Beck’s OnStar Concerns Were Right — Tracking Continues Even After Cancellation
- Posted on September 21, 2011 at 9:38am by
Liz Klimas
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Two years ago, Media Matters mocked Glenn Beck for his “conspiracy theory” that OnStar had too much power with its ability to track cars, listen to conversations and ultimately turn the car off. Well, it looks like his concerns were accurate, as GM has just made a major announcement about the GPS system.
Here’s the video from Media Matters in 2009:
Wired now reports that even if you cancel your OnStar service, you are still being tracked:
OnStar began e-mailing customers Monday about its update to the privacy policy, which grants OnStar the right to sell that GPS-derived data in an anonymized format.
Adam Denison, a spokesman for the General Motors subsidiary, said OnStar does not currently sell customer data, but it reserves that right. He said both the new and old privacy policies allow OnStar to chronicle a vehicle’s every movement and its speed, though it’s not clear where that’s stated in the old policy.
“What’s changed [is that if] you want to cancel your OnStar service, we are going to maintain a two-way connection to your vehicle unless the customer says otherwise,” Denison said in a telephone interview.
The connection will continue, he said, to make it “easier to re-enroll” in the program, which charges plans from $19 to $29 monthly for help with navigation and emergencies.
Continuing to collect information, Denison said, makes it easier OnStar to provide information for organizations that request it:
“We hear from organizations periodically requesting our information,” he said.
He said an example of how the data might be used would be for the Michigan Department of Transportation “to get a feel for traffic usage on a specific section of freeway.” The policy also allows the data to be used for marketing purposes by OnStar and vehicle manufacturers.
Collecting location and speed data via GPS might also create a treasure trove of data that could be used in criminal and civil cases. One could also imagine an eager police chief acquiring the data to issue speeding tickets en masse.
Wired notes that blogger and forensic scientist Jonathan Zdziarski, who wrote about OnStar “spying on customers” GPS location for profit” said he was canceling his service and making sure he was fully disconnected. He wrote, “When will our congress pass legislation that stops the American people’s privacy from being raped by large data warehousing interests? Companies like OnStar, Google, Apple, and the other large abusive data warehousing companies desperately need to be investigated.”
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Comments (330)
BigSky
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 10:26amThis has been public knowledge for some time now. Even your cellphone provider can track you.
Report Post »Loki
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 10:35amyep…
Report Post »cellphones have active gps now (thanks GWB) they can track you as long as the battery is in.
and removing onstar from a car is getting harder.. its wired into too many systems in the car… snip one wrong wire, and you have 1 ton paperweight
HKS
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 10:39amThis blog can cut you off if they don’t like what you said.
Report Post »Brad Wesselmann
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 10:45amOne ton paper weight, haha! ;-) I hate it when that happens!
Report Post »JRook
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 10:50amInteresting position against tracking and privacy. Not sure how that position is balanced with the 14 tracking and profiling cookies loaded by the blaze and 5 loaded by GBTV when you sign on.
Report Post »Bill in Texas
Posted on September 22, 2011 at 9:53amJust remove or cut the wire on the GPS antenna. That might work.
Report Post »TheLeftMadeMeRight
Posted on September 22, 2011 at 10:19amdisconnect the antenna…
Report Post »chipmunk
Posted on September 22, 2011 at 10:22am@JRookie
Report Post »Then stop signing on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You won’t be missed!!!
republitarian
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 10:25am“We hear from organizations periodically requesting our information,” he said.
Yeah, I’ll bet. They want to sell it while it’s still worth something. Soon everyone will have a smart phone and ALL movement will be tracked with the data stored forever. Have a nice day!
Report Post »jb.kibs
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 10:34ami still don’t know why noone has written a virus that emails death threats to certain people…
Report Post »also, i don’t know why noone has created an onstar virus yet which constantly reports that you are doing 100mph and plays death threats into the mic input… just saying… ;P
colascguy
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 10:46amSimple solution disconnect from the grid. Lots of places in the world to disappear to.
Report Post »JRook
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 10:52amInteresting position and feigned outrage about tracking and privacy. Particularly given the 14 tracking and profiling cookies loaded by the blaze and 5 loaded by GBTV when you sign on. But hey that information is merely sold to the highest bidder.
Report Post »ChiefGeorge
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 10:58amAnother truth out in the open! Thanks GB! Those who doubt, why? You are the ones who are supposed to question everything, esp big corporations and big government but on this you conveinantly turn a blind eye…why? Are you being paid to put disinformation out there? Quit lying to us.
