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Ohio Votes to Overturn Collective Bargaining Law, Votes ‘No’ to Forced Health Care

Ohio Votes to Overturn Collective Bargaining Law, Votes No to Forced Health Care

Gov. John Richard Kasich (Image: AP)

Ohio Senate Bill 5, the new collective bargaining law, was overturned Tuesday after an expensive union-backed campaign. But Ohioans also voted “no” to forced health care.

As of 11:30 PM, 1,932,502 voted to overturn the collective bargaining law (with only 1,218,959 in favor of it) whereas 2,004,169 voted in favor of the anti-forced health care initiative (with only 1,042,232 opposed).

Therefore, although voters rejected GOP Gov. Kasich’s bill, they also voted in favor of a ballot initiative that rejects President Obama’s Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.

Nevertheless, Democrat opponents of the collective bargaining bill are celebrating.

AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka said victory for unions was achieved among “Democrats and Republicans in urban and rural counties.”

“Ohio sent a message to every politician out there: Go in and make war on your employees rather than make jobs with your employees, and you do so at your own peril,” he said.

At a celebration at a downtown Columbus hotel, Ohio Democratic Party Chairman Chris Redfern said Republicans and Kasich overreached.

“He literally thought he knew more than everyone else,” Redfern said.

Asked whether the collective bargaining law, called Issue 2 on the ballot, was a referendum on Kasich, Redfern said, “Absolutely. He was the face of the campaign. John Kasich chose to put his face on this campaign for the last eight weeks. The people of the state pushed back.”

However, recall in the above the number of Ohioans who voted to overturn the collective bargaining bill (1,932,502) and compare it to those who were in favor of it (1,218,959). Now compare the number of Ohioans who voted for the anti-forced health care initiative (2,004,169) compared to those who favored universal health care (1,042,232).

Perhaps it wouldn’t be unfair to say that there was more than one referendum tonight.

“It’s clear that the people have spoken,” Gov. Kasich said according to the Wall Street Journal. He said he would continue to work with local governments facing budget challenges but warned there would be “no bailout” because “there’s no money.”

We Are Ohio, the largely union-funded opponent coalition, painted the issue as a threat to public safety and middle-class workers, spending millions of dollars on TV ads filled with images of firefighters, police officers, teachers and nurses.

The strategy must have worked.

“The idea that firefighters and teachers are overpaid is preposterous,” said Heather Reese, a 25-year-old student at Ohio State University who voted to repeal the law, in the Journal report.

“I thought it was wrong . . . I just think it’s extremely unfair,” said Nancy Beadle, a retired teacher from Port Clinton, when she explained to the Chillicothe Gazette why she voted “no.”

“It just struck me as a backward thing, and a vindictive thing,” she added.

However, not everyone felt that way.

“I am unemployed and I paid a lot more of the costs of my insurance,” John Mirgon Sr. of Zanesville told the Gazette. “I don‘t think it’s fair that they get to pay the minimal amount and still get all the fringe benefits that the majority of people don’t get.”

Labor and business interests poured more than $30 million into the nationally watched campaign, and turnout was high for an off-year election.

Opponents of the collective bargaining law reported raising $24 million as of mid-October, compared to about $8 million raised by the committee supporting the law, Building a Better Ohio.

Some analysts have predicted that Tuesday’s result in the closely divided swing state will “resonate from statehouses to the White House ahead of the 2012 presidential election.”

For opponents of the law, its defeat is anticipated to energize the labor movement, which largely supports Democrats, ahead of President Barack Obama’s re-election effort.

Allah Pundit of Hot Air questions whether this defeat for Kasich will have a ripple effect in other areas of the country:

A huge defeat for Kasich. I wonder what this means now for the Walker recall effort: Will labor try to capitalize on the momentum or will they back off, having already won a big victory they can tout?

That could very well be the case.

However, despite voting to overturn SB-5, Ohioans still favored “Issue 3.”

The Plain Dealer reports:

With more than 1.5 million votes tallied, Ohio Issue 3 is winning with more than 66 percent of voters saying “Yes” to the proposal to prevent Ohioans from being forced to participate in a health care system.

The official language says it is a proposal to “preserve the freedom of Ohioans to choose their health care.”

So now that they have voted “Yes” on Issue 3, what happens?

“It guarantees that Ohio could never be a state like Massachusetts with a large government-forced mandate that you purchase health insurance or participate in the health care system,” Jeff Longstreth, campaign manager for Ohioans for Healthcare Freedom, told The-News-Leader.com.

“It’s about rights. In order to enforce the individual mandate at the federal level, the federal government would have to step on the rights of Ohioans, who have a constitutional right to purchase or not purchase health care,” he added.

And before analysts and union leaders start claiming that defeating the union bill will result in an explosion of Democrat victories, and that overturning SB-5 is a major GOP referendum, they should consider these points:

  • The collective bargaining bill was overturned (as of 11:30 PM EST) by about a 725,000 vote difference and cost millions of dollars to campaign against.
  • The Issue 3 initiative against universal health care won by almost a million vote difference and received a fraction of the coverage that SB-5 had.

If analysts are correct, and these votes are indicative of things to come, the Republicans shouldn’t be the ones worrying.

This is a breaking story. Updates will be added. The Associated Press contributed to this report.

Comments (374)

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  • OlefromMN
    Posted on November 8, 2011 at 10:18pm

    National Right-To-Work legislation is the only way we will ever win.

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    • Rob2279
      Posted on November 8, 2011 at 10:22pm

      Precisely!

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    • Patrick Henry II
      Posted on November 8, 2011 at 10:25pm

      I hope We do not have to bail them idiots out. If you fall for a lie, don’t expect to be bailed out.

      Report Post » Patrick Henry II  
    • Pouncing Porcupine
      Posted on November 8, 2011 at 10:27pm

      That’s why I live in Idaho.

      Report Post » Pouncing Porcupine  
    • AmsoilMan
      Posted on November 8, 2011 at 10:27pm

      Here you go….
      http://thepartyofknow.com/2011/01/22/rand-paul-sign-the-petition-obama-fears-national-right-to-work-act/

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    • 82dAirborne
      Posted on November 8, 2011 at 10:29pm

      Be careful…… Telling the truth will get you branded as a racist! (wait for the trolls)

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    • restorehope
      Posted on November 8, 2011 at 10:35pm

      Money talks while justice walks. This was not a moral victory, as union leaders are incapable of acting in an honorable manner. It is easy to buy the election when you have the millions of dollars collected (and sometimes not so voluntarily) from the rank and file. The union bosses may have shown off their muscles on this one, but the race is not over nationally. There are actually places in America that are not intimidated by them.

