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Guess Who‘s Fighting Obama’s Job-Killing EPA Rules: Unions!

New EPA rules that threaten to cause electricity rates to “necessarily skyrocket” are also going to kill jobs all across the country. And the prospect of this attack on the economy is making both unions and small-government types stand up and protest.

A Texas company is suing to block new EPA “cross-state air pollution” rules. If the regulations are not changed, Luminant Energy claims it will be forced to close two plants and fire 500 people. Texas was not initially included in the new EPA rules that target sulphur-dioxin emissions with a mandate requiring a 64% reduction from 2010 levels, but in July the Lone Star state was added to the list.

The News-Journal of Longview, TX reports the new regulations will have a considerable effect on the region’s economy:

“This would be devastating to the Northeast Texas economy — not just Titus County,” Titus County Chamber of Commerce Director Faustine Curry said of the losses from the regional employer and taxpayer. “In Titus County, we have the power plant, the mines.”

Union workers in Missouri recognize that the EPA’s aggressive push will cost consumers more money while threatening to destroy jobs.

New EPA Rules Kill Jobs In Texas

Energy for Missouri Jobs is pushing for what they call a “balanced” approach from the EPA. Yahoo’s Business Wire reports with a quote from the former head of the St. Louis AFL-CIO:

“Missouri working families cannot afford regulations that will raise electricity costs and destroy jobs during this fragile economic recovery,” said Robert Kelley, President Emeritus of the St. Louis Labor Council and member of Energy for Missouri Jobs. “The EPA needs to consider a balanced approach that gives us cleaner air without sacrificing jobs and increasing energy prices.”

How important is coal to Missouri’s energy?

New EPA Rules Kill Jobs In Texas

The Chamber of Commerce has been screaming about the EPAs jobs-strangling regulation for months. Bill Kovacs, Senior VP of science, technology and regulatory affairs testified before a Congressional Committee last summer:

The cumulative impact of regulatory action can be overwhelming:  agencies literally have the power to decide the fate of firms and entire industries.  American Electric Power Co. made headlines last month when it disclosed that EPA’s “train wreck” of coal industry regulations—Coal Ash, Utility MACT, the Transport Rule and Cooling Water Intake structures—would force the utility to retire 6,000 megawatts of coal-fired generating capacity and spend another $6 billion to $8 billion reworking the rest of its fleet.  AEP would close three power plants in West Virginia, one in Ohio and one in Virginia, and would retire several boilers at coal plants in Indiana, Kentucky, Ohio, Texas and Virginia.

Unions are against the new EPA rules. Governors and utility companies are fighting it in the courts. And citizens will be hurt by massive, nationwide job losses as well as increased electricity costs.

We can’t say that President (then candidate) Obama didn’t warn us:

Comments (108)

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  • love the kids
    Posted on September 13, 2011 at 10:58am

    PLEASE make up your minds LIBS!!! What do you want?
    Remember, dirty air puts lots of union folks to work.

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    • Rogue
      Posted on September 13, 2011 at 11:28am

      conservatives: “I think…..”
      liberals: “I feel…..”

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    • turkey13
      Posted on September 13, 2011 at 11:51am

      The unions are afraid that the working union family in right to work states will give up their union membership and dues to pay their electric bill!

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    • 13th Imam
      Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:52pm

      Being from the Socialist State of Konnecticut, we are downwind of all the polluted air. We should sue all states to our west . Even Canada. But I shouldn’t give DEMOCRAT Gov Dan Malloy or DEMOCRAT Sen Sue Em All Blumenthal any ideas.

