Pastor: ‘Get Rid of All the Lesbians & Queers’ by Trapping Them With an Electric Fence (Eventually They’ll Die Off)
- Posted on May 21, 2012 at 8:40pm by
Billy Hallowell
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A North Carolina pastor’s supposedly vehement anti-gay sermon is making its way around the blogosphere. According to a YouTube description, the man depicted in the clip is named Charles L. Worley and he is the faith leader at Providence Road Baptist Church in the town of Maiden. In his address, the faith leader discussed, among other themes, “a way to get rid of all the lesbians and queers.”
In the two-minute video, which appears to be a portion taken from a longer sermon, Worley condemns Obama’s recent endorsement of gay marriage, and makes a shocking statement about homosexuals — that they should be placed inside of an electrified pen until they die off. Call his words mere hyperbole or pure hate — at the least, taken in the minimal context they’re presented in, they are stunning.
“Build a great, big, large fence — 150 or 100 mile long — put all the lesbians in there,” he said in the sermon, which was allegedly filmed on May 13. “Do the same thing for the queers and the homosexuals and have that fence electrified so they can’t get out…and you know what, in a few years, they’ll die out…do you know why? They can’t reproduce!”
Now, one could argue here that the faith leader is making a grander statement about mere anatomy. If the lesbians and gays are separated into groups, naturally they cannot pro-create without the mating with the opposite sex. If his grander point is about the inability of same-sex couples to have children, well that’s self explanatory. But “getting rid” of homosexuals — that’s a different story entirely (one that raises eyebrows).
As for the upcoming election, Worley implied that he won’t be voting for Obama. He said, “I’m not going to vote for a baby killer and a homosexual lover.”
Watch these shocking words, below:
According to the Daily News, local gay rights advocates are planning to protest outside of the church in the coming days:
Catawba Valley Citizens Against Hate (CVCAH), the group that posted the clip to YouTube, plans to protest Worley and the church on Sunday, May 27.
“To hear this kind of hate being preached, this kind of intolerance, it hurt me, and I’m not even part of the LGBT community,” activist Laura Tipton, who organized the protest, told The News.
Tipton, who lives in nearby Hickory, N.C., says she called the church and spoke to Worley after learning about the video.
“He invited us to come down, and even let us know what time the sermon starts,” she said, adding that Worley might be “trying to prove a point that he has nothing to hide.”
Tipton stresses that the protest is not anti-Christian.
So, it seems Worley, who according to the church’s web site has been a pastor at the church since 1976, isn’t going to be let off easy for his purported anti-gay rhetoric. It will be interesting to see how the dialogue between the two parties unfolds moving forward. Considering the recent ban on same-sex marriage in North Carolina, it’s no wonder this is such a hot-button issue there.
(H/T: Huffington Post)
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Comments (254)
THXll38
Posted on May 21, 2012 at 9:56pmSocial cons at their finest.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 5:35amI have a better ideal. Give the LGBT crowd California as a separate country. See it not work. Problem solved.
I see LGBT as more meme than gene after looking at the studies of twins.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 7:33am2 Kings 23 7 And he brake down the houses of the sodomites, that were by the house of the Lord, where the women wove hangings for the grove.
Josiah reads the law, and while he could not stop the ruin of Jerusalem, he slowed it down by getting rid of the false gods, their worship places, and the sodomites. God blessed him for it.
So while I doubt we can stop the ruin of America, perhaps we can slow it down.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 7:44amThis Baptist minister would make Hitler proud. Anybody, Rangerdan, that would provide biblical cover for this mad man behind the pulplit is only proving that they have no understanding what freedom means and should be stripped of any positions of leadership. The minister is talking about concentration camps.
Report Post »Hollywood
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 7:45amThis SO CALLED Pastor, is of HIS FATHER the Devil. No wonder homosexuals and lesbians look at “Christianity” with jaundiced eyes. As TRUE disciples of Chrst, we are to show compassion, understanding, TRUE love to SINNERS, as we ALL are. I would defend them, as I would ALL sinners, if attacked verbally/physically. OUR Father sent HIS SON to reconcile us to HIM. He died for ALL. We just need to Repent, and accept His FREE GIFT as said in EPH CH2 V 8-9. ALL RELIGIONS are man trying to become God, or to become accpetable to HIM. Christianity is GOD trying to reach MAN, through Christ. Repent,and believe the GOOD NEWS!
Report Post »Maranatha
poorrichard09
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 8:20amSure this wasn’t the Westboro Baptist Church? He could have made his point without the concentration camp imagery.
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 8:43amYo Encinom;
You on top of that one aren’t you … but when someone gives you the truth of God’s word you mock that also.
Report Post »True christians are called to love – not approve , all people. However, the truth is, there will be NO unrepentant homosexuals in the Kingdom of God. Many christians want these people to deal with this now so Jesus wil not have to deal with it then … and that is love
rangerp
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 9:32amHaa haaa. A dude who goes by the name Hollywood giving us a mini sermon. Now that is funny
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 9:37amAnd Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves,
13 And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.
Not everything Biblical is love and peace. Jesus physically went in, and threw out the money changers. He then flipped over their tables. Some would call that a bit violent.
The modern day Christian Church has become wimpy and weak, right along with the modern day American male. Stop pandering to the queers and other deviants.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 9:45am4truth2all
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 8:43am
Yo Encinom;
You on top of that one aren’t you … but when someone gives you the truth of God’s word you mock that also.
True christians are called to love – not approve , all people. However, the truth is, there will be NO unrepentant homosexuals in the Kingdom of God. Many christians want these people to deal with this now so Jesus wil not have to deal with it then … and that is love
______________________
Is it just possible for Christians to live there own lives and not be concerned about how others choose to live theirs. This Pastor makes it clear that the Christians have a ton of house cleaning to do, before that even bring out their moral soap box.
Rangerdan, you are a disgrace to your uniform. Any American to be cheering for and given biblical cover to one who is callng for a return to Concentration Camps has not honor to wear the American Flag.
Report Post »Wolf
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 9:50amoh, Encinom, Encinom… you poor fool… “…Anybody… that would provide biblical cover for this mad man.. is only proving that they have no understanding what freedom means and should be stripped of any positions of leadership…” Does this include your hero in the White House? Or that you don’t have an understanding what freedom means, as well? Is there something about Freedom of Speech you don’t understand? (Obviously there is much about God and His Word you don’t understand, but that’s a different issue.)
Report Post »This minister is right on and more ministers should be taking up the same message rather than being so PC and living in fear of losing their 501-C (or whatever it is) status. Without bold ministers, this country is doomed.
rangerp
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 9:56amENCINOM
If you actually read the article, you would see that he is not calling for concentration camps. he is stating that if left to their own, gays would disapear, as they would not re populate.
You have to apply a little logic to what you read and hear.
He knows the gays rely heavily on recruitment. They prey on the young, and people in vulnerable situations. Why do you think the fastet growing population of gays are coming from the black community? Black males in prison/ jail (larger population that those going to college) are getting their intro to homosexuality.
gays have a long history of molesting young boys, and many times it is those that are molested that turn to homosexuality later on. Study Greece and study Rome, you might learn something.
gays commit a third of our nations child molestations. You an find the stats on the FBI Crime stats page.
rangerp
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 10:07amencinom
You will be proud to know that I just got promoted to LTC this month. Not bad for a dude who 25 years ago went to basic training at Fort Benning with a pair of blue jeans, a t-shirt, and toothbrush.