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    • db321
      Posted on November 8, 2011 at 10:41pm

      Ohio has a good Governor now – he is trying to get Ohio liquid – he just came out and said he doesn’t know how the state will pay for it – I guess they are going to wait on some of that Obama Cash.

      I can assure you one thing Texas will toss Richard Trumpka out on his greedy butt and all of those Business that can’t make it in Ohio are welcome to come to a “Right to Work State like Texas.

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    • encinom
      Posted on November 8, 2011 at 10:43pm

      restorehope
      Posted on November 8, 2011 at 10:35pm
      Money talks while justice walks. This was not a moral victory, as union leaders are incapable of acting in an honorable manner. It is easy to buy the election when you have the millions of dollars collected (and sometimes not so voluntarily) from the rank and file. The union bosses may have shown off their muscles on this one, but the race is not over nationally. There are actually places in America that are not intimidated by them.
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      Never let the facts get in the way of a good story. The truth is the Koch brothers, Rove, and other GOP and conservative groups flood Ohio with money to keep the rights stripping law in place. This election proves that hte people cna see the truth past the dirty GOP dollars.

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    • CatB
      Posted on November 8, 2011 at 11:09pm

      Will Ohio voters like having to have taxes raised to pay for this?

      At least they got the Obamacare one right! Now lets repeal Obamacare in all 57 (and one more to go) states!

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    • OlefromMN
      Posted on November 8, 2011 at 11:18pm

      Kasich did a good job in his speech regarding this. He was graceful in the loss but stated very clearly that NO bailouts would happen and the voters would have to deal with the results and effects.

      Lots O Luck Ohio!

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    • YoungBloodNews
      Posted on November 8, 2011 at 11:22pm

      @ENCINOM

      WAKE UP, there is not democrat or republican. You seem smart, so please realize that the power elite are pulling the strings on both sides. They work toward the same goal via different means.

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    • Mil Mom
      Posted on November 8, 2011 at 11:25pm

      @Patrick Henry II
      Posted on November 8, 2011 at 10:25pm
      I hope We do not have to bail them idiots out. If you fall for a lie, don’t expect to be bailed out.
      ***
      I’m from Ohio, QUOTE FROM A MISINFORMED FAMILY MEMBER: “I voted against overturning, I voted NO!” Of course he was too busy to pay attention to any of the ads, or mailings, he simply thought he knew how he was voting. I wonder how many others did too?

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    • Mil Mom
      Posted on November 8, 2011 at 11:34pm

      @encinom
      re : Never let the facts get in the way of a good story. The truth is the Koch brothers, Rove, and other GOP and conservative groups flood Ohio with money to keep the rights stripping law in place. This election proves that hte people cna see the truth past the dirty GOP dollars
      ****
      ONE MORE OF THE MANY LIES WHICH HAVE FLOODED OHIO FOR THE LAST MONTH!!! Our radio ads were full of police and firemen (supposedly, you never can tell WHO is talking in an ad.) telling Ohioans that police and firefighters would lose their jobs if the bill wasn’t overturned. That police wouldn’t have bullet proof vests, and fire departments wouldn’t get equipment. ALL OF WHICH AREN’T EVEN ADDRESSED IN SB5

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    • jb.kibs
      Posted on November 8, 2011 at 11:41pm

      i hope we don’t ask to be bailed out, at least we passed 3.

      this **** sux, i smell civil war… : \

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    • Suzee
      Posted on November 8, 2011 at 11:57pm

      I also agree, HOWEVER this vote means one thing: We got to get off our butts and get talking with our neighbors. We ONLY have the power of ballot box to stop some of this crap and we are dealing with people who care about one issue but are UNINFORMED about others, so they just vote on others with indifferance. We have to find a creative way to let our neighbors see both sides of the issues before they go to the polls.

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    • MHP
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 12:30am

      I just signed the Natriol Right to Work Petition

      It don‘t mean I’m anti-union, I just don’t like my union dues going to any politician.
      Same for corporate donations.

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    • MHP
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 12:32am

      encinom

      And we don’t like you either.

      that’s why we own guns, to stop you and your commmunism.

      Report Post » MHP  
    • MHP
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 12:37am

      encinom

      You need your butt tended to.

      Hope you get a butt ache.

      Report Post » MHP  
    • Riccy102
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 12:58am

      Ohio just voted itself tax increases to pay for Union worker’s pensions, pay raises and health care costs. What is wrong with this picture?

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    • Joe 1234
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 1:38am

      MHP … I’ll take you up on that. I could use a good butt tending.

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    • lukerw
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 4:18am

      Ohio is… the Jerry Springer… State!

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    • The10thAmendment
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 5:11am

      @ OlefromMN
      Posted on November 8, 2011 at 11:18pm

      Kasich did a good job in his speech regarding this. He was graceful in the loss but stated very clearly that NO bailouts would happen and the voters would have to deal with the results and effects.

      Lots O Luck Ohio!
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      Kasich is a brilliant economist, and this voting down of SB5 is going to haunt the work force throughout the State, by companies that are simply going to pack up and leave. Unions destroyed the steel industry from Youngstown, Ohio all the way down to Brilliant, Ohio. Ohio is one of the most business unfriendly States in the United States, and by allowing collective bargaining to continue unrestrained, it will crush the workforce. You can take that to the bank. There was a time when unions had a value, but that value expired at the turn of the 20th century. They sold their “collective” soul to their communist masters because quite frankly, the average union worker is an idiot. Watch businesses more and more pack their bags and head out. If Ohioans (which I am one of) think the economy sucks today, there’s a rude awakening on the way.

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    • The10thAmendment
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 5:13am

      @ Riccy102
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 12:58am

      Ohio just voted itself tax increases to pay for Union worker’s pensions, pay raises and health care costs. What is wrong with this picture?
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      What‘s wrong with the picture is that the mentally challenged people in unions shouldn’t be allowed to vote.

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    • The10thAmendment
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 5:20am

      @ lukerw
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 4:18am

      Ohio is… the Jerry Springer… State!
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      I moved up here to Ohio a few years ago from Georgia. I wonder if you know just how accurate that statement is? Now that I get to do nothing but field work I have every intention of moving down to Tennessee and away from this crap hole and its constant “mamma drama” population. I’m even willing to sell my house at a 150K loss. The property even comes with a contract to a huge fracking company drilling even as I type.

