Pastor Defends Comments Calling Mormonism a ‘Cult’, GOP Candidates Respond
- Posted on October 9, 2011 at 12:32pm by
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Robert Jeffress, the pastor who ignited controversy Friday after he said Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney belonged to a “cult” because he is Mormon, defended his comments Sunday and repeated his earlier assertions.
Jeffress is a key supporter of GOP contender Rick Perry, and made his remarks to reporters after introducing the Texas governor at the conservative Values Voter Summit in Washington, D.C.
“Rick Perry’s a Christian. He’s an evangelical Christian, a follower of Jesus Christ. Mitt Romney’s a good moral person, but he’s not a Christian. Mormonism is not Christianity, it has always been considered a cult by the mainstream of Christianity,” Jeffress said Friday.
Jeffress appeared on Fox News’ “Fox and Friends” Sunday and did not back down from those remarks, and said when given the choice, evangelical voters “ought to give preference to a Christian instead of someone who doesn’t embrace historical Christianity.”
“When I’m talking about a cult, I’m not talking about a sociological cult, but a theological cult,” Jeffress said. “Mormonism was invented 1,800 years after Jesus Christ and the founding of Christianity. It has its own founder, Joseph Smith, its own set of doctrines and even its own book, the Book of Mormon, in addition to the Bible. That by definition is a theological cult.”
He reminded the “Fox and Friends” hosts that he is part of the Southern Baptist Convention which has itself labeled Mormonism a cult.
“As much as Bill Bennett and others would like to make me out to be the Jeremiah Wright of the right, I’m not,” Jeffress said in reference to the radio host’s remarks a day earlier.
Jeffress conceded that if the race were between Romney and Obama, a Christian, religion would not be the only factor on which he would base his decision, and repeated his earlier claim that he would vote for Romney in such a contest.
“I am a pastor first and when asked as a pastor about what I consider to be false religions I have to tell the truth as a pastor, regardless of how unpopular it might be,” he said.
Asked to weigh in on the controversy during his appearance on CNN’s “State of the Union” GOP presidential candidate Herman Cain said he was going to stay above the fray.
“I’m not running for theologian-in-chief,” Cain said. “I’m a lifelong Christian, and what that means is one of my guiding principles for the decisions I make is I start with, ‘Do the right thing.’ I’m not getting into that controversy.”
He said he knows Romney is a Mormon, but wouldn’t say whether that makes him a Christian.
“I am not gonna do an analysis of Mormonism versus Christianity for the sake of answering that. I’m not getting into that,” Cain said.
When host Candy Crowley asked why he was “dodging,” Cain said the controversy was a distraction.
“If that’s what it looks like,” he said, “I’m dodging it because it’s not going to help us boost this economy.”
GOP contender Michele Bachmann similarly chose not to directly address the issue when asked about it on “State of the Union.”
“I think what the real focus is here, is on religious tolerance. That’s really what this is about,” the Minnesota congresswoman said. “To make this a big issue is ridiculous right now, because every day I’m on the street talking to people. This is not what people are talking about.”
Still, Fox News’ religion analyst Father Jonathan Morris said certain teachings within Mormonism are “unorthodox” during a “Fox and Friends” appearance later on Sunday.
“Certainly followers of Mormonism, Latter Day Saints, would consider themselves and truly are trying to follow the teachings of Christ — Christians,” Morris said. “But here are certain unorthodox teachings within Mormonism, for example their understanding of the trinity is very different from Catholic, mainline Protestant, eastern Orthodox. They do not baptize is the name of the father, the son and the holy spirit.”
Morris said the question, however, should not be on the differences between Mormons and other Christians, but rather whether any particular candidate would have the morals to choose proper policy if they were elected to office.



















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GlimmerMan
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 1:17pmIt seems the Catholic and the protest-ant know little of “Mormonism” As to the statement from the Catholic shows, “They do not baptize is the name of the father, the son and the holy spirit.” The Baptismal prayer is stated as follows, State the person’s full name and then say, “Having been commissioned of Jesus Christ, I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen” (D&C 20:73). As to the protestants protest against the Catholics teachings, it is clear that First Baptists came after someone left an earlier church and formed it. What was the name of the guy that stood and protested other teachings and decided to form the Baptist,first second or southern churches. Robert Jeffress, who broke off or away from whom, to form your church?
Report Post »Jezreel
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 1:24pmThat was added in by man, “baptizing in the name of the father and son and holy spirit”. The disiples baptised in the name of Jesus Christ. Not once did they baptise in the formula of the Roman Catholic church’s perversion and misinterpretation of the scriptures that appealed to those who are idolators. You read the book of acts and the apostles baptised as in Acts 2:38. The teaching that you receive Jesus into your heart is a false doctrine too. You have to repent of your sins and call upon the name of the Lord because confession is made unto salvation. Repeating a sinners prayer does not save you either. All that is taught over the pulpit is mostly man’s doctrines that come from the great whore.
Report Post »bmarchand
Posted on October 10, 2011 at 8:52am@JEZREEL
Then can you please explain Matthew 28:19 for me?
Report Post »Lemhi
Posted on October 10, 2011 at 10:12amI converted to the LDS faith when I was in high school 1979. I attended BYU 1980-81. In my Book of Mormon class (all freshman requirement) , we were taught that the Roman Catholic church was Satan’s church. The Pope was Satan’s representative. All of the Protestant churches were seeds of the Catholic faith and therefore seeds of Satan. As a convert from the Catholic church, these words were hard to hear. So one group is a cult and the others are in Satan’s church. in the end Obama will win a second term.
Report Post »kmichaels
Posted on October 10, 2011 at 11:12amLemhi
Posted on October 10, 2011 at 10:12am
I converted to the LDS faith when I was in high school 1979. I attended BYU 1980-81. In my Book of Mormon class (all freshman requirement) , we were taught that the Roman Catholic church was Satan’s church. The Pope was Satan’s representative. All of the Protestant churches were seeds of the Catholic faith and therefore seeds of Satan. As a convert from the Catholic church, these words were hard to hear. So one group is a cult and the others are in Satan’s church. in the end Obama will win a second term.
Sorry Lemhi, but you just proved yourself a LIAR. I went to BYU around that time. What you say NEVER HAPPENED. For one thing, no LDS scholar would connect protestants to catholics. It is historically inaccurate at best. LDS scholars easily recognize that protestants oppose the bulk of Catholic beliefs.
Secondly, the LDS church prohibited negative comments about any church, including the Catholic church, easily in the early 1900′s. And any teacher openly condemning the Catholic church or any other church would have been immediately fired.
In short, you are LYING.
Report Post »by faith
Posted on October 10, 2011 at 11:19amTherefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. (Matthew 28:19)
Report Post »you Catholic’s need to learn how to read the Bible…this obviously is a perversion and misinterpretation of the scriptures. You idol worshiper.
Protestants don’t care what Jesus said, they only care what the book compiled by Catholics says.
Spatafizzle
Posted on October 10, 2011 at 12:51pm@ Jezreel
Mt. 28:19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit
You don’t seem to know much about what the Catholic Church teaches, so you should not speak on that about which you know nothing.
Report Post »ThomasBombadillo
Posted on October 10, 2011 at 2:18pmLEMHI & KMICHAELS,
I went to BYU a few years after you, and none of my religion teachers ever said anything like that about the Catholic church. However, in my high school seminary class, I remember my seminary teacher SPECULATING about it. LEMHI may have had a similar experience. If you really need to label a church as “The Church of the Devil”, there is a very obvious target out there (hint: Who paints Jews and Christians as it’s enemy?).
As to the charge that Mormons (ie. members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) are not Christians is ridiculous. Either Robert Jeffress has not done his homework and is just regurgitating what has been written by the antagonists, or he doesn’t understand what it means to be a Christian. If you really want to know what the “Mormons” believe, start here: http://lds.org/plan/our-eternal-life?lang=eng
Report Post »ashtongramp
Posted on October 10, 2011 at 5:44pmThey are trying to tell everyone what they believe in as fast as they can. Do you think a church that is embarrassed would send thousands of missionaries out into the world? The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter Day Saints wants everyone to know what they believe. And by the way, they are never afraid to tell people what they believe. They just don’t like it when people give out false information about them. Wise people do their homework and go to the source and find out for themselves. If people would rather Not know what The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter Day Saints believes in and would rather get their information from hearsay or from people that are afraid of The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter Day Saints then that is up to them. Think and do your own research and don’t rely on others for your information. Here’s their website http://lds.org where you will find a ton of information in what they believe in (it doesn’t look like they are too embarrassed to share their beliefs).
Just a side note, If you were Jesus Christ, and you wanted all people to know that it was your church and that it is on this earth with your true doctrine, what would you name your church? Would you call it the Catholic Church, Lutherans, Anglicans, Evangelicalism, Pentecostalism or Baptists? Or would you call it The church of Jesus Christ?
If God loved his children in the Old and the New Testament and he sent Prophets to them and he had his people build temples in his name back
Report Post »We are Americans
Posted on October 10, 2011 at 9:26pm@kmichaels. You like saying I’m projecting. Haha
You called me a liberal. Haha. Are you a prophet
like Joseph Smith?haha. Oh that’s right, the current
LDS dosnt stand by him anymore. How about that polygamy
thing he said also came from God.
I couldn’t find this in my bible. Is this what you believe?
Joseph taught that every person contained some divinity which could be augmented indefinitely, transforming the human into a god. Each person who wanted such exalted status could one day become master or mistress of one of the many stars in the firmament. There were plenty of stars in God’s creation to go around. For many people, Joseph was a welcome relief from the itinerant fire-and-brimstone evangelists.
I thought Jesus taught us to submit ourselves to his
Report Post »Holy Spirit. Guess I missed the part about us having
our own heaven. I know. I’m projecting again
We are Americans
Posted on October 10, 2011 at 9:33pm@kmichaels. This looks like another thing that is in
direct opposition to what Jesus taught. But who cares?
It’s not important. What is important is that you
consider yourself superior. Projecting again?
” Eventually a temple was built in Kirtland, an architectural gem which was the grandest building in the west. The Mormons‘ prosperity was consistent with Joseph’s theology: the Kingdom of God, he taught, was to prevail not only in heaven but on earth, too.
Report Post »LDSmommy
Posted on October 11, 2011 at 8:49am@lemhi: I call BS! Our Church does not speak out about other churches. Period. You are full of it. @We are Americans: re: Joseph Smith “Oh that’s right, the current LDS dosnt stand by him anymore” HUH? Uh, yes we do. Curious where you got your info cause it is wrong.
Report Post »Merriam-Webster defines “Christian” as: one who professes belief in the teachings of Jesus Christ. TheFreeDictionary defines “Christian” as: Professing belief in Jesus as Christ or following the religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus.
Christ/Christian
I am a PROUD Christian and a PROUD member of The Church of Jesus CHRIST of Latter-day Saints.
For everyone saying we’re not Christian? Congratulations on God granting YOU the right to decide who is Christian.
LDSmommy
Posted on October 11, 2011 at 8:52amI forgot to add that THIS “Mormon” can’t stand Mitt Romney. He’s about as LDS as Harry Reid. Yuck.
Report Post »Mary M. Tebbe
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 1:17pmI have always contended that we are a Christian nation, founded on Christian principles and values, found in the HOLY BIBLE. I also contend that we are the descendants of ancient Israelites, and that most Americans are Shemitic/Semitics of the tribe of East Manasseh the man-of-war and West Manasseh the agriculturist as our Great Seal shows. I would find it difficult to vote for a person who follows the mormon religion, who does not believe in the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. A mormon believes in Adam-god, and also believes that god was once a man and became a god, and that a mormon will climb the same ladder to godhead as this Adam-god. A man with such beliefs would not govern with the same principles and values that a True Christian would govern by. Their two belief systems are diametrically opposed to one another.
Report Post »If Governor Perry is such a Christian as the pastor supposes, then why is Perry connected to the Bilderberg Group that seeks to bring a One World Order on the entire world? There is no mention of a One World Order in Scripture.
America needs a Godly Christian leader to lead us forward, because if we cannot even discuss or define True Christianity and the difference between mormonism which is definitely a cult, then we are in more trouble then I had suspected. And…if Republican candidates will not broach a subject for fear of being marginalized, then they too need to be scrutinized more closely as well.
Texas Family of Virtue
Posted on October 10, 2011 at 3:26amHi there, I just wanted to correct you, we do believe in the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob. I have a firm testimony in the Savior Jesus Christ and I am grateful for the Atonement. I, in no way think that you are trying to bear false witness about Mormons on these issues, however you have been grossly misinformed by your Pastor or whom ever. We are Christian and do our Best to live christ like lives. I ask that you get your information from the horses mouth. There is a lot of lies and twisted half truths out there, if you want to know the truth then go to http://www.mormon.org you will be pleasantly surprised! :-) I am Mormon, & currently Mitt is not my Favorite front runner choice either, but I can assure you that we have higher Morales than any church I know Go look up “ For the Strength of our Youth” these are the guide lines, Morales and values we teach and encourage members to live by! This I am sure will ease your mind! Best Regards- Mom of 4
Report Post »Texas Family of Virtue
Posted on October 10, 2011 at 4:06amYou are correct in that we do believe that we to hope to one day reach perfection. Not, here in this life, of course, but maybe in the next, thru normal progression. I never understood why that freaks people out. Lets just say that you are a plumber & that you have a son that went to work with you everyday, and every day you taught him a little something & over time you eventually taught him everything you knew about plumbing, & he worked hard along your side & studied & learned & did everything you showed him. & now he had the ability to fix anything related to Plumbing. Is your son now, not a Plumber? We are supposed to follow in his footsteps, Learn of his ways and work towards perfection. It is not unholy to want to be like him. Do you not want your children to reach their fullest potential? It’s not about being equal to him, it’s about becoming one in purpose with him. You can learn more about the purpose of life at http://www.mormon.org Hope that helped clarify.
Report Post »kmichaels
Posted on October 10, 2011 at 11:14amMary has spewed this moronic BS many times before. She is trying to push some lame book she wrote and keeps harping on this same Adam God bs story. She has been corrected many times in the past but that does not stop her lunacy raising it’s ugly head again and again.
