Okla. Supreme Court Rules Personhood Effort ‘Is Clearly Unconstitutional’
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OKLAHOMA CITY (The Blaze/AP) — The Oklahoma Supreme Court on Monday halted an effort to grant “personhood” rights to human embryos, saying the measure is unconstitutional.
The state’s highest court ruled unanimously that a proposed amendment to the Oklahoma Constitution that would define a fertilized human egg as a person violates a 1992 U.S. Supreme Court decision involving a Pennsylvania case and “is clearly unconstitutional.” Supporters of the personhood amendment are trying to gather enough signatures to put it before Oklahoma voters on the November ballot.
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Opponents contend the measure would ban abortions without exception and interfere with a woman’s right to use certain forms of contraception and medical procedures, such as in vitro fertilization.
The American Civil Liberties Union and the New York-based Center for Reproductive Rights filed a protest with the state Supreme Court on behalf of several Oklahoma doctors and residents. They asked the court to stop the group Personhood Oklahoma from gathering signatures.
The nine-member court determined the initiative petition “is void on its face” and struck it down.
“The only course available to this court is to follow what the United States Supreme Court, the final arbiter of the United States Constitution, has decreed,” the court said.
The ruling is the latest setback for abortion opponents who have been pursuing personhood measures in several states. In December, a judge in Nevada ruled that a personhood initiative petition was vague and could not be circulated for signatures to qualify for the 2012 ballot. Similar personhood proposals were defeated last year in Mississippi and Colorado.
Dan Skerbitz of Personhood Oklahoma said the organization’s attorneys will have to study the decision before deciding how to proceed. He said that next year, supporters may ask the Legislature to place the issue on a statewide ballot.
“We will consider our legal options in response to this,” Skerbitz said. “We’ll also have to reconsider our on-the-ground strategy here.”
The backers of the signature drive have said their goal is to set up a legal challenge to the landmark Roe v. Wade decision by the U.S. Supreme Court in 1973 that gave women a legal right to abortion.
“We’re going to do everything we can to try to save innocent children,” state Rep. Mike Reynolds, a Republican from Oklahoma City who is one of the petition organizers, said Monday.
Efforts to pass a personhood bill failed in the Legislature this year. A measure granting fertilized human eggs the rights and privileges of Oklahoma residents that had been approved by the Senate died in the House on Thursday. House Speaker Kris Steele, a Republican from Shawnee, had said that a majority of the GOP caucus had privately voted against hearing the bill.
Opponents argued that the proposed amendment “would confer rights on a fertilized egg that trump the rights of each woman to determine whether and when to conceive and whether to carry a pregnancy to term.”
Court documents filed by opponents noted the state Supreme Court rejected an attempt to use the initiative petition process to ban abortion in 1992, ruling that the process could not be used to curtail rights secured to women by the U.S. Constitution.
Nancy Northup, president and CEO of the Center for Reproductive Rights, said the Oklahoma Constitution specifically prohibits amendments that are “repugnant to the Constitution of the United States.”
“This amendment would have run roughshod over the fundamental, constitutionally protected reproductive rights of all Oklahoma women,” Northrup said.
Ryan Kiesel, executive director of the ACLU’s Oklahoma chapter and a former Democratic lawmaker, said the court’s decision Monday supports the notion that a woman and her family, “and not the government,” should be making decisions on reproductive health care.
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John_The_Beloved
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 5:10pmI’ll be glad once Yeshua comes back and gives us new and better bodies. I hope God scrapes the old reproductive system because the selfishness of women it has become an issue. Whatever happen to women being caring nurturers of life?
Report Post »Chet Hempstead
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 8:48pmI rather like the reproductive system the way it is, but I wouldn’t mind if he gave you a better brain.
Report Post »gdbhusker
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 5:08pmOh so they now go to the Constitution huh????? well We Okies also voted that Sharia law can NEVER be used in a court of law here in Oklahoma…..it passed with 89% of the vote…..our pathetic state court says that it is Unconstitutional because it dis-allows muslims their religious freedoms and beliefs???????This is the kind of thing that makes so many HATE and DESPISE our government in it’s current state…they only use the Constitution when it helps THEIR cause…not Mine or yours!!!! Obamacare clearly violates just about every section of any law we have and the Constitution…..but hold the phone…if you say that then you are a redneck racist who hates obama because he is darker than you and you want people to die……yet they allow millions to die on the alter of the all mighty dollar……our society is sickening to me…..
Report Post »teamarcheson
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 6:21pmThe only thing Democrats care about is eating dog meat and killing babies. Product Liability Law has always protected un-born babies against injury from medicines and medical procedures their mothers received. Non-persons (chairs are non-persons) should not be able to collect $millions in damages from drug companies but they have. Our nation is being destroyed by the same people who murder babies.
Report Post »toto
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 6:45pmOur courts have been populated with those that are “interpreting” our Constitution to destroy us not protect us.
Report Post »snooop1e
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 7:50pmIf a HUMAN embryo is not HUMAN what is it? A gopher? Imagine standing before almighty God and trying to explain that a HUMAN embryo is just a bunch of tissue. Lord Have Mercy
Report Post »db321
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 7:55pmI can feel everyone anger in their post – you’re all correct – America is no longer recognizable – the liberals, socialist and Marxist are having a field day and very soon they are going to get everything they want.
Just remember the Bible teaches us that in the very times we are in – God would remove Lawlessness from the Earth. The libs want it this way – and God is about to give it to them – however, they are not going to like it – there will no longer be laws throughout this great land – this means if it feels good – do it – if you want to have sex with your neighbors wife or young son or daughter without their permission – by all means “Do It”. If you want to bring Sharia Law into your land – bring it – but don’t complain – you will one day realize that Satan is a lair!
Thank God, our lord promised that he would not put his people through this Lawlessness again.
I use to get upset – I loved America – and I really thought America would put up a fight – I see now that I was wrong — Let the Libs have it – my suggestion is for those that believe – it’s time to pray up – pack up – because we are going up soon!
Let these libs that want to work – pay for those that will not work – let our youth and run wild – the Libs are going to love Sports free from such horrible people like Tim Teabow – let them have what they want – Take God off the US dollar – Burn down our churches – go ahead it yours.
I assure you the Liberals are not going to like the World they a
Report Post »snooop1e
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 8:02pm@Salamander – So according to the “Salamander Rule” if you start choking on a piece of steak the second you stop breathing you are no longer a “person” you are just a big blog of tissue. Seems a little shaky when you follow it through to it‘s logical conclusion doesn’t it?