My moral compass is still pointing the same direction it was back then. I still use the Bible as my guide to what is right and wrong, and will continue. I use it as a guide in the decisions for my soldiers also.
When I joined, I was asked if I was homosexual. Back then, our leaders were not weakened by the rules of PC, and they knew the homosexuality was evil ,and contrary to good morale and discipline.
Some of us have retained our backbone, and our ethics, morals, and values. It is a real help when deciding on who you promote, who gets the hard jobs with big rewards at the end. It is also a real help when commanding troops in combat.
Report Post »hillbillyinny
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 10:09am@ encinom
The pastor was pointing out a PROVABLE FACT–“housed” separately, they could not reproduce and would “die out”! However, it was not as charitablely said as might have been. . .but it is a verifiable fact! I do not believe he was advocating “concentration camps” for anyone, other than the “camps” these people are already in by their choices of deviant and unhealthy behaviors!
God, we love all, but we do hate some of the sins committed, including, I’m SURE, some I commit on a daily basis. Thank you for your forgiveness and the payment for sin of Your Son, THE WORD, and may the Holy Spirit educate and guide me until I see you face-to-face and can prostrate myself before you in awe! Maranatha!
Report Post »SgtB
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 10:11amSo what we have here is a Pastor, AND an entire congregation preaching that we should imprison human beings for being gay until they all rot and die behind barbed wire. And some of your religious nuts still wonder why people are fleeing from your Republican / religious right @55′s and going more towards Libertarianism that acknowledges the rights of every person to live, have Liberty, and own property. Anyone who is still wondering why alot of us don’t like churches or the religious zealots is blind, deaf, and dumb.
Report Post »SgtB
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 10:18am@ RANGERP, You say that homosexuals are taking advantage of men who are at low points in their lives in jail… So wouldn’t it make more sense that instead of imprisoning more people to rot and die in cells, that maybe we should decriminalize acts that have no victim? Maybe like marijuana possession. Marijuana is less dangerous to the human body than alcohol and the only thing about it that causes violence is its status as a prohibited substance. 1 in 6 people in jail today are in jail for possession of this substance. IF we decriminalize it, then according to you, the gays will lose 1/6 of their recruitment possibilities. Personally, I don’t believe that time alone in jail turns a person gay. But I’m just using your own idiocy against you.
Report Post »MONICNE
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 10:23amLOL – I had to correct a lot of the spailing fer ya, Colonel mastas dagree!
“You have to apply a little logic to what you read and hear.
He knows the US Military Services rely heavily on recruitment. They prey on the young, and people in vulnerable situations. Why do you think the fastest growing population of Rangers is coming from the black community? Black males in high school (larger population that those going to college) are getting their intro to the Army.
Religious persons have a long history of molesting young boys, and many times it is those that are molested that turn to homosexuality later on. Study Greek Orthodoxy and study Roman Catholics, you might learn something.
Baptist pastors and teen counselors commit a third of our nation’s child molestations. You can find the stats on the FBI Crime stats page.”
Thanks for all you do.
TEA – It’s still the cure
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 10:27amSGTB
So you are admitting that you smoke dope, and smoke pole?
Lay off the weed, it is making you mellow, you are dropping your defence, and taking part is some pretty devient behavior.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 10:42am@Rangerdan,
With each comment you are proving that you are unfit to command. You are a bigot and a coward hiding behind your bible. You are no better than the Taleban that would seek to destroy freedoms and replace it with the tryanny of religion.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 11:02am.MONICNE
Let me help you out a little.
Very Very few Baptist preachers are hit up with any sort of molestations charges. You are a little mixed up on this one. It is the catholic priests that have the reputation of child molestations. The majority of Baptist preachers are married where the catholic priests are not. You will find the majority of Baptists to be pro death penalty, and would prefer to execute child molesters.
As far as black rangers. I served in the Ranger regiment, and served side by side with some very fine black rangers. Their numbers are very low though. Most would agree it is because the of the Combat Water Survival Test (CWST). For some reason, very few black Americans come in the Army with the ability to swim (there are exceptions though). I have heard that many young black males have a very low body fat content, and thus makes swimming more difficult.
On a a side note. You spoke of recruitment. Currently, only 27% of the nation’s high school graduates are elgible to join college ROTC, and get commissioned as an officer. that means that only 27% have the GPA, phyisicla abilty, and a clean criminal record. The leftist control of the nation’s schools, MTV, and multiculturalism is not producing what we used to produce. You folks on the left should be proud. We make great OWS supporters, but are not doing very well at creating leaders and warriors.
thanks for all you do, you do an awsome job of exposing the lies on the le
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 11:05amENCINOM
“With each comment you are proving that you are unfit to command”
Unfortunately for you, the Army sees it different. Not only did I get promoted to LTC, I am also eligible for battalion command, and will compete for the next command board.
So while you sit at home, hating America, I can be out there leading the nations sons and daughters in combat, and actually defend your first amendment rights. Aint America great?
Report Post »inblack
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 11:06amYou so called Christians than support this evil hatred with your bible quotes are disgusting.
You will answer to God for using his Word to preach hatred.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 11:12amENCINOM
“You are no better than the Taliban”
Hey, guess what? I have actually fought against the Taliban. They are pro homosexual just like you, they are just a little less vocal about it. Down in Marjah, they would kidnap young boys in bad situations, and rape them. they actually teach that you can get away with raping little boys on Thursday, because that is the day that Allah sleeps.
Sounds to me like you have more in common with the Taliban. You both support homosexuality, you both hate the bible, you both hate American and the constitution, you both hate capitalism, you both hate Israel. do you by any chance have a towel wrapped around your head right now?
Report Post »adeleeeee
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 11:14amI think his rhetoric is horrible but he speaks out loud on what he think is right.
And I found lots of evangelical Christians content with pew-sit-in and worshiping entertainment. They shy away some pivotal issues and eager to compromise. Adapting mainstream idea and preaching ear-comforting messages.
So stop naming who he is but brain storming how and what should we present to the public that we oppose homosexual behavior.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 11:40am@Rangerdan,
Sorry, you are the one on this board preaching a religious based hate. You are the one in favor of concentration camps, lying about follow Americans to restrict their rights. There is no difference between the way you would seek to use the bible and those that seek to impose Sharia law, You are not an American, you are a disgrace. You are not defending the Constitution, you are proudly goose stepping as you carry the cross. You are wearing Hitler’s crooked cross with pride.
How is providing cover for those that will send fellow Americans to concentration camps, defending the Constitution. You hate this country, you hate the freedoms others have to think for themselves and leave the bondage and ancient supersitions. You hate the fact that others can see you for the small minded bigot that you are. You are a disgrace who doesn’t have the honor to wear the uniform of my country, the same uniform I once wore. you represent everything that is wrong with this nation. You glorify your hate and ignorance.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 11:51amSgtB
Personally, I don’t believe that time alone in jail turns a person gay.
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But it might make them bi.
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MONICNE
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 11:54amBy the way, Warrant Offal-Sir Pei, your evasive answers to simple questions make us all doubt you are actually the heroic serviceman you claim to be.
Some folks think you are a scared Troll with time on your hands trying to discredit our brave and patriotic uniformed service members by making the Rangers seem like homophobic racist women haters who misquote the bible and repudiate their sworn oath to faithfully serve the Commander In Chief, (apparently an unworthy/mixed race/not quite Christian enough/elected official).
