Packers Fan Fired for Wearing Team Tie to Chicago Office
- Posted on January 25, 2011 at 11:51am by
Jonathon M. Seidl
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John Stone loves his Green Bay Packers (can you blame him?). Even though he lives in Chicago, he proudly supports the “Green and Gold.” So after the Packers beat the Chicago Bears to win the NFC Championship game on Sunday and go to the Super Bowl, he wore his favorite Packers tie to work the next day. That didn’t go over too well with his employer, however, and after refusing to take it off he was fired.
Stone is car salesman for Webb Chevrolet in Oak Lawn, Chicago. The dealership is crawling with Bears fans, and even provides cars to Bears players. And when it comes down to it, the dealership‘s general manager admits Stone wasn’t fired for poor performance or a lousy attitude. He was fired for “salting the wounds” of Bears fans.
The Chicago Sun-Times reports:
The facts aren’t in dispute, only the appropriateness of the novelty neckwear.
“He said, ‘You have two options,’ ” a furious Stone said later Monday. “Remove the tie, or you’re fired.”
“When I didn’t, he said, ‘You can leave, you’re fired.’ Does that sound fair to you?” [...]
“I was just showing my love for my team and it was a nice, smart tie that matched my clothes — none of the customers minded: they had a sense of humor about it.”
[General Manager Jerry] Roberts agreed that no customers had complained about the tie when Stone was asked to remove it at 10:30 a.m., and that Stone was a good salesman who sold 14 cars last month.
But he said the tie was “salting the wounds” of Bears fans including himself and that it “makes it harder to sell cars in what’s already a competitive sales environment.”
Stone, who worked at the dealership for a month-and-a-half, was reportedly given five chances to remove the tie. He didn’t. And Roberts admits the tie didn’t violate dress code. If he would have worn it on Saturday, Roberts said, it would have been fine.
And what if he would have worn it had the Packers lost?
“I suspect he wouldn’t have worn the tie,” Roberts told the Sun-Times.
UPDATE:
Stone told sports radio host Dan Patrick he found a new job at a different dealership.
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Comments (172)
dealer@678
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 12:41pmThe worker should have used common sense and not worn the tie. Period
coalfired
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 12:40pmI’ll bet BO has a job waiting for him…..Football CZAR or something.
Report Post »drawls
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 12:30pmWell maybe the guy can get a job at Ford, an american car company. I don’t think I could work for Government Motors. Maybe obama told them to fire the tie guy.
Report Post »Daniel4
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 12:27pmYet another reason no to buy a Government Motors product! Has anyone let GM headquarters know that they have a nation-wide public relations mess to deal with?
Report Post »Hoosier Daddy
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 12:50pmI was a loyal GM customer until GM became Government Motors. They are dead to me now, as is Chrysler. Now it’s Ford or foreign.
Report Post »LLATPOH
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 12:24pmHe wasn’t under contract, so either party can end the employment relationship for any reason whatsoever. The employer gave him plenty of chances to remove the tie, and he chose not to.
Bottom line, whether the employee’s anecdotal evidence is true or not, the tie COULD have scared off customers. Customers = revenue. So think about it; a $15 tie or a $30,000 car sale. Hmm.
Employers can make any arbitrary rule they like at any time, provided it doesn’t force the employee to break the law. The employee needs to decide whether choosing to ignore their employer’s rule is worth losing their job.
That being said… I’m a Packers fan, but I don’t spew hatred toward my fellow Bears/Vikings/Steelers fans when I see them sport their logos. I think the boss needs to rethink his decision (and his life, for that matter) and rehire the employee, but no legal case exists here.
Report Post »txblaze
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 12:43pmI agree with your logic here. The guy was offered a job at another dealership, I believe, so he probably won’t be rehired. Locally, they will probably not suffer any bad business from this – people will probably flock to his lot to buy a car from the guy who stood up to the Packer fan. Nationally, they will probably look foolish.
Report Post »GO PACK!!
LLATPOH
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 12:49pmAgree with you 100% TXBlaze. And yes, Go Pack! :)
Report Post »greg4fitness
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 12:24pmHere we go… now they‘ll have to establish rules against wearing ties or any other apparal with team logo’s or anything on them so we’re not inflaming anyone to commit violence.
