On One-Year Anniversary of Fogel Family Murders, Politicians Vow to Build More Jewish Settlements
- Posted on February 29, 2012 at 6:56pm by
Sharona Schwartz
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There’s a famous Hebrew song that goes: “Mishenichnas Adar marbim be-simcha,” that is, “When the month of Adar arrives, joy is abundant.” For the town of Itamar in the biblical region of Samaria (the northern West Bank), things didn’t turn out that way last Adar. On this date last year – the 6th of Adar per the Jewish lunar calendar — two Palestinian teenagers from a nearby village broke through the town’s fence, entered the home of the Fogel family and proceeded to stab to death parents Ruti and Ehud and three of their children – Yoav, 11, Elad, 4 and three-month-old Hadas whose throat was slashed while she was in her crib.
More than 1,000 gathered to pay their respects to the murdered family Wednesday including politicians, rabbis, family and friends. Some who attended shared their impressions with The Blaze. Transportation Minister Yisrael Katz who spoke at the ceremony said [Hebrew link]:
“That today is a rainy day perhaps symbolizes more than anything the double meaning of this day, the significance that rain is like tears and is also a blessing.”
The terrorists who carried out the attack are cousins Amjad and Hakim Awad, who then were 19 and 18-years-old, now serving five life sentences. They told investigators they carried out their attacks on a whim – deciding only two days earlier to join the ranks of terrorists with innocent blood on their hands.
But today was a day to remember the victims.
Those paying respects gathered around the Fogel home where a scribe wrote the last letters of a Torah-scroll on special parchment in memory of the family.
Photo from Arutz 7
From there, a procession led the Torah scroll to “Mishkad Ehud,” or the “House of Ehud,” the new religious seminary (yeshiva) building dedicated today in the Fogel father’s memory. Ehud – known as Udi to his friends – was a rabbi who taught at the Itamar yeshiva, a making the building’s naming a fitting tribute.
The new Yeshiva in Itamar named after Ehud Fogel (photo from Ynet)
The Torah was placed in the sanctuary’s holiest spot, the Aron Kodesh (Holy Ark) facing Jerusalem after a celebration for the yeshiva’s dedication that included dancing.
Photo from Ynet
In his speech, Speaker of the Knesset Reuven Rivlin called on the government to allow more building in Judea and Samaria settlements. He said:
“We must build the Land of Israel in its entirety, every day.”
Transportation Minister Katz echoed that sentiment:
“I commit to you that many Itamars are yet to be established here in Samaria, in Binyamin, in Judea, and in all parts of the Land of Israel and that’s the real answer, not by convincing because we can’t convince them, rather by doing.”
Frank Mecklenburg, a freelance journalist who lives in a nearby settlement and visits Itamar frequently shared his feelings with The Blaze:
“It is a time of mixed emotions. There is still much sorrow for the Yartzeit (anniversary of the date of passing) and the joy of dedicating a new Yeshiva building and Torah Scroll. The Israeli government has dampened the occasion by granting permission for villagers from the Arab village of Arwata to enter Itamar to care for some olive trees. This is the same village that sent the murderers of the Fogel family.”
And on Wednesday night Glenn Beck spoke about the Fogel family murder one year later:
Udi and Ruth Fogel were among those forced to leave their homes in the Gush Katif settlements in 2005 when the Israeli government under then Prime Minister Ariel Sharon decided to unilaterally withdraw from Gaza. They moved to a trailer neighborhood in Ariel, the largest Israeli settlement in Samaria, and from there they moved to Itamar.
Amir Yosman moved his family to Itamar as an act of solidarity after the murders and now works at the yeshiva. He explains that the building’s tent shape is meant to evoke the memory of the biblical patriarch Abraham who welcomed guests into his tent and was renowned for his hospitality. Yosman tells The Blaze:
“People always say settlers are an ‘obstacle to peace.’ We wanted to show a symbol of peace and hospitality.”