Report Post »republitarian
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 11:26amGood point, JB Kibs. If the data was less reliable, it would be less valuable.
Uhg! These people will drive me to Anarchy! ;)
Report Post »CatB
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 11:31amYou can contact them right now on Facebook .. they are going to have a twitter talk but I don’t have twitter so I left the message on Facebook along with others .. they are taking heat and I say TURN UP THE TEMPERATURE! Just go to Facebook and search OnStar .. then tell them! (so far they are not deleting the comments).
Report Post »CatB
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 11:39amWe are having a live chat on Twitter at noon EST to answer any questions you have on our T&Cs. You can join @V_I_J_A_Y and @AdamDenison by following along wuth the hashtag #OnStarChat -Stacy
The above is posted by OnStar on Facebook.
Report Post »Ruler4You
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 11:56amSounds as bad as an AOL subscription…
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 11:58amHey ROOK,
Just curious how you know so much about the 5 cookies that load from GBTV.
Are you a loyal subscriber?
Report Post »Deb C
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 12:02pmWe were having a sensitive, politcally non correct conversation within the confines of our vehicle and were interrupted by our Onstar. We looked at each other and wondered if that was coincidental.
Report Post »JRook
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 12:07pm@Therightsofbilly Nah no time for cartoons. I just have a good utility which identifies cookies and journals what they are doing. Of course the utility also sends them false information. The only thing they can get is the general IP address for the office and/or house.
Report Post »ccr
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 12:10pmyeah, yeah……….we know Beck is ALWAYS right……….
EXCEPT for his support of his crony buddy, Perry!
Report Post »american1st
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 12:14pm@ therightsof if you get a “add block plus” add-on for your browser it allows you to see
Report Post »(and block – easy privacy filter) all the tracking scripts that run on any web site you visit…
Therightsofbilly
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 12:24pm@American1st
Thanks for the info.
I already have Adblock
I was just messing with Rook.
Report Post »macpappy
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 12:26pm@rook
Report Post »you might want to download a good ping identifier and tracer. Information is power. You are correct on your assessment of TheBlaze, but to be expected with a free forum and a L.L.C at the end of the name.
macpappy
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 12:31pm@CCR
Report Post »I think time will prove that Beck is right about Perry too.
Virgil_Lance
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 12:49pm“Soon everyone will have a smart phone and ALL movement will be tracked with the data stored forever”
Report Post »- http://www.inrix.com is already tracking gps for traffic reports.
banjarmon
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 12:57pmBO don’t need to know about ME!!!!
Report Post »NES
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 1:00pmBut you have to admit that the new OnStar logos are rather snazzy :P
http://www.thepeoplescube.com/red/richedit/smileys/emoticons/OnStar.gif
http://thepeoplescube.com/images/OnStar_Obama_Flag_160.gif
Report Post »stopspendingourmoney
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 1:17pmVote Ron Paul 2012 voted against the patriot act..the only true constitutionalist standing for 30 years.
Report Post »TH30PH1LUS
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 1:22pmNext they’ll install cameras inside the car “for your safety” . They’ll bill it as the next step in “connecting the world”.
Report Post »shazam3
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 1:22pmGM has been relating auto use in it‘s computers since the 90’s. I once watched a mechanic at a dealer download info to GM from his computer. He then recited me how many people are normally in the car, how fast the car went at some time, how many hours it went over the speed limit, what radio station was listened to, how many times the seat was slid back and forth, how many panic stops, if the car was run overheated, if the car was run low on oil, it was scary. I believe it was done so that GM could dispute warrantees. Now with Onstar it is in real time eliminating the mechanic. Now is this device sophisticated enough to pick specific words out of a conversation for Gov security or a crime? Is it like the movie The Bourne Ultimatim that the CIA or such could pick just one word out of a sentence to set something in motion?
Report Post »Detroit paperboy
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 1:23pmI have a friend who caught her husband cheating thru her onstar !!!
Report Post »She told them her teenage son had taken the truck without her permission,
Then showed up at the hotel !!!!!!! So cheaters beware…
blue_sky
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 1:24pmGB fans do not go ape. Credit goes to people who reported to Alex Jones radio hosts months before GB “copy” the information.
Once again like with many Internet reports and graphic materials GB has “used” without permission, reference and credit, this does not affect Alex Jones, but did upset many young bloggers and artists whose work had been lifted without a credit.