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    • BeerSnob
      Posted on September 13, 2011 at 1:20pm

      ummm…. go unions! (Man, that hurt to say)

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    • Morris
      Posted on September 13, 2011 at 1:28pm

      Dictator Barack Hussein Obama our Muslim -in-Chief, Don’t want jobs,He is out to KILL all jobs
      in our America!
      All Dictator Obama wants to do is keep making out his Executive Orders,Like bringing 60 to 80,000
      Muslims into the USA,From Somalia!
      Give Amnesty to 12-20 Million “ILLEGAL ALIEN INVADERS”,Mexicans and Muslims that keep sneaking into our America from Mexico ,Another Executive Order!
      Dictator Obama and Hillary Clinton are working like “HELL” With the UN to Pass new “GUN CONTROL LAWS”, This will be the Start of taking away our “GUNS”,And destroying our
      2-ND Amendment.,Think Dictator Obama has passed (4) of his Executive Orders on “GUN CONTROL”,this far, More Executive Orders!
      Dictator Barack Hussein Obama our Muslim -in-Chief is making up and signing his Executive Orders everyday,and none of his Orders are for the Benifit of our America,Or our American people!
      Were is Barack Hussein Obamas JEWELRY?????????????????
      IMPEACH THIS MUSLIM DICTATOR OBAMA, SAVE OUR AMERICA!
      Obama don’t want jobs for our America,He and Cass Sunstein are making up new Laws every day
      to “KILL” Jobs for our America!
      Impeach this Muslim Dictator,Save our America,Wake the hell up America!
      “CONGRESS WERE IN THE HELL ARE YOU,“WE THE PEOPLE”,VOTED YOU ALL INTO CONGRESS TO UPHOLD THE LAWS OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,YOU ALL ARE TO PROTECT OUR AMERICA FROM ALL ENEMIES,FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC,CONGRESS DON’T YOU THINK WE HAVE A DOMESTIC PROBLEM????????

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on September 13, 2011 at 1:55pm

      The unions wiping the sleep from their eyes and understanding..if there’s no employer around…there’s no union either.

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    • Servant Of YHVH
      Posted on September 13, 2011 at 2:05pm

      @love the kids
      You have to remember that while the unions bow down and worship obama and their dreams at night are all filled with dreams (I don’t care to know or find out if they are wet dreams or not) of him. In the end, the unions will fight anybody at the drop of a hat because they have complete and total disregard for people.

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    • The Giver
      Posted on September 13, 2011 at 2:18pm

      Morris, Congress is on a power trip. They dislike the Tea Party folks that got in because they REALLY want to stop the insanity. Congress is corrupt. The Republicans are trying to give us progressive Romney. The Dems want to give us Romney as our candidate. They all need to be voted out of office including Boehner. Pelosi said that elections shouldn’t make such a difference… as when the Tea Party folks stood their ground for fiscal sanity and less oppressive regulations. I came here legally from Cuba in the 60′s. You needed to have a sponsor who was responsible for you… and your health status had to be cleared. Most people who waited to come here legally and respect this country, do not want people from ANYWHERE coming here without permission. 2012 Morris, 2012!

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    • Ruler4You
      Posted on September 13, 2011 at 2:34pm

      Read the fine print, this only applies to union facilities.

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    • old white guy
      Posted on September 14, 2011 at 5:46am

      isn’t government control great. time to get off your arses and do something. shut down the epa. tell them their regulations are not going to be followed and stand up to obama and the rest of them stand infront of the power plant and the mines and make sure anyone who tries to shut them down are shutdown themselves.

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    • smithclar3nc3
      Posted on September 14, 2011 at 10:43am

      Now we know why Obama justcame out against the EPA. He knows who butters his bread and it’s the communist unions.

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  • Grace1798
    Posted on September 13, 2011 at 10:57am

    Obama is a Marxist…….what else did they expect? His plan is to dismantle America…….this includes the Unions. OH, he will make it LOOK LIKE he’s helping but you will see the same ole same ole in order to continue dismantling and impoverishing USA. This IS THE PLAN folks, better realize it now and remove him from power before it’s just too late to recover.

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    • Bum thrower
      Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:37pm

      What happened to all that “Hope & Change” stuff……….hmmmm????

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    • Gripes
      Posted on September 13, 2011 at 4:08pm

      The unions are a tool used by would-be dictators to wrest control. Once the ends have been met, the tool is now a threat as it can be used to wrest control away from the dictator. Threats are always handled without uncertain terms.