One cannot imagine – or doesn’t want to imagine – what’s in the heart of surviving children Tamar, 13, Roi, 8 and Yishai, 3, now one year without mother, father and their three siblings. What it’s like to be back at the place they used to call home, the place marred by a horrific crime. It was Tamar who entered the house and discovered the bloody scene that fateful Friday night. They now live with their grandparents in Jerusalem.
Leah Goldsmith, the wife of Itamar Mayor Moshe Goldsmith and a neighbor of the Fogels, described the one year milestone as an emotional experience but also a time for spiritual reflection. She tells The Blaze:
“There are three aspects of holiness: the holiness of time – a full circle of one year has passed… the holiness of place – the Fogels after being thrown out of their home in Gush Katif, they picked the heart of the land of Israel as their home because they wanted to be connected with the core of our Jewish identity and the holiness of people … the people of Israel have been through terrible times and our enemies are making a concerted effort to erase us, but they can’t do that.”
And late Wednesday (Israel time), Ynet reported that at least 20 babies have been named after the Fogel family members in the past year, a small gesture that though they may be gone, their names live on. More photos and video can be seen at Arutz 7′s Hebrew website.
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BlazeYa
Posted on March 1, 2012 at 6:08amGOD Bless Palestine and the Jews and the Muslims and the Christians we should all live in Peace and Harmony
Report Post »Baikonur
Posted on March 1, 2012 at 12:12pmAmen
Report Post »Awakening Day
Posted on March 2, 2012 at 1:20amOne year later after 9 Afghan boys where Murdered collecting firewood. We still ignore THAT tragedy and fail to realized that the families of those boys loved them as much as the family is loved in Israel. God loves those boys just as much as he loves the Jewish Children. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/03/world/asia/03afghan.html Israel consisted of 12 tribes. Not Just Jews. Mormons believe that anyone who accepts the Gospel is of the house of Israel. God ultimately defends Israel and we should stop sacrificing our best boys and men to the middle east trouble. If you love the state of Israel pay your tithes and offerings to them so you get credit in heaven. You get no browny points in heaven if the Government is paying welfare to them. Stop all foreign aid (welfare) to all countries. Our Government gives 7 times more money to the enemies of Israel then to Israel. If we cut them all off including Israel. Israel will have more strength. And again if you love them donate. stop this tax theft of the government PLEASE!
Report Post »majasdad
Posted on March 2, 2012 at 6:22pmWell said!
Report Post »neverending
Posted on March 1, 2012 at 12:48amSo hard to believe it has been one year since this horrible tragedy happened. A year has passed but the pain and heartbreak is just as though it was yesterday. I will never forget the day I heard the news – I was totally overcome with emotion.
Report Post »Baikonur
Posted on February 29, 2012 at 9:01pm@sablegsd
Posted on February 29, 2012 at 8:35pm
‘How can you negotiate with inbred sub humans that vow to wipe the country of Israel off the map and kill every Jew? Don’t you believe the koranimals when they say these things? Don’t their actions prove that is exactly what they plan to do’
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I don‘t think Arabs are ’inbred sub humans.’ I am a Jew and I married a Lebanese-American, and his Sunni Lebanese family are extraordinarily educated, proper, successful, decent human beings. They are not ‘koranimals’ and they have no desire to murder anyone anywhere. They are actually very much like Jews, with their focus on medical, engineering and legal professions for all the children in the family and immaculate housekeeping. Plus, of course, lebanese food is the best in the whole world.
My first manager when I started my career was a Christian Lebanese man, and again–a lovely human being. An Arab.
I live in Western Europe now, and there are many North African (Algerian and Tunisian) Muslims here. I won’t lie to you–they are not lovers of Israel. They have huge problems with the current situation. But they don’t hate Jews as human beings and they do not want to murder them all.
You should meet some Arabs and Muslims in general. You would be surprised how normal and human they are :).
