE employer pays for or doesn’t? The ‘slippery slope’ you fear is called freedom.”
perhaps they shouldn’t offer healthcare to their employees at all. however, if they choose to do so, they don‘t get to pick and choose what they want to cover and what they don’t. their employees may be of varying religions – the employer doesn’t get to “discriminate” against their employees because of their particular faith. healthcare isn’t a religious issue, it’s as secular as it gets.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 1:53pmThey should of course be able to pick and choose what coverage they want to pay for and the employee can pick and choose what company he wants to work for. Freedom, I know its’ a bad word in your circles.
Report Post »Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 3:57pmPhilly wrote:
“perhaps they shouldn’t offer healthcare to their employees at all. however, if they choose to do so, they don‘t get to pick and choose what they want to cover and what they don’t. ”
Well if that ain‘t freedom I’ll kiss your #$%.
Don’t you love how the left is all about pro-choice so long as it’s them making the choices? Freedom at the barrel of a gun. Gotta love it.
Report Post »Centurian
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 5:07pm“if we allow employers to decide what healthcare services they want to pay for it opens the door to all sorts of religious exemptions. it’s a slippery slope.”
You have just shown yourself in this sentence as to where you stand on the Bill of Rights. These words, if you should decide to look it up for yourself, can be found in the first amendment of the Bill of Rights.
These words are:
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof…’
By declaring that a business owner or a religious organization does not have the right to express their morals or beliefs would be depriving these individuals of their first amendment rights. And since all of those people who work for these businesses have the right to leave their job because of their own morals and/or beliefs and seek employment somewhere else, I fail to see any legal standing that the Obama administration has upon forcing this upon any business(es).
In short, this is one of many executive orders from our pathetic excuse for a President that is not Constitutional.
But then again, since when has a liberal given a care about the Constitution?
Report Post »fixer
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 7:35pmthe day is coming atheist (SOON) that the conservative,moral majority in this country is gonna have enough of you and your kind and we’re gonna put our boot on your throat and end your pitiful existence.
Report Post »OldGringo
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 11:46amshut down HHS…let the private sector take over (since it is doing “just fine”)
Report Post »snooop1e
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 12:01pmThis “contraception mandate” is a Trojan Horse. This mandate isn’t about “health care” or “fairness” or “womens rights” This mandate is just one step toward de-constructing religious freedom and building the the utopian society that Liberals/Progressives believe in. The Catholic church has always been and always will be opposed to the artificial prevention and destruction of human life and this threatens the Liberal/Progressive vision/agenda. More human beings means more carbon emitters who need health care. Liberals/Progressives know that their vision of universal health care can only succeed if they regulate the creation of human beings (as China does) Liberals/Progressives (and many “Christians”) put more faith in the Government than they do in Almighty God. For them it’s “In Government We Trust” not “In God We Trust” Catholics affirm that the human soul is imparted at conception. Using chemicals that prevent the human fetus from attaching to the wall of the uterus thereby starving the human being to death in the womb is murder. Lord Have Mercy.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 11:33amNovember can’t come fast enough…..
Report Post »sWampy
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 11:42am90% of the women in the nation already can get free contraceptives if they just take the time to go to their local public health care clinic. Forcing everyone to pay for it again, is just another part of the liberal plan for universal slavery.
Report Post »rickc34
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 11:48amObama a Hater of God and the Bible has made many choices during the last 3 year and 7 months to show that he is not a Christian , nor does he have an understanding of the Bible and Gods word. He has shown to be an enemy of God and Gods standards and because of this nation will lose the blessings from God unless we turn back to God. Unemployment up, food and energy prices up, debt up, wages down.
Report Post »joe.r.piehole
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 12:38pmswampy, you mean the public health care clinics that the GOP has attacked mercilessly over the past 2 years, shutting down Planned Parenthood centers all across the nation?
Report Post »justangry
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 1:43pmYes November can’t possibly get here fast enough. No matter what, the government will be able to KILL anyone it wants without due process, but we might be able to “repeal and replace” higher taxes. Gays might not be able to get married too. I forgot about that being so DAMN IMPORTANT.
Report Post »Edohiguma
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 11:31amIt’s not going to work. Look into the EUSSR, this is where this farce will end you at. Sure, the EUSSR has lots of nationalized health care, but what do you get with that? The lowest common denominator. If you want top of the line, up to date, top notch treatments and care… you still have to pay for it yourself. Plus: ridiculous waiting lists. My mother had varix surgery a few years ago. National health care told her “waiting list is one year”. Private hospital told her “when do you want to come?” I had an accident and lost a tooth. The national health care treatment was shoddy at best (and completely wrong in reality, didn’t realize it until I checked.) So I went to the guy who’s professor for dental implant surgery, slammed a few thousand Euro on the table and got a top of the line implant. Totally worth it (same when I had my eyes lasered.) I wouldn’t even have gotten an implant with the nationalized health care, I would have gotten some cheap, low quality replacement, because that’s what “universal health care is”: cutting corners for the patients to pay the fat cat bureaucrats.
You get what you pay for.
Not to mention that pretty much all nationalized health insurances in the EUSSR that I know of are effectively bankrupt and can only survive because the governments put in more money they don’t have.
And, in case you’re wondering, I live in Austria, yep, that’s right in the heart of the “oh so great” neo-socialist EUSSR.
Report Post »justangry
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 11:30amWhy care about this “cherished liberty” while turning a blind eye to the other liberties we’ve lost?
Report Post »USPATRIOT101
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 11:36amGood point. Im just pissed at just another expense I now have to eat because of some dumba&& activist.
Report Post »Owt_Raged
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 11:27amHopefully in November we can end this complete government takeover of our personal lives. It‘s time to shackle the government and cut off it’s lifeblood (money) so it will wither.
Report Post »Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 11:26amHe just created a whole new voting bloc against him. Smart guy-NOT,
Report Post »lexington_green
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 1:42pmyeah, but he just expanded one that is already in the tank for him by giving all these self-centered silly women who already favor him by 20 points over romney another freebie.
i saw a ditz on a local news report on this last night saying, “well, with all the extra things that women have to deal with why shouldn’t we get more mon…, er i mean more stuf…, er i mean, more benefits.”
yeah. these idiots that obie is pandering to who thinks it’s all about “me, me, me” are going to be the death of this nation.
i wonder how all the now non-working welfare cases, illegal aliens, and promiscuous, self-obsessed women will feel in five years when the country is bankrupt, and the freebies are gone, gone, gone. dupes the lot of them. useful idiots for sure.
Report Post »Stoic one
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 11:26amThis is none of the FED’s business!
Repeal o’care and throw IT in the dumpster.
Report Post »USPATRIOT101
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 11:24amInstead of a woman going to Wal Mart and paying $12.00 for their birth control, barack steps in and mandates insurance companies to pay for it? Who do you think will get stuck with this added cost? I don’t have ovaries, pay for your own crap!
Report Post »Edohiguma
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 11:33amI will pay for their birth control when they pay for my ammo. Simple as that. Or my computer hardware. Where’s my free set of three 670 GTX?
Report Post »OneTermPresident
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 11:22amPay no attention to Obama…. the Commie divider is ONE and DONE.
Report Post »OneTermPresident
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 11:19amTake your mandates and put them where the Sun doesn’t shine… COMMIE!
Report Post »team1blazer
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 11:17amTotal government overreach. Time to repeal this legislation and boot these Commies out of DC.
Report Post »Stelex
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 12:17pmThere are alot more commies in DC than anyone thought, as well as the media, our schools, hollywierd………..Aint going to be easy. Joe M was right and the country fell asleep.
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