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    • Bill Rowland
      Posted on September 13, 2011 at 5:45pm

      You “hope” you have some “change” left in your pocket after you pay your electri and gasoline bills and buy groceries.

      pSALM 109:8

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  • I SPY
    Posted on September 13, 2011 at 10:56am

    Who needs international enemies when we already have Obama? He’s doing the job they never could.

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    • oldchevyguy
      Posted on September 13, 2011 at 11:18am

      He is doing the job that Americans don’t want to do!

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  • dsm
    Posted on September 13, 2011 at 10:50am

    The EPA shoul be defunded for starters, the regulations are 25,000 pages. Cavuto had a speed reader on yesterday trying to read them. Unions, regulations, Obama all very bad for business.,

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    • ruffnex
      Posted on September 13, 2011 at 10:57am

      I hope no one saw me toss my LIP GLOSS in the waste basket.

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  • Melvin Spittle
    Posted on September 13, 2011 at 10:49am

    What the heck? Did Trumka just come out of a drunken coma and finally realize that these EPA regs will impact union jobs as well? Did he think union jobs would get a pass somehow in his tiny mind?

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  • riseandshine
    Posted on September 13, 2011 at 10:45am

    The Unions were right in being against NAFTA and GATT also. But that didn’t stop Clinton and a majority of congress from pushing them through. Papa Bush pushed for their passage when he was President,and most of the Republicans were on board. I’ve never liked Unions…but when they’re right, they’re right.

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    • LogicalLee
      Posted on September 13, 2011 at 11:33am

      OK so lets get this straight, NAFTA as based on the version Bush senior wanted to pass as it regs and rules to limit jobs crossing borders, taxing imports and such, yet Clinton and the Democrat/Liberals they gutted it and the good treaty/trade agreement was lost, gone ,worthless.
      BUT Obama is so much worse than any other out there except Mrs. Clinton.

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  • Cymry
    Posted on September 13, 2011 at 10:43am

    No, the unions are not having a moment of clarity. They are predictibly having a moment of self-interest. They will vote for barry soetoro and they would follow their union bosses off the proverbial cliff.

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    • riseandshine
      Posted on September 13, 2011 at 10:54am

      The union workers may vote Republican, and many of them will, but yes, the Unions themselves will stick with the alleged President.

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  • pegw
    Posted on September 13, 2011 at 10:40am

    All of you that voted for Obama & refuse to admit he was changing us for the worse, stick this video in your
    stomach where my heart has been every since he was elected.

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  • don young
    Posted on September 13, 2011 at 10:39am

    The unions see obama is going to lose this race and they need to get on the side of the people or the people will be there downfall.

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    • rosegrower
      Posted on September 13, 2011 at 4:49pm

      Not really – unions in general are very short-sighted. The rank and file willingly voted for Obama, but now they are upset at the consequences of their actions. This is exactly what happened in Indianapolis last summer – a manufacturing firm was going to take over operations of a failing GM plant, with the provision that beginning employees would have a starting wage of 17.00 an hour (unskilled labor I should add.) The union pitched a fit, stating that even if the plant closed down they could be transferred to another plant. The deal fell through, the plant closed, and the newly-transferred union employees were given pink slips because they were redundant at the places they wanted to transfer to. One less manufacturing plant in Indiana, many fewer employed union members (who are still obligated to pay dues out of their unemployment, BTW). Union members are the ultimate in mind-numbed robots – they only do what their “leadership” tells them to, even when it leads to their undoing.

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  • Jim in Houston
    Posted on September 13, 2011 at 10:39am

    Everything coming out of this most corrupt of administrations in unhinged, unnecessary, illegal, immoral, outrageous and stupid! The EPA and all the other over zealous agencies and big government crap needs to be de-funded immediately after OweBlamer is tossed on the dung heap of history.

