Vote: What Should Happen to PA Pastor Who Lied About Being a Navy SEAL?
- Posted on May 9, 2011 at 2:35pm by
Jonathon M. Seidl
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When a paper has to begin a follow-up story with a correction saying it was duped by someone claiming to be a former Navy SEAL, the first question to come to your mind is probably, how did it get fooled? That’s a valid question. But it soon becomes a secondary one once you realize the person doing the lying is a pastor, and he not only lied to the paper, but he’s also been duping his congregation for years.
On Friday, The Patriot-News decided to feature stories of local Pennsylvania serviceman who served as Navy SEALS. One name reporter Dan Miller kept hearing was Rev. Jim Moats. Moats, pastor of Christian Bible Fellowship Church in Newville, PA, gave Miller an interview, and soon the piece was centered on Moats. That was the beginning of the end.
Here’s part of what Miller wrote for Saturday’s paper. It’s detailed, and convincing:
When he learned of the raid that killed Osama bin Laden, the Rev. Jim Moats almost got out his old Navy SEAL flag to run up the pole in front of his home in Newville. Moats was a Navy SEAL four decades ago during the war in Vietnam.
Now 59, Moats was a brash athletic 19-year-old from a military family in northern Virginia, who enlisted in 1970.
An expert swimmer and high school lifeguard, Moats was put on the road to becoming a SEAL by a commander who asked him to sign up for one of the underwater demolition teams.
Navy SEALs – the acronym refers to elite teams trained to fight anywhere on sea, air and land – emerged from President John F. Kennedy’s speech about putting a man on the moon, in which JFK also pledged to expand the nation’s special operations capability.
Moats underwent SEAL training at Little Creek Amphibious Base in Virginia Beach in summer 1971.
Instructors hit SEALs and goaded them to quit. He was subjected to waterboarding, because the Navy knew that’s what the Vietnamese did to SEALs and air crew members who were captured.
SEALs were kept going for days with little sleep. The instructors would lie, promising sleep or a break, but when the time came it wouldn’t happen.
Moats grew accustomed to the physical part because he was in good shape. The mental barrages were more grueling. “I had almost no discipline.
I was as wild as they came. That was my nemesis,” Moats said. “They weren’t looking for a guy who brags to everyone he is a SEAL. They wanted somebody who was ready but had an inner confi-dence and didn’t have a braggadocio attitude.” In August 1971, Moats got into a fight in a club. He went from Navy elite to dishwashing as part of a mandated “attitude adjustment.” Moats soon after rededicated his life to God.
Soon after, however, readers started noticing something fishy. According to a retraction published by the paper’s editors, numerous people wrote in to say that Moats’s story was false. One such reader was Don Shipley, a former SEAL who apparently keeps records of former SEALs for the Navy:
Moats was never a SEAL and never had set foot in Vietnam, Shipley said. The information can be verified through a Freedom of Information Act request from the Naval Special Warfare Command in San Diego, he said.
Shipley called Moats on Saturday night to confront him about the issue.
“We deal with these guys all the time, especially the clergy. It’s amazing how many of the clergy are involved in those lies to build that flock up,” Shipley said.
Shipley said Moats’ story about being re-assigned to kitchen duty and about being waterboarded were lifted from the Steven Seagal movie “Under Siege,” while his reference to being hit by SEAL instructors was vintage “GI Jane.”
Moats had a plaque on his office wall that honors SEALs and other Navy special-operations units. Moats said his two sons, who were in the Army and served in Iraq together, made the plaque for him.
The paper then followed-up. Sure enough, Moats confessed. He also explained the Genesis of the lie:
Moats’ name doesn’t appear on the plaque, but when church members got the impression from it that Moats had been a SEAL, Moats didn’t deny it. From there, the word spread, and Moats did nothing to correct the record.
“I have allowed people to assume that, and I have not corrected it. Probably at this church for the last five years do people assume that,” Moats said.
Moats said his wife and his two sons, Jamie and Jonathan, knew that he was never a SEAL. Moats said one of his sons called him after seeing the published story to ask why he would tell the world he was a SEAL when he wasn’t.
“I bring a shame and a reproach upon the name of Christ, I bring a shame and a reproach upon my church, and I bring a shame and a reproach upon my family,” Moats told the paper.
Shipley, however, has his own thoughts: “He has mental problems, plain and simple. His wife and friends and flock believe it, and he starts believing it himself. That is not an excuse. The pastor is very aware of what he did.”