Report Post »Better Dead Than Red
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 8:04pm“Ryan Kiesel, executive director of the ACLU’s Oklahoma chapter and a former Democratic lawmaker, said the court’s decision Monday supports the notion that a woman and her family, “and not the government,” should be making decisions on reproductive health care.”
This is exactly why I am a conservative. Keep the government out of my life, my bedroom and my healthcare!!
Report Post »kaydeebeau
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 8:40pm@ DB thanks for the reminder….I think those of us who have read the Book, grieve for those who choose poorly. I had a “revelation” the other day that has given me peace and comfort. I (we) are only required to go and tell. We cannot convince (only the Lord can do the convincing)
As long as we are going and telling, our work is done. Though, like you, I still ache for those who will not believe since I know the end of the Book. And as long as I have breath, I will be telling, God will still be convincing and alas there will always be rejectors.
Adnoai li v lo ira
Report Post »Halo9x
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 8:57pmI share your outrage! It seems that it doesn’t matter what the majority wants anymore.we are being ruled by courts, politicians and special interest groups and unions! Oh, I forgot the bureaucrat in Washington. This has got to stop!
Report Post »SovereignSoul
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 9:59pmWhen has it ever been about what the majority wants?
Report Post »Salamander
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 10:10pmSNOOPIE–thanks for the observation. But, if you were writing about my views, I certainly didn’t intend that! Since it wasn’t linked, I’m not sure about your reference. Perhaps you misunderstood my ‘breathing’ reference–it was to suggest that perhaps personhood begins with that first breath–at birth! Once dead, you ‘were’ a person, but you aren’t now. That doesn’t mean that one can choke the life out of another and claim that since they are no longer a person, no crime has been committed. My post was intended to highlight the implications of granting ‘personhood’ at the instant of conception, rather than at the event of birth. A person comes into this world at birth and leaves it at death. Life occurs at conception, and can continue beyond death–otherwise, why be an organ donor? Does a donated organ have the status of personhood? The Assurance of Pardon and Life Everlasting is something else, altogether, and transcends our laws of the land. Thanks, again, for your comment!
Report Post »SHOWMESTATEGUY
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 10:19pmIt is getting to the point that only the courts matter in this country. People vote, courts say no.
That is one reason we must elect conservative people to represent us. Just because the person has an “R” before her / his title does not mean she / he is a conservative.
The liberal courts have been ruling this country for the last 50 years. The people’s will be damned!
If the liberal courts don’t agree will the will of the people they just say no, and everybody just shrugs.
Report Post »Jayms
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 11:47pmThat’s the reality that Democrats want you to believe. The best thing you can do as an individual is to educate yourself and live a good, just life. Or get into politics, gather enough votes, then make a run for office. Either way…
Report Post »Darlie
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 11:51pmVery disappointing ruling for the most conservative state in the union. Clearly, the Court does not represent people. Might be the second worse decision since Roe v. Wade.
Report Post »Constantine Ivanov
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 11:51pm@TEAMARCHESON:
“Our nation is being destroyed by the same people who murder babies” you said.
Hmmm… I never blame cockroaches for them being cockroaches. I always blame myself, if cockroaches all of a sudden appear in my kitchen and start ruling there.
So, to slightly paraphrase your statement: “Our nation is being destroyed by those people who allow baby-killers and the likes to penetrate our Federal and State institutions, from the White House to local police precincts.
We played too long stinky Political Correctness and Affirmative games. Now we have to devout the hogwash we cooked by our own hands.
Report Post »texasbeta
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 12:36amThis is a remarkably moronic post. Nice work. You represent your state well. BTW – voting that Sharia Law can never be in your courts is like voting the Dragons can’t use HOV lanes. Morons.
Report Post »kaydeebeau
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 1:32am@ Texas…huh? Have you been sleeping? Do you not know that sharia has infiltrated courts in our country? Try google search Sharia rulings us courts… if you want to narrow your results try adding New Jersey to your search criterai
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 8:18amYo Keedeebeau:
Read Ezekiel 33:1-6 … I believe … I have been frustrated at times trying to “reason” with some here and elsewhere, and then I remember those verses, and I know that I have done what the Lord has asked
Report Post »novelator
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 8:42amWell, I don’t want to live under your religious tyranny anymore than I want to live under the Progressive tyranny.
As the laws in our country stand now, are you–the religious–not free to pursue your beliefs that life begins at conception and abortion is, therefore, wrong? Are not free to NOT abort? Why is it that everyone has to kowtow to your belief? Why are you trying to impose your view of life on someone else? How are you any different than the Progressives who want to impose their belief in socialism on everyone else? How are you different than the Muslims who want to impose Sharia Law on everyone else?
Like I said, a religious tyranny would be no better than a Progressive tyranny, not to me.
The best laws are those that extend the greatest freedoms to the highest number of people. Why is it that the religious can‘t see or make allowance for others who don’t believe? Why did God give us all free will? So that you–the religious–can impose your will on others? No. So that each person is allowed to make their own mistakes and learn from them.
Personally, I think the greater sin is a desire to use God’s name to invoke tyranny of any sort. I mean, after all, who died and made one of you a God? Who told you that you know best for the rest?
Maybe you all ought to step back and re-read that Constitution and then look at the similarities between you who claim to love the Lord and the godless you appear to hate with all your hearts.
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 8:44amYo DB321:
Be careful, if you alude to the rapture. There’s is alot of bad teaching concerning this. It is at the sound of the 7th trump when his are called up to be with Him at his return. It is then that the bowls are poured out with JESUS here. There is NO verse in the bible that say’s we excape this time, and I am aware of the verses that are used to try to “defend” this bad teaching. I believe that in part the “great falling away” is because many think they will escape this time, and when they do not their anger will burn against God. Many of these people will be the “prosperity people”.
Report Post »I will be happy to share more with you if you reply …. please read the prayer of Jesus in John 17 ,it backs up what I have said to you.
Another thought … there were may God fearing Jews that were taken into capitivity and saw their nation come to ruin … it is hard to watch, so don’t spend to much time watching, fight against the evil till the LORD does take you or the Lord returns … peace
novelator
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 9:01amWell, what are all of you “end times” folk going to do when you discover that the entire Revelation to John exists in defiance of the First Commandment which states, in part, that you shall make no representation of that which is in Heaven. Explain that one for me.
Explain how a humble teacher gives us a prayer that begins Our Father, as if we were all God’s issue and creation, suddenly by Gospel’s end has morphed into an arrogant Only Son.