Report Post »Marci
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 1:42pmI always thought OnStar was just the gateway to hell that our government will use against us. They show every day their willingness to ignore the Constitution, just as some states have made it legal to put a tracking device on your car without your knowledge all for the purpose of a “minority report”. As for the dingleberry that mentioned tracking cookies on this site, fair enough, let us know what is done with it and then you can bleat a little more.
Report Post »blue_sky
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 1:53pmWant to play prophet? Let me play Glenn Beck too.
Do you know that your cell phone GPS coordinates are recorded forever and the gov can activate the mic, even if you turn the phone off (as long as the battery is connected) ????????????
Glenn, you are soooo behind!
Report Post »blue_sky
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 2:44pmSpying without a warrant was authorized by Patriot Act.
Perry, Romney, Bachmann, Cain, Obama all support Patriot Act
Only Ron Paul was speaking out against Patriot Act from day one after he voted against it in Congress.
Want freedom? Vote RON PAUL in GOP primaries.
Report Post »PlowMan
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 2:45pmHave you driven a Ford….. Lately!!!
Report Post »carnifex
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 2:56pmGuys you’re thinking too small…. wait till all street corners have those video cameras and they’re all linked to facial recognition databases. And police cars with cameras linked to a plate database. Stores with their discount cards tracking your purchases. I can imagine public building being fitted with finger printing devices on doorknobs wired in … “we know you entered the bathroom at 12:15:46 am on sept 30, 2011 at the county court house… here’s the time stamp” Privacy is a thing of the past. Read the book “ the Light of Other days” Our generation will freak out over whats coming, our kids will rebel against it, but our grandkids will shrug it off as normal.
As a ps You know those cameras hanging form the ceiling in your department store? They track you … you the individual, and if you linger too long in an aisle an alarm goes off. Welcome to the machine.
Report Post »1TrueOne55
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 3:40pmIt is why I personally don’t have a “Cell” Phone contract or even use OnStar since I am not planning on buying any GM Vehicle with it or even a GM Vehicle since the CEO wants me to pay $4+ dollars for a gallon of gas. The Volt is a scam and now that GM is a wholly owned subsidiary of the UAW the cars are going to get more expensive since they need to find a way to pay for their retirement benifits that they have not funded for decades, I won‘t be surprised that the screw the workforce by dumping the retirement plan on the bankrupt Gov’t program designed to keep retirees from loosing all benefits, in that program you get only 50% of what you contracted for with the Company/Union Pension Plan.
Report Post »kennyg933
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 4:15pmOnStar is soon coming to a chip implanted in your hand or forehead, per REV 13. Most people will choose the hand, until news stories blame the insuing so-called crimes on non-chippers, when people realize that hands will be severed from bodies so the chip can be used to access that user’s account. THEN people will elect the forehead. You can’t tote a severed head around and scan in somwhere to get food and supplies, as you can something as concealable as a severed hand. In the new currency that is about to be imposed on us, after the dollar and the other world currencies are deliberately bankrupted, no man may buy or sell except he who has the mark, or the biometric chip that enslaves you, and the only ‘legal tender’ the world will recognize. An illusion that is the fruit of the reserve banking system. Who’s your daddy?
Report Post »hifi74
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 4:46pmWell that does it, I’m selling my Malibu and getting a different car. I’m tired of this privacy invasion crap from Government Motors.
Report Post »moosebeeusa
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 6:19pmWhere’s the frickin off button? O yah its the blue wire,cut hat one and you’ll be off grid. shut cell phone off or pull battery.
Report Post »Don’t be affraid!!!!
Brooke Lorren
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 6:20pmHaha, not me. I have one of those prepaid cell phones that I got from somebody else, so it’s not even traceable to me. Even then, I use it so little that they’d be lucky to track me down with it. I often forget it and leave it at home, or keep it in the car, or whatever.
Just say not to OnStar too. Not interested.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 7:58pmI finally recieved an answer to my posting on Facebook … here is OnStar’s response.
