PA High School Defends Plan to Segregate Students by Race & Gender
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A Lancaster, Pa., high school is defending its decision to segregate students according to race and gender in an attempt to foster higher standards of student achievement.
The plan recently implemented at McCaskey East High School segregates black students from the rest of the school body and then divides them further according to gender, dividing black females and black males. The separation is brief — just six minutes each day and 20 minutes twice a month — but the controversial move is drawing some heated criticism and stirring comparisons to past “separate but equal” racial segregation schemes.
Bill Jimenez, the school’s principal, defended the policy Wednesday, claiming that the school’s experiment was an attempt to improve the performance of black students whose performance was noticeably lagging behind their fellow students. According to Jimenez, research suggests that same-race classes led by strong same-race role models may improve academic results.
“One of the things we said when we did this was, ‘Let’s look at the data, let’s not run from it. Let’s confront it and see what we can do about it,’” he told Lancasteronline.com.
The idea originated with Angela Tilghman, a McCaskey East instructional coach who was alarmed at the poor academic performance of the school’s black students.
Only about a third of McCaskey’s African-Americans scored proficient or advanced in reading on last year’s PSSAs, compared with 60 percent of white students and 42 percent of all students.
Math scores were even worse, with just 27 percent of black pupils scoring proficient or advanced.
Research has shown, Tilghman said, that grouping black students by gender with a strong role model can help boost their academic achievement and self-esteem.
She and fellow instructional coach Rhauni Gregory volunteered to mentor the African-American girls, and Michael Mitchell and Willie Thedford each took a homeroom of black males.
No other students were divided by race, Jimanez said, although pupils enrolled in the school’s English language learners program were paired with ELL teachers.
Initially, some McCaskey East students and staff objected to separating out black students. Some juniors asked to go back to their old homerooms. Others complained that the experiment ran counter to the culture of McCaskey, long a melting pot of students and staff from many diverse backgrounds.
Now, mentors are closely watching students’ performance in the segregated classrooms, including grades, test scores and attendance.
“Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity,” one math teacher and mentor, Michael Mitchell, remarked, quoting the late Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Mitchell now says he hopes to inspire his black male students during their short daily meetings, noting that some of them were even failing gym class.
“They’re all young. They’re all strong. They’re all athletic. But they’re failing because they chose not to participate,” he said. “That‘s an example of ’conscientious stupidity.’ You can do but you choose not to do. These are the things we need to get away from.”
In the few weeks since the mentors began holding their homeroom meetings, the mentors claim they’ve seen changes in their students. “You notice the level of interaction is different, the way they talk is different,” one mentor pointed out. “One of the simplest things you notice right away is, before, the pants were hanging down; now, they are up. The shirt is tucked in, where before, it was hanging out. That’s tangible.”
The test score results haven’t yet been calculated, but at least one student, junior Mikeos Ango, claims the new set-up has made a difference for him. “It definitely makes you think about stuff more,” he said.
“We have great role models as our teachers right now. They’ve been in our shoes before, and so we learn something from them every day.”
What do you think: Are segregated classrooms acceptable? Are academic achievement and racial cohesion mutually exclusive?
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Comments (162)
jrz908
Posted on January 26, 2011 at 10:31pmI’m a white college student, and I have friends who attend HBCU’s who have told me that it has been the best experience of their lives. They felt more comfortable being in classes with other black students and it allowed a lot of them to break out of their shells and become empowered. They were with students who were like them and who shared common experiences. In the real world we all work together in America, so why seperate by race in schools? Because high school and college students are at an uneasy age where they are still insecure and trying to find out who they are. My friends at HBCU‘s have told me that they feel like they became stronger individuals and better students thanks to their HBCU’s. I’ve been to Lancaster, and I know these kids need to feel empowered, they need to build their self-esteem so that they can know that they can do great things with their lives. We can sit here and complain about this generation and all the things wrong with it (and with our education system) OR someone can step up and try to change it, which is what this school is trying to do. Let’s hope it works, and if it doesn’t, then let’s hope they try something else.
Report Post »Whostolemypig
Posted on January 26, 2011 at 10:13pmThe desire to rub molecules is the only science education high school students retain in a co-ed environment.
Report Post »NormanDeArmond
Posted on January 26, 2011 at 10:09pmObama won’t release his records, mysterious forces tied the hands of recordkeepers at all levels. By this should we conclude he did even worse, between the weed and the blow.
