Paper nor Plastic: L.A. County Bans Plastic Bags, Adds Surcharge to Paper Ones
- Posted on November 17, 2010 at 10:23am by
Jonathon M. Seidl
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In Los Angeles county supermarkets and pharmacies, the only plastic soon to be allowed at the checkout is food containers and credit cards. Or in reality, anything but plastic bags.
Tuesday night, the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors voted to ban plastic grocery bags in areas of the county under its jurisdiction, the LA Times reports.
The ban, which will be in place by 2012, will cover 1,000 stores throughout the county. However it doesn’t stop there: the legislation also wants to nudge people away from using paper bags by forcing stores to add a 10-cent surcharge per paper bag used.
According to the Times, “the goal … is to get people to adopt reusable bags made of cloth or durable plastic that can be wiped clean.” However, an exception is being made for produce bags.
“Plastic bags are a pollutant. They pollute the urban landscape. They are what we call in our county urban tumbleweed,” said County Supervisor Zev Yaroslavsky.
According to one environmentalist, recycling the bags is no longer enough.
“You cannot recycle your way out of the plastic bag problem,” Mark Gold, president of the Santa Monica environmental group Heal the Bay, told the Times. “The cost of convenience can no longer be at the expense of the environment.”
Not everyone agrees.
“At a time of economic uncertainty, with a large number of businesses leaving our state and community, this would not be an appropriate time … to impose this additional regulation,” County Supervisor Michael D. Antonovich said. He was the lone member to vote against the ban.
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Comments (169)
justice
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 11:08amCalifornia has pelosi, boxer, brown. God help you all . but the people voted them in. lol.
Report Post »paperpushermj
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 11:55amHey when you are right you are right. California is a Leftist state. So use it as an example of what Stupid voters can do.
Report Post »BarneyFyfe
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 11:06am“Liberalism is a mental disorder”
Report Post »SND97
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 11:04amNext they will ban air. Thats their goal, to rid the planet of all those dirty little humans ya know
Report Post »psst
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 11:16amThat would surely solve kal-y-4-nya’s problems.
Report Post »Moonbeam may just be the one to implement that idea.
paperpushermj
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 11:45amThey are not going to ban air….They will just tax it to death
Report Post »Smoovious
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 1:54pmmaybe they should ban air… if we banned air and got rid of it all, that also gets rid of the whole greenhouse threat along with it!
How can we have a runaway greenhouse disaster like they keep warning about without air!
I’m all for it!
– Smoov
Report Post »– Disclaimer: I don’t guarantee the quality of my ideas, only that I have them.
paperpushermj
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 8:56pmSmoovious: Disclaimer read and duly noted.
Report Post »the doctor
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 11:00amThese people in California… have to be the dumbest people in the world, well besides bam bam.
Report Post »They elect moonbeam and boxer and then wonder why they are screwed up out there.
This plastic bag thingy is just emblematic of all that is wrong oput there.
They worry about plastic bags while the whole state is crumbling around them… WAY TO GO LIBATARDS!
Stupid Windmill
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 10:58amGeneric angry response, complaint of liberals. General mis-characterization.
Assume condescending tone, make poor allegory.
Smug Comment.
Report Post »bbquizzle
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 11:09amIf you have nothing to say, then say nothing.
Report Post »OneRepublic4us
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 11:12amWith your first comment I wondered if the lead in the canvas bags was already settling in your brain. This babbling comment confirms that indeed you have lead poisoning and it has caused brain damage.
Report Post »MrButcher
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 10:55amI go out of my way to nonchalantly/accidently liter my plastic shopping bags in the yards of people with “go green” signs prominently displayed. That way if i get caught I can act as if it was unintentional.
I call it civil disobedience and a form of graffiti art and expression.
I know it drives ‘em nuts.
haha
Report Post »OK3Wire
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 10:52amI think it’s time to kill two birds with one stone. I’m sure we need to test a nuke. It’s about time. Haven’t really let one off in a long, long time. I’m thinking the San Andreas fault would be a really good place to test one …
Report Post »psst
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 10:49amWait until Moonbeam makes it mandatory that all customers must wear big pockets when shopping.
Report Post »Gotta have something to put the groceries in.
Unless you want to carry then out handful/armful to your vehicles.
Shoplifters may go on strike and demonstrate that is unconstitutional.
They are supposed to be the only ones who can stuff stuff in their pockets.
