Pastor & His Wife Hold ‘Sexperiment’ on the Rooftop of Their Church
- Posted on January 17, 2012 at 10:59am by
Billy Hallowell
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Last Friday, Reverend Ed Young and his wife Lisa participated in an interesting “sexperiment” when they staged a “bed-in” on the rooftop of their church. The goal, you ask? Ed and Lisa’s actions were taken in an effort to encourage fellow Christians to put the romance back into their marriages by having sex for seven consecutive days.
The husband and wife took to the top of the Fellowship Church in Grapevine, Texas, serving as prime examples to those seeking a better and more prosperous marriage. Their effort, according to the Daily Mail, was inspired by John Lennon and Yoko Ono’s peaceful protest bed-ins in 1969.
Of course, they didn’t begin their own personal sex-a-thon on the very-public church top. Instead, they took the opportunity to answer Twitter and Facebook questions, while giving interviews and making statements about Christianity and sex. They used a live web cam to document the experience.
The L.A. Times has more about the couple’s social media interaction during the experience:
Several guests chatted with the couple via Skype.
“It is obvious Lisa is doing all the work of the bed-in,” joked Steven Furtick, of Charlotte, N.C. “I might make an analogy… ”
They all laughed.
Furtick, a young father of three married for almost a decade, quoted Proverbs 29:13, “Where there is no vision, people cast off restraint.”
“Usually we approach sexuality from a restrictive standpoint,” he said, as the Youngs nodded in agreement. “You can put on all the rules and scare people with tactics, but if there’s no vision, no preferable future they’re driving towards, the restraint will be cast off. You guys have a vision.”
The Youngs agreed.
The couple used the experience to promote their new book, “Sexperiment: 7 Days to Lasting Intimacy With Your Spouse.” Both Ed and Lisa believe that Christian churches have been too silent about sex. Their book claims that having sex every day for one week will help strengthen married couples’ marriages and faith.
“We’re bringing the bed back in church,” Ed says. “Sex is the ‘superglue’ in a Christian marriage.”
“God is ‘the author and creator of sex,’ Lisa said in an interview with CNN. “Why would we not — in the context of church — speak about something that he was not bashful about?”
Watch the couple further discuss the experience in an interview with CNN:
Sex is a hot topic these days among evangelicals. Another book about Christianity and sex by Mark Driscoll and his wife, Grace, has sparked controversy, as at least one faith blogger has maintained that it has “the potential to wreak havoc” on relationships.
(H/T: Daily Mail)
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Comments (333)
vaman
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 11:50amGood for them! God created sex right? So have it. A little more sex in this world would probably mellow some people out.
Report Post »Bearfoot
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 12:39pmTrying to develop more publicity to help sell their book !
We may wonder how they view Matthew 28:18-20 ?
Have they lost their focus?
Report Post »MoreCowbell
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 12:46pmOf course God created sex. To be between one man and one woman behind closed doors. Would you have sex (and I know he’s not actually having sex) in front of everyone? That’s because there is a certain amount of shame that is associated with the act due to the fall. Why did Adam and Eve cover up when they ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil? They were ashamed. Sin entered the earth and it’s been getting worse ever since. Case in point: a “pastor” is glorifying sex on a church roof. Shameful. How about glorifying the Creator and not the creation?
Report Post »Just_Us
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 12:46pmWait, doesn’t Matt 28:18-20 end with teaching them everything I have commanded you? Like 1 Corinthians 7:5 Do not deprive each other except perhaps by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.
If you believe the bible is inspired, then the verse above falls in to what is commanded. Or how about Ephesians 5? A marriage is a model for how your relationship with Christ is. Is that cold and sterile? Perhaps first reading the actual article would help you out too so you have some context about what you are posting.
Report Post »TRUTHSENSE
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 1:00pmWhat better Christian examples to follow than John Lennon and Yoko Ono who had such a close walk with Jesus Christ. Oh. No. Wait. That was some mystic guru of Buddhism, or Hinduism. Oh well, I guess it was an easy mistake for a pastor to make. Seriously, sex in a marriage is important, but our society is already obsessed with sex now, and “We’re bringing the bed back in church”? When the Holy Spirit is not present I guess you have to fill the void with something. For this hireling to use the church in such a way to sell a book is worse than the money changers that Jesus drove out of the temple. Wake up people.
Report Post »ChristmanWalking
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 1:15pmRegarding Barefoot and To: Just_us:
Report Post »1st to Just_us: Right On!
To Barefoot: With your logic we have thousands of words we should not Focus on in the Word. Christ came to free us.
God Bless and Hope Accept the Freedom Christ Truly Paid For!!!
riaf-decnalab
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 1:16pmThis couple is about 30 years behind the teaching of St. Pope John Paul II’s Theology of the Body. His thought was that sex should be celebrated in marriage and each should focus on gratifying the other in the act of sex with the thought of pro-creation. Very cool teaching for the Bishop of Rome. If you have a chance to read this teaching or view it (Christopher West), it’s very well worth your time.
Report Post »Blacktooth
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 1:19pmJust us,
Are you really trying to say the focus of the teachings of Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour, is to encourage married couples to have sexual intercourse? Unbelievable! Is that why God sent His Son to earth? Is that the message of Christianity?
Report Post »ChristmanWalking
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 1:21pm@RIAF: I’m not Catholic but Great Teaching…Here is some more of the churches teachings.
Report Post »“By its very nature, conjugal love requires the inviolable fidelity of the spouses. This is the consequence of the GIFT OF THEMSELVES which they make to each other. Love seeks to be definitive; it cannot be an arrangement “until further notice.” The “intimate union of marriage, as a mutual giving of two persons, and the good of the children demand total fidelity from the spouses and require an unbreakable union between them.” it goes on to say…
“It can seem difficult, even impossible, to bind oneself for life to another human being. This makes it all the more important to proclaim the Good News that God loves us with a definitive and irrevocable love, that married couples share in this love, that it supports and sustains them, and that by their own faithfulness they can be witnesses to God’s faithful love. Spouses who with God’s grace GIVE THIS WITNESS OFTEN, in very difficult conditions, deserve the gratitude and support of the ecclesial community.”
VerySeniorCitizen
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 1:51pmIs sex really the superglue which holds Christian marriages together? Then WHY are divorces so prevalent in the USA where 77% of the population claims to be Christian?
And what is the ‘superglue’ which holds together the marriages of other cultures. Is it that the ‘married’ woman who is raped is stoned to death (till death do us part) or is it that in many cultures women have NO rights so have no way of leaving the marriage bed? There are cultures which demean women so much that they consider them useless (except as sexual vessels) and I have to wonder WHY men allow these women to raise their sons??
Maybe COMMUNICATION, CARING and UNDERSTANDING could be a better glue!