Do you know anything of the Nicene Council?
Has any one of you done what Jesus advised you to do to find the Father? And what if someone did give up all they own to follow him? Would you listen to what he or she learned? Or would you blow them off? Do any one of you want to know the Father, Our Father, Jesus pointed to bad enough to give up all your material things to follow Jesus’s advice? Or are you just paying lip service to the Lord, God and one of his more brilliant children?
So, tell me how you know what’s best for the rest, ignorant and afraid as you are…
Report Post »black9897
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 9:30amWell, this that they were trying to pass is really not necessary. Because the constitution already protects every person. Even if it didn‘t it doesn’t matter. I don‘t need a piece of paper that tells me murder isn’t ok.
Report Post »Better Dead Than Red
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 9:31amAgreed with Novel.
None of you seem to understand what is true freedom.
Report Post »MONICNE
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 9:35amIt is always a great day in America when the Constitution is followed. But we do not need our taxes taken to try and implement unconstitutional legislation in the first place.
TEA
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 9:48am“We” happen to be against murder and consider abortion murder as would any “right” thinking person.
Yo: Better dead then red:
Report Post »Please share .. since you’re the only one with the info …
novelator
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 10:11am4truth2all,
I happen to be against abortion, too. I just don’t believe I have the “right” to impose that belief on others who may not see it my way yet. So, does that make me not a “right” thinking person? No. Just a Constitutionalist.
If you want a religious tyranny, you should be talking to God, not trying to impose your will on others. But I guess you have too many “right thoughts” standing between you and God to be bothered.
Report Post »Better Dead Than Red
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 10:27amTruth, I don’t believe in abortion and would never chose it as a form of birth control. But I am only responsible for my own actions.
Perhaps you want more rules and regulations when it fits your religious agenda.
Sound familiar?
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 10:45amTHOU SHALL NOT MURDER …say’s the LORD ….nothing standing in my way of my
Report Post »understanding!
That ought to be good enough , but then one considers that God is the creator of that life … and along comes you and others who say ; I don’t want what God created to exist to exist, and say that it is MY right to eliminate it.
One can do that, as you are indeed free to do so by the laws of this land, but they take second place to the laws of God who owns this land.
Some of us happen to care about the defenceless ,,, and some of us care about ourselves and “my rights.”
Concerning Revelation: the day of the Lord IS comming and it will be about HIS RIGHT … and that is “right” thinking even if you call it wrong, which concerns me not.
4truth2all
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 10:56amYo Better dead then red:
I have no shame in saying that I would/will be fine living under the rule of Christ.
Report Post »According to you’re thinking anybody can do as each desires to, as each have different desires, and who are you to tell me anything about anything…. is that you’re desire?
novelator
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 11:04am4Truth2All wrote: “THOU SHALL NOT MURDER …say’s the LORD ….nothing standing in my way of my
understanding!
That ought to be good enough , but then one considers that God is the creator of that life … and along comes you and others who say ; I don’t want what God created to exist to exist, and say that it is MY right to eliminate it.”
No one said we don’t want what God created to exist. Where did anyone say that? But yet, here you are, accusing us of saying that. Why do you make false accusations? Because you fear.
4Truth2All wrote: “One can do that, as you are indeed free to do so by the laws of this land, but they take second place to the laws of God who owns this land.”
The Lord, God gave us this land as well as a Divinely Inspired blueprint for Freedom and look how you want to use it to advance your particular agenda, to impose said agenda on everyone else. Why? In order to convince yourself. Why do you need convincing? Because you fear.
4Truth2All wrote: “Some of us happen to care about the defenceless ,,, and some of us care about ourselves and “my rights.”
Oh, I care about the defenseless. Are you trying to imply that respecting the rights of others, even when they’re radically different than our own, is selfish? According to whom? You? Why do you think you’re God in the flesh now? Because you fear.
You fear the freedom of others because you hold yourself up to be the model of right and virtue and view their differences
Report Post »novelator
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 11:15amLet me just finish my thought there:
4Truth2All: You fear the freedom of others because you hold yourself up to be the model of right and virtue and view their differences as a threat to your self belief.
Report Post »Better Dead Than Red
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 11:15amGovernment shall make no law establishing a religion.
I don’t need a 2,000 year old book to know that murder is wrong, either. Again, I would not choose it personally. I don‘t need the government’s assistance in making that decision. Again, this is up to each individual – NOT THE GOVERNMENT.
Report Post »VanceUppercut
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 11:32am@Halo9x
“It seems that it doesn’t matter what the majority wants anymore”
When what the majority wants is wrong, we call that “tyranny of the majority”. That’s why there are laws, to protects us from the changing whims of “the people”.
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 11:50amYo Novelator:
Report Post »I should have known better then address you’re statements. As you’re responce is one of self decapitation
I don’t have an “agenda” … I adhere to scripture which is the HIGHEST authority,
and ……. I ain’t running nowhere.
I make it my effort to fear the one who holds my eternal destiny in His hands, which means I don’t fear you, I fear for you …. would you now like to insult that … now wait … let me quick run and hide.
4truth2all
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 12:03pmYO better dead then red:
Government shall make no law establishing a religion
How many times has someone responded to you that that has nothing to do with removing God from our government and the guidence of scripture, 100′s? That only means the the government cannot establish a national religion that All MUST adhere to, such as in China where the true church has to mostly operate underground, because the government established a “religion”.
Report Post »Who told you murder is wrong?, and if someone else doesn’t think so the government has no right to tell them, right?
sWampy
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 1:26pmPeople were made fun of when they said that the unconstitutional ruling by the supreme court in Roe VS Wade would be used to destroy this nation, looks like they were right. Every church in this nation should have spend every dollar they have collected over the last 40 years to file a new suit every day in ever court in the land in a coordinated effort to make sure that abomination gets thrown out.
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 4:53pmWhy are there only 45 White Stars in the Blue background of the Oklahoma State Seal and not 50?
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 5:07pmAs for the article; the Government does not consider a person to be Human until it can pay taxes. That’s why the progressives are considering post birth abortions up to 2 years after birth. : (
Report Post »Teabunny
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 5:10pmthere are 46 stars…it is the 46th state. 45 little ones, and one big one.
Report Post »chips1
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 5:17pmThe big one is to honor Texas!!!
Report Post »Kafir-Islamsux
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 5:17pmThe 45 smaller stars, representing the 45 U.S. states that existed prior to Oklahoma’s statehood (the large star would be the 46th star in the seal, representing Oklahoma’s admission as the 46th state).
