Palestinians Want an Even Bigger State Than the 1967 Borders
- Posted on September 27, 2011 at 12:46am by
Sharona Schwartz
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When the Palestinians presented their bid for statehood at the UN Friday, most news outlets suggested Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas was aiming for a state based on 1967 borders covering only the West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem.
A closer look at the actual letter he presented to UN Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon applying for UN membership reveals the Palestinians are aiming for far more territory.
As reprinted in the Telegraph, Abbas’s letter reads:
“This application for membership is being submitted on the Palestinian people’s natural, legal and historic rights and based on United Nations General Assembly resolution 181 (II) of 29 November 1947 as well as the Declaration of Independence of the State of Palestine of 15 November 1988 and the acknowledgement by the General Assembly of this declaration in resolution 43/177 of 15 December 1988.”
Lots of dates are cited here. Let’s take a closer look. Abbas says his people’s “rights” are based on the 1947 UN Resolution. That year refers to the UN Partition Plan, the same plan all Arab states rejected and the Jews accepted for their homeland, after which those Arab neighbors declared war on Israel.
These maps from GBTV reveal the land allotted to the Jewish State under the 1947 Partition Plan was in fact much smaller than that afforded under 1967 borders.
Though President Obama has endorsed Palestinian demands — stated until now — that their future state be based on 1967 borders, Israel says borders should be based on the outcome of negotiations. If Abbas’s proposal is accepted by the UN Security Council, gone from Israel is Jerusalem its capital and home to the sites most sacred to Jews and Christians. Also gone: Ben Gurion Airport just outside Tel Aviv, the country’s only major international airport.
The blog Israel Matzav explains the significance:
“It would mean no Jerusalem and no airport. Even more indefensible borders than the 1949 armistice lines. The ‘Palestinians’ ignore Security Council Resolution 242, which requires that Israel be left with ‘defensible borders’ and says nothing about a ‘Palestinian state.’”
There are other alarming suggestions the Palestinians are not being upfront in stating their intentions regarding the size of the state they aim for.One of the sticking points in restarting negotiations with Israel is the Palestinians’ continued opposition to recognizing Israel as a Jewish State. In fact, last week a round of talks aimed at restarting peace negotiations broke up over “Abbas’ refusal to recognize Israel as a Jewish State.”
Secondly, the Palestine Liberation Organization’s current logo on its UN Observer Mission website suggests it wants the entire state of Israel incorporated into its future state – not just the West Bank and Gaza. The map on the logo appears to suggest the goal is to wipe Israel completely off the map. The Weekly Standard posted this:
Here is the logo:
Compare the green on this logo to the above maps and you’ll see Israel has vanished.
But Mahmoud Abbas is the “Palestinian Authority” President, not the PLO’s. Not quite. Note how Abbas signed his letter to Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon: “Mahmoud Abbas, President of the State of Palestine, Chairman of the Executive Committee of the Palestine Liberation Organization.”
Looking at the moving borders raises the question: are Mideast agreements ever final, and how does Israel ensure its own security if they are not? One indication they are not came over the weekend, when Mahmoud Abbas said he wants to bust open part of the Oslo Agreements with the Israelis called the Paris Agreement and renegotiate. On his plane as he was traveling from New York back to Ramallah, Abbas told journalists:
“We want to reopen the Paris Agreement and make changes to it…The agreement is not fair and there are restrictions on Palestinians that prevent our economy from growing and prospering. The Paris Agreement does not give us the opportunity to develop our economy and our country.”
Right now the ball is in the court of UN Security Council (UNSC) members. It will be interesting to see how each votes. Since losing its capital city and main airport as well as other strategic assets would be a non-starter for Israel, the votes on these 1947 borders will reveal if UNSC members are sincere in their desire for peace in the Middle East, if they recognize Israel’s right to security (and honoring UNSC Resolution 242), or if they are paying lip service to the Palestinians.
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fixer
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 3:14ami think when the end comes Israel will turn the Gaza strip into a sea of glass,along with Iran.
Report Post »upadastra
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 3:11amWhy is the world so anxious to see yet an other Arab failed-state dictatorship led by a bunch of corrupt, lying, murderous, terrorist supporting, black stone idolators see the light of day? I think there are already way enough of those.
Report Post »Ken
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 1:24pmI would ask that question to our current president!!! HE wants pre-1967 borders! So let’s just let those terrorist mofos just expand their murderous territory! What will they do when they’ve killed all us infidels? Probably kill each other, I expect!!!
Report Post »Bullhorn Guy
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 1:44pmAnd in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.
Report Post »Zechariah 12:3
UPSETVET
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 3:06pmGive a rat some cheese and he’ll come back for some ham to make a sandwich. When is the UN and other naive organisations going to realize that it’s not about a Palestinian State but about the destruction of the Israeli State and the extermination of the Jews.