Read more details about the ruse from Pennlive.com.
(H/T: FARK)
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Comments (175)
BonnieBlueFlag
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 3:26pmDouble-check the church’s books. Hire a professional auditor.
Report Post »Blackalicious
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 7:43pmOh HELL YEAH! Watch that collection plate; it may be supporting a tranny habit.
Report Post »Myresponse2010
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 3:26pmLet him who is without the sin of lying first resign their job, subject themselves to punishment, be voluntarily suspended. What, no takers ?
I thought so.
Let us clean the trash out of our own house before we look at other peoples houses. How many times did Shipley tell a lie ? What is his mental state ? Hmm Oh, wait a minute, Moats wa a Christian, that’s it, so he supposed to be immune from lying, right ?
Give me a break, and move on.
Report Post »UlyssesP
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 3:25pmWho cares what happens to him. He is a liar using religion as cover. Piece of carp like all of them. Sucker tithers.
Report Post »turkey13
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 3:24pmHe needs to hang in there. Bloomenthal lied and it got him elected. This pastor can probably become Pope.
Report Post »13th Imam
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 5:15pmYou realize you are speaking about the Democrat Republik of Konnecticut. WE Conservatives, are an endangered species here. We have Few New Jobs, Many, Many ,Many of the TAKERS Class here, and the Few DEMOCRAT UNION WORKERS, still kling to their Roosevelt, Nanny state Democrat lunacy. We are a Dying State. The Democrats here still think you can spend much more than you take in.Forever
Report Post »mikenleeds
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 3:22pmHe should step down
Report Post »welovetheUSA
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 3:21pmObama lies everyday…….the democrats lie everyday…..a man tells one harmless lie and we can forgive him, we are a Christian nation.
Report Post »olddog
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 3:13pmWhat a fishy story….I feel truly sorry for a pastor that would like to his followers. Now a supposed president that lies to the country, over and over and over, well I say @#$##@@@%%&*@#%@@ to obama…. The left feel it their responsibility to lie…oh yes i’m including those tv channels that long long ago reported news. They are long gone..Have some honor pastor, step down, obama just go the H@ll away, you’ll never have honor..
Report Post »jungle J
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 3:10pmhe should begin again..life is forgiving to those that ask for it and mean it.
Report Post »g123695
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 3:06pmHe should have to spend a week at BUDS training during Hell Week. Then maybe he’d think twice before taking them in vain.
Report Post »Jezreel
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 3:05pmMaybe he thought he’d get more tithes and offerings in the plate. I would not be surprised that he is also teaching false doctrines that so many pew warmers are willing to receive without question like the pre trib rapture and doctrine of the trinity and tithing. An easy way to find out if a man is truly of the truth is ask them what name they baptise in and if they teach tithing. It is that simple. Satan is the father of liars. We can forgive him but I seriously doubt if he is ordained by the Lord to be a servant of God. The greatest is to be the servant.
Report Post »commonsenseguy
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 3:05pmone of the ten commandments ““ thy shalt not lie ”” ops he is in big trouble with the big man, a preacher who lies, wow, so all that bible thumping he done for years is in doubt, you know things are getting bad when preachers lie and continue to lie . lord please forgive him, and please help and guide the church back to you. there are two professions you look up to a police officer and a preacher, and now a days they are more and more of them who have taken advantage of their profession. for ever one bad one there are hundreds more good ones, but it is the bad ones people remember, and that is the sad part, he has not only hurt his family, but his church family, and the church itself,and the profession also. so i wish someone would ask him if he ever thought about the consequences of a little lie, that turned out to big huge.
Report Post »mptm
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 3:04pmThe same thing should happen to him that happened to obama for all the lies he has told!
Report Post »greenherring
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 3:41pmYou mean…. Nothing??
Report Post »USAMEDIC3008
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 5:31pmNO he means becomming PRESIDENT
Report Post »101
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 3:03pmAn analogy:
A preacher woke up one Sunday to find it was a fantastic spring day. The sun was warm, and the birds were singing. He decided that instead of going to church, he was going golfing. So he called in sick and headed out to the course.
He was playing very well and having a great time. Then he came to a dreaded par-4 hole. He hit the ball in a decent drive that started to fall well-short of the green.
Something amazing happened, however. A wind came up and blew the ball forward. The ball sailed over water traps and bounced around sand traps.
Finally the ball made it to the green. It rolled past the hole and then gently back around. For a second it teetered on the edge of the hole. Then it fell right in.
