Ohio Now Allows Concealed Carry of Firearms in Bars

Over the weekend it became legal in Ohio for concealed carry permit holders to bring a gun into a bar or other business where alcohol is served.Ohio Concealed Carry Now Allows Guns in Bars

Governor John Kasich signed the new law, Senate Bill 17, in June and it went into effect over the weekend. The law prohibits those carrying a concealed weapon from drinking alcohol, however.

Ohio Senate Bill 17 allows the owner of a private establishment to decide whether or not to permit firearms inside. Some business have already welcomed the new firearm regulation. Crazy Fox Saloon Owner Larry William said in response to the law’s passage ”I like it, I think you should have the right to carry a gun.”

But others proprietors have already posted signs banning firearms from the premises. One Ohioan bar owner told WBNS TV:

“What if something happens and they pull their guns? And they go to fire and they miss aim and on of my staff goes down, or one of my patrons go down? Now I have to explain that I don’t want any part of that.”

The new law also covers the legal transportation of a firearm in a vehicle. Under Ohio law, it is no longer a requirement that a concealed carry permit holder keep the weapon in a holster, lockbox, or in plain sight while operating a vehicle.

Ohio has joined 44 other states that allow concealed carry permit holders to bring weapons into establishments that serve alcohol.

Watch the video here, courtesy of WBNS TV:

Comments (191)

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  • JLGunner
    Posted on October 4, 2011 at 8:43am

    This just means the ones in the bar not drinkin are packin.

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    • Badtime
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 10:07am

      And the ones drinking as well.

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 10:18am

      Oh please Badtime. Just so happens that 40+ other states have this law or even more libertarian laws where you can drink and pack. Guess what? There has been no wild west gun fights or swaggering gun slingers walking around shooting people.

      Isn‘t it nice when statistics don’t back up effeminate hyperventilating? :)

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    • cessna152
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 10:33am

      @badtime,

      Yes, the wild west analogy. Wild west as in PA, Vermont, Virginia, Delaware, Maine? These are some of the easiest states to get CCW. Yes, these are the “Wild West” states that you speak of…

      BTW, you do know what the 2A is in the Constitution, right?

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    • Pontiac
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 10:53am

      Well this should lead to more cordial drunks but I still have no interest in hanging around bars or drunk people.

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    • BuckeyeWithA45
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 11:04am

      Hey badtime. I took the wife out to a local Damons Sunday evening. Imagine my supprise when not only did my gun NOT jump out of its holster and start randomly shooting innocent bystanders as the media said it would and I was somehow able to complete the whole dinner without the urge to pound down beers or hard liquor. Iced tea on the other hand was in great danger

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    • ChiefGeorge
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 11:33am

      The gun will either save us from ourselves or enslave us. Make more common sense gun laws so citizens can protect themselves.

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 12:42pm

      At Badtime
      I know if I am in a state where you can pack in a bar I am going to be POLITE. Less chances of anything happening. Someone like you will “get in people’s faces” like Obama asked & try to button hole people into voting a certain way.

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    • DNC TALIBAN
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 1:09pm

      I watched madcow making fun of the ohio repubs for passing this bill, but what the lezbo forgot to tell it’s minons of useful idiots is that 44 other states have this law on the books already.

      she as usual was bloviating.

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    • jb.kibs
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 1:21pm

      didn’t they used to check the guns at the door back in the “old west” days? i mean… i know they did have guns in bars back then, some bars didn’t check them i guess… but some did… leave it up to the bar owner, and how much violence happens in their bar… that is the smartest way to do it.

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    • Jaycen
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 1:31pm

      But others proprietors have already posted signs banning firearms from the premises. One Ohioan bar owner told WBNS TV:

      “What if something happens and they pull their guns? And they go to fire and they miss aim and on of my staff goes down, or one of my patrons go down? Now I have to explain that I don’t want any part of that.”
      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

      Aw, poor baby! Now you have to stand up for what you believe and explain your position to other adults? Oh no!