“we would in no way ever want you to feel violated. OnStar will not sell your personal information to third parties for their independent use. I hope this video will answer any additional questions you might have on the changes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eppUz5CJA_0
-Stacy
Report Post »12 minutes ago ·”
DagnysCousin
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 8:09pmIs Glenn running out of stuff to frighten people over? This is really scraping the bottom of the barrel. Millions of cars have OnStar, the data collected is used for trending, traffic and pattern analysis, so what? Do most people really think that a company or government agency wants to know where and when YOU specifically go? No, and to do so legally requires a warrant, not to mention would require thousands of data analysts to track and target people specifically. Not saying don‘t pay attention to what the gov’t can do to infringe on our rights, but there’s no reason to become hysterical about it. Know what the capability is, understand how it is used, and be vigilant for abuses. No need to be so paranoid.
Report Post »veruca salt
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 8:51pmGlenn’s ego, bruised from his FOX firing, his radio show pulled from some big markets, and having been blown off by many of the “celebrities” who didn’t attend his Israel rally, must be in desperate need of some reaffirmation. There are currently two stories of how Glenn‘s sagacious insight has been proven true and one about some dude who is crazy happy for being recognized on Glenn’s show.
Come on Glenn, you can say it… “I’m good enough, I’m smart enough, and gosh-darnit, people like me.”
Report Post »JJ Coolay
Posted on September 22, 2011 at 6:21amBlue Sky – nothing like taking the opportunity to stump for your guy, Ron Paul.
YAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNN……..
Report Post »100 Million Patriots Standing
Posted on September 22, 2011 at 7:54amIn addition to Smart Meters, and Smart Appliances there will be no sanctuary of privacy.
Now if could just get a Smart Population to reject all this convenience at the expense of liberty.
Report Post »JustinTexas
Posted on September 22, 2011 at 8:45amYou don’t need a smartphone. They can and do track you with any cell phone. Not just Apple and Google but all cell phone companies. The only way to stop it is if you turn it off.
Report Post »christos
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 10:24am……A reflection of who they are CREEPS……
Report Post »lucktsm
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 10:21amI hate to sound to paranoid, but if you have a satellite radio in your car or your cell phone has a satellite locator in it, you are probably being tracked already. The government can and already tracks these devices.
It is safe to say if you want to be “off the grid” loose all your electronics.
Report Post »cessna152
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 10:27amI will get off the grid when “I deem it necessary”…
Report Post »Brad Wesselmann
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 10:48amMe too, but first I will use their own devices against them…only after I have exploited their “intelligence” will I deem it useless to my objectives.
Report Post »Cartec
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 11:00amSatellite radio users cannot be tracked, the devices do not require 2-way communications. The satellite radio tuners that are built into car sound systems and sold as aftermarket add-ons are only receivers. Each unit has a unique ESN (Electronic Serial Number.) When you subcribe to service you have to tune the unit to a specific channel to receive an activation signal. When you’re subscription expires, a cancellation signal containing expired ESNs is broadcast on all satellite channels periodically to deactivate your radio. The deactivation signals are broadcast less frequent after 30 days due to limited bandwidth of satellite radio spectrum and number of satellite radios ever made. If you have an online satellite radio subcription on an iPod, Android, or any other network connected device, yes, tracking is possible. I hope this calms some people’s fears.
Report Post »Brad Wesselmann
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 11:09amIt’s not a satellite radio, it’s a specific device for locating and communicating with another device, Cartec. It is being tracked and monitored even if by a program and database. It doesn’t do any good if you try to lower the vigilance of the Neo-American’s…we only look harder at the places they tell us not to look.
The old American’s let this garbage go without question or curiosity…those days are over.
grfd703
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 1:20pmIt’s “lose” not “loose”. Is anyone else tired of seeing this grammatical error?
Report Post »Brad Wesselmann
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 2:15pmNot nearly as tired as of people that get lost in semantics and miss the obvious meaning of the message being sent. Don’t get all shocked someday when you try to “correct” someone and they “loose” their foot up your tailpipe, grfd703.
Personally I could care less about a word and much more about the meaning such as the meanings of “transform”, “change” and “hope”.
Report Post »JJ Coolay
Posted on September 22, 2011 at 6:30amBrad, I see your point, but why wouldn’t you (we all) strive to be better — even in grammar.
If you’re using the wrong word, learn from it and make it right next time.
Or should I say… If your using the wrong word, learn from it and make it write the next thyme.
Report Post »PoliticalJunkieToo
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 10:17amMozy (download/save your information off site) = On Star
Both use your information as they see fit.