BTW, thanks for all you do under your Ranger flag, truly; the Army desperately needs that micro-macho tarnished self image. For their sake I would think you would maintain a private non-Army persona. But you don’t care about the Army or our Union.
((PPS: I am 60 years old and still finish marathons – and I have arthritis. Suck it Up. LOL))
TEA – thanks for your service.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 11:58amSgtB
Decriminalize marijuana? Maybe.
Still should be a firing offense at a place of work. A company is liable for what one worker does to an other. If you are in an accident, you will get tested to protect a firm from lawsuits.
Marijuana is a gateway drug. But maybe treatment is better than jail. but legalize it? you better Balkanize the country. You can do your own foolishness.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 12:00pminblack
You would do well to actually read
Malachi 1 3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
(Deu 30:7) And Jehovah your God will put all these curses on your enemies, and on those that hate you, who persecuted you.
(2Sa 22:41) You have also given me the necks of my enemies; I silenced those who hate me
Psa 5:5) The foolish shall not stand in Your sight. You hate all doers of iniquity.
(Psa 97:10) You who love Jehovah, hate evil; He keeps the souls of His saints; He delivers them out of the hand of the wicked.
Psa 119:104) Through Your Commandments I get understanding; therefore I hate every false way.
(Psa 119:113) SAMECH: I hate half-hearted thoughts; but Your Law do I love.
(Psa 119:128) Therefore I count all Your Commandments concerning all things to be right; I hate every false way.
(Psa 119:163) I hate and despise lying; but I love Your Law.
(Psa 139:21) O Jehovah, do I not hate those who hate You? And am I not grieved with those who rise up against You?
(Psa 139:22) I hate them with perfect hatred; I count them my enemies
(Pro 8:13) The fear of Jehovah is to hate evil; I hate pride, and arrogance, and the evil way, and the wicked mouth.
(Ecc 3:8) a time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.
(Amo 5:15) Hate the evil, and love the good, and establish judgment in the gate. It may be that the Lord Jehovah of Hosts will be graci
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 12:01pmencinom
His congregation is how big?
I have read about Harry Hay & after reading a short biography on him, it is surprising that all gays are not locked up. Swimming pool sex with a 12 year old. Yes indeedy. It is the gay way.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 12:13pmMONCINE
“who misquote the bible and repudiate their sworn oath to faithfully serve the Commander In Chief”
Hmmmm, I missed that part about faithfully serving the commander in Chief. My oath was a little different. I obey lawful orders, but my true faith and allegiance are to the constitution.
“I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God
Your words give you away, and I find it humorous. You despise my service, and others like me. Guess what? Your OWS crowd does not keep you free or safe, it is the conservative crowd like myself that volunteer to serve that keep you free.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 12:20pmLOL…no way MOREACNE…you’re really sh#tting me aren’t you? You’re logging in and out as “ENCINOM” and “MONICNE” to post? You’re “effing” insane champ.
Report Post »And that’s choice…you’re berating someone for evading questions? You? The serial evader? You must be kidding me..this has now gone into the surreal.
Evade this champ…
Why do you need so many screennames at the Blaze MOREACNE/SLEAZY HIPPO/ENCIDIOT?
And then after you’ve danced with that.
Tell me what SOLE policy Obama implemented that led to the finding and killing of OBL. You’ve evaded both of those with almost pathological zeal.
Here piggy piggy….
AvengerK
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 12:26pmLOL….RANGERP…you have to understand…when MOREACNE is posting under “MONICNE” “she’s” now 60 years old and runs marathons. But when “he’s” SLEAZY HIPPO..”he’s” a corpulent youthful male. And for a really creepy edge to all this…MOREACNE is logging in and out between “ENCINOM” and “ MONICNE” to post. If the idiot really is 60..then he/she’s clearly losing her/his mind.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 12:36pmI am not so sure that ENCINOM and MONCINE are the same person. If so, he is pretty slick, because they post with a completely different style of writing. MONCINE while yet very liberal tries to come across conservative and play the devil’s advocate, and uses a whole lot of sarcasm and whit. When you push his/ her buttons, the gloves come off, and the liberalism pours out.
ENCINOM is just strait anti American socialist, and does not dance around the topic. He claims to have served in the military in the first gulf war, but I would bet he was no where near the action.
If they are the same, then he is pretty skilled at using two very different writing styles.
Remember this though. ENCINOM, MONCINE, JZS, Publius Penicil, and others do more for the blaze that we give them credit for. daily, they get on here, and attempt to argue on the side of liberalism. The veil comes down, as folks like Happy Stretched Thin, and others school them with logic, history, Bible, critical thinking…..
The people that count, are the ones on the fence. When one of those in the middle gets on here, and reads, they get to see real debate between the left and the right. While I may be biased, it generally appears the folks on the right mop the floor with the lib’s butts on here.
If the blaze was just folks like us, ranting our conservative views, then it would be boring, and I would not participate. It is all about the debate, and MONCINE/ENCINOM and crowd keep it flowing.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 12:47pmRANGERP…I can assure you “MONICNE” uses a number of aliases on the blaze. ENCINOM is a reverse of MONICNE and I’ve actually caught “MONICNE” posting as SLEAZY HIPPO myself. The lefty cur could have any number of screennames here at the blaze.
Report Post »What’s really creepy though is watching MOREACNE log and out on this thread between “MONICNE” and “ENCINOM” to post. This kind of behaviour is bordering on the psychotic.
AvengerK
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 12:54pmRANGERP….the “MONICNE” personality is the one that “ENCINOM” uses to ridicule conservatives by post poorly veiled mockery of conservatives…hence the constant “TEA” tagline. In fact..that’s how I caught out “MONICNE” when he./she was posting as SLEAZY HIPPO…the idiot forgot which name he/she was posting under and put the “TEA” tagline at the end of SLEAZY HIPPO’s post..caps and all with the same spacing. The “SLEAZY HIPPO” personality has the same “schtick” as “MONICNE”..a passive/aggressive mocking tone and veiled insults towards conservatives.
Report Post »The “ENCINOM” personality is MOREACNE’s “serious” nom de guerre. This is the identity the lefty cur uses to attack directly rather than pose as a conservative to mock conservatives. We’re talking about some real damaged goods now.
tarm778
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 1:06pmWhile what he said was horrible and wrong, it is protected by the First Amendment. Unlike what liberals do in trying to censor people because your party is the party of speech codes, thought crimes laws, political speech restrictions, the Fascist Doctrine, Card Check, the DISCLOSE Act and all the rest.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 1:38pmRangerDan you are the perfect example of how vile American Christian Conservatives are. If your views are based on the bible, than the bible is no different than mein kampf. You hate America for the sole reason that others are free to see you for the small minded bigot hding behind behind Hitler’s crooked cross you are.
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 2:01pmRANGERP, Congratulations on your promotion, and best of luck at that next command board.
Report Post »Your posts would give me reason that you understand why I have been calling encinom ENCINO_NAMBLA_MAN for the last week or so. For somebody who is so judgemental and reduces himself to name calling and mus slinging when somebody disagrees with him. He just not understand the term ‘tolerance’ unless to topic goes his way.
Again, Congrats sir.
RJJinGadsden
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 2:14pmAVENGERK, It wouldn’t be difficult at all for Monicne to rapidly change from one name to the other these days. “It” can sign in with one name on Internet Browser, and in another name on “it’s” regular internet carrier and simply tab back and fourth.
