Okla. Police Captain Transferred for Refusing to Attend Muslim Event
- Posted on February 24, 2011 at 9:00am by
Jonathon M. Seidl
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A Tulsa, OK police captain has filed a lawsuit against a superior after he was transferred following his refusal to attend a Muslim event. According to him, ordering him to attend the event was a violation of his religious convictions, and transferring him was religious retaliation.
Capt. Paul Fields is currently under internal investigation for refusing an order to send officers to the Islamic Society of Tulsa’s Law Enforcement Appreciation Day held at a local mosque:
“It is my opinion and that of my legal counsel that forcing me to enter a Mosque when it is not directly related to a police call for service is a violation of my Civil Rights,” Fields wrote in an internal police department memo obtained by Fox News.
“I have no problem with officers attending on a voluntary basis; however, I take exception to requiring officers to attend this event,” Fields wrote in an e-mail to his superior officer again obtained by Fox News. “I believe this directive to be an unlawful order, as it is in direct conflict with my personal religious convictions.”
KOKI-TV in Tulsa obtained a memo from Deputy Chief Daryl Webster to Captain Paul Fields explaining that the order to send officers had nothing to do with religion.
“Since you are not required to participate or assist in any religious observance, make any expression of belief, or adopt any belief system, this meeting is a secular law enforcement function that happens to take place at a venue associated with a religious belief,” Webster writes.
“Were we to pick and choose which belief systems we would associate ourselves with as an agency or which religious venues we would enter for secular or ceremonial purposes and which we would not, then I believe there would be an issue of disparate treatment that would reflect dishonor upon us all and possibly subject the Police Department to liability,” he adds.
An Islamic Society of Tulsa spokesperson told KOKI that the event was meant to say “thank you” to the police for investigating a threat made to the establishment.
“We wanted to have this opportunity to simply say thank you. I know its’ at the mosque but that was the address given as the target as the threat and it only made sense to have it at the mosque,” spokesperson Sheryl Siddiqui.
But complicating Webster’s claims that the event was non-religious is a promotional flyer saying the event would include “presentations” on “beliefs, human rights, and women.” Attendees would also be able to watch a Muslim prayer service and take a tour of the mosque.
Still, the flyer did note such elements were voluntary: “It’s up to you.”
“This was not religious,” Tulsa Police Chief Chuck Jordan told KOKI. “I would never assign a police officer to participate in religious service.”
He went on to compare the event to any other community gathering: “Its just like a neighborhood association, Alert Neighbor meetings, there are lots of concerned groups that are concerned about crime. The fact that it is in a religious facility is not that significant we go to churches all the time. We don’t go to the sanctuary and we are not going to the sanctuary this time.”
Ibrahim Hooper, spokesman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations, didn’t hesitate to label the incident an example of “anti-Muslim bigotry.”
“It’s a symptom of the unfortunately rising level of anti-Muslim sentiment we have in our society,” Hooper told Fox News. “It sends a message of marginalization that somehow Muslims aren’t part of American society.”
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Comments (435)
chdorb
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 9:28amWhy would any superior require any employee to attend anything at any secular location. For all I know Buddhists might burst into flames when they cross the threshold of a mosque. I can promise you a muslim offficer would not be required to attend a function at a Christian church, much less observe them worship and pray. What a great way to say “thank you”.
Report Post »moreteaplease
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 10:15amMy thoughts as well. If this had been a Muslim officer and Christian event-it would have been a non-issue. Why is it being demanded that we placate the very people that seek our demise so as not to offend them? This PC crap has damned near ripped the spine out of our country.
Report Post »Jim-in-kansas
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 9:28amTricky situation. This Chief in Tulsa and this particular Captain probably have a history that is not related to this issue at all. To me, the explanation from the Chief siting department policy and other similar situations leads me to belief the Captain is trying to make the Chief look bad or the Chief is trying to punish the Captain for something else.
Report Post »BurntHills
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 9:40amnope. wrong. the good Christian Captain is not at fault here. Capt Fields was being forced to attend a mosque service –as a service was going to be held right in front of the officers, as clearly stated on the flyer from the mosque, and he was going to be forced to force other officers to go too. that is indoctrination… the mosque was trying to covertly proselytize those officers.
the Chief was trying to win points by being PC and it backfired bigtime, he is already backpedalling as actual Americans goes ballistic on this one. with the anti-American hate group CAIR screaming about how anti-islamic they think Capt Fields is now, all eyes are on Tulsa.
Report Post »annieoakley
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:45amburnthills is correct! The sweet muslims are working to enact Sharia Law and I believe a judge in OK threw out an attempt by the people of OK to prevent this from happening.
Report Post »Catherine A.
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 8:51pmJim, I think you may be exactly right.
And for the record, Catholic churches invite public officials to Mass not infrequently. For example, when a new bishop is installed in a diocese, the mayor of the city where the cathedral is located is invited. As another example, the “Red Mass” held annually in DC is attended by Supreme Court justices, members of Congress, the diplomatic corps, the Cabinet and other government departments and sometimes the President of the United States. They are invited guests, whether they are Catholic or not (or even Christian). They are not demanded to worship Catholic-style; they are simply welcomed with hospitality in recognition of the common goal of justice. I see little difference here.
Report Post »grannyjojo
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 9:27amI live in Tulsa, Ok and let me tell you the folks who live here are definately upset with what they have done to this officer. And on top of that AFTER the fact this guys boss stated that he was wrong and they should NOT have mandated that the officers go to this event but that it should have been on a voluntary basis. A little too late and a dollar short in my opinion. This guy got caught trying to force his officers to this mosque trying to be PC and now he’s backpeddling. I don’t blame this officer one bit for not wanting to be in the position where you know they are going to try to “proselytize”. As a Christian I find the whole episode highly offensive. Of course if you turned it around there wouldn’t be a question as to whether the Moslem had to go to a church. They would never have to be in a Christian church for an event such as this.
“Every knee will bow and every tongue confess” God bless
Report Post »BacktotheFounders
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 12:45pmGranny, this didn’t happen without the knowledge of the head of your police department. Vote him out in 2012. That’s what these arrogant pieces of garbage understand.
Report Post »Marrabella
Posted on February 25, 2011 at 6:27pmGranny, I can‘t believe that a Christian is so weak in his beliefs that he can’t step inside another place of worship for fear he’ll be brainwashed.