Report Post »VerySeniorCitizen
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 2:00pmTo MORECOWBELL – With a moniker like yours I wonder why you make such a statement. Sex should be behind closed doors. Have you ever delivered your cow to the bull and WATCHED to make sure that everything went well. And I guess I should sut my dog and his girlfriend in the spare bedroom. And heaven forbid my grandson whould see a wild animal in ‘rut’!
False modesty is the downfall of the ‘civilized’ human race – except, of course, for those cultures which still survive in the jungles where everyone lives together in a single shanty made of tree branches and mud! By the way, do those people marry one man to one women as ‘decided by god’? Well they have survived for millinnea so I guess they are doing something right!
Report Post »jonnydoe
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 2:11pmMedia whores.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 2:30pm@VerySeniorCitizen
“Is sex really the superglue which holds Christian marriages together? Then WHY are divorces so prevalent in the USA where 77% of the population claims to be Christian?”
Very, very astute question. Now ask it to yourself over and over a couple of times, and let the reality of the answer confront you in very bold letters.
Fact is, while lots of “cultural sex” messages are out there, the actual intimacy happening in marriages these days is, according to most every study out there, far, far less than it ever has been. Folks were being far more happily intimate in the 1950′s than they could ever imagine being today.
So your question is right on the mark, and points to the actual problem, which as I understand it so far as the article goes, the preacher is trying to address.
Report Post »riaf-decnalab
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 2:47pm@CHRISTMANWALKING
Report Post »Amen – I actually studied the Theology of the Body teaching and it’s nice to take the viewpoint that we ourselves are gifts to one another and each of us has the ability to create a trinitarian unity between God, ourself and the person we’re interacting with. I know of a number of people who I can definitively say are in complete union with God and readuily display this when the interact with others. Of couse, the special sacrament offered in marriage is unique because God has consecreated the union Himself. It really does make you take a completely new and exciting view of your tired old spouse and injects new life into your relationships (not ony with your spouse but everyone you encounter). The obvious point needed to be made is that you need to see yourself as a gift to any and all with the unique focus on your wife and God.
db321
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 2:49pmDon’t WALK – RUN from that Church Immediately – We have huge problems in America and this is what this Church is teaching. Right out of the pages of Saddam and Gomorrah. What next for this Church an Orgy.
The Bible is opening up right before our very eyes and this Pastor wants to teach a Love in – Congregants get out of that Church today and get in a Church that teaches from the Bible.
If this Pastor was a Car dealer he would have his kids in the Commercial – like that sells cars – then he would tell us that “Nobody beats his deal” – I say BS he’s lying. This Pastor needs to get out of Bed and get to work by putting his nose in the Bible and prepare a sermon for Sunday that would blow Satan’s Wig Off!
Report Post »Ookspay
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 3:08pm“Sex is the ‘superglue’ in a Christian marriage.”
Don’t get that mixed up with the KY heating lotion, just stain’.
Report Post »VerySeniorCitizen
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 3:59pmGHOSTOFJEFFERSON
I have been a widow for 30 years. My marriage lasted until ‘death did us part’ and I’m STILL lonely for him. However, while sex was great, our most intimate times were spent snuggled on the living room sofa listening to the ‘Great Masters’ (Bach, Bethoven, Puccinni, et. al). We were NEVER embarrassed to hug and steal a kiss in the supermarket aisle or as we walked the beach in the rain. WHY is so much emphasis put on sex? Remember, even Adam and Eve decided to wear fig leaves and even when Caine took unto himself a wife – WHERE did she come from – or was there some incestual hanky-panky going on!
To ALL those who believe that sex is the single ‘glue which holds a marriage together’ I say – HOW SAD!!
Report Post »PF
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 4:11pmBearfoot… they are giving 100% of the book sales to the church. Not a portion. Not proceeds. 100%. Perhaps you’ve forgotten Matthew 7:1.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 4:46pm@VerySeniorCitizen
Because, as I just mentioned, sexual relations between husband and wife in these united States is so far on the decline compared to any other time in our history that it’s begetting an entire generation of divorced people. Get it? People have become so enamoured with pursuing interests outside the family that intimacy has not only fallen to the wayside, but lack of intimacy has become a “lifestyle” for an overwhelming majority of married couples these days. This isn’t the days of your youth any longer, and it’s all you can do to convince most married folks (and by that, I mean mostly wives) that their husbands are worth the time for attention nowadays.
Don’t take my word on it, look into divorce statistics and surveys.
Report Post »Wolf
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 5:08pmThe next headline we read about this cuple will be about the divorce.
Report Post »ZengaPA65
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 7:07pmHow about the church stays out of everyone’s bedroom. period.
Report Post »waggie
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 8:33pmYeah, but why do we all have to know about it? God meant sex to be between a man and a woman. Why do they have to bring all of us into it also? I DON’T CARE! SEX IS BETWEEN YOU AND YOUR SPOUSE, NOT ALL OF US!
Report Post »Tower7_TRUTH
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 8:34pmFinally a church I can believe in…
Report Post »jwt
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 9:10pmDumb
Report Post »jwt
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 9:12pmdumb idea
Report Post »MoreCowbell
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 9:42pm@VERYSENIORCITIZEN Your moniker proves why you don’t understand the humor of my moniker. Are you actually attempting to make some sort of comparison between the sex act of animals and the sex act of humans?? There’s your first problem. We are made in Gods image. Animals are not.
Report Post »“False modesty is the downfall of the ‘civilized’ human race”–Yeah. Not rape or pedophilia or murder or anything like that. The fact that we are, what; pretending to be modest? It would be nice if some people would pretend to be modest once in a while.
Your just throwing out straw men here. As for the people in the shanty…God created everyone and he has sewn his laws into our hearts. We know he exists and anyone who wonders and questions about Him (even shanty people) He will be sure to make a way for that person to understand His plan of salvation. We all have survived a millennia because God wishes that no man should perish, but that you will hear and respond to the gospel with repentance and faith so you can have everlasting life in heaven. Read the book of John, then read Romans, with an open and willing heart. It will be very clear if you really want to know the truth. I hear it has no agenda.
Linda.Regina
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 9:58pmJust Freakin’ SICK!! What the HELL are u DOING,,,Is this not a HOUSE OF GOD???????????SICK attention seekers,,,,Dispicable,,,,DISRESPECTFUL SPECTACLE……WHAT THE HELL DO THE KIDS THINK????Screwin up a WHOLE CONGREGATION,,,,,SICK< SICK< SICK!!!!