      I‘m sure it’s much easier to let the government tell everyone how to behave. Then you don’t have to take any personal responsibility! Yay!

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    • ocelot113
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 3:37pm

      Here’s a novel idea, don’t let your customers get plastered. You have the right to refuse drinks to people if you are afraid they are getting out of control. The bouncers should be carrying too. I like the idea. More guns the less crime there with be, it’s statistically proven.

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    • Halloween
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 4:09pm

      BADTIME—-How would you know?…you can’t see the gun, hence “concealed”. I say bring the gun anyway if it is concealed. If they can’t see it, why will they call you on it?

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    • HunterCurt
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 4:25pm

      That would be a safe bet. People that go to the trouble of getting a Concealed Carry Permit have demonstrated a level of responsibility beyond the average citizen. I doubt that anyone is going to risk losing their permit by drinking while carrying when it would be easier to leave the gun in the car.

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    • prsmith
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 5:15pm

      An armed society is a polite society. Nobody pulls a gun when they don’t know how many will be pulled against them.

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    • 1389AD
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 10:58pm

      This will mean a lot fewer bar fights!

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  • ALLEGIANCE
    Posted on October 4, 2011 at 8:35am

    I believe in the right to bare arms, to protect myself and my precious family. if anyone comes through that door who does not belong, or who means my loved ones harm, will be blasted first and identified later. but I’ll be damned if I go to any bar of any kind that allows people to carry a gun. People do stupid things when they are drinking. And I am sorry only an idiot thinks that people go to bars and not drink. Why would you be in a bar without drinking. That is almost an oxymoron.

    No matter how diligent one may be, or how most self-control they think they have, once alcohol is in your system, everything else goes out the window.

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    • landofthefree2012
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 8:47am

      Something teels me you wouldn’t be in the bar in the first place. Not allowing a concealled-carry holding non-drinker in a bar is a violation of his civil rights. He hasn’t broken any law. As a matter of a fact they are the most law-abiding of all citizens. They don’t want to got to prison and will not risk taking a drink. In Michigan the allowable blood alcohol content B.A.C. of a carry holder is .02, (4) times as strict as a non carry holder. Get educated. Turn off CNN and PMSNBC.

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    • Charles
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 8:50am

      The headline is yellow journalism. The new law is primarily for restaurants that serve alcohol, but it is sweeping and covers bars. The law says that if you drink so much as a drop you are breaking the law if you are carrying. It is NOT so you can get drunk while carrying. . .
      The headline the lamers here at The Blaze chose makes it look like a bunch of drunks in the bar will have guns. Not the point. The point is to be able to sit down at a restaurant without being a sitting duck for some whacko that comes in to start shooting people. If feel extremely uncomfortable -specially these days- being in any public venue where “no one is allowed to have a gun”. That make you sheep gathered to be slaughtered.

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 8:51am

      Oh please. The law disallows drinking while carrying a gun. I have a CHL in Ohio, and since this law went into effect I have yet to draw my gun in an establishment that serves alcohol, I have not taken a drink while armed nor has my gun jumped out of its holster and started shooting people.

      Here’s the real story. Every “bar” is considered a restaurant in Ohio (they have to serve food). The Left took this and twisted it around in order to scare people. What this actually is, is CHL holders being able to go to, say, Applebees or Texas Roadhouse Grill without disarming as long as they don’t drink.

      We are extremely law abiding by definition (CHL holders). If we wanted to become a felon and drink while packing, we could have done so with or without this law. I urge you to stop listening to the panic stricken fear mongers and think this out clearly from the perspective of a law abiding citizen.

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    • JLGunner
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 9:02am

      I often go to my local watering hole and not drink. The wings are outstanding. There are a ton of people that think they have a monopoly on comon sense and want to regulate others because of this. Remember, “Don’t tread on me”.