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 2:16pmENCINO_NAMBLA_MAN, I would venture to say that you have not read the Bible from cover to cover any more than you have read Mein Kampf.
Report Post »MONICNE
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 2:47pmOK RangerP, I see your point.
You do not feel you took an oath to support the Commander In Chief, but you did swear to support the President who is constitutionally the civilian Commander In Chief of the armed forces.
OK, that was my bad. Based on how you promote your purist world view, I just did not realize how Clintonesque you would be. But you rarely answer anything openly.
Perhaps you think that because you are in the Reserves it releases you from your oath?
So I ask, Will you carry out lawful orders from a duly elected sitting President of the United States? Yes or No.
And, do you openly share your religious, political and societal views with your chain of command – up and down the chain? Yes or No. If yes, has it helped your career?
If no, are you living a shadowy existence like DADT, afraid to reveal who you are?
Look Ranger, I really don’t want you to publicly answer these easy yes or no questions. Just think about them honestly. You advised others to see a minister, which touched my heart. I can pray for you, too. Ok, Greg?
Congratulations on making O-5, just like LT COL Tammy Duckworth of the Illinois National Guard.
Finally, Thanks – The current military is fascinating and you help show everyone an authentic glimpse of the contemporary Rangers, better than any Army Times journalist ever could.
TEA
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 3:05pmENCINOM
“If your views are based on the bible, than the bible is no different than mein kampf”
Interesting point of view you have. Here is the funny thing. If you compare my views, morals, ethics, values, beliefs, Bible knowledge….. to George Washington, John Adams, George Marshall, Calvin Coolidge, Ronald Reagan and others like them, you will find that my values run parallel. So basically, I believe as the founding fathers, and great men of history that helped shape and secure this great nation.
So who do your values parallel? From what you write, they seem to coincide very well with Lady Ga Ga, Madonna, Keith Olberman, Bill Maher, Ellen Degenerate, Rosanne Barr, Rosie O’Donnell, and the majority of the ilk on MTV. While folks like this may be entertaining to you and the folks on the left, they do not have the backbone to build the most free and powerful nation on the face of the earth. They are the type that destroy nations.
This I can tell you, If America keeps on the path it is going, and continues the moral decay (just like Rome), then we will not last long as a nation.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 3:19pm@ MONCINE
Great questions, and I can answer them all for you in open forum.
First off, I am not a reserve or national guard soldier, I am on active duty, and have been for 25 years. I do not answer to the State, I am federal.
Yes, I routinely share my political, religious, and moral beliefs with those below me, and above me. I was very vocal when the DADT repeal training happened. I quoted Bible. I have a first amendment right, and can believe as I may. As an officer, I can encourage those under me and to the left and right of me to vote, but cannot persuade them to vote in a direction, or support a party. It takes very little time around me to figure out that I am far right conservative. My language, my non-drinking, my church attendance…. is evident to other soldiers, and has been for 25 years.
Has it helped me in my career? Not sure, but as a young enlisted soldier, I was selected for a green to gold scholarship, along with making the cut on a number of other selection boards over the past 25 years.
As to obeying orders of the President. – “I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice.”
Yes, I served under Clinton, and was deployed to Haiti, Under Obama, I volunteered for the surge in Afghanistan under our current president. I obey orders, as long as they are lawful, and that is orders within regulations, and
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 3:30pm@ Moncine – cont
As far as following orders. yes, I follow orders, but I follow orders that are lawful.
Is there ever a time that I may not follow orders? Yes, that day may come.
Ever heard of “God, Family, Country”? It is more than just a cool bumper sticker. It is a rank ordering of loyalties. If orders given would cause me to violate the first two (God or family), then “no”, I would not follow. Example could be if ordered to take up arms against Israel, then I would have to resign my commission, and refuse to go. Gen 12 3 tells me that God blesses those that bless Israel, and curses those that curse Israel.
When DADT was repealed, it was written into the new regulations that a chaplain can still preach Lev 18 22, Judges 19, Romans chapter 1……. They still can preach and counsel agains homosexuality, and we individual soldiers can still hold our religious views (like I need anyone to tell me that). So, as a Christian officer, I still view homosexuality as immoral, and evil. if a soldier discloses to me that he or she is homosexual, then they have disclosed to me that they lack morality and ethics. I just cannot kick them out, or take a negative action against them. It would be similar if a soldier told me he or she was a swinger. If I had to leave a soldier behind during deployment as the rear detachment commander, and who would deal with family members, it would not be the swinger.
I have not lost my ability to use morality or critical
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 3:36pm@MONCINE
“an authentic glimpse of the contemporary Rangers”
I left the Ranger Regiment back in 1992, and have not served their since. Not sure I would be consider a representive of the modern ranger.
I can say that my five years in the 75th helped shape and mold who I am today. I still strive to maintain their physical requiremtns and still try to live by the Range Creed.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 3:46pmRJJinGadsden
Thanks
Report Post »encinom
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 4:03pm@Rangerdan,
You are admitting you are ignoring your orders. “So, as a Christian officer, I still view homosexuality as immoral, and evil. if a soldier discloses to me that he or she is homosexual, then they have disclosed to me that they lack morality and ethics…It would be similar if a soldier told me he or she was a swinger. If I had to leave a soldier behind during deployment as the rear detachment commander, and who would deal with family members, it would not be the swinger.” You are unable to treat the soilder as equals, you have proven that you are unfit for command. You have placed your fairy tale world above your country, wish your higher ups read this exchange and see the disgrace they have in their ranks.
Report Post »MONICNE
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 4:24pmWow, RANGERP, you certainly showed me a thing or two! Thanks for taking time out to actually address what I was curious about! The “one percent volunteer” US Military is broad and diverse, and as you point out, with individual inclinations that range from the divine to the decadent. It has always been so.
But most importantly, the services are a body disciplined enough to follow lawful orders, and change society, regardless of individualism. The biggest thing I gained from military service was a feeling that we were patriotically one regardless of background or belief or prejudice. We had a joint forces mission and employed teamwork to attain it together, repressing our fears at first, finally learning to trust and then excel. (We saw this patriotism flourish nationally after 9/11.)
When I was serving, if I read aloud some of your provocative posts publicly at the Pentagon Metro passageway, I would eventually have found myself procuring paperclips in Crystal City and not in consideration for a command. It is truly remarkable you can be yourself, belittle authority and diversity and still maintain your meteoric green to gold career advancement.
Lieutenant Colonel, Go Forth! Get your new Battalion! Continue to spread freedom. Stay safe and protect my grandchildren.
TEA – let’s address our common enemy – the Deficit!
(mega Kudos to RJJinGadsten)
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 4:47pmENCINOM
From the FM 22-100 (Army Leadership)
2-102 The Constitution reflects our deepest national values. Once of these values is the guarantee of freedom of religion. While religious beliefs and practices are left for individual conscience, Army leaders are responsible for ensuring their soldiers right to freely practice their religion. Title 10 of the United States Code states “Each commanding officer shall furnish facilities, including necessary……
From FM 6-22 Army leaders should consistently foster a climate in which everyone is treated with dignity and respect, regardless of race, gender, creed, or religious belief. Fostering a balanced and dignified work climate begins with a leader’s personal example…..
–take note that it does not mention “sexual orientations” sodomites, rapists, child molesters, swingers, adulterers, and those that have sex with sheep…. are not included. Homosexuals are not covered under equal opportunity with the repeal of DADT. they can serve, nothing more. So once again, under the first amendment, I am still granted the right to worship and believe as I wish. I as a Christian, believe the Bible, and the Bible clearly states that homosexuality is an abomination, right along with adultery, and other sexual sins.