Report Post »Falsegods
Posted on September 28, 2011 at 12:53amBen,
Report Post »Kick the PLO out. Let their Islam kin take them in, LOL. Even their kin don‘t want ’em !
Diane TX
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 2:51am“Oh that You would bless me indeed, and enlarge my territory, that Your hand would be with me, and that You would keep me from evil.” – The prayer of Jabez to the God of Israel.
Report Post »UnCommIN
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 4:38amIf you could ask GOD question, what would you ask? Post your question at http://UnCommIN.com on Twideo
Report Post »Sheepdog911
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 5:55amAnd that the Palestinians want more is news why? They shhould have no rights, but the right to go back to Jordan.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 6:38amIt still amazes me why Americans believe they have a say about Israel at all. Do we? And why?
Also, after returning from Babylon and restoring Israel and the Temple, why did the Jews leave? What group led to them leaving in this time period?
What I’m fighting for is worth far more then silver and gold. What I’m fighting for is a chance to unite the past, when broken souls come home at last! I
‘m the arrow, your my bow, shoot me forth and I will go!
Report Post »UPSETVET
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 6:40amA person would either have to be NAIVE(easily deceived) or just plain STUPID to believe the goal of the Palestinians is not the destruction of the State of Isreal and the extermination of the Jewish race.
My maternal grandfather, Eli Kloninger, was from an influential German Jewish family. He and his brothers imigrated to the USA in the early 1900′s and therefore escaped the Nazi Holocaust.
Unfortunately most of the other family members perished in the Nazi extermination camps from 1933 to 1945. The few survivors immigrated to the USA and Israel from 1946 to the early1950′s. If the Palestinians receive statehood recognition from the UN the Israelis will be facing a second and more horrible holocaust. THIS CAN NOT and WILL NOT HAPPEN ! God bless Israel and the Jews.
Report Post »loriann12
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 6:54amIf the Palestinians lay down their weapons, the Middle East will have peace. If Israel lays down her weapons, there will be no Israel. (President of Israel, can’t spell his name.)
Report Post »Andy
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 7:41amGod’s promise to his people:
Report Post »1Chr 4:10 And Jabez called on the God of Israel, saying, Oh that thou wouldest bless me indeed, and enlarge my coast, and that thine hand might be with me, and that thou wouldest keep [me] from evil, that it may not grieve me! And God granted him that which he requested.
rangerp
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 8:08amwant in one hand, and poop in the other. See which hand fill up faster
Report Post »Detroit paperboy
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 8:21amThank you Obama….for emboldening Isreals radical enemies,
Report Post »Then again , Obama IS a radical enemy of Israel……2012
Servant Of YHVH
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 8:46amAMEN sheepdog!
Report Post »The news is that they are saying that abba and them only want the 1947 borders which is hogwash. If they were to get the land that they want then Israel wouldn’t have to worrry about no airport because there would be no Israel. I do agree with you on Jordan since Jordan is the one that has stolen and is occupying the palestinian land.
Luke21
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 9:31amAmericans (incl you) don’t have a say Okie, neither does the UN, nor the arab refugees that call themselves the PLO. GOD does – He has the say, the first & the last.
On the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying: “To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the River Euphrates—the Kenites, the Kenezzites, the Kadmonites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Rephaim, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.”
(Gen 15:18-21)
Reiterated WITHOUT condition as an everlasting possession in Gen 17:8.
Reiterated & confirmed to ISAAC in Gen 26, again W/OUT condition: ..I will perform the oath which I swore to Abraham your father. Gen 26:3
Again reiterated & confirmed also W/OUT condtion to Jacob (aka ISRAEL) in Gen 35:10-12 & Moses in Exo 23.
God gave His land to Israel’s descendants (who inherited it from his father Isaac, confirmed by God, who in turn inherited it from his father, Abraham – also confirmed by God).
Its an inconvenient truth to those who hate Israel & those that say they are Jews & are not (Rev 2:9 & 3:9) – & for those that believe the church replaces Israel … but then they struggle so violently against the opposition of reality & their own belief – for if the Jews don’t have a God given right to the land, what on earth are they doing there in the 1st place, especially after all this time? Maybe God says what He means & means what He says. He keeps His pr
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 9:46am@Luke
Good morning! Can you answer why after returning from Babylon and rebuilding the Temple the Jews left the land God gave them?
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 11:27am@ Luke
I thought for sure by now you would have posted the answer. Well let me help you out.