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    • DanWesson455
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 9:43am

      I live in NY and we have had concealed carry for decades. I am sure pistol permit holders have been armed and been in bars. The only caveat with doing so is if you get stopped and arrested for Drving Under the Influence of Alcohol, you will probably lose your pistol permit. That in itself will temper just how much you consume while in a bar. As I search my memory I can not ever remember of a “shoot out” with pistol permit holders within a bar. There have been robberies and shooting outside, which may or may not of been patrons of that bar. I would have to believe most gun owners are wise of the concept of Guns and Alcohol not mixing and would just “Police” themselves so that they would maintain their right to carry concealed.

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    • markperr
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 10:05am

      Ummmm…..Ever heard of the designated driver?

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    • harley3
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 10:08am

      Hey ALLEGIANCE, I have not had a drink in over 2 years and I still go to bars with friends all the time. I didn’t quit drinking because I had a problem, it was more because I was sick of wasting money and hangovers. There are very stiff penalties for those how are CCW’ing and drinking. The overwhelming majority of CCW holders are very responsible people and would not drink while carrying because they have taken the steps to get their permits and do not want to jeopardize them. Sorry to see you are so narrow minded on this one.

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    • SgtB
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 10:16am

      Ever been to Chili’s, Applebees, Buffalo Wild Wings, or any other chain bar/restaurant? Those are alcohol serving bars and they are also family restaurants. You don’t have to drink to be in a “bar”. Also, have you ever heard of a designated driver? Imagine now if you will, the designated defender. If a group of guys or girls wants to go out and have a good time they can now have a designated driver to keep them safe on the way home and that person can also be the designated defender carrying a concealed firearm.

      It seems that your support for the 2nd amendment (read: natural and self-evident human RIGHT) is shallow and limited only to times when you deem it necessary to protect yourself. I suggest you youtube Susan Gratia. She was at a restaurant that did not allow weapon inside when a crazed individual rammed the building and started executing people. Her parents were among the casualties. She was also a CCW permit holder and usually carried a gun to protect herself. I believe she has far better insight than you do.

      Once again, you are not a true 2nd amendment supporter and you are as shallow as a liberal progressive in this respect. I hope that you see the error in you ways and that you learn about Libertarianism and how you do not have the privelege to be able to decide what rights others have and when.

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    • ninetoesjudd
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 10:35am

      The term “bar” also applies to restaurants that serve alcohol for consumtion on the premises. Everything from Applebee’s to Chez Rioux. You don’t have to drink alcohol when you eat.

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    • TXVET48
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 12:47pm

      I don’t drink but my wife does. We go out to listen to the music, see friends, whatever. I’m the designated driver. I also have CCW permit. You have to be aware of your surroundings at all times.

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    • Halloween
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 4:18pm

      No reason the designated driver can’t carry a loaded weapon. That’s who I want looking out for me and have my back!

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    • 1389AD
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 11:14pm

      You should be able to go into a restaurant, wedding reception, banquet hall, or other venue that happens to serve liquor, and have a bite to eat (or serve as the designated driver for others), without having to leave your firearm in the car. Valet parking is not as secure as one might like to think.

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    • bruce_baker
      Posted on October 6, 2011 at 3:15pm

      So, a law is going to affect people’s behavior, especially people who are anti-social to begin with?

      Gun Control: the theory that a woman, dead in an alley, raped and then strangled with her own pantyhose, is somehow morally superior to a woman explaining to police how her attacker got that fatal bullet wound.

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  • drdave57
    Posted on October 4, 2011 at 8:29am

    all the sucking wind and howling from the left was unwarranted, as it always is..we passed that law in Virginia sometime back and the crime rate FELL! That’s right, it FELL! More guns, less crime! Or don’t you trust the citizenry to be armed? Remember, a man with a gun is a citizen..a man without a gun is a subject!

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  • FAL Guy
    Posted on October 4, 2011 at 8:29am

    We’ve had a law just like this in Virginia for the past year. Guess what there haven‘t been any shoot outs or anything else at least from what I’ve seen in the news. I’m shure if anything had happend it would have been all over the anti-gun media. Oh and yes I do carry in my local sports bar and no I’ve never drank while carring. What part of law abiding don’t some of you get? Every one I know who cares enough to get a CCW is more firearms safety concious than the non CCW’s I know.