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 5:18pm@Teabunny
Report Post »Yes, I saw that. That’s why I specified “in the blue background”. Why not 50 Stars total?
The-Monk
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 5:21pm@Kafir-Islamsux
Report Post »Thanks. I thought we had more States by 1907. : )
kaydeebeau
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 8:34pmSo there are only 3 stars on the Tennessee state flag (a dual purpose – to represent the 3 distinct areas of Tennessee and to also represent that we are the 16 state – for leftists that translates to the original 13 + 3 = 16)
Report Post »dmar003
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 11:58pmI am pro choice. I belive that the decission it should be between the doctor and patient, and not some idiot congress person. The government should not have the right to dictate what a women dose whith her body.
Report Post »kaydeebeau
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 1:46am@ DMA…so whose choice do you advocate for? How is it that someone has the right to chose that the baby temporaily residing within a woman’s body has no right to life?
Except in the case of self defense, no one has the right to deprive another of the first right – life.
It would seem more prudent to make a better “choice” before one opens her legs to fully understand the results of that choice. Like keeping the legs closed – the only 100% fool-proof contraceptive besides an aspirin between the knees
Adoption is “choice”. Are there so many selfish, self-serving individuals that somehow the only “choice” is murder? What. you can’t hang in there for 36+ weeks? You are so self-absorbed?
Report Post »Teabunny
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 4:53pmso, if you believe prayer shouldn’t be in school, thats okay…but for us to believe human life has value from conception…is intolerant??? are you nuts?
Report Post »VastRightWingConspirator
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 5:26pmPersonhood? Why do we have to make up terms? It’s called human life and it begins at conception. Unfortnately, humanity never seems to begin for leftists.
Report Post »Salamander
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 6:24pmLook at this a little more carefully, they didn‘t decide that it wasn’t life, but that it wasn’t, yet, a person! This is really a thorny issue and the implications of deciding that personhood starts at conception had monumental implications! Can you imagine if our government decided to TAX embryos, or if you lose a pregancy, you are guilty of murder? I think one has to pass through gestation and birth, whether naturally or by section and take that first breath to gain the ‘status’ of a person! This is not to denigrate the status of a late-term loss, or even an early term one. But, I think to determine that a person arrives before they get to the station is not a good idea!
Report Post »portague
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 7:02pmsalamander
Report Post »your missing the point the person hood argument is happening. This argument is being used to justify killing. Some country use the person hood argument for after birth abortion. The people choosing the definition are allowing the killing of a child up to 3years old in the definition. The killing of elderly at some point and the termination of several types of disapality to qualify the individuals as no longer a person and can be terminated. The individual arguing this are using person hood as a new measure of life and excuse to kill.
Chet Hempstead
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 8:37pmNo, you can believe that fetuses are people, you just can’t force other people to act as if they believe it.
Report Post »Salamander
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 9:56pmThanks, PORTAGUE! I hadn’t realized the implications of this! Of course, they would have to start making ‘exceptions’ to extinguish the life of people they think should no have been born! I was thinking it was to STOP abortion, but granting premature ‘personhood’ is not the right way to go about that! I am anti-abortion; but sometimes it is necessary and I believe it is up to the parents and their doctor (and their minister if they are so-inclined) to make the tough decision. I am against granting tax-money to pay for such. If its just the convenience of an unplanned pregnancy, too bad–deal with it! Have the child, raise it or offer it for adoption, but don‘t kill it for ’your’ convenience! If its medically indicated, then have the ‘procedure’, but grieve for the loss–it is a death, but I don’t believe it is murder! If a fetus is killed by an assailant, it is ‘wrongful death’ but not murder as it is difficult to murder something that hasn‘t attained ’personhood’. In this case, however, if it was the intentional desctruction of a fetus by an assailant, it should be dealt with analogous to murder. As for killing children, adults and the elderly, for the convenience of society–bad idea! When you get into assisted fertility, it gets really difficult–too many successful implants and one needs ‘a reduction’ or we’d have octomoms all over the place–and the litter is often impaired. And, when embryos are destroyed, there is and end of life, but no
Report Post »texasbeta
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 12:43amYou are an idiot. You can pray in school. People pray every day in school. You can’t have organized prayer lead by the officials, as the method in which you pray condones one concept of a particular religion over another. Take for example, would you be cool with your kid’s school praying in the manner of Mormons? They recognize Jesus as the Savior. Right? What about if the school read the daily prayer from the Koran? Would you be cool with that? What about if they read the prayer but recognized within it that Jesus and God are two different people, not recognizing the Nicean Creed? You do realize half of you believe they are the same, half don’t, right? See the problem?
Report Post »With regards to this, it has NOTHING to do with you being intolerant because you believe a fertilized egg is a human being with all of the rights of a citizen from the moment of conception, OR even BEFORE conception as both Oklahoma and Arizona have tried to pass. You two think an unfertilized egg is a human being, with all of the Constitutional rights of a citizen…(wait, wouldn’t that make sex a sexual assault? Would that mean a woman can drive in the HOV…always?). These are two different things, a belief and a law. You do realize that if you make this a law that birth control becomes manslaughter right? Have you thought this out? Obviously not.
CptStubbing
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 2:06amFirst of all, the local school board should make up their rules about whether it wants to allow prayer of whatever kind in the classroom. It is a local issue and the Federal government, and even the state government need to stay out of it. If the teachers of the kids in my school want to pray before class, then they can go right ahead. If I have a problem with it, I will bring it up with my school, I don’t need some bureaucrat to deal with a simple issue.
BTW, an embryo is a human being and has nothing to do with “belief.” It is a scientific fact, life begins at conception. You can call a human a zygote, an embryo, a baby, an infant, a toddler, a teenager, or an adult. The stage the human being is in doesn’t matter.
Just because someone is a human being doesn’t mean they are a citizen. And just because you aren’t a citizen doesn’t mean you don’t have the right to your life. The human being who isn’t born, is not a citizen, but still should be given the chance to live.
Finally, are you really so retarded as to suggest unfertilized eggs and sperm are somehow human as well? And if you mean to bring up Arizona’s HB 2036 bill about not being able to get an abortion after 20 weeks, you are even more moronic than I already suspect. Almost all doctors count the “gestational age” from the first day of the last menstrual cycle. It doesn’t mean they are saying an egg is a human being. You can’t be that stupid. Can you?
Report Post »loggs14
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 4:51pmI maybe pro-life, but embryoes and personhood seems like a stretch…. Again the abortion issue is still a hot one for some. Especially those that make their living off it on both ends of the spectrum.