AFTER Jesus was crucified and ceased the offering and oblation, a people under the Prince’s authority from a Northern empire came and destroyed the Temple, every stone over turned, and dispersed the Jews throughout their Kingdom, banned them from their land and since, the land has been over ran with Gentiles, kinda like a flood. What empire was that? Pagan Rome in 70 AD…..
That’s weird, where have I read that before……Oh, that’s right, Daniel 9:26-27…………………………….
True history……Have a great day Luke!
Report Post »ConservDadASD
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 2:01pmOkie… i‘m not sure what you’re getting at in your response to Luke.
Yes, the Romans came in and took over. And after tolerating the instability (from their perspective) of Israel long enough, it decided to do something about them. So it burned Jerusalam, destroyed its temple, and killed or chased out quite a lot of Jews. The Jews were dispersed from Israel into the rest of the world. Christ foretold this prior to His crucifixion. And the reason for this dispersal was that the children of Israel believed not the Deliverer that God provided. But this dispersal, like the captivities to Assyria and Babylon, did not void the covenant to Abraham/Isaac/Jacob that this land was meant for them to dwell in. Unlike the Old Covenant which passed on after the New Covenant was established, this other covenent still stands.
The prophets and Jesus Himself basically look forward to the future when Isreael would be revived and re-established…. and thus it has been. It has been transformed in the past 60 or so yrs from a beduoin dwelt desert (that it turned into shortly after the dispersal) to a thriving country whose agriculture feeds a good portion of Europe and the rest of the world. God has truly brought back his people and there is more to come in both populations growth and advancement.
In essence, the Holy Land is really divinely owned territory. He gives it to whom He wills and he chooses to give it to the Jews. It would be foolish to try to take it away.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 5:06pm@Comservdadasd
Howdy! Since you asked, Luke and I disagree on God’s Word and without knowing it, I believe you help validate my side of the argument. Please allow me to explain. Luke believes in a 7 year tribulation and/or the 70 weeks haven’t even started yet. My faith believes the 70 weeks are complete due to Jesus being the last sacrifice and oblation. Guess it depends on who Jesus is in your faith. My faith believes Jesus ended sin by repentance. Luke doesn’t. To each his I suppose.
Daniel 9 has 70 weeks.
Call to rebuild temple begins it.
Jesus, the Messiah, is cut off in the middle of the 70th week. (notice AFTER 62 weeks of 9:26 in Daniel)
Stephens death, 3 1/2 years after death of Jesus, sealed or diminished the 70 weeks.
After the 70 weeks completion people of Rome came and over ran Israel and since has been flooded with Gentiles as described in Daniel 9:27 and as told in Matthew by Jesus Himself as you said.
Of course, could just be coincidence. Just something to consider. Hope your day is great!
Report Post »Luke21
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 8:31pm@ConservDadASD
Thanks brother – I’ve tried w/ Okie. I love him in Christ but he & I do disagree on quite a bit (but not, as far as I know, on Jesus’ identity) so I believe he’s a brother. I really don’t care whether one believes in the great & terrible day of the Lord (aka tribulation), as it is not a salvation issue, but I do care about our Jewish cousins and repeating the atrocities of the past as the world seems all too bent on doing so – again. Grace & Peace to you of our Lord & Savior Jesus Christ.
@Okie – sorry for not writting, I went off to work. Anyway ConservDadASD couldn’t have given a better response. So what he said…. :-) Shalom (Grace of the Lord Jesus to you as well)
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 10:06pm@Luke
Really? That’s odd, shall I go back to the post where you declared Jesus didn’t do away with sin? And to tie my belief of the 70 weeks complete with not appreciating Israeli’s or Jews is very insulting.
I do understand history, God‘s promise to the Israeli’s/Jews/Gentiles and what the Bible says about it. If you want to stop the atrocities of history, quit denying it. Live in truth or live a lie. You will be held responsible for your choice and all those you effect with your words. Keep that in mind.
Jesus Christ died for sin, and ended sin for those who who believe and repent. To believe otherwise is to believe Jesus wasn’t the Messiah and is belief in a false Jesus. Find truth Luke, your soul depends upon it. Take care.
Report Post »Twinspeedr
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 2:45amThe Palestinians have been underlings in their own land for centuries, they never bitched loudly until the governing forces were Jewish, and Western culture emasculated itself with suicidal levels of political correctness. Palestine would be the saddest, poorest, desert country in the middle east if it was not for the Israelis. This is the beginning of very bad things in that area…
Report Post »rose-ellen
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 7:51amThey were left alone under the ottomans, the euopean zionists interlopers wanted their land and even their homes to set up a state under their rule. completely different then some beureucrats far away .another false narrative to deny equal rights to palestinian arabs -a blatant violation of aamericans professed belief that all people have equal rights.yes the arabs fought the creation of the state of israel. That was then. Now they would accept the original 48 borders. That is a concession considering they were negatively impacted by the creation of israel. The israelis should live up to their obligation and return to the borders that are rightfully theirs-the original borders of 1948.They show bad faith by building more settlements and living in the past [the fact that the arabs struggled against the unjust creation of the israeli state].Today they would accept israel proper -not 67 annexation which is illigal and unjust.