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  • mikee1
    Posted on October 4, 2011 at 7:48am

    Guns kill people. Must protest today before I smoke dope. I am a dumbass liberal. GREEN JOBS NOW!

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  • Speak without Fear
    Posted on October 4, 2011 at 7:41am

    As a Ohio State Buckeye with a CCL……..I am in full support of this law.

    Well done Ohio!!!

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  • INTHEBEGININGGOD
    Posted on October 4, 2011 at 7:33am

    All these bar owners that are putting signs up banning the carry permit I wonder will they take it down if they loose a lot of there patrons. You bet they will the $$$’s talk. They’ll be begging for them to come back. The hipocrats.

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    • Oldphoto678
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 8:07am

      As liberal as I am I have no problem with guns. I’m a gun owner, and I carry most of the time. Usually more than one. Still, if I was a bar owner, and I was, I would be the only person allowed to have a gun in my bar. You pull out a gun in my bar you’re a dead man.

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 8:53am

      So far only a few places, mostly on the leftist OSU campus, have posted. The restaurants and bars in my neighborhood have, to the very last one, refused to post. They understand that CHL holders are the very last people they have to worry about breaking the law.

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    • Scaredfuzz
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 8:57am

      Oldphoto:

      Why would they be randomly pulling out a gun? There’s this stupid mindset that concealed carry owners just randomly brandish their weapons cause they feel like it.

      As a person that conceals yourself, tell me do you carry your firearm because the restaurant or store you are going to? or more likely because you want to protect yourself the entire time you are out of your home?

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  • Ceefour
    Posted on October 4, 2011 at 7:29am

    I don’t know what the fuss is all about..look at the generations of off duty (and some on duty)police peoples who have been drinking the brains out in bars everywhere and we all know they never get into trouble even with a BAC of .35.

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  • landofthefree2012
    Posted on October 4, 2011 at 7:25am

    Proven Fact, many time over:
    More LEGAL Guns = Less Crime. Being proven all over the country as much as the Lib-tards don’t want to admit it. HIGHEST crime areas in the counrty: Places where guns are heavily restricted or outlawed; New York, Chicago, Washington. How’s that false sense of security of “Gun Control” working out for ‘ya.

    As far as why would you go to a bar and not drink, I’m sure plenty of non-drinkers like to hang out with there drinking friends, after all someone should be able to legally drive his buddies home.
    That is the idea behind the Designated Driver, isn’t it?

    Dear Blaze. Please don’t show an (inaccurate) picture of a person with open-carry of a firearm in a story about concealled-carry. Thanks for the story though.

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 9:02am

      In Ohio, believe it or not, depending on the police officer, that’s not open carry. We have some weird legal definitions. Technically, it can be open carry if they want to bust you in a car for not having a CHL (you can open carry here without a CHL, except in motor vehicles) or concealed carry if they want to bust you for walking down the street.

      Yeah, I know, we’re trying to roll back this kind of crap the last few years. Going through a gun rights renaissance here in Ohio.

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    • Badtime
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 10:10am

      And yet, America has the highest rate of gun crime in the world. If more legal firearms made places safer, wouldn’t America be the safest country on earth?

      Make no mistake, I am all about freedom (but it comes with a cost and responsibility) but I am not for making up your own facts to suit your ideology. Guns allow an opprotunity for violence, and some people do not have the character, control, or capability to responsibily use them.

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 10:22am

      @Badtime

      Now find out where that violent crime occurs. Guess what, it ain’t in the suburbs nor in the rural areas. In fact, in those two major thirds of America our violent crime rate rivals that of Switzerland or Japan, where guns are 100% banned. Oddly though, those are the two major thirds of America where guns are omnipresent. Even stranger, in the places where violent crime is high, the urban sewer, guns are generally quite restricted.