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  • scrapadapolis
    Posted on September 13, 2011 at 10:38am

    You wanna save this country disband all unions,Lower taxes,Lower price’s pay a living wage,and make all high paid companys delete their CEO;s.Worker run companies have a 80% survival rate.

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    • LogicalLee
      Posted on September 13, 2011 at 11:35am

      you sir are a fool, CEOs report to the people who hold “ownership” of the company, there STILL NEEDS TO BE A CEO.

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    • logictrumps
      Posted on September 13, 2011 at 1:16pm

      What you fail to understand is a job is not a right, nor is a company supposed to be sacred and never close should they fail.

      In your example – a worker owned company means they will expect lifetime jobs that will never go away even if several competitors produce a better product. They will expect raises every year despite economic activity. They will demand larger pensions even with a shrinking market share and limited growth outlook. They will donate money to politicians so legislation can be passed that will penalize their competitors. Then when the low IQ workers have run the company in to the ground they will donate even larger sums of money to the political class in order to receive taxpayer funded bailouts. Gee that sounds like modern day unions!

      There is no such thing as job security in an ever changing business climate. This is why the union mentality has failed the USA. They want to obtain a job and never think about updating their skills, or working harder to stay afloat. It is an attitude of entitlement which uses thug tactics to compensate for the individual failures of the workers.

      Workers do not start the companies, they try to take them over with unions. Workers do not act responsibly with their own finances hence why they are not the founders or the providers of seed capital. Workers are the equivalent of the mailroom employees except they never try to leave and instead use thug tactics to extract a living beyond their me

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  • conservgirl
    Posted on September 13, 2011 at 10:37am

    What I don’t understand is how unions could have been blind to this, President Obama said it in his own words before he was elected. Now unions are running scared because how will they survive without union dues?

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    • Race
      Posted on September 13, 2011 at 10:50am

      They weren’t blind. It’s all about short-term advantage. They got him in office, he scratched their backs. Now that the EPA is running amok they can side with “the people” to look like good guys and bolster support for unions, which is flagging all across the country. They’ll flip-flop and tie themselves in knots, just like the politicians do, to keep their gravy train rolling.

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  • GulfPeg
    Posted on September 13, 2011 at 10:35am

    And they say that the Tea Party are EXTREMISTS? The EPA has gone completely nuts! Talk about EXTREMISTS, for crying out loud.

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  • Mess23
    Posted on September 13, 2011 at 10:34am

    The problem with Marxists is that eventually they stab everyone in the back. If you think this through all the way, their ultimate goal would is to be the ONLY one left.

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  • RightPolitically
    Posted on September 13, 2011 at 10:31am

    The EPA needs to be DE-FUNDED and Public Service unions, OUTLAWED! Working for government at any level should come from the spirit of “public service,” that is, service TO the public. Unions destroy the spirit of public service and replace it with the spirit of ENTITLEMENT instead.

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  • escape_from_socialism
    Posted on September 13, 2011 at 10:31am

    I just have listen to Glenn, saying Dr. Paul the big looser of last night debate.
    Sorry Glenn, looks like you still haven’t done your “home work” on middle east and CIA.
    Good start will be to explain USS Liberty. Interesting in ‘90 the biggest problem for Pentagon was lack of enemies. After collapse of USSR it was a need for a great enemy in order to “re-building american defence”.
    I’m pretty shock. Either it is just simple ignorance of Glenn or he is playing for NWO.
    I did trusted you Glenn, I have purchase GBTV for year, now you pissed me of. I wonder how long is gonna take you to back on that statement.

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    • BernieKittyCat
      Posted on September 13, 2011 at 10:56am

      Ron Paul is the loser of every debate. While he may have good fiscal priorities, his foreign policy platform and social policies ruin him to almost any conservative or even moderate minded person. One out of three won’t cut it with many.