Report Post »eric55
Posted on March 1, 2012 at 1:04amYour a Jew who married an arab?! you sir are an inbred
Report Post »SoNick
Posted on March 1, 2012 at 8:34pm@ERIC55
And you, Sir (if Eric is your name), are an idiot, or at the very least an illiterate. First of all, had you bothered to read Baikonur’s post, you would have realized she is a woman (you addressed her as “Sir”. I also fail to see how marrying someone from a different ethnicity makes you an “inbred”. Please put on your thinking cap before you share your thoughts with the world.
@Baikonur
Report Post »I’m curious about your screen name. Were you born in Kazakhstan? I have a friend who’s actually in Baikonur right now.
Baikonur
Posted on March 2, 2012 at 3:11pm@SoNick
Report Post »Posted on March 1, 2012 at 8:34pm
‘ I’m curious about your screen name. Were you born in Kazakhstan?’
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My screen name reflects my greatest passion–space exploration. I am not from Kazakhstan, I am from Odessa. But I did meet Valentina Tereshkova when I was three. :) I moved to America as a child. Isaac Azimov and Phillip K. Dick are my favorite authors. Hence–Baikonur–the symbol of exploration and going where no one has gone before :).
majasdad
Posted on March 2, 2012 at 6:37pm@Baikonur
Report Post »Hi Baikonur, I enjoyed reading your post. I was born in Beirut, Lebanon, and two of my “Godparents” are Palestinian, the one Christian and the other Muslim. In the early 70s I lived as a small kid in pre-Khomeini Iran. And I’ll always remember everyday Iranians being among the most generous, warm, and hospitable people around. Like you, I also enjoy trying to give a more nuanced account of the Middle East to do my part to counteract the misleading image conveyed by The Blaze and countless other media outlets. Thanks for a lot of good posts, and keep up the good work!
Baikonur
Posted on February 29, 2012 at 8:20pm@chameleonx
Posted on February 29, 2012 at 7:51pm
As for ‘why can’t Jews make a homeland some place else’–my Mom, who is a fierce supporter of all things Jewish, thinks it would be best if we just moved the entire Jewish population of Israel to one of the Dakota’s, where they will be safe and there is plenty of land. :) I don’t know if I agree, but regardless, it is a moot point–Israel is not going anywhere.
Report Post »Baikonur
Posted on February 29, 2012 at 8:26pmSorry, Chameleonx, I meant to reply to your post below, but this somehow ended up as a disconnected posting.
Report Post »mcmeador
Posted on February 29, 2012 at 8:03pmWow, that was a year ago?
Report Post »suz
Posted on February 29, 2012 at 7:56pmthis is the backbone of the hebrew tribe.
makes me proud.
Report Post »islamhater
Posted on February 29, 2012 at 8:19pmThere has never been a plan for peace in Isreal. Isreal was formed just to pi$$ off the muslems to start ww3. This has been plan’ed for a very long time.Country’s have to barrow money to run their war machines. Certain people make alot off funding a country’s war effort. Do some research who funded ww1 and ww2 might find it‘s the same family’s that profit from these war’s. The same family‘s fund’ed all side’s of ww2. Can you say NWO. This doesn‘t happen over night this kind of thing take’s years of planning maybe decades or century’s… Do some home work WAKE UP!!!
Report Post »saraand
Posted on February 29, 2012 at 8:40pmTouches my heart
Report Post »Special thanks to Beck
B4REALITY
Posted on February 29, 2012 at 10:38pmMay God hold Israel and America close, protecting them and their freedom. The pitiful humans that killed, mercilessly, will find Gods fury, of that I’m sure!
Oddly though, rather than taking responsibility, or being even somewhat humble, there are individuals blogging herein that are so busy defending they can’t even see the evil these murders were. You can not ever say, murdering children is okay, you can never say murder civilians was intentional. People get caught in the cross – but Israel always good in our eyes. Period. While I admittedly have never known an Arab well, there’s been almost no effort from that community to become known either. They hide in their mosque‘s and they don’t let light in – this is creepy. America’s never been a bad host to them…and they’ve not been gracious guests.