Report Post »OneFootRandy
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 9:24amHe dhould be fired. Being a cop isnt just about answering emergency calls, community outreach is a key component of public safety and he has no damn right at all to pick and choose who has access to those outreach programs.
Do your job, follow your orders or find a new job.
Report Post »SGTMAC
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 9:32amThat’s an amazing trick. One foot and your dumba** still managed to get it in your mouth………
Report Post »Christ warned us to be aware of wolves in sheeps clothing.
Does noone rember what happened to the jews that allowed other religions to come in among them???????????
towerguy
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 9:40amI would be willing to guess that the “one foot” is the left foot.
Report Post »Ghostrider
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 10:00amThey got no right to force any police officer to attend a muslim service to their false god. He is right in what he did. PC got crazy. You do not force someone to attend a religious service. Period. get it?
Report Post »USACommoner
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 10:52amSo police officers should have no convictions of their own, they should just do whatever the city tells them to do? They are not in the Army and the city doesn’t “own” them like the military owns a soldier. The superior suffered a brain cramp in thinking that he could order them about with no consideration of their own religious leanings. No more of this “do what I say and shut up” business! If anyone should be fired, it’s the d@mned Dems on the run who refuse to do THEIR jobs! Pink slips for them all I say. The REPUBS won here, so you’ll have to vote on something that YOU are against just like the Health Care Reform crap…win or lose.
Report Post »coachvcl
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:08amSo if this were a nude strip club and they wanted to present the cops with an award, and the girls from the club would be in their attire, or lack there of, would it be ok to send all the female officers to receive the reward? what if this were a gay rights outfit, should the cops be required to attend? Just asking
Report Post »ares338
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 9:24amI support this guy 100%. I would not ever enter one either. Not necessarily on religious grounds but because I wouldn’t want to lose my head. These people have a disturbing penchant for removing heads.
Report Post »SGTMAC
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 9:22amI hope his lawyer destroys that jackass who transfered him. This is America!!!!!!!!!!!! If he and his men did not want to go that is their choice. To a ****** a mosque is a place of worship!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Report Post »Which part of, ” non-security compulsory attendence is illegal,” do these morons not understand????
Mobus
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 9:21amI thought it was understood that multiculturalism doesnt work. Its not a part of American society.
Report Post »DVT
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 9:20amI’m sure the aclu will take up the captains case …..riiiight….pfft!
Report Post »What about that ol’ separation of church and state thingy that the progressives keep using to further their agenda….I wonder where they stand on this?(rolls eyes and spits!)
temple62
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 9:20amSue the basterds, they need to get the hint that America was founded on Christian principles.
Report Post »rfycom
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 9:25amWas not. Deist founded our country
Report Post »Well-Armed-Lamb
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 9:47am@RFYCOM We’re talking about America here. What country are you referring to?
Report Post »henryKnox
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 10:04amIt has been successfully rebutted that the founders were not Christian. They were more Christian than the average American today. If you read some of the documents written by Madison, Jefferson, Franklin and Adams you will see that they were very Christian.
Report Post »rfycom
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 10:13amWere not
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:25amWere not. Were so. Were not. Were so.
Jeez, people, this is going downhill real fast!
Why not just accept that a few of the founders were deists, most were baptized and quite few were regular churchgoers, that the Bible was one of the few works that all of them would have read and relied upon at the very least for inspiring language, but that they also had ancient Greek and Roman and more recent Enlightenment concepts and figures of speech baked into their consciousnesses, and that they feared a national established church would prove oppressive as well as a source of corruption like the Church of England.
And leave it at that.
Report Post »teachermitch32
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:31amrfycom “We’re not”….boy that’s a good arguement. Actually it’s just a contradiction, not an arguement. Have you got are bonafied arguement or do you do all of your apologetics in this manner, using just contradiction. Maybe if you just said it louder….”WE’RE NOT”. Oh….now I hear you….but I still disagree and have done my own research to justify my opinion. Let me try your tactics. YES WE ARE! Doesn’t work does it.
Report Post »MYoungblood85
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 9:20amAidanman has it right, Caucasian,Christian,conservative American patriots are the real target….
Report Post »DianeCee
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 9:19amSince when can a political group hide behind violent religious beliefs? The captain is an American,,,the muslims are the enemy. Our nation has allowed every low life from around the world to immigrate here. It’s time to make our move, eh?
Report Post »Hoosier Daddy
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 9:40amMany Muslims do not accept the command of Mo that infidels must be subjugated or killed, and they are willing to live in peace with Christians and Jews, so they themselves are not the enemy. But Islam is the enemy as it does require such things of “faithful” Muslims. There is a distinction.
Report Post »BurntHills
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 10:37amto hoos: then let the muslims have their little religious civil war, so we know which is which and if the muslims down the block are not the same ones down the street planning to stone our 12yr old daughter to death for selling Girl Scout cookies without a dark blue sheet over her head. a muslim convert to Christianity who is (condemned to die for leaving islam) giving lectures said it pretty clearly: ” a radical muslim will hack your head off. the “good” muslims down the street will invite you to dinner, have a great time with you, and then in allah’s name, he will hack your head off. “
Report Post »arx
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 10:40amA bit convoluted wouldn’t you say? So they’re “willing to live in peace”? How generous of them.
Report Post »OneFunR6
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:33amHoosier Daddy,
“Many Muslims do not accept the command of Mo that infidels must be subjugated or killed, and they are willing to live in peace with Christians and Jews, so they themselves are not the enemy.”
Then let THEM kill the ENEMY.
Until THEN,……. I’m with Bigliardi [see his post above.]
Report Post »mike_trivisonno
Posted on February 25, 2011 at 6:16amHoosier, the muslim who renounces Jihad is almost unheard of for to do so is to deny the holy obligation to spread Islam as instructed by their warlord leader Mohammed.
They quietly assist the Jihad and will never renounce or reform the faith which is spread at the point of sword…unless we make them.
Report Post »mike_trivisonno
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 9:17amThe minaret is the traditional symbol of Islamic supremacy. The minaret must come down and mosque must be closed. Sorry. These muslims are not here to participate in the local culture, they are to replace it…with Islam…via Jihad…in praise of Allah…as instructed by Mohammed.
Efforts should be made to apostate as many suffering muslims as possible but any further advance should be not be permitted and mitigation of the damage already done should be implemented as soon as possible.