I rest my case
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 5:18pmMoncine.
Aint Blogging cool? You can speak truth with no consequences. Can you imagine what would happen, if i accidentally signed on here with my real name? I might end up on Fox News, or even on the blaze, as the right wing infantry officer about to get squished for not being PC. That almost sounds inviting, but heck, I need to keep getting the pay check for a little while longer, to afford my shooting habit. We all saw what happened to Lieutenant General Mixon when he spoke the truth.
From your last post “When I was serving, if I read aloud some of your provocative posts publicly at the Pentagon Metro passageway, I would eventually have found myself procuring paperclips in Crystal City”
Wow, I did not realize the you have served in our military. Thanks much for your service. Being you are sixty, that means you served during the cold war. I am impressed.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 5:30pm@Rangerdan, the issue is not your right to worship bigotted little brain out, the ssue is the clear statement you made that you will not treat the men under your command equally, You can continue to quote the out dated field manuel and wait until your career is ended in dishonor as the war criminal Alan West. You have openingly commented that you give orders to your men based on your own bias. This has nothing to do with your right to worship and everything to do with the fact that your comments demonstrate that in typical military fashiion they promoted a mistake.
Report Post »usedCZARsalesman
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 5:35pmRANGER, can’t tell you how glad I am that there are still officers like you in the army. During my time in the army, I never met ANY officers that werent pathetic, weak, limp wristed bureaucrats. Pandering to whatever PC garbage came down the pike. You keep fighting the good fight, sir. As far as the convo goes with these folks…I’m afraid you may be “casting your pearls to swine”
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 5:42pmencinom
Oh yea, I forgot to mention. As a military leader, responsible for the health, welfare, and general well being of soldiers under me, I still have the ability to apply critical thinking to my job.
So when housing soldiers, and assigning duties, I have to consider the “whole person” concept.
If a soldier were to tell me that they are gay (personally i do not care to hear about anyone’s sex life, gay or heterosexual), then it might behove me to know some facts. Knowing that gay Americans carry 64% of the nations syphilis is important. Knowing that they made up 70% of new HIV cases last year is important. Knowing that they commit a third of the nations child molestatsion is important.
the latest buzz word in the Army is resiliency. After ten continuous years of fighting, suicide rates, and drug and alcohol use rates are very high. gays have much higher suicide rates and drug and alcohol abuse rates. Applying this knowledge is what leaders do.
Ignoring facts is what we call being politically correct. It is like trying to pick up a turd by the clean end. You still end up with stink on the end of your fingers. I prefer to just keep it real, and speak the truth.
Another big topic in the army, is sexual assault. If not mistaken, from 2006 to 2012, the stats have risen by 50%. Adding gays to the mix will make it higher. I hear they may now start allowing females to join the Infantry, and other combat arms. this will jack it even higher. PC ki
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 5:45pmusedCZARsalesman
Thanks, I started out as an enlisted soldier. I was a infantry squad leader prior to getting my green to gold scholarship. I would not take anything in the world for my enlisted days. Good NCOs set me on the right path early.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 5:55pmencinom
If given the choice, do you think folks on here would rather serve under your command, or mine?
I am guided by my values, morals, ethics… which align with the Bible (just George Washington, and the other founding fathers, Robert E Lee, George Marshall, LTG Mixon, LTG Boyken….). When I joined the Army in 87 , I had to answer whether or not I was homosexual. Had I said yes, or supported homosexuality, I would have been deemed unfit to serve. I have not changed, my convictions, beliefs, values remain the same. The highest ranks of our military joined under the same pretences. If they were so pro homosexual early on, why did they not say so? Did they flip flop, to appease the political correct police? Are they jockeying for position in the impending socialist take over. Do you respect people that flip flop on big issues.
Some of us have a back bone, and we speak the truth, even when it is not popular. Some will even speak the truth at the cost of death. I would bet that those days are coming, and coming faster that most would think. Look to the past, and there is a long history of Christians being tortured, killed, and prosecuted. Those days may be coming soon. If so, some of us will stand strong. the weak will give up their guns, their bibles, and will join you as a socialist humanist.
Report Post »MONICNE
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 6:21pmThanks to you, Sir. I have learned you cannot tell who might be on the other end of opinionated messages.
That’s me at Pattaya pulling R&R when I was a mission support team member at U-Tapao ‘72. We served with utmost professionalism and honor, but back then the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines and Coast Guard were all “a mans world.” LOL.
By the way a high percentage of us were assaulted off duty by our boys and ANZACs but we served proudly and changed the world. Some of us still get together at the Wall and Memorials for major anniversaries.
A similar evolution is happening now with those Gays and Lesbians you speak about who mainly want to serve honorably. Can you see how your words could be hurtful to some?
TEA. Peace.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 6:24pm@Rangerdan,
You are guided by your bigotry and bias, nothing noble. Boykin and Mixon are nothing more than the end of an era when bigots could demonstrate their bigotry openingly, these are not men to be honored but museum pieces whose flaws should be studied.
What kind of paranoid leader are you, unable to think for yourself, you are beholden to ancient myths and fairytales. “Some will even speak the truth at the cost of death. I would bet that those days are coming, and coming faster that most would think.” The truth is that is just another lie your Christian Fanatics tell to justifiy your hatred.
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AvengerK
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 6:34pmLOL…you have got to be sh#tting me MOREACNE…you’re swapping back and forth between “ENCINOM” and “MONICNE” to respond to RANGERP? You use your condescending “MONICNE” personality to ridicule him then use your “ENCINOM” personality to post your lefty drivel? Funny…your “MONICNE” personality is the one that usually takes a jab at Allen West..today you forgot who are you again and let “ENCINOM” do it. You sick lefty cur. You are one effed up little lefty troll.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 6:51pmRANGERP..let me add…You are not misguided in your caution about homosexuals serving under you. Over 55% of new HIV infections each year in this country are attributable to homosexuals. Homosexuals comprise less than 2% of the population…an overrepresenation of 2,750%. It is common for homosexual males to have had hundreds of sex partners in their lifetimes. The risks you allude to are very real and should not be taken lightly.
Report Post »Then there’s Brad Manning….
AvengerK
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 6:55pmRANGERP…ask “MONICNE/ENCINOM” what he/she thinks about Allen West. He/she believes he’s a war criminal for saving his men from an ambush. What credible serviceman would attack West incessantly for taking steps to save his men from an ambush? That should answer everything you need to know about “MONICNE” and his/her supposed service. Nothing the lefty cur says should be taken at face value..it’s all bait and distraction.
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 9:56pmYo Advengerk:
That’s some pretty good observation … slim pretty girl and fat ugly guy, also opposites… kinda like the name thing … wow!
At any rate ENCINOM: We concern ourselves about others because we are commanded to go out and make disciples, so you won’t suffer the just punishment of hell. You don’t want it; keep on going the way you are …
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 10:44pmMONICNE
I think you might be surprised to find that the assaults on female members of the military is getting worse. It has jumped almost 50% just from 2006.
there is no excuse for it, and the same generals that yell hooray for letting in the gays, keep hush hush about the rape and assault of females. I find it sickening. They are pandering to the politicians
After the first gulf war, the stats clearly showed that putting females in certain jobs was not working. the pregnancy rates, prostitution, assault….. showed it to be a failure. the problem with the top generals, is they are politicians. To speak the truth (Like LTG Mixon) is career suicide.
