Pastor Hopes Christians Will Celebrate ‘Jesus Ween’ Instead of Halloween
- Posted on October 8, 2011 at 11:43am by
Billy Hallowell
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Halloween is a celebratory time during which children (and sometimes even adults) dress up in costume, go door-to-door and subsequently eat a plethora of candy.
But while the holiday is looked at by many as a fun-filled celebration, others view it through a more negative lens. Enter “Jesus Ween,” an alternative, Christian movement that seeks to put a more positive spin in Halloween.
Now, by relying only on the Jesus Ween web site, it’s somewhat difficult to pinpoint exactly what the group hopes to accomplish. On the site, a description reads:
Jesus Ween is a non for Profit Organisation also known as JesusWin. We are focused on helping people live a better life. We educate people on how best to relate with non for profit organisations that publish devotionals, daily bread and Bibles. We also focused on helping people feel comfortable with volunteering with institutions that help the poor. Throughout the year and especially from October 31st till November 15th we hold several seminars on various helpful topics.
Sort of a vague description, no? The following video, posted on the group’s YouTube page, does a much better job summing up Jesus Ween’s goals:
The group is very active on Facebook and Twitter, where it encourages Christians to distribute books and Bible-based literature on Halloween. Below, see a picture that was posted on Facebook, which also provides an overview regarding what celebrating Jesus Ween entails:
Gawker’s Seth Abramovitch reached out to the man behind the movement, Pastor Paul Ade. Ade, who apparently runs a church in Calgary, Canada, created Jesus Ween as an alternative to Halloween. Abramovitch asked the pastor why he opposes the holiday so much and Ade’s response was as follows:
“I think it‘s an activity that doesn’t have anything to do with Christians. And I think many Christian families are not knowledgeable to what it’s all about. Halloween is not consistent with the Christian faith. Many people say they feel uncomfortable on that day. We think people should choose an alternative activity.”
Below, see a screen shot from the group’s Facebook page, which showcases some of the examples of alternative activities that Christians who wish to celebrate Jesus Ween may partake in (already, the group has more than 2,000 likes on the social media platform):
Pastor Ade’s take on Halloween may seen a bit odd to some, but for select Christian denominations, the holiday is viewed as being too rooted in the occult. So, churches who find it offensive often hold alternative events on October 31 each year.
These alternative celebrations, which generally include candy, games and the like, place a focus on the more positive elements of spirituality.
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godlovinmom
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 1:08pmYou do not mix Christ with satan, and that includes holidays…The catholic church started christmas on December 25th, the pagan sun god’s birthday… so the church could be of one accord…most holidays are just christianized heathenism…for me…the origins of these holidays are very improtant…especially holloween…we might change, but God doesn’t…so my family does not participate in holloween, christmas, easter, (a bunny for Christ resurrection, ya right)…but we have thanksgiving and that’s our big holliday…you know giving thanks for all we have…plenty of days to celebrate through out the year, you don’t have to mix our Saviour with any of this nonsense.
Report Post »Lucy Larue
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 2:08pmGODLOVINMOM,
Oh PUHLEEZE get over yourself!
Childhood is short. It’s even shorter nowadays as far as the joy and the magic go.
What holiday is more magical for children than Christmas? It is a holiday of loving and giving. That was the essence of Jesus. That was his message. “God IS Love”.
Christmas is the perfect holiday. It combines the joy, the wonder, and the MIRACLE of Jesus’s birth with the magic of Santa Claus. The one does not exclude the other.
The belief in BOTH encourages the child’s spirit to grow. It is needed
ALL of the holidays are needed. Why cannot the Easter Bunny bring a small child a basket and still have the child be told of the sacrifice of the cross? Why cannot a child don a costume and a treat bag and go from house to house getting treats? They do not care nor do they need to know that it is “PAGAN!
You “LET” your children celebrate Thanksgiving. That’s fine. But you deny your children the wonder and magic of other Christian holidays. That is sad.
You are killing the spark that inspires the creativity and invention of Adulthood.
You do not realize that you are the same as the “Nanny” Progressives who take the prize from the Crackerjack Box and the Happy Meal.
You should read Dickens “The Christmas Carol” along with your bible.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 2:16pmLucy,
With all due respect, those are HER beliefs and who are YOU to tell her how to live or raise her kids? I disagree with her about Christmas, but even more strongly about Resurrection Day! How can you NOT celebrate Christ rising from the dead? But again, it is her business and not mine.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 2:26pm@Lucy
How foolish you are.
Every aspect of Christmas is Pagan.
Every aspect of Halloween is Pagan.
Everyday for believers in Christ Jesus is a loving day. Love is a verb silly….We serve others, it is what we do and Jesus’s message. Jesus’s message was also not to worship like Pagans…..
We who believe in God and Jesus Christ do not need Pagan special magic to “feel” good or be “adult”.
MomPrayin is teaching her children HONESTY to themselves, how to worship God and discipline in following God, while you teach your kids pagan worship, magic and lies. Who will be better adults again?
Enjoy your pagan festivals all you like. Learn to be honest about them as well. To your own self be true…..
Have a great day!
Report Post »godlovinmom
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 2:41pmLucy……I believe in God…I believe in God’s ways…I bring my children up to believe in God…so I’m gonna confuse them, by lying to them…don’t think so…if I was living for this world, I would have to agree with you…but I’m not…and who says my children suffer from not celebrating these holidays…they do not…for instance…we give presents out on thanksgiving…for their birthdays, we do costume parties…so by not participating in these pagan holidays..I bring glory to God and investing in my children’s eternity….so who loves their children more, someone who tries to teach the truth or someone who lies to them throughout their childhood?