WHAT NEXT???????? ARE U GONNA FILM IT????????CUZ MAYBE PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE HELL A SEXPERIMENT LOOKS LIKE?!??! MAYBE U CAN GET EVEN MORE ATTENTION WITH A FREAKIN SEX TAPE……DON'T NOBODY GET MARRIED AT THIS SICK CHURCH. OK,,,,DO UR DAMN SEX TAPE,,BUT I GUARANTEE U SOME POOR SOULS WILL WATCH IT AND U CAN MAKE ALOT OF MONEY DOING THAT……..DAMNED IDIOTS!!!!!
Report Post »madasblazes
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 11:19pmWell, mellow this:
I heard this abomination in Houston; Mothers got up and yanked their small children out of the service as he did the same thing replacing the podium with a bed. People walked out! (This guy is Ed Young, Jr.). Frankly, it was disgusting. (’sex like choclate cake…sermon’).
Now, I can see this guy has some sexual issues and ideas that he is running from. It is quite evident to me there is a major problem with him and I am disgusted he calls himself a Christian pastor…what a crock!
He is the same one who had muslims pray at the 9-11 memorial service at his Fellowship church.
I’m telling you there is a sexual problem with him. This isn’t normal, reasonable nor information we all need to be better Christians.
Report Post »Run from this church, as fast as you can!
Who would Jesus bomb?
Posted on January 18, 2012 at 10:26amLOL – I wonder how many will end in divorce by the second day. Or how many guys will run out of viagra by day 3.
Report Post »gary-drumm
Posted on January 18, 2012 at 11:26amBearfoot, how exactly does Matt 28:18-20 apply? Jesus didn‘t say don’t have sex. God is not opposed to sex. Pleasure is not evil and who on earth spends every waking hour devoted to spreading the gospel? Men and women have sex. It’s part of who we are and what we do. And yes, it’s enjoyable and no it has nothing to do with Matt: 28-18-20
Report Post »VerySeniorCitizen
Posted on January 18, 2012 at 12:41pm@ MORECOWBELL
Maybe YOU should read Genesis 1:20. “And God made the beat of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and everything that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and and God waw that it was good!” AND he thought to make all these creatures BEFORE he made mad. So was man a mere afterthought?? So if God made all these things (including man) I’m sure he meant for ALL of them to find a place in your heaven – because what God created and saw WAS GOOD!
As for the Shanty dwellers? Well, my friend, many years ago it was many a bible thumper who brought letal illnesses into many of their worlds – so maybe God didn’t want ALL men to survive. Other tribes have NEVER HEARD of your God. They REPECT the world around them and try to protect it – unlike many ‘religious zealot’ humans do today. There are hundreds of religions around the world and VERY few of them worship your god – but they survive and thrive.
I think of Muhatma Ghandi who said – “I like your Christ. I DO NOT like your Christians. They are so UNLIKE your Christ!” And I agreewith him! Have a nice day!
Report Post »heykelli
Posted on January 18, 2012 at 1:04pmThe reply is to Bearfoot: I do not believe this couple have lost their focus. God first then your spouse. If you have God and a good relationship you should be doing the same with your spouse. Sex is healthy, we all have seen the proof from science. They are showing believers, there is nothing wrong with it and it is important. God doesn’t look down on them for it. I know of many people who think believers are prude and very orthodox when it comes to EVERYTHING. God made us in his image and we are sexual beings so why not address it? This is very important to a lasting marriage or so I am told. Also, what they are doing brings interest to their church and may save a few souls. Who are you to judge?
Report Post »cheterbob
Posted on January 19, 2012 at 6:12amI’m not quite sure I understand your place with the Matthew 28 18-20 statement. Talking about going out into the world and making fishers of men and the Lord being with us forever seems like a completely different subject then how to keep a Christian Marriage strong. I believe these are two very different topics. Sex was meant to be Gods gift to a man and woman to share and produce new life which is one of the greatest gifts that can be asked for. I believe God wants us to satisfy and be satisfied with our partners in life. Enjoying sex with your partner can show how much love and passion you have for them that above all else you love them more than anything and if I could quote 1 Corinthians 13;13 “And these three remain Faith, Hope, and Love. But the greatest of these is Love”.
Report Post »Johann
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 11:49amThese nitwits show what is wrong with Christianity in America. The so called leaders and pastors are so invovled in the inane television culture that they try to relate everything in life to an Oprah show. What next will they sponsoring orgies for Christ or some other American invention. Americans have been destroying the Christian religion for years by pulling these ridiculous stunts. They really want their own reality show where they can strut their stuff and mouth on the sweet nothings that are the basis of the Americanized mindset. Marriage is considered by some Christians as a sacrament not a sideshow in a freak section of the circus. This couple ought to spend some time trying to figure out what Christianity is about and that it is a serious subject not a blurb on a reality show.
Report Post »ChiefGeorge
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 11:59amThere is some truth to what you are saying. They can convey their message on this topic within the walls of their church building for those who wish to come and hear that mesage. Doing it in the worldly way of doing things I do not think helps their cause but reduces it just out of appearance and lack of self respect. Lets not adopt the norms of todays society to preach the word of God. Preach the word of God just as it is written and make no excuses for it and don’t water it down for the sake of trying not to offend.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 12:03pmHi Chief.
They’re fully clothed, in fact, clothed for deep winter. That’s hardly provocative.
Unless you’re an Eskimo I guess, in which case I have no way of knowing, being as I’m not an Eskimo.
Report Post »Rational Man
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 12:07pmWhat should we expect from a guy who I’ve seen on TV, “preaching” with a Corvette parked on stage and sending a secular message out to anyone who will listen?
Report Post »Besides, romance in marriage is not just about sex. Yea, intimacy important. But as was mentioned, this is a ridiculous sideshow. Like this guys whole “ministry”.
smalls
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 12:09pmDid you even read the story or just the headline? These people are promoting a healthy sexual relationship within a marriage! Is that not ok? They are not doing anything physical but instead doing interviews and promoting their book on the subject. If more Christians were supporting healthy relationships and sex within a marriage maybe there would be less divorce within the church. As humans we are naturally physical. If your not gettting it at home your going to get it somewhere else. Or maybe we can just not talk about it and keep pretending that sex is a dirty nasty perverted act that only non believers participate in.
Report Post »DLG123
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 12:23pmThis is what you get when you have no central teaching authority. The spreading of the Gospel becomes whatever you want it to be. Now it has become a “sexperiment” with the pastor and his wife setting up their bedroom on top of their ecclecial building. And the the Nerve of the Pastor to say that sex is the “superglue” of the marriage. I always thought that God was the superglue of the marriage. The Secular progressive world is infecting every institution in this country.
Report Post »MoreCowbell
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 12:29pmWell said, Johann.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 12:31pmSoooo true!
Report Post »smalls
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 12:34pm“central teaching authority” AKA one world religion. Maybe we should have the govt tell us how to interpret the bible as well. Please.