Like anything defining when life begins seems to be hard. I can see all the arguments. What I do not understand is why lefties seem to think that thing kicking from the inside, that has a heart beat, and fingers is not a human being. I am think that a third trimester fetus would be hard pressed to be described as not a living person. I can see a point that a small clump of cells may not meet the scientific standard either…..
Report Post »chips1
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 5:02pmI have a heart beat. I have fingers. I’m a person. In fact, I’m showing you one of them right now!!!
Report Post »jzs
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 5:15pmNot so sure I agree with your remarks about liberals, but I do agree that a zygote, which is a single cell, is not a human being.
Passing these bills would also make hormonal birth control illegal, since one effect is to prevent zygotes from attaching to the uterine wall; i.e. murder in the eyes of some.
Report Post »Tony
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 5:15pmIt doesn’t matter what I think about when the life of a unique human being begins but what the Creator of life, and everything else for that matter, says. And our creator speaks of knowing us before we were even in our mother’s wombs. Every life is precious to our creator who designed each person from the moment of conception giving each his or her own unique DNA and with a specific purpose in mind. And the creator pursues each person to establish a love relationship with that person so He can reveal Himself and His purposes. But He also gave each of us a free will and we must decide to either love Him or reject Him…
Report Post »Teabunny
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 5:52pmJZS…Leviticus becomes the guidestone…the health of the mother.
Report Post »MDKing
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 7:40pmOK, some of you folks are saying life begins at birth, others at conception. I believe it begins at forplay. Does this make me a loon, well this will really shock ya, I also after 4 boys, believe you should be able to abort them till age 18 when they leave the womb, My house. Just kidding folks.
Report Post »Chet Hempstead
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 8:40pmIt doesn’t have free will or a human mind, so it’s not a person yet. A fish has a heartbeat.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 9:05pmTeabunny
Report Post »Posted on May 1, 2012 at 5:52pm
JZS…Leviticus becomes the guidestone…the health of the mother.
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WE ARE NOT A THEOCRACY, THE BIBLE IS NOT A LAW BOOK ITS A COLLECTION OF MYTHS AND STORIES.
kaydeebeau
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 9:47pm@ MD… I like where you are going….I agree. The commitment needs to be there at foreplay. Good way to describe it.
Sadly, we have lost that focus. I want to scream when I see people who contend that “we just aren’t sure if we can commit to a life togetheer – while surrounded by a couple of kids.
Somehow we are supposed to believe that you can commit to your children without committing to the first principle of the relationship that produced those children?
Report Post »jzs
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 11:46pmTeabunny, I don’t understand your post, but Leviticus is not the place to go for your religious ideas in my opinion.
“If even then you remain hostile toward me and refuse to obey, I will inflict you with seven more disasters for your sins. I will release wild animals that will kill your children and destroy your cattle, so your numbers will dwindle and your roads will be deserted.” (Leviticus 26:21-22 NLT)
“A priest’s daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death.” (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)
Your welcome to your own ideas, but the God of Leviticus was a pretty nasty guy. He’s going to kill your children for what you do? He wants you to burn women who fornicate (although, interestingly, not the guy)?
If you worship the God of Leviticus then, well, you worship a despicable God.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 1:01am@jzs LOL. Great way to post random scriptures out of context. The God in Leviticus seems pretty just to me. God will ultimately not tolerate evil, injustice, wickedness, and unrighteousness. He is merciful though. I agree, fornicators and adulterers should be put to death. I call that pro-abortion. I’m all for a God who will dwindle down the numbers of a wicked, evil, degenerate, perverted, corrupt generation. Anything to keep them from spreading, and enlarging themselves. Hey, and it looks like whor3mongers (the guys) will earn eternal damnation, “For this ye know, that no whor3monger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.” Imagine that, a God that doesn’t want a society to condone or turn a blind eye to a harlot, but to resist and detest such actions. A God who is concerned about a society that allows women to use their bodies as objects, and their personal lives to destroy the lives of men and their families. The whole concept of God in the Bible is based on the notion that he is just, good and all knowing. That means that anything we do contrary to his will, is unjust, not good and ignorance. Here is a God that demands perfect obedience to all that is just, good and holy. If you’re going to describe God, or talk about him, you can’t go outside of what the Bible says. Since when do you read a book, and insert your own little stories, characteristics and conclusions?
Report Post »jzs
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 12:37pmcolt1860, do you really think people who have sex outside marriage should be burned to death? Do you realize that might be 2/3 of the world’s population? You want them burned to death?
And why is it only the female gets burned to death. Would it be okay instead, to, say, stab them to death? I take it you would take it upon yourself to do the burning or stabbing?
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 12:38pmYo Colt1860
A great way to post the truth of scripture and the God that “wrote” it, and HIS standard of righteousness.
Report Post »I also would take this moment to say I appreciate you‘re posts of the writings of our founding fathers and those who’s shoulders we stand apon
I keep hoping that some will see what they do not … peace
4truth2all
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 1:15pmYo JZS:
I certainly do not wish to speak for “Colt”. You miss the point …it is not why women or stabbing or who does the killing. What you speak to are mute issues. This is an issue of the perfect holiness and righteousness of God, and His burning hatred of sin, that we enjoy, which even you acknowledge in you’re comment of the 2/3′s. He has the right to do as He pleases and is just and justified in doing so, even when “we” don’t quite see it that way … it’s called trusting in Him = faith.
I do believe that Revelation speaks to 1/3 of mankind being killed and 1/4 of those remaining after the 1/3 and this time being so terrible as has NEVER been!
Report Post »If I were you, I would concern myself about this God who’s standerds you CANNOT meet, and take the escape route … just follow the signs to Jesus … only a blind man could miss them …
jzs
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 10:17pm4truth2all, wait a minute. So God created human in such a way that they were tempted to sin. That was was an option; he could have created humans such that they were not tempted to sin – he’s God after all. And creating humans that were tempted and, being omniscient, knew that some would sin, all would really to some degree or another. And having created these humans, he hates the sins the commit? That doesn’t even make sense. That’s more like a one of the Greek Gods: capricious, and invested with all of humankind’s worst emotions himself, except in God-like proportions.
No, I didn’t miss the point. Leviticus gives a crime (an unmarried woman having sex) and the punishment (being killed in the most horrific way by fire). There’s no context needed: the crime is described and the punishment for the crime is given. If you believe God wants us to burn people at the stake for sins that most of the World commits, well, that’s your “Christian” belief. Fine.