Taquoshi
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 11:10amVehicles!! Who said anything about vehicles??? You’ll be ride a bike and going home to an earth bermed house.
Report Post »Stupid Windmill
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 10:49amFinally, they are getting rid of those stupid plastic bags. Reusuable Canvas ones are so much better.
Report Post »starman70
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 7:51pmBut be sure to get the cloth bags made in China so you can enjoy all the benefits of LEAD POISONING!
Report Post »Carl McPherson
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 10:48amSurcharge on paper bags?
Report Post »I always insist on paper in the store. I have created more jobs than the U.S. government ever has by asking for paper bags. Keep those loggers working !
MikeinIdaho
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 10:46amHey, how‘s it going in the People’s Republik of LaLaland? Have you had enough yet? Do you think you will ever grow a set and tell LA to stick it where the sun don’t shine? Personally, I think you are a bunch of marxist sheeple and love being told what to think, eat, wear and what to drive. Please stay in LA where We the People can keep an eye on you so you don’t infect the rest of America.
Report Post »Stupid Windmill
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 10:54amMaybe you would understand if you lived here and noticed just how many people are around. There is no room for mistakes basically.
Report Post »MidwestMomof3
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 10:46amAccording to the ban I wouldn’t be allowed to bring in just any old bag I happen to have around…they have specifics about what kind of “reusable bag” is allowed? You’ve GOT to be kidding me! What if I wanted to reuse all those plastic bags I have bundled up in my kitchen? Gaw…what morons!
Smoovious
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 1:12pmrofl… yeah, we got about 7 or 8 of those shopping bag snowballs cuz our trash company doesn’t accept them for recycling…
We’d be good for years reusing them…
However, maybe we should go in with a nice big army-issue duffel-bag to do our shopping in? :)
– Smoovious
Report Post »SaintMichael
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 5:13pmI save my plastic bags to burn on earth day.
Report Post »TheFormerlyInvisibleMan
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 10:40amMaybe I can just carry my groceries on my head then.
So “…the cost of convenience can no longer be at the expense of the environment…“ ”…However, an exception is being made for produce bags…”
WHAT!?
http://www.CafePress.com/MerryCHRISTmass
Report Post »TEIN
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 10:39amSo, the solution to plastic bags are bags that are “durable plastic that can be wiped clean”….WOW!!! I can feel the environmental change from here….
Report Post »Harvickfan29
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 10:39amAgain Lex Luthor had the right idea.
Report Post »Parkeralan
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 11:16amLOL, Otisville? Ottisville?
Report Post »M31Sailor
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 10:38amGives a whole new meaning to BYOB. When I or my bride go shopping we BYOB and take these idiots and their fees out of the equation. Conservatives and TEA party people are the ultimate ecologists.
Report Post »Time now to consolidate our gains and Move Forward to 2012 and beyond.
bbquizzle
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 11:07amDon’t say “move forward”, sounds too much like “bend-over”, erm, I mean “lean forward.”
Report Post »bbquizzle
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 10:37amJust how much lower can California go?
Report Post »paperpushermj
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 10:57amIt looks like we are going to find out …..aren’t we
Report Post »El Paco
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 7:12pmHey, as long as they don’t regulate surfing…. I’m sticking around. I’m hunkered down and ready with my popcorn to have a front-row seat to the bankrupcy of the state ^.^
Report Post »konakolina
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 1:06amThe Pacific?
Report Post »otoko
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 10:35amIt’s funny they come and scream conserve, conserve, conserve. So everybody starts using less electricity, less water, less gas, less paper and what do those companies who supply those services and items do? They raise their rates because of the loss of profit from conserving. And what do we do? We use less and pay more. The nudge is really a push all the while they empty our pockets.
Report Post »abc
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 4:00pmWrong. Most utilities have decoupling mechanisms so that they are guaranteed the same return even as they encourage us to use electricity, gas, water more efficiently. As for non-regulated businesses, they face the same issue that many other businesses face as their product volume declines (due to cyclical factors or obsolescence): they have to find new markets and invent new products. It cracks me up that conservatives have no problem telling workers to suck it up when their companies do not compete effectively or find new markets as old ones dry up–think conservatives’ treatment of auto workers. However, if we enact reforms to shift toward sustainable development and cleaner technologies, which is more than merely a government effort, then all of a sudden they are lamenting the challenges of a business owner and his employees. The narrative should be the same, but it isn’t, which highlights the hypocrisy of the right.