Report Post »ChristmanWalking
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 1:00pmTo Johann:
Report Post »By your use of the word sacrament I will take it that you are Catholic…? I am not. But as a student of the word I suggest you look up your own churches words regarding the Sacrament of Matrimony. Here is just some of what Your Church says regarding it.
“By its very nature, conjugal love requires the inviolable fidelity of the spouses. This is the consequence of the GIFT OF THEMSELVES which they make to each other. Love seeks to be definitive; it cannot be an arrangement “until further notice.” The “intimate union of marriage, as a mutual giving of two persons, and the good of the children demand total fidelity from the spouses and require an unbreakable union between them.” it goes on to say…
“It can seem difficult, even impossible, to bind oneself for life to another human being. This makes it all the more important to proclaim the Good News that God loves us with a definitive and irrevocable love, that married couples share in this love, that it supports and sustains them, and that by their own faithfulness they can be witnesses to God’s faithful love. Spouses who with God’s grace GIVE THIS WITNESS OFTEN, in very difficult conditions, deserve the gratitude and support of the ecclesial community.”
These are the churches teachings on SEX!
Pleas Note: “…proclaim the Good News that God loves us with a definitive and irrevocable love, that married couples share in this love, that it supports and sustains them. Also, “Give this witness often”
maccow
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 1:26pmJust some thoughts I have on this subject. It seems like so many churches are trying to invite people to a Jesus party rather than the foot of the cross. In my understanding, if you think you are following the commands of Jesus, and the world is applauding you, and the way you are on seems wide, straight, cool, hip, crowded, popular, and easy; You may be on the wrong path. (Contrast Tebow coverage to this pair) This is just another sign of the times.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, [because] they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 2Timothy 4:3
“Enter by the narrow gate; for wide [is] the gate and broad [is] the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it.”Because narrow [is] the gate and difficult [is] the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it. Matthew 7:13-14
And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what [is] that good and acceptable and perfect will of God. Romans 12:12
“But as the days of Noah [were], so also will the coming of the Son of Man be”For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, Matthew 24:37-38
“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves”You will know them by their fruits…. Matthew 7:15-1
Report Post »maccow
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 1:42pmIn how many different ways does the world tell Christians to keep their faith to themselves, pray on your own time, keep the preaching at church, and yet sex of any nature, no matter how deviant, is perfectly acceptable for public discourse.
Report Post »What this pastor, and so many others like him are doing in this day is taking what should be the spotless bride of Christ (the church) and playing the prostitute with the world. Seems to me that the Father of the Bridegroom (God and Jesus if you aren’t following the analogy) will have something to say to the pimps when the wedding feast is prepared and the guests are called. At this point in the sermon, Jesus would often be using the line about much weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Just saying
ChristmanWalking
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 1:43pmWow MACCOW:
Report Post »I understand your point but, Christ Jesus completed something at the cross and rose from the grave and sits at the right hand of the Father.
He fulfilled the Law Through the Cross and now we get to Enjoy that Salvation.
If you you picture that the cross was the end then you are missing out.
God Bless
maccow
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 2:27pmChristmanwalking
There is limited word space here. If you read my other postings I hope you will find that my depth of understanding and appreciation for Christ runs as far and wide as high is to deep. I did not say the foot of the cross was a finish line. I said that some churches are using a Jesus party as a draw card to get people into their churches rather then the need for a savior bringing them to the foot of the cross. Here is the very short version of what I am talking about in far better words than my own.
Psalm 19:7 the law of the LORD [is] perfect, converting the soul.
Romans 3:20 because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin [is] death,
Romans 7:24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?
Romans 5:8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Isaiah 53:5 But He [was] wounded for our transgressions, [He was] bruised for our iniquities; The chastisement for our peace [was] upon Him, And by His stripes we are healed.
John 6:40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore, if anyone [is] in Christ, [he is] a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.
That verses have sex for seven days.
Report Post »PF
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 4:23pmJohann, it is that “inane TV culture” that has hijacked sex and twisted it into an “anything goes, whatever feels good” mentality. And for decades churches have watched this in silence. It is time for people of faith to speak out and talk about what God says about sex in His own words. This pastor is attempting to cut through the very “reality show” views on sex this nation has come to embrace and remind us that sex is God given for a man and a women who are married. Marriages are crumbling at the alarming rate because we have strayed from this. America has strayed from God’s path for us. This pastor is speaking out in a relevant way that people will stop and notice. People will hear his message and maybe, just maybe some will listen. He is doing God’s work and you are mocking that. Be careful in your righteous condemnation that it does not come back to you.
Report Post »maccow
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 6:18pmPF
Report Post »You speak of “inane TV culture”, “anything goes, whatever feels good”, “reality show views on sex”, as causes for marriages crumbling and America straying. Then in your righteous condemnation you mock those who point out that this pastor is using these same tactics so that, your words, some may listen.
If you read my previous posts closely I am trying to make the point, though rather lengthy and still not complete, that the Word of God is a far more sufficient method then a tweet from your bed on the church roof.
In my travels I have heard the sermons in many different churches. Few are the shining examples of the word of God being the primary purpose of the church over the show on stage. The new believer entering todays churches is far more likely to get a man centered gospel of peace, love, joy, fulfillment, and lasting happiness, rather than the true gospel of salvation. This article and the others like it that the blaze has exposed us to our examples of this End of Days problem.
Watered down milk which is luke warm and spit out, aka Laodicea.
God keep and bless you
gary-drumm
Posted on January 18, 2012 at 11:35amWhat is the primary unit of human development outside of the self? The family. What is the family largely made up of? A husband and wife. What is necessary for a relationship to not only survive but thrive? Intimacy. The ultimate expression and experience of intimacy is sex. If intimacy breaks down, then the couple breaks down, followed by the family, then the community, including the church, and ultimately the nation.
The truth is couples don’t stay together huddled in the corner praying to Jesus all day, nor should they. You have to do something to keep a relationship alive and one of those things we do, while we’re physically able, is have sex. I think people need to grow up about this topic and stop being so prudish about it.
Report Post »VerySeniorCitizen
Posted on January 18, 2012 at 8:27pm@GHOSTOFJEFFERSON Are you aware thatthe ancient customs of the eskimos is that the ‘man of the igloo’ would share his wife with any male guest who visited the couple’s home?? Is that OK? Sex keeps the marriage together – even when the wife is on loan to the guest!
Report Post »neverending
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 11:47amJust more of the churchianity clowns which is probably headed up by osteen. What a pathetic bunch. He excels in this garbage.
Report Post »MoreCowbell
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 12:29pmI agree.
Report Post »NILAP
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 11:39amIf they can do this on water withoug sinking I will be impressed (water beds excluded). That would top walking on water.