Report Post »LOTO
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 10:16amSeveral years ago on The Liddy Show ( 9 to Noon on The Worldnet Daily radio player) G. Gordon Liddy had a report on a court ruling regarding this very matter. The G-man said that the court ruled that recordings from On Star could not be used as evidence ( so they are being monitored) because the individual was paying for a service. Not because it invaded privacy but because they are paying for a service! So what if they are no longer paying for a service? The lawyers are the doom of this nation and should be ashamed of their own kind.
Report Post »jb.kibs
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 10:30amthey should be ashamed, but people today know no shame…
Report Post »JRook
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 10:54amYour right everyone should be outraged. And similarly outraged by the 14 third party tracking and profiling cookies loaded by the blaze and 5 loaded by GBTV when you sign on. No invasion of privacy there I guess.
Report Post »Ben__Franklin
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 12:38pmI see Jcrook has decided to poke his head out of Soros’s arse again. Hey Rook, was there ever a video from Media Matters smearing Glenn Beck about lying that The Blaze or GBTV sends cookies to people that visit the sites???? Nope – just a smear video about Glenn lying that On-Star tracks and records even if you are not a subscriber. AGAIN, Glenn is right, Lets see Media Matters retract their Soros Paid crap – yeah right – that would take supposed news outlet that has moroals.
Epic Failure you progressive hack. Now poke your head back in – George is getting ready to use toilet paper….
Report Post »JRook
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 5:22pm@Ben__Franklin Oh ok BEN. So that’s your defense for a guy who slams someone for tracking and creating profiles and then under the guise of an LLC allows third party tracking and profiling companies. As far as the pseudo tough guy personal attacks, save it for someone who might react. Your onscreen name referencing a semi intelligent gentleman is obviously a weak front.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 7:05pmWOW Rook,
You think that Ben Franklin was only SEMI intelligent?
That’s all I need to know about you.
Report Post »PoliticalJunkieToo
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 10:15amSo husbands or wives can buy the “On Star data” of where their spouses were exactly and at what time to assist in proving they were cheating or lying.
Stalkers or employers can buy the data also.
between government in bed with Google (sites we visit/what we buy) and GM (where we go) and the IRS (what we earn and how), there is nothing Big Brother doesn’t know about us.
A National Sales Tax (and getting rid of the income tax) will NEVER happen because then the Sheeple won’t have to file income taxes (all that information) under force of prison to Big Brother.
Report Post »Rashomon
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 10:23amso, if they are still connected and watching and see you have been in an accident are they obligated to send help and if they don’t can they be sued.
Report Post »MASTER YODA
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 11:35amRashomon: Awesome point.
Report Post »11:11
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 10:09ameverybody rags rags rags on gm so why do i always see tons of people driving them? i don’t get that, i’m diehard honda owner!
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 10:14amInformation is power, so what will happen when the Fed‘s wind up making it mandatory for ’safety on the road of everyone’ have one of these OnStar devices, or from a similiar company — and the Fed’s can track anyone via them that they wish to at any time…
What happens then….anyone…
Report Post »Steelhead
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 10:33amSnow- Soon the day will come when the gov, will put a ‘chip’ in you and your offspring so they can ‘protect’ you. Don’t think so? just wait
Report Post »LICENSEDTOCARRY
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 10:36amDo you think by driving a Honda you are safe from govt intrusion? Please pinch yourself and wake up from that dream.
Report Post »lillymckim
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 10:40amI have it on three cars .. and I just got the disclaimer too… and I’m a little worried as to how they use my “personal info” as well!
We will soon be trying car accidents cases in court by black boxes and On Star.
What worries me as well are the Doctors and or someone in their office as well as personnel in labs that SELL your diagnosis your PERSONAL MEDICAL INFO to companies for profit and and even to lawyers for profit A relative of mine was recently diagnosed with lung cancer and the very week he went in for the first radiation treatment at a very well known cancer center he received an unsolicited call on an
“unlisted phone line” from an attorney asking to file a lawsuit for him? Coincidence? .. No way!
Can I prove any of it?
Report Post »No..
but I know someone “sold” my relatives medical info and diagnosis to an entity “without” permission.
JRook
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 10:56am@Snowleopard so I guess your ok with the 14 third party tracking and profiling cookies loaded by the blaze and 5 loaded by gbtv when you sign on. But I guess that tracking and profiling info sold to companies is ok.