The cops should be out there yelling through bullhorns, “Step away from the Koran! Put the koran down!”
Free Tulsa!
Report Post »Bigliardi
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 10:37amWhen things were hot and heavy in Vietnam, and we grunts didn’t know if we could trust ANY Vietnamese, this solution to the problem made the rounds….”Take all the good Vietnamese and put them on boats in the South China Sea, go through Vietnam and kill everyone that is left. After you have killed all the bad Vietnamese……….. go sink the boats…” Not too cool, today, or politically correct, but it does make me think of the quandry we are in with Islam……
Report Post »OneFunR6
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:35ammike_trivisonno,
P.O.T.D.
Post Of The Day.
Report Post »dawg of gawd
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 9:17amLittle early for the War on Christmas, isn’t it folks? Really, give it a break. Would he have refused to enter a synagogue? Who cares either way?
Report Post »TERMLIMITSNOW
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 9:42amyou’re not nearly as smart or clever as you think you are, or your momma tells you are
Report Post »Ghostrider
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 9:52amSorry dawg, if we would have know you were going to read what people are saying, we wouldn’t have written anything.
Report Post »Welcome Black Carter
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 9:57amAt least that would have been the same GOD.
Report Post »Bigliardi
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:01amHey Dogfood…..Last time I checked, there were no planeloads of Jews flying airplanes into our buildings, or blowing up our embassies, or trying to blow up airplanes and failing, or plotting to bring death and destruction to our doorstep by means of weapons of mass destruction, or killing our soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq, or beheading and raping our journalists…Last time I checked, it was muslims doing those things…..So to answer your question, yeah, he and his officers would probably have gone had it been a synagogue and not a mosque….
Report Post »annieoakley
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:22amAny thinking person cares. Please think before you post a comment
Report Post »exdem
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 9:15amAre we not listening to Germany , France and the UK that multiculturalism does NOT work?
Report Post »Unbelievable
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 9:14amI wonder if the unions will back him up on this one.
Report Post »Welcome Black Carter
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 9:13amConsider if the situation were reversed… there would be no story. No one would dare repremand a muslim for not going into a real place of worship.
Report Post »smithclar3nc3
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 9:13amIt’s a clear violation of seperation of church and state. No government offical can dictate that someone go to a religious event. Unless it is for security purposes which this isn;t the case this was a PR event and the capt. should sue his department and have his superiors fired.
Report Post »Midwest Blonde
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 10:52amThe separation between Church & State is often misused and misquoted.
That being said, NO police officer should have been ordered to attend a [partially] religious service for any reason. If the muslims had wanted to honor and thank the police, I’m sure they could have used a city meeting hall to accomplish the same (without the religious overtomes).
This is the entire first amendment: (from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution)
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”
It quite literally means that Congress shall not establish a [state] religion, nor prohibit the free exercise of religion. This does not say a religious article can not be displayed on State property (such as a Nativity at Christmas), because the “state” is not establishing a religion by allowing it’s display. This includes ANY religious article, Christian, Jewish or otherwise.
In a letter in response to a religious group, Thomas Jefferson wrote this: (and THIS is where the concept of “separation between Church & State” originated)
“Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should “make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,” thus building a wall of separation between Church & State.”
The full text of Thomas Jefferson’s letter is at this URL (bottom of the page)
http://www.usconstitution.net/jeffwall.html
The letter to which he as replying is found here:
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DSTSS2010
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 9:12amSince this was totally secular I’m sure the Muslim Brotherhood was there!
Report Post »Speak without Fear
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 9:12amScrew them……….they want to use our law enforcement for their protection……UNTIL…..it is one of their own JOHNNY JIHADISTS that is terrorizing Americans and then…….SILENCE…..ZZZZIP……NADA word!
Report Post »OneFunR6
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:24amI‘m tryin’ to remember,………..
when was the last time I saw or heard about Muslims convicting & executing a MUSLIM…
for attacking innocents/civilians/Americans…….
oh, wait, NOW I remember,….
NEVER.
Report Post »jblovesAmerica
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 9:10amkeep the faith-sooner or later the radical liberals will get the message-
Report Post »Let the Chief and his family be subjected to Shari Law.
Capt. you follow the US Constitution. Wrap yourself in it-our founding Fathers knew days like this would happen.
MasterTweak
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 9:09amWow, isnt that a religious event? or is Islam now no long considered a religion.
Report Post »BurntHills
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 9:33amsays right there on the flyer that the Christian cop would be watching an islamic service and a presentation on their “beliefs”.. that is flat-out INDOCTRINATION. someone cannot watch something and not “follow” along as you understand what is going on = covert worshipping ALLAH!
Capt Fields, we stand WITH YOU.
Report Post »lesterlong
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 9:09amThey will take us over without firing a shot.
Report Post »psst
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 10:09amI’m afraid you may be right.
Report Post »This is Okie country for heaven sake. What the hell is going on here.
ya mean the ragheads can make such inroads here?
I expect sheet like this to happen in the comrade’s enclaves of the N. East and the Left coast. But OK country?
Thank heavens I live in the deep South in a RTW state.
The deep South may be where the last stand will take place. Or secede.
REVENANT
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 10:13amNot my neighborhood. My neighbors and I are ready to make it look like Entebbe, before we fall to the pedophile worshippers.
Report Post »proudpatriot77
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 9:07amHopefully the Police Union will have this guy’s back and defend his decision.
Report Post »Whostolemypig
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 9:13amScrew the union, the people of Tulsa should have his back.
Report Post »wildjoker5
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 9:19amThe one time I am rooting for the union intervention.
Report Post »Killa From Wasilla
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 10:19amOh now you want a union. Didn’t you hear the latest news??
Union busting is sweeping the nation.
To the rest of you ignorant idiots out there that think that union busting is good for this country. Careful for what you wish for.
HillBillySam1
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 10:41am“Ignorant idiots”???? Is that like “idiots” squared or “idiots” to the “n”th power???……..I’m writing a memoir……
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 12:13pm@Killa
No, unions should be busted, thrashed into little pieces, stomped on and burned into ash to be spread on the ground to kill weeds.
And unions shouldn’t intervene in this affair either. It’s between this cop and his superior officer(s) to hash out.
Report Post »KICKILLEGALSOUT
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 4:13pmYes, Killa we are trying to kick the Commies out of the Unions, you know people like you. Not the good hardworking citizens that are being taken advantage of.