If American moms and dads knew how likely it would be that their little daughter would get raped before she even finishes basic and AIT, they would not let them join. Part of the reason we keep it so hush hush, is that it violates political correctness. When one is to look at the offender, and see the very high percentage of Black NCOs, committing the assaults, no one wants to talk about it.
As far as hurting feellings. I am not all that worried about it. I prefer to speak the truth. Sometimes the truth hurts, but it sure beats a lie that sugar coates.
I do not hate gays. I hate the lifestyle, and I know what it does to families, and nations. I attend a church that is open to any sinner. I would invite a gay person to my church without hesitation. They are welcome to sit next to me and my family.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 10:59pmMONCINE
“A similar evolution is happening now with those Gays and Lesbians you speak about who mainly want to serve honorably”
I can only see through my own two eyes, and yes, I am opinionated, but I do not see gays as just wanting to serve honorably. I have now served for a quarter of a century, and have been around many folks who I knew were gay. Without exception, all were problem soldiers.
In 3/75 Ranger, I served with SFC John Paulus. He is now a gay male porn star. He was an absolute train wreck, and one of the most immoral soldiers I have served with. I vividly remember stories of an off post party (I was not present), where a teen girl passed out. Paulus tied her to a coffee table (naked), broke open chem lights, purred the glowing liquid all over her, ran a wiffle ball bat inside of her and took pictures.
At OCS, I was a senior tac officer. I had a lesbian tac officer that spent more time recruiting lesbians. She never went to the field, and rank ordered her merit list based on color and sex (black females at the bottom of peer reports, were her top picks). She got fired, and then got fired for illegal activity at here next job, and was put out of the military.
Months ago I separated a HIV positive service member, after he committed burglary and assault on one of his previous “friends”.
I did not serve with PFC Bradley Manning, but he is another shining example of gays in our military.
Just a few examples off the top of my head.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 11:02pmMoncine
Let us not forget the good Baron Von Stueben. He wrote our drill and ceremony manual during the revolutionary war. He is another shining example of a gay man.
He was a Prussian officer prior to coming to the Colonies. He left Prussia, because he was run out. He raped two young boys in military school, under his command. Not exactly the type of dude you want in charge, when you send your son into the Army.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 12:08pmPerhaps I am biased, but I believe I hands down won this debate.
After going back and reading, I found a couple points of interest.
I notice that I compared my morals, ethics, values, beliefs…. to that of the founding fathers. I compared ENCINOM’s to Lady Ga Ga, Madonna, Bill Maher…..
What did ENCINOM have to say about this? Nothing. He basically agreed with me on this one. I find that scary. It is kind of like reading the blogs on the Huffpo. It scares me to know that we have a rather sizeable portion of the American voting population, that share the morals of Lady Ga Ga, and despise the morals, beliefs, values of the founding fathers. These people are dangerous.
If America does not change directions, we will lose our freedoms very quickly, and we will cease to be the great nation that we once were.
I guess you have to question the nation that willingly went to the polls, and elected a junior senator, with no military experience, no business experience, no real leadership experience, no record of his academic achievements, known ties to terrorists, communists, Marxists, socialists. We are living in scary days.
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 8:03pmYo RangerP:
We are already runnin on fumes … question is… when the engine shuts off do we coast into the gas station or end up in the middle of the desert.
Report Post »Juergensen
Posted on May 21, 2012 at 9:56pmI’m not going to vote for a baby killer and a homosexual lover either!
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 7:25amamen
Report Post »watt
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 8:37amSo you won’t be voting for either candidate then, correct?
“Baby Killer” – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFMdK0TWtks
“Homosexual Lover” – http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2006/12/romney_spoke_of.html
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 10:00amwatt
Exactly, I will sit this one out. If the republicans can not do any better than liberal RINO Romney, they do not get my vote.
Report Post »inblack
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 11:19amRon Paul – Champion of babies and lover of all God’s children!
Babies – delivered and cared for thousands. Has rejected abortion his entire career.
Homosexuals – The govt should have no say in voluntary associations between two people, marriage is a religious construct and should not be controlled by the govt. Marriage already has a definition. Any disputed should be handled by the states. “Everybody is God’s child”
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 2:19pmRANGERP, I have agreed and been enlightened by all of your previous posts, but on this I must disagree. As much as I am no fan of Romney and like McCain and many other presidential candidates going back to Nixon for me, I will again have to hold my nose and vote for him anyway. I hate it, but the alternative is far worse, and believe me, 0bama has certainly proved himself to be far more damaging.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 5:20pmRJJinGadsden
I hear you. It is a tough decision, and a hard pill to swallow.
Report Post »Man-Zou
Posted on May 25, 2012 at 10:19amRangerP if you actually are a LTC, I’m embarrassed for the entire Army, and feel horrible for your unit. If you were my commander, I would exercise my right to make sure you didn’t bring your bible bull-crap to work, and trust me… I would win.
Although, the way you speak on this forum; I don’t think that would be too hard, since I seriously doubt you have attained any such commission.
Report Post »rickc34
Posted on May 21, 2012 at 9:42pmHave the liberals taken over the blaze?
Report Post »In That Day
Posted on May 21, 2012 at 10:55pmRickC34,
What is happening is that a rotten-to-the-core Churchianity System is showing itself on the internet and Churchianity’s fruit stinketh to high heaven!
Churchianity has refused correction for 30-50 years, and therefore by its hatred of correction, it has hated Western Enlightenment’s protocols of openness, transparency, walking the talk, checking the leader’s other hand for corruption, teaching that ALL Leaders are NOT angels, and that pride grows when correction is kilt.
Pastors’ “Invisible Stage Dummies” are speaking, and they are making viral videos! What are Pastors’ “Invisible Stage Dummies”?
They are Mark 16:20 reverse signs, indicating God will provide reverse signs and wonders confirming when the Truth is NOT spoken. (Even as good signs follow when Truth IS spoken.)
UNCORRECTABLE pastors are having their “Invisible Stage Dummies” talk and show just how Ignorant Leaders Who Proclaim They Are All Angels… can be.
And RickC34, UNCORRECTABLE CHURCHIANITY PASTORS…. can be pretty dumb.
And I thank The Blaze for showing them in the midst of their brainwashing-the-sheep corruption!
It‘s almost like it’s In That Day, with so many people waking up to Churchianity‘s Pastors who’ve said for 30- years: “Everything’s Fine With Us Angels (Wink, Wink!) Oh You Sheep We Like to Blinker, Blind, & Keep Dumb & Contributing!”
What do you think of this IDIOT’s rube-audience? Does he demand tithes and blinkering?
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 5:44amIn That Day
“The Church of the Firstborn” Wow, I never heard of that denomination. It must be one of the top 100 denominations! did their pastor get his Divinity Degree out of the same Crackerjack box as Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson & that guy from West Boro?
In all seriousness, who in your family did you lose or has been hurt?
Report Post »sawbuck
Posted on May 21, 2012 at 9:38pmHmmm.. Looks like we have another Reverend sharing
his EXTREME point of view .. with his congregation…!
We should probably check out the front pew and scan it to see who is sitting there…
We might catch a glimpse of our future President…!
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on May 21, 2012 at 9:54pmIn California? — This guy must be the Bravest SOB on the Planet! I would send him Donations… just so he can get Protection!