Report Post »ValiantDefender
Posted on October 10, 2011 at 12:16pmI will be the third witness. The Church of Jesus Christ of LDS (The folks who have the Book of Mormon) follow the teachings of Jesus Christ and we hold him as our one and only Savior, the Only Son of God in the flesh, and our redeemer.
There is no honest argument that can be brought against it that will not wither in the open light of day.
Report Post »Miguel Sanchez
Posted on October 10, 2011 at 1:24pmI’m sorry but you are blatantly mistaken. There is a lot of misinformation about Latter-day Saints. We are only referred to as Mormon’s because we believe the Book of Mormon to be scripture of the Lord Jesus Christ, equivalent to the scripture given to Biblical prophets. We preach extensively of the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob who is Jesus Christ. Please visit http://www.mormon.org for more information and get the facts from the horse‘s mouth first then double check it if you don’t believe us, but then come back and ask us about what our detractors say. By their fruits ye shall know them.
Report Post »The Truth Will Set You Free
Posted on October 10, 2011 at 1:28pm3 Nephi 27:7-11
7 Therefore, whatsoever ye shall do, ye shall do it in my name; therefore ye shall call the church in my name; and ye shall call upon the Father in my name that he will bless the church for my sake.
8 And how be it my church save it be called in my name? For if a church be called in Moses’ name then it be Moses’ church; or if it be called in the name of a man then it be the church of a man; but if it be called in my name then it is my church, if it so be that they are built upon my gospel.
9 Verily I say unto you, that ye are built upon my gospel; therefore ye shall call whatsoever things ye do call, in my name; therefore if ye call upon the Father, for the church, if it be in my name the Father will hear you;
10 And if it so be that the church is built upon my gospel then will the Father show forth his own works in it.
11 But if it be not built upon my gospel, and is built upon the works of men, or upon the works of the devil, verily I say unto you they have joy in their works for a season, and by and by the end cometh, and they are hewn down and cast into the bfire, from whence there is no return.
Also read: http://lds.org/youth/article/only-true-living-church?lang=eng
Report Post »jeff36607
Posted on October 10, 2011 at 6:47pmYou are a servant of Satan spreading hate and lies. Your church has a 150 year history of racism and terrorism. Lynching blacks, Mormons, Catholic and Jews or burning them out of their homes while hiding behind white sheets and hoods. But you cannot hide from God. Repent, stop lying and disassociate yourself from your hate-filled organization that pretends to be a church so that they can terrorize other people.
Report Post »BlueLake
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 1:15pmThe Bible also say “Faith without works is dead” So we are saved by both.
Report Post »Titania
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 1:15pmMorris & Cain are right:
Morris said the question, however, should not be on the differences between Mormons and other Christians, but rather *whether any particular candidate would have the morals to choose proper policy if they were elected to office*.
We are electing representatives who reflect values that are in conjunction with the mainstream. Liberals understand that if they can fragment the ‘morality’ vote, they will win I will support a Mormon ANY DAY OF THE WEEK for elected office, because they are in alignment socially with Christian perspective. Do I believe Mormons are Christian? No- neither were ALL the founders- but they had morality. Morality matters!! Vote for people who will advance an agenda in alignment with what you believe, not “Christians” like the Kennedys or Clintons… Sheesh. THINK, people!!!
Report Post »ValiantDefender
Posted on October 10, 2011 at 11:50amTo date, no one is able to give an adequate answer to how it is the Mormons (The Church of Jesus Christ…of Latter-day Saints) is not Christian Church. Any and all arguments are easily responded to from within the bible itself. (Deuteronomy, for example, says not to add to the scriptures….so if the scripture in Revelations means the same thing, then all scripture after Deuteronomy has to be discarded…silliness). So, if scripture is able to be added after a statement like that (but not change the message – which is the obvious message of the Deut and Revelations scriptures) then people should have no problem with discovering that Jesus had other sheep, which were not of the Jerusalem fold, who would hear his voice, and they would be one fold, and one shepherd…and they wrote down the stuff he told them – hence, scripture.
This is like the old world Catholics claiming that the protestants were/are not Christians.
BY most definitions, ANY religion is a cult (but it now has a negative connotation that most people don’t like).
The start date of the “Mormon” religion shouldn’t be a problem for any Protestant/evangelical. Only Catholics have a better claim (if start date is all you look at).
I‘m LDS and Mitt isn’t my first choice right now either. He’s a little too slick and “political”. Unfortunately there isn’t any one candidate that is a stand out. In the end, all are mortal and all are fallen….so we must not expect a perfect person.
I’m LDS and
Report Post »Rowgue
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 1:15pmHonestly I couldn’t really care less what religion a candidate is, as long as they’ve got good morals and values and their priorities are in order.
This guy is correct in the argument he makes however. Mormonism is a cult by any definition of the word. What some people have their panties in a bunch about is that the term cult is often seen as derogatory or somehow associated with evil, but that’s just a problem with their own ignorance of the english language.
Report Post »marhee9
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 1:26pmI was with you until you too called it a cult. Which one is it? You don’t care, or you do?
Report Post »http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jvMojZc_bE
Oraclevoiceofreason
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 1:44pmDefine cult and defend why you think Mormonism is a “cult” and if the world wants to define the Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints a CULT ? GOOD – I am happy to belong to that cult.
Report Post »TH30PH1LUS
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 1:52pmHow about we get someone in who values the CONSTITUTION? Can we just get one of those, please?
Report Post »SacredHonor1776
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 1:54pmInteresting you could fill in Jeffries argument with Islam, Koran and Mohammad.
“When I’m talking about a cult, I’m not talking about a sociological cult, but a theological cult,” Jeffress said. “Islam was invented 600 years after Jesus Christ and the founding of Christianity. It has its own founder, Mohammed, its own set of doctrines and even its own book, the Quran, in addition to the Bible. That by definition is a theological cult.”
Would he have the courage to say it?
Report Post »NHwinter
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 1:55pmI’m not in agreement with the Mormon faith, but I’ve known some and they are good people. I’d rather have a Mormon in the WH than a muslim. Mitt Romney is a good person and loves America. Lets judge on their ideas, not their religion (except Islam).
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 1:56pmI am not Mormon. I do not agree with everything Mormons believe. Mormons are entitle to their CULTure as am I.
All religions are cults for the cult’s teachings make their CULTure. “Cult” has been turned into a bad word by the Mainstream world Church to discourage anyone from believeing differently than them.
As for Trinity (one God with 3 heads); I’ll gladly stand in truth exposing the falsehood of a Trinity as seen in the Bible with anyone who cares to hear it. Trinity is a false teaching of the mainstream world Church.
Before going around trying to find specks in others eye it is best to take that great big log out of your own eye……
Wake up folks…..
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 2:14pmMy Friend Glenn Beck,
Report Post »I often hear you speaking of all the people whom will not wake-up, and wondering how it is so many people can be blind. That’s because a lot of people are supposed to be blind. These people are the “Cold” and they will inherit the earth. So no matter how hard you try to wake them up, they will not wake-up because it isn’t the will of God for them to wake-up.
HankScram
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 2:15pmPlease click the link below for photographs of all artifacts found at the archeological digs showing the truth of the book of Mormon:
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 2:18pmPerhaps you should double-check what it is you think you know, because all things are manifested in God and by God.
Report Post »Huguenot Descendant
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 2:19pmThe Mormon faith is NOT a cult. It IS a Christian religion and for those who do say otherwise please educate yourself from a non Anti-Mormon like that Bible-Thumper guy. Perhaps people should start doing their own research from the source and not take thing from 3rd party personages who may or may not have a hateful bias.
That is why Glenn is so awesome, unlike the people who just hate and call themselves “educated” to their cause. Glenn has from the start been researching right from the horses mouth, he goes to their sites, he reads their books, he quotes them. In order to be educated you must read all the facts not just the bias you want to obtain cause that is what suits you. That is exactly what the progressives do.
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 2:22pmPeople should be very careful of whom it is they are attempting to wake-up, because some may become just lukewarm, and that isn’t a good thing.
Report Post »roent
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 2:46pmPlease then, define the term for us. Mormons don’t practice mind control or dangerous rituals.
Report Post »The10thAmendment
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 2:57pmI am a Catholic. That has nothing to do with a political philosophy as applied to the Declaration of Independence, or the US Constitution. I don’t know what Mormonism finally is, nor do I care provided that the specific Church doctrine doesn’t infringe of the above 2 items. No American should care.
I personally hate Islam, but it isn’t their religious persuasion, it’s their wholesale desire to destroy the foundational core of the United States of America. In order for American politics to work, there is a CERTAIN difference to the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob. Our political spectrum and decisions are based on the litmus test alongside the 10 Commandments (there are actually 633 God given Laws), and the moral Codes of the Bible, especially those of Jesus Christ. My sect does not matter. My belief in God does not matter politically because the limited Bill of Rights was a limiting of my religious interference with the governing of the Nation. Or at least those were the restraints of intent.
Republic = The Public thing, or, the Law. In America the Declaration of Independence immediately defers to the Creator, or the Supreme Judge of the World. HIS laws/codes declare our foundation and building blocks of society because THEY DO NOT CHANGE. Political trim is shackled to those to limit governance and promote liberty.
I could care less what someones religious persuasion is, as long as it abides restrained by America’s foundations.
Report Post »JustTheFactsPlease
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 3:01pmMoron-ism … excuse me. Mormonism is a cult. They are freaking liars, and that’s the worst thing for me about Glenn Beck, is he says the Truth has no agenda… and yet he doesn‘t really seek the Truth or he couldn’t claim to be a mormun . The twist every part of the bible.
Report Post »sabrinacle
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 3:10pmmormonism is a cult to be sure. It is NOT Christianity but that being said, I do think Glenn and Mit are people that want to be real Christians and I would keep praying for them to learn the truth. I dont think a mormon should be president because the mormon church uses “prophets” as a guide and we didnt elect them. If the future potus cowtows to the mormon heiarchy, how will we be able to accept that? They arent elected. They arent a court.But they would have the power of both. Its too bad really. Mit seems like a nice guy….but he’s no Ron Paul
Report Post »The10thAmendment
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 3:17pmAgain. Who the heck cares what religious persuasion a person is? The church doctrine doesn’t determine the politics, the Declaration (the cornerstone), and the Constitution (the building of society) are the metrics to apply concerning a candidates leadership credentials.
Deference to the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and the Moral Codes of the Bible, especially of Jesus Christ are the underpinnings on which society is developed through that Declaration and Constitution. If politicians are properly restrained by those 2 things, and do not pervert them by a shallow interpretation in an effort to usurp more power to themselves, it doesn’t matter if their personal religious leanings are the worship of Zeus, or whatever.
Report Post »Edct
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 3:19pmThe stupid christitians had better pull their heads out of their butts and vote for the best person for the job and not loose the election based on this crap….after all they didn’t like Romney last time and we ended up with weak McCain who was easily defeated by an infidel cult from hell illegal imposter muslim terrorist who has done more damage to this country than any other president in history.
Report Post »The10thAmendment
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 3:30pm@ sabrinacle
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 3:10pm
mormonism is a cult to be sure. It is NOT Christianity but that being said, I do think Glenn and Mit are people that want to be real Christians and I would keep praying for them to learn the truth. I dont think a mormon should be president because the mormon church uses “prophets” as a guide and we didnt elect them. If the future potus cowtows to the mormon heiarchy, how will we be able to accept that? They arent elected. They arent a court.But they would have the power of both. Its too bad really. Mit seems like a nice guy….but he’s no Ron Paul
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That’s true, but there is a shackle that cannot be avoided if we as American people hold our politicians feet to the fire. A member of Congress, Supreme Court, and Executive Branch (as is the Military) are restricted by, THE OATH OF OFFICE to SUPPORT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!
I am a Christian (though Protestants would disagree because I’m a Catholic), but when I go to work, my religious ideology/doctrine becomes subject to the rules that govern my employment. If the job I have conflicts with my religious ideals, then I should seek employment elsewhere. But if my personally held beliefs can exist alongside the companies without conflict, there is no derision.
OATH OF OFFICE SUPERSEDES RELI
Report Post »The10thAmendment
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 3:39pm@ Edct
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 3:19pm
The stupid christitians had better pull their heads out of their butts and vote for the best person for the job and not loose the election based on this crap….after all they didn’t like Romney last time and we ended up with weak McCain who was easily defeated by an infidel cult from hell illegal imposter muslim terrorist who has done more damage to this country than any other president in history.
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I believe the America people need to pull their heads out of their ass and learn the Declaration and Constitution through reading of original intent contained in those foundations as shown through the Federalist, and anti-Federalist papers.
The Bible and the Commandments are the anchor to bedrock, but they are not the building of society based on individual liberty according to original intent. When I serve in politics I must defer to the Founding doctrine, not of my religion, but of the Nation are my public service and I reside in good behavior when I abide by that standard. My personal life can be anything I choose. If I want to worship Jesus, or a wooden door as a private citizen is my business. When I serve the people, I serve the Declaration and Constitution.
Report Post »Gates
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 3:47pmI find it hard to believe that the baptist preacher calling Mormonism a Cult has been accused of bigotry. Even Perry refused to defend him.
The fact is Mormons are a cult and don’t even come close to being Christians. Even the most cursory examination of their beliefs proves they are not Christian in any sense of the definition and further study reveals a truly bizzare religion. Things like Jesus and Lucifer were spirit brothers, a complete denial of the trinity, God the father was once a man just like us and came from another star system.
You never see these beliefs in their slick TV ads but they are true. The baptist preacher was exactly right when he said Mormons were not Christians. And that‘s fine with me but why don’t they just call themselves what they are. Are they embarassed? At least be honest enough to say what you believe and not try to present yourself as something you are not! Are we to stupid to study their doctrine and read what it is?
HappyStretchedThin
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 3:50pmRowgue, if you claim Mormonism is a cult “by any definition of the word” then I assert that you understand none of them. There’s no central charismatic leader profiteering by the mass delusion of the people. There’s no coercive persuasion or mind-control methods. There’s no mass suicides, no mass draining of life savings. There’s not even a secluded commune you have to move to.