Report Post »Steve
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 8:08amLIES! No proof just distorted half truths turned into Propaganda.
Report Post »LIBERTARIAN T38
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 8:45amNice try Encicom, or Mr. President. Complete nonsense. Complete ignorance of history. Complete hatred. Complete liberalism.
Report Post »Thomas Payne
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 9:28am@ Rose-Ellen
What does it feel like to be an idiot?
Report Post »floridaconservative
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 10:42am@ rose ellen Your anti simitism is showing. Isreal was attacted in 1967 by the arabs and they lost. The land was spoils of war. if the arabs were so worried about thier land then they should have just left them alone. I know by your post that you hate the Jews it shows in all of your post. you talk of consessions but you think that the only ones that should conceed is the Isrealies. Wrong as usual Rose You may try to rewrite history but you cannot rewrite the facts. Why don’t you go over to the Huff-Po they like your kind there?
Report Post »Elena2010
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 4:21pm@Rose — until Arafat, Palestinians was the name given to the Jewish inhabitants of the land. Everyone else was an Arab. Most of the so-called Arab Palestinians were Egyptian and Syrian. Arafat himself was Egyptian and commandeered the name Palestinian for the expat Arabs living there. Those expats were workers imported by the Brits when they controlled the area.
Your rage is misplaced and misinformed.
Report Post »MakeTheMiddleEastAGlassFactory
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 4:54pmIf this happens expect Israel to declare war on said “state ” and destroy it in short order.
Report Post »discus02
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 2:45amThere was and never will be a Country called Palestine. That is a Roman Name given to the area they conquered it’s original name name was Judea. Not Palestine. These people are rejects from Syria, Egypt, Iraq. Islam check your facts if you get the time.
Report Post »vennoye
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 11:26amThe only reason these people are there is because the land NEVER prospered under anyone until more Jewish people came back into the land. The “Pals” came there to live and work because everywhere else was barren and desolate.
IF the UN accepts Abbas’ statehood plan, we will see the true depth of evil in the UN. They will be accepting the total annihilation of the Jewish state because of indefensiable borders! Puts them right up there with the Third Reich to me.
Report Post »antrancher
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 1:13pmFinally….someone intelligent in this blog!
Report Post »riseandshine
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 2:32amMight as well aim high.
Report Post »scout n ambush
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 2:24amThe UNRWA is moving out of Gaza and setting up shop in Jordan they know what their pal’s are getting ready to do.
Report Post »Aviyah
Posted on September 28, 2011 at 11:23pm“The UNRWA is moving out of Gaza and setting up shop in Jordan they know what their pal’s are getting ready to do.”
Really Scout N Ambush? Can we get a link?
Report Post »waspanglosaxon
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 2:20amThe Palestinians want back the land that was stolen from them to create ‘Israel’. Giving it back to them in order to insure future peace in the MIddle East (and thus no more mini-wars for the USA) would be a small price to pay. In addition, we Americans would get our government back from the Zionist puppet-masters. Such a deal!
Report Post »MollyTheWhiteWolf
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 2:37amThe Palistinian Government are no different than the bullies that you see in schools across the world. If you give into ANY of their demands, they demand more…and more…and more, until thee’s nothing left. Palistine won’t be satisfied until Israel is wiped off of the face of the Earth.
Israel has willingly given more and more of THEIR land to Palistine. Palistine owes THEM and should find satisfaction with what they have. If they can’t they need to grow a pair and look towards Jordan. Palistine’s greed for land will be their own undoing and downfall.
Report Post »Steve
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 2:47amIt’s time to go back inside and take your meds now Mr. Saxon. Be a good little boy now. We don’t want any trouble. That’s it. We’ll put the TV on for you tonight. and yes you can wear your Aluminum foil hat with your bunny slippers. That’s it. Take it alllll down good……no no. all the monsters are asleep. your safe now…..thats it. sleep tight……
Report Post »discus02
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 2:51amI am a Christian and a Supporter of Israel. Go ahead Mohammed Followers child rapist. murderer and many other transgressions against the G-d of Abraham and Isaac. Islam murders and butchers all!
Report Post »mlcblog
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 3:17am..insure peace in the midEast… I have a nice bridge I can sell you, too.