Report Post »Master_and_Commander
Posted on February 29, 2012 at 7:53pmPEOPLE! LISTEN UP! THIS STORY IS IRRELEVANT RIGHT NOW, HERE’S WHAT IS IMPORTANT!
This Blunt Amendment is a SCAM, a distraction from the real Conservative bill that Jim DeMint tried to put forward, which would have stopped both the mandate AND Obamacare. But he’s being blocked by the Rhino Republican Mitch McConnell. He hates DeMint personally and politically, so he’s keeping him from putting the bill forward which would press Democrats right now on Obamacare and the Contraception Mandate.
What the Blunt Amendment essentially does is give the Catholic Democrats an excuse to vote for it, knowing it won’t pass, so they can go back to their Catholic home states and say ”look, I tried but the bill failed!”
McConnell and the GOP are blowing a real chance to expose the Democrats, and I have no idea why other than perhaps they were bribed or threatened by the Dems. Either way the Tea Party just lost a huge chance to expose the Dems and have a better shot at retaking the Senate come next election. Check it out from Redstate:
http://www.redstate.com/erick/2012/02/29/the-senate-gops-strategy-to-lose/
Report Post »Master_and_Commander
Posted on February 29, 2012 at 7:56pmmy apologies, I posted on the wrong story by accident. But its important anyways, so check it out
Report Post »Master_and_Commander
Posted on February 29, 2012 at 8:02pmsorry if you got offended by this, it was an accident, meant to post this comment on the story about Mitt Romney. Go check it out there
I do pray for the Fogel family too, but I have concerns about the Israeli officials so boldly announcing something like this, I just pray there isn’t a repeat family slaughter in response to this…
Report Post »right_thinking_mama
Posted on February 29, 2012 at 7:46pmGod bless you, Fogel family. We must NEVER forget this story, and countless others like it. What kind of evil monster could do such a thing? They are evil through and through. Don’t forget the Fogel family, don’t forget 9/11, don’t forget Danny Pearl, don’t forget the Christians in Africa who are being slaughtered daily.
These monsters celebrate in the street when they kill innocent men, women and children. They slit a 3 month old baby’s throat!!! You cannot reason with them. You could give them all the land in Israel, and they would likely follow the Jews to wherever they went to terrorize them some more. This isn’t about settlements, this is about the evil in their hearts. They hate freedom and anyone who doesn’t worship Allah. They usually even hate their own women and daughters. We can’t change them.
Report Post »WalkTheTalk
Posted on March 1, 2012 at 4:29amThis is a very sad story. It is also sad to read so many Zionist posts.Many want to paint one group as all good and the other as all bad. It is even more sad to read posts from Christians that hate one group over the other. Christians are not called into nation building….we are called into Kingdom building, one individual at a time. If you are a Christian you are called to support building the body of Christ not a political nation.
Report Post »Stop the hate and start walking among the lost.
It is easier to hate and judge than it is to walk forward into those than are lost.
right_thinking_mama
Posted on March 1, 2012 at 2:03pmThanks for the reply. I just wanted to point something out though. I do not hate the Arabs or Muslims. I bet 99% of people would be happy to let them do their own thing, and we do our thing. As long as “their thing” doesn’t involve killing us. You know, live and let live. They are the ones who cannot do this.
Also, as a Christian, I stand behind the Bible, which very clearly stands beside Israel. There are issues on both sides of the Palestine/Israel debate. I hope that someday they can live in peace together. I just highly doubt it.
Report Post »Baikonur
Posted on February 29, 2012 at 7:17pmWhy? So there can be more murders and more senseless martyrs on both sides?
Stop the settlements, get back to the negotiating table, both sides. There is so much to gain.
Report Post »Lumbar Spine
Posted on February 29, 2012 at 7:21pmAmne…were it not for Israel’s stubbornness in continuing to establish these settlements on the West Bank peace may have been obtained a long time ago.