Now I don’t recall Jesus calling for death by burning people at the stake.
No, the morality in the Bible isn’t internally consistant as Thomas Jefferson pointed out many times. I’m on the Jesus side of things, but if you think God is telling you to burn or stone people, go for it.
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 8:30amYo JZS:
Report Post »Yes JZS, God created people with a FREE WILL, and He knew that they would chose to turn to it and in doing so turn from Him; and it cost Him is son! How would you like it if EVERYONE abandoned you. I sometime feel bad for you because of all those that attack you on this site. However, it is the things YOU say that cause this to be. I don’t know about you but I want “people” hanging with me that want too, not that I force too, because I give them no choice. ( free will ) God shows you kindness and you condemn Him for it.
You do miss the point (the truth), because you repeat the same lack of understanding.
Does the pot tell the potter what to do … this is scripture … almost everything I say is found in scripture, I just don’t pound people with it. You tell God as a little creation of His, how things should be.
You and many like you cannot let God be God, because you think he is wrong/evil, you need to correct Him !
My “christian” belief is solely based on scripture , and that with Jesus saying of himself …“I and the Father are one”, and … if you see me you also see the Father, again “I only do what I see the Father doing” So Jesus say’s a loud AMEN to everything in scripture, as He is in COMPLETE agreement with it.
cont.
4truth2all
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 9:03amJzs:
In you’re last paragraph you twist and throw … why do you do that?
In all due respect to Thomas Jefferson, if indeed he did say that , he is not my teacher of scripture and I don’t take a back seat to him concerning this.
You say that you are on the “Jesus side of things”, yet you do not “see” / understand what I say, because if you “saw” you would “understand” which means that you would accept and stand in agreement. Not because I say it, but because scripture and the Holy Spirit testify to it’s truth (this is not an arrogant statement on my part).
Neither I nor Colt are interested in lighting a tourch and throwing a pouch full of stones over our shoulders, and you know this.
Why do you think I “talk” to you JZS ? Cause I like a “good arguement”? Maybe a good conversation?
Nay I say … I do this because I want to …” Rescue those being led away to death; hold back those staggering toward slaughter” … Proverbs 24:11
The world is being herded and chooses to ignore the truth. This is what is taking place right know … this is way over Dem vs. Rep. or conservatives vs. liberal.
Jesus offers His hand to pull those out of the line whom will take it. Is it the fault of God if they do not take the hand of His Son, who was “slaughtered” for them, even calling Him evil for trying to do so.
Report Post »If you stand with Jesus you stand with God, if you do not stand with God you have not taken the hand of Jesus.
“It is by grace a person is saved”
Nevermind
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 4:50pmbhelmet
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 4:39pm
I can think of plent of “R”’s and “D”’s to be impeached, but I bet you ONLY support the ones with the “R”.
That is a negative. I am a registered independent and am truly independent. I think both sides are full of crap and always will be and really dont think impeachemnt shoudl be used unless it is an extreme case. I was making fun of you guys on here , anytime Obama does soemthing you all dotn like the ipeachment word is thrown about. Now that a law was truly struck down as unconstitutional i was seeing if anyone would call for impeachment. To my surprise ( sarcasm) noone has.
Report Post »team1blazer
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 4:50pmLife is cheap because we’ve made it cheap. We’ve allowed the left to take God out of our schools, out of the public and now they are trying to take God out of the church! (through hate speach laws). If we don’t give God the authority over our lives (and the lives of the unborn), God WILL turn his back on us. We’ve allowed this to occur.
Report Post »GoodStuff
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 4:48pmWhen the DNA of the mother and father combine, you have life.
Report Post »TheBigMike
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 4:45pmNot a lot of details here, but did the judge cite exactly which Article of the Constitution this law violates? And why? And why he claimed “[the] United States Supreme Court … [is] the final arbiter of the United States Constitution”? “Marbury v Madison”? The SCOTUS is the final arbiter because the SCOTUS says it is? He‘s like a kid claiming everything he doesn’t like is “un-Constitutional.”
Report Post »Zwolle
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 1:10pm@THEBIGMIKE
Amen!! Standing-ovation!!
Report Post »Ghandi was a Republican
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 4:40pmIf it’s not a person, what is it? A bunny? a cat? A 99%er?
Report Post »Chet Hempstead
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 8:41pmAt conception, it’s a blob.
Report Post »South Philly Boy
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 4:37pmBull
Report Post »grimmy
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 4:24pmBefore to many of you go off the deep end, remember, life and “personhood” are two different things. Semantics maybe,but to argue when life begins,stick with the word life, not some made up term such as personhood. The arguement should always be, “life” begins,no personhood begins,or humanhood,sheesh,stay focused people, and use some bloody common sense………
Report Post »Teabunny
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 4:47pmIsaiah 44:2
Thus saith the Lord that made and formed thee, thy helper from the womb: Fear not, O my servant Jacob, and thou most righteous whom I have chosen.
Isaiah 49:5
And now saith the Lord, that formed me from the womb to be his servant, that I may bring back Jacob unto him, and Israel will not be gathered together: and I am glorified in the eyes of the Lord, and my God is made my strength.
Jeremiah 1:5
Before I formed thee in the bowels of thy mother, I knew thee: and before thou camest forth out of the womb, I sanctified thee, and made thee a prophet unto the nations.
Personhood begins at conception.
Report Post »Teabunny
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 4:50pmIts funny…but if we say being gay is a sin…we are intolerant…yet, when it comes to us christians wanting a person to be a person from the moment life begins…the left cannot be tolerant of our beliefs…especially when we would rather err on the side of defending human life.
WHY THE INTOLERANCE? WHY THE HATRED? YOU ARE DISCRIMINATING AGAINST OUR RIGHT TO BELIEVE IN GOD! THAT IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL! (isn’t that the argument made against us continually? why is it nor valid in reverse?)
Report Post »SgtB
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 4:51pmCommon sense dictates that we should follow nature‘s laws and nature’s laws have 3 clearly defined moments in the development of a human being. Those are birth, conception, and implantation. If you define life beginning at birth, then you are okay with calling the abortion of an 8.5 month old “fetus”, a lawful act. If you define life as beginning at conception, then you have to outlaw the birth control pill and all in vitro fertilization techniques. If you define human life as beginning at implantation, when a fertilized egg is united with the mother’s uteran wall, then you can still allow plenty of room for contraception methods like “the pill” and even emergency contraception to prevent impregnation after a rape. Also, I should impress upon you all the simple fact that not every fertilized egg will implant and implantation is a necessary and not guaranteed step in the development of human being.