      Once you noodle that for a bit you‘ll realize that it’s not guns that are not the problem, it’s a culture that glorifies free rides and crime. We have guns everywhere in my neighborhood and almost no crime rate, violent or not, to be found. Guess your hypothesis of access to guns is incorrect.

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 10:23am

      The 100% banned was referring to Japan, to be clear, not Switzerland.

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    • cous1933
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 8:13pm

      GhostofJefferson,

      First off, thank you for your always intelligent posts.
      Second, and this is just to show that there is a wide range of opinion on the issue even among police, I have been a police officer in Ohio for over 26 years and I am a huge supporter of gun rights (actually individual rights in general). In fact I don’t believe any permit is required.
      Permits are for privileges. Privileges require permission, rights do not.
      My personal rule for guns is just this; be responsible. Period. If you don’t harm an innocent person with your gun, then you’ve done nothing wrong.
      Now as I said before, there is a wide range of opinion among my fellow police officers but I am working on them to get them to realize that free people have the right and the responsiblity of their own self-defense and that we swore an oath to uphold the Constitution and we should be happy to see responsible people armed for their own protection.

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  • I_can't_believe_this_stuff
    Posted on October 4, 2011 at 7:20am

    Excellent. Kudos to Ohio. Self protection IS the best defense; who wants to protect you and your family (and business and neighbors) more than … er … YOU. And you’re protecting your lives, your property, and your freedom. Just wishing guns would go away HAS NOT WORKED. And just because you‘re afraid of something you can’t understand doesn‘t mean it’s a bad thing. The Founders well understood and made it an issue which ranks second only to free speech (i.e. 1st and 2nd Amendments to the Constitution, look it up). There are too many arguments why this is a good thing. The opposition has only phantom fears and ‘what ifs.’

    And, to those who feel the government is there to protect you, and they certainly do up to a point, the final responsibility to protect you and your family rests on YOUR shoulders. If you want to gamble otherwise then your risking your life just because you’re a little afraid. It‘s your right to do so but don’t risk MY life because of YOUR fear.

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  • Impenitent
    Posted on October 4, 2011 at 7:17am

    How about that? Bartenders will be able to defend themselves and their establishments…

    The bouncers will have a slightly different job now…

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 9:00am

      Technically, bartenders could defend themselves before, if the bar owner allowed it. You could pack in a bar as the owner or a designated employee, before this law. :)

      That said, it’s good to be able to walk into a regular restaurant without disarming and hoping nobody drives through the wall, jumps out of their truck and starts shooting people.

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  • bornhunter04
    Posted on October 4, 2011 at 7:15am

    I believe the purpose of this law is to allow CCW holders to carry in a bar and not drink so they can go in there and eat. There’s lots of pubs, bars, restaurants/bars whatever you want to call them spread across the country, and some of the laws for states prohibit carrying in places that serve alcohol or where their primary profits are derived from alcohol sales. Imagine, now you can go get ‘bar’ food for lunch and not have to stow your gun in the truck! That’s the purpose, I’m sure without reading the law that if your caught drinking while carrying the penalties are pretty stiff. I think it’s a good law and much needed. CCW is all about common sense anyway. If your going to go have a few drink leave it at home.

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    • Halloween
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 4:29pm

      When living in a BLUE STATE, I would go into a restaurant while packing concealed. Nobody saw my gun because it was concealed. Then I moved to a RED STATE (Arizona) you don’t need a permit, you can carry either open or concealed in a car, bank, Wal-Mart, or pet store. Just need a permit to carry concealed in a bar. Wish all the states were like Arizona.

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  • Charles
    Posted on October 4, 2011 at 7:14am

    Nice Yellow Journalism headline guys. . . Its about being allowed to carry in RESTAURANTS that serve alcohol. It used to be that ANYPLACE that served alcohol was off limits. Then came the typical sweeping reform and all places that serve are ok for CCW holders AS LONG AS YOU DO NOT DRINK ANY ALCOHOL. NOT A DROP.
    In Ohio when you’re at a restaurant you are no longer a sitting duck, you no longer need to be like sheep (sheeple – thanks Dr. Savage) gathered for slaughter.
    Yes I’m YELLING. The Blaze using misleading headlines is lame and obtuse at best. Editors: Please pull your head out . . .