Report Post »Lumbar Spine
Posted on February 29, 2012 at 7:25pm“Amen…” (sorry)
Report Post »Baikonur
Posted on February 29, 2012 at 7:34pm@Lumbar Spine
Posted on February 29, 2012 at 7:21pm
‘…were it not for Israel’s stubbornness in continuing to establish these settlements on the West Bank peace may have been obtained a long time ago.’
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I am not as optimistic as you are on that score. There are many problems in the Palestinian population apart from the occupation. These will take time to sort themselves out, and other Arabic nations can and should help. But I think everything should be done for peace anyway, even if the chances for success are small. Oaks grow from little acorns. Every friendly, cooperative gesture will help human beings on both sides to connect and treat each other with dignity.
Scientific collaboration, art, dance, theater exchanges, sports games, water conservation efforts, rare bird migration studies undertaken together—-anything and everything that is good must be done to achieve peace. I do not believe that there are no negotiating partners on either side. There are people, ordinary people on both sides who have worked for it all their lives and have a long term vision of love and peace in their hearts.
Report Post »tzion
Posted on February 29, 2012 at 7:45pmPersonally, I think we should have never encouraged the Oslo accords. Arafat was a terrorist and we should have spoken to leaders who truly believed in trying to establish peace. If those people don’t exist then we wait until one appears. The PLO sent the entire peace process backwards ten years and it still hasn‘t recovered because they won’t let conditions improve.
Report Post »Baikonur
Posted on February 29, 2012 at 7:56pm@Tzion
And yet the PLO was the most modern of the organizations that could speak for the Palestinians at the time. It had educated members, it was not religious but nationalist. So, one had to negotiate with the best possible option and they were it. This is how it goes–we never need to negotiate with friends–it is enemies we have to find agreement and understanding with. So we have to talk to them. From a position of strength?-Sure. But willing to trade? Of course.
We can’t wait till someone appears worthy of negotiation. No one will. We must talk to our enemies. Negotiation is talking to your worst enemy and finding a non-violent mutually beneficient solution.
Are they terrorists and supporters of terror? Yes, I think so. But then they are occupied, despised, and desperate. We, the US, also kill innocent people, maybe not on purpose, but without much concern, we torture, we invade and destabilize countries. No one here is a saint.
But peace must happen.I want it to, so much. I want Israel to flourish and its neighbours too.
Report Post »tzion
Posted on February 29, 2012 at 8:27pm@Baikoner
Report Post »Actually, the PLO wasn’t a good representative of the Palestinians. Prior to Oslo, they had rarely, if ever operated in the Palestinian territories. After 1967 they operated out of Jordan. After Black September they operated out of Lebanon. After Israel drove them from Lebanon they fled to TUNISIA. By the time Oslo came around the PLO hadn’t even been in the Middle East for years. They were so disconnected they didn’t even know the 1st intifada was coming. Not only that but because they backed Iraq in the Gulf War many of their sponsors cut funding. They were in exile, broke, and completely powerless and none of their leaders had set foot in the territories in over 30 years.
sablegsd
Posted on February 29, 2012 at 8:35pmHow can you negotiate with inbred sub humans that vow to wipe the country of Israel off the map and kill every Jew? Don’t you believe the koranimals when they say these things? Don’t their actions prove that is exactly what they plan to do?
Report Post »Baikonur
Posted on February 29, 2012 at 8:51pm@tzion
Posted on February 29, 2012 at 8:27pm
‘ Actually, the PLO wasn’t a good representative of the Palestinians.’
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But who was better? Islamic Jihad? One of the many other small Palestinian resistance groups? They always remind me of Monty Python’s Life of Brian :)
As bad as the PLO was, it was better than the alternatives. This is what I was saying, we don’t need to negotiate with friends, with friends everything is all settled. it is enemies we need to negotiate with.
But you are better informed than I am about the PLO and this time period. Do you think there was a better, more organized, more popular group that should have been the negotiating partner at Oslo instead of the PLO?