Report Post »And this pastor’s ridiculous distinction between a sociological cult and a theological cult is just self-serving narrow-minded nonsense. He defines a group as outside his own definition of Christianity by applying his own particular criteria as if they were universally true, and even then, he‘s applying the criteria to his OWN claims about what Mormon’s believe, NOT THEIR claims. That’s a surefire recipe for persistent willful ignorance and that can lend itself to bigotry. And in the end, you have to make the rather silly claim that they’re not Christians, but rather a cult that worships Christ. Perhaps because the term heretic is too passé? Perhaps because term cult does better political damage? It smells like a duck, it walks like a duck. For heaven’s sake your own Book tells you to judge them by their fruits. What is it in particular about a family-values, loving, high moral caliber, politically conservative peaceable, neighborly, service-oriented society that you find so offensive?
Jefferson
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 3:52pmHerman Cain would have been considered a “money changer” and had his little table turned over by Jesus himself.
If the Federal Reserve isn’t considered a bunch of “money changers” than I don’t know what is.
Let’s have a CONSTITUTIONALIST FOR ONCE!!
Report Post »nationalcalvin
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 3:54pm@Biblethumper
I’m not a Mormon, but I would rather go to their church than yours. Your obnoxious.
Report Post »The10thAmendment
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 4:00pmLets let the author of the Declaration of Independence explain it. Thomas Jefferson might know a little about America’s roots.
” Say nothing of my religion. It is known to God and myself alone. Its evidence before the world is to be sought in my life: if it has been honest and dutiful to society the religion which has regulated it cannot be a bad one. ”
” The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg. ”
To find Jeffersons core, personal values we can turn to the Declaration of Independence where he defers to the Supreme Judge of the World, the Creator of Natures Laws, who is one and the same as Natures God, thereby establishing an anchor to bedrock for the Founding of the Nation which is intended to never change. To alter that, you must alter society entirely because Natures God does not ever change. That includes the Commandments and he Moral Codes, to which Jefferson deferred.
The Oath of Office prevents (intended to prevent) religious doctrinal persuasion because to exist in the American society based on self governance, and individual Liberty those Codes don’t change. EVER!
Report Post »jzs
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 4:08pmHere’s what Jeffress said about Catholicism:
“This is the Babylonian mystery religion that spread like a cult throughout the entire world. …Much of what you see in the Catholic Church today doesn’t come from God’s Word, it comes from that cult-like, pagan religion.”
Other religions:
“Islam is wrong, it is a heresy from the pit of Hell; Mormonism is wrong, it is a heresy from the pit of Hell; Judaism, you can’t be saved being a Jew…”
Evolution:
“I submit to you that not a single one of our unalienable rights will be safe,” Fischer said, “in the hands of a president who believes that we evolved from slime and that we are the descendents of apes and baboons.”
Of course one who believes in evolution, from Darwin since, has every said humans decended from apes or baboons. No matter.
He also has said that, “the homosexual agenda represents the greatest immediate threat to every freedom and right that is enshrined in the First Amendment, it’s a particularly threat to religious liberty…”
This guy isn’t one of your more tolerant types.
Report Post »Pappypatriot
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 4:18pmIf anyone would like to see what Mitt really believes and what the official beliefs of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints are. Please go here and read our Articles of Faith. http://lds.org/library/display/0,4945,106-1-2-1,FF.html
I would draw your attention in particular to Article Faith #12. We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
Some on the Blaze and other individuals have stated that they could not support Mitt Romney because he would be subjected to the Church Prophet. That is simply not true as the Church Prophet happens to be a citizen of the United States and the Church Headquarters are U.S. based, therefore would be subject to Mitt Romney as the President as much so as any other President,So in all matters as it pertains to Mitt Romney carrying out his duties and decisions as President would be independent and separate from any directives coming from Salt Lake. Mitt Romney gives a detailed statement on this very subject in his Faith in America speech. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ugna3yDv6OQ
Report Post »Applehead
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 4:28pmI believe in being respectful to others religions as long as they are not Satanic! When Jesus name is profaned and mocked it makes me very upset! So I would never do that to another’s religion! This name calling is divisive and unnecessary! I’m Catholic but believe Mormons to be good people! There are good people of all religions!
Report Post »HappyStretchedThin
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 4:30pmTo get dragged in, or not to get dragged in…
Report Post »Ok, so BiblestretchingThumper, everyone here can see you haven’t got a hint of honest inquiry in you when you ask questions about Mormonism. Not only do you think you already know better than the Mormons themselves, but you’re dead set on attempting, by hook or by crook, to convince others your biased and tortuous twisting of what Mormons really believe is true. But really, you’re just like Libs and Paulistinians who lose even basic reading skills when it comes to things their ideology filters out.
For the rest of us Blazers: the LDS believe their central figure is Christ who leads his Church through communication with Prophets and Apostles as He did all through the Biblical record. They honor men as men (the title of the hymn is “Praise to the Man” and it contains language like any ode would, but nothing that should be reserved for a God’s praise…see for yourself at http://bit.ly/ozW4nk) for the deeds they do, as is their due, but worship no man. They DO baptize in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost (see for yourself: http://bit.ly/nQMI0m). But their leaders DON’T operate the way Jim Jones or David Koresh operated: charismatic profiteers with a Messiah complex and a knack for convincing the weak minded to do things against their own interests.
How do you apply “cult” to a religion who’s opening move is to say: “here’s what we believe, please find out for yourself if it’s true”?
The10thAmendment
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 4:36pm@ jzs
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 4:08pm
Here’s what Jeffress said about Catholicism:
“This is the Babylonian mystery religion that spread like a cult throughout the entire world. …Much of what you see in the Catholic Church today doesn’t come from God’s Word, it comes from that cult-like, pagan religion.”
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That’s his opinion, and he’s entitled to it. As is the rest of your post on his declarations. What he believes should be the standard. What you believe should be the standard. What I believe should be the standard. DOES NOT MATTER! The Oath of Office declares the good behavior for public service. If they correctly restrain themselves by the shackles of the Constitution and the Declarations bedrock to cornerstone intent, there is no conflict regardless of sect, cult, or any other religious persuasion.
Again Jefferson defines this.
” The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first. ”
That Pastor can hold any belief, bias, or bigotry he chooses, provided it meets Jefferson’s societal remedy.
(NEXT POST FOR JEFFERSONS REMEDY)
Report Post »The10thAmendment
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 4:37pm(CON’T)
” Of liberty I would say that, in the whole plenitude of its extent, it is unobstructed action according to our will. But rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add “within the limits of the law,” because law is often but the tyrant’s will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual. “
Report Post »Pappypatriot
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 4:38pm@BIBLETHUMPER,
Maybe you ought to do more reading of your Bible instead of just thumping it. To be brutally honest with you you are coming across as a very closed minded, pea brained intolerant, bigot and any Church you belong to I would want no part of. Why don‘t you spend more time sharing your own faith instead of downing someone else’s? You are sowing seeds of contention and if you represent in anyway the fruits of those who attend the same congregation as you do, please post the name so everyone can know which Church they want no part of. If you are being taught to act the way you are from attending your church, it may be time to do a bit of self reflection and run not walk from the church you presently attend.
Report Post »Nehemiah6.3
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 4:41pmi am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, also know by non-members as Mormons. Mormon is not our church, it is the name everyone gives us because of the Book of Mormon. The real name of the church should let everyone know who it is we believe in. Everyone seems to want to tell others what us “Mormons” are and are not. Why not ask one who actually belongs to the church, better yet, got to lds.org or mormon.org and actually read up on our beliefs. If i want to know what a southern baptist believes, i will not go talk to a muslim or a catholic.
I believe Jesus Christ is my Savior, Redeemer, and where i depart from a lot of other Faiths is i also believe He is the creator of this earth. He is also known as Jehovah in the Old Testament. I believe in A living prophet, and living Apostles just like the ancient church that was established by Jesus Christ Himself when he was walking the earth. I believe Jesus Christ is the head of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, we do not worship Joseph Smith as most believe. Most people like to make up really wild stories about what we believe, only because they do not know, and they want to sound like they know.
Report Post »I could go on for a long time telling you everything i believe, please go to official church websites and read for your self.
thewipf
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 4:46pmTH30PH1LUS has the right answer- lets worry about find someone that values the Constitution.
Report Post »Dale
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 5:12pm@jzs;
He is not well informed either, nor is father Morris (unless you want to play semantic games). I would expect better understanding from two (educated) preachers.
Report Post »The10thAmendment
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 5:13pm@ I believe Jesus Christ is my Savior, Redeemer, and where i depart from a lot of other Faiths is i also believe He is the creator of this earth. He is also known as Jehovah in the Old Testament. I believe in A living prophet, and living Apostles just like the ancient church that was established by Jesus Christ Himself when he was walking the earth. I believe Jesus Christ is the head of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, we do not worship Joseph Smith as most believe. Most people like to make up really wild stories about what we believe, only because they do not know, and they want to sound like they know.
Report Post »I could go on for a long time telling you everything i believe, please go to official church websites and read for your self.
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Those rights ought to be secured by the Constitution. In fact they are. I don’t have to believe the same doctrine relating to religious faith, because ultimately that is between me and God. Nor do I have a right to denounce your faith, provided it does not attack the Constitution and it’s foundation, the Nations Charter. Nor should a candidate for office be judged by his religion, but by the position on the Constitution and Declaration. I would never vote for Romney, because his political trim is socialist, and not Republican as we’re guaranteed by the US Constitution.
theaveng
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 6:02pm>>>”“Mormonism was invented 1,800 years after Jesus Christ ”
So?
The Baptist Church is only 50 years older than that. Maybe we should consider that a cult too Pastor Jeffress. Maybe ALL the churches are ‘cults’ except for the original church founded by the Apostle Peter circa 50 A.D.
Report Post »red_white_blue2
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 6:40pmI agree with you..its the language. People need to educate themselves and not take a words definition based on one group back in the 70′s that highjacked the word and made it evil. Think people..educate yourselves..be an informed voter!!
Report Post »missionarydad
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 6:53pmThis pastor is a real bigot and has no business being a pastor anywhere. Who is he to judge which Church is Jesus Christ’s. If I were looking for his Church I would really take my time and be very careful before I accused a chruch who bears Jesus Christ’s full name in their official title before this wicked world a cult. Matter of fact I just wouldn‘t be able to because even if I was right on judgement day Jesus just may ask by slandering and mocking a church that is so bold to bear my name before the world in it’s very name you have slandered and mocked me because my name is in their title. Friends I am here today to witness onto you that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is Jesus Christ’s true church and yes it is christian. How dare a pastor of a church named after one of Jesus’s followers and not Jesus Christ himself accuse one that is not called The Church of someone who knew Jesus, but The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints of not being Christian or worse yet say they are a cult. I think it is safe to say that a Church that goes by Jesus Christ’s very name is Christian.
Report Post »The10thAmendment
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 7:05pmThe Founders didn’t call the various religions of the basic tenets with-in a select group as being cults. They called them S E C T S.
No matter, it was not the Founders intention to ever allow any religion, sect or cult, including their own, hold sway over the Constitution and the Charter.
I get a lot of humor when atheists and agnostics, and OTHER cults cite Jeffersons comment “I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature” as an indictment against Christianity. The word that they refuse to look at is ORTHODOX! Under orthodox Christianity in Great Britain and throughout Europe some of the greatest crimes against humanity were waged. The Founders, and indeed, the American people fled the persecutions, and intolerance over the individual liberty of peoples minds that demanded a person to be a certain way or accept persecution, and even death because of what they disbelieved. Orthodox Christianity was a C U L T, or sect that had usurped governance and imposed tyranny on its subjects.
Jefferson always deferred to the Creator, God, Supreme Judge of the World, and he expected the people of the United States to do the same. What stands out is the fact that morals are derived from a religious persuasion, and it’s those that led to the Charter and Constitution. The apathy and subordination of those morals came by political correctness known as moral equivalence. The 2 ideals are incompatible.
Report Post »We are Americans
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 7:34pmThe Mormon religion is not considered
Report Post »a Christian church by Christian pastors.
This Pastor is not teaching hate, he is teaching
what he believes is the truth. Should he lie
just because it upsets Mormons.
The one thing I’ve learned this weekend is
that Mormons can get pretty nasty and
demeaning when you don’t agree with them.
Stop being so sensitive. If your right your saved.
Brooke Lorren
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 7:44pmI happen to be a proud Bible Thumper. I take being added to @JESUSASYLUM/suicide-watch Twitter list as a badge of honor, because I know that he hates the Bible.
By my definition of Christianity, Barack Obama has admitted to not being a Christian. To use Obama’s own words “I wasn’t sure what happens afer we die, any more than I was sure of where the soul resides of what existed before the big bang.” He said that he thinks that his mother was in Heaven, even if she wasn’t a believer. He claims the Christian name, even though he doesn‘t believe the basic truth of Christianity that we’re all sinners, Jesus died on the cross to allow our sins to be forgiven, and you have to accept that forgiveness or you won’t go to heaven.
As far as Mormonism and this preacher goes: don’t we have the right to believe what we want? I don’t think that most of the pastors that call Mormonism a cult believe that it is a Jim-Jones type of cult where one day the leader is going to tell Glenn Beck and all his fellow Mormons to drink poisoned Kool-Aid. Merriam-Webster’s Online Dictionary defines a cult, in its third definition, as “a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious”. Under that sense, if you believe that Mormonism is misguided, then it is a cult, by Biblical, conservative Christian standards.
Report Post »Brooke Lorren
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 7:52pmAdditionally, the founders of Mormonism added to the Word of God. Revelation 22:18 says “if anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book.” If you believe that John was referring to the Bible, then the founders of Mormonism have added to themselves plagues.
So what about Mormons? Are any of them going to Heaven? I believe that some of them will, just like some Baptists will, some Lutherans will, some non-denominational Christians will, etc. Joining some church does not get you into Heaven. Repenting of your sins and recognizing that Jesus died on the cross to forgive your sins, and accepting that free gift, will. I know some Mormons that seem to have that testimony. Glenn Beck seems to have that testimony.
I don’t think that Mormonism is something that should keep someone from voting for a candidate. They’re not going to try to convert you as President. If the right Mormon was running, they might be an attractive candidate, because at least they believe in the right to life, families, and almost the whole gamut of Judeo-Christian principals. You can’t say that about our current president, or of Clinton, or of a whole bunch of people out there, some of whom claim to be Christians, and some which do not.