Report Post »Joisey
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 12:22pmThis guy has NO lawsuit whatsoever. Unless he had an employment contract, he is an “at will” employee. He can quit at will, and be fired at will. His employer had a commercial based reason for firing him (don’t P/O the customers). The Bill of Rights do not apply to private citizens or businesses, only the government.
Report Post »shagstar
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 12:18pmdamn it gonzo,,,,,,,,you stole my thunder!!! lmao
Report Post »Mackerel
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 12:11pmI would understand if he were wearing one of those stupid cheese heads to work. 3 days without pay and a written warning would have been a much more fitting punishment; as far as this Bears fan is concerned.
Report Post »White American Male
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 12:11pmDoes anyone really expect GOOD decision making from someone from Chicago? They don’t have a good track record…
Report Post »Chuck in Belpre
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 12:11pmI have to side with the owner here even though he seems to be a bit of an asshat. Is losing your job worth this? Change your tie and do your job.
Report Post »RightPolitically
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 12:10pmThe boss had the right to do this after the guy refused to remove the tie!
trolltrainer
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 12:19pmI beg to differ. It did not breach any dress code. I would agree that sometimes these cases are absurd, such as a cross-dresser who is responsible for networking with clients. But in this case…The boss even admited thagt had he wore the tie any other day…
Report Post »the_ancient
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 12:48pm@TROLLTRAINER,
AS a business owner, you should have be required to have a reason to terminate you, that should only come in to play when paying or not paying unemployment. Not to actually get rid of an employee. I can fire you if you look at me wrong, or if I just woke up on the wrong side of the bed, or if I am bored. IT IS MY BUSINESS
Report Post »TumbleBumble
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 12:52pmRIGHTPOLITICALLY – Of course he did. How scary it is to think that a boss, once he hires someone, cannot make decisions he feels necessary to run his business without worrying about a lawsuit. I am so tired of the knee-jerk jump to sue.
And for the record, I am a Bears fan and still irritated by the way the Bears played Sunday. If I walked into said car dealership and saw this guy with the tie, I’d be ticked. The owner has his finger on the pulse of the people here (remember all the burnt jerseys??). The former employee should have respected his bosses request.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 1:01pmThe boss can make the rules and set the dress code. But in this case he did not. He told the single guy to remove the single tie he did not particularly like. Then he admitted that any other day the guy would have been free to wear the same tie.
I will be curious if this is on Megyn Kelly this afternoon. Either way, it would be a frivolous suite, the dude needs to just cut his losses and find a better job.
Report Post »OneFootRandy
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 7:46pmThe GM felt the tie presented an unnessacary reminder to his clients about a loss they were still very freshly lamenting. Ofcourse he didnt want to offend any potential clients, he was right and the employee was wrong, I would have fired him too.
People get insane over sports just as they do over politics. Any of you want to buy a car from a salesman wearing a tshirt saying “YES WE CAN….again…2012″ ?? I know I would find another dealership.
Report Post »OklahomaBound
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 12:10pmThis salesman should thank his former boss because now he’s going to get a nice payday without having to sell cars. I’ll bet if the Bears had won and all the employees, except the Packer fan, came in the next day with Bears attire on there would not have been any firings and if it hurt the feelings of the Packer fan he’d just be told to man-up.
Report Post »CON-TEA-I-CAN
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 12:09pmObama stated that if the Bears won, he was going Dallas. If anyone needs to be fired, it should be the pathological liar and chief. Dallas should be very thankful that the bears lost. Obama would have screwed up the fans going to the game. Obama would have been the first sitting prez to attend a super bowl. Way to go Packers!!
Report Post »teaparty teamster
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 2:01pmCharles Woodson of the Packers already told OBAMA to stay home for the superbowl. NOBAMA or NO GAME!!!
Report Post »NICE NICE TACO
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 12:08pmStupidest owner ever. What a cry baby.
Report Post »cranberry
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 12:07pmI think all he would have to do is hire a lawyer to call the company and tell them there may be a suit, and he will get his job back. Pretty shortsighted of an employer to be that stupid about sports. What if he had a tattoo on his arm? would he have to cover it up or get it removed? The absurdity….Period.
Report Post »LLATPOH
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 12:40pmThat’s the thing, though. There’s no case here. Voluntary employment – can be terminated for any reason whatsoever.