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    • wynnsjammer
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 5:26am

      Well, the layoffs will begin. I have never known a greedier bunch of people as the ones who are involved with Unions. They never stop wanting and a state could be in dire straights but they don’t care as long as their pockets continue to be filled and that goes not only for the Union Reps but also for the Employees of any state. Another reason they voted against Obama-Care is because once again it will interfere with their “Wonderful” Cadillac benefits, you know the benefits that the Tax Payers take care of through bail-outs. My uncle who has been deceased for quite some time and would have been in his late 90′s always said “The Unions Are Going To Ruin This Country” and he was absolutely right and he said it a few decades ago. I am forced to be in a Union which does absolutely nothing for it’s employees except take there weekly funds out of there paycheck. We need to find the “Country” we are slowly losing and I fear one day it will be lost.

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    • Thatsitivehadenough
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 6:28am

      AND: Legislation that changes all the rules as per PUBLIC SERVANT UNIONS: American taxpayers should be the ones, and the ONLY ones to vote on any terms for any PUBLIC SERVANTS. That means that the taxpayers will control how much they get paid, how much they get in benefits, when they retire, and how much they must pay into their medical insurance. This is the ONLY way to control out of control spending by so called unions, which are corrupt. And also to control the corrupt politicians who bribe them for votes by giving them what they want.

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    • byehlik
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 6:37am

      All I have to say to the Unions….Don’t come looking for a levy (more taxes) when your locality runs out of other peoples money to pay for you guys. With this “no” vote, you have ensured that A) your pension system will go broke, and B) there will be less firefighters in the ranks. The layoffs are coming. The fact is there is not enough tax money to support the current system. Congratulation with this vote we have just made our communities less safe. Let us know how you feel when the cuts start happening…….This is going to continue……

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 6:45am

      encinom

      FDR was against collective bargaining for public unions. You should be experiencing cognitive dissonance now.

      You could say FDR was wrong on that point, but please explain why he is wrong. You would also have to explain why de Tocqueville was wrong too.

      I await your typical flippant answer.

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    • brewmaster
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 6:59am

      Im from Ohio also, I think alot of people got it backwards, I had to explain to my wife and mother the difference between the two, yes means no to the union thugs, and no means yes to the union thugs, I still cant believe this crap passed, now im ashamed to tell anyone im from ohio. Its gonna get worse before it gets better here in ohio

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    • hidden_lion
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 7:01am

      Maybe it is time to implement Reagan’s Idea. Put a fence around Ohio. Ohio has the highest per capita inmate population in America. I hope they go broke propping up the union-mafia thugs. Death to unions!

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    • paulusmaximus
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 7:08am

      In other words your for big goverment when it suits you!

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    • Shiroi Raion
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 7:10am

      When I went to the booths, I noticed that almost everyone in the building were old hippy-looking people and kids (25 and under). It seems honest working people are too busy struggling to pay bills and trying to raise families to see what’s happening in politics; meanwhile Liberals are busy brainwashing children.
      I had to explain the three-fifths clause to my nephew and I told him not to trust his sociology teachers. His teacher told him that the three-fifths proved that the Founding Fathers were racists. I had to explain to him that it was there to keep the slave states from overpowering the abolitionists in congress by counting people who had no rights and giving them false representation. He understood. Of course, he’s only 14, so it was quite a chore to get him to understand how it works. Too many teachers are definitely choosing the evil path. Too bad I’m a math and science guy and not history or sociology, I wish I could set kids straight. Maybe Glenn, David Barton, and Art Laffer should get together and make history and economics and maybe a book called “Lies my Sociology and History Teachers Told” books for teens! Number them like college courses 101, 102… I’d buy them and make sure our libraries have them!

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    • lillymckim
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 7:27am

      Makes me sick to my stomach that these Union thugs won again … if Ohio had just omitted the police and firemen in the bill .. I have no doubt it would have passed

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    • lillymckim
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 7:30am

      When Ohio looks like Detroit … maybe then and only then …. when its too late

      will the people wake the hell up!

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 7:31am

      Yep. We had 24/7 blaring of the message “If you don’t vote against this, we‘re going to let you die in fires in your home and we won’t come when you call 911″. I mean, 24/7 and very loud. The unions must have spent nearly a billion on this, it was disgusting.

      Of course the bright side is that they’ll now actually *have* to fire public employees to keep the budget balanced, and that’s always a good thing in my book. This was repeated many times by those who wanted to keep SB5, but the unions are chock full of are deaf to anything but “me me me!”. I look forward to seeing their shocked faces when the pink slips start flowing.

      On the bright side, we did reject Nazicare! Yay!

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 7:34am

      “A huge defeat for Kasich.”

      Actually, not so much. This wasn’t his pet project, this came from the Ohio statehouse legislators. He signed it of course, but if the legislators hadn’t brought it up, I doubt Kasich would have ever thought to do it himself.

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    • tifosa
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 8:09am

      Uh yeh. The case made above appears to be that 2/3 of voting Ohioans are too stupid to understand the ballot. This resounding Kasich-thumping occurred AFTER the AFF made lying robocalls ( http://michiganmessenger.com/53856/ohio-robocalls-give-wrong-election-day ) I give Ohioans TONS of credit for seeing through the “jobs-killing” bull that many blazers couldn’t, and NOT allowing the rights of the workers to be stomped on!!

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    • Favored93
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 8:15am

      You guys should have seen how this was worded on the ballot. No meant yes for unions and yes meant no for the rest of us.

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    • encinom
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 8:20am

      @Shiroi Raion
      Another mindless idiot repeating the lies of Glenn Beck and other about the 3/5 clause. The clause at best is proof that the Founding Fathers didn’t want to deal with the issue and passed it off on future generations, at worst that they were racist. Barton and the other “experts” Beck has are jokes outside of the tea-bagging movement. You have done nothing to help educate your family and just fed them debunked BS.

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    • ABT123
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 8:35am

      Exactly, what a gullible bunch they are – the communist party/unions win, the people loose.

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    • V-MAN MACE
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 8:46am

      I voted to keep SB5, but the 600,000+ union members beat us.

      The social network of entitled public workers beat us.

      I’m appalled that the Police State will be able to collectively bargain for more of my tax dollars to use to erect a larger, more domineering and intrusive police state around me. Cops already get a 19.6% contribution to their retirement pensions from the public, they want an increase so that the public is contributing 25% of their pensions (not to mention paying 100% of their salaries), while the safety of the streets deteriorate (which says a lot, seeing as how it has NEVER been safe thanks to these incompentent public employees) and they erect more revenue generators around me (red light cams with built-in accelerometers, forced recycling with microchip trackers in the trash can, etc., etc.)

      The Feds will just print more money, even though the taxpaying citizens are broke, and give the cops and other public workers our money to “create or save” their job, and just tack it on our debt tab.

      Isn’t it disgusting?

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    • motonutt
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 9:01am

      Does Ohio share the same communist laced drinking water as Wisconsin?