Report Post »kmichaels
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 7:53pmThe only thing biblethumper, hankscram, etc has managed to prove is that he/they are an ignorant bigot that stinks of the same mannerisms and evil nature as your basic violent KKK member back in their day. He seems to have the type of dispostition one would find in a lynching mob. Boot and drive his angry bigoted idiotic moronic behind out of existence where his type belong. The South still seems to breed the worst bigots. Of course they are not exclusive there.
Report Post »The10thAmendment
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 7:57pm@ Brooke Lorren
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I agree with the entirety of your post. My only concern relating to a Political candidate is how his ideals fall into, or out of line with the Constitution and Nations Charter, the Declaration of Independence.
This Pastor seems to believe that his interpretation of what defines Mormonism rules out Mitt Romney, and that’s clearly wrong headed thinking because of a narrow view on the Nation by and large. I also don‘t care what Barry Soetoro’s religion is per se. BUT when religious tenets infringe on founding intent, Houston, we have a problem. The basic tenets of the Qur’an are to kill the infidel. Clearly that is contrary to the morals of establishment. Add that to the fact that Barry’s political philosophy is a cross between Maoism, Stalinism and Hitlers fascism, makes him a despot operating in High Treason to the US Constitution that guarantee’s every citizen a Republican Form of Government (4th Amendment Article IV).
His religion otherwise would be a non qualifier, or dis-qualifier. He’s in violation of the Constitution, not my religious persuasion.
Romney is the same. His policies as a Governor express a Socialistic system, again a violation of the US Constitution.
Report Post »HappyStretchedThin
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 8:35pmSure a lot of argument here about whether Mormons are Christian or not. Don’t think even the Mormons begrudge you that difference of opinion. So why not leave it at that? Why inject the word “cult”? Words MEAN things. And cult, when you’re NOT cherry-picking the most neutral but arcane meanings from the dictionary, implies something pretty specific that we all understand is pejorative: a top-down conspiracy to exploit massive amounts of otherwise innocent and harmless ignorants for nefarious purposes. People get abused in cults. People are recruited into cults. People get brain-washed in cults. People get psychologically coerced into remaining in cults. Stop pretending you don’t imply that about Mormons when you call them a cult. There’s no need for that. It’s intended to be provocative and contentious, not persuasive, not merciful, not charitable as the pure love of Christ would have it done.
Report Post »You want to say they’re not Christian by your definition, fine. Mormons have an answer thought through for each doctrinal point the fellow Blazer critics have raised here. But that’s a theological discussion that believers can have on either side. What SHOULDN‘T be disputable is that Mormons don’t look like any other cult you can name. Putting the cult word out there is neither bold, nor courageous–it’s completely inaccurate and is intended to do political damage, make no mistake.
Grey Eagle
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 8:44pmThat was a good place to make those comments, especially since Romney was there. Perry suffered even more as a result.
Report Post »LibertyGoddess
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 8:57pmI can see the Christian Taliban is at it again. Go preach your gospel, and allow others to do the same. Your “defensive” posture suggests you are insecure and not sure. P.S. Stop lying about other people. You are not changing hearts or opinions with your comments.
Report Post »maharushie
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 9:13pmcult [kuhlt] Show IPA
noun
1.a particular system of religious worship, especially with reference to its rites and ceremonies.
2.an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, especially as manifested by a body of admirers: the physical fitness cult.
3.the object of such devotion.
4.a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc.
5.Sociology . a group having a sacred ideology and a set of rites centering around their sacred symbols.
If the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is a cult so is the southern baptist convention:
The baptist movement created: 1609
Founder of the First Baptist Church: John Smyth
The Baptist movement began 1600 years after the death of Christ and it fits the official definition of a cult. There are over 30,000 different christian denominations that all teach different things. Mormons do baptize in the name of the father the son and the holy spirit. Mormons follow the teachings of Jesus Christ much closer than most “Christians.” Clearly you know nothing about Mormons.
Report Post »kmichaels
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 9:14pmWE ARE AMERICANS
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 7:34pm
The Mormon religion is not considered
a Christian church by Christian pastors.
[hogwash and propaganda. Most are fine with the LDS, some
are not, some are in-between. And since when do "Christian Pastors"
ever believe everything all the other "Christian Pastors" believe? If they
were in such a high and might unison of belief then there would be just one
version of Christian teachings. Right?]
This Pastor is not teaching hate,
[YES HE IS.}
he is teaching
what he believes is the truth. Should he lie
just because it upsets Mormons.
[Should he and you be a-holes just because you
have so much practice at it?]
The one thing I’ve learned this weekend is
that Mormons can get pretty nasty and
demeaning when you don’t agree with them.
[Yeah, they can downright be just like you,
Report Post »that idiot bibleThumper and that other idiot Hankscram.
Sort of makes is sound like you are projecting eh?]
NeoFan
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 9:18pmAh just look at the Christian love being shared by the “real christians” here on the web site of a mormon. It just makes you want to jump up and run to find a church where this form of christian love is taught. If the hate being “shared” by these so called “christians” is any hint of what their faith is like then I think I will pass. How can you look at the example that Christ set with the way he lived his life and then come to the conclusion that hatred towards your fellowman is a Christlike atribute.
Report Post »The same people have no problem getting paid for “spreading the gospel”. They see no problem taking money from the poor and using the money to buy a mercedes and a million dollar home to live in. That is not Christian. Its pure evil.
SamIamTwo
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 9:20pmI’m not a Mormon but I do study up for a chance to have a civil discussion with them…what you all should know is that Mormons have and are making changes. Even their apologetic gurus have conclude that Joseph Smith may not have gotten it correct. The so called end of the christian church became corrupted after the apostles died is in jeopardy…so they say not me.
As hard as they try to prove that, they are becoming aware that Christianity did not die.
http://www.equip.org/articles/mormons-and-patristic-studies
They have had more than a few changes over the years…and it is my believe that eventually they will get it right. We still live under a period of grace, which some seem to have forgotten.
So far they have failed to produce even a shred of pre-columbian archeological evidence supporting the Book of Mormon story…eventually they will figure it out…
Their Book of Mormon keeps on evolving…they now accept black people. Many changes have been made. As a matter of fact Joseph Smith had over 4k misspelled words…and it was suppose to be character perfect?
I figure they will eventually realize that Joseph Smith missed the mark. To me they are seekers of truth and if that is true then God is surely to enlighten them.
They are good people, give them a chance.
If I did not know better I’d say GB is a Christian.
Test everything in light of scripture and hold fast to that which is true and good. Have your discussions with gentleness and resp
Report Post »kmichaels
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 9:59pmSAMIAMTWO
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 9:20pm
I’m not a Mormon.
[That part is obvious. You are typical anti-mormon]
but I do study up for a chance to have a civil discussion with them…
[by civil you mean badmouth them but in a kind manner, he he he]
what you all should know is that Mormons have and are making changes.
[nothing compared to the changes evident in the Christian church. So, change is good or bad? Or do your ethics change with the wind?}
Even their apologetic gurus have conclude that Joseph Smith may not have gotten it correct.
[samples were not forth-coming.]
The so called end of the christian church became corrupted after the apostles died is in jeopardy…so they say not me. As hard as they try to prove that, they are becoming aware that Christianity did not die.
[The LDS never claimed that Christianity died. It claimed that there would come a falling away first, then a restoration. Actually, they just repeat the claim that was made in the New Testament. What was meant by it is as unclear in the new testament as it is unclear to self-righteous SAMIAMTWO]
http://www.equip.org/articles/mormons-and-patristic-studies
[read it. A bunch of hogwash to be sure. Wreaks of idiotic small-minded assumptions about what someone else must have been thinking]
They have had more than a few changes over the years…
[as if the Christian religions over time have never changed. You are a JOKE]
Report Post »The10thAmendment
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 10:20pmUnfortunately people seem to be missing the point. That Pastor is trying to make a political point against Romney, and as my brother, Herman Cain would say, “That don‘t won’t hunt”.
I don’t care if Romney worships a grain of sand on some rock in orbit around Vega. IT DOES NOT MATTER! Repeat. IT DOES NOT MATTER.
That Pastor is bulls-eye wrong making a point about Romney’s religious persuasion. WHAT ARE ROMNEYS POLITICS? Do those politics align with the Constitution, and will he support and defend that Constitution with is his sacred trust to uphold?
In my opinion Romney is a right wing socialist by his manner of governing, and his conversation. That’s contrary to the mandate of the Constitution. It’s been said that Romney is a Mormon. Who frigging cares, that’s not relevant because the chains of the Constitution were designed to prevent sectarian obfuscation of the limited powers.
If the Constitution is negative doctrine, it is ONLY a negative doctrine for those elected representatives to prevent them from infringing for or against the equal rights shared by all the people. Jefferson again was right.
” A wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor and bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government. ”
The rest is anti-Constitutional.
Report Post »Pete
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 10:21pmBiblethumper, could you please tell us what religion you follow and a little of its history so we can get a perspective of where you get your beliefs.
Report Post »CottonMPG
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 10:27pmAs a Bible believing Christian Mormonism is considered a cult. No one is forcing you or anyone else to agree with that anymore than we are forcing you to believe the Bible is true. The Bible teaches things as true that are diametrically opposed to what is taught in Mormonism. One or the other is true, not both. For instance, the Bible teaches that God is Father, Son and Holy Spirit, co-eternal, uncreated, holy fully God. Mormonism teaches that Satan and Jesus are spirit brothers sired by heavenly father by some female god on another planet. They also believe it is possible to attain godhood. I haven’t studied Mormonism in depth but the very nature and person of God is different. Even a quick over view of the main tenants will show that Christianity and Mormonism are mutually exclusive.
cult (klt)
Report Post »1.n.
a. A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader.
b. The followers of such a religion or sect.
2. A system or community of religious worship and ritual.
3. The formal means of expressing religious reverence; religious ceremony and ritual.
4. A usually nonscientific method or regimen claimed by its originator to have exclusive or exceptional power in curing a particular disease.
5.
a. Obsessive, especially faddish, devotion to or veneration for a person, principle, or thing.
b. The object of such devotion.
bmarchand
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 11:20pmHey, KMICHAELS, why all the hate?
“KMICHAELS
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 9:59pm
SAMIAMTWO
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 9:20pm
[That part is obvious. You are typical anti-mormon]
>>Really, dude? I sure don’t see that. Why do you say that?
[by civil you mean badmouth them but in a kind manner, he he he]
>>Do you know this for a fact?
[nothing compared to the changes evident in the Christian church. So, change is good or bad? Or do your ethics change with the wind?}
>>Yes, the institution of the church has changed, but can you show me where the Bible, in it's original form as we know it, has?
[samples were not forth-coming.]
>>True.
[The LDS never claimed that Christianity died. It claimed that there would come a falling away first, then a restoration. Actually, they just repeat the claim that was made in the New Testament. What was meant by it is as unclear in the new testament as it is unclear to self-righteous SAMIAMTWO]
>>Where do you get this assertion from? Or is it just your opinion? And again with the hate – really?
[read it. A bunch of hogwash to be sure. Wreaks of idiotic small-minded assumptions about what someone else must have been thinking]
>>Examples not forthcoming (kinda like before with SAMIAMTOO, huh?)
[as if the Christian religions over time have never changed. You are a JOKE
Report Post »>>And again with the hate. Yes, religions – man’s institutions – do change. But, are we talking about the institutions or Christianity? Raise your ga
FranciscoDAnconia
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 11:28pmROWGUE- Its sure easy to say that when you are on the other side. They are using the term cult to demean and discredit Romney. Why else would he say it? If he isn‘t a christian than he isn’t as good of a candidate. Christians are better than Mormons. Thats just the truth. Its bigoted but its just the way christians are. They are scared of the big bad Mormon church. The name of the church is “the church of Jesus Christ of Latter day saints” but its not Christian. If Christians can’t vote for Mormons than Mormons should not vote for Christians. I challenge anyone who believes that this pastor is using ‘cult’ in a positive light. Thats a blatant lie. If you really think that Mormons are part of some cult than stop listening to Glenn beck. you wouldn’t want him putting some thing in your kool-aide. Christians=Bigots
Report Post »We are Americans
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 11:51pm@kmichaels. If you were trying to change
Report Post »my mind about Mormons you actually
insulted me like I have been all weekend
from your fellow Mormons. I never really
had issues with anyone from your faith but
you have made me see things from a different way
Obviously you hate free speech. Obviously you
have a dislike for bible only based churches.
Obviously you like to put others down and try
and ridicule their statements point by point to
proove your intellectual prowess.
I don’t know your heart so I cannot judge you
I will say this though. If it’s not from Christ then
it is from the evil one.
Many pastors do believe this.
I have studied the bible. Honestly, I havnt studied
the book of Mormon.
But answer me this.why would God choose
Joseph Smith as his messenger to start this
new church?
If the bible is not enough for you and if it
is not your desire to submit yourself to
the Lord I cant help you.
Only Jesus can. Good luck and God bless.
The10thAmendment
Posted on October 10, 2011 at 12:44am@ CottonMPG
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 10:27pm
As a Bible believing Christian Mormonism is considered a cult. No one is forcing you or anyone else to agree with that anymore than we are forcing you to believe the Bible is true. The Bible teaches things as true that are diametrically opposed to what is taught in Mormonism.
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Can’t the same thing be said about the time when Jesus was a flesh and blood person in Israel, being diametrically opposed to the established view from those who practiced Judaism? My religious teaching has nothing to do with using a religious ideology to condemn a political candidate. Even Jesus pointed out simple truths, such as who’s inscription was on a coin and what should be done with it. Render unto Caesar the things that be Caesars, and the things to God, which are Gods. He showed a separation of Church and State. Not for beliefs, but for society as a whole. Government is a terror only to those who are not content with the state they’re in.
In America the Declaration and Constitution is the Government we were given. Those are the only requirements for our politicians to abide with-in. What their religion, cult, sect, or whatever is, does not matter.
Report Post »bmarchand
Posted on October 10, 2011 at 12:46amHey, MISSIONARYDAD, if I may butcher Shakespeare for a moment – What is in a name? Is a church of Jesus Christ by any other name not as true… or holy… or saved?