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    • Plan B
      Posted on September 13, 2011 at 9:55pm

      Escape, I am torn by Glenns comments also. He claims to be a libertarian. Then slams Paul. I think Perry is a Rino, and the bilderberg crap scares me. I have watched Glenn for years and listened to his radio program often. I too signed up for GBTV and am glad to have him back on the air. This mornings radio show really shocked me. I just want to ask him-what if you are wrong…..

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  • Psychosis
    Posted on September 13, 2011 at 10:31am

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/09/what_is_michelle_obama_saying_during_the_911_flag_ceremony.html

    did moochelle obama really say ” all this for a flag” during the 9/11 memorial service sunday????

    you decide watch this video

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  • tobywil2
    Posted on September 13, 2011 at 10:28am

    If one wishes to build a production facility and Environmental Impact Statement is required. Approval of an Environmental Impact Statement is both expensive and time-consuming. It is anybody’s guess how many new enterprises have been snuffed out by this requirement. Yet the bureaucracy can institute new rules and regulations that increase the cost of production and rewarded politician’s cronies with almost no restraint. The bureaucracy has the power to destroy existing industries and eliminate innovation.

    All Bureaucratic rules and regulations should be suspended until an Economic Impact Statement on the rule is approved by the Congress. Of course, no new rules should be allowed without the economic impact statement and the approval of the Congress.
    http://commonsense21c.com/

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  • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
    Posted on September 13, 2011 at 10:26am

    So the unions appear to be siding with the people who have jobs against Mr Obama’s EPA job-killing rules and regulations?

    Okay quick look:

    Union — jobs go away, they have no more union jobs and businesses they can squeeze for money to use for political agendas.

    Union — hedging bet that they now see Mr Obama and the Progressives and Democrats agendas heading down in flames, want to be in postion to exploit winner success of 2012 elections.

    Union — led by socialist progressives who seek their own continuing survival; for the political CYA moment, they can, if they survive past 2012, point to the stance they took now, and say “SEE, we did support the fight for business against the massive fed’s regulations…”

    Union — If Obama or another progressive (like Hillary or Gore) come into the White House, they then can execute Political CYA move #2 “WE distracted them away from your re-election, did you a nice big favor…”

    Sounds crazy? Think on it from their own perspective, economically and politically.

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  • psadie
    Posted on September 13, 2011 at 10:23am

    The air and water are clean; now STOP the regulations. You cannot move in this country because of them. The regulations are the problems and a job killer. Disband the EPA now; this agency has done more harm than good yet we still continue with the 4,200 regulations awaiting Obama’s signature. China is the biggest polluter on the face of the earth. Who regulates them? This has to stop now!!!

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  • momof200
    Posted on September 13, 2011 at 10:21am

    How long did it take the brain surgeons, running the unions, to figure out union jobs are the jobs that will be lost with all of these regulations? Unions plus BHO make strange bedfellows.

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    • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
      Posted on September 13, 2011 at 10:30am

      When did it happen? When it became politically expedient for them to protect their own tails, they see the handwriting on the walls “Obama ends in 2012.”

      In this case they can set up a dual solution to their problem:

      A. IF Obama or another progressive wins… “We distracted them…now you owe us…”

      B. IF Obama loses… “SEE we did what is right in supporting jobs (so we can have more money to intimidate businesses, politcal agenda pushing, etc.)”

      What we are seeing here is the beginning of the end for the mass of diverse socialist, radical and extremist groups.

      Each one is now setting to be the first to dispose of one or more of the others, as they constantly fail to realize that those who start a Revolution, seldome are the ones to take power at the end of the Revolution.

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  • cntrlfrk
    Posted on September 13, 2011 at 10:20am

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    Bunch of Racists!

    ‘

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    • Bill Rowland
      Posted on September 13, 2011 at 5:54pm

      Busch made him do it (only took a couple of 12 packs)

      Psalm 109:8

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  • TxMadMac
    Posted on September 13, 2011 at 10:19am

    I’m amazed these people are still in office let alone alive in their positions that are destroying our country. This isn‘t the TEA party or Bush’s fault. It’s all obama.