Report Post »shannonals
Posted on January 26, 2011 at 11:21pm@NormanDeArmond. How do the records of the POTUS relate to the article at hand? Seriously, where are you going with this train of thought?
Report Post »Alan
Posted on January 26, 2011 at 10:05pmOh, my god! Those fools, those unmitigate fools! They’re looking a the data before making decisions! What’s next? Balancing their check books before deciding to buy something?! Oh woe, oh woe . . . do you think that was too teensy much sarcasm?
Report Post »Marine Recon Dad
Posted on January 26, 2011 at 9:51pm… kinda hard to argue with the statistics, isn’t it……
Report Post »jokar
Posted on January 26, 2011 at 9:46pmPeople segregate themselves all the time. Do these kids “mix” at lunch, or recess? Probably not….so what is the big deal if it helps them. I also support gender segregation, as it takes off a lot of pressures and nonsense that interferes with learning.
Report Post »VindexPoplicola
Posted on January 26, 2011 at 9:45pmIts everything but what it really is. Black students do worse than other students because the rate of fatherless homes is higher among black students than any other race. Kids do not do well when their home life is not stable and mom and dad are not home, that is true for all races. The family is the bedrock of society, as it fails so will the next generation, uh because that is where the next generation comes from. Stick that in your feminist-fathers-aren’t-needed pipe and smoke it. Truth hurts.
Report Post »normbal
Posted on January 26, 2011 at 9:33pmBeen watching this for decades. Since the Supreme Court brought chaos and forced cultural mixing in our public schools. Didn’t someone say the truth has no agenda?
Report Post »HumbleCitizen
Posted on January 26, 2011 at 9:28pmThere is a certain segment of American society, in every state, in every city, that certain segment that refuses to get an education. Education is there, it’s free, the school is inclusive, extra services are there and inviting, the teachers qualified and caring yet this “certain segment” of society willfully chooses to go to school but not apply or participate in any meaningfull way. I see it all the time and it breaks my heart when a student openly announces in front of the school, “I don’t WANT my education (5th grader)”. This attitude goes back to the home (frequently broken) and to a culture that feels that to get an education is to somehow stop “you from keeping it real” or viewed as a “sell out”. We as a society can experiment with all kinds of methods but nothing…NOTHING will change until the change comes from the(ir) heart.
Report Post »click4cheapandeasyweb
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 8:55amI hear ya, but what can be done? I have some ideas but they would be considered too radical. And it seems that no matter the idea we use to combat this from happening, unless its a government hand-out, it’s totally ignored.
Report Post »kschmud
Posted on January 26, 2011 at 9:27pmI went to an all girl school and it was great – could focus on learning without all the social crap. It would dramatically improve academic performance.
Report Post »RightPolitically
Posted on January 26, 2011 at 9:24pmPerhaps “seperate but equal (if TRULY EQUAL) might be the answer. It should be tried……nothing else has worked!
Report Post »Taquoshi
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 11:28pmMarva Collins started Westside Preparatory School in Garfield Park, an impoverished neighborhood of Chicago, Illinois in 1975. The school lasted for 30 years and closed recently due to lack of enrollment and funding. It wasn’t necessarily all black or single sex, but focused on classical education.
Other schools were single sex, some of them were military academies, but women insisted on “equal access”, so now I don’t think there are many single sex schools left.
As for race, well, there are some “historically black colleges”, but it appears that they do admit students of other races. Fayetteville State University had 72.1% black students during 09-10 and Elizabeth City State University had 79.7% in 09-10.
I think there is a place or at least should be a place in our society for single sex schools and for colleges that serve a particular people group. And quite frankly, I’m tired of the multiculturalist who feel that one size education fits all.
Report Post »hauschild
Posted on January 26, 2011 at 9:19pmIf all schools were private, you’d never have this problem.
Report Post »NoBamaZombie
Posted on January 26, 2011 at 9:19pmAs guy who had trouble with a short attention (A.D.D.) span, I went to many types of public and private schools. I wasnt a bad kid, just had trouble keeping my mind focused, especially if the subject wasn’t my forte. When I was in private school with all males, guess how fast my grades went up? Quick! Sex segregration is not always a bad thing for some students, seems that the ladies were my distractive weakness. As for race, who knows, but if it works-roll with it.