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    • TomFerrari
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 10:08am

      A wee bit sensitive there, charles?
      Should they have used the term, “pubs”?
      Should YOU have editorial control?
      Headlines are meant to get you to read the article.
      The CONTENT of the article absolutely needs to be factual, and as far as I can see, it is.

      Now, if you get your news from headlines, and you fill in all the blanks for yourself from there…
      well, IF that were the case, I‘d say you have bigger issues than critiquing others’ headlines. But, I‘m sure you don’t do that.

      Now, I also have to disagree with you. The law may be INTENDED to address “pubs,” but, it does not stop people from going to “pubs” for the sole purpose of drinking – as such, it DOES allow CC in “bars.“ Is there not a ”bar“ in the ”pub”/”restaurant?”

      Relax, Charles. The headline is just a headline. The NEWS and FACTS are in the story.

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  • The_Risk
    Posted on October 4, 2011 at 7:12am

    Before Virginia passed a similar law recently, it was legal to OPEN CARRY in a bar, but illegal to carry concealed. Go figure the logic on that one!!

    As usual, I side with the folks who feel strongly that folks who go to the trouble of obtaining a concealed carry permit are also the ones who are most likely to obey the laws. It’s not uncommon for people to go into bars and not drink – designated drivers do it all the time!

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  • Gonzo
    Posted on October 4, 2011 at 7:09am

    The law also states that gun carriers can not consume alcohol while on the premises. You won’t have drunks shooting it out like the old West.

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    • SamIamTwo
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 7:23am

      Concealed…beer tenders would have to ask then…would they not? You can take trust so far…Bar owners insurance will sky.

      Sorry but we don’t live in utopia as though all are of the same mind with the same ethics. It will become a liability of the proprietor. Just as bad as big government…as a matter of fact, I betcha they will get a new ration of bureaucratic regulations…

      Perhaps the owners will petition (lobby) the state to cover their potential liability and then your taxes increase. But first you get to vote on it, cause your elected officials are afraid to make a decision.

      You know how lawyers think…man they are lovin’ it!

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    • Perspective
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 8:17am

      Samiam you seem so against it and spout all the normal gun control folk lines. If it is such a problem why is it the law in FOURTY FOUR OTHER STATES? Apparently there hasn’t been a rash of CCW holders killing people in FOURTY FOUR OTHER STATES. You go on being against it and I will carry concealed and safely. Business owners can still post no carry signs so they can make the choice whether to allow it or not,I don’t see the problem here. This proud Ohioan will carry!

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    • Gonzo
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 8:38am

      Samiam, If a guy won’t obey a “no drinking with a gun law”, why do you think he would obey a “no gun in the bar law”?

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 9:05am

      You are incorrect Siam. Drinking with a gun in a bar was illegal before this law, and it’s illegal now. Is your stance that bar owners had to ask before this law went into place? It is not the responsibility of the citizenry to enforce the law, and it never has been.

      Insurance will stay the same or drop, and this frankly addresses mostly restaurants, the only real bar carry I know of or would plan on with my CHL here in Ohio is if I was a designated driver, or if the bar served a really good reuben that I could not keep myself from eating.

      You’re buying into the fear. Very few places have posted here, and nobody is shooting it out in drunken gun fights. Relax.

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  • Quiata
    Posted on October 4, 2011 at 6:56am

    The Ohio bar owner who stated, ““What if something happens and they pull their guns? And they go to fire and they miss aim and on of my staff goes down, or one of my patrons go down? Now I have to explain that I don’t want any part of that.”