Report Post »MoreCowbell
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 12:34pmNilap…I see what you did there..Palin, backwards. And then you made the Rules for Radicals your icon image. Ohh…you really are a radical. And then you made a dumb comment proving how radical you are by making fun of Christianity. Why don‘t you do some homework and find out what’s really radical. How about someone dying to save you from an eternal hell even though you don’t deserve it. Now that’s radical. Your just pathetically mainstream. ho hum. Next?
Report Post »scuba13
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 1:41pmHow about 100 ft. under water, i am all for that.
Report Post »kickagrandma
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 11:38amGlad I don’t attend their “church”. It certainly isn‘t God’s church, that much is obvious.
How stupid can we get?
I, for one, am absolutely disgusted. It‘s a really good thing I’m not on God’s hit squad `cause I’d deck these two at a most inopportune moment.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 11:43amYeah, two married people sitting on top of a church, doing nothing untoward or wrong, inciting married couples to share intimacy as God intended, for unity and love (as well as procreation). Why, the very thought! Sex should be a dirty habit looked upon with disdain and engaged in only to make the requisite babies, and then left in the dustbin for the rest of the marriage!
You have to be kidding me, grandma.
Report Post »JQCitizen
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 12:11pmKick:
I couldn’t agree with you more. WHAT in the world are they thinking? This is something that should be handled in a small class setting, or better yet, a private counselling setting.
They are just trying to have mass appeal, or make a name for themselves as some BROAD-MINDED church; – this is NOT the purpose for which Christ started the local church. They are making a spectacle of the church for their own agrandizement (spelling?):(
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 12:15pmRight, because the message of God should be restricted to small audiences. That’s why Jesus sold only 10 tickets to the Sermon on the Mount, to keep it small.
Report Post »MoreCowbell
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 12:41pmGrandma- right on point.
Report Post »GhostofJ- you don’t understand. We put God and things of God much higher than the world. We are in the world but we (as Christians) aren’t supposed to be like it. Christian = Christ follower. This so-called “pastor” is acting like the heathen he is supposed to be sheparding. He’s no shepard…he’s a goat herder and you, well, do the math.
trolltrainer
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 12:48pmmorecowbell,
why? What has this pastor done? Did you actually read the article?
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 12:55pmSo one should not focus on one’s spouse then, as he/she is of the world as well, except insofar as to entreat him/her to kneel and give up worldly thoughts?
Seems a poor way to go forth and multiply to me, but what do I know?
Report Post »SonOfThunder
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 5:38pmAnother prosperity church! This guy Ed Young is a fake and a false teacher. Shame on him. There is no Gospel taught in his church.
Report Post »jeffersonian1776
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 10:47pmYou said it Ghost, I have a relative who has been married for 37 years now and their kids are grown and out of the house. My mother told me about 10 years ago that he hasn’t touched her in four years previous. I feel bad for her, hell, that’s going on 14 years now without any, I mean ANY, physical affection! The problem is one day he decided to become “Holy” and now that she has bore him his children sex for any other reason than procreation is pure and absolute sin. Kissing only leads to sex so that doesn’t happen either. It is really sad, i feel for her. And get this, he is so incredibly Holy now divorce is also a sin. She can’t get out of it because she is so afraid that her kids will hate her and some of the rest of the family might look down on her for having a divorce. Some of us have tried to tell her to just leave him and find someone who will make her happy. I guess we are complicit in sin now because she does have a boyfriend that he doesn’t know about. Seriously, the guy actually gives more physical affection to his dogs, and that is no lie. Obviously, some people here think that this is the proper marriage. That is sad. Some may even believe that those desires she has had to fight off, for years now, for him to show her an inkling of physical affection is God’s way of testing her strength.
Report Post »LOJ
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 11:34amFalse Apostacy….This totally turns most of us off….A Marriage union between a man and a woman is sacred and special and should be in the privacy of ones home…not broadcast to the world….Sickos.
Report Post »rednrusty
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 11:40amamen and amen……keep it ALL in the bed rooms…FREAKS!!!!
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 11:47amThey weren’t doing anything though. Did you miss that part? They were only preaching about keeping marriages alive in the intimacy department, they weren’t actually having sex. Did you read the article, or just the headline?
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 12:00pmYeah Ghost, they missed that part. Most of these people do not read beyond the headlines.
Report Post »Sail Away
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 12:00pm@GHOSTOFJEFFERSON, I admire your spunk and I agree with you, but some unfortunately have the mind set that sex is somehow an obligation, for only procreation or wrong. I don’t get it either…..but keep up the good fight!
Report Post »ChiefGeorge
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 12:04pmI think we can see they have atleast not enough sense not to openly have sex on the roof top of their church, but the mere appearance of a bed on top of Gods sanctuary is not gospel or biblical. There is nothing wrong with preaching sex between married couples, Christians or not. But the appearance of them on the roof of their own church preaching this message sends the wrong signals. Especially to the young who don’t want to even begin to think of their parents engaging in sex. Can you say They turned their own church into a Mockery? Yes I think they kinda did.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 12:10pmYeah Chief, the last thing you want kids to learn about intimacy is that it should be a happy, joyous event shared between two people in a marriage. What a mockery.
God’s house is everywhere, last check. If you simply object to the form of the sermon and not the content, that’s fine, but I’ve seen your other post(s) on this thread and have my doubts it’s simply about the form.
Report Post »smalls
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 12:13pmThank you ghost for beating me to it. Read the story people!
Report Post »MoreCowbell
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 12:56pm@GHOSTOFJEFFERSON- I read the whole story, here and other places. We get it. But you don’t sex is a private thing. If a pastor is talking about it, it should be done in counseling or a class that his congregation would sign up for. Not on the roof of a church. This brings God low and God is supposed to be glorified and praised. This makes Christianity look stupid and foolish and worldly. I read the whole artical and understood it because I read my bible and understood that first. People who say they are Christians, being like sheep who follow a shepard, and then bash people who disagree with this goat herder may, in fact, not be the sheep they thought they were. I’m just sayin.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 1:18pm@More
Given your post, I have to assume that when a priest talks about extra-marital sex, or homosexuality, or affairs within marriage, he should also keep that to private counseling sessions as well? It’s a private thing after all, right?
God surely didn’t keep sex a whisper in a closet, as I’m reading the Bible, but hey, I’m just some guy on the internet. Keep it quiet and private and let everybody continue down the path of neglecting their spouse and being un Christianly selfish (as witnessed by divorce statistics).
Report Post »MoreCowbell
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 10:05pm@GhostOfJefferson says:
“Given your post, I have to assume that when a priest talks about extra-marital sex, or homosexuality, or affairs within marriage, he should also keep that to private counseling sessions as well? It’s a private thing after all, right?”