      These people are just brainless…..

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    • lillymckim
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 9:07am

      They should have just put who wants to vote for massive lay offs on the bill
      for thats what they voted YES for … it’s coming Ohio .. congratulations!!!

      See what the uneducated … yes,and I do mean the teachers in this state voted for?

      They still don’t understand what it means to “balance a budget” … I can’t even imagine having to send my child to school in Ohio?

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 9:07am

      @motonutt

      Do I strike you as communist, sir?

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    • OhioRifleman
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 9:15am

      @ Motonutt

      Oi. I rather resent being called Communist. I voted, but the amount of sheer horsepower the unions put into this fight was well beyond anything we could counter.

      More importantly, though, Issue 3 passed with a 2-to-1 vote ratio. Looks like Oblammer is going to have to eat some crow on that note…

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    • jzs
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 9:30am

      Isn’t it ironic that the TP has come out in favor of the government over of teachers, fire fighters and the police? The whole TP notion of “we the people” and “uphold the Constitution” seem to depend on which people they are talking about and whose Freedom of Religion you want to restrict.

      I guess Ohioans have taken the side of the people over the power of the government.

      Coming next: the TP will favor banks charging them large fees for the right to withdraw their own money.

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    • motonutt
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 9:33am

      @GHOST & OHIORIFLE…..I’m was not making reference to the conservatives of your left leaning state…..And I aplogise if you took offence. You must drink bottled water ;-)

      And I share your pain, I was born and raised in California when it was a great place to live and when the great Ronald Reagan was the real governater…it was all down hill from there….that’s why I moved from there 20 years ago to a place where our OWS rally had about 50 people show up and fizzled out in about 2 hrs. and they never returned….that’s why I live where I live now.

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    • Secret Squirrel
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 9:40am

      .
      Let the layoffs begin.
      Obviously, Ohioans believe the golden goose has no limit.

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    • V-MAN MACE
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 10:00am

      I think the unions had a good hand in defeating this bill, but there’s a lot of fake conservatives (AKA Neocons) who voted the bill down too, because they support the Police State and want more cops on the streets to “protect” them from The Abominable Urban Minority.

      Case and point, there’s a lot of idiot neocons calling for more Police in Cleveland because of the increase in shootings (or the increase in news-reported shootings… go figure). They don’t support the right to bear arms for ALL citizens, they would much rather have the Federal government print money to keep police on duty (even though the city is BROKE) so the police can continue to do an incompetent job of securing the streets (they’ve NEVER been able to, and NEVER will be able).

      No, these neocons will sit back and lick police state boots and pay for their own surveillance and prison guards while the TSA, local law enforcement, and ATF (corrupt Feds) go door-to-door asking residents about their firearms, all paid for with money we just don’t have. Just to appease the false sense of security so that these self-segregated suburbanites can have their delusion. Police just put up more traffic cameras with our tax dollars, militarize themselves more with our tax dollars, continue to federalize with our tax dollars, etc., etc.

      Neocons are helping the police state build up their prison around us, in the name of security from the big bad muslim boogeyman and minorities.

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    • tifosa
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 10:10am

      Of course he’ll layoff and cut services for the lower-income in Ohio. How else will he balance out those special-interest tax-exemptions/credits? Wouldn’t want to put-upon those wealthy purchasers of time shares in jet aircraft… poah babies ;^)

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    • mac55
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 10:29am

      Well I think we have just flushed the toilet! America is in for a great spin out! Heading toward the end of freedom as we know it!

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    • JRook
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 10:36am

      The vote on issue 3 the health care amendment was more reflective of the wording. And it is symbolic at best as the federal courts will decide the issue. Point being issue 2 was the much more significant question on the ballot.

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 10:49am

      Very simply….Kasich over-reached while Walker in Wisconsin did not. Kasich included fire and police departments in the bill. The unions pounced on that and used emotion, an aggressive well funded campaign and all their unionistas to exploit that against Kasich. Kasich still has the majority in the state legislature. He can formulate a bill that preserves state police and fire departments while taking on the rest of the public sector unions. Don’t forget…even though it’s largely symbolic, Ohio also voted to opt out of Obamcare’s individual mandate..and by an even bigger margin than the collective bargaining repudiation.

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    • Viet Vet
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 11:14am

      @CatB

      Yep, there are one of two things that have to happen, or a combination of the two: raise taxes to support the cadillac bennies and wages or lay off workers. Either way, I think some businesses will leave the state, given the anti-business climate. I think there are a lot of people today who have no idea about the concept of balancing the budget. Democraps have constantly blocked the balanced budget amendment, it’s like they think money grows on trees. Confusing the ballot by making yes mean no and no mean yes is an old trick.

      That encinom can’t understand the 3/5 clause is a testament to the thickness of his skull. When it was first brought up some months ago, he had never heard of it. Having had it explained to him from several different angles, he is still baffled. Given this myopia, it‘s not hard to understand why she doesn’t understand economics or most other things that come up here. Leftists are all emotion and no logic.

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    • TaraR42
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 12:03pm

      Amen!

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    • SEOhio
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 12:43pm

      Exactly! I don’t know who is a more useful idiot … a college kid or a union member!

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    • RedHarley
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 1:06pm

      This is what this vote means:

      Thanks to $30 million dollars spent by the unions on this campaign, my 87 year old dad, a WWII vet who worked until he was 70 without any of the kinds of benefits that public employees get will now have to CONTINUE to pay higher and higher taxes from his Social Security check to make sure that the unions get THEIRS.

      Richard Trumka, I hope you are proud of yourself……..

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    • V-MAN MACE
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 1:47pm

      10 Samuel told all the words of the LORD to the people who were asking him for a king. 11 He said, “This is what the king who will reign over you will claim as his rights: He will take your sons and make them serve with his chariots and horses, and they will run in front of his chariots. 12 Some he will assign to be commanders of thousands and commanders of fifties, and others to plow his ground and reap his harvest, and still others to make weapons of war and equipment for his chariots. 13 He will take your daughters to be perfumers and cooks and bakers. 14 He will take the best of your fields and vineyards and olive groves and give them to his attendants. 15 He will take a tenth of your grain and of your vintage and give it to his officials and attendants. 16 Your male and female servants and the best of your cattle[c] and donkeys he will take for his own use. 17 He will take a tenth of your flocks, and you yourselves will become his slaves. 18 When that day comes, you will cry out for relief from the king you have chosen, but the LORD will not answer you in that day.”

      And so, here we are.

      Anybody want to talk about a “9-9-9 plan” now?

      I don’t.