Report Post »Conservativeforlife99
Posted on October 10, 2011 at 1:33amChrist organized the Church (Eph 4:11-14)
The true church must bear the name of Jesus Christ (Eph 5:23)
The true church must have a foundation of Apostles and Prophets (Eph 2:19-20)
The true church must have the same organization as Christ’s Church (Eph 4:11-14)
The true church must claim divine authority (Heb 4:4-10)
The true church must have no paid ministry (Acts 20:33-34; John 10:11-13)
The true church must baptize by immersion (Matt 3:13-16)
The true church must bestow the gift of the Holy Ghost by the laying on of hands (Acts 8:14-17)
The true church must practice divine healing (Mark 3:14-15)
The true church must teach that God and Jesus are separate and distinct individuals (John 17:11; 20:17)
The true church must teach that God and Jesus have bodies of flesh and bone (Luke 23:36-39; Acts 1:9-11; Heb 1:1-3)
The officers must be called by God (Heb 4:4; Ex 28:1; 40:13-16)
The true church must claim revelation from God (Amos 3:7)
The true church must be a missionary church (Matt 28:19-20)
The true church must be a restored church (Acts 3:19-20)
The true church must practice baptism for the dead (1Cor 15:16&29)
“By their fruits ye shall know them.” (Matt 7:20)
……………………….only one church meets all these new testament requirements…LDS
Report Post »jackbauer2012
Posted on October 10, 2011 at 3:56amThe reason Mormonism fits the definition of a cult is because the men and some Christian Pastors who hated Mormonism and had an axe to grind against it. Had changed the meaning of a Cult to fit the religion of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Otherwise known as Mormons.
Report Post »An Arizonan
Posted on October 10, 2011 at 4:16amMitt Romney is a Christian. He believes and worships Jesus Christ. Jeffress is an idiot.
Report Post »Brooke Lorren
Posted on October 10, 2011 at 4:23amI‘m going to have to disagree with someone’s above statement that Christians are better than other people. I know that I’m not. I’m a sinner just like everybody else. I just happen to have my sins forgiven. That doesn’t make me better in any way, shape, or form. I guess I can’t speak for anybody else, but just for myself.
Report Post »StonyBurk
Posted on October 10, 2011 at 5:32amI agree with Jeffress ,and with Morris,Mormonism contains all elements necessary for a cult. I can understand WHY political candidates acknowledge this is a distraction –something exploited by the secular media and those who are anti-Christian. That Romney attacked Bryan Fisher,and not Jeffress because Fisher has said Romney doesn’t follow the teaching of the Mormon church by imposing same sex marriage in Mass. Says a lot about Romney.And I will NOT vote for any candidate who does not support “marriage” as between a man and a woman -and nothing added as like it.
Report Post »kmichaels
Posted on October 10, 2011 at 11:28amWe are Americans
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 11:51pm
@kmichaels. If you were trying to change
my mind about Mormons you actually
insulted me …
[Seriously, you insult all mormons then complain when you are insulted. Get used to some of your own.]
” Obviously you hate free speech.”
[I hear this comment from liberals all the time. You disagree with their points then suddenly you hate free speech. It was stupid when they did and likewise when you do it.]
Obviously you have a dislike for bible only based churches.
[Obviously you feel that the bible just magically appeared as one printed book. Read some history. It is a collection of books over hundreds of years. New scripture over time from God is the pattern and the norm]
Obviously you like to put others down and try and ridicule their statements point by point
[obviously you are projecting...]
[ But answer me this.why would God choose
Joseph Smith as his messenger to start this
new church?]
It is not a new church, but a continuation of one church of God. Why does God choose prophets? You tell me. Consider all the past prophets and answer you own question.
If the bible is not enough for you and if it
[If the Old Testament (the bible of their day) was not enough for Christians then ... notice the pattern yet?]
is not your desire to submit yourself to the Lord I cant help you.
[My lord asked me to research, ponder and prayer over all of the words of God, not just s
Report Post »ValiantDefender
Posted on October 10, 2011 at 1:16pm@All Anti-Mormon people due to the “book of mormon adding to the bible”
Deuteronomy 12:32
What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.
Deuteronomy 4:2
Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.
Rev 22:19
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the abook of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Revelations isn’t even the last book, chronologically, to be written that is included in the bible. It is difficult to find a site that lists actual chronological order. In the very least, John’s other 3 letters written (books) were after revelations. Clearly John is referring to adding to/changing the letter now referred to as “revelations”. The “book” wasn’t part of the new Testament for a long time after it was written and John was dead and gone.
In the end, John’s words do not limit an all powerful God from sending prophets among his people(s) in other nations. If those prophet’s words were written and preserved, they are scripture…perhaps more yet to be found?
Report Post »Sirfoldallot
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 1:10pmNow it’s a relgious of war ? WTH, thought this was freedom of religon, quit, just stop, please stop with the dumb **** , we have a nation to save.
Report Post »maharushie
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 9:29pmHe Thumpy – Still believe in that Trinity or the do you believe in the bible?
55 But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. 56 “Look,” he said, “I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.”
Nice Trick Eh? The Trinity is a ridiculous concept devised at the council of Nicea by Tertulian, a man devoid of gospel light and revelation as you are.
Report Post »kmichaels
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 9:38pmYes, BibleThumper, you have the freedom to make an a-hole of yourself and you have availed yourself that specific freedom many times. However, most of us are quick learners and do not need your repeated a-hole declarations to draw to the correct conclusion that you are indeed an a-hole. So stop with your witnessing that you are an a-hole because we got your point after your first a-hole comments.
Report Post »bmarchand
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 11:56pm@BIBLETHUMPER
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 1:15pm
“hey dude, i also have freedom to rip Mormonism up and preach against it if I want, so shut up”
>>Actually, sir, I would have to disagree with you on that, IF you consider yourself a follower of Jesus Christ. I do believe Scripture teaches us to love our enemies, to not repay evil with evil, to bless those who curse us, to give an answer for the hope that is in us with gentleness and respect and to speak the truth in love. Now, would you care to hold your assertion up against Scripture?
Report Post »bmarchand
Posted on October 10, 2011 at 12:07am@MAHARUSHIE
“He Thumpy – Still believe in that Trinity or the do you believe in the bible?
55 But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. 56 “Look,” he said, “I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.”
Nice Trick Eh? The Trinity is a ridiculous concept devised at the council of Nicea by Tertulian, a man devoid of gospel light and revelation as you are.”
>>Wow, I gotta say – that is some incredible misuse of Scripture. While I contend that the trinity is a difficult concept to understand, Stephen’s vision of two distinct entities of God does not discount the trinity. There are a number of passages that would support the trinity – “I and the Father are one” for example. But let me ask you this – if Jesus was not fully God and fully man, then he could not be sinless, for all men are born into sin; if Jesus was not sinless, then he could not be an acceptable offering for our sin; if he was not an acceptable offering for our sin, then his death on the cross was meaningless, our sins are not forgiven and we are not saved. Then where, sir, do you place your salvation?
Report Post »kmichaels
Posted on October 10, 2011 at 11:51ambmarchand
Posted on October 10, 2011 at 12:07am
@MAHARUSHIE
“Wow, I gotta say – that is some incredible misuse of Scripture. While I contend that the trinity is a difficult concept to understand, Stephen’s vision of two distinct entities of God does not discount the trinity.”
It is pretty logical evidence against the trinity. As is the example of Jesus, praying to his Father in heaven, on behalf of his followers. The idea of God talking to himself in this otherwise pointless excercise is just plain dumb. The trinity is corrupt idea invented by man.
“There are a number of passages that would support the trinity – “I and the Father are one” for example.”
I would beg to differ. There are zero scriptures supporting the idea of trinity. Me saying my wife and I are one is hardly claiming that we are some specialized one person with dual manifestations. We simply tend to agree with the same basic principals.
Christ prayed to his Father that he and his many (millions now) of followers could be one with him as (in the same manner) that Christ was one with God. How do you logically explain that event? Do you assume that millions of people will now become some super duper conglomerate entity? You obviously have not studied. You hold onto the idea of trinity because you are afraid to let go of your man-made concepts.
Report Post »bmarchand
Posted on October 10, 2011 at 11:07pm@KMICHAEL
“I would beg to differ. There are zero scriptures supporting the idea of trinity. Me saying my wife and I are one is hardly claiming that we are some specialized one person with dual manifestations. We simply tend to agree with the same basic principals.
Christ prayed to his Father that he and his many (millions now) of followers could be one with him as (in the same manner) that Christ was one with God. How do you logically explain that event? Do you assume that millions of people will now become some super duper conglomerate entity? You obviously have not studied. You hold onto the idea of trinity because you are afraid to let go of your man-made concepts.”
See, again with the arrogance and hate. Why, man? Why do you feel the need to put down everyone who disagrees with you with blanket assumptions? Why do you see yourself as so superior? The example I gave is one that I took off the top of my head for the sake of time and space. Your reply is nonsensical – we’re not talking about two human beings, we’re talking about an eternal, omnipotent God. Am I well versed in the intricacies of the trinity? No. But I know of many scholars and theologians who are, and they do support the concept. I can go dig that up if you’d like, but I don’t see this as the time or place for it. I do know one thing, you don’t claim to be a Christian and then arrogantly browbeat your brothers because they disagree with you. Check your pride, Brother.
Report Post »Navysquid
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 1:09pmThey do not baptize is the name of the father, the son and the holy spirit.
Amazing what people DO NOT know about Mormons and yet speak as if they are experts. When one is baptized in The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-Day Saints, part of the prayer revealed as Christ told the Apostles was to baptize “in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost”
I invite anyone that does not understand “Mormonism” to walk into any of the thousands of chapels around the WORLD and sit and listen to our meetings. You will hear more talk about Jesus Christ and be filled with the Spirit like you never have before and will come to a more clearer understanding of why we are Christians and thus wipe all the falsehoods that get spread daily about us. This is what others who are baptized into Christ’s church experience daily around the WORLD. Why would our Church be one of the fastest growing churches in the WORLD if people thought it to be a cult. Do you not think after almost 200 years of scrutiny that someone would have found the falsehoods and the Church would be shrinking but instead it is growing because people feel the Savior‘s spirit in our meetings and believe and know that this is Christ’s Church once again in its fulness as it was when He left it to the Apostles before they were executed.
Report Post »UNBOTHERED
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 1:18pmAs if you’ve walked in thousands of them. Why don’t you worry about what you believe in and let others worry about what they believe in. When you die you are going to have to answer for YOUR SINS, not the sins of everybody else.
vivrobbins
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 1:22pmWhy do Mormons baptize for the dead? Is there a second way to God after death?
Report Post »vivrobbins
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 1:28pmWhy would our Church be one of the fastest growing churches in the WORLD if people thought it to be a cult. Simple, you provide what is needed in the world today. Like minded people. Millions of people are searching for truth. Many are called but few are chosen.
Report Post »Nasado
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 1:34pmThey do it for all those who never had the chance to hear of Christ in this life. There are millions of people who have lived who never had the opportunity to accept Christ (those in the East, Africa, Muslim countries in the past and some in the present) and we believe you have to accept Him to be saved. Therefore it is a way for them to hear of Christ after this life and choose to accept Him or not. If they were not given that chance, and were condemned because of it, then God would not be merciful and just and therefore he could not be God.
Report Post »Navysquid
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 1:34pmHey Unbothered,
Report Post »I am responding to people like you who define what my Church is as if it is truth and it is nothing but false or misrepresentations. So I do encourage you to walk into any of the thousands of chapels around the world. WHY? because just like the Savior’s church that the Apostles spread throughout the land was the same Gospel taught from Rome to Corinth to Galatia just as our Doctrine (Christ’s Doctrine) is the same taught all over the world. Name me a church where you can walk into any church around the world that comes from the same church and the same message is taught. There is not any because all of your churches are too divided and people leave because they may not like what that preacher preaches or various other reasons. The Savior’s gospel was not a divided gospel it united not divided. I invite you to come out to any LDS chapel next Sunday and just sit and listen and see if your perspective does not change for the better.
momprayn
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 1:38pmWith all due respect — when they refer to “The Son”, they mean the created one (as the angels) – He is not recognized as “God”, as in the Trinity…..3 in 1. That‘s what the others meant when saying you don’t believe in the Trinity, etc. Re “talk about Jesus” in your sermons, that does not correct that unbiblical stance & does not mean you’re hearing the correct things. As for longstanding, there are hundreds of religions that have been around for over a thousand years that are incorrect – ppl are easily duped & don’t do their homework – human nature. The Book of Mormon is contrary to the Bible on many issues. Jesus said when He ascended that He would send His Holy Spirit to further instruct us through His apostles in the New Testament. Those tell us that the Bible is COMPLETE, all that we need and if anyone else – even an angel from heaven tells you anything different – they are cursed. Also satan can appear as an “angel of light” – Smith saw a demonic angel as proved by the nonbiblcial changes & additions. 2 Tim. 3:16, 17, 2 John 1: 10, 11; 2 Corinthians 11:14; Galatians 1:8 BTW the same with Muslims/Muhammad – saw demonic angels.
Report Post »Jesus was “God” – John 1:1, where a study of the Greek word order meant “God”, NOT “a god”.
These are just a few of errors. Many websites re former Mormons that give great testimonies if you really want to do what God/Jesus wants you to do & ditch your pride, “fleshly” wants. God bless.
Navysquid
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 1:49pmVIVROBBINS,
Part 1
Christian theologians have long wrestled with the question, What is the destiny of the billions who have lived and died with no knowledge of Jesus? With the Restoration of the gospel of Jesus Christ has come the understanding of how the unbaptized dead are redeemed and how God can be “a perfect, just God, and a merciful God also” (Alma 42:15).