Um…yes. Why on earth should he be talking about that in the pulpit? I don‘t want to hear it when I’m in church with my children. I want him to explain the scriptures. I want him to practice exegesis, drawing out truth from Gods word. If that means explaining it in context of marriage there are lofty ways of doing that. (Listen to John MacArthur of Grace to You ministry).
And you seem hung up on the whole “Christians get divorced so therefore Christianity isn’t true” false premise. Guess what? Christians write bad checks, swear, cheat, lie and steal, too. No one is good. No. Not one. We all sin. We all fall short of God’s glory. That’s why Jesus came here. While we were yet sinners He died to save us from them. The penalty of sin is death. But Jesus conquered death. For all who will come to him in repentance (turning from sin) and faith in him that he is the savior. We need to repent daily. You sin every day. God will save you if you come to him.
Report Post »maccow
Posted on January 18, 2012 at 12:29am@Smalls, @Ghost, @Troll
Report Post »Get over yourselves with the “You should read the whole article” stuff. Believe it or not, thinking, intelligent, rational people can come to a different view then yours concerning these issues, AND have read the whole article. The puritanical prudes you seem to want to paint Christians as, says more about your view of Christians than anything else. And yes I realize that one or all three of you probably consider yourselves Christians. Learning to graciously accept that good people can think and feel differently then you on a subject might help make your postings a little less toxic. Arrogant condescension minimizes any argument that follows and anyone so small that they have to climb onto their high horse to talk down to the peons below loses the argument right off the bat.
maccow
Posted on January 18, 2012 at 12:45am@Ghoost
Report Post »You seem to be an intelligent reasoned person. Do you have to take the occasion of every post to toss out something another poster didn’t say in order to make some snarky point? As brilliant as I am sure you are, this tactic of your doesn’t really add to the discourse, or make your point any stronger.
But who am I to say right? When I re-read them, I find my own posts disappointing most of the times.
Sail Away
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 11:34amAs Christians we tell our teenagers/kids to stay pure. We tell them that sex is reserved for marriage. BUT what example do we give them that staying pure is worth it??? Do they see an exhausted bickering non loving, non intimate set of parents?? OR do they see a physical, loving married couple that are not afraid to tell them that sex is AWESOME and wonderful in marriage. I may not agree with the show boating of this particular ministry but I do agree with the message. The Song Of Solomon is an entire book of intimacy and sex. I know many have taught it metaphorically….I disagree. SEX is throughout the entire Old Testament and parts of the New…..And yes the world perverts everything…..but I let my teenage girls know that I love, love, love their dad and our intimacy is OFF the CHARTS because of TRUST, CHRIST and LOVE. Even after 21 years the sex is still HOT! Sorry to ruffle the religious feathers out there….but if you are going to preach abstinence you better be prepared to explain the benefits. :)
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 11:36amGood post! Amen.
Report Post »Stoic one
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 11:47amYou said that very well! thank you
Report Post »AmericanBumpkin
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 12:08pmthumbs up to Sail Away.
Report Post »this is how sex should be aproached when dealing with teens, i wish someone like you had spoken at my schools when sex ed was being taught… instead of the “sex is sin, do it and you’ll burn in hell” sermons. people tend to forget that God’s first commandment was “go forth and multiply” and fall short of explainations to the hows and whys of life.
ChristmanWalking
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 12:33pm@Sail Away
Report Post »Dead On!
To those of you who may not agree 100% in how these pastors presented this, I can understand, But, To those of you using scripture or religious church speak to attack them, you need to check your bibles and also your scares and maybe get some good Christian Intimacy counseling.
I’ve been a minister for 30+ years and now at 49 years old I love the intimacy my wife and I have. We don’t throw our sex life in our 16 year old daughters face but she knows we have our private times and she sees her father, even after 22 years of marriage, Flirt and Compliment her Mother EVERY DAY!
I am giving my daughter a vision of what she should expect when she starts looking for a man.
Also: TO ALL THOSE OF YOU WITH PICKLED FACES REGARDING THIS SUBJECT… YES SEX!
Red your bible with your spouse, the parts that speak of Sex in marriage, and then Have Some!
If you loosen up that pickled face and just hold your spouse for 10 minutes and tell them you love them, you will be surprised how intimacy will happen.
My prayers are for you eyes to be opened to just how Beautiful Sex Really Is In Marriage!
God Bless
trolltrainer
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 12:46pmChristmanwalking wrote:
“To those of you who may not agree 100% in how these pastors presented this, I can understand, But, To those of you using scripture or religious church speak to attack them, you need to check your bibles and also your scares and maybe get some good Christian Intimacy counseling.”
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Yes! I am not making any statement on this pastor and his wife or their church as I do not know anything about them. Am I “comfortable” with this kind of promotion? Not so much…
However, I see much hatred from people who profess Christ. Most did not even read the article. Others simply display a pompous, self-righteous, legalistic arrogance that bears witness of their own fruit. Check your own walks before commenting on others!
Report Post »ChristmanWalking
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 1:33pmTrolltrainer: I’m on your side by what I read in your posts. I was not attacking Anyone, just pointing out that those who attack without reading the article probably couldn’t get past the word Sexperimant because of passed hurts.
Report Post »If I misspoke or did not make myself plain I am sorry.
I want healing for the many who have been taught, by abuse or even religion , that sex is dirty.
Again, sorry if I didn’t make myself plain.
JQCitizen
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 3:23pmSail Away:
So, are those the only two choices; Being exhausted, and bickering; or sitting on a rooftop, making them wonder how you could make love in a winter coat, with a video camera shooting it, and talking on Twitter and Facebook to boot?
Comm’on, our teens aren’t that STUPID! They don’t witness our sex-life; They witness our everyday life. And, yes, sometimes by our everyday life they might deduce that not too much is going on in the bedroom. Is that any reason why they would better listen to two idiots on a church roof, in a bed, wearing winter coats.
I can guarantee that if that was me on the roof, my teenagers would have not talked with me about ANYTHING for a VERY LONG TIME, let alone SEX!!!
Report Post »sawbuck
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 11:31amI think this pastor is looking for some kind of shock value headlines.
Report Post »He would do more good, explaining what the Word of God says about sex inside marriage and the moral dangers , that you expose yourself to , outside of marriage . I don’t think a seven day marathon is a requirement to re-kindle ones marriage .
Young newlyweds that are still in their honeymoon stage , don’t even have to be asked to do this. Someone my age ….I would have to take out maybe a special life insurance policy.
GhostOfJefferson
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 11:46amThere are people between the ages of 20 and your advanced age, that maybe perhaps would like to continue with loving sexual intimacy in their marriage. Sometimes you have to examine the world outside of your own perspective.
Report Post »smalls
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 12:17pmI doubt that this pastor had any influence on the choice words that the editors at the blaze chose. Please get a clue.
Report Post »sawbuck
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 1:20pmOk let me say it this way..