The preacher was stunned. He made a hole-in-one on a par-4! He started jumping up and down in excitement.
Up in heaven, an angel was watching this. The angel turned to God and said, “I don’t get it. He skips church to go golfing, and you gave him an amazing hole in one.”
God replied to the angel with a smile, “Who’s he going to tell?”
Report Post »stewpid peapol suck
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 3:01pmCan we put him in a 3 story compound in Pakistan??? That’s about as close to a SEAL, as he will ever get…
Report Post »smak
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 2:59pmHe should volunteer at a VA hospital emptying bed pans.
Report Post »Orwell_Was_An_Optimist
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 2:58pmIt is not clear this fellow was ever in the military. Hell, even if he just had changed oil in the motor pool, he would have some incredible respect in my eyes. I worked as a field medic and in the OR during peace-time (Reagan era), and there were certainly deaths and injuries just from training and traveling.
There is no reason to lie about any level of honorable service.
Report Post »912er
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 2:57pmLets start by making Dick Blumenthal of CT. resign…. Politicians you can’t trust are more dangerous than Pastors….
Report Post »13th Imam
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 4:16pmAmen from anutter nutmegger
Report Post »timetobelievenow
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 7:08pmAgreed – except it won`t work > there are too many >blind and stupid people< out there,unfortunately.
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 2:53pmWhy in the world would someone claim to be something he is not? Perhaps because he has such a low opinmion of himself to begin with?
I believe I would check his claim to be a minister.
Lie to me once and I find out about it, I have no reason to believe anything else that comes out of your mouth. It’s a matter of character and honor. When people can’t trust you, you don’t have anything.
Report Post »That’s what my daddy taught me when he caught me in a lie as a kid.
BetterDays
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 3:03pmAmen Show, trust is earned, not handed out like candy.
Report Post »I’d rather look foolish being honest than be a fool because I lied.
commonsenseguy
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 3:14pm@showtime, your father and my grandmother must have been brought up old school, because even though they probably did not know each other, they both taught the same message, and i taught my kids the same one also, trust is earned, lie to me, and trust just got a lot harder to earn, but it can be done, with hard honest work and guidance from god.
Report Post »drago
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 4:22pmAgreed Show, thats why im divorced, never ever lie to me……….
Report Post »BOMUSTGO
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 5:13pmA few years back, a Pastor was caught lying about being a pilot of the “Famed” Flying tigers.
Report Post »WTFHappenedToTheUSA
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 2:52pmWell, if the scu^&^ag Senator from CT, DICK BLUMENTHAL could “misspeak” without punishment about his military service…or lack thereof…in Vietnam, why should the pastor face any sort of discipline at all?
Report Post »GeorgieJo
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 4:25pmWTF—
Report Post »WHO tells the truth anymore?
Sports full of druggies
Churches full of sexual predators
Politicians who get blowned in the white house
Politicians who take PORK
Teachers preying after children
Policemen who take bribes
Mediaslimeballs who SLANT the truth (Tingles)
Ministers who lie cheat and steal
Indian chiefs? WHAT is left?
BTW Great NAME!!!
timetobelievenow
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 6:51pmWhen do the > the Masses double standardchosen ones called Jews stupid Goy / Gentile Liar Blumenthal < !
Report Post »ILUVJESUS
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 10:19pmYes, you got it. 7 or 8 times publically, he recalled his Vietnam experiences! And the media told us that he simply misspoke and everything was fine. The Libs in CT (my former state of over 50 years) voted him in! The last Govs election was rigged-everyone knows it! They really didn’t try to hide it much! Just wait until 2012, the Dems will be coming up with bags of ballots! Are you ready to fight?
Report Post »searching for the Truth
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 2:50pmWhat should he do depends on him and his congregation. Maybe, instead of making up rules pastors should go by the requirements outlined in the Holy Bible – King James Version. And, yes God will forgive.
Report Post »searching for the Truth
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 3:01pmKing David committed much much greater sins and was forgiven by God. However, the Bible says , ” years later, he sinned no more.” As it stands now, he and his congregation will need to weigh if it will be a “ stumbling block” for soul winning.
Report Post »Robert-CA
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 2:46pmShame on people like you just stay away from JESUS & stop using his name .
Report Post »searching for the Truth
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 2:46pmThe Bible has rules for Kings, Pastors, and paupers.