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    • weeblewacker1
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 1:53pm

      good bye sb-5!!!! and might i also add,good bye mr.tea-party-Arizona State Senator President Russell Pearce! total recalled! hi ho,hi ho, off to the scrap heap the tea-party goes! can’t wait until 2012! down goes scott brown!! and for Michigan? heheheh.oh-yes,forgot Mississippi!! good for you for voting down that moronic law!!! 2011,the beginning of the end for the corporate shills and all there ilk!!!

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    • SimpleTruths
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 2:29pm

      So you ARE in favor of big government then I see (at least when it suits your purposes).

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    • Conservative20s
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 10:28pm

      We have to do something and something that can’t be reversed. I’m a 22 yr. old college student and just like Kasich said, I won’t be in this state doing my profession if this keeps up. Then all those damn unions can have fun figuring out why they don’t have any money for their full pension and benefits when the rest of my peers leave shop too. To all that repealed that bill, Don’t bite the hand that feeds you!

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    • 100 Million Patriots Standing
      Posted on November 10, 2011 at 6:18am

      By using the strategy in this election combined with 2010 and 2008…the Democratic Socialist machine can tap into the highly motivated labor organizations and the OWS types and easily sweep to victory.

      Of course we could use the same information to counter and also be victorious.

      for example; the Democratic Socialist spent millions in Ohio – the opposition spent very little by comparrison.

      Tea party patriot groups are like union members minus the campaign cash. Each fighting for their cause and rallying friends and family. Individual union workers and others seen it as a personal finance thing related to their own job security…it is apparant that the goal of the Union political arm of and for the Democratic Socialist will repeat the same winning strategy to win Ohio in 2012….

      And aside from the heavily funded Democrats they had one more thing in their favor….they simply “wanted to win” and their passion (combined with cash and lies) prevailed.

      As the focus and energy turns toward Obamas run in 12 months. You can be certain that a similar strategy will be used. And until the patriots can find a way to out spend them…with more ads, more yard signs, more bumper stickers, – it will appear to many “non involved‘ voters that we just don’t care as much as Obama.

      I asked 10 people (friends and family) if they voted for or against issue 2.
      7 of them said they did not vote///

      and this was after I practically begged them to get involved and help in

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    • stacie01872
      Posted on November 10, 2011 at 9:14am

      Encinom, my husband was fired from the union 2 years ago for voting republican. Not only was he fired, they called potential employers and told them not to hire him. I have two small children to take care of. If this is what you want, then fine. But the truth is not what the people are seeing. They are falling for a downright dirty lie. Union bosses are nothing but thugs, always have been and always will be.

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  • Baikonur
    Posted on November 8, 2011 at 10:18pm

    ‘Ohio Votes to Overturn Collective Bargaining Bill’
    ***********

    Good!

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    • 82dAirborne
      Posted on November 8, 2011 at 10:27pm

      By gosh you are correct!! If everyone worked for the government are problems would be solved. After all, we can print or digitize all the money anyone could ever ask for. Nothing but blue skies from here on!

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    • 82dAirborne
      Posted on November 8, 2011 at 10:32pm

      oops “our.”

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    • Baikonur
      Posted on November 8, 2011 at 10:41pm

      ‘Nothing but blue skies from here on!’
      ***************
      ‘That made me think of the album that Willie Nelson and leon Russel made together once upn a time. Good album.

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    • Therightsofbilly
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 12:15am

      Wow, first pelosi, and now willie.

      You have no taste whatsoever.

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    • boringolme
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 10:20am

      Let the mailings of the PINK SLIPS begin!! LOL goes back to choices and consequences.

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 11:01am

      BAIKONUR…you were bleating recently that you live in Europe….why would a local state issue in the U.S. be of any impact on you? Idiot…Furthermore, Gov. Kasich and his party still hold the legislature. They can formulate another bill excising the aspects that the unions exploited thus depriving them of their ammunition. Or..he can start with the now necessary layoffs. Which would you over there in “Europe” like to see happen? See..in American we understand that you can’t remain on the government teat without the ability to pay the bill. In Europe unfortunately…that seems to be an unteachable principle. Will we be seeing you at the Euro’s funeral?

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    • Conservative20s
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 10:47pm

      @AVENGERK
      Haha, right on. Oh the simple minded people who don’t understand tax systems.

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  • AmsoilMan
    Posted on November 8, 2011 at 10:18pm

    I feel bad for so many Ohioans in the private sector that will once again “PAY” for all of the public sector workers benefits and a portion of if not all their own benefits… There are no winners with this outcome on issue 2 tonight….. Oh except the unions themselves… of course.

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    • trueblueday
      Posted on November 8, 2011 at 10:34pm

      It’s a sad day for Ohioans.

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    • CatB
      Posted on November 8, 2011 at 11:11pm

      Same reason I left Michigan .. you can’t get ahead with the unions dragging the state down.

      TEA!

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    • Cemoto78
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 4:41am

      Watch for the layoffs to begin, there is no way Ohio can continue to pay for all of this.

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 7:41am

      @Cemo

      That was always in the forefront, the layoffs. They don’t get it, and their rank and file are too stupid to care. Their 24/7 propaganda mill was screeching from sunup to sundown. Thing is, if SB5 would have remained then they would all keep their jobs. NOW they’re going to be layed off in droves, and good riddance to the greedy little schmucks I say. We do need less government workers after all, so there is a silver lining to this cloud. :)

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  • Southern Rebel
    Posted on November 8, 2011 at 10:18pm

    All this does is help our ‘Right to work’ States here in the Deep South….and you socialist yankee’s can just stay the hell up north, but we’ll take your jobs. You‘ll be needed for Nobama’s little socialist army to occupy the wasteland that was once Ohio. :)

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    • Delta D-5-3
      Posted on November 8, 2011 at 10:27pm

      Don’t be so quick Reb to paint everyone north of the Mason Dixon as being Socialist. Does that mean everyone south of the Mason Dixon is a toothless hick, Joe Dirt lookalike living in a trailer park?? Of course not.

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    • Carolina Infidel
      Posted on November 8, 2011 at 10:28pm

      I’m telling you, it’s time to split this republic up. Its going to be that, totalitarianism, or Civil War. 4 State Solution.

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    • Sarge3030
      Posted on November 8, 2011 at 11:21pm

      Hey man I voted yes. You will need all the Patriots to win this fight in the end. God Bless the Republic!

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 7:44am

      We’re not socialists in Ohio, reb. If you’d seen the constant shock and awe propaganda campaign here, you’d have been stunned. Read the last few paragraphs of the article too, they had to spend way, way way lots of money to barely get this repealed, meanwhile the rejection of Nazicare had almost no public airwaves funding and we easily rejected it. If Ohio didn’t contain Cleveland, I can almost guarantee you SB5 would still be in place. Why we don’t sell Cleveland to Canada is beyond me.