They are trying to drum up sales of their book by posing in a bed on top of a rooftop.. And clearly don’t know what they are talking about.
I’ll save you the Money…
Here’s the secret to a long love filled marriage..!
And if a seven day sex marathon , is what you need to hold your marriage together ..you should be seeing a marriage counselor ….
When you get a little older you will find out.. Making love is great . ..But the love you have for each other ,is what MAKES it great …..The “ACT” of “making love”… is just a bonus..!!
And if you don’t understand that… you better find a clue..!
Report Post »SpaceRaider
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 11:30amDoing it that much shows lack of restraint. Just another reminder of why I stopped going to “church.” These are vipers, I’d assume they also promote the belief that you can become God like as well. I don’t hate people like this but do see them as much of a threat as radical Islam. The kind of people that would blindly work with the government.
Report Post »castle.the.schmuck
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 11:30amThey look like a couple of schmucks.
Report Post »Kiba
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 11:27amTypical fruit-cake fanatics. Fools like this are found in every aspect of life and it wouldnt surprise me if they are far-left loons just wanting to diss christian beliefs. Prolly on the Soros payroll.
Report Post »caligulaboy
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 11:24amStraight up stupid!! Trying to sell a book. Massive church!! Tax free rip off!! Money from (and for) the invisible guy in the sky.
Report Post »Firefighter 538
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 11:24amYou can’t “Save” them if you can’t get them in the pews. If you need to sleep on the roof of the church or talk about sex from the pulpit to bring them in, then do it! The naysayers will have their day one way or the other.
Report Post »MoreCowbell
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 10:31pm@FIREFIGHTER 538 says: “You can’t “Save” them if you can’t get them in the pews. If you need to sleep on the roof of the church or talk about sex from the pulpit to bring them in, then do it! The naysayers will have their day one way or the other.”
WRONG!!!
Report Post »Pastors don’t save. Churches don’t save. Christians don’t save. Only Jesus can do that. You have to hear and respond rightly to the gospel. And by that I mean repent from your sins (ask for forgiveness and turn from them) and then have faith in Jesus that He is who the bible says he is (read the book of John) and that he died to save you from your sins, while knowing that you were going to commit them. Then you can go to a real church. Church is for Christians. We don’t want a bunch of goats coming in to be entertained by idiots like this so-called “pastor”. We go to church to praise and worship Christ the Lord. Oh, sure, heathens are welcome to come to church–that is, the unsaved, if they really want to hear the gospel, but if they don’t want to be part of the body of Christ, then they just don’t belong there. Why cast pearls before swine?
Pat Alexander
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 11:22amOnly 7 days ???
Report Post »AmericanBumpkin
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 3:56pmright? i was dissapointed to read that too ^_~
Report Post »gperky
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 11:19amI agree that sex is a very important part of a marriage and is the glue that helps keep a marriage together and working. However, I don’t think that a CHURCH is the place to get your sex advice. The world today is consumed with sex. It is on every channel and almost every show shows or references sex. Then we sit back and wonder why our children get in trouble. Parents need to be parents and churches need to be churches.
Report Post »An_American_Thinker
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 11:34amMy mother taught me that sex was a beautiful gift shared between a husband and wife. As an adjunct to parenting, I would much rather have this healthy view of sex reinforced in church, than the unrestrained, free-for-all sex being touted in public schools sex ed. The sex ed. many of our kids receive in school is “Clintonesque” leading young teens to not view oral sex as sex-also leading to an explosion in std’s.
Report Post »Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 11:39amAgreed. What goes on behind doors is no one else’s business and definitely not something to be brought out in church. You are there to worship and praise God, not to analyze marriages and praise yourselves.
Report Post »Freedom Trooper
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 11:46amAn issue is when people make Church central to their life, all you hear from church normally is Sex is Bad…. So how does that teach a couple that Sex is a great thing within marriage? most churches don’t and they alienate themselves because all they focus on is the bad rather then the good. So Churches probably should reevaluate what they teach about sex, or if they should even teach anything about it. You can’t teach about how terrible it is, without also emphasizing how wonderful it is within marriage. And churches tend to fail epically on that point.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 11:49amIf sexual discussions had no place in church, then surely the Bible never mentions sex, intimacy or any other topic, right?
Because you know, if it does (cough cough King Solomon cough cough) then I might urge you to re-examine your premise.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 11:54am@Freedom Trooper
Well put. You can immediately tell that a majority of thread posters, thus far, fall into the camp you speak of. The teaching of many churches regarding sexual intimacy within a marriage is in fact very, very lacking, just as you say, and again as you say, the “sex is eeeeeevil” message is omnipresent.
Such a shame, I doubt God gave us this wonderful capacity to be shared with a spouse in order for us to despise it, and in turn, end up despising our spouse because of it. That would make God a sadist, and that sir, He ain’t.
Report Post »Just_Us
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 12:18pmIf you don’t think church is where you go to get sex advice, then by default you recommend going outside the church to get it? Like where? A brothel? Have you ever picked up a bible in your life? Have you read Song of Solomon? Have you read Ephesians 5? Do you realize the rate of adultery and divorce inside the church is the same as outside the church? If you never teach young men and women about marriage are you expecting them to just know it? Is it OK to teach everything else the bible teaches but leave that part out? What else are you willing to leave out? When you fail to teach married people about marriage, you fail the Body of Christ. Sex is a part of marriage and it is not to be shunned or hidden. If biblical teaching about marriage makes you uncomfortable, perhaps you should look at your own beliefs first. The guy was not having sex in public, he was talking about it in public in the context of what a Godly marriage should be. How many of you who have commented on this thread are divorced, had an affair or are stuck in a sexless marriage? That’s a rhetorical question because I really dont want to know. Before you start casting stones, perhaps you should read the entire story first, then read your bible and come up with a scriptural reason why this was wrong. If you are not being the husband or wife God calls you to be, then I can understand why this would make you uncomfortable. It is never comfortable when sin is exposed.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 12:26pm@Just_Us
” If you are not being the husband or wife God calls you to be, then I can understand why this would make you uncomfortable. It is never comfortable when sin is exposed.”
Perfectly stated. As others have mentioned, the divorce rate in the church is the same as the national average, which is abysmal. The reason most give is a lack of intimacy (or constant arguments over finances).
Report Post »shiftingcargo
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 12:40pmYou are so right GPERKY, Church is no place to get information on sex. It should be gotten in the gutter. The gutter is the only place we can get the information we need to really understand and appreciate the importance and relevance sex has in a loving relationship. The church, any church, has no business talking about loving realtionships.
Report Post »SueZQT
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 1:20pmGhost-I was just thinking same thing: “Song of Solomon”, as I read all these posts. Sex and intimacy must be addressed in the church:
Report Post »a). To the youth to give them the biblical perspective and perhaps save them from a world of heartache.
b). To the married-young and old to help strengthen and bond marriages in this age of disposable relationships.