Report Post »amerbur
Posted on January 26, 2011 at 9:17pmThis is rediculous. Divide by race? This is insane? Divide by preformance. If I was a preforming kid and they tried to stuck me in a group of underpreforming kids based on race, can you imagine? This race based vision of the world, by the left, rather then by ideas, is destructive, cruel, baseless, racist – it is inslavement through lazy irrational thought.
Report Post »dontbotherme
Posted on January 26, 2011 at 10:25pmAmerbur…you are kidding right?
Report Post »komponist-ZAH
Posted on January 26, 2011 at 10:35pmI have long thought that a sort of intellectual segregation would help both the under-performing and exceptional students get the attention they need. Of course it will probably never happen as long as the unconstitutional DoEd exists.
Report Post »Taquoshi
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 11:15pmThe students are identified as in need of assistance through their test scores and there is a key that identified their race for statistical studies. The student‘s names aren’t attached to the test, so the person who does the analysis may know that there are 25 black students who are in the lower scoring percentage, but he or she won’t know which ones. Doing it that way identifies the demographical data without “prejudice”. These test results are all data driven.
Another thing that has to be factored in is whether or not the students are recent arrivals in the country, are fluent in English and whether or not the student belongs in a subset of the test classes, such as special education. Trust me, these multiple classifications get really complicated very, very, very quickly.
I would suspect that these particular black students who are being given the mentoring time are probably the largest grouping of students who don’t fall into a subset category, which would give the truest indication of whether or not the mentoring time has a positive effect on the student’s grades and attendance. I don‘t think it’s racist, I think it is data driven.
Report Post »krenshau
Posted on January 26, 2011 at 9:17pmWhat does it say about a group of people that can only be inspired by someone from their own group. Doesn’t that speak volumes about their ingrained racial prejudice? Doesn’t that reveal that to them the color of the skin of the person is of higher regard than the lesson that can be learned from the person? Race relations seems to have only progressed in non-black cultures. Black culture seems to still have race as its primary focus. That’s my observation; and I acknowledge that their are of course exceptions as their are with everything.
Report Post »wildjoker5
Posted on January 26, 2011 at 10:53pmVery well put and I thank you. As if the teachings of the white guy who has tried to improve their grades from day o e have any less merit because of his skin color. I am glad serving is working, hopefully the black teachers are teaching them to be more respectful of all teachers regardless of race. And that whitey is not the devil.
Report Post »hflndrs
Posted on January 26, 2011 at 9:17pmBad plan separating the students by race. The article states that kids of other races are not performing to standard, there are just more from the African American group. If a student is not meeting the standard then place them in a class for extra assistance regardless of race. This should be done on a merit and not race.
Report Post »spirited
Posted on January 26, 2011 at 9:59pmagree
Report Post »Taquoshi
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 11:04pmI suspect there are cultural forces also at play here along the lines of an Us vs. Them mentality with the students when it is an interacial grouping.
I saw this up close and personal following the funeral of a friend’s mother where one of the other relatives who had never seen me before felt that it was important that the non-black, non-relative be put in the proper place by “trash talking”. This woman was relentless in her pursuit of me and everything I said or did was interpreted racially. It made everyone there uncomfortable, so I left rather soon. Later I was told that once I was out the door, this woman, who actually had been agitating towards violence, settled right down, much to the disgust of my friend and her immediate family.
You see, this woman had an unwritten rule that only blacks could come back to the house after the burial, which I broke since I swung by the caterers to pick up two forgotten item for the meal. It was really pretty sad and several other members of the family went out of their way to apologize for this woman’s actions.
The point of the tutoring and the mentoring time is to get the students to focus on the mentor or the school work, not to distract them with other things. The other students who aren’t doing well will also received the help they need, but they have to get the program off the ground first.
Report Post »missmarie
Posted on January 26, 2011 at 9:16pmGrouping students together by gender has proven to improve scores and attention to school work in many academies and charter schools around the country. I am a little concerned that race is being used. The bottom line is that our schools are out of control and the administration is now grasping at whatever they can to fix it. Being able to choose your childs school instead of the boundary system, requiring parental involvement, and returning discipline would be a much better choice. A few former drill sgts. running detention wouldn’t hurt either. q:-)
Report Post »M-O-O-N Spells Moon
Posted on January 26, 2011 at 9:10pmWow, I find that I am more conditioned by racial political correctness than I thought I was. My first reaction was that they are so wrong for segregating kids based on race and gender. But reading the reason and the results, I have to say that these folks seem to be honestly trying to help their students and even getting results. It isn‘t the course I would’ve chosen, but if it helps these kids get serious about learning I have to say it’s a good thing. I’m surprised at this effort, and at my own reaction to it.