Report Post »girlnurse
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 2:39amLUKERW…No its in North Carolina! Are u kidden? He would be tarred and feathered in California!
Report Post »rickc34
Posted on May 21, 2012 at 9:38pm1 st Corithians chapter 6 verses 9-10
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on May 21, 2012 at 9:56pmI do not read Greek… What did Paul say this time?
Report Post »susana ms
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 1:06amWhy they make the biggest sin of the gay, the other sins? in fact in Romans 1 refers not only gays, too, adulterers, greedy, ruthless, and so on. Furthermore reelevancia ROM 1 gives more to the sin of idolatry, for idolatry is the cause of all human perversions. And where is the repression against the mother of all evils: Idolatry?. Oh is the fear of the Roman clergy.that’s a very cowardly attack on the helpless.
Report Post »OrdainedPraise
Posted on May 21, 2012 at 9:21pmOh my – he’s gone too far. I’m sure it is not the only time this has happened in certain American congregations. Remember Geramia Wright? (spelling) He was pretty outlandish too. Let’s hope these types of ministers and the lost homosexuals all repent and find new hope in the Lord.
Report Post »Tractorboy
Posted on May 21, 2012 at 11:06pmSome christains are very very bad at trying to be like the son of god, shame on them. That kind of talk and attitude, I‘m sure won’t bring you to a place close to god in eternity. Hate the sin not the sinner.
Report Post »bikerr
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 1:02am@Tractorboy—That’s a capital“G” not a“g” to you in God’s name ,sparky!
Report Post »hardiepiper
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 9:16amGod hates the sinner. He is a righteous God.
Psalms 5:5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
Psalms 11:5 The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence His soul hateth.
Leviticus 20:23 And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them.
Proverbs 6:16-19 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: 17A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 18An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, 19A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
Hosea 9:15 All their wickedness is in Gilgal: for there I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of mine house, I will love them no more: all their princes are revolters.
Report Post »Tractorboy
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 9:52am@biker, You sir are right, Thank you for the correction. GOD is in all caps in my life, I do sense your disagreement with my message though. Which do you think has a more effective delivery of the anti-sin message, Kirk Cameron or pastor electric fence? If we want the country to keep sliding down the hole it’s going, then crappy Christians should keep doing what they are doing. You good Christains keep up the good fight, and God be with you.
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on May 21, 2012 at 9:06pmThis may be exactly the purpose behind 0′s gay marriage agenda. The ultimate goal is targeting pastors and what they say.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 7:47amTHis Pastor was reading from the book of Hitler with his call for concentration camps.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 12:55pmPerhaps ENCIDIOT..the pastor should read from Chairman Mao’s little red book instead? More your speed….
Report Post »dissentnow
Posted on May 21, 2012 at 9:06pmIf you don‘t like what he says then don’t go to his church. Its just that simple.
Report Post »SovereignSoul
Posted on May 21, 2012 at 9:14pmThat’s right! And, if you don’t like same sex marriage, don’t go to the weddings. I’m not.
Report Post »dissentnow
Posted on May 21, 2012 at 9:37pmExactly. I don’t agree with him but, as an atheist, i support his right to free speech and religion because, in doing so, i’m supporting my right to do the same.
Report Post »Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
Posted on May 21, 2012 at 11:03pmI’m really not even that put out by the fact that someone is railing against the LGBT community from the pulpit. That’s like a dog bites man story. What offends me is the gross, GROSS, misunderstanding, or should I say disunderstanding?, of basic science, specificly genetics.
Yes, let’s put all of the LGBT people on an island by ourselves and ring the waters around it with shark pens and sea mines. (That’ll be the most *fabulous* island on the planet.) Eventually, all of the queers will die off because, obviously, queers can never procreate biologicly, and then there will be no more queers, since queerity is genetic (for the people who can’t reproduce), and no heterosexual couple ever birthed a queer kid.
Disunderstanding is a word I coined to describe something more egregious than a mere misunderstanding. Disunderstanding is a willful misunderstanding that rejects all attempts to remedy it. Misunderstanding is to accident as disunderstanding is to an intentional act of (intellectual) sabotage.
Report Post »SovereignSoul
Posted on May 21, 2012 at 11:25pmHow do I feel about his plan? “I’m agin it. The bible’s agin it. And God’s agin it.”
Report Post »sarahkm967
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 4:05amI fully support first amendment rights, but he sure as hell is going to get flak for calling for basically concentration camps filled with homosexuals. Hitler had that idea over 70 years ago and it is as abhorrent then as it is now. Besides the 6 million Jews, Soviets, Poles, Gypsies, communists, and homosexuals were locked in places like Auschwitz and personally I find this an offense that should cost him at least some penalty within his church. This should at least be a sign of some degradation within our society and its morality if calling for the extermination of an entire people is considered okay.
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 8:50amYo Hollowpoints:
God is going to deal with ALL sin … you do understand that right?
I know you‘re great intellect has told you He’s the sin … or that wispering in you’re ear…
Report Post »inblack
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 11:34amThat is a pretty weak condemnation. “So don’t go to that church”
You people are quick to judge gays, blacks, liberals and marxists when they have done wrong, but you can’t quite condemn a preacher.
Shame on you. What he said is indefensible. He should be fired.
All you weak Christians need to grow a spine and realize Jesus would never call for us to kill a sinner.
Worse yet, he didn’t even isolate his attack to those who sinned by act. He is willing to kill those who are gay and have not sinned.
Disgusting.
Report Post »Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 12:01pm@ 4 Truth 2 All:
Actually, my great intellect has told me that he (god) does not exist, not that he exists, but is a sin, whatever that means. (I thought a sin was an act or thought, not an intelligent entity. *shrug*
And if I ever start hearing voices whispering in my ear and there’s not an actual, corporeal person or ear bud annunciator involved, I’ll be checking myself into the nearest mental institution for a diagnosis check for schizophrenia.
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 9:39pmHowdy LPHP’s, or would you rather that I call you by your original name? Makes no difference to me.
It’s me, The Monk, again, to help you if I can. I feel your pain. But, you must understand the limits of Science and Religion. Both are limited; Science to the known and Religion to the unknown.
Your great intellect tells you that nothing but memorized scientific data is real and the Religious community has the same data that has been memorized yet not scientifically true. Both are wrong in my opinion.
SIN is nothing more than “Self Imposed Nonsense” in my opinion. Don’t fall for the non-sense and just get on with your Life.
We Love You.
Report Post »mikefromaltoona
Posted on May 21, 2012 at 9:04pmRegardless of my position on homosexuality, this is about the silliest thing I’ve ever read.
Report Post »SpankDaMonkey
Posted on May 21, 2012 at 9:03pm.
That‘s the best plan I’ve heard to date….
God said not to put that in your mouth in the first place…..
Report Post »ChuckJ
Posted on May 21, 2012 at 9:01pmI would hope that this is taken out of context, because a man of God and a follower of Jesus Christ would not condone this.
Report Post »Calm Voice of Reason
Posted on May 21, 2012 at 9:25pmJust as a thought experiment, create for me a context for these statements that renders them Christ-loving and reasonable. I‘m not asking you to put words in anyone’s mouths, we all know this a simple exercise. But, please, find me the word salad that makes this not exactly what it sounds like.
Report Post »txjb
Posted on May 21, 2012 at 10:56pmHate the sin , love the sinner .