      Besides, I suspect I have more 2nd Amendment freedoms here than you do. So there! :)

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    • whywonder
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 7:45am

      South rebel
      Yes southerners dont need education or a decent paying job..the big corps are playing you. Your workplace is not safe, you have no benefits and your wages are stuck. God was not on the side of the south during the civil war and the united states won…tough luck for your kind

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    • OhioRifleman
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 9:08am

      @ Why Wonder

      Propaganda harder, please. I like being talked dirty to.

      @ Ghost

      I am thoroughly convinced that Cleveland was, at one time, a beachhead for a Canadian sneak attack that went horribly wrong. When their invasion FUBAR’d, they decided to just pitch camp and eventually built it into a city, with none the wiser of its original purpose.

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    • RedHarley
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 1:14pm

      GhostofJefferson,

      I think we tried to sell Cleveland to Canada, and they didn’t want it.
      Then we tried to GIVE it to Canada, and they still didn’t want it.
      Then we tried to PAY them to take it, and that didn’t work either.

      Of course in each of these attempts, the deal breaker was the insistence that they had to take Dennis Kucinich as well……..

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  • c0mm0nsense
    Posted on November 8, 2011 at 10:18pm

    Mob Rule

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    • six6six
      Posted on November 8, 2011 at 10:26pm

      It’s called an election, you dope.

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    • AmsoilMan
      Posted on November 8, 2011 at 10:34pm

      “Vote Early”..B.“Vote Often”….. The Unions win this round.

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  • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
    Posted on November 8, 2011 at 10:18pm

    Well, now another truth of the unions is once again afirmed, they will spend anything they need to for their own destructive agendas; look for them to spread their version of legislative chaos across the nation now, especially with 2012 coming up.

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    • beebacksoon
      Posted on November 8, 2011 at 10:35pm

      Snowleopard:
      The unions, especially Trumka doesn’t want to loose his cushy job, he’s appointed himself to, with Obama.
      I would suggest the governor of Ohio ask for investigation into voter fraud! I’m afraid that is the ONLY way Obama will win in 2012.

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    • Cat
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 5:12am

      Beebacksoon

      Ohio is only one brick in the house of Trumka
      Barry Soetoro will not be elected to a second term
      He will execute an executive order, temporarily suspending the presidential elections and the Constitution citing social unrest.
      (Civil war – socialism verses capitalism / entitlement verses production)
      Our Congress will be powerless and the Czars will step in
      The Secret Service and the FBI will support those orders and Barry will not be physically removed from office.
      By 2014, America will no longer be a Constitutional Republic

      Carefully read the Patient Protection and Affordable Health Care Act, it’s the ticking time bomb
      The more important Ohio vote was the Health Care vote.
      The Supreme Court was watching that one very carefully, especially Anthony Kennedy

      Pray for our country

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 7:49am

      They really do need to watch voter fraud, here and everywhere else for that matter.

      That said, the legislator has already stated that they’re going to piecemeal this bill back into law, but are going to give it time to simmer down out of the public mind for a while. Expect small chunks of it to show up as amendments on unrelated bills some time down the road.

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  • stinkybisquit
    Posted on November 8, 2011 at 10:18pm

    I tried, but I can only cast one vote. We’re history.

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    • AmsoilMan
      Posted on November 8, 2011 at 10:29pm

      Me Too… This is a sad day to be a tax paying Buckeye….

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 9:10am

      @AMSoilman

      On it face, you’re right (buckeye here as well, just north of Columbus).

      Consider though, we have a mandated balanced budget according to our Constitution. That means that come time to pay the piper, they’re going to have to fire and lay off government union employees.

      And good riddance to these looters as far as I’m concerned. We need less cops and government workers, not more.

      I do have to say though that if people decide to pass more taxes to support these leeches, unlikely but it may happen, me and my family are out of here and off to New Hampshire or Wyoming (or Montana). Shame because I really like Ohio and the people in central Ohio an awful lot.

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    • OhioRifleman
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 9:12am

      I voted for the bill. We can at least die knowing we were trying to do the right thing.

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 9:18am

      @Ohiorifleman

      Yep. Though I intend to die in another state if taxes ratchet up to accomodate these thugs. Shame too as I‘m a lifelong buckeye and love my state’s people, culture and the general benign views we have here in central Ohio (not northern Ohio though, wish they’d bugger off to another state or country, especially Cleveland).

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  • Mad_as_Hell...
    Posted on November 8, 2011 at 10:17pm

    I believe Greece and Italy had the same victories.

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  • Al J Zira
    Posted on November 8, 2011 at 10:17pm

    Normally I wouldn’t care, I don’t live in Ohio. But when the state goes bankrupt I don’t want my tax dollars going into any kind of bailout for the state. Just wait unilt California comes a-calling for a bailout. It’ll make Greece look like a kids game. These people are uneducated fools.

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    • Baikonur
      Posted on November 8, 2011 at 10:31pm

      California is in the top 8 economies in the world. On its own. As a state.

      It has its problems, but it is so beautiful, it makes one’s heart hurt. It has lemon and orange trees and roses blooming in February, the ocean and mountains, Chinese New Year Parade, great Mexican food, interesting history. It’s a very cool place.

      Most importantly, in relation to your post, California gives more into the Federal Government coffer than it takes out. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

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    • pamela kay
      Posted on November 8, 2011 at 11:42pm

      I am from Ohio. If you knew how much money was put into the nonstop ads and the brainwashing and fear tactics that were used you would be shocked. I am very disappointed in Ohio and the turn out in voters. The ones that did were mostly Union employees. Very sad and I am afraid for my state. Our local news and our newspapers lean to the far left. I am amazed at how many folks have no idea about what is going on.

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    • Mil Mom
      Posted on November 8, 2011 at 11:48pm

      @Baikonur
      Posted on November 8, 2011 at 10:31pm
      California is in the top 8 economies in the world. On its own. As a state.

      It has its problems, but it is so beautiful, it makes one’s heart hurt. It has lemon and orange trees and roses blooming in February, the ocean and mountains, Chinese New Year Parade, great Mexican food, interesting history. It’s a very cool place
      ****
      It also has millions of prisoners turned loose on the people because they can’t afford to keep them in prison there are so many. It has “wingnuts” from all over the country coming there because they know they’ll fit in, such a “reverse” to common sense that it’s rightly considered “nonsense” . AS FOR THE BEAUTY. JUST ASK THE FARMERS OF NAPPA VALLEY, THE CRAZIES ARE VERRRRRYYYY BUSY REVERSING THAT. (Probably everywhere but where queen nancy’s grape vines grow.