Report Post »Jhn'1
Posted on January 26, 2011 at 9:21pmEspecially when it is only minutes a day.
Report Post »Don’t worry, the Liberals will kill the program, and if the results would indicate success, those results will be suppressed.
valarie
Posted on January 26, 2011 at 9:39pmI love your screen name. I have to watch that movie again (or read the book.)
Report Post »Woman
Posted on January 26, 2011 at 10:30pmI too am puzzled. If some can be pulled back from the brink by a 7 minute homeroom and a great teacher, I’m for it.
Report Post »fivebyfive
Posted on January 26, 2011 at 9:08pmI agree with gender,
Report Post »but race perplexes me unless the lessons are race specific
hflndrs
Posted on January 26, 2011 at 9:23pm@fivebyfive
Report Post »What would be a race specific course? There is no reason we can’t learn about cultures, we may find we have more in common than we think. I also agree gender can be a distraction in the classroom. It was for me.
Dustyluv
Posted on January 26, 2011 at 9:31pmRace specific course…Suntanning…
Report Post »wildjoker5
Posted on January 26, 2011 at 10:45pmThis is about having the black teacher get through to the black kids because they blame whitey for their hardships. The Latinos, the Asians, middle eastern, Indians, you name the the other race, they know with hard work, you can succeed. Blacks seem to think they can just sit back relax because some of the ancestors 150 years ago were slaves. But so were alot of Asians and you don’t hear them complaining how it is so tough in america to be a minority.
Report Post »cogito ergo sum
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 9:15amI totally agree with you 5×5! Race specific classes is a reasonable intention for something like this. I think all kids should also be separated by gender as well. Is it really the same growing up in America no matter what race you are? I wonder…..
Cogito Ergo Sum
Report Post »Taquoshi
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 4:00pmIn our state, when the students take the achievement tests, the data is broken out by both grade level and by racial grouping. Although I don’t live in PA, the poorest performing group of students in our system are the black students and we constantly hear about how the District has to close the achievement gap between the black students and the white students.
Part of the problem is having the students become motivated. The other part is, as Booger pointed out earlier in the thread, is teaching the student to problem solve rather than answer questions by rote.
Report Post »N37BU6
Posted on January 26, 2011 at 9:06pmThey tried it here. Just Google “Wade Smith St. Patrick’s High School Nova Scotia”.
These freaks are everywhere… it’s how the race industry works. Their greatest fear is the end of racism.
Report Post »MAX FREEDOM
Posted on January 26, 2011 at 9:55pmAl and Jesse would be out of a job.This has got to the dumbest yet
Report Post »BrerRabbit
Posted on January 26, 2011 at 9:05pmIf it works, it is good!
Report Post »ovrwlmd
Posted on January 26, 2011 at 9:15pmIf educators can educate, if students become motivated and improve academically while gaining self respect and respect for others —- then by all means, do what works. If feelings are hurt, their focus probably isn’t about education.
Report Post »komponist-ZAH
Posted on January 26, 2011 at 10:43pm1) Abolish the unconstitutional federal Departement of Education and put education back under the states.
Report Post »2) Institute voucher programs.
3) Give parents more power over their local schools.
4) Reform curriculum to include Liberal Arts (the Trivium in particular — Grammar, Logic, and Rhetoric) and more history.
komponist-ZAH
Posted on January 26, 2011 at 10:47pmAnd lest I forget:
5) Encourage more homeschooling.
Report Post »booger71
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 12:18am4) Reform curriculum to include Liberal Arts (the Trivium in particular — Grammar, Logic, and Rhetoric) and more history.
Your right, kids can learn to solve equations, and regurgitate facts, but teach a kid to think for himself and to logically defend his position , he can find his way through life (or her).
Report Post »komponist-ZAH
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 12:59amPrecisely the point, Booger.
We ought to have an educational system whose goal is produce responsible, thinking individuals (which would mean more conservatives/libertarians ;) ).
Report Post »GONESURFING
Posted on January 26, 2011 at 9:05pmThere may be some merit to it , like all boys or all girl schools, but it seems to be going backward.