Report Post »Incredulous321
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 4:15amYou are nuts. How about we kill all the Palestinians. Then nobody would be bitching, and the rest of the evil Muslim world could give it a rest for awhile. The land wasn’t stolen, it was conquered. That’s what happens when you throw in with Hitler. Then, in defense, the Israeli’s beat back the hordes and took more land, as defensable space, and as reparations. They’ve earned the land with their blood. The problem isn‘t the Israeli’s, it’s the Palestinians. If they could curb their animal instincts for a while, they could live in peace and prosperity within the Jewish state of Israel. But, they would rather throw rocks at babies, murder families, and launch rockets into innocent populations. The peace process is never going to work. So, if you want peace the answer is to put the animals down. The ones that aren’t killed could be relocated to……Iran maybe. I‘m sure you’ll think this solution is nuts. But, it‘s no nuttier than this oh poor Palestinian rant that I’m sick of. You want the Jews dead. Fine. I want the goddam heathen murdering animals you call Palestinians dead. Are we making progress?
Report Post »Steve
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 4:36amNow now now Mr. Saxon. Come back to bed…no no no I told you already the Monsters are all asleep…no no there no one in your closet…see…….OK good. Come back to bed now..Look there’s a good movie on….Lets relax and watch it OK. That’s it hold Mr. Fluffy. It’s OK to rock back and forth Mr.Fluffy is your friend…..no no no stop biting Mr.Fluffy’s head come on thats it relax….Let go …come on let it go. We‘ll sew Mr Fluffy’s head back on later just spit it out so we can do that OK? Let it go….no no….OK we’ll have to wait till you do a number 2 to get his head now….lets relax and watch the movie, OK? Good. It’s a real good one. Full of historical facts and lessons no one seems to know about…..yes you can hold my hand………wait no no you cant eat my fingers. lets watch the movie OK.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyYoAoHVOFQ
Report Post »checkit
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 5:27amAs you put it, “… We Americans…”
A tip for you, Us Americans don’t refer to ourselves as , “We Americans” So when your posting and trying to act like a citizen of the U.S you might want to post more like an American.
But hey good try.
discus02
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 2:45am
Got the facts correct.
These Palestinians never existed, they are the people the Jordan, Syria, Eygpt and Saudi Arabi did not want to allow to come back. They are the (for a lack of better word) Rejects of the arab world.
If they weren’t they would have been permitted to enter into Eygpt, Syria, Jordan etc… and live there. These people then were used as pawns by the arab nations, they have no claim to the land and are actually Blessed to have Israel there to take care of them.
Arabs that live in Israel, live better then arabs in any other nation in the middle east.
Israel should not give into any more demands on trading land for peace, there will never be peace for land, the arabs want all of Israel.
Report Post »Lonescrapper
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 6:06am@Incredulous
Exchange the word “Jews” for “Palestinians” and you have the Palestinian peace plan in a nutshell.
Report Post »USACommoner
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 10:19am@ Molly: If you give into ANY of their demands, they demand more…and more…and more, until there’s nothing left.
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Sounds like modern-day liberals and democrats to me. No wonder they are all on the same side…
We should get out of the UN and stop giving them our money.
Report Post »seelsrants
Posted on September 28, 2011 at 11:00amPeople like waspanglosaxon and rose ellen aren’t ignorant of the truth; they just hate Jews. There was always Jewish presence in Israel and Arabs have constantly attacked Jewish communities long before there was even talk of a Jewish State. The Arabs who “lived” in Israel were nomadic wanderers that did nothing to develop the land. As Mark Twain noted the country was desolate and malaria-infested marshland. There NEVER was an Arab “Palestine” and to insist Israel go “back” to borders that never “legally” existed is ridiculous and ignorant. The Arabs refused to accept Israel and though they could kill off Israel in 1948. Guess what? They lost and now idiots like rose want a reset!? Not happening! In fact, if Netanyahu had the guts he would annex every settlement and state unequivocally that every missile fired from Gaza would mean 10 square miles less land in any future peace deal. Let the lying Arabs know that there is a price to be paid. The “world” wants a proportionate response? Let Israel give it to them. Enough coddling and more action.
Report Post »Aviyah
Posted on September 29, 2011 at 12:23amI know you are wrong, Waspanglosaxon, because most of the world agrees with you.
Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? ~ 1 Corinthians 1:20
And, just as a practicle matter, it defies logic that a people with a state the size of New Jersey are responsible for this ongoing conflict. Just consider how Muslims “revere” the mosque which they planted squarely on God’s Holy Mountain ~ They pray with their back sides aimed at it. They throw rocks at one another, tearing up the joint, while feuding inside of it! And we are to believe this whole conflict revolves around “their beloved land”?