He’d waste a lot of money on a retainer if he tried.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 12:07pmIf he gets away with it, I’m firing everyone that has an Obama bumper sticker!
Report Post »Hoosier Daddy
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 12:27pmJust don’t tell them why. You’ll have Holder on your a$$ for sure.
Report Post »LLATPOH
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 12:46pmIf the condition of the employee’s vehicle is part of the job requirement, then yes, you could fire employees with bumper stickers on their cars.
I believe many delivery establishments have that requirement already.
So, in my view, go to town. :)
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 12:53pmIf they voted for Obama I’ll just get rid of them for incompetence.
Report Post »taxedenuf
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 12:04pmSounds like the salesman isn’t smart enough to do anything more productive than car sales, and maybe not even that. But a word of advice, Move to Milwaukee for your next gig.
Report Post »NICE NICE TACO
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 12:10pmIs there something wrong with selling cars? Are you inferring people who do sell cars for a living are stupid or uneducated??
Report Post »wildjoker5
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 12:02pmWe are definitely a country of competitors.
Report Post »teaparty teamster
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 12:00pmDoes not surprise me in Chicago, no one there cares about the law or constitutional rights. This is the mentality of big city idiocy…
Report Post »the_ancient
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 12:46pmYour “1st amendment” rights STOP at MY property line, thus you do NOT have the right to wear or say anything you want IN MY BUSINESS. so if you work for me, you will follow my rules or leave period
Report Post »chuck_wagon
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 12:54pmWell said Ancient!
Report Post »Blackhawk1
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 12:55pmAncient
If that was true how the Government get away with telling bars they can’t allow smoking IN THEIR BUSINESSES?
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 12:56pmNormaly, yes…Though you can not discriminate. This might fall under that…easily…
But…In this case the guy was not breaking the existing dress code. The boss even admitted he could wear the tie any other day. The tie was not against the rules any other day. This guy has a case, though I do not know if I would bother with it…
Report Post »hologram5
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 1:20pm@the_ancient
Report Post »———————————
sorry to burst your bubble but unless there was a strict “dress-code” prohibiting this type of attire, there’s nothing YOU or the business can do about it. He was dressed appropriately and they had no right. Now, first amendment, as far as that goes, unless I use vulgar language that offends you or customers, my rights are not suspended at YOUR property line. Unless you have been involved in court cases regarding this, you shouldn‘t speak of what you don’t know…
the_ancient
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 2:05pm@BLACKHAWK1
They should not, and since most of these ordinances have not been tested on the constitutional level ut us unclear as it if they are in fact constitutional, my opinion is they are not.
@HOLOGRAM5
Yes infact many of your rights are, for example, if you come in to my home and say something I do not like I can REQUIRE you to LEAVE my home, by force if you refuse. If you come in to my business as an employee or a customer and say something or do something I do not like I can REFUSE SERVICE, or REFUSE EMPLOYMENT to anyone I choose as long as that is not based on Color, Sex, Religion or Sexual Orientation, Being a “Packers Fan” is not a Protected class
You need ot look up At Will, vs Just Cause Employment
Report Post »My guess is either
A> you are or come from a Union Background,
B> Live in one of the few Backward Just Cause states.
booger71
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 6:06pmIf that was true how the Government get away with telling bars they can’t allow smoking IN THEIR BUSINESSES?
It’s for the good of the little children (sarcasm off)
Report Post »Docrow
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 12:00pmwhy wear ties?
Report Post »J.C. McGlynn
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 11:58amLawyers are lining up already.
Report Post »Avidmonkey
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 11:58amEmotional decisions are a funny thing.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 11:57amcome on Roberts…Cool down and give the chump his job back…He is a Packers fan, we should all feel sorry for him….
GO STEELERS!!!
Report Post »grandmaof5
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 12:07pmTalk about thin-skinned. They can vote Obama in, be on the verge of bankruptcy, and put up with the corruption that defines Chicago, but they are offended by a tie. If I had voted for Obama, my city was on the verge of bankruptcy, and most of the unions and officials are corrupt, I think my anger would be better directed there and not at my salesman.
Report Post »Snowleopard the artist {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 1:14pm@Grandmaof5
I agree with you, this man does deserve to have his job back.
Good morning, hope the weather is fine today for you. Hope the cats enjoy the sunshine, if there is any today.