Report Post »DashRipRock
Posted on January 26, 2011 at 9:04pmReal winners these liberals
Report Post »TexasCommonSense
Posted on January 26, 2011 at 9:02pmImagine if we did that in Texas? It would be the civil war all over again.
Report Post »Dustyluv
Posted on January 26, 2011 at 9:29pmWe would have a whole lot more people of colot on our side this time though…
Report Post »TruthTalker
Posted on January 26, 2011 at 8:57pmThis will stir up the loons.
Report Post »Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Posted on January 26, 2011 at 9:33pmThey are renaming it Murtha High.
Report Post »Mister President
Posted on January 26, 2011 at 9:34pmPublic schools just need the ability to easily expel students who are disruptive or not performing. Not everyone should get an education if they aren’t willing to work for it. The people who don’t want to be there, no matter the color of their skin, are the ones who should be segregated from the the rest of the students.
Morgan Freeman showed how it‘s done in the movie ’Lean on Me’.
Report Post »exdem
Posted on January 26, 2011 at 10:23pmI am so sick of all the racist crap.Grow up already! If its beneficial then do it! All the race baiting is holding everyone back.
rwsasinger
Posted on January 26, 2011 at 10:29pmThis all sounds like a great idea. In a society plagued by political correctness it is refreshing to see someone in the education system recognize that their are racial and sexual differences; differences that contribute to the learning process. Sounds like opponents to this move are in favor of keeping with the insane norms they have supported for years….”Insanity–doing the same thing over and over and over and expecting a different outcome.”..I don’t know what studies the school district is using to support their decision; guess we must trust they have the data available and are using it properly in this decision.
Report Post »jzs
Posted on January 26, 2011 at 10:35pmIt‘s an experimen and I don’t have a problem with at all all as a liberal. The period of segregation – if I can believe what’s stated here – is brief. Sounds like something some PhD came up with to allow students with common background to exchange their successes and frusrations for a few energetic moments. Might help, might not. The kids will like it, but I hope this PhD has some way of measuring the results.
Report Post »wildjoker5
Posted on January 26, 2011 at 10:35pmWhat I find amazing is that only a black teacher can be a role model to these kids. What about their parents? And why is a black teacher the only “one to have gone through what they are going through? These kids were born in the 90′s, what do they have in common with the 50+ year old mam? The willful ignorance of the black community is why the % of their race far out numbers every other race in the welfare line. 12% of the population, but 20+% of people on welfare. I hope Al and Jesse do go there and see the difference the black teachers idea to educate the kids instead of having them just blame whitey.
MOVETERAN
Posted on January 26, 2011 at 10:49pmDon’t think I will hate saying this at all. We desegregated the schools for equality and got better results. Not sure what non-genius came up with this idea but whatever. Just going to cause trouble and make people angry.
Report Post »wildjoker5
Posted on January 26, 2011 at 10:57pm@move
That was when they (blacks) had something to fight for and prove they could do as well as their oppresors. Now they don’t even have to work to get housing and food, uncle Sam has adopted them and never cares if they move out or not.
CatB
Posted on January 26, 2011 at 11:02pmSo they want to divide out the black students to give them EXTRA HELP .. is that what I understand? … What about the underperforming white kids .. does no one care about them?
Report Post »cheezwhiz
Posted on January 26, 2011 at 11:06pmFor one day ,
EVERY WEEK, for one full year,
ask the parents / baby mamas/ baby daddys to come to the school in the evening,
and separate them by the achievement level of their kids ,
and look for commonalities . Those data will be mind boggling
:)
godlovinmom
Posted on January 26, 2011 at 11:11pmI think it would be interesting to see the results of this study…don’t think they were lying when they said they already saw good results…I know with any kid…black, white, or purple…if you got someone you could possibly be like …good or bad…kids will choose to be like that kid…and unfortunately in our children’s lives right now…there’s not too many good role models..in the 50‘s and 60’s black kids had good role models…MLK, rosa parks, to name a couple…now who do they have..vick, woods…hmmm…have we not let our children be led by the gangs and streets long enough…and not to mention mtv and like programming…if it helps them to do better ….why not…
Report Post »oldoldtimer
Posted on January 26, 2011 at 11:17pm6 minutes a day???? it would take that long just to get them seated and quiet.
click4cheapandeasyweb
Posted on January 26, 2011 at 11:57pmI see good and bad coming from this.