Report Post »taskmaster78
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 2:58pmYes, and it’s should be noted all have fallen short of the glory of God and the focus is the Cross and Christ crucified. And not of ones works or righteousness, so having all fallen short everyone who write about repenting fails to recognize their own need for Grace or simply self righteousness rules on this story.
Report Post »TheGreyPiper
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 4:01pmRemember that next time you here a scandal about a Catholic priest.
Report Post »Lucy Larue
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 5:59pmSEARCHING FOR THE TRUTH,
You forgot politicians…,unless you included them with Kings.
I have observed that the Pulpit is a good place for wannabe politicians. You get to hold court and get your EGO stroked.
It has also been my observation that unlike politicians…,the clergy, caught in their lies, do feel shame. I’m not excusing…,just saying.
I was reminded once again of the LIE that is Hillary Rodham Clinton. Remember…., among her myriad of whoppers, the one about taking enemy fire as she debarked her Govt. Helicopter along with then teenage daughter Chelsea?! UGH! HER lies secured HER a position as Secretary of State!
John Kerry shamelessly told lies about his fellow soldiers when he came back from Vietnam. It got him his Senate seat where he continues to do damage to the nation. The list of lying politicians who are rewarded for their prevarications goes on and on ad infinitum.
I guess what I’m trying to say is…at least this Ass did not try to get to Washington. We have enough of his ilk there already.
Report Post »Let’s just count our blessings and let him deal with the SHAME that he must live with. Let his poor family and congregation mete out his “PUNISHMENT”
searching for the Truth
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 2:45pmWell, they may be clergy but they are definitely not God fearing.
Report Post »vennoye
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 3:47pmEzekiel 34:10 Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against the shepherds; and I will require my flock at their hand, and cause them to cease from feeding the flock; neither shall the shepherds feed themselves any more; for I will deliver my flock from their mouth, that they may not be meat for them.
Think you just saw a deliverance!!!!
Report Post »Bluebonnet
Posted on May 10, 2011 at 11:52amYup. Being a pastor does not make a perfect man, the proof being all the pastors who’ve fallen from Grace over the years. But, God does forgive, if they are sincere in asking for forgiveness and they may become even greater workers for the Kingdom, kinda like Paul (Saul) who devoted his life to working for the gospel after his sins.
Report Post »ENTITLEMENTSBLOW
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 2:43pmShameful!
Report Post »On a side note, ENTITLEMENTSBLOW!
and to the republic
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 4:42pmwhat are your thoughts on entitlements?
Report Post »Professional Infidel
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 7:48pmgetting the money i paid back??? am i not entitled to that. lI was in the Army, paid SSI, and for abortions for the masses.
Report Post »DIOS BENDIGA AMERICA ... JESUCRISTO ES EL SEÑOR!
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 2:38pmThere are no hidden secrets with God…truth wins, preacher – shame on you, i hope you have truly repented.
Report Post »Revere1
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 2:47pmI guess Obama’s not the only one who wishes he could take credit for SEAL operations. http://www.elephantwatcher.com/2011/05/after-bin-laden-should-republicans-be.html
Report Post »taskmaster78
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 2:53pmThis has nothing to do with hiding secrets from God, it’s about deceiving his flock is you will. So the man wished to build himself up and caused himself to be made a fool.
Report Post »Bearfoot
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 2:58pmThis “pastor” has missed the point of being a Christian. A real man of God needs to be truthful, especially as to teaching spiritual things. When he yields to lies, he is following, not God, but the devil himself.
John 8:42; Jesus said to them: “If God were YOUR Father, YOU would love me, for from God I came forth and am here. Neither have I come of my own initiative at all, but that One sent me forth. 43 Why is it YOU do not know what I am speaking? Because YOU cannot listen to my word. 44 YOU are from YOUR father the Devil, and YOU wish to do the desires of YOUR father. That one was a manslayer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him. When he speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he is a liar and the father of [the lie]. 45 Because I, on the other hand, tell the truth, YOU do not believe me. 46 Who of YOU convicts me of sin? If I speak truth, why is it YOU do not believe me? 47 He that is from God listens to the sayings of God. This is why YOU do not listen, because YOU are not from God.”
Report Post »We Are Not Alone
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 3:05pmHe should run for the US Senate in Connecticut… people of Connecticut love this kind of guy, they re-elected Bloomenthal how many times?????