Report Post »pbrenda51
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 11:12amAMEN!!!! We have only bought Honda and Toyota since 1982…….Toyota does NOT have union workers…..and we never have an issue with these brands….last 200k miles and then we sell them and buy a new one…..great cars….I do not understand why ANYONE would buy GM, Jeep etc……how about finding the union workers outside smoking pot and drinking during breaks? yeah, I’d want THAT car that they built
Report Post »Scaz
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 2:10pmLots of Sheeple out there 11:11. They feel secure in the knowledge that Big Brother is watching them. There the same people that don’t mind being felt up at the airport. Afterall, its for their own good.
I stopped buying GM cars years ago when this onstar crap started. A collegue of mine had a GM w/ onstar and called them for assistance with something. The woman at onstart informed them that she could not help them until they buckled their seatbeat! Michael Scott is right,…..THEY KNOW! THEY KNOW EVERYTHING!
Report Post »Jumper
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 2:53pm@ STEELHEAD
Report Post »I know the day will come when they want/try to put a chip in me or mine. I can tell you now, that’s the mark of the Beast, and it ain’t happening. Critters included, no chips for Fido. The day they try, well let‘s just say it’ll go badly for somebody( and it may be me if they send enough goons, but chipping a dead man is pointless)….Big Bother would have a better chance of collecting our guns, which they will eventually try as well, than putting chips in us, and we all know how trying to collect our guns is going to go…..Molon Labe!
psst
Posted on September 22, 2011 at 7:22am@Steel.
Report Post »You’re sooo correct. W/o that chip, you won’t be able to buy or sell.
The NWO/OWG is coming to fruiton.
The anti-christ can only come when there is a OWG. And it’s coming. Sooner than many may think.
In fact, many don’t know what the hell you and I are talking about.
trolltrainer
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 10:09amBeware, it is not just onstar. Most new vehicles now come with a “black box” to help diagnose the cause of accidents. It is a small leap yo picture this data being transmitted in real time. The capability is there.,.The question is if anyone is utilizing it for any reason. I mean, what are you going to do with all this data? It is the same issue as Google recording your searches. Like it or not, this is the price we pay for the convenience of living in the digital age. The only solution I can see is to become Amish…
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 10:28amWas thinking the same thing, TT, about one’s smart phone. I think I’m going to like the Amish lifestyle ;)
Report Post »NJTMATO
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 11:07amAgreed! I’ve been thinking a LOT about living the “Amish” way….I have actually been gearing up to get rid of the smart phone. Don’t think I need to worry about my car, it’s not a high tech vehicle, never had on star, never did. My thoughts are that the more active I get and involved I become in patriot issues (tea party type), the sooner I will need to stop all electronic communication. I need to plan for it and devise a network of people to communicate with sans cellphone-internet, etc.
Report Post »lillymckim
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 11:13amExactly we all “Plug In” every morning probably before we even have our first cup of coffee!
Report Post »The Amish lifestyle is an “alternative” to being plugged in or “Organic Farmers” as the youth like to be called.. a price to pay for staying… “Connected”
trolltrainer
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 11:18amMore and more I am thinking about it. We have enough money to get by on if we lived frugally. If you ever go to Dollywood and ride the train up the mountain when you get to the top they have a cabin in a clearing in a small dell on top of the mountain. 10 acres or so. A stand of corn, a vegetable garden, a milk cow, some chickens, maybe a goat or two…Raise some hogs maybe…Subsistence living…I am handy enough to make most things I would need…
Anyway, it would be a hard life compared to what we have, but what a way to get back to God and family. This is what we have lost.
Either that or I buy a sailboat and float around the Caribbean…
Report Post »crackerone
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 1:13pm@Trolltrainer
They have no problems throwing the Amish in jail!
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 2:26pmCrackerone,
I understand your reference but fail to see how that has anything to do with what I said?
I think in the case of the Amish it was a righteous arrest. They are driving their buggies on public roads and need to obey the regulations. If that offends their sensibilities, which I can sympathize with, then don’t use the roads. Some laws are stupid, I would not agree that this one is, but no matter, we must obey them anyway. I do not condone breaking the law. If there comes a time when I feel obligated to do so and I get caught then I will accept my punishment gracefully.
Report Post »Eyes
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 4:05pmLiving like the Amish has crossed my mind, ever since I observed their way of life. That would be great, providing the government don’t tag the horses and buggies with tracking devices. That is probably in the near future too.
Report Post »jb.kibs
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 10:08am“OnStar began e-mailing customers Monday about its update to the privacy policy, which grants OnStar the right to ***sell*** that GPS-derived data in an anonymized format.”
no shame… what an invasion of privacy….