In certain school districts I can see this being a benefit. Then there are those districts that are in predominantly poor areas of cities like Chicago where socialist/communist thought is rampant. These segregated students will then be prime propaganda property just waiting to be programmed by mentors that follow a more Marxist way of thinking. Not only will this create two Americas, it will create two black Americas.
I want to see an America that teaches all that is good about America instead of this constant harping on only the bad. We can ackowledge the bad so we learn from it, but the old saying is true… “Americans always end up eventually doing the right thing”, and that is what the education of our history should be based upon. I would like to see every white, black, brown, yellow, etc, American learn to be proud of this great nation. That is NOT the goal of our educational system is at the present time. At times it seems to be based solely on AMERICA SUCKS, and I for one am sick of it!
Report Post »101
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 12:02amLancaster, Pa
Males: 27,030 (48.8%)
Females: 28,409 (51.2%)
White alone – 26,365 (47.0%)
Hispanic – 18,636 (33.2%)
Black alone – 7,540 (13.4%)
Two or more races – 1,462 (2.6%)
Asian alone – 1,213 (2.2%)
Other race alone – 681 (1.2%)
American alone – 176 (0.3%)
Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander alone – 43 (0.08%)
Black race population percentage below state average.
Report Post »Cobra Blue
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 12:42amI guess MLK’s march in Selma was all for nothing. We have gone from segregated to de-segregated an now back to segregation. I guess they want to teach Ebonics in the black classes. I see! Different races receive different tests, class structures and outcome based guidelines. You know they will make double sure all the minority and gender classes pass no matter what. If not, then the test would be graded as a failure. Makes sense to me. HEY AL and JESSE….how’s ya like dat…..
Report Post »RobertCA
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 1:30amDARMOK AND JALAD AT TANAGRA
Report Post »Posted on January 26, 2011 at 9:33pm
They are renaming it Murtha High.
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My Sacred Honor
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 2:27amOh, i do not believe i have been more angry at a story than I am now. Viewer Discration Advised.
Report Post »You, in your infinate wisdom, have decided that segrigation of students will help those who “want it more”??? THAT is the most cop-out sissy idea I have ever heard, and I am STUNNED that it would be implemented here in this year in the United States. I’ll tell you what, powers that be, how bout you take a look at your failing effing teachers and weed out those 60 or so percent who are just plain BAD at teaching and start from there? NO? You STILL want to segragate and pay those failtards for 40 years and then give them a 6 digit pension afterwards?
The “Type’ and “class’ of students are not to blame here, it is the fault of the PARENT who has failed by not having birth control and wanting to have sex anyway, getting pregnant and then not wanting to raise their child properly who is to blame. NOT the teachers and NOT the school system.
That being said.
The teachers who DO care in the school system should feel a personal responsibility to help these kids of uncaring parents, and many of these teachers do. The UNIONS, however, prevent teachers from caring and even rally against such actions as it “is not my job” to care, only to get their test scores higher (thank you Mr. Failbot Bush). Either make the schooling system the sole responsibility of the state which they reside and eliminate the unions, or our country is sunk in a hole.
A former Soviet KGB member and efector explains their strategy well in this interview in 1985.
Pay attention, he described then what is happenning now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RS8LA-5fmrs
KICKILLEGALSOUT
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 3:41amHome school. The government and Progressives have made Public schools and absolute failure.
Report Post »KICKILLEGALSOUT
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 3:49amOnce again how the idiot elite always try to make education a look at how the whites are outpacing blacks but never mention that fact that another minority group, Asians outpace them all in eduction. The whole problem relies with your family and cultural background and the proof lies in the fact that most Asian parents are very strict and place a high emphasis on education if Blacks did the same they would succeed as well because they are just as intelligent it is just a problem of being immersed in a culture of gangsters, drugs and women where education is frowned upon.
Report Post »nzkiwi
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 4:26am@ cheezwhiz
Report Post »Now THAT is an interesting idea. And I imagine then that the parents of the low performers might take a more active interest in their child’s schooling.
Polwatcher
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 5:39amWhy not use the tried and proven technique of separating ALL students by categories of IQ.
Report Post »Taquoshi
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 8:53amMr. President –
Let’s be clear here. Morgan Freeman was the ACTOR who played the role of Joe Clark, a real school prinicipal from Patterson, NJ who took a hard line with his students and ended up with kids who actually learned something.