Implantation should be the moment when we decide that a human has the right to life. However, I am not for scientific research growing embryos in petri dishes or incubators for scientific research. In fact, I think that the only excusable reason to fertilize human eggs outside of the natural way of doing so involving a man and a woman, is in the case that one of the parents is for all intents and purposes incapable of having a child by any other means, and even then I would prefer they adopt.
Report Post »grimmy
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 9:10am@Teabunny.
Report Post »What did i say, once again you didnt use your head,if you want to get a point across, as in when “life” begins,dont use made up words to describe “life”,when argueing your point.You make your statement no different than the climate change/global warming idiots……….I personally do not care what you do, as long as i dont pay for it.The idea that abortion, legal or not, should be paid for by someone other than the person having it, is absurd….
From Virginia
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 4:17pmThe Constitution also says that people have a right to LIFE along with liberty and pursuit of happiness.
Report Post »howie0
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 6:47pmUM that would be the Declaration of Independence.
Report Post »chefboyardee
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 8:14pmDon’t feel bad… I made the same mistake, but the Declaration of Independence is the basis for our country’s freedom
Report Post »CptStubbing
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 11:16amYeah, the Constitution says, “nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”
Then we have Section 5 of the Amendment stating, “The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.”
Of course, The Supreme Court States in Roe v. Wade, 410, U.S. 113, 158, “All this, together with our observation, supra, that throughout the major portion of the 19th century prevailing legal abortion practices were far freer than they are today, persuades us that the word ‘person,’ as used in the Fourteenth Amendment, does not include the unborn”
That being said, “person” cannot be defined by the Supreme Court. It’s Congresses job, per the 5th Section of the 14th Amendment.
Congress doesn’t want the job though, because the political parties use Abortion as their main dividing point and if they didn’t have abortion to fight over they might have to be elected on some kind of actual policy, as opposed to trying to figure out how pro-life or pro-choice they are.
I personally agree with SGTB, implantation should be the defining factor. It would be the simplest law to write, and would still allow for all the contraception you want.
Report Post »armyofnibiru
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 2:01pmthe declaration tells us our rights,the constitution defines to the states and the feds the rights where givin by our maker and SHALL NOT be infrindged. they are two parts of the same belief of the founders idea of freedom.a fertlized egg in a test tube is not a person i do believe,but a fertilized egg attacht to uterin wall is. and is NOT part of a womens body but completely dependent on her.those who disagree,argue wtht the creator not me.the founders put life there first because without it all other rights don’t mean nothing; in ct a man(dirtbag)murdered a pregnant women and was convicted of double homicide,against the wishes of the pro-abort crowd and aclu,and planned parenthood which was created to rid this country of blacks and jews by nazi suporters of there day.re;woody wilson ,margret zanger and the kkk.
Report Post »caleejr
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 4:16pmTry to kill a fertilized egg of a Bald Eagle….
Report Post »why is it an EAGLE while in the egg, but a fertilized egg of a human isn’t a human until it is born?
The-Monk
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 4:51pm@caleejr
Because Bald Eagles are on the endangered species list and Humans are not….. YET !
Have you ever read what’s written on the Georgia Guidestones?
Report Post »http://www.radioliberty.com/stones.htm
ChiefGeorge
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 4:54pmYea, you can’t even touch those eggs or you are going fast track to jail.
Report Post »chips1
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 4:58pmBecause Liberals have feathers up their azz’s. Cheep, cheep!!!
Report Post »E_Fowler
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 6:03pmBecause it serves their purpose. Things don’t have to make logical sense, as long as it serves their purpose.
Report Post »jaylew
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 11:41pmYou will notice Caleejr……that your simple….totally germane and biologically near perfect query has not been responded to by anyone coming from the rabid pro choice part of that “keep your hands off my uterus” camp. Because you have successfully and totally posited a point that has NO possible consistent answer from them.
But I will as I always do….add my 2 cents as to why you have not heard in your post from them……the more snarling pro abortion sector of our at times dysfunctional society….and it is because deep down they hate human beings. They love Snail Darters and certain Owls and Dolphins and Whales and Tigers and every other form of life on this planet…..except their own. It‘s called self loathing at it’s apex. Psychiatry refers to it in several other terms….none of them desirable and more than few border on abject insanity.
Report Post »Redwood Elf
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 10:54amBecause liberal logic is anything but logical. They worship evolution, but think that Humanity couldn’t possibly have evolved to fill any important role (Like, say, protecting the rest of the planet from giant meteor strikes, for example)
Remember, these are the goons who wish they could be reincarnated as a deadly virus that would wipe out humanity. In other words, hypocritical fools.
Report Post »jaylew
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 2:54amHere we are Caleejr…..days later and conveniently because they have all “moved on” by now…..and still no comment or response to your cogent question and posit regarding the fertilized eagle egg. Of course we all know why there is no palpable response to your extremely accurate “when is a human less valuable than an eagle?” analogy …especially from the skull piercing abortionist crowd who thinks a 7 month old human fetus is not a human at all. Oh how silent the pathetically guilty estrogen slaves really are….they hate themselves so much that even talking about the federal fish and wildlife laws regarding fertilized eagle eggs….drives them into a complete and total human silence. What a bunch of phonies…..and I dare say that most of the most vocal females in this regard….are so ugly and unattractive…much like the baby eaglets they worship…..that in the general scheme of things…perhaps it is best indeed that they do not procreate at all….the world is already ugly enough without any more of them….. Oh you stupid and foolish women who lay claim to your own uterus and the contents thereof…..as if 99.9 percent of the time you did not have complete and utter control of what you let land and swim and squiggle all about and around your own fallopian tubes. At least the eagle‘s screech is defined by it’s place in the animal kingdom…..I see Hillary Clinton as I type this now….and I think man ‘o man you are one dumb b!tch….
Report Post »jaylew
Posted on May 6, 2012 at 9:21pmIt is now a full 5 days Caleejr…and not ONE…not one single pro-slice and dice vegematic abortion apologist has even tried to rebut your query…or none of my subsequent supporting statements….you know why…and I know why…and most importantly THEY know why there has been no follow up comments by any of “THEM”……it is because there is no sound or cogent argument against your posit or my supporting statements. And so they have all moved on elsewhere….to punch at the windmills….and fuss with folks who might be a little bit less communicative…..