Please, have another tall glass of Bama koolaid on the house.
Report Post »AIDANMAN
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 9:07amdidn’t he get the memo….
christians have no rights, or white people, conservatives, tea partiers, men….etc..
Report Post »Bluebonnet
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:56amChristians no longer have rights in America from what’s been going on. No Merry Christmas, No little Jesus in manger, no public profession of God, no no no. But we let the muslims pray publicly 5X a day. They seem to have all the rights of expression of their religion. We have been muzzled by whom? and how? What’s happened to the God given rights for America?
Report Post »KICKILLEGALSOUT
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 1:10pmThey claim “but the event wasn’t a religious event” Then why is it that public schools around the country have been taken to court for renting churches to hold graduations?! These weren’t religious events either but it was just because it was going to be in a church that people claim it went against their beliefs and there was outrage, what hypocrisy!
Last year U.S. District Court Judge Janet Hall ruled that Enfield High School and Enrico Fermi High School will not be able to hold their graduations at First Cathedral, Hall wrote that the school system’s decision to hold graduations at First Cathedral violates the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. The Enfield Board of Education voted in April to rent First Cathedral for its graduation ceremonies. That vote prompted a lawsuit by the American Civil Liberties Union and a group called Americans United for Separation of Church and State, seeking a court injunction to bar the town from using the church.
Very funny, so the ACLU and another group take these schools to court because they wanted to hold a non religious event in a church building but suddenly this police officer who claims his religious rights are being violated by being forced to enter a mosque for a non religious event, suddenly that is all ok and he gets discriminated at his job and transferred. Where is the ACLU to sue?!
Report Post »Strictlybusiness
Posted on February 25, 2011 at 2:47amIT is time to STAND AS ONE IN AMERICA………. WE have GOT to put an end to this insanity ! ! ! ! ,,,,,,,, I am convinced that we as AMERICANS are going to have to DO the un comfortable thing, and DO WHATEVER ITS GOING TO TAKE , TO TAKE BACK OUR NATION and FREEDOM as a whole…. GEAR UP – Get READY- it’s TIME for ACTION , It is TIME ……. VICTORY OR DEATH ! ! ! !
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 9:03amOnce more the PC garbage rears its ugly head like a hydra that just will not die.
Report Post »cnsrvtvj
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 9:08am@Snowleopard – This world is going to you know what in a hand basket because of PC. It seems like everyone is just fine with the Muslim religion, while all other religions are under attack. I just don’t understand that whole way of thinking.
http://www.donsmithshow.com – see the Muslim Brotherhood video
Report Post »wildjoker5
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 9:16amMaybe the ACLU will take this up like they take up any and all lawsuits against procieved Christian infringements on the gov employee. The AF military Academy was just sued because the faculty thought the voluntary luncheon was “highly encouraged”. There was no retrobution to those that didn’t go, but there was a suit filed agaist the school. This shows prime example of being ordered to attend (not stand guard and protect) and the reprocution for not following that unlawful order.
Report Post »gobluebuckeye
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 9:19amI wish there were more police officers like him
Report Post »SlimnRanger
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 9:20amAs an Oklahoman i am outraged over this as i am sure millions will be
Report Post »Muslim in Chief
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 9:27amA Christian actually thought he had rights. What was he thinking. He is not part of that Protected status.
grandmaof5
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 9:30amNudge, nudge, push, shove. A letter of thanks and a plaque would have sufficed (and maybe some Krispy Kreme donuts).
Report Post »rappini
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 9:31amKudos to the Cop, the mussies could have thanked them with a phone call.
Report Post »StonyBurk
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 9:34amThe only dishonor I see is on the anti-American–or severely beguiled superior that issued this order to attend. Now had he chosen to go and plant several “bugs” for future intel–that might be a good thing. But I see this stupid act on the part of his superiors as no different than ordering a fireman or a law Officer to attend a Gay Pride Parade -as a supporter of that abomination.IMO the order must be seen as illegal.-and the gibberjab of the superiors a clear and present danger for it suggests submission to ISLAM.would these officials feel the same had the event been at a Christian church?
Report Post »LOOKING_BOTH_WAYS
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 9:37amI bet the Public Union & the ACLU will stand up for the Officer
Report Post »HillBillySam1
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 10:15amThe cowards would not TOUCH a Muslim officer if he declined to attend an event at a church or synagogue……the police Captain would know that his career would be in jeapordy if he even suggested it…..This whole event was to make the police dept. higher-ups and the fuzzy-wuzzy Muslims look good……what a disgusting charade…..
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 10:25amWay to go Captain, now that is a cop I can respect…..This is bull crap. Muslim appreciation and sensitivity day. I would have refused the same thing This is the kind of crap that makes my blood boil. Now that it is out, it is up to the Oklahoma politicians and the people to remove certain people from positions and get rid of this PC garbage. Muslims deserve ABSOLUTELY no special attention anymore than any other group. The only reason for these things is because it is the new civil liberty cause of the left. However, they have a problem……… some Muslims are honor killing their kids and blowing things up. Talk about your “intolerance”, seems to me the beloved buzz word of the left is the anthem of Islam. Again, liberalism is completely inconsistent and contradictory, as always. I would tell them to take their appreciation Day and shove it up their PC backsides !!!!!
Report Post »HillBillySam1
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 10:38amGosh, KILLA…..I thought that you supported union worker’s rights……or is it when those rights don’t offend your tender sensibilities????
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 10:39am@ KOOLAID………….you are so weary with your GB bashing. You are really sad I guess. A comment here or there fine. A criticism here or there fine. But you really contradict yourself when you cry how insignificant and wrong and small he is, yet you give your undivided attention to him in every comment you make. Therefore, you must not believe your own spew or else you would ignore someone who is an insignificant liar, “with shrinking ratings”. You are truly a sad fixated obsessed individual that pretty much everyone on here ignores unless they are just as fixated and obsessed as you are !!!!!! Now go back to your, “Beck bot” rants and your giggling to yourself and we will continue to consider your comments obsolete as the meaningless diatribe that they are !!!!!!