Before Israel was destroyed by the Romans, Christ foretold that when Israel was restored two figs would be planted. One would produce good fruit and the other evil fig would produce rotten fruit. Now you tell me, which one is producing things that benefit others and which one’s evil branches are producing nothing but rottenness and despair and delivering it to literally every continent?
Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruit ye shall know them
Report Post »Anton Phibes
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 2:12amI think Israel should do whats best for their country/ people and screw all the armchair quarterbacks who arent living in the middle of Terroristville like they are. These Palestinian dorks actually thought the US was going to pressure Israel into 1967 borders, and thats why they now say :”Oh—silly me. 1967 is no good for us. It must be 1947 and Israel marched into the sea. Then there can be peace. Yessiree buddy, Allah Admiral Ackbar” .
Get a clue—there will never be peace over there until they have killed Israel. As long as one Jew breathes they will never be happy. Then, once Israel is gone, they will unite the whole Middle East under Islamic law and attack the US (after killing everyone over there who doesnt agree with their Caliphate). The consider Jews sub human. The lowest of the low.
Everyone wants to know what Obama was going to say in his speech when he said “Jew” and then changed it to“ janitor”. Bottom line: he has listened to too many of these other nations who refer to the lowest form of life being the “Jew dog”. It’s stuck in his brain now because he is clearly the most anti-Israel President we have had. He was probably going to say “Jew dog” in his speech and then realized/remembered who he was addressing. Then he swapped it out for janitor.
The only one who will bring peace to the Middle East is the Anti-Christ. But I aint looking for him anytime soon. The wars will continue….and eventually Israel will roll over them. Always have.
Report Post »SlimnRanger
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 10:02amIsrael will not be destroyed,i do wish people would read the Bible,Israel will come under attack and many lives lost but Israel will stand,cause Jesus will come back and destroy all of the enimies that had come against Israel in war,and after that Jesus Christ,the King of Kings and Lord of Lords will set up his kingdom there,for 1000 years
Report Post »jdog777
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 2:12amthere is already a palestinian state… it is called Jordan.
Report Post »ChiefGeorge
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 2:07amI’m getting really fed up with these people! This thing goes around and around again. Who would have guessed they wanted the whole shootin match. GB would!
Report Post »hitbackfirst
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 2:02amANY “Palestinian” state is a surrender to the terrorists and an insult to the West!
Report Post »Cosmos102
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 1:59amPalestinians are risking to ask something so atrocious because they have been emboldened to do so by our Dear Leader, Barrack Hussein Obama. A.K.A. the Jew hater.
Report Post »Tovia
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 1:42amhttp://t.co/c7smiXsC MUST SEE RE PLO LIES!!!
http://youtu.be/lmmsUDbwsv0 MUST SEE: ISRAEL
Report Post »Steve
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 2:41amThank you so much for those two links.
The truth must be head.
Report Post »Steve
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 2:51amshhhh Mr. Saxon…..go to sleep it’s OK. There’s nothing under your bed. (Still joking from about 8 posts up waspanglosaxon)
Report Post »vennoye
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 10:34amThank you, Tovia!!
Report Post »Suzanne
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 4:05pmYes, thank you for those links, and also the links you provide often, Steve….I bookmark all of them and read them later. The truth is what we need to boldly rebuke prevalent Islamic lies, mis-information.
Report Post »colonial10
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 1:35amI think that Egypt should give the Palestinians the Sinai peninsula and let them keep Gaza. That would be the perfect state for them. Let Israel stay the way it is? What the hell is wrong with these bone heads. It just shows that they are selfish.
Report Post »Chuck Stein
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 2:02amI have thought the same thing — as far back as the early 1980s.
Report Post »Steve
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 2:53amIt shows that this has it’s nothing to do with land and everything to do with the complete and utter destruction of the Jewish people!
Report Post »Been that way since the 7th century.
jb.kibs
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 1:33am“You can’t always get what you want. But if you try sometimes, well you just might find, you get what you need.” – The Rolling Stones.
Report Post »titan
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 1:29amno question about it this is where world war lll will start. with those porky pig Palestinians wanting “the jews wiped out” and that is there words and all the other countrys around them agree. there will never be peace….never.
Report Post »Tovia
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 1:28amRemember there is no such thing as the Palestinian people. Arafat was born in Cairo. This is a modern invention. Ask yourself, how many generations after your parents came to this country should you be considered a refugee? Why does the UN have a special definition only for Palestinian Refugees that apply to no other people?
Beck has it right: US OUT OF THE UN and UN OUT OF THE US!!! Lets stop funding that absurd sham! When terrorists Chair the Security Council, we must not waste our money our give this evil an audience!