    He might not want any part of that, but this guy needs to realize that non-law-abiding citizens (a.k.a. criminals) are the ones who are likely to create just such a scenario in his bar: some drunk moron who has no regard for the law (and no registration, no permit, etc. etc.) would be far more likely to disregard others’ safety by “pulling a gun”, and would do so whether it’s legal to or not. This bar owner also needs to learn about the many hoops a concealed-carry owner has to go through to obtain a permit. He‘s a lot better off with permit holders sitting at his bar along with the rest of the ’bunch’.

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    • Quiata
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 7:02am

      And those permit holders are going to be sipping Coca Cola at the bar (if you read what the law states as mentioned in the article).

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  • jim
    Posted on October 4, 2011 at 6:51am

    Will violence stats go up, or down? Hmmm… time will tell, and that will either shut the critics up, or encourage them.

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    • Zorro6821
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 7:00am

      Booze and Guns is a bad idea.

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    • proliance
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 8:21am

      Zorro, that’s why its still illegal to drink while carrying a weapon. The new doesn’t change that.

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    • Square Dancer
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 8:24am

      Zorro…you’re correct. Guns and alcohol are a bad idea. That’s why nearly ALL law-abiding citizens with a CCW permit will obey the law. They, like I, do not want to risk losing their carry privileges forever.

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  • drago
    Posted on October 4, 2011 at 6:48am

    The law states you cant drink while carrying a gun in a bar.So how will they know who carries and who doesnt? Not a law i would like to see in Texas, alcohol and guns dont mix, matter of fact alcohol doesnt mix with anything BUT, alcohol……

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 9:12am

      How did they know before the law went into effect? You see, drinking while armed in a public establishment was against the law then, and now. If I, as a CHL holder, wished to become a felon before this law I could have walked right into any bar and ordered a Scotch, neat, and a beer to go.

      Your comment makes no sense. How would bartenders know that some guy wouldn’t get liquored up and break the law in any other way, or be breaking the law while at the bar (perhaps, against his probation orders, for example)?

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    • Zorro6821
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 9:32am

      Oaky, That’s good. If you can’t drink while carrying, I am on board with the law. Thanks for informing me.

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 9:38am

      Glad to be of service Zorro. Lots of misinformation being cast by the left on this issue. Best bet is to read ORC 9.68 (Ohio Revised Code) and see how it spells this out specifically (no drinking while packing).

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  • rlt
    Posted on October 4, 2011 at 6:44am

    Love it…..

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  • SamIamTwo
    Posted on October 4, 2011 at 6:40am

    Sorry but if I was the owner of a bar, you’d have to check your firearms at the door…just like in the old saloon days of yesteryear’s. I’d not want my insurance to sky to cover the potential liability of some drunk having one in the chamber and it “accidentally” goes off causing a chain reaction.

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    • AVO71
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 6:48am

      Read the article. It is against the law to carry a firearm and drink.

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    • swampbuck
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 6:54am

      @AVO71 … but who goes into a bar and doesn’t drink?

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    • Perspective
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 7:00am

      Also it doesn’t seem to have been a problem in the other 44 states that allow it.

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    • quarter horseman
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 7:22am

      So SAMIAMTWO
      To have people hand over or handle their firearms at the door instead of keeping them in a holster where they are safe and will not accidently go off while handling, you go a head and check them then not me thanx.

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    • SamIamTwo
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 7:47am

      AVO71

      Yes the black and white of it is clear…now we have to “trust” the patrons to comply, some are more mature than others…anyone here drive over the speed limit. LOL. Honest officer the light was yellow when I went thru it…but officer I was burning rubber to get up to the speed limit of the highway…use to work in the 60′s.

      PS: there are statistics available that do show crime has gone down in other states with similar laws. I‘m surprised it hasn’t been mentioned.

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    • SamIamTwo
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 7:48am

      quarter horseman

      It is a choice that you can make tough guy. lol

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    • Square Dancer
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 8:19am

      No firearm “accidentally” discharges a round. You have to pull the trigger. Even drop tests won’t fire it. Take a model 1911 and drop it…..won’t fire. That’s why when someone “accidentally” discharges a weapon, it’s called a “Negligent” discharge.