HillBillySam1
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 10:44amHey…..what happened to “KOOLAID”???? He just disappeared………..OH YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 10:45am@ KILLADORK………..You mean like the teachers in WI that were told to get back to work that kept giving fraudulent sick excuses????? Or maybe more like the Dem politicians that skipped town to hold up an official act of the government?????????? You are such a contradiction…. your hardly worth the energy it takes to type this out to expose you !!!!!!!!!
sleazyhippo
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Report Post »rgranger
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 10:52amGee Killa, then I guess those Gays and Lesbians should get other jobs and resign from the Military…I do agree with you there.
Report Post »snidley-whiplash
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 10:57amOur politically correct, inept, uneducated, lying, deceitful, despised, cowardly, doubtful, impaired, phony, tricky, disgusting, irrational, cheating, hostile, liberal, spineless, over-spending, military hating, godless……….
Report Post »president , cazars, and congressional officials including all those with a socialist, communist, marxist, union and islamic agendas……………
Impeach them now……… And yes replace them with strict Constitutionalists!
“We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office” – Aesop
HillBillySam1
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:00amExcellent point, RANGER……of course, you know that a statement like that makes you a “hater”, right???……I’m one too, I guess…….
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:10amWould he have gone to a synagogue or a Buddhist temple?
Just askin’.
Report Post »ilovethiscountry
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:16am@Stonyburk
You make an excellent point. The officers would not attend a gay rights parade either.
Report Post »JoeyBagaDonuts
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:20amIf a Muslim cop refused to go to a Christian church, would he have been disciplined? No way, if that happened the ACLU (Anti-Christian-Lawyers-Union) would be suing everybody.
The so called Muslim “religion of peace” is our enemy and wants to kill us infidels. This Smart Police Officer didn’t fall for the con job of a Thanks event for the local cops.
How about an event of apology for the 911 attacks and the murder of innocent American Christians and Jews overseas?
American heads getting chopped off by Muslims, in the name of their god Allah, should be a clue to Chief Dumb-Ass Jordon where at war with these people. Their beliefs are the same here and abroad.
Captain Paul Fields should be getting a promotion to Police Chief and Chief Chuck Jordan should be fired for being an idiot.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:21amThis makes me curious, what religion or religious edict prohibits simply entering a mosque (or any other “not my faith”) institution to participate in a non-religious event?
Report Post »ForgivenWretch
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:24amLan Astaslem
Report Post »AKMIIKEUS
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:28am@WatchOtherHand
Are you referring to the teachers that were fighting for their rights for collective bargaining?
Are you referring to the Democrat senators that were doing their jobs by boycotting a vote?
Unlike you, people fight for what they believe is right. If these people didn‘t care so strongly for their jobs they wouldn’t be protesting.
Before unions, people in this country worked 7 days a week, 12 hours a day, without breaks, sick days or vacations in exchange for little pay.
If they were hurt on the job, they were free to seek a new career as panhandlers and beggars.
When they retired, they were free to be a burden on their families. Children as young as four and five were free to work along side their parents at the factory. Before unions people were free to suffer under oppressive and dangerous working conditions to the advantage of corporations.
If anyone is contradiciting themselves, it is you. Maybe if this policeman had a union he would be supported and not have to go out and get a lawyer.
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:46am@ GHOST…..I disagree with you the point of the Captain was the compulsory nature of the command. He had no problem with voluntarily attending. How can you or anyone say who should or should not be offended when it comes to someones faith or religion???? You cannot therefore the Capt. is right it should not have been compulsory…….. just my 2 cents
Report Post »ZeitgeistBuster
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:47amGhostofIgnorance,
There is no religous edict needed. It is the guy’s own conscience which is at the curx of the issue here.
The right to exercise your own beliefs is what is at stake. You gonna tell the American Indians that their belief in the Great Spirit is null and void just because they don’t have any “edicts” written on paper enjoining other Indians to show respect to the Great Spirit?
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:56am@watchtheotherhand
“@ GHOST…..I disagree with you ”
What did I say to disagree with? I was asking an honest question. This had nothing to do with him being forced to go, that I disagree with. He was citing a religious reason, and I wanted to know precisely what that reason was as it is something that I have not as of yet heard of.
“the point of the Captain was the compulsory nature of the command. He had no problem with voluntarily attending. How can you or anyone say who should or should not be offended when it comes to someones faith or religion???? You cannot therefore the Capt. is right it should not have been compulsory…….. just my 2 cents”
I didn’t say he should or should be offended. I asked an honest question. See my previous paragraph.
Report Post »Koolaiders
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:57amWould this cop go to a jewish temple?
I ask this simply because on his radio show Feb 22, Beck compared Jewish rabbis to Islamic radical mullahs.
See here for Beck’s comments:
http://www.examiner.com/political-buzz-in-national/glenn-beck-apologizes-to-making-haphazard-and-ignorant-mistake-audio
and -> http://www.alan.com/2011/02/23/glenn-beck-compares-reform-judaism-to-radical-islam/
Here’s the list of the 400 rabbis who slammed Beck for his hateful comments, in a full page ad in the wall street journal.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/artsandliving/journalad/index.html
Huh? Rabbis = radical Islam??????
Abraham Foxman of the anti-defamation league, who has not always been critical of Beck, put it well:
“To compare Reform Judaism, which supports democratic institutions, to Islamic extremism, which supports anti-democratic movements and the repression of basic rights – including, for example, the denial of women’s rights – is beyond the pale,” Foxman said. “Glenn Beck has no right to discount the faith of any people, and he should think twice before commenting on something he doesn’t know much about. He owes the Reform movement an apology.”
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:59am@ZeitgeistBuster
“GhostofIgnorance,”
Must you start with ad hominem when no offense was offered to you or anybody? Is that really how you wish to engage in a civil conversation?
“There is no religous edict needed. It is the guy’s own conscience which is at the curx of the issue here.”
I’m not saying he should be forced to attend. He cited religious reasons, I was wondering what that reason was specifically. It was a question probing his general expressed objection. Like if somebody says “I don’t want to drive a car, it’s against my upbringing”, I’d naturally ask “what in your upbringing prohibits you from driving, if I may ask”. How that equates to “you must drive!” is beyond me. Much in the same way asking for the specific religious grounds he alluding somehow equates to “he must attend!”.
I mean really, how could you infer that?
“You gonna tell the American Indians that their belief in the Great Spirit is null and void just because they don’t have any “edicts” written on paper enjoining other Indians to show respect to the Great Spirit?”
Non sequitur. Show me where I was stating that he HAD to do anything please. I was wondering if there was a specific Christian (or whatever he is) prohibition on entering mosque in a non-religious capacity. It was curiosity. Get it?