Funny how the left HATE our military but don’t mind pretending that they have served
Report Post »Ballgame
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 3:06pmI have concerns about the vote. Depending on the extent of the lie criminal charges could be pending. The article does not dive deep enough into if he received any compensation from anyone for portraying a member of the armed services. Portraying anyone from Private to Navy seal and receiving compensation is a crime, and you see more and more of it these days.
If he has confessed his sin then he is forgiven in my eyes. If he is a good man of God who lost his way with a foolish mistake there is no reason to condemn him. It’s up to the Lord to judge him.
Report Post »cheezwhiz
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 3:10pmWhat Should Happen to PA Pastor Who Lied About Being a Navy SEAL?
Report Post »————-
John Kerry should hold hearings and that Blumenthal dude from CT should grill this pastor during those hearings
DIOS BENDIGA AMERICA ... JESUCRISTO ES EL SEÑOR!
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 3:11pm…and let me add that your congregation should question everything about you.
Have you preached to your congregation that you can sin and still go to Heaven…LIE
Have you preached that once saved always saved…LIE
Have you preached that healing and miracles went down with the disciples…LIE
Have you preached denominationalism and not the Bible…LIE
Have you preached that you can live like hell and still go to Heaven…LIE
Have you preached that you can pray to any MAN for forgiveness of sin…LIE
God’s law is written into the hearts of man, if you are still in the pigpen of life it is by choice, there is a way that you can return home again. It is a simple faith – nothing hard or complicated…
Report Post »Whitey4West
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 3:12pm@ballgame
Report Post »I agree. I didn’t vote, because it ain‘t my place to say what should or shouldn’t happen. It’s up to the big man upstairs, and whether or not his congregation wants to keep him.
DIOS BENDIGA AMERICA ... JESUCRISTO ES EL SEÑOR!
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 3:17pm@taskmaster78
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 2:53pm
This has nothing to do with hiding secrets from God, it’s about deceiving his flock is you will. So the man wished to build himself up and caused himself to be made a fool.
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Well, taskie, let me just say that it seems like the man needed to purge his conscience. Do you believe that he can be forgiven? There is one sin that God will not forgive, but you have to have something spiritual take place inside your soul before this sin can even be committed. I really doubt that this “preacher” ever got to the place where he blasphemed the Holy Ghost.
Report Post »Cptnjarhead
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 3:23pmsad sad sad, he should seek psychiatric help, or run for president :)
Report Post »LetUsReason
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 3:25pmThe thing is he only “confessed” because he was caught. Much different than coming forward to correct your own wrong. That‘s not to say he’s not forgiven, but it sure makes me want to punch him in the face before I forgive him….and then ask for his forgiveness.
Report Post »Deuteronomy22
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 3:27pmShame to the name of Christ? No. Shame to yourself. Keep Christ out of it. This was your personal deception.
Report Post »ACTS2-38
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 3:37pmthis man finally came to his senses and admiited his fault. See, we people always want to throw the person under the bus and submit the most punishment allowed! But what would God do? In the Bible a prophet also had the same problem and told a HUGE lie. God didn’t punish this man and strip him of his rights. He told them for he is a man of God in spite of his sin. With that scripture I belive the same should be administered to this man. God Bless!
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 3:55pmRepentant or not, this man has forfeited the position of a Pastor; he has deceived his congregation and those whom as a flock were entrusted to him by the Almighty, and more so…at the least, the losing of his preaching position, and his ordination accredidation would be recompense.
Report Post »DIOS BENDIGA AMERICA ... JESUCRISTO ES EL SEÑOR!
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 3:59pm@ACTS 2-38
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ACTS 10:34-48
The prophet was under the law, we are under Grace. I could not agree more that if he truly repents, he will be forgiven, as long as he (the “preacher”) has not blasphemed, but without the Spirit sin will creep back in before long. I hope for the best for his soul, this time though he should go beyond getting forgiveness and pray to Jesus that the reason for sin in his heart would be removed, then Jesus will apply His blood spiritually and the unclean spirit will have to move, Jesus then will pray to the Father and He will send the Holy Ghost to seal the vessel until the day of redemption. Simple, Simple, Simple but because of the simplicity of Salvation many are confounded
Report Post »SavingtheRepublic.com
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 4:18pmIsnt it against the law to impersonate anyone in LEO or govt/military role?