Report Post »kaydeebeau
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 6:04amHow about this – since this is only a very brief “taken out of context” snippet of what the Pastor said….perhaps the lead into the sermon went something like this….”what people need is the Saving Grace of the Lord. People can have all kinds of ideas about how to deal with the homosexual issue, such as “X” or what about “y”. Or such a qualifying statement could have come at some other point after this statement.
Since it is more than possible that the you tube poster had an agenda to illicit the types of responses as read in this report, it is also (especially in light of recent “creative editing” that seems to be epidemic) more than possible that this snippet is far from representative of the entire context and intent from the Pastor
Report Post »dadadadio
Posted on May 21, 2012 at 9:00pmThis Baptist minister would be welcome in Tehran. I guess it never occurred to the reverend that gay people are virtually 100% offspring of heterosexual couples of one kind or another, none of whom live inside his ‘fence’.
Report Post »jonboy1903
Posted on May 21, 2012 at 11:40pmNo. Actually as being branded a Christian in Teheran, his life would be in danger just as a homosexual’s life would be. It is illegal to spread Christianity there and is punishable by death just like homosexual behavior is punishable by death…
Report Post »SovereignSoul
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 1:59amI don’t think we can call what he is spreading Christianity.
Report Post »progressiveslayer
Posted on May 21, 2012 at 8:59pmHe doth protest too much,he should come out of the closet and he sounds like that westboro cult nut job protesting our servicemen killed overseas.
Report Post »MONICNE
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 10:32amI agree! It’s a good thing he is not getting and publicity. There are actually some folks who would send him money if they knew he existed.
TEA
Report Post »wisehiney
Posted on May 21, 2012 at 8:58pmThese all about the dollar churches remind me of the lame stream media, ANYTHING for ratings.
Report Post »jonboy1903
Posted on May 21, 2012 at 11:38pmI have seen this church in passing and this is not the regular message there by any means…This Pastor is from another generation and is old enough to not really give a damn about political correctness. Neither is it about dollars, and I don’t know how controversial preaching generates money, anyway. This man has a bug in his craw…and has siad somethings with which, and while you may not agree, you really can’t say that he does not have a right to say it.
Report Post »Waterlylys
Posted on May 21, 2012 at 8:58pmJesus called out sin of every nature, St. Paul called out sin. Both called the sinner to repent. I am calling out this pastor for his hate and bigotry and telling him must repent! Above all Jesus said Christians would be known by their love. Whatever his point is, this does not come from the heart of Christ, also known as a heart of love. These words come from anger, fear, hate, and evil. He will be judged by the same measure he uses to judge others. (Matthew 7:2)
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on May 21, 2012 at 8:56pmThere is a respectful way to communicate God’s word and this is not it. Shame on you, Pastor.
Report Post »Mr.Fitnah
Posted on May 21, 2012 at 8:55pmDelightful .
Report Post »If that is what being Christ like is all about, Im not really interested .
jonboy1903
Posted on May 21, 2012 at 11:45pmYou define CHrist by one example. I hope your wisdom extends further than your intellect regarding Muslims as well, you clearly believe that they are all Jihadis as well.
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 8:53amWhy don’t you read the bible for yourself, then you’ll know for sure!
Report Post »You don’t have to … then you’ll never know …
tarm778
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 1:28pmYou act like a single hateful sermon preached by some guy no one has ever heard of is all the evidence needed to convince people that Christianity should be rejected?
Report Post »Get a clue.
nzkiwi
Posted on May 21, 2012 at 8:54pmThis guy is a complete nut.
Report Post »Individualism
Posted on May 21, 2012 at 8:54pmRadical Christianity as dangerous as Radical Islam
Report Post »nzkiwi
Posted on May 21, 2012 at 9:09pmI see your point, but I think it’s a bit strong.
You get the odd Christian nut who spouts this nonsense, but muslims actually carry the idea through to reality.
Report Post »Jaymz70
Posted on May 21, 2012 at 11:30pmWell done stealing that quote from hate-monger Rosie O’Donnell. But radical Christianity is as follows: Loving your enemy, doing good to those who hate you, blessing those who curse you, praying for those who persecute you. When one asks you to walk a mile with him, walk two miles with him. When one asks you for your shirt, offer him your coat as well. Feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, visiting the sick and imprisoned, Those are examples of radical Christianity, and I am sorry that you find that so dangerous.
Report Post »sarahkm967
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 3:58amThere is definitely such a thing as radical Christianity. Look at Anders Behring Breivik who murdered over 70 teenagers who he considered “too liberal” and he left a 1000-word christian manifesto in his room. Or look at the Spanish Inquisition, Salem Witch Trials, the IRA, the Serbian Orthodox Christians who slaughtered many Muslim Bosnians in the 1990s, or any of the numerous crusades. And don’t forget the many genocides God called for in the Bible. Christianity can be just as extreme and radical as any other religion.
Report Post »progressiveslayer
Posted on May 21, 2012 at 8:53pmColbert will have a field day with this cat.
Report Post »jonboy1903
Posted on May 21, 2012 at 11:43pmCOlbert should have had a field day with Jeremiah Wright and his GD America, but I guess I missed that show.
Report Post »jjjj
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 5:58amThere were 19 of them, JonBoy. If you’d like, you can search “Jeremiah Wright” on his website. But then you‘d realize that you’re wrong and you didn’t check that statement before you made it.
Report Post »tarm778
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 1:23pmWho gives a damn about Colbert and his lowly rated news show? More people watch the Food Network than watch that idiot.
Report Post »FaithFamilyandFriends
Posted on May 21, 2012 at 8:50pmDear God what have we become? Save us from ourselves! We must love one another. It really is the only way out of this. Treat others with respect, kindness and compassion.
Report Post »SovereignSoul
Posted on May 21, 2012 at 9:16pmFinally, a sentiment with which I can completely agree.
Report Post »Jezreel
Posted on May 21, 2012 at 8:49pmHe has his first admendment rights and has the freedom to believe and say what he wants. This is the United States. Not communist Russia or China. He is most probably a hireling, preaches for a paychecks and twists the word of God on tithing etc and tells his congregation about the rapture so on judgment day, he will probably get it as bad in judgment as the gays that he preaches against.
Report Post »inblack
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 11:04amHe is disgusting and deserves to be fired and ostracized.
I would also warn him that inciting violence is illegal.
Report Post »TRONINTHEMORNING
Posted on May 21, 2012 at 8:46pmBe it known that I am a Bible-believing (every jot and tittle) Christian conservative. This ‘pastor’ is a dimwit. He has no biz being in the pulpit. The congregation should leave immediately; unless they are as repulsive as he. You don’t wish people dead, you pray for them–a real pastor knows that.
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on May 21, 2012 at 8:54pmYeah Tron, I definitely agree. Apparently the rest of us were taught to love the sinner, hate the sin. This pastor Westboro material.
Report Post »therockczar
Posted on May 21, 2012 at 10:04pmThis pastor has more kahuna’s than a lot out there!!!!
Report Post »Watchyer6
Posted on May 21, 2012 at 8:44pmAin’t religion great?
Report Post »wisehiney
Posted on May 21, 2012 at 8:44pmHey mommy, I wanna go to the zoo to see the **** sapiens.
Report Post »wisehiney
Posted on May 21, 2012 at 8:56pmHey Blaze, Ya got that word detector set pretty high doncha?
Report Post »nzkiwi
Posted on May 21, 2012 at 9:06pmThey have, haven’t they. It can get a bit frustrating at times.
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