Report Post »GOTAREVOLUTION
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 12:04pmAnother great American who is not PC correct.
Report Post »You have your standing orders sir.
Will you comply. No sir I shall not because this
transcends my morallity and belief system sir.
The only thing we got going in this revolution
is that my local police official knows this
is a bunch o’ crap and he will not shoot me
for saying so. IMHO
waggie
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 12:10pm“It’s a symptom of the unfortunately rising level of anti-Muslim sentiment we have in our society,” Hooper told Fox News. “It sends a message of marginalization that somehow Muslims aren’t part of American society.”
Hello??? It has NOTHING to do with anti-Muslim sentiment. It has everything to do with the fact that the Muslims are trying to ram their religion down our throats and WE DON’T WANT IT! Living in America is all about religious freedom! If I don’t want to go to your d@mn mosque, guess what? I won’t!
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 12:10pm@ GHOST …….I assumed that in stating your question in the manner in which you did that you were attempting to emphasize that it was an overreaction by the captain…..It didn’t come across as an honest question to me……Sorry for my assumption. To answer your question from my Christian perspective. It was not entering the Mosque that would offend me but rather what the flyer indicated about prayers and “presentations on beliefs, women’s and human rights“ That to me sir would offend my Christian faith being forced to attend that type of ”event”. I think you can understand that as a Christian I view Islam as a false religion that teaches “doctrines of demons” therefore I am not interested in hearing from them in their place of worship their beliefs. I have studied Islam extensively and can read their Quran for myself and have. I think it was a sneaky attempt to espouse their views.
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 12:12pm@ KOOLAID………….you are so weary with your GB bashing. You are really sad I guess. A comment here or there fine. A criticism here or there fine. But you really contradict yourself when you cry how insignificant and wrong and small he is, yet you give your undivided attention to him in every comment you make. Therefore, you must not believe your own spew or else you would ignore someone who is an insignificant liar, “with shrinking ratings”. You are truly a sad fixated obsessed individual that pretty much everyone on here ignores unless they are just as fixated and obsessed as you are !!!!!! Now go back to your, “Beck bot” rants and your giggling to yourself and we will continue to consider your comments obsolete as the meaningless diatribe that they are !!!!!!
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 12:16pm@watchtheotherhand
Thanks for your perspective on it.
I kind of run under the assumption that most people here have seen me post enough to understand that I don’t believe in forced *anything*. Maybe that’s a bad assumption on my part though?
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 12:22pm@ AMEKIUS……..Where oh where is the “right to collectively bargain” my fairytale loving friend? and unlike me not fighting….I am afraid my error laden opponent you do not know me at all !!! I will stand and fight at the cost of my own life for the things I believe in. I was pointing out the hypocrisy of “KILLA” when he wanted this cop fired for insubordination. What the teachers and WI Dems did was not legal at all but fraudulent and obstructive. There is no law that politicians can “run away” like a rebellious teenager when they are in the minority and can‘t stop a vote they don’t like, eg, Health Care reform at the federal level. You sir are an inconsistent ignoramus !!! You are fairly weak in your points and I think you pretty well did my job for me by exposing your own inconsistency, thank you for playing but try again when you get a little older.
Report Post »CHRYSOSTOM
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 12:23pmI’m afraid it goes far beyond PC… our very existance as a nation is in the balance.
In the middle ages the Crusades were formed by the Christian Nations in order
to reclaim the Holy Lands and to stop the spread of Islam, which was spreading over
the civilized world like a cancer. There is no such thing as a “Moderate” Muslim.
They all follow the same Religious and Social order which is symbiotic. It is their
goal to destroy Christianity along with the Jews. The Jews just happen to be their
primary target at the moment. If the Jews are eradicated in the Middle East the Christians and Jews
are next throughout the world. Curently the Communists and the Saracens {the name given
the Muslims by the Crusaders in the middle ages] are joining together for the same end.
They think they can control each other once we christians and jews are all slaughtered. But
they are both wrong as they will then slaughter each other if they happen to get rid of the rest
of us. Their program was conceived in Hell and is being carried out by the agents of Hell.
The Police Captian was correct in refusing to attend the Saracen Pep Rally and Convert Mining
event. These Saracens are a Trojan Horse allowed into our country by the Chief Commie/Saracen
Obumma. I know we are a nation dedicated to Freedom of Religion, but the Saracens go far
beyond just a Religion. They are a “Social Ordr” dedicated to our destruction.
PC is just one arrow in the quiver of both the Communists and the Saracens. If the Communists
Report Post »win out in Wisconsin, Indiana, Ohio…etc. then the nation is finished. Already the timid and
cowardly Republicans in Washington are caving on their promise of cutting 100 Billion from the budget for this phyiscal year. I believe it will get worse from here on out. They still don’t get it that the American people are behind them and know what the Communists are up to with the name calling and all the rest of it. Yet they still cower in the face of it… Viva Christo Rey
watchtheotherhand
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 12:27pm@ GHOST …….your welcome. I find you most reasonable and enjoy the conversations and comments.
Report Post »DTOM_Jericho
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 12:34pmSeems funny to see a cop use the Constitution instead of violate it. Same as the first time I said it moderator.
Have you figured out yet that your bigger problem is your comment system really sucks? Everyone just responds to the first post to keep their comment on the front page. What I don’t understand is who you could not have fixed it yet. It seems willful.
Report Post »ZeitgeistBuster
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 12:38pmGhostofJefferson: You are 100% correct about the ad-homenim… I am sorry about that. Unwashed foot tastes awful!
I would not make the assumption that the event was non-religious as you imply it was in your question.
My stand would be the same if the cop refused to go to a Scientology event as an invited guest where they were going to be explaining Scientology Beliefs.
What happened to the spirit of the enlightenment when the notion was among other things: I may vehemetly disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it?
I may disagree with your religous convictions, but I am no bigot for that. It seems that this could have been an innocent invitation…. then again I’ve seen a local Baptist “minister” tell my cousin’s Catholic kids in an “open house” meeting that they were doomed to hell if they didn’t leave the Catholic Church.
Let’s be a community in the Public Square, and exchange ideas there, and let our examples in daily life speak for our faith.