Report Post »JGP
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 6:49pmABC, the utilities have a maximum rate set by utility boards. The call by utilities for conservation, which is a responsible thing, is due to the demand for more energy and the near impossiblity of building new power plants.
Report Post »What is the “conservatives’ treatment of auto workers”? How about the unions treatment of auto workers. Demanding unsustainable benifits that forces outsourcing to Mexico, China, etc. How’s that helping the autoworkers?
Give me an example of conservatives “lamenting the challenges of a business owner and his employees”. Some guys post on here? You sure like to paint with a broad general brush which shows your dishonesty.
JGP
Posted on November 18, 2010 at 7:47amOh, and ABC I forgot to address the decoupling issue. You are right about the gauranteed income but if the conservation efforts worked the difference in sales/profits is made up by…..the rate payers. Where else does the gauranteed money come from? You have smaller energy bills due to conserving but then you get a “hit” to pay the utilities their gauranteed income.
Report Post »wmills
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 10:34amSo they are discriminating against the bi-sackuals. No more paper or plastic…
Report Post »OK3Wire
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 10:51am*snort!* Good one.
Report Post »psst
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 10:51amThat’s funny.
Report Post »Beckofile
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 10:59amWMILLS
Report Post »Love it and can’t wait to catch someone in the grocery and call them a Bi-sac….
Parkeralan
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 11:14amLMAO, funny stuff! If you just carry your groceries out in your hands are you a NoMo sacksual?
Report Post »untameable-kate
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 11:36amThanks man, that was funny.
Report Post »wmills
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 12:42pmOf course just using any bag in the LA area might make you metro-sackual.
Report Post »Parkeralan
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 2:08pmOkay, I waited long enough… If you put a bag over your head does that make you a headro-sacksual?
Report Post »starman70
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 7:47pmIf you use only UNE kind of bag, are you a ****-Sacktual?
Report Post »SaintMichael
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 10:33amBut paper bags kill trees and reusable canvas bags are made by child slave labor in the third world!!
Report Post »megansmom
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 10:58amAnd they use lead based paint for the logos on them.
Report Post »deanho
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 10:32amYet another reason to avoid California.
Report Post »You can no longer decide, we will take your decisions for you.
starman70
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 7:43pmNanny state, nanny state, ya, ya, ya,
They take away your rights, ha, ha, ha
Pack your bags and leave them, go, go, go,
Before they become your Mama, ho, ho, ho
Feed me, clothe me, tell me what to do
Keep the welfare coming, I will vote for you
No wonder it’s called the land of the fruits and the nuts!
Report Post »EqualJustice
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 10:32amStarted by none other than Nancy Pelosi’s baby boy, Paul in Sna Francisco! What else would you expect? That NUT didn’t fall far from the tree! http://www.plaxo.com/directory/profile/197569797174/df8064d4/Paul/Pelosi
Report Post »Journalist Stunt Double
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 1:14pm@EqualJustice
The Pelosi family is going to become the next Kennedy-esque progressive quasi-monarchy if voters don’t make a stand.
Mark my words, Paul Pelosi, Jr. is being groomed for Nancy’s departure.
Everyone should look at Paul Pelosi, Jr.’s resume you posted and burn it into their memories. Notice any correlation in Paul’s resume in contrast to current events?
- NASA’s shift to “environmental justice” and algae biofuel rather than space exploration.
- Obama ending lunar missions…Paul’s role in private space/lunar exploration firms (hint: Helium-3)
- AirPatrol, creepy Canadian based technology company dealing with “wireless privacy” and “sustainable communities”
- Where did Paul’s career begin? JPMorgan, Countrywide, Bank of America (that’s strange)
- Paul’s cousins: Gavin Newsom, Matthew Pelosi (SF and Chicago investment banker dealing only with “green” technologies), Mariana Pelosi (executive at EnerNOC, SF-based energy tech giant pushing smart-grid and carbon credit accounting technology)
It is a very nutty tree indeed.
Report Post »YesToFreedom
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 10:31amNow there’s a business friendly environment. Gawd, LA, you’re all NUTS! HELP! I live in California!
Report Post »El Paco
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 10:47amI LIVE IN LA COUNTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! **continue death wail**
Ugh. Seriously. I’ll just bring my own one-use plastic bags I have from home. I have a good stockpile that could probably last me a few months.
Dude. I’m just in survival mode right now. My theory is that if we ONLY had to deal with LA, we’d be ok. BUT!!!!!!!!1 We not only have LA, but San-Fran, Sac-Town AND Berkley. Is there a constitutional amendment anywhere where we can just lop-off northern california??