Report Post »IgnoranceH8r
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 1:45pmGrandma, you are the winner! I wondered how long it would take to bring Obama in on this story. Congrats! You found your spot and NAILED it. This whole comments board seems to be a Six Degrees of Barrack Hussein Obama game. I know that since the story had something to do with Chicago it was an easy round, but you pounced first so you are a winner.
Report Post »Untameable-kate
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 2:47pmIt was a silly reason to fire a good employee. He does have a lawsuit unless it is in the dresscode that you can’t wear an NFL tie. They asked him three times to take it off though, he admitted it himself. I don’t get the rabid NFL fans (or any sport really) who would rather tick off their bosses than take off an article of team spirit type clothing.
Report Post »grandmaof5
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 4:19pmKATE, I read that exactly the opposite. It was a good game, Chicago almost came back, but it’s over. The guy didn’t break the dress code and his boss is the one acting like a rabid fan. Grow up and be a good sport. This is what happens when everyone gets a trophy, you don’t learn to be a gracious loser.
SNOWLEOPARD, currently under a tornado watch until 9:00 pm, but the morning was quite pleasant. It is 4:30 and it looks like night time, it’s raining and the winds are really gusting. Never been in a tornado and really don’t want that experience today, or ever. Hope your weather is better.
IGNORANCEH8R, is that a good or bad thing? Or just par for the course?
Report Post »smithclar3nc3
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 11:55amSounds like he has a lawsuit to file.
Report Post »8jrts
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 11:59amProbably does have a lawsuit…he better hope the judge isn’t such a sore loser.
Report Post »BMartin1776
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 12:00pmYea a big lawsuit! That is the most absurd reason I have ever heard someone being fired over. The owner of the dealership should re-hire the guy and FIRE the GM!
Roberts is a jerk and needs to be on the street looking for work like the rest of us!
Report Post »nzkiwi
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 12:06pmThe boss is taking things just a tiny bit too seriously, I think. Firing a good salesman for supporting the opposing team is cutting off your nose to spite your face, as the saying goes….
Report Post »LibertyAdvocate
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 12:10pm@BMARTIN1776: As in, the rest of us are “jerks” or “on the street looking for work.”? J/K ;) Couldn’t resist the play on nonspecific references.
Report Post »Cherished Emblems
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 12:13pmSounds like they should’ve just wrote him a check there on the spot…
Report Post »Cemoto78
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 12:15pmHe’s better off not working for these losers.
GO PACKERS!
Report Post »Rowgue
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 12:24pmThere’s no lawsuit there. Unemployment compensation yes, a lawsuit no.
Report Post »Hoosier Daddy
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 12:25pmI have seen people fired for less…much less. I think it was capricious to fire him but it‘s not my dealership and I’m not going to tell somebody how to run their business. God, I hate people who are holier than thou. He was told to remove the tie and refused. He threw down the gauntlet and his boss b!tch-slapped him with it. Clearly, he was warned and made his choice. Life goes on.
Report Post »Thomas Parker
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 12:27pmYep, sour grapes. How juvenile… for him to rub it in… and for the dealership for firing him. Petty nonsense.
Report Post »blacksmith
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 12:38pmThis is how ridiculous that we have allowed our country to become! A dumbass game that kids play for free is one of the most important things in people lives. People are dieing for our country inforeign lands and on our own streets, our liberty is being attacked on a daily basis and we are being indebted into oblivion and this is the thing that people worry about. This is just another entertainment distraction for the ignorant masses like the circus in acient Rome. Continue to allow yourselves to be drawn into this sleepy ignorance and soon we will all be fed to whatever lions the rulers choose to feed us to!
Report Post »RWNJ01
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 12:42pmSure he may have a suit for wrongful termination if he was not a “at will” employee.
Report Post »the_ancient
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 12:43pmWhy would he have a lawsuit????
He did not follow the reasonable and lawful directions of his boss, you do that at your own peril.