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 7:51am

      @Al

      We’re not going to go bankrupt here. What’s going to happen is what was told to the public countless times, the government by law has to balance the budget here, so they’ll have to fire public employees.

      Really, if you think about it, it’s kind of a win for Ohio when put into that perspective. Less government employees = less government. And it will be a joy to watch the cheesy idiots wide eyed disbelief when they’re handed their pink slips. I can’t wait! :)

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  • SandyfromChesterfield
    Posted on November 8, 2011 at 10:17pm

    So thirty million taypayers dollars were spent so that taxpayers can pay more taxes for union employees’s health care and pensions. Makes sense to all useful idiots!

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    • unsafe
      Posted on November 8, 2011 at 11:23pm

      And you all did a great job with picking a Pres last time (right) fools .And now look were we are at the US is going down the drain..So feel real good about your self ,we all pay for your votes,,,So kiss my azz Ohio.

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    • Perspective
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 7:26am

      Hey Unsafe…piss off. Not all of us voted issue 2 down or voted for Obama so don’t lump us all together fool.

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  • broker0101
    Posted on November 8, 2011 at 10:16pm

    Anyone dumb enough to choose to live in Ohio, is, well, dumb enough to do this.

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    • Baikonur
      Posted on November 8, 2011 at 10:22pm

      Ohio produced more Presidents than any other state in the US.

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    • broker0101
      Posted on November 8, 2011 at 10:25pm

      BAIK, Grapefruits contain more vitamin C per ounce than Oranges. You are still an idiot.

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    • Baikonur
      Posted on November 8, 2011 at 10:39pm

      @broker0101
      Posted on November 8, 2011 at 10:25pm
      ‘Grapefruits contain more vitamin C per ounce than Oranges.’
      ****************
      A simple Google search will prove this wrong :
      http://www.livestrong.com/article/257891-the-vitamin-content-of-grapefruits-vs-oranges/

      My point in reply to your post was that Ohio is a beautiful state whose culture has produced more US Presidents than any other, so you shoud not trash it. What was your point in writing non-sequitirs and lies about grapefruits and oranges? :)

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 7:52am

      You’re free never to step foot in here Broker. We’re much better off without haters like you.

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  • Salamander
    Posted on November 8, 2011 at 10:15pm

    Looks like they’ll have to have some personnel cuts to get payroll and benefits back in line with taxes! Too bad, those were jobs those people really wanted! Maybe cut staff by 25%, 50%, 75%, whatever it takes!

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    • AJAYW
      Posted on November 8, 2011 at 10:31pm

      Cut them off next monday

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    • Just_Bubba
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 7:37am

      That is exactly how the short sighted union position will play out. There will be nothing the union can do to get their members jobs back after they are laid off to balance the local budgets. I hope the ones who lose their jobs think REAL hard about how well their dues “protected” them. FOOLS.

      I left Ohio to go into the military in 1975 and returned to what I had left. No decent jobs unless you want to kiss ass and lick boots….not my style. I have worked where you are judged by your productivity and attendence, not by how long you have sat on your ass and professed to be a “worker”. The voters get what they deserve. O H…I O…right. I mean left.

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 8:52am

      @Bubba

      Clearly you were working in blue collar then. I have a high paying job that requires measured performance, non-unionized.

      It’s amazing the knee jerk reactions going on here. Remember, the TEA PARTY initiated ballot measure to repeal Obamacare in Ohio *passed* by a huge margin. Additionally, at least in central Ohio, a large majority of our tax levies failed (not all, but an awful lot).

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    • Chesham
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 2:39pm

      @Ghost – Yep, only 1 out of 5 of the school levies in my county passed. I think this is the 5th time in about ~3 years they’re tried to pass this stupid levy in my district, it gets voted down every time. xD I was also happy to see that issue 3 passed too.

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  • cous1933
    Posted on November 8, 2011 at 10:15pm

    Why not try to make Ohio a right to work state? I think that may have a better chance of passing. The unions would of course put up a fight but it is much more simple and straightforward than the 300+ page bill that invited so much misinformation from both sides.

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  • gdbhusker
    Posted on November 8, 2011 at 10:15pm

    Awesome Job OHIO!!!!!! basically you just told the rest of the nation that you truly suck!!! that you would rather take the whole stinking thing down the toilet than give up one little nickel!!! you socialists will be sitting around outside your union shops with nothing to do because all of the employers will freakin move!!! then trumpka and pelosi can sue a private company for not letting you thugs dictate where, when, and how much business they do!!! you state makes me want to vomit…. the only thing good about ohio is that it is way the hell away from me!!! suck it buckeyes!!!

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    • Reasoned
      Posted on November 8, 2011 at 11:37pm

      Yeah suck it buckeyes!

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 8:55am

      Thank you for assuming collectivist notions on your own behalf. Most of Ohio is “red state”, it’s only the cities where you have the looters. But in your zeal to look cool on The Blaze, you’ve condemned and besmirtched the millions of country folk here in Ohio who were fully against this crap. Thanks pal.

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    • selloursouls
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 12:06pm

      @ Ghost, the problem is that those millions of country folk decided not to go vote. When the vote total is a little over 3 million people and only a million voted for SB5, it just shows too many people not concerned enough about the future of their state. While there maybe millions of right-leaning country folk it doesn‘t amount to anything if they aren’t going to vote.

      I wish you luck though and hopefully your prediction of public employees losing their jobs will be truly prophetic.

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 12:53pm

      @Sell

      The problem is the same in all states however, that the rural/ouside-the-beltway suburban areas are nowhere near as populated as the cities.

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  • bullcrapbuster
    Posted on November 8, 2011 at 10:15pm

    This is only one of many battles that the union thugs are going to have to fight.

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    • EngChina
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 4:58am

      You should also direct your anger the corporate thugs who shipped millions of good paying manufacturing jobs to China et al, and then to raise your blood pressure even higher I suggest you go beyond the revisionist newspeak called the History Channel and do some research on what founded the middle class in America. It was a combination of american companies willing to invest in their country and the american people. The rich paid their share of taxes and the great american people. worked together to build this once great nation.
      Thanks to bi-partisanship and hate am radio . America is now irrivocably socially and politically divided which means the only way this country can go is into the abyss. in laymens the country is beyond repair.
      Today US coroprations no longer feel any loyalty to this once great country. Profit is the buzzword
      and to make as much money with as little capitol outlay or employee investment as possible.
      If you want to see where America’s manufacturing base is. Come and join me in southern China and I’ll be glad to show all the famliar brand names.