Report Post »paperpushermj
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 10:54amI feel your pain. I feel like a Conservative leaf at the mercy of a Leftist wind.
Report Post »Parkeralan
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 11:04amYesToFreedom opined “Now there’s a business friendly environment. Gawd, LA, you’re all NUTS! HELP! I live in California!”
I was born and raised in LA county, fifth generation. I used to think it was the greatest place to live but in my mid 20′s I had enough, liberalism and all the “look at me” people ruined it! I then moved to Hawaii for several years, the weather was even better but the liberalism was even worse. I then moved my business to Ohio 10 years ago and I finally felt at home. The Midwest is awesome; it feels like the real America. Good people, good values, no PC bull crap, everyone waves the flag on holidays and neighbors look after each other. We have Christmas plays at school, our district said no to Obama’s school speech, the teachers still hug kids, and it feels like LA did when I was a younger.
In California, Cinco de Mayo is far more celebrated than the fourth of July and everyone seems to be so angry and hyperkinetic. My strong advice to anyone thinking about leaving Cali, DO IT NOW you will not regret it. My stronger advice to those thinking of moving there, DON”T, you will lose your children to the decadence, selfishness, piercings and facial tattoos.
BTW do you know the definition of a California Virgin? An ugly third grader with no bothers…
Report Post »angelite49
Posted on November 18, 2010 at 12:22pmEl Paco, what are we gonna do about Hollyweird? The blue-red split goes down the center and runs the length of the state. Unfortunately, I live on the blue side. I’m not alone, though. Lots of conservatives around me. So when people castigate all of CA for the idiocy of the Left, we also are blamed. As for “getting out,” I have a job, and elderly parents. Am I supposed to just walk away? Sometimes, the people who post on this site prove correct those who accuse the Right of being angry. Can we look past the generalities far enough to see that there are all kinds of people everywhere, and that stereotyping Californians is a form of bigotry? Can we raise the level of discourse just enough to stop sounding just like those with whom we have such strong fundamental differences?
Report Post »janddjohnson
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 10:30amHow many people will lose their jobs with this law?
Report Post »untameable-kate
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 11:21amI was just wondering how many are involved in the paper/plastic bag industry, do we make them here? What if you get to the store and forgot your ecofriendly bag, do you put some of your food back so you can afford the paper bags? Californication at its finest!
Report Post »untameable-kate
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 11:23amOH!! Maybe it will create jobs when more people have to purchase plastic liners for thier waste cans instead of reusing the grocery bags. Way to go eco-nuts!
Report Post »RobertCA
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 3:46pmWelcome to CA people :)
Report Post »abc
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 3:56pmThere are less than 1,000 people working directly for the plastic bag industry in the state of California. But job creation isn’t the only consideration. The plastic bags are not biodegradable and cause real, measurable damage. Conservatives love the markets and protection of private property, but they apparently forget that when it comes to environmental damage. In those cases, they come down proudly in favor of theft. It is THEFT to cause damage to property and not pay for it. All economists agree that negative externalities require a tax of some kind, so the tax on plastic bags is completely appropriate from an economic standpoint. To argue otherwise, as conservatives do, is to ignore economic theory that is quite sound and advocate THEFT. Nice job.
Report Post »Sandy Yago
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 5:56pmTo ABC:
Plastic bags ARE biodegradable and “damage” is in the eye of the beholder. An old plastic bag in a forest may be ugly but it is not a damage.
Report Post »RobertCA
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 9:30pm@ ABC
I don’t think that anyone in here is against protecting the nature , first it was the paper bags that was harming the environment so everyone got rid of paper bags & went with plastic bags , now we have to get rid of plastic bags & go back to paper bags , so which one is bad ??????????
Report Post »Armed Patriot
Posted on November 18, 2010 at 3:33amABC… The law of unintended consequence. Your parents were feeling funky, got down, had a little fun… The unintended consequence was a little lefty named ABC. Ask her about it. I get tired of her complaining about you every time I do her.
Report Post »paperpushermj
Posted on November 18, 2010 at 11:14amTo ABC: You seem very cavalier with the idea that only 1000 people will lose their job over this new law.
Report Post »booger71
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 10:28amNudge, nudge sheeple
Report Post »psst
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 10:44am@Jandd
Report Post »Had the same thought.
What da hey. Who needs jobs in kal-y-4-nya?