This is merely one little post and a couple little supporting comments to that post….but it is definitely a victory for the fertilized human egg. We will take every victory in this arena as it comes. In fact out of deference to the fertilized human egg…I may come back here and re-post often…..I may even do it for the next 9 months. Come on now pro fetal skull piercing and vacuuming its contents proponents….you have never been quite so silent before…..what about the fertilized eagle egg question has made you so mum???? Come on ladies….explain why your uterus and an eagle egg are not a fair comparison in the world of science and biology? Caleejr and I have not even quoted a single scripture and yet you all are dead silent. Bring it. Please do….
Report Post »bhelmet
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 4:10pmI remember back in the day – you know about 15 years ago – when life was defined as “the division of cells”. Guess that became too inconvenient.
Report Post »portague
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 4:24pmThey lost the argument on life and human scientifically. The new model is defining person hood wich if defined there way would allow killing the child up to 2 or 3 years old under some of there definitions. This would also allow the killing of elderly and some handicap types as well.
Report Post »Git-R-Done
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 4:42pmDon’t forget that scientific evidence is showing how unborn babies even at early stages have a lot of the same vital organs as human beings.
The heartbeat begins around the 21st day of pregnancy.
Report Post »Teabunny
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 5:06pmHey done…so are you saying prior to heartbeat, there is no life? just a collection of cells? no specific diagram or intelligent plan to form a specific type of being? no decision has been made as to hair color? or eye color? or number of limbs? really? The planned being is a complete and perfect plan. it just takes time to manifest. but from the very beginning…it is finished, just a matter of getting to the end. It is decided whether they will have diabetes, or a birth defect, or if they will be lucky and blessed enough to be whole and healthy. All this is already decided…at conception.
Report Post »chips1
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 5:15pmScience said that they found life in space because they found single cells. Yet on Earth, a large group of cells shows Obama has no life.
Report Post »Teabunny
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 6:08pmBecause the liberals are not anti-life…just anti-human life. have you seen all the programs to save trees, and fish, and grasshopper, and beetles…but babies…nope, they are just cells. why love life so much…just not human life….WHY?
Luke 10: 19: “Behold, I give you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you.”
Romans 8:1: “There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.”
Philippians 2:9,10: “Therefore God has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee shall bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth.”
1 John 3:8: “He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil.”
(because the ideology they follow, lacks a submission to God)
(BUT I KNOW HOW IT ENDS!)
Isaiah 14:12: “How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son on the morning! How you are cut down to the ground. You who weakened the nations!”
Report Post »Nevermind
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 4:06pmImpeach!!!!!!!!!!
Oh thats right, only when there is a D next to the name do you call for impeachment .
Report Post »bhelmet
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 4:39pmI can think of plent of “R”’s and “D”’s to be impeached, but I bet you ONLY support the ones with the “R”.
Report Post »Daniel
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 4:47pmOh you mean like Richard Nixon. You’re right, there is a “d” at the end of Richard. The colonel at the Battle of the Bulge has a perfect comment. NUTS.
Report Post »Jenny Lind
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 4:05pmI have a lot to say about this whole subject, but I an going to keep it short. It is to bad people are trying to change a law the won’t be able to, instead of trying to teach and change hearts and minds.
Report Post »Salamander
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 10:23pmNice post, Jenny! Really nice post! Right on point, and it says a lot for how ‘we’ go about trying to do many things that are causing us problems today!
Report Post »lassiegirldawn
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 3:53pmWhy are some comments working today and others not?
Report Post »Salamander
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 10:24pmI think they are just slow, for review! Be patient! Check later!
Report Post »Teabunny
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 3:52pmsorry gang..kept getting error messages.
Report Post »EqualJustice
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 4:03pmI do believe this site is being attacked again…
Report Post »wdittgasn
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 4:55pmI am having trouble with this site as well…..
Report Post »Teabunny
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 3:45pmany godly person knows that a fertilized human egg is human being, a living human being. so why can’t they declare it such? because both sides have invested in reproductive science, which created frozen embryos, and if they declared what is right, these companies would then be guilty of false imprisonment…and that would not be good for the bottom line. What was it Jesus said the love of money is the root of all evil. or you cannot serve 2 masters…
Report Post »jmcclena
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 3:45pmGood. Abortion should be safe, legal, and rare for all women.
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 4:10pm1 million per year in the U.S rare?
Report Post »stage9
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 4:16pmSince when is abortion safe? It murders babies!
Report Post »LondoMollari
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 4:43pmWell, it’s not. Some places will try and perform abortions even when there is nothing to abort.
Abortion has not only become a child-killing business but one of crony capitalism.
It’s sick.
Report Post »ChiefGeorge
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 4:57pmMaybe it shouldn’t be safe since your killing another. Isn‘t it like giving special protections devices to a killer like a bullet proof vest so he can rampage longer than he normally would when the cops can’t take em down.
Report Post »sta
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 6:43pmIt’s only safe for the mother. Very few babies come out alive and if the President had his way, those babies would be left to die anyway.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 10:30amAll these same government tea baggers lookng for the government to have a space in the doctor’s exam room to make sure women act like the conservatives demand they act like.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 3:41pmI will be quite blunt on this matter, I am pro life and see the Oklahoma court handled this matter the only way they could legally – and failing to take a morally correct stance in the matter of what is right – in following the matter of the US Supreme Court case they sighted; so the next step is to take it all the way to the top and challenge it there as well; at the same time work to gather the signatures to let the Oklahoma voters be heard.
Report Post »Teabunny
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 3:40pmAnyone who is a godly person, will tell you, an embryo is a human. However, they cannot declare it such…because, both sides have invested in reproductive technology…which then began to freeze embryos….would now be liable for false imprisonment. That would not do their bottom line well…so they cannot rule what is godly, because of their prior ungodly investments…in the name of a profit. They had to choose betwenn money and God. What did Jesus say about serving 2 masters?
Report Post »Razlord
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 3:40pmtold all you were nothing but sheeple…
Report Post »lassiegirldawn
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 3:36pmWe’ll save a fish but not a baby.
Report Post »LondoMollari
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 5:06pmOr a snail.
Human life is expendable to the pro-aborts under the false guise of “choice”.
Smokers and salt-eaters can tell you call about IT’S MY BODY, MY CHOICE.
Report Post »Redwood Elf
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 10:56amNot just SAVE a fish, but they would kill people to save that fish.
Report Post »VanceUppercut
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 11:39am@lassiegirldawn
That’s just it, an embryo is not a baby.
Report Post »Redwood Elf
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 6:26pm@VanceUC: The next time a woman gives birth to a toaster or microwave oven, let us know and you may possibly be able to convince someone of that.
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