In terms of separating students into groups based on race and gender for special coaching, I actually see no problem with it. The kids in the program have mentors and I suspect a number of non-black students also have mentors that work with them to encourage them to learn and study. If they can reach some of these kids and get them working on an acceptable academic level, more power to them. Apparently, according to the data – which comes from test scores and not some person sitting in a office saying, “Okay, how can we re-introduce segregation into the school – the students involved in the special sessions are the most vulnerable. They need help and it’s less distracting if they are not trying to show off for the opposite sex or be cool.
Our son, who was home schooled, attends a local community college and he was absolutely appalled at the behavior of the black students. If even a third of the stories he tells me are true, along with one scene I happened to witness while on campus one evening to pick him up after an evening class – these students need as much help as they can get.
Mentoring is a great program and it has helped many students across the board deal with issues in their lives because some grown up cares about them. For that five or ten minutes session, there is someone who is totally focuses on these students who need help, someone who cares about the student personally, someone who can help the student achieve more. And, sadly, for alot of those students, his/her mentor may be the only person who really does take an active interest in them.
I wish the principal, the school, the students involved and the mentors the best.
Report Post »mikem1969
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 8:56amThe kids segragate themselves anyway, just take a look at who hangs out with who before school, at lunch, and after school. Doing this will get rid of a lot of the distractions that keep kids from getting an education (well if they remove the liberal agenda from schools anyway). You will also have the loss of the racial excuse for the lack of education. It may or may not fly, but if it works, do it everywheere.
independentvoteril
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 10:13amFrom what I see it’s their HOMEROOMS that this effects.. Therefore it wouldn’t be much of a problem doing the same to the white students.. and it MIGHT be beneficial to them also.. From what I am hearing they have a bunch of WHITE kids while doing well in school are now being fed a bunch of WHITE GUILT propaganda.. maybe they could work on getting rid of that too.. It is a proven fact separating sexes DOES help in the learning process..NOW that’ an experiment the Private schools have has MUCH success with and the PUBLIC SCHOOLS should adopt..
Report Post »beekeeper
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 10:26amIf an identifiable group is underperforming by a significant amount it is simply wrong to deny them assistance because of their race or gender.
As the school mentions, the data (apparently) supports the need – opponents need to offer an alternative, not simply parrot half-understood constitutional principles.
Report Post »pavnvet
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 10:42amHere we have a principle that seems to want the students to actually learn. For minority students not to “dumb down,” it takes innovative approaches. No one is saying that the African American kids are totally segregated anymore than children that have learning disabilities are segregated because they have special education needs.
Of course, we will hear from Al Sharpton and Jessee and all the rest of the idiots out there that don’t see this as a way for people within their race to get ahead in life. They would rather see the children fail so they can continue to point a finger. I am so sick of it, I could scream.
Up here in the Northeast, we never had segregated schools, lunch counters or buses. Give the program a chance and then criticize if it doesn’t raise test scores. It sure won’t harm the kids and may be a big help.
Report Post »hempstead1944
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 1:31pmWhat did we buy all those buses for ?
Report Post »click4cheapandeasyweb
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 6:36pmhempstead1944
Posted on January 27, 2011 at 1:31pm
“What did we buy all those buses for ?”
To help out New Orleans in case they ever have a flood and hurricane come through… Oh, never mind.
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on January 28, 2011 at 2:48am“What do you think: Are segregated classrooms acceptable? Are academic achievement and racial cohesion mutually exclusive?”
No, they’re not mutually exclusive, if by “racial”, you simply mean skin color.
Unfortunately, this issue is complicated by the fact that some people’s cultural identity INCLUDES their skin color – such is the case with the “black community”.
Those who consider themselves as part of the “black community” have been raised to think of themselves as different based on the color of their skin.
Now, part of the educational disparity between the “black community” and others (including black people who do not largely identify themselves by the color of their skin), is due to the cultural teaching that the rest of the world owes them something. That is a cultural teaching and, as such, the color of their skin cannot be made to be the origin of their folly – that is to say, they are not born predisposed to hold a particular cultural identity, but rather they are raised to perpetuate the myth that it is even possible for the color of one’s skin to move “white people” to oppress “black people”.
Those who don’t perpetuate that myth get labeled as race traitors.
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