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  • wewantchillywilly
    Posted on September 13, 2011 at 10:16am

    people wonder if this country can survive obama.

    i wonder if it can survive the idiots that want him re elected.

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    • teapartyconservatism
      Posted on September 13, 2011 at 5:02pm

      “The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money.”
      — Alexis de Tocqueville (Democracy in America)

      “A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasure. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world’s great civilizations has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through the following sequence:
      from bondage to spiritual faith,
      from spiritual faith to great courage,
      from courage to liberty,
      from liberty to abundance,
      from abundance to selfishness,
      from selfishness to complacency,
      from complacency to apathy,
      from apathy to dependency,
      from dependency back to bondage.”
      — Alexander Frazer Tytler (attribution)*

      “Obama is Not an Eligible Natural Born Citizen,” http://teapartyconservatism.blogspot.com/ (8/18/2011).

      * Collins,”The Truth About Tytler,” http://www.lorencollins.net/tytler.html (January 25, 2009).

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  • Pujols
    Posted on September 13, 2011 at 10:06am

    Unions, EPA & Obama = HYPOCRITES

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    • sWampy
      Posted on September 13, 2011 at 10:30am

      Yeah, they remind me of the wife of one of our supreme court justices, a millionaire dozens of times over that has this “charity” she “works” for, ie huge tax write off, that for 10+ years has been planning to build a camp for kids with illnesses. She could go write a check for it, and not miss it a bit, yet for 10 years she has gotten retired widows to bake goods using their social security checks to sale to raise money for her, knit gloves, and make blankets with their own time and funds, to sale for the “charity.” So far, the charity has used the money to buy land, her millionaire lawyer sons hunt and ride 4 wheelers on.

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    • Blackhawk1
      Posted on September 13, 2011 at 11:51am

      SWAMPY

      And your trying to tie Unions,The EPA, and Obama to a charity how?

      I would say your example of misused funds with the charity is more closely linked to the William J. Clinton Foundation. Here is an example of Liberals hiding money, “The Clinton’s charitable contributions went to their own foundation, which has yet to give away much of the money”.

      The tax-exempt Clinton Foundation had donated $250,000 to ACORN.

      The tax-exempt Clinton Foundation provided $275,000 in grants for ACORNS “Katrina Benefits Access project” and ACORN’S “Operation Hope Project; Restore Hope.”

      The tax-exempt Clinton Foundation also helped secure private sector commitments for ACORN.

      The IRS has pinpointed tax-exempt “foundations and charities” as the locus classicus for tax evasion and money laundering. The BIGGEST tax-exempt fraud — a tax-exempt foundation writing checks to a tax-exempt charity (the way crooks look “altruistic” as they siphon off tax-free money for personal uses).

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    • teapartyconservatism
      Posted on September 13, 2011 at 3:21pm

      Believe it or not, there are a lot of union members, primarily Teamsters and AFL-CIO skilled tradesmen and some SEIU, who want responsible spending, limited government and like the Tea Party.

      You really don’t see many liberal hard hats or truckers. They’re great people. Many are vets who truly know about paying dues. They take their union and their nation seriously. They don’t like someone giving their hard earned cash to politicians who are part of the problem rather than the solution.

      We all know the majority of citizens are conservatives. We also know that if more conservatives voted, we could easily fix the problems caused by uninformed, misinformed, illegal or deceased democratic voters.

      Just like conservatives in general, union members know they could easily replace the progressive socialist democrat liberals that have infested their leadership, by making better informed choices when nominating and electing union leaders. Let’s hope they do!

      An informed voter is a liberal’s worst nightmare. Whether they’re skimming union dues to give to democrats or democrat politicians out to remake America into a socialist utopia, it’s all about them being in control. That is, if they can collect and redistribute (steal) enough of other people’s money to buy it.

      Had enough yet? Fire the traitors! Go Tea Party Teamsters!

      “Obama is Not an Eligible Natural Born Citizen,” http://teapartyconservatism.blogspot.com/ (8/18/2011).

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