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 12:40pm@AKMIKEUS:
Yes, but, but, but, but (spluttering inconerently) those are private-sector unions you’re defending, and public-sector unions are an entirely different matter because they negotiate with government monopolies which can pass increased wage and benefit costs on to us poor taxpayers!
Private-sector unions, we love those, but teachers‘ and firefighters’ unions, well, those are just a step away from communism, or Islamofascism, or top-up, bottom-in, inside-down, or whatever–conveniently ignoring the fact that private-sector unions have been all but wiped out over the last 30 years.
Unions need a base from which to claw their way back into serious private-sector organizing, and it looks as if government unions, with all their faults, with all their faults, are it, but it seems most of the folks here don’t really want that either.
It reminds me of how (so I’ve heard) if one lobster tries to climb out of a pot of boiling water, others in the pot will claw him back down in, so there’s no chance that he might help pull them out.
Of course, lobsters are anything but altruistic, and I’d like to think anti-union Americans are smarter than crustaceans, but I’m beginning to have my doubts.
Report Post »thegrassroots
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 1:25pmHere’s an e-address for the Tulsa, OK Police Department: askacop@city of tulsa.org
Let the Chief and the Deputy Chief know that, in these days, their lowlife behaviors gain National Attention — That Captain Paul Fields Is The True American Hero Here.
Because Chuck Jordan and Daryl Webster have stoop down to be politically correct, they have merely joined the ranks of the obama sycophants aka liberal lemmings. Those two need to be fired. Captain Fields needs to replace Chuck Jordan as chief.
Report Post »jzs
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 2:08pmThe officer was wrong and he’ll lose his lawsuit. Police Departments everywhere do “community outreach” to increase cooperation with their community and dispel negative stereotypes about policeman. If a police department is doing that, then it’s part of his job, one he refused to do (on very questionable grounds as Ghost points out, and I can hardly believe I agree with Ghost on anything).
The elephant in the room here is that the guy is a bigot and maybe not thinking to clearly either. If he can’t go in a Mosque (or Buddhist temple or whever else), shake some hands and smile for an hour despite his personal predudice – this was an event honoring the police department for Christ’s sake – then I’d question his ability to give these American citizens “equal protection under the law”. He should be transferred.
Report Post »ForgivenWretch
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 2:08pm@DTOM_JERICHO
Report Post »Your comment is without taste and is in poor judgement.
watchtheotherhand
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 2:25pm@ JZS………….I find it interesting that you lecture on what should and should not be the sensibilities of someones faith as you use the Lord’s name in vain. I also find you, as usual, inconsistent when you hail this captain as a discriminatory bigot as your obvious bias against the Christians sensibilities is on full display. His objection was to what was stated on the flyer would be the point of the event my once again fact dodging friend. You are terribly hypocritical as you attack this captain for his bigotry, but then again……. he who say he has no pride has the most. By it’s very definition bigotry is a predetermined bias against a people group based on stereotypes. Sounds like, unless you know this captain’s personal beliefs you are guilty of what you condemned him for.
Report Post »touch
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 2:29pmDo you think a Muslim captain in the Police force would attend a Christian event without an ulterior motive?
Report Post »Grandmadar
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 2:34pmHi Snow, I enjoy reading your posts. I agree with you on this. Just doesn’t make sense. It is like the Gov is trying to “establish a religion” which the Constitution says the Gov is not to do that.
Report Post »jzs
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 2:48pmOtherhand – Do your research! Haven’t we talked about that? Here is the flier in question:
http://ztruth.typepad.com/.a/6a00e00986be4d8833014e5f652c5e970c-pi
Note the words, “Casual Come and Go Atmosphere.” Note the words, “Presentations upon request” which, somehow, the Blaze left out in their description of the flier.
You know, these guys were just trying to make a friendly gesture to the police in response to a police investigation of a threat against them. And yes, probably trying to dispel some steriotypes, just as the police are doing with this and other outreach programs. Everybody is trying to make peace, as in “Prince of Peace” kind of peace. Except this one cop, whom everyone is cheering for.
Watchtheotherhand, you strike me a nice guy and smart. The first thing you should do when you read something here is confirm it for youself.
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 3:04pm@ JZS…….If it is a casual come and go atmosphere then why make it compulsory in the first place if I can simply leave? That is inconsistent. You see no one is arguing the voluntary nature of the event if you want to go great, what in the world difference does it make if one or even a couple cops don’t go and all the rest do? I am pretty sure no ones rights are violated then? It is the compulsory nature of the story that I and others take issue with. Otherwise, you are subjecting others to what YOU consider religiously offensive or not. And I know due to your other posts you are not in favor of any kind of forced religious views.
Report Post »However, to make a mandatory event that I can come and go as I please doesn’t make much sense. I think you would probably have to agree with that.
watchtheotherhand
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 3:10pm@ JZS………….BTW thank you for your compliments that was refreshing and very kind of you. I hope many do not misunderstand my passion in my responses sometimes. I am a passionate person and I love for my views to be challenged and always honed. And if need be shown to be false so that I may always be in pursuit of Truth. The difference that all of us on this site demonstrate really is determined by what our worldview is. It is the foundation of which we interpret the reality around us. The biggest question all of us should ask ourselves is, “what is the Truest worldview”. If the foundation is wrong then no matter how right sounding our conclusions they are destined to collapse in inconsistency and contradictions.
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 3:20pm@ JZS……apparently you have not migrated back to the other story in which you claimed “do your research”. You will find that you were in the wrong. I will be kind to you sir because you were kind and I believe it was a mistake and not intentional. If you go back to the salary story you will see that you were mistaken and not me.
Report Post »jzs
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 3:21pmWatchtheotherhand, you are backtracking. Community outreach, with this police department as in my home city, is compulsory because – you know – it’s part of the job. Job requirements are compulsory. Firefighters go to schools and talk about fire safety whether they like kids are not. It’s part of their job.
As I said, the Muslims were extending a hand in thanks, and the police department wanted to reciprocate. And you cheer for the one guy who says it’s against his religion to be nice to Muslims. You can keep cheering for the guy that refused to make nice. What would Jesus have done otherhand?
Report Post »Brooke Lorren
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 3:22pmCall the Alliance Defense Fund. :-) My husband’s interning with them this summer, they love to take cases like this.
Report Post »DTOM_Jericho
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 3:31pm@FORGIVENWRETCH
Based on what? Because you think you know cops? Or you are asserting that they are a Constitutional structure? So out of ALL the comments on here, MINE is the one that seems in poor taste. When the crux of the article is a cop violating the constitution??!! (and another seeking protecting) What a poor argument. Talk about judgement.