While yet in life, Jesus prophesied that He would also preach to the dead. Peter tells us this happened in the interval between the Savior’s Crucifixion and Resurrection (see 1 Peter 3:18–19). President Joseph F. Smith (1838–1918) witnessed in vision that the Savior visited the spirit world and “from among the righteous [spirits], he organized his forces and appointed messengers, clothed with power and authority, and commissioned them to go forth and carry the light of the gospel to them that were in darkness. …
Report Post »Navysquid
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 1:51pmVIVROBBINS,
Report Post »Part 2
The principle of vicarious service should not seem strange to any Christian. In the baptism of a living person, the officiator acts, by proxy, in place of the Savior. And is it not the central tenet of our faith that Christ’s sacrifice atones for our sins by vicariously satisfying the demands of justice for us? As President Gordon B. Hinckley (1910–2008) expressed: “I think that vicarious work for the dead more nearly approaches the vicarious sacrifice of the Savior Himself than any other work of which I know. It is given with love, without hope of compensation, or repayment or anything of the kind. What a glorious principle.” 1
Some have misunderstood and suppose that deceased souls “are being baptized into the Mormon faith without their knowledge.” 2 They assume that we somehow have power to force a soul in matters of faith. Of course, we do not. God gave man his agency from the beginning. The Church does not list them on its rolls or count them in its membership.
Our anxiety to redeem the dead and the time and resources we put behind that commitment are, above all, an expression of our witness concerning Jesus Christ. It constitutes as powerful a statement as we can make concerning His divine character and mission. It testifies, first, of Christ’s Resurrection; second, of the infinite reach of His Atonement; third, that He is the sole source of salvation; fourth, that He has established the conditions for salvation; and, fifth, that He
Navysquid
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 1:53pmVIVROBBINS,
Report Post »Part 3
As regards the Resurrection, Paul asked, “Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?” (1 Corinthians 15:29). We are baptized for the dead because we know that they will rise. “The soul shall be restored to the body, and the body to the soul; yea, and every limb and joint shall be restored to its body; yea, even a hair of the head shall not be lost; but all things shall be restored to their proper and perfect frame” (Alma 40:23). “For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living” (Romans 14:9).
It matters tremendously what we do in relation to those who have gone before, because they live today as spirits and shall live again as immortal souls, and that because of Jesus Christ. We believe His words when He said, “I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live” (John 11:25). By the baptisms we perform in behalf of the dead, we testify that “as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. …
“For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
“The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death” (1 Corinthians 15:22, 25–26).
The Third Archon
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 3:58pmAlso, Glenn Beck is a Mormon.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 4:01pm“They do it for all those who never had the chance to hear of Christ in this life. ”
you need to read Romans 9…God decides from before the beginning of the earth who will be saved, and who won’t be saved….Jacob He love, but Esau he hated….He doesn’t need our help…
Abraham didn’t know about what Jesus would do, but he believed God and it was recknoned to him as righteousness…..he didn’t have to be baptized either…
Report Post »Pappypatriot
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 6:19pm@MOMPRAYN,
Wrong, When we refer to the Son, we mean Jesus Christ who is the son of God and God a member of the Godhead, just like God the Father is God and God the Holy Ghost is God. You are invited to attend our church and find out first hand how we believe, the biggest majority that you read on Blogs and websites is deliberate distortions and outright lies by enemies of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.. If you want to know the truth of what we do believe come out to our services or go to http://www.mormon.org
Report Post »Joey8
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 8:18pm@Joe1234
Report Post »I’m happy to state a difference between your belief and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, we believe that Jesus Christ was know from the beginning of the world. Adam and Eve taught their children about the promised Messiah as did Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. They sacrificed animals in similitude of the Savior. The main job of a prophet is to teach of Jesus Christ, HE is the message, the word. I know how crazy and different that is from mainstream Christianity.
joel228
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 10:47pmJoe1234, you claim “God decides from before the beginning of the earth who will be saved, and who won’t be saved” and interpret Paul’s teachings in Roman chp 9 to mean that.
What would you say to Peter’s teachings in Acts 10?
34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
So you believe that God is a respecter of persons and that God would rob Peter to pay Paul? Isn’t it more likely that your interpretation of what Paul taught is incorrect? Isn’t it more likely that all Paul was saying is that God has the foreknowledge to know who will have faith, believe his word, and obey his commandments and be saved?
On a side note unless God plans to create people for the sake of putting them in eternal torment, we must have existed “before the beginning of the earth” and God knew us then. Name a church besides LDS that teaches our pre-earth existence and for ordinations.
Remember Paul’s warning about teaching a gospel other than the one he taught. Also notice what Peter said about “worketh righteousness”. Works don’t save by themselves but are needed. Do you think Peter taught another gospel?
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on October 10, 2011 at 9:30am“Joe1234, you claim “God decides from before the beginning of the earth who will be saved, and who won’t be saved” and interpret Paul’s teachings in Roman chp 9 to mean that.
What would you say to Peter’s teachings in Acts 10?
”
We have free will from our perspective…but God is not bound by our logic and our limits…He knows who are His, and has selected them from eternity past…but gives us free will…and no we will never understand this fully.
Anytime you add man’s work, man’s will, man’s effort to salvation….its pride and sinful. Its all God and His mercy, HIs grace, His gift…nothing you can do to earn it..
“On a side note unless God plans to create people for the sake of putting them in eternal torment, we must have existed “before the beginning of the earth” and God knew us then. Name a church besides LDS that teaches our pre-earth existence and for ordinations.”
So why did God HATE Esau before he was born? learn the lesson of Romans 9
14 What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! 15 For he says to Moses,
“I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,
and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”[f]
16 It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God’s mercy. 17 For Scripture says to Pharaoh: “I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.”[g] 18 Therefore God has mercy on w
Report Post »kmichaels
Posted on October 10, 2011 at 5:39pmJOE1234 is under the idiotic impression that God hates somebody or loves somebody based on a whim, and not, as is the truth, his total knowledge of their exact makeup. God, as his own words states, is not a respecter of men, he judges equally, and he judges based on people’s actual heart and actual works. JOE1234 implies that God just “mysteriously” decides who to love and who to hate, when any person with any amount of brains would be able to understand that God uses a standard of righteous measurement to determine who is worthy and who is not. JOE1234 is so caught up in his bigotry that he can’t think straight.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on October 10, 2011 at 9:26pm“JOE1234 is under the idiotic impression that God hates somebody or loves somebody based on a whim”
you mean like your false mormon god decides on a whim whether black people are worthy of being a priest or not?
“God, as his own words states, is not a respecter of men, he judges equally, and he judges based on people’s actual heart and actual works. ”
not the God of the bible….I would say get a clue, but since you’re obviously as dumb as a box of rocks…here explain gomer…
Romans 9:
10 Not only that, but Rebekah’s children were conceived at the same time by our father Isaac. 11 Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad—in order that God’s purpose in election might stand: 12 not by works but by him who calls—she was told, “The older will serve the younger.”[d] 13 Just as it is written: “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”[e]
14 What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! 15 For he says to Moses,
“I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,
and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”[f]
although this is casting pearls before swine….
Report Post »vivrobbins
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 1:07pmMormonism is a religious cult. They add requirements to salvation in Christ. It’s a salvation of works, of following more (extra) rules to get you own world in the afterlife. Jesus says if you seek “Me” you shall find “Me”. Many bone Baptist eventually find Christ, as do many other “born into religion” find true salvation through Jesus. It’s God business to show the way unto the Light. It’s our business to be the light in the world.
Report Post »Navysquid
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 1:21pmNot every that says unto me Lord, Lord will enter into the Kingdom but he that DOETH the will of My Father…
Also Jesus taught us to OBEY the commandments (which I do not about you) but that takes WORK. Yes, it is by the Lord’s grace we are saved but we still have to work for the rest of our lives to show the Lord we love him. The Savior taught many parables about those who love Him work out their faith and do unto the least of these my brethren have done it unto Me…Mormons believe this what it means to be faithful and always engaged in a good cause and as Paul taught that we seek after these things that are praiseworthy, of good report, etc etc meaning you do not sit on your DUFF and think I AM SAVED but you go out every day and show the Lord you love him by taking care of the least of His brethren.
Report Post »TOO many “Christians” believe that they can do whatever they want the rest of their lives and all will be well…while those Christians that do not believe that way and try to do their best each day to mankind then that is EXACTLY how Mormons behave as well. Many of you know Mormons in your neighborhoods or at work and that is why we all are generally “engaged in a good cause” because we take what the Savior seriously and want to help all people of all races, colors, creeds, etc etc…
Did you know that whenever a disaster breaks out in the WORLD that the LDS Church is usually one of the first on the scene and we DONATE millions to countries to help them recover and
jado1981
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 3:07pm@Navy,
Report Post »Does that mean the thief on the cross that asked Christ to remember him when he entered Heaven was not allowed to come since he didn’t have faith + works? Maybe Jesus had it wrong? I believe Him when he said, “I say to you, Today, you WILL be in paradise.”
Too many people try to tack on additional requirements to Jesus’ payment for our sins on the cross. Remember, he said, “It is finished.”
When you add and take away from the Bible, it‘s hard to know when you’ve added and taken enough away. Let it stand.
joe1234
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 4:04pm“Also Jesus taught us to OBEY the commandments (which I do not about you) but that takes WORK. Yes, it is by the Lord’s grace we are saved but we still have to work for the rest of our lives to show the Lord we love him”
this is one of the big reasons mormonism isn’t christian…
it doesn’t take works…we are saved by grace through faith….no works will ever do…..and we don’t have to show the Lord anything HE ALREADY KNOWS…how hard is this?
oh but you mormons have so many gods to show things to don’t you now?
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 4:12pm“Also Jesus taught us to OBEY the commandments (which I do not about you) but that takes WORK. ”
oh and thinking you can earn your salvation by your works, and you morons think that, is nothing more than the sin of pride….the original sin of satan….
Abraham believed God and it was reckoned to him as righteousness…he did nothing, no works, no baptism…nothing.
Report Post »kmichaels
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 9:48pmVIVROBBINS
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 1:07pm
Mormonism is a religious cult. They add requirements to salvation in Christ.
Christ himself had what would be additional requirements to get into heaven than what some so-called Christians teach today. I prefer to take it straight from the horses mouth on these issues. The words of Christ testify that we must keep the commandments of God, that we MUST live by EVERY word that comes from the mouth of God.
For those that teach less than what Christ taught, VIVROBBINS for example, then the fault lies in him. He has not done his homework and he has been deceived into believing in less than what Christ himself required.
IF YOU LOVE ME, KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS. SAVE A MAN BE BORN OF THE WATER AND THE SPIRIT HE CAN IN NO WISE ENTER THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. Etc, etc.
We can have these debates all year long. Mormons tend to study the scriptures religiously, as they say. So be prepared to go to the matresses if you want to continue this debate.
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 1:07pmThat’s right Herman…. don’t get side-tracked into the progressive sewer of rhetoric and name calling. You have my vote.
Report Post »GeoInSD
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 1:06pmMormons baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Unless there is a difference between the Holy Ghost and the Holy Spirit, Father Morris is incorrect in what he said about baptism. Other than this point, I believe Father Morris is right on.
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 1:18pmIt’s still, “Big Daddy, JC and the Spook” no matter how you look at it.
Report Post »roent
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 3:02pmYes, we worship Jesus, and the Father, who are one.
Report Post »roent
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 3:19pm?? The Father and Jesus are one God, one deity… polytheism is believing in more than one, no?
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 1:05pmYep, this one is going to get extremely ugly…
pass the popcorn
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 1:12pmThat’s right Herman…. don’t get side-tracked into the progressive sewer of rhetoric and name calling. I’ve noticed that Cain will “face” the MSM head-on while all the other’s stick to the safe Fox News playground.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 1:20pmCain gave the best response possible as did Bachmann. They were not suckered into an irrelevant argument.
Report Post »joel228
Posted on October 10, 2011 at 12:32amBachmann has been number one on my list of preferred candidates and Cain has been right up there. But they both lose a little respect from me by fearing to lose their evangelical base by giving Christian credit to The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter Day Saints.
Report Post »RightPolitically
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 1:04pmIt‘s nice to see that Herman Cain knows how to stand up to liberal media’s attempt to distract and destroy. He is focused and is THE REAL DEAL. Cain 2012.
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 1:15pm@RightPolitically
Report Post »That’s exactly what we need when it comes time for the debates with Obama. Cain has my vote.
Dudley Do-Right
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 2:19pmI still think Rick Perry is fanning the flames of this fire. Why is this instigator still speaking for him? ““Rick Perry’s a Christian. He’s an evangelical Christian, a follower of Jesus Christ.” If Perry didn’t want this controversy to continue, he’d tell this holier than though trouble maker to shut the hell up!
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 2:35pmYes, one has to wonder whether Perry is playing the Huckabee tactic, but by proxy.
Attackiong a politician’s religion, even if he’s a snake handler, is a tacit admission of a losing argument.
Report Post »sensibleadult
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 1:01pmIt IS a cult, and when all of you get through disagreeing it will STILL be a cult.
Report Post »slr4528
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 1:11pmI tell you what is a cult, the 999 tax plan. Herman has hypnotized the GOP on the beauty of a mandatory national sales tax.
I don’t see how a mandated national sales tax for everyone to pay on top of the state national sales tax is acceptable. I also watched Herman Cain today as he made the talk show circuits and he said that you will not have to pay the national sales tax on used items just new. So the government is essentially going to influence what people buy and don’t buy. It is going to be really fun to see how Cain and future administrations decide what should be taxed and not taxed.
Most likely this tax will be slapped on everything including essentials,food,clothes,utilities,telephone all goods and services.
If(Huge if) this bill gets passed through Congress Cains team will probably make concessions and the working middle class families will get hosed once again. Cain has no control over what future administrations will do(-just look at Obama.)
An Obama administration could come in and change the 9% income tax to a progressive tax where the rich and middle classes pay more than the lower income brackets. The national sales tax would never go away and will only go up or it even most likely transition into a European VAT.
I am absolutely shocked that the GOP would be the ones to introduce a national sales tax. This is simply a short sited and irresponsible plan.
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 2:54pmThe nut of Cain’s platform is not “9-9-9.” Who knows what hat he pulled those numbers out of? Maybe he started with “6-6-6,” but thought better of it. . . .
Cain’s real radicalism lies in his proposal simply to junk the existing tax code. Away with all tax credits, deductions, writeoffs, exclusions and other loopholes. No special favors for fossil fuels or green energy, for capital gains or home mortgage interest.
Start there, abolish corporate income taxes and flatten personal income tax rates, and watch government revenues go up even as the overall tax burden, on rich and poor alike, goes down.
Report Post »audiemurphy
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 10:20pmJeffries is a FOOL! He says in his opening answer that Mormonism has only been around s
Report Post »1800 years after Christ. And was started by a man named Joseph Smith.