Report Post »Tovia
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 1:21amThis is a 2 STAGE SOLUTION NOT a 2 State solution! Abbas is a terrorist in a business suit. Remember he formed FATAH, which has more blood on its hands from suicide bombings then Hamas! IN 2002, I visited a few weeks after the site of their evil handiwork at the Park Hotel in Netanya where they blew up a Passover Seder killing 28 and wounding 140! These are pure evil cowards who glorify death!. Abbas is also credited with financing the cold blooded murder of the Israeli Olympic team in 1974 in Munich. Abbas speaks of 63 yrs of “occupation” which means he is going back to pre 1948 prior to the formal recognition of the modern state.
Please see the following youtube which Debunks the Palestinian Myth and Lies: http://t.co/c7smiXsC
Report Post »db321
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 1:21amIt does not matter what the UN does for Palestine’s – according to the Bible they will break it in 3 1/2 years. Game over for the Bad guys at that time – God Bless Israel.
Report Post »Talmid of Yeshua
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 1:19amThis is no surprise to anyone with any common sense. mu-slums want the whole state of Israel destroyed.
Islam is, without a doubt, the Beast that arises from the sea, that carries the scarlet woman. Babylon, oh ancient Bablyon… you are Islam.
Will you take the mark of the Beast?
Report Post »jb.kibs
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 1:27ami want a million dollars…
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 1:44am@Talmid
No way Islam is the beast of the Sea. Doesn’t match prophecy at all. Also, the sea beast takes a head wound, has it healed and has a Land beast assisting in making an image of it. Then the Mark is enforced.
Islam has rose 3 times, this being the 3rd. Woe!
There is only one Church who rode the Nations and took a head wound that was later healed.
There is only one Nation who rose out of the land, performed miracles in the sight of the healed first beast and has created an image (structure just like first, not a rock or idol) that speaks.
Reread those revelation verses now and look at history. All should all make sense then…..oh and look up what Church was also called Babylon…….Have a great night…..
Report Post »Aviyah
Posted on September 28, 2011 at 11:06pmAmen to that Talmid of Yeshua.
Report Post »Aviyah
Posted on September 29, 2011 at 1:03amYou are so wrong Okie. If Islam is not the whore of Babylon I’ll eat my hat. Please name one Biblical prophecy that it does not match precisely with. Muslims await the day when a “beast” will write his name in their foreheads. The Islamic symbol which they currently wear upon their right arms and foreheads (which bears the name of Allah) is A MIRROR IMAGE of ‘Chi Xi Stigma’ as recorded in the Codex Vaticanus (a.k.a. 666 or the name & number of the beast). Muslims deny that Christ is the Son of God and they deny that he died on the cross and was resurrected. There are Biblical verses describing Lucifer which match verbatim Quranic verses describing Allah. Muslims here in the States refer to themselves as Palestinians (Philistines), Assyrians, or Chaldeans ~ all ancient Biblical archetypes of anti-Christ’s kingdom. Islam originated in Saudi Arabia (which in antiquity was the bulk of the greater kingdom of Ancient Babylon). Each and every symbol and ritual of Islam can be traced back to the various and many heathen religions that originated from the Babylonian pantheon of deities. The black stone is housed in a container that is shaped like a woman’s labia, Muslims kiss it and bow to it, as did the heathenistic Arabs who did so to a pagan fertility goddess (or whore) before them. The deadly wound happened already ~ you missed it when the last Caliphate (head of the beast) fell and everyone though Islam’s reign of terror was over. Oh yes, and that 13th century date: 9/11!
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 1:16amRight now the only territory with final boundaries Abbas will abide with is when Israel is gone for good. We need to stand with Israel in the coming storm, and no matter what the administration does or says, to stand with Israel is to do what is right and just.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 12:59amObserve good faith and justice towards all Nations; cultivate peace and harmony with all. Religion and Morality enjoin this conduct; and can it be, that good policy does not equally enjoin it? It will be worthy of a free, enlightened, and, at no distant period, a great Nation, to give to mankind the magnanimous and too novel example of a people always guided by an exalted justice and benevolence. Who can doubt, that, in the course of time and things, the fruits of such a plan would richly repay any temporary advantages, which might be lost by a steady adherence to it ? Can it be, that Providence has not connected the permanent felicity of a Nation with its Virtue? The experiment, at least, is recommended by every sentiment which ennobles human nature. Alas! is it rendered impossible by its vices ?