It’s Nirvana and Utopia . Dual paradise.
FLUSH THE COMMIES OUT !
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 10:44amTrees grow back, so why the sure charge?! These COMMIES need to leave our country and go ruin someone else’s country. FLUSH OUT THE COMMIES !
Report Post »otoko
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 10:50amYou know the plastic bag was lefts solution to nudge us away from paper bags. I can remember back then of hearing how it will help the rain forest use plastic!!!! Look at them now, the bags they want use to use are the flower childs gather bag!!! :-) Welcome to the national commune!
TNT1
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 10:51amWhat about all the plastic boobs.Cali your nutjobs all of ya we ought to give you back to Mexico
Report Post »richauthor
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 10:55amLet’s secede from California. It’s what those left coast whackos want, anyway… let‘s just beat ’em to the punch.
Report Post »Beckofile
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 10:56amDid anyone hear about the lead contaimination found in the reusable bags. Target and I believe WeiMart have stopped selling them until they can get ahold of some guy in China. It is curous that we in the great ole USA can’t even manufacture a grocery bag? Sad We should put an import tarriff on the reusable then no matter what choice you make the government can zap your wallet.
Report Post »Beckofile
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 11:02amI am soooo lucky to live in Colorfornia and not California. Here in Denver the enviro’s are cookin up some schemes to extract money from us based on what they learn from the left coast. Thanks you bunch of losers
Report Post »john seven eighteen
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 11:15am@BECKOFILE
yup, sorry brother, but it’s just a matter of time for you. You’re welcome down here in Texas. We have a certain amount of nutcases here, too, trying to copy California, but we don’t let them. Traditions die very hard here.
Report Post »Besides, what’s “right” is right!
Rogue
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 11:39amBeckofile – I feel your pain. Our state has been overrun in the last decade by progressives fleeing thier native states, apparently since thier last place of residence wasn’t liberal enough.
My concern is with people bringing in thier own bags and using them at checkouts where my food is passing through. You have no idea what contaminants other people are bringing into the store. I’ve seen people bringing the nastiest dirty reusable bags you can imagine into our local walmart. At least brand new plastic bags are somewhat sterile from the manufacturing process. How about the states do more to encourage recycling, instead of making it such a hassle, and charging people for the privilage of recycling?
Report Post »Journalist Stunt Double
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 11:41amMeanwhile… Reusable grocery bags, made in China, found to contain lead, fueling calls for FDA investigation
For the greater good, comrades!
Report Post »CatB
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 12:20pmI would do one of two things ..go outside the county or shop online …. I thought recycling solved the problem … now they need a ban or charge? You are correct BOOGER71 another nudge .. time to “nudge” back!
Report Post »Muerkier
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 12:24pmThis whole environmental thing makes me wanna puke. I am so tired of the left wing radical BS.
Report Post »jds7171
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 1:16pmCalifornia. IF you are a conservative, I would get the hell out of there now. Or try and split the state up. The south and the north. You guys should propose that. The liberals (leftys) are destroying your lively hood.
Report Post »Tucsonan
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 2:07pmwasn’t the reason for going to plastic to save the trees? Now we have to pay to save the environment? Sheeze!
Report Post »independentvoteril
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 2:31pmWhat next no cans for can goods or packaging for food..how about the plastic bottles and jars that hold everything from our pasta sauce to mayo?? who do they THINK they are kidding?? Bet their kids even laugh at them..
Report Post »JGP
Posted on November 17, 2010 at 6:15pmIt‘s all the people you gladly put on welfare who don’t give a s**t about anything, but that entitlement, that also don’t give a s**t about littering. Plastic bags don’t pollute, lazy ass entitlement mentality people do.
Report Post »Armed Patriot
Posted on November 18, 2010 at 3:27amHave a heart. Some of us are stuck behind enemy lines, fighting from inside. We too are put under these tyrannical government/environmental laws that do no good. We cant afford to leave. We cant afford to stay. Our own politicians fight to have the water turned off to our farms and put more of us out of work. Dont lump us all together. Its the nuts in LA and San Fran doing all the fruity stuff. Not us real hard working Americans.
Report Post »CA sucks
Posted on November 19, 2010 at 7:54pmI have lived in CA my whole life. My wife and I have decided that we can’t take the progressive crap anymore. We are set to move to TX on Jan 5th. Just do what we are doing…leave CA. Eventually the state will have to realize the errors of its ways or it will collapse.
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