Hmmmmmm……. the Baptists(southern Baptists) at that have been around even less and started as the re-baptizers or anabaptists shortly after the protestant movement thanks to the printing press making Bibles avail to the common man! Which common man started the baptist church ?
Oh I will say atleast the American Joseph Smith Claimed he spoke
with God the Father and his son Jesus Christ and was commanded to do the works he did.
Including translation of the Book of Mormon into English all 530 pages of it which 12 million people world wide regard as Gods word recorded by the ancient inhabitants of the Americas.
And Contains the account of The resurrected Saviour Jesus Christ appearing to them after his crucifiction in Jerusalem. Mainstream Christianity has a problem with that because the doctrinal differences mean only 1 religion can be of god and If so it proves their to not be of
god. That is bad for business! Remember ……..
THE TRUTH HAS NO AGENDA!
pat
Posted on October 13, 2011 at 11:48amwhy do you insist on insulting the intelligence of 14 MILLION people?
Report Post »i am not in a cult. we are none of us in a cult. we come and go as we please.
seriously.
Locked
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 1:01pmThe church of LDS does believe in Jesus and God. They just think that the Bible wasn’t the end of the story, and where the Book of Mormon differs with the Bible, the former is the actual truth.
They’re as Christian as Islam. Both believe in Christ, both had latter prophets claiming their way is the right one, and both differ radically from the teachings of the Bible.
Report Post »GeoInSD
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 1:13pmYou are incorrect in saying that Mormons are as Christian as Muslims, unless you believe Muslims accept Jesus as Savior. To Muslims, Jesus was just another prophet. To Mormons, Jesus is much more than that. To Mormons, Jesus is the savior and redeemer of every being ever born, and the creator of the universe. He was not merely a prophet and teacher. To Mormons, without Jesus all is lost.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 1:40pm“To Muslims, Jesus was just another prophet”
False, but a lot of people like to repeat that. Muslims do believe Jesus was the messiah and will come back at the end of days with Mohammed to defeat the anti-Christ.
As I’ve said, the Church of LDS is as Christian as Islam.
Report Post »GeoInSD
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 1:49pmLOCKED, I am not absolutely sure about the Muslims believe Jesus is just another prophet thing, so I will give you that one. But I am pretty sure that Muslims do not believe as Mormons do that Jesus is savior and redeemer of all and without Jesus all is lost.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 2:01pmNow you’re getting into semantics. Both believe Jesus is the Messiah. Both believe his death was necessary for eternal life. Both believe that prophets came later to clarify the Word and that these prophets’ teachings are more correct than the Bible.
Are they identical? Of course not. But we’re talking about how Christian they are. Most (actual) Christians would say that the Bible is the proper teaching of Jesus, right? Neither the Church of LDS or Islam would; the later prophets’ words are the proper ones.
Report Post »ripcord506
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 4:02pmIf I may add,prove to yourselves about history,go to the Library and read it. The word Christian was started at the time of King Constantine,he killed the Bishops of the true Church and choose his own Bishops,that is where the Council of Nicea came from. The members of Jesus Christ Church were called Saints as seen in the New Testament. It looks like everyone is spitting into the wind not knowing where their religion started.
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 5:15pmRipcord506:
The term “Christian” was first applied to followers of Jesus as early as 40 AD, not in the time of Constantine.
The terms “Orthodox” and “Catholic” also predate the reign of Constantine.
Emperor (not “King”) Constantine did not kill all the Christian bishops, he worked through them to weave Christianity–or at least those elements of it that served his purposes–into the very fabric of the Roman Empire.
That was the point of the Council of Nicaea, which condemned as heresy the idea that God the Father was somehow “prior” to God the Son.
But to Constantine, the details of doctrine mattered less than that all the bishops should be “on the same page.”
Report Post »ripcord506
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 6:30pmLloyd Draka
Love your comments,apologize for my brevity that’s why research on these points are needed.
Report Post »Yes ,orthodox and catholic were used predated but were used in the names of the of the two Churches after the Church of Constantinople split. My bad on using King,however you bring up the point that to hold his empire together, he used religion and brought the Bishops of the Church of Jesus Christ together and as you said weave with all religions a doctrine at the Council of Nicea,since he changed the doctrine and was not a true prophet then it became a man made doctrine not the doctrine of Jesus Christ, hence the Nicene Creed,Apostles Creed today. The word Christian was fully used from that point but using it 40 years after Jesus shows Christs Doctrine was being changed from its full intent of the Bible where the members were called Saints. Also shows the need for a restoration of the full Gospel of Jesus Christ, as the Bible says,a restitution of all things in the latter days.
bmarchand
Posted on October 10, 2011 at 12:22am@RIPCORD506
“The word Christian was fully used from that point but using it 40 years after Jesus shows Christs Doctrine was being changed from its full intent of the Bible where the members were called Saints. Also shows the need for a restoration of the full Gospel of Jesus Christ, as the Bible says,a restitution of all things in the latter days.”
Report Post »>>Actually, sir, I believe the term “Christian”, which means “little Christs”, was first used in Antioch by detractors of the Apostle Paul as a derogatory term, as stated in the Book of Acts. As I understand it, the believers saw this as a sort of “badge of honor” as it were, and the name stuck. If you can show otherwise, I’d like to see your sources.
bmarchand
Posted on October 10, 2011 at 12:26am@LOCKED
“False, but a lot of people like to repeat that. Muslims do believe Jesus was the messiah and will come back at the end of days with Mohammed to defeat the anti-Christ.”
>>Uhh, can you show me where you’re getting your facts? Because from what I hear from just about every expert on Islam, including former Muslims, is that Jesus is recognized as a PROPHET, not as messiah, and that Mohammed is a greater prophet than Jesus. But if you can show me your sources that prove this wrong, I would love to see it for myself.
Report Post »kmichaels
Posted on October 10, 2011 at 11:40amLocked is simply off his nut and rambling. Muslims do not believe Jesus is a or the messiah. Locked is pulling things out of his behind. On this subject and on other subjects.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on October 11, 2011 at 6:42amQuran : Chapter: 3 (Al-`Imran), Verse:46
[3:46] When the angels said, ‘O Mary, God gives thee glad tidings of a son through a Word from Him; his name shall be the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, honoured in this world and in the next, and of those who are granted nearness to God.
KMichaels, Jesus is frequently referred to as the Messiah in the Qur’an. His most frequent title is “al-Masīḥ,“ a direct translation to ”the Messiah.”
Again, people who are ignorant about Islam frequently claim that Muslims think Jesus was not the Messiah, but that’s wrong. There are plenty of other things Muslims think that Christians don’t believe (like that he wasn’t the literal son of God, and that he didn’t die), but then again, Mormons think God had a physical body and impregnated Mary and now lives on a planet near the star Kolob.
My point still remains: Mormonism is as Christian as Islam. They don’t consider the Bible the final word when it comes to God, even though they both claim the Bible as a good starting point that had to be clarified by later prophets.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on October 11, 2011 at 6:54amSome other verses referencing Jesus as the Messiah:
“- “They said, “We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messiah of Allah…” (Quran IV; The Women, 157).
- “The Messiah Jesus the son of Mary was a messenger (the Messiah) of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from Him” (Quran IV; The Women, 171).
- “…Say : Who then can do aught against Allah , if He had willed to destroy the Messiah, son of Mary , and his mother…” (Quran V; The Table,17)
- “They have taken their doctors of law and their monks for lords besides Allah, and the Messiah, son of Mary …”(Quran IX; The Repentance 31).”
Report Post »slr4528
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 12:59pmI love how the so called straight shooter Cain answered the Mormon question. Cain wouldn’t want to lose the precious evangelical vote if he said his friend Mitt Romney was a Christian. If I had a friend that was a Mormon, I would have no problem saying that they were Christians, just like I would have no problem saying Catholics are Christians. That dodge spoke volumes to me about Cain,he is no different than any other politician.
Report Post »poverty.sucks
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 1:05pmCatholics & Mormons arn’t Christians. If you were a Christians you’d know the difference between follower of Christ and Pagans.
Report Post »UNBOTHERED
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 1:16pmIf anyone really listen to Cain’s responses, it matters not if you are Black White Republican or Democrats, you will see that he doe EVERYTHING exept SPEAK STRAIGHT FOWARD. This is why I never listen to Conservatives when thy say someone is speaking the truth. He always dodges questions based on who he feels he will lose support from. How is that an honest man.
slr4528
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 1:19pmPoverty Sucks-You know what the values summit did for me? I t convinced me that I have nothing in common with the evangelical bigoted base and I will be registering as an Independent after the 2012 election. This attack on Romney’s religion is over the top and I think Cain is a bum for not backing his friend Romney!
Report Post »Nasado
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 1:42pm@poverty.sucks
Report Post »How is it that Catholics are not Christian when they were the fist Christian denomination after the apostles. Almost every other denomination branched from them. A live branch does not come from a dead tree. Therefore, if Catholics are not Christian, then neither are 99% of all CHristian denominations. Also, Mormons are Christian. They believe that Christ is the Son of God, the Savior of mankind, and that it is only through Him that we can be saved. Please tell me how either of those are not Christian.
ripcord506
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 3:28pmThe Church of Constantinople was started from King Constantine from which came the Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Church. so the Catholic Church was started by a man. Also the Apostles Creed came from the Nicene Creed which is where the 3 in one came from,there are three Gods but one God,contradicting, It doesn’t come from the Bible. As for me I make my choice,I would rather have a family than be single for eternity.
Report Post »eyestoseeearstohear
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 12:59pmYes, Robert Jeffress is right!
Yes, Romney is a Morman.
Yes, Mormanism was started by Joseph Smith, a “ Man”.
Yes, Mormans teach/live by the Book of Mormans.
Yes, Many Mormans identify themselves as Christian.
Yes, Morman belief is different in many ways from Christianity.
Yes, Romney MIGHT BE a good & moral- guided person-
SO – is he NOT guided by HIS faith?
And, YES – your faith & belief makes up
WHO YOU ARE & INFLUENCES YOUR DECISIONS.
AND – AS LEADER OF THIS COUNTRY –
decisions WILL BE BASED ON THEIR BELIEFS –
The FOUNDERS of our Constitution BELIEVED IN ONE GOD – OUR CREATOR-
GOD OF THE CHRISITAN FAITH & BIBLE.
POTUS should believe IN THAT SAME GOD AND NO OTHER -
otherwise, we get the KIND of INCONSISTENCY IN MORALS & VALUES, as with Obama.
( who is NOT Christian – but a Muslim hiding behind the guise of a Christian)
And, our Creator says, Thou shalt have NO OTHER gods before me.
Our Founding Fathers’ were BLESSED BY GOD because of their BELIEF IN GOD.
WE’D BETTER GET BACK TO THE BASICS – AND PUT IN A “ CHRISITAN BELIEVER”
WHO WILL PUT GOD BACK IN OUR COUNTRY.
Taking God out of Counrty & Gov’t, etc. opens the doors to OTHER gODS.
And, we will get MORE and EVEN WORSE of what we have now.
DON’T BE DOUBLE-MINDED!
You CAN’T separate a man from his beliefs.
” As a man THINKS in his heart – so is HE”.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 1:08pmYES, you don’t even know the difference between “Mormon” and “Morman”
Report Post »eyestoseeearstohear
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 2:00pm@ LOCKED
You know …YOU ARE RIGHT IN POINTING OUT MY SPELLING ERROR…
BUT- THAT‘S ALL YOU’RE RIGHT ABOUT…
Thanks anyway.
Report Post »Huguenot Descendant
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 2:10pmYES – the ROMAN Catholic church was started by a ROMAN Emperor , A MAN!
Report Post »NO – you don’t know what you are talking about.
by faith
Posted on October 10, 2011 at 11:41amHuge Nut
Report Post »the Catholic church was “created” by Jesus.
“I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it” (Matthew 16)
Huguenot Descendant
Posted on October 11, 2011 at 1:10am“No Faith”
Sorry but you are wrong! The Catholic Church was built by the ROMAN EMPEROR. You can quote Jesus but that is NOT the church he was referring too when he spoke to Peter. The Catholic Church will tell you that of course cause that is what they WANT you to believe and with good reason. But here is the truth, and if you ever actually researched what the words meant upon my rock you might of came out with a more clear answer.
The word petra (πέτρα in Greek) which means rock is also used at 1 Cor. 10:4 in describing Jesus Christ, which reads: “They all ate the same spiritual food and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ.”
What Catholics like you believe is that petra means Peter instead of rock in Greek, so in other words Peter will build the church not a symbolic sense like the rock on Peters faith. However if that is why you think Peter was the first pope (which I don’t know how you can claim that right when there is no doctrinal evidence to support that claim), if what Jesus meant in petra is to be true than did he also mean that people will drink from Peter? A little far fetched to be certain.
If you read Peter’s first letter, you will see that he did not teach a Roman hierarchy, but that all Christians are royal priests. The same keys given to Peter in Matthew 16 are given to the whole church of believers in Matthew 18.
Report Post »by faith
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 1:44pmHuguenot
Did the Emperor Constantine found the Catholic Church?
Impossible claim to sustain. Constantine did not come into power until the early 300’s. As early as the 2nd half of the 1st century, you can find writings referring to THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. Constantine was the first Christian emperor and he ended the persecutions of Christians. Something Catholic haters still do to this day.
As Greek scholars—even non-Catholic ones—admit, the words petros and petra were synonyms in first century Greek. They meant “small stone” and “large rock” in some ancient Greek poetry, centuries before the time of Christ, but that distinction had disappeared from the language by the time Matthew’s Gospel was rendered in Greek. The difference in meaning can only be found in Attic Greek, but the New Testament was written in Koine Greek—an entirely different dialect. In Koine Greek, both petros andpetra simply meant “rock.” If Jesus had wanted to call Simon a small stone, the Greek lithos would have been used.
You have followed the training you’ve been given. You were told that a rare Catholic might have heard of Matthew 16:18 and might argue that it proved the establishment of the papacy. You knew what you were supposed to say to prove otherwise, and said it.