I see nothing wrong with how they are conveying their message. It does seem to be part of the whole “reality” TV kind of shtick–I personally can’t stomach any of the reality families…Christian or not…but to each his own. If God uses it then great!
MoreCowbell
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 10:34pm@GPERKY, You are right. I agree!
Report Post »Firefighter 538
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 11:18amSomeone forgot to tell my wife about this :)
Report Post »CatB
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 11:29amLOL . I worked for community mental health for a time … and we had one client who somehow got on the roof of the library downtown in the middle of the night … stripped off her clothes and was “waiting for Santa Claus” … and it wasn’t even Christmas .. but it was cold and in a northern state.
Report Post »circleDwagons
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 11:51amthat’s your job, you could always take her to church and ask to use their roof
Report Post »Jude 4
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 11:12amThese people are shameless representatives of the anti-christ, not the Jesus of the bible. Modesty alone is enough to condemn this type of perversion. If they are a covenant marriage, their intimacy is commanded by scripture. The public display of what belongs only to a man and his wife, is sellacious and unbecoming the true gosple. These are flesh pleasing false prophets. They promise people liberty, while they themselves are “slaves of corruption.” Without repentance, they will receive “the greater condemnation.”
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 11:23amTry reading the article Church Lady. There is nothing wrong with sex within marriage and it is the glue that holds the marriage together. It is the two cleaving and becoming one and is the entire foundation of the family unit. If the sexual relationship in a marriage is troubled then the marriage is at great risk. So also is the couple’s individual walks with God. Likewise, a strong relationship with Christ will ensure the couple is sensitive to each other’s needs and wants. A good sexual relationship will be the result.
No…Nothing wrong here. At least if you go beyond the headline. They are not having sex on the rooftop.
Report Post »rednrusty
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 11:43amamen,i do agree
Report Post »The Jewish Avenger
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 11:11amMost married men would faint if they had marital sex after one day let alone seven.
Report Post »USAMEDIC3008
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 11:27amI got my first wife ,May 1977
And when I was young and in my prime.
We use to do it all the time,
But now I’m old and turning gray,
We only do it for half a day.
One wife,Two kids,no abortions
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 11:52amReally? Are you kidding me? Perhaps you should remind yourself that your own limitations, are not those of others.
Report Post »SueZQT
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 1:36pmUSAMEDIC-
Lol!! That’s funny…let’s make it a limerick (albeit a lame one and a year late…):
We married in ‘77
It was a piece of heaven
We’re older and grey
But that is okay
We’re as hot in 2011.
Have a good day :)
Report Post »USAMEDIC3008
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 3:00pmI like it SUEZQT………………..
Report Post »china clipper
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 11:08amIt’s amazing there are people dumb enough to go to this church.
Report Post »USPATRIOT101
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 11:15amEveryone thought it was cool when Jon and oko did it. Now because a christian does it, it’s now taboo.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 11:56amYeah, it takes really stupid people to go to a church that discusses, briefly, the idea that marital intimacy is a good, healthy thing that one should enjoy with one’s spouse. Better to go to the smart people’s church where all sexual intimacy is looked upon as a nasty, disgusting habit to be restrained and controlled and put down.
Report Post »SueZQT
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 1:46pmYeah–the church addressing healthy sexual realtionships in marriage–reeediculous! You should learn all that stuff from MTV and late night sitcoms.
Report Post »singleparent
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 11:08amThe church should stick to God stay out of the bedroom… So you still want to know why America is falling this is why…
Report Post »Just A Private
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 11:51amSomebody advocates sex in marriage and this is the reason America is falling?
Report Post »Just_Us
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 12:24pmDid God never enter your bedroom? Did God not invent sex and make it pleasurable? Have you not read Song of Solomon? Have you ever thought about why you are single?
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 11:08amEVERY day for 7 days? Sheesh…
Okay…A man must do what a man must do…
Report Post »Conservative New Yorker
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 11:10amSpoken like a true man… LOL Too funny!
Report Post »Komponist-ZAH
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 7:19pmJust keep reminding yourself that it’s good for the prostate. ;)
Report Post »dealer@678
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 11:08amThis isnt the first time this pastor has done stupid stuff like this.
Report Post »Detroit paperboy
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 11:07amI have sex every day period….. But then again my girlfriend is 22 years younger than me …. So, you know…. Young hotties, natures Viagra ; ))…
Report Post »singleparent
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 11:29amWell atleast your not an old pervert oh wait sounds like you are sry bout dat CREEP…Old guys marrying youg girls is sick not a fan at all….
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 11:59am@SingleParent
You are aware that throughout history, up until the beginning to early 20th century, men almost always took a wife far younger than they were, right? Or if they took one their age, she would many times die in childbirth (lacking medical care) and he’d then take on a much younger wife? How is the historical trend of the last 20,000 years, minus the last 80 or so, somehow sick, pray tell?
Report Post »Detroit paperboy
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 1:17pm@singleparent
Report Post »Your just jealous and probaly the reason your single ; )) and yes im a pervert, and so is my hot young girlfriend….sounds like you need a young hottie tooooo….
TRUTHSENSE
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 1:44pmWell, why not? Mohammad married a nine year old. If we are going to use John Lennon and Yoko Ono as good Christian examples, why not use Mohammad?
Report Post »AmericanBumpkin
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 3:20pm@singleparent parents arranged marriages for their children for thousands of years, most of the time to bring money into the family or to settle fueds. 12yr old girls were married off to men between the ages of 22(if they were lucky) to mid forties, sometimes older. it was the norm, and acceptable.
Report Post »be happy your parents didnt marry you off to some 80+ old man who would be forced to live with you until he died.
people were made to find a partner and have sex, cuz if we didnt we couldmt “go forth and multiply”. you hens that cluck and titter after reading the headline without reading the article are waaaay more perverse than these two happily married people who want to reach out to the youth of today, as someone they can trust, and give them a safe buffer to go to when they have questions.
i dont know about the rest of you, but i thank god and call his name every time i make love.
wouldnt you? XD
christianity has become too much of a hate group, the “church” and its rules have become more of a god than God himself in our communities. and these people are demonized for spreading the message? really? i dont remember anyone living on this planet today who has been given the authority to condem others by god. i think too many people are looking in the mirror and see themselves as godly, instead of a flawed representation of god. especially those of you who would kill your fellow man over the bible.shame on you.
rambosharley
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 11:06amDid they just figure out that sex was an important part of marriage! What the he!!!
Report Post »Kirsten
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 6:59pmMy thoughts exactly!
Report Post »USAMEDIC3008
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 11:04amSix days , need to rest on the seventh.
Report Post »Then start again.