Report Post »tzion
Posted on February 29, 2012 at 9:17pm@Baikonur
Report Post »Why deal with a “resistance group” at all. When Israel was founded no one was negotiating with Haganah or Irgun. They negotiated with a provisional government which then became the first government. Why wouldn’t the same approach have worked here? Form a provisional government that truly represents the people and is independent of all the terrorists groups and negotiate with them. These terrorists should never be acknowledged as having any authority.
Baikonur
Posted on February 29, 2012 at 9:25pm@Tzion
‘Form a provisional government that truly represents the people and is independent of all the terrorists groups’
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I think the ‘independent of all terrorists groups’ part would be difficult, so would a government that represents all the people, considering the split between Hamas and the PLO.
But they do have a government now, of sorts, in the West Bank. I know about Abbas’s university thesis denying the Holocaust or something equally scandalous, but you must admit that he is better than Arafat. Plus, there is some sort of non-political financial minister that everyone respects in the cabinet.
You can’t wait for the Palestinians to turn into Swedes before you agree to negotiate. You’ve got to play the cards you are dealt. This is the Middle East. It is a rough neighbourhood. But I think countries like Quatar and Bahrain may help (and have helped) behind the scenes. There is hope.
I like Tzipi Livni, and Kadima in general.
Report Post »Lord_Frostwind
Posted on February 29, 2012 at 11:54pmNegotiations are over. Neither side is going to back down, they have both suffered too much at the hands of each other for this to end well. The Palestinians have been indoctrinated that there is no answer except the destruction of their enemy, and the Israeli’s have grown up with the enemy whose idea of negotiation is to launch missiles at you until you submit.
There comes a point where a line in the sand must be drawn, and once it is crossed you must be prepared to destroy those coming over the line. Let them fight it out, on their own, NO outside interference. Whoever is left standing by the end is the winner, period that’s all.
Report Post »Baikonur
Posted on March 1, 2012 at 12:19pm@Lord_Frostwind
Posted on February 29, 2012 at 11:54pm
‘There comes a point where a line in the sand must be drawn, and once it is crossed you must be prepared to destroy those coming over the line.’
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It is easy for you to say, not having a dog in the game. Let them kill each other. Plus American Christian fundamentalists actively desire conflict in Israel, because it plays into their ‘end of days’ scenario.
My ‘dog in the game’ is the desire for all people, regardless of any religious, political, economic, or sexual orientation, to live and be happy. I don’t want Jews and Arabs to fight and die. I want to see a peaceful, prosperous Israel that is friends and trading partners with its neighbours.
Report Post »chameleonx
Posted on February 29, 2012 at 7:17pmAs a person who is critical of both the Zionist and radical Palestinians; I cannot understand the struggle for this little land in the Middle East. That is my opinion on the topic. I wish everyone was good in health and can live their lives. But I feel this land has seen constant blood shed for centuries.
Report Post »tzion
Posted on February 29, 2012 at 7:40pmStrangely, that is actually a highly reasonable view. Personally I’d like to see the fighting stop as well.
Report Post »momprayn
Posted on February 29, 2012 at 7:12pmAn ex-Muslim Palestinian terrorist who was converted to Christianity (yes, it happens) — says in his book “God’s War on Terror” that there are many Palestinian Muslims that have organizations at our colleges trying to convert, handing out PR to promote sympathy for the Palestinians and against Israel. He is trying to warn us stupid, ignorant Americans about their infiltration, plan to take us over eventually via “stealth” – and are laughing themselves silly about how easy it is here with the freedoms we have, “pc” & gullible Americans who believe everything they say. Very frightening.
Report Post »barnsy
Posted on February 29, 2012 at 7:11pmIve got an idea… Why dont they vaporize the radical Palestinian Muslims?…Problem solved!
Report Post »justangry
Posted on February 29, 2012 at 7:24pmThey don’t make bombs that just kill the radicals.
Report Post »barnsy
Posted on February 29, 2012 at 7:34pmConcidering the vast majority are radical ill take the chance . We carpet bombed Germany. If there is no other option you accept collateral damage.