The Owner’s and the owners agents (the sales manager, this guys boss) private Property rights outweigh and a WIDE WIDE margin his right to wear a tie, thus if they want to only support the Bears in their business that is their right, if he as an employee does not wish to support the Bears he is free to work at a place that shares his view’s, he DOES NOT have the right to push is view on to the business or their customers on the business’ property
Report Post »Grapeknutz
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 12:55pmI nthink every one who can needs to show up at the dealer wearing Packers clothing hats ties and rub it in the GMs face@
Report Post »patriot1770
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 12:55pmsounds like he will be getting a car dealship in the near future…
Report Post »hologram5
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 1:16pmRowgue
Report Post »Posted on January 25, 2011 at 12:24pm
There’s no lawsuit there. Unemployment compensation yes, a lawsuit no.
———————————————-
You obviously don’t know fed labor laws, this is clearly unlawful termination and can and will result in a lawsuit. The business will be paying the plaintiff his lost wages until suitable replacement employment is found.
KHeat
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 1:22pmThe owner doesn’t want his employee offending his customers. He gave him a choice and the guy chose the Packers over his job. My employees know that wearing Steelers colors is grounds for dismissal. It’s their choice.
Report Post »chfields62
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 1:31pmHe doesn’t have a leg to stand on……….The manager should have cut him some slack, but he was asked 5 TIMES to remove the tie. He should have removed the tie and it would be a non issue. He is the one to blame, how stupid can you be to blow a job over a friggin tie????????
Report Post »the_ancient
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 1:58pm@HOLOGRAM5,
BS, there is no federal law for unlawful termination, The only Federal Laws Bar Discrimination based on any “protected class”, sets a federal minimum wage and Overtime, Workplace Safety Standards.
At the Federal Level all Employment is “At Will”. Very Very few states are “Just Cause” states any more.
Report Post »chfields62
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 2:09pm@hologram5
Report Post »Most companies are “at will” employers, meaning you can quit or be fired for any or even no reason at all….
Rowgue
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 2:25pm@HOLOGRAM5
Illinois is an at will employment state, as the vast majority of states are. The only laws concerning unlawful termination deal with termination due to discrimination. Other than that you can be terminated for any reason at all. They don’t even need to have a reason. The only thing if a firing was justified or not determines is if you get unemployment compensation or not.
Five seconds and google could have led you to that super secret information, but I’m sure it was a lot easier to shoot your mouth off about something you have no clue about and throw in a lame attempt at an insult for good measure. Keep up the good work champ.
Report Post »mikelivi
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 2:33pmHey I love football and my Patriots, but this is going too far. LAWSUIT!!!!
Report Post »obamanation
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 2:42pmThat manager needs to grow up!
Report Post »medman28
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 3:00pmgood luck pulling an impartial judge in Chicago.
Report Post »101
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 3:57pmLooks to be GM Government Motors
Report Post »hud
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 4:29pmAnother case of you can’t cure stupid. Man was fired for stupidity, I‘m surprised he’s lived this long.
Report Post »jzs
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 4:48pmYour posts belong elsewhere folks. Since when does an employer not have the right to fire someone for any reason or no reason? Are you saying the government or courts should tell employers who they can and can’t fire? Should the government also tell someone when they can or cannot quit a job?
Report Post »mill
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 4:58pmwow…only in America the land of the “free”
Report Post »crazedbanshee
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 6:25pm@Mill..Land of the “free” does not mean you can do whatever you want with no consequence. His boss is “free” to fire him for not following directions, or for no reason at all. This guy was “free” to take the tie off or not, his options were clear and he made the choice. Sounds like a petty boss and a bad employee, but they are “free” to be that way.
Report Post »OneFootRandy
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 6:51pmWhy would he have a lawsuit? Dont like the rules? start your own dealership. Everything has to be a lawsuit, give me a break. Taking off a tie is hardly a hardship.
Report Post »ishka4me
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 7:34pmWth the other fools that live in Chicago, it will probably work for the sales dept.
Report Post »Highmiles
Posted on January 25, 2011 at 9:36pmWhat a ridiculous comment. What would he sue for? He has no guarantee for employment, he is there at the bosses pleasure. As for the tie, it didn’t get him fired, his idiotic refusal to remove it, got him fired. The part of the story not covered is that the dealership is currently under a promotional agreement with the Bears, and wearing that tie hardly works within the guidelines of the agreement.
Report Post »How about returning to the idea of personal responsibility for your actions. The idiot could have taken off his tie and kept his job, BUT HE CHOSE not to. There are consequences for your actions, why is he excused from that concept?