More to come…
Report Post »by faith
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 1:59pmContinuing:
I agree with you that we must get behind the English to the Greek. But I’m sure you’ll agree with me that we must get behind the Greek to the Aramaic. “The what?” The Aramaic, As you know, Aramaic was the language Jesus and the apostles and all the Jews in Palestine spoke. It was the common language of the place. Many, if not most of them, knew Greek, of course, because Greek was the lingua franca of the Mediterranean world. It was the language of culture and commerce; and most of the books of the New Testament were written in it, because they were written not just for Christians in Palestine but also for Christians in places such as Rome, Alexandria, and Antioch, places where Aramaic wasn’t the spoken language. I say most of the New Testament was written in Greek, but not all. Many hold that Matthew was written in Aramaic—we know this from records kept by Eusebius of Caesarea—but it was translated into Greek early on, perhaps by Matthew himself. In any case the Aramaic original is lost (as are all the originals of the New Testament books), so all we have today is the Greek.
Report Post »by faith
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 2:01pmAnd still more:
We know that Jesus spoke Aramaic because some of his words are preserved for us in the Gospels. Look at Matthew 27:46, where he says from the cross, ‘Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?’ That isn’t Greek; it’s Aramaic and it means, ‘My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?’
And what does Kepha mean? It means a rock, the same as petra. (It doesn’t mean a little stone or a pebble. What Jesus said to Simon in Matthew 16:18 was this: ‘You are Kepha, and on thiskepha I will build my Church.’ When you understand what the Aramaic says, you see that Jesus was equating Simon and the rock; he wasn’t contrasting them. We see this vividly in some modern English translations, which render the verse this way: ‘You are Rock, and upon this rock I will build my church.’ In French one word, pierre, has always been used both for Simon’s new name and for the rock.”
“Wait a second,” he said. “If kepha means the same as petra, why don’t we read in the Greek, ‘You are Petra, and on this petra I will build my Church’? Why, for Simon’s new name, does Matthew use a Greek word, Petros, which means something quite different from petra?”
“Because he had no choice,” I said. “Greek and Aramaic have different grammatical structures. In Aramaic you can use kepha in both places in Matthew 16:18. In Greek you encounter a problem arising from the fact that nouns take differing gender endings.
Report Post »classicalgas
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 12:58pmSo, Pastor. What particular cult do you preach to?
Hypocrite.
Report Post »BV FROM TX
Posted on October 10, 2011 at 12:50amThe remark he made about Romney being a Mormon did more damage to Perry than anything he could have said. With friends like that, who need enemies? That is all the left wanted to focus on. Read the news! The Democrats are loving every minute of watching the Republicans destroy each other. Ready for another 4 more years? Just keep it up! This is the Republicans’ election to lose with their lack of tolerance of each other.
Report Post »majorsco
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 12:57pmThere was a time when Christianity itself was considered a cult. This pastor is just anti-mormon. He ‘s close-minded and is just a name caller. He is expressing anti-Christian views and beliefs. He’s a hypocrite!
Report Post »Snorkelbacon
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 2:22pmYou are FUNNY, and right, and wrong!!!!!! What kind of cult was it? That’s right a Jewish Cult. We got the clue, christians don’t claim to be Jewish, well, unless your a messianic Jew, but you get the point. So mormons get the clue from history you are as christian as christians are jews. Secondly just b/c someone says your wrong doesn’t make you a bigot, intolerant, hateful, all it means is you disagree. Is Islam correct? if you say no you are a hateful bigot.
Report Post »jeff36607
Posted on October 10, 2011 at 3:20pmSnorkelbacon, no it doesn’t make you a bigot, but if you spew hatred about every religious group that isn‘t Southern Baptist and about every ethnicity that isn’t white and have a 150 history of dressing up in sheets and murdering mormon,catholics, blacks and Jews, it makes you a bigot, a murderer, and a servant of Satan, certainly not a follower of Christ. Southern Baptists are a terrorist orginization that take their hoods off to gather on Sunday to plan the next attack.
Report Post »cjherin
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 12:57pmPutting Jeffress’ comments about the LDS church aside, he said that Evangelicals “ought to give preference to a Christian.” Does that mean that he wouldn’t support a Jew who was right on the issues?
Report Post »stumblemouth
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 1:08pmEvangelicals are almost uniformly pro-Israel, so your question is absurd. There are only Christians amongst the major candidates running for the GOP nomination.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 1:18pmSince when is being pro-Israel the same as being Jewish? To answer the question, no, I doubt he would support a Jewish candidate.
Report Post »stumblemouth
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 5:27pmIs there a difference between being pro-Israel and pro-Jewish? NO. It’s a distinction without a difference. LOCKED, your response shows your prejudice, not the pastor’s.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 11:53pm“Is there a difference between being pro-Israel and pro-Jewish? NO.”
Aside from the fact that there is, that wasn’t the question at hand. would this pastor support a Jewish candidate? Judging by the fact that he differentiates between Mormons and Christians, he can obviously tell the difference between Jews and Christians. If a Mormon isn’t good enough for him, neither would a Jew be.
Report Post »Abila
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 12:56pmThey believe in a different Jesus-a jesus that was once only human and by his own works became God. The biblical one believes he is the Son of God and was human in Christ but was never only human. He never had to work to become God because he always was God.
http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Cults/marksof.htm
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kmichaels
Posted on October 10, 2011 at 12:01pm[Abila Posted on October 9, 2011 at 12:56pm
They believe in a different Jesus-a jesus that was once only human and by his own works became God.]
Acutally, LDS have always taught that Jesus was unique in that he was born to an eartly mother and a Godly Father. This has always been standard LDS teachings from the very beginning. You are rather confused. The LDS state that Jesus was the “ONLY ONE BORN OF GOD IN THE FLESH”.
This makes him uniquely qualified for his many works and the atonement.
Report Post »ooskerDoo
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 12:54pmGod was human, and through his “good deeds” became a “God”. Mary and God had physical sex. You don’t get to heaven just by believing in Jesus as the Son of God, you also HAVE to do good works or you won’t get in.
Report Post »Joseph Smith, the founder and the SEER OF GOD, who wrote the Mormon bible predicted the world would end TWICE. By the very foundation of Christ he is a false prophet. I don‘t understand why these claims haven’t been addressed and debated or retracted from the mormons.
Let’s get these issues out into the open and into the light of the truth.
eyestoseeearstohear
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 1:06pmWhat COMIC BOOK are you reading that says God & Mary had physical sex, etc?
Where & HOW did you come up with THAT?
WOW!
Some False Prophet has really mislead you.
You NEED to get out of there while you can and get yourself a King James Bible and READ.
YepImaConservative
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 1:26pmThose are the teachings of the Mormon, er… religion. I think he was making a point.
Report Post »Jezreel
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 1:26pmThis is vomit created by the “natural man” that does not understand the things of God. Another perverted teaching that appeals to the flesh. All that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eye and the pride of life is NOT of the Father but of the world. Perverts love perverted scripture.
Report Post »eyestoseeearstohear
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 2:09pm@ 00SKERD00 AND YEPIMACONSERVATIVE
Maybe I did misunderstand 00SKERD00′s post – IF SO, PLEASE accept my apology.
And, to YEPIMACONSERVATIVE – Thank you for bringing some clarity to it.
Report Post »YepImaConservative
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 2:19pm>Eyes….. ;-)
Report Post »ooskerDoo
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 4:42pmOf course they are not from the Christian bible. The mormons don’t teach from our bible. They teach from their bible, The Book of Mormon and the The Pearl of Great Wisdom. That’s were these are from.
Report Post »ooskerDoo
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 8:44pmYou make my point! I was talking about what is in the MORMON Bible (The Book of Mormon) and the Pearl of Great Wisdom.
Report Post »I don’t understand how the Mormon faith can believe in that, especially in the Christian Bible, the prophets warned of “adding” and “subtracting” from the bible.
jeff36607
Posted on October 10, 2011 at 3:11pmYou make up stories about what other religions believe, be it mormons, catholics, Jews etc. then go put on your KKK sheets and lynch people who arn’t of the same ethnicity as you and claim that you do so in the name of God you and YepImaconservative are not followers of Christ. You work against God and are servants of Satan. Christ will return soon and expose you for the Satanists you are.
Report Post »SpecializationIsForInsects
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 12:53pmActually, Mormons DO baptize in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. There are very few “set” prayers in the LDS faith, but one of them is the baptismal prayer which ends with “I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen.”
Report Post »sensibleadult
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 1:17pmFather, Son, and Holy Spirit are not names. They are titles. Not one person in the New Testament Church baptized using the words Father, Son, or Holy Spirit. Not one. NOT ONE. NONE. NOT ANY. ZIP. ZERO. NADA. They did not disobey. They did not misunderstand. They knew full well that to carry out those instructions it meant to call the name of Jesus. ALL the apostles agreed. They endorsed it. They practiced it. No credible disagreement is even possible. Even the encyclopedias state that this was the common and accepted practice during the first couple of centuries of the existence of the church. The Catholics came up with trinity baptism. They invented it. They changed the original doctrine from Jesus name baptism to Father, Son, and Holy Ghost baptism. Unless you are baptized the Bible way, you merely got wet.
Report Post »searching for the Truth
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 2:41pmYep! One God. One Faith. One baptism.
Report Post »searching for the Truth
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 2:50pmActs: 2:38 with two or more witnesses.
Report Post »HankScram
Posted on October 10, 2011 at 1:54amMormon prophet Brigham young preached that Joseph Smith’s permission was required to get into heaven. Don’t believe it? Research the Mormon journal of discourses.
Report Post »kmichaels
Posted on October 10, 2011 at 12:11pm[HankScram
Posted on October 10, 2011 at 1:54am
Mormon prophet Brigham young preached that Joseph Smith’s permission was required to get into heaven. Don’t believe it? Research the Mormon journal of discourses.]
Moronic drivel from anti-religion troll hankscram. LDS doctrine is set by formal scripture, not based on past writings (whether real or imagined) from any man, including prophets. If it is not in formal LDS scripture then it is not LDS doctrine. If you studied even once, you moron, you would understand this simple point.
Report Post »HankScram
Posted on October 10, 2011 at 3:29pmPlease go read prophet Brigham Young’s sermon on Joseph Smiths permission needed to get into heaven. It’s easy to find on Internet. Should open the eyes of many Mormons here who never knew the Mormon prophet preached this. Your Mormon church hides so much from you. See the truth. Forget Joseph smith and stick with Jesus
Report Post »kmichaels
Posted on October 10, 2011 at 5:46pmHey, hankscram, dimwitted religious troll, I will try again since you are such a moron. Neither sermons nor personal writings, even of prophets, constitute official doctrine. LDS do not believe in infallibility of earthly messengers. That is why we have cannonized scripture (doctrine) and then extra writings, not scriptural, just uses to help to enhance the learning process. Are you stupid or something, hank? You are unfamiliar with the concept of ideas that are cannonized as opposed to those that are not? Now, hasten yourself onto hell, you ignorant bigot.
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 12:49pmHerman “I won’t appoint any Muslims” Cain isn’t running for Theologian-in-chief?
Well golly-gee-willikers!
How about Hypocrit-in-Chief?
Report Post »DMG8487
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 12:55pmWow, that was a lame comparison if I ever saw one – you clearly know how to take things out of context! Are you an Obama speechwriter too? Or are you only doing work for MSNBC and Sharpton’s ilk?
Report Post »Obama>Jesus
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 6:25pmHe was right, though he should have said that “All religions are cults.”
Report Post »poverty.sucks
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 12:49pmIn the Book of Mormons No person, place or event has been historically or archeologically verified. The issue of Mormonism is, without a doubt, is a distraction.
Report Post »kmichaels
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 8:47pmBIBLETHUMPER
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 12:52pm
Mormonism adds to Scripture false doctrines. Mormons started the fight when the pervert Joseph Smith said that all Christian denominiations are an abomnination. We Christians are simply defending ourselves against his attacks, and the attacks of his minions.
Christ himself got into trouble because he claimed all religious leaders of his day were an abomination. So I guess idiot biblethumper takes issue with Christ too. And didn’t we get a whole set of NEW SCRIPTURE with the advent of Christ? Doesn’t the old testament have warnings against adding new scriptures similar to the warning of adding to the word of God found in the book of Revelations?
Biblethumper can’t see past his own idiot nature and his inbred bigotry.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 12:38pmThe accuracy of the comment is irrelevant in this matter, the fact is he used it to score a political point and from a Christian that is wrong. This was not the debate to get into in an introduction to a political debate. He should be ashamed of himself.
Report Post »YepImaConservative
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 12:48pmI agree with your statement but I also believe Mormanism is a cult, like I also believe Scientology and Libertarianism (well, the Ron Paul supporting faction) to be.
Report Post »LibertarianForLife
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 12:55pmConservative, what would you call Christianity as a whole haha? Just think of the things you believe compared to the evidence you have.. you sound like a moron when you critique others yet have imaginary friends yourself.
Report Post »poverty.sucks
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 1:01pmChristianity is offensive, God excludes those who fail to comply, the Pastor echo‘s the fact Mormons aren’t Christians. Shame on the media for making religion the issue, Obama’s not a Christian, no controversy there.
Report Post »YepImaConservative
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 1:21pm>LMAO at the LIBERTARIANFOR LIFE. I have proven many times that Ron Paul is a fraud by his words and deeds. You can lay in bed with the Devil you know and I’ll lay in bed with the God I imagine… or so you say. By virtue of your screen name, your LIBERTARIANLIFE will only go so far and then peter out like your God’s campaign… again. My life however will go on forever even after death. Don‘t come whining to me when your maker pinches your cheek upon your death and calls you twice the fool and sends your arse a packin’ to hang with Joseph Smith and maybe… Tom Cruise.
Report Post »BV FROM TX
Posted on October 10, 2011 at 1:16amUnlike our current president, all of the those running love this country and believe we are the greatest nation on earth.
Report Post »jeff36607
Posted on October 10, 2011 at 3:34pmIslamist extremists claim that there is no archeological evidence that Jerusalem was built by the Jews or that a temple ever existed, but that doesn’t make it true. Atheists claims there is no evidence that supports the events of the bible. There is lots of archeological evidence to support the Book of Mormon if you care to read about it, but I’ll bet you are only willing to read anti-mormon literature , so of course you won’t read about anything that supports it. Faith, should not require physical evidence, that is why it is called faith. Do you require archeological evidence to support your religious beliefs?
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