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 1:06amIn the execution of such a plan, nothing is more essential, than that permanent, inveterate antipathies against particular Nations, and passionate attachments for others, should be excluded; and that, in place of them, just and amicable feelings towards all should be cultivated. The Nation, which indulges towards another an habitual hatred, or an habitual fondness, is in some degree a slave. It is a slave to its animosity or to its affection, either of which is sufficient to lead it astray from its duty and its interest. Antipathy in one nation against another disposes each more readily to offer insult and injury, to lay hold of slight causes of umbrage, and to be haughty and intractable, when accidental or trifling occasions of dispute occur. Hence frequent collisions, obstinate, envenomed, and bloody contests. The Nation, prompted by ill-will and resentment, sometimes impels to war the Government, contrary to the best calculations of policy. The Government sometimes participates in the national propensity, and adopts through passion what reason would reject; at other times, it makes the animosity of the nation subservient to projects of hostility instigated by pride, ambition, and other sinister and pernicious motives. The peace often, sometimes perhaps the liberty, of Nations has been the victim.
Report Post »thepatriotdave
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 1:09amWell of course they want more land. They want anything that will help prolong the feud with Israel. What they want is to stall long enough until Iran has developed a nuke and threatens Israel with it, because their real goal is… to push the jews into the Sea forever! There is only one way to express how I feel about this latest joke by the Palestinians… F-Them!
America is in desperate need of a Hero… Allen West is mine!
Report Post »Old Truckers
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 1:19amOkie,
Report Post »It looks like your writing style has improved. ;-)
Okie from Muskogee
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 1:25am@Old Truckers
Lol it cut off George Washington on the end of my post. Thank you for making me laugh.
Report Post »riseandshine
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 2:20am@Okie…Good stuff.
Report Post »riseandshine
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 2:29amGeorge Washington’s words will never be outdated…because it’s pure wisdom and truth.
Report Post »Steve
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 2:59amGeorge Washington’s Farewell Address
Gotta love it.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 6:48amThis farewell address is filled with so many points of wisdom for our great Nation and sadly, so few leaders look to it for guidance and disregard it as out of date.
George Washington was amazing and I wish more took time to discover him, his views for America, and how far away we are from them now. In this address the problems he warned could happen, have happened and for the very reasons he stated they would occur.
I hope you all take time to read the whole address. It’s awesome. Hope you all have a wonderful day.
Report Post »Evil_Conservative
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 11:19amOn Washington’s Farwell Address….the non interventionalist idea is great in principle, BUT the world has changes a helluva lot since the 1790s. Events on two dates in particular are reasons for this: December 7, 1941 and September, 11 2001.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 11:44am@Evil Conservative
Considering both events were attacks against us, I’m unsure how those events validate your point. But you are probably right. Them founders didn‘t know what they were talking about and it’s all out dated. Hope your day is great!
Report Post »Aviyah
Posted on September 29, 2011 at 1:31am“Considering both events were attacks against us, I’m unsure how those events validate your point. But you are probably right. Them founders didn‘t know what they were talking about and it’s all out dated. Hope your day is great!”
And therein lies the problem Okie. You don’t realize that Jews are Judah and the founders of the West were the rest of Israel. Ask yourself why the father of our nation laid his hand upon the birth right blessings of Joseph‘s son’s while taking his first oath of office as President of the New World. Ask yourself why Israeli streets are named after American Presidents and the names of Israelite people and places make re~occurring appearances in the cities, towns, and streets of every State of this Union. Ask yourself why the Star of David and the birthplace of Joseph‘s son are central figures on the United States’ national seal (a symbol that is solely intended to speak to the world about who we are, where we came from, and what we stand for).
Israel is the cornerstone of the free world. As Israel goes, so goes the rest of the free world. Last time I checked, it is reprehensible to turn your back on an ally and side with those who are seeking to kill you. Aside from this, Israel is more than a friend, they are family. If you think Islam would be content to turn all of Israel as green as gangrenous Palestine you are delusional ~ in case you haven’t heard, while Islam openly calls Israel “the little Satan” in their eyes we are
Report Post »xoke
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 12:55amI didn’t see this coming, lol. They had a two state solution….way back in the day. They rejected it and went to war, got their asses kicked, and now they want a “do over.” How about Jordan give back the land they occupy first?
Report Post »banjarmon
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 12:55amPalestinians ….muslim rejects that no other muslim states wants…a THORN in the middle east that needs to be removed!!!
Report Post »thepatriotdave
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 1:12amThey have a Sea they can conveniently fall into… that was once reserved for the Jews. The Palestinians are welcome to it!
America is in desperate need of a Hero… Allen West is mine!
Report Post »TPartyXpress
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 5:57amNo disrespect meant toward anyone, but if we compare the Palestinians to the Africans who were once slaves in America, the Palestinians are the N……. of the Arab world. They are outcasts that are completely unwanted and shunned. They are treated far better by Israel and the Jews than by the Arabs and other Muslims, who despise them. I hope the analogy is taken in the right spirit.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 9:52amthere are no ‘palestinians’ they’re just arabs.
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