Report Post »SoundStride
Posted on February 29, 2012 at 7:07pmNumbers 13
Report Post »[1] And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
[2] Send thou men, that they may search the land of Canaan, which“ I give unto the children of Israel ”.
Lumbar Spine
Posted on February 29, 2012 at 7:20pmUmmmm…that was a very, very long time ago. Israel is a modern political state…and international boundaries should not be dictated by ancient religious texts.
Report Post »chameleonx
Posted on February 29, 2012 at 7:23pm@ Lumbar Spine: I can agree with your comment. However, Many, many Christians, Jews, and Muslims are motivated by their faith to have control and influence in Israel. It would be a difficult task in making each group see that their religion is man-made and that they can share Israel.
Report Post »Baikonur
Posted on February 29, 2012 at 7:46pm@chameleonx
Posted on February 29, 2012 at 7:23pm
‘Many, many Christians, Jews, and Muslims are motivated by their faith to have control and influence in Israel. It would be a difficult task in making each group see that their religion is man-made and that they can share Israel.’
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I think many, if not the majority of Jews in Israel are moderately, rather than fanatically religious. The crazies who are settling among Palestinians, burning down their olive groves, etc. based on Biblical passages are a minority. I think this is just as true of Israeli Arabs. They do have representation in the Knesset, and their standard of living is better than that of non-Israeli Arab neighbours, but of course they have legitimate complaints about discrimination, and feel sympathy and comraderie to other Palestinians.
At the end of the day, I don’t think this is about religion–it is about economic opportunities and access to ports for shipping and fresh water for irrigation.
Report Post »tzion
Posted on February 29, 2012 at 7:50pm@Lumbar Spine
Report Post »International boundaries shouldn’t be decided by the UN or the International community either. The only people with the power to define a border are those living on either side.
chameleonx
Posted on February 29, 2012 at 7:51pm@Baikonur: Palestinians do suffer from being poor and fanatic religious people. Yes, there are many Jews in Israel that are secular. But why Israel? Why can’t they have a country some where else? This is why I’m critical of Zionism. Because the state of Israel or Palestine or Canaan or whatever you want to call the country is a hotbed for war. I feel like it is a waste to defend both the Jews and the Arabs.
Report Post »christos
Posted on February 29, 2012 at 8:05pm@LUMBAR SPINE— Jerusalem was promised to Abraham’s descendents through his wife Sarah,,Israel has already been more than generous giving up land,the Jewish people where promised,John Hagee Cornerstone Church,or Les Feldick.org. are excellent teachers on this subject,,also +JESUS+GOD+ Promises “NEVER” change.Peace,,,I also love/care the Fogels,,,theyll be back.
Report Post »christos
Posted on February 29, 2012 at 8:07pmEdit : the Jewish people where promised the land from +JESUS+GOD+.
Report Post »Baikonur
Posted on February 29, 2012 at 8:12pm@chameleonx
Posted on February 29, 2012 at 7:51pm
‘But why Israel? Why can’t they have a country some where else? This is why I’m critical of Zionism’
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Why Israel? It is the ancient land of the Jews. There is a prayer that says ‘let my right arm wither if I forget you, oh, Jerusalem.’ A prayer remembered and spoken through the two thousand years of diaspora.Just like ‘next year in Jerusalem’ saying.
The late 19th century saw many revolutions and counter-revolutions in Europe, where most Ashkenazi Jews lived. The counter-revolutionary movements resulted in murderous pogroms in Russia and the rise of anti-semitic movements in previously civilized nations like France and Germany. Jews started fleeing these conditions. many came to the US. Some came to Israel.
They bought farm land when they started returning. They employed other Jews fleeing pogroms to work the farms together in kibbutzes. This displaced many Palestinian workers who worked as farm hands on these agricultural lands for centuries.
The land was owned by wealthy absentee landlords–Lebanese and Turkish. They sold, Jews put their money together (and also helped by wealthy philanthropists) bought, Palestinian agricultural workers lost their livelyhoods.
No villains here–just ordinary people thrown together in a cauldron of history, doing the best they can, and unable to keep it together.
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