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 9:15am

      False. Way to fear monger.

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 9:19am

      @Swambuck

      Restaurants serve alcohol, which is what this actually addresses.

      And fact of the matter is, I go into bars and don’t drink. Lots of bars in Ohio have grills in them, and some of them serve some damned good food. And, I am the designated driver sometimes. And, there are poker tournaments in some of our bars that I watch/play in and don’t drink.

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 9:23am

      @Siam

      You had to trust them to comply before this law too. Get it yet? A man can arm himself and walk anywhere, law or no law. You‘re performing what’s known as “sophistry”, and I suspect that you hold no pro-2nd Amendment positions as far as individuals having the right to keep and bear arms. Please, if you’re honest, think it through and read the posts being presented to you, otherwise, you’re doing nothing but blowing smoke and stiring controversey where none exists.

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  • rlt
    Posted on October 4, 2011 at 6:38am

    Now if we can get the other states to do the same, crime will go DOWN. Keep my second ammendment right to carry/own a gun.

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  • Darla_K
    Posted on October 4, 2011 at 6:34am

    I have mixed feelings over this new law. I know alcohol can change people and they are not in their “right minds” and what if they get into a heated arguement and pull their weapon? I hope I am not sitting in their crossfire. Do people have a right to pack and protect themselves? Sure they do, but not under the influence.

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    • Perspective
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 6:59am

      Under the law a person carrying concealed is not allowed to drink alcohol.

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    • Oldphoto678
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 8:20am

      “ Under the law a person carrying concealed is not allowed to drink alcohol ”

      Under the law It’s illegal to drive impaired, but thousands of fine upstanding, law abiding citizens do it every day. So your point is?

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    • Square Dancer
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 8:29am

      I think the point may be this…drive drunk, get a ticket and maybe lose your driver’s license for a while, but you’ll get it back. Violate the CCW law and lose your privilege to carry or perhaps even own a firearm for LIFE. You never have that right again. No self-protection, no hunting with the grandkids, no target shooting…nothing with a firearm.

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    • Perspective
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 9:17am

      My point is that you assume that a ccw holder who is carrying will drink. Your argument is based on an assumption not fact. The FACT is that FOURTY FOUR OTHER STATES allow this and there doesn’t seem to be a big problem.

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 10:31am

      @Oldphoto

      If they’re driving impaired and working against the law, then by definition they are not law abiding.

      Don’t make this too easy please, heh.

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  • saigonpaul
    Posted on October 4, 2011 at 6:33am

    Just think… we are in TEXAS, have RICK PERRY and we cant do THAT….:(((

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    • drago
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 6:43am

      @Saigonpaul
      As a a chl holder in Texas, you can not carry a gun in a bar, or any place where alcohol is 51% of total sales for the said business.

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    • drago
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 6:45am

      @Saigonpaul
      Guess i should have read your comment closer, thought you said can, instead of cant……my appologizes.

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 9:30am

      We can open carry without a permit or license in Ohio too. :) In fact, just went to an open carry event at a state park on Sunday, 1991A1 Series 80 on my hip for all to see.

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    • Halloween
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 4:43pm

      I think Arizona has the best carry laws (maybe also Alaska, Vermont) but Texas has the best laws for use of deadly force. We need to combine the two!

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  • Meyvn
    Posted on October 4, 2011 at 6:23am

    Applause.

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  • goofyfoot2001
    Posted on October 4, 2011 at 6:22am

    It’s cocked :-)

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    • swampbuck
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 6:55am

      yes but a 1911 is made to carry that way…

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    • Binkley
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 7:56am

      It’s referred to as “cocked and locked” or condition 1. A single action only 1911 is designed to be carried in this manner. There are manual safeties on the frame and grip which must be disengaged before the slide, hammer, and trigger will operate.

      Otherwise, you could be carrying with the hammer down on a live cartridge, which in this gun is considered less safe.

      Whenever you see a picture of a 1911 being carried, this always comes up.

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