Report Post »taskmaster78
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 4:41pmBearfoot why do you quote the old testament, are you not aware we are not under the law? If you doubt my first assertion of you quoting John as the old testament, please look up using google this quote for the verse in Hebrews 9:, ” 16For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.” Your position is self righteous, and your statement is of a religious man not one who understands salvation and the forgiveness of sins. You should be quoting Ephesians not John I’d suggest chapter 2, read it and understand it.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 4:52pmI would not give him the honor of resigning…and do we have laws against this? I think we do in Florida.
Report Post »techengineer11
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 4:58pmWhy is this news? I didnt see any articles asking what should the Rabbis do in NJ which were caught harvesting organs a few months back? Or the one on dateline last year trying to pick up little boys?
Report Post »Why is it that all we hear about in the Media (news and hollywood) is Protestant adultery and Catholic boy love? If one didn‘t know any better they’d think that the Rabbis were beyond reproach.
plunderpower
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 4:59pmIf I had a dollar for every person that I ever met that told me they were a former Navy SEAL, served in Vietnam, and now helped train SEAL teams from time to time…We wouldn’t need Social Security, period. These people usually watch every movie they can get their hands on, mimic their hand signals, and brag a lot. In my lifetime, I have met only one true former Navy SEAL. He was detached, hardly ever spoke a word, and kept to himself. His entire deportment showed deeply ingrained disciplines that maximized his every step. You can’t fake this type of discipline. Shame on anyone that claims to be a former Navy SEAL and has no DD214 to back it up. The only place you deserve a Trident is one sticking in your buttock.
Report Post »Redrivermma
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 5:06pmGod has special punishment in store for those leaders that will manipulate their flock, especially for money or their ego.
Report Post »Secret Squirrel
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 5:07pm…….
Report Post »I guess we could pray for him.
After all, being a SEAL is not exactly resume enhancement
to be a pastor. .
SlimnRanger
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 5:29pmWhen a person tells a lie,it always is brought to light sooner or later,not my place to judge so i didn’t vote,but i hope he asked God to forgive him
Report Post »hud
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 7:34pm8 weeks of seal boot camp or death whichever comes to an end first
Report Post »Professional Infidel
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 7:46pmI hold professional people i/e Cops, Judges, teachers Clergy to a higher standard than you average terd. this guy has forfited his position and should sit in the congregation for the rest of his life.
Report Post »jhaydeng
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 8:46pmI would give him a wedgie!!!!
Report Post »banjarmon
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 8:58pmHave the real SEALs talk to him. They know what HONOR is.
Report Post »Bearfoot
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 9:32pmtaskmaster78,
I have read your comment but I do not understand your position.
Report Post »I am pretty sure the account starting in John 8:42 is in the Greek Scriptures (new testament), not in the “old testament”.
Also the words in those verses are not mine, they are the message spoken by our Lord Jesus. So if you have a problem, considering them to be self righteous, take it up with Jesus Christ.
silentwatcher
Posted on May 10, 2011 at 12:14aman attempt at attention getting…….usually by someone with delusions of grandeur…..
Delusions of grandeur = “Grandiose delusions or delusions of grandeur are principally a subtype of delusional disorder but could possibly feature as a symptom of schizophrenia, etc, etc…”
he may need help…
Report Post »one yrs. food ration like Glenn says..
Posted on May 10, 2011 at 9:02amNothing, obama lies about being an american citizen and nothing happens .. soooo
Report Post »pavnvet
Posted on May 10, 2011 at 12:11pm@ savingtherepublic. Unfortunately, a law called the “Stolen Valor Act” where it was a Federal crime to impersonate military rank, insignia or awards was recently struck down as Unconstitutional. A new law is working its way through Congress.
There is nothing more vile in the eyes of veterans and servicemen and women then these “pretenders.” A little known fact is that over 9,000,000 men claimed to be Vietnam veterans. Sadly, today there are fewer then 800,000 of us left (out of 2.7 million that actually were there). This will give you some idea how big of a problem this is.
Anyone involved in veteran rights is well aware of these wannabees – the fake Seals, Special Forces, Delta Force, Medal of Honor, Silver Star, Purple Heart and just plain old, I was in the military. This means more than someone parading around, claiming they are something they are not. This is about preserving the honor of the military and recognizing the great sacrifices they have made on behalf of our freedom.
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Posted on May 10, 2011 at 12:48pmsilver lining: humiliation is a pathway to humility if he will allow God to do His work. A big lesson can be learned that might make him more fit for the pulpit EVENTUALLY. He needs to step down for awhile would be my suggestion.
Report Post »v-vet1968
Posted on May 10, 2011 at 11:17pmSend him to vietnam????
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