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 9:03am

      @EngChina

      A person peacefully doing with his money as he sees fit, and making rational economic decisions, is not a thug. Take your socialist agitiprop elsewhere.

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  • Rational Man
    Posted on November 8, 2011 at 10:14pm

    Collective suicide…………………

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    • 82dAirborne
      Posted on November 8, 2011 at 10:20pm

      We have just witnessed the majority of a state go insane. How long before the next bailout? We need to move Ohio next to California and set them both adrift before we all go down! I was about to ask what these people were thinking but then I realized that they were not .

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 7:54am

      @82nd

      Oh please. Unions had to almost bankrupt themselves to pull a narrow victory, meanwhile the anti-socialist vote was out in droves in rejecting Obamacare. Has your state voted to reject Obamacare?

      All that‘s going to happen is that we’re going to have to fire government employees to balance the budget. We by law have to balance the budget in this state, so no Cali fate for us, thanks.

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  • NDPINDNT
    Posted on November 8, 2011 at 10:13pm

    Here’s another way to look at the Debt Ceiling:
    Let’s say, You come home from work and find there has been a sewer backup in your neighborhood….and your home has sewage all the way up to your ceilings. What do you think you should do? Raise the ceilings, or pump out the STUFF? Your choice is coming Nov. 2012

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  • Coralchristie
    Posted on November 8, 2011 at 10:11pm

    Guess the people of Ohio are really that stupid. They’ll go broke and let the unions drive them there. Way to go you bunch of idiots.

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    • Pouncing Porcupine
      Posted on November 8, 2011 at 10:23pm

      In a realistic scenario where the people providing the money would be calling the shots, they would go broke, but, we now live in Bizzarobama World where, hey, it‘s okay if you can’t pay your bills, they‘ll just dip it out of Obama’s Stash, aka, The U.S. Treasury Dept.

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 8:57am

      Thanks for condemning me Coral, I appreciate your inability to see individuals and your ability to only indulge in collective thinking.

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  • out of many one
    Posted on November 8, 2011 at 10:11pm

    And when the newest union employees(teachers, police and firemen) find themselves laid off because of budgetary constraints they can give a big hearty thank you to Trumka. Gosh that will give them a warm feeling to know they will be unemployed and he will still get his huge salary.

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  • Lord_Frostwind
    Posted on November 8, 2011 at 10:10pm

    Their fate is their own, let them burn for it, and follow Detroit to ruin.

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  • unsafe
    Posted on November 8, 2011 at 10:10pm

    Well I hope you all in Ohio loss all your jobs to my State, bc we dont kiss the azz of the unions..Dont come crying for more money you made your bed now lay in the sh@t.Go broke tring to pay your union BS.

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 9:06am

      Thanks for hating the conservatives and libertarians in Ohio in your race to “look cool” on the Blaze. We appreciate it.

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  • Hickory
    Posted on November 8, 2011 at 10:09pm

    Fools.

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  • tketterer
    Posted on November 8, 2011 at 10:09pm

    Hey, Ohio businesses!!!!!! Come to Arizona, we welcome you with open arms.

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    • unsafe
      Posted on November 8, 2011 at 10:13pm

      Come on over to Indiana we dont have Collective Bargaining, Our man Mitch took care of that.

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    • trueblueday
      Posted on November 8, 2011 at 11:38pm

      After reading all these posts, I feel like my spouse and I were the only one’s who voted yes on Issue 2. Considering we’ll soon be property-taxed to death, we may have to look at getting out of this corrupt state. I’m taking notes. So far… Arizona, Indiana, Texas…

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 9:14am

      @Unsafe

      True on Indiana. And that would be the ideal place to move…except…

      Well, I’m not fond of cops being able to burst into your home without a warrant or even a reason and having to sit there and let, by law.

      Wyoming, New Hampshire, Montana – these are the most libertarian states that I’m finding, maybe Idaho on that as well. Definitely on the table with our family should taxes go even higher to accomodate these union thugs (I’m in central Ohio).

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    • SHOESHINEBOY
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 3:06pm

      Come to AZ..But not to Phoenix..The Unions just put a Union loving, tax increase, big spending, Union funded mayor into office….so..AZ sure..Phoenix, stay away.

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  • American Capitalist
    Posted on November 8, 2011 at 10:08pm

    Just watch your budgets bloat, and your state tank.

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    • c0mm0nsense
      Posted on November 8, 2011 at 10:21pm

      Like Greece?

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on November 9, 2011 at 9:23am

      Balanced budget requirement by the Ohio Constitution. The budgets can’t bloat without accomodating taxation. That’s a big problem for us of course, since there are so many looters in the big cities. There’s a reason businesses are fleeing Ohio, and it‘s not because they’re heartless or hate us, they like our workers a lot, it’s rather the taxes and business unfriendly atmosphere erected by countless left wing nutjub politicians. Kasich is honestly comitted to trying to reverse this, but it appears that the die is cast on this, we may well be doomed.

      In the end analysis, if we go down in Ohio, it‘s because we’re too bloody nice and too bloody good intentioned, in my opinion. Folks need to stop giving socialists the benefit of the doubt.

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  • Veritas
    Posted on November 8, 2011 at 10:08pm

    Why would the voters vote to give up their own tax dollars to support people that want to destroy them? I think the right must have done a bad job at educating the voters!!!

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    • VCITWilderness
      Posted on November 8, 2011 at 10:15pm

      No its unions saying, “Hey we don’t want to give up our power so we will use scare tactics, half truths, and demonize the opposition.” And for the record I am apart of a small family business from Ohio, and we pay 100 percent into health care coverage, and have no retirement benefits. My word to the wimpy public sector………grow a pair.

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    • Fly on the Wall
      Posted on November 8, 2011 at 10:16pm

      Actually one of the R’s stunts was to do Robocalls using the old “Vote tomorrow” tactic. If they can’t win legitimately, then be dishonest. Apparently Kasich now wants to discuss things with the unions. He’s got that backwards…should have done it before the vote.

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    • unsafe
      Posted on November 8, 2011 at 10:17pm

      Totally agrre with you Veritas, to give up your own money to the unions are you all NUTS..in Ohio????..

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    • Rabidconservative
      Posted on November 8, 2011 at 11:26pm

      T least the Republicians didn’t have to lie and steal to hold on to their power. The union thugs sent pamplets listiung a yes vote would be a vote against obama. “Robocalls” the public had to hear the truth from somewhere, as the Republicians won’t resort to pure lies and bribery to get their way. This is in no way a victory for you left wingnuts and your thuggish union friends. After next year you will lose all power at the federal level and a majority of power at the state level.

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