Sorry I am not the sycophant for cops that you and Beck seem to be.
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 4:03pm@ JZS…….Trust me my friend you do not want to stray on to my turf about what Jesus would do!!!!! I the risk of presuming what He would do, I would simply direct you to how he dealt with the religious Jewish leaders of His day that held on to false beliefs. He confronted them. Told them the truth. Then he debated with them why they were wrong. He them told them of their destiny if they did not repent. Even at one point driving them form the temple with a whip. He most certainly did not extend the hand of fellowship as you presume to mean. He loved them as He should have by telling them the truth that could save their souls. I did not back track at all simply pointed out the inconsistency of what you said.
Report Post »avenger
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 4:28pmway to go Capt Fields ! screw diversity and the idiots that enforce it ….
Report Post »AriBenTZion
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 4:31pmTake a look at this video on youtube:
watch?v=KuEw23erAk8
In it, you will see and hear an Islamic cleric teaching that Mohammed (may his name and memory be obliterated), had sex with children.
Report Post »ForgivenWretch
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 5:01pm@DTOM_JERICHO
Report Post »Your reference assumes all LE are here to violate your rights. Of course there will be some that do and should be disciplined accordingly. There isn’t any room for abuse, no matter what we are talking about. However, I don’t care what system you want in place or what organizations you follow, but they all have rules/laws that are to be followed and enforced. LE is there to protect rights while enforcing the law. Such as someone being assaulted; protect the rights of the victim and enforce the law. You can’t have a society without someone to enforce the law. Having said that, I don‘t believe or want the gov’t trying to protect me from every little thing, but that’s what voting is for.
moonpeace
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 5:30pmI confess! I am part of my society’s anti-Muslim sentiment. What do they expect? Until Muslims stop wanting to kill me and my loved ones they will never be a part of my American society; no, they will always be marginalized until that happens.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 9:17pmBeing an Okie my first thought was to think what the hell, but once you get into facts one can realize this is being made out to be more then what it really is. This wasn’t a lesson, class, or fundraiser type event for Islam or their mosque. This was simple appreciation being shown by Oklahomans to their Civil Servants, Cops, and them saying Thank You. It is not against the Christian faith to receive appreciation for service worked. This Captain picked the wrong fight.
Think about it, if there had been bomb threats to the Catholic Church of Tulsa or any other common Faith and that institution invited the Cops who defended them to an appreciation event at their locations and Cops didn‘t attend or weren’t allowed to most would be upset.
Appreciation for service is a value that should be practiced and encouraged. It promotes love thy neighbor.
@Patriotdave
No way OK will become an Islamic State….We passed a law banning Sharia Law and was made fun of. Does your state have a law banning Sharia? While there is a few “hot pockets” of those practicing Islam, you mostly find them near the major University here in OK…..
Report Post »mhills51
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 10:06pmWhen are these people going to learn that everything muslims do is for their religion. They have no separation, so this event was all about the religion and nothing else. Not like going to a Catholic Church for a pot luck dinner were there wouldn’t even be a prayer before the meal also if police would of been forced to go there Oh my would the outrage go on and on
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 10:43pm@mhills51
Yes appreciation is part of Islam as it is with Catholics and all Faiths and it should be a moral value promoted regardless of the source.
Everything Catholics do is for their Religion is it not? A pot luck dinner with or without prayer is still practicing a Catholic value is it not?
Worshipping was not part of the event, it was more like getting a medal, that simple. Appreciation is a good thing and opportunity to use dialogue.
A man of faith would attend if for no other reason then to talk to a lost soul or enemy to pursue them to the right path.
Report Post »Strictlybusiness
Posted on February 25, 2011 at 2:39amI’m NOT one to hop on a BAND WAGON, I’m NOT one whom makes it a practice of saying listen to _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ who ever , fill in the blanks…. But Glen Beck WOW GLEN is for whatever the reason, DEAD ON and it is time to be ready for ANYTHING ! ! ! ! I mean look at this story here in OK, wow folks the assaults on freedom are like labor pains now, this all started out slowly and rather orderly but has rapidly (like the birth oains of having a child) gotten out of control the contractions are now constant (NO break in between the Pains) theres no relief, and we are dialated to 8cm, and this birth is going to happen, THE BIRTH BEING, “THE BIRTH OF A NEW WORLD ORDER”….This is one birth that NEEDS TO BE ABORTED ! ! ! ! !
Report Post »moonfish
Posted on February 25, 2011 at 8:27amJust found a news article from July of 2010 where the beloved Deputy Chief Webster accused the Mayor of Tulsa with police union busting. Hum… Go figure… Unions and Muslims.
Report Post »VISITORNUMBER3
Posted on February 25, 2011 at 11:00am@Gobluebuckeye: Trust me, there are…
Report Post »Capt Rick
Posted on February 25, 2011 at 4:04pmThis is a good test taken from: http://www.tawfikhamid.com/
Dr. Tawfik Hamid is a moderate Muslim.
ABCs Test of Radical Islam
The time has come to define Radical Islam. Please ask your local mosque, Islamic School, and Islamic organization to clearly, unambiguously and publically denounce the following concepts:
A) Apostates killing
B) Beating women and stoning women to death for adultery
C) Calling Jews pigs and monkeys.
D) Declaring war on Non Muslims to spread Islam after offering Non Muslims three options – subjugate to Islam, pay Jizia (a humiliating tax), or be killed.
E) Enslavement of Other Human Beings.
F) Fighting and killing Jews before the “End of Days”.
G) Gay killing.
A true moderate person or organization must be able to immediately denounce the above concepts and stand publicly and unambiguously against them.
The Muslim world must not expect the world to call Islam peaceful as long as they teach and promote the above teaching.
A clear stand is needed from leading Islamic Scholars all over the world against the above ABCs.
Report Post »Marrabella
Posted on February 25, 2011 at 6:23pmUsually, Snow, I’m on the same page as you. However, it was a social event given to “thank” the police community. What would it hurt to go, look around, and play “nice”.
Report Post »Like it or not, there are Muslims in this country. To insult them so publicly isn’t cool.
Choose your battles.
dr_funk
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 2:53amWould the Captain be transferred for refusing to go to a KKK “thank you” rally?
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