Report Post »tomloy
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 10:08amI am not surprised. I am glad non of my vehicles have on star.
Report Post »op3
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 10:07amYou can remove the antenna, The thing that looks like a shark fin it has the GPS chips in it and will not transmit or receive any info if removed, :)
Report Post »spirited
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 10:05amLet me help you.
This is for your own good.
Trust me.
The truth is …
The fact of the matter is …
To be honest with you …
We’re here to serve you.
Don’t let them bamboozle you.
No more smoke filled back-room deals.
It won’t cost you one dime more.
Now is not the time for politics.
This is not class-war, it’s math.
>Buy one & get another one FREE; –Just pay a processing fee.
Report Post »jb.kibs
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 10:09amexactly.
i got one for them…
“this is going to hurt me more than it hurts you”. ;)
Report Post »GumRock
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 10:02amRip that sucker out.
Report Post »Done.
Jenny Lind
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 9:59amI haven’t had on-star connect since 2005, and now I am curious what information has continued to be kept. I have a great mechanic, think I’ll see if I can get further disconnected. This really bothers me.
Report Post »Duck and cover
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 9:59amAt this point just find the on star modual and unplug the thing. problem solved, till it’s mandatory to have it installed and reporting back to the C.O. before your car will start…
Report Post »jb.kibs
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 10:25amArticle 2, Section 4.
The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.
Bribery… “Bailouts for votes” … Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?
Report Post »TheOracleOfTruth
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 9:57amELENIN & Nibiru – go to google or youtube and do a search – what do you think? Just looking for the truth…????
Report Post »Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 9:55amDoes Onstar report your speed to your insurance company? I wonder, if someone could sue Onstar, just like a CA guy did, who sued, because he got photographed by a speed camera and it caused his wife to divorce him, because it showed a different woman in the car with him?
Report Post »Loki
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 10:38amno… but the “black box” in your car does….
Report Post »you have a 2000 and newer car, it has a black box like jet aircraft has, and they can review the accident….
nilo
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 9:55amJust have your ONSTAR disabled.
Report Post »PoliticalJunkieToo
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 10:09amDisabled? I would take it out.
Report Post »macpappy
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 12:29pmYou would have to have it removed to be sure of your privacy.
Report Post »PaBowHunter
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 9:51amYeah…..I’ve purchased my last GM vehicle until the company changes its ways. As for Glenn predicting this……he’s usually right about htese matters.
Report Post »I_Hate_Libs
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 9:51amAnother reason GM sucks!
The horror of the Democrat mind.
Report Post »jhrusky
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 9:50amAnd now that GM is co-owned by our crooked government, this Orwellian practice will just continue to get worse and worse unless WE THE PEOPLE get vocal and visible and demand our entire freedoms be restored and this nonsense gets ended.
WOLVERINES!
Report Post »True American66
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 9:50amBig Brother isn’t just watching you, he has you on lock.
Report Post »burr99
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 9:49amWow! Who could have seen this comming? Oh, wait, Glenn did! Just another example of “Big Brother” keeping track of us. Not so far from Orwell’s 1984 are we? I guess we have to have something for this big Federal govt to do….
Report Post »TPartyXpress
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 3:40pmBURR99 – Off topic, but interesting name. Aaron Burr was a relative of mine and I once worked with a relative of Alexander Hamilton, whom Burr killed in that historic duel. He was an actor who portrayed Hamilton in a stage show. We got some chuckles out of that. I believe Bob is gone now. I’ve since lost the MP3 of one of his performances.
Report Post »the hawk
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 9:46ami’ll be buying nice older cars from now on ! like pre 1980 !
Report Post »Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 9:58amJust don’t buy GM.
Report Post »Stoic one
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 10:50amor Chrysler
Report Post »drago
Posted on September 21, 2011 at 11:32amAs a former GM mechanic, It was necessary at times to call onstar from the vehicle being worked on, for onstar assistance, in repairing theit system. Each time i contacted onstar through their unit, the voice on the other end was happy to tell me exactly where i was, who owned the vehicle, and the modle of the vehicle.Right then and there i knew i would never purchase a vehicle, with ANY kind of tracking device built in, and i have NEVER purchased a GM vehicle in my life, and never will.
GM has been in the back pocket of politians for many years, and mostly those on the left, its not called government motors for nothing, bail out or not….
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