Report Post »MEGIRL
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 2:53pmAgree Godlovinmom, I did research on these holidays-NOT Holy Days. Look at what days Jesus celebrated, What feasts are mentioned in the Bible. These other holidays are things the church made up so Pagans would “convert” more easliy. He also kept the 4th commandment- Remember the Sabbath. It can be hard (I have 2 young boys) but I want to focus on pleasing God.
Report Post »godlovinmom
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 3:09pmRight on MeGirl….the truth is never a bad thing..and I know exactly where you are coming from..it was HARD to give up christmas…my flesh was in the way…and the kids…well they see every one else doing it…so it was hard for them…thats why I strived to make life fun for them on Thanksgiving and their birthdays. May God’s grace shine on you and your family!
Report Post »YoungConservativesRule
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 3:10pmHolidays = Holy Days…. kay?
Report Post »cmnr0912
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 3:13pmWe so agree with you, Godlovinmom, Okie, MeGirl and others who are seeing the truth about the “christianization” of these pagan holidays. Just because something has always been “done this way” doesn’t make it right. The problem we are finding is that people will agree that these days have pagan origins, but it’s ok, since there (by the Catholic Church) have been christian attachments given to them. It’s like saying, yes the Christmas tree is pagan, but I don’t worship it. But how many of those same christians would place a statue of Buddha in their homes? After all they wouldn’t be worshipping it, right??? I wish we could get together with some of you like minded people, our families don‘t follow our beliefs and we don’t know that we can compromise with a church fellowship. We live in a very small town, so we haven’t found any options for fellowship and worhip yet.
Report Post »godlovinmom
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 3:27pmWhere two to three meet in his name…that is fellowship…I too live in a small town and find organized religion a falsehood, with all their false doctrine..which Jesus told us to watch out for…My extended family also thinks we are wierd for not celebrating these holidays…Though our salvation is not based on our works, this will be one crown I can lay at Jesus’s feet!..It is refreshing to find like minded people…I DO NOT put anyone down that does celebrate, they have to find their own convictions.
Report Post »godlovinmom
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 3:40pmIf anyone is interested in the origins of these holidays, please read the book, The Two Babylons…by Alexander Hislop. Good read!
Report Post »Lucy Larue
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 4:06pmChildren need wonder. Children need miracles. Children need magic.
Again I say that if you deprive them of these things because of “ADULT FACTS” then you are DOPPELGANGERS of the very progressives you rail against.
Children are capable of understanding the MIRACLE of Christ’s birth while still embracing the magic of Santa.
Report Post »THEY NEED BOTH!
godlovinmom
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 4:25pmLucy….why do you feel the need to knock someone because of how they believe and call them names???…you go ahead and lie to your kids…tell them all this is true and when they find it’s not true…who will they blame…I’ve seen this MANY times….for me and my household…we’ll worship God. They DON”T need both!
Report Post »Blacktooth
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 4:41pmLucy,
So in your mind it is the proper thing to do, to accept some lies if it makes the kids happy. It does not matter to you that God wants his followers ‘to worship him in spirit and truth’. A few lies here and there is just fine for you. To you, it does not matter what our Creator says and it is a foolish thing to tell the truth to your kids. Watch out, you are being led down a path of accepting silly traditions of men .
Report Post »Colossians 2:8
WeeDontNeedNoSteeeenkinBadges
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 4:47pmDON’T FALL FOR IT PEOPLE! We all have libraries and encyclopedias and Holy Bibles. Five minutes of research SHOWS the pagan roots and practices of these “holidays” UNCHANGED!
Jesus-Ween? This is EXACTLY how “Saturnalia” became “Christmas” — take a pagan celebration, change the “interpretation” of it’s symbols, and proclaim that “Christian”. Pathetic.
RATHER, follow what Jesus said and then you might be approved of God:
3 – He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition?
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7 – Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:
8 - ‘These people draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 - And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”
- Matthew 15:3, 7-9
Lucy Larue
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 4:49pmGODLOVINMOM,
They DO need both.
I am not calling you names. I am not mocking you.
I am simply an advocate for letting children have a “CHILDHOOD”.
Why should a child be denied the MAGIC of Santa Claus because YOU deem it wrong?Pagan? Why should a child not be able to take a little treat bag and be given candy by his neighbors because you deem it wrong? Pagan?Why should a child be denied a beautiful basket brought to him by the Easter Bunny because you deem it wrong? Pagan?
To me …,all of these that I mentioned are acts of love for our children. These acts inspire and help grow the capacity for love IN our children. Why can they not wait until later to learn the PAGAN aspects?
You give presents at THANKSGIVING? Hmmm….,and that is because YOU decided it was appropriate?
No Happy Meals, no Crackerjack Prizes, no Santa Claus, no Easter Bunny, no magic, no wonder, no nothin’. How sad.
Report Post »Lucy Larue
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 5:09pmOKIE FROM MUSKOGEE,
I am MANY things. Some good…,some bad…,but I am not foolish.
I advocate for children.
It has been my life experience to witness too many times children who are denied the magic and wonder of childhood because of God loving parents who strip them of it.
Sorry Okie. You cannot convince me that any seven year old child is learns to love God, and is better off, because they have to go to the Principal’s office and bide their time on the last day of school before Christmas vacation because why? Their parents cannot handle the idea of a “PAGAN” cupcake, a glass of “PAGAN” punch, and a piece of “PAGAN” candy.
Children are intelligent beings. Adults give them short shrift…,to include you!
Report Post »At Christmas they can handle both the MIRACLE of the Birth AND Santa.
godlovinmom
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 5:17pmApparently you haven’t been reading my comments…my children don’t miss out on anything…and I am striving to give them more than just a belief in this world…thank God this is America and we can do that, just as you have a choice on how you raise yours. Just for the record, you sound alot like me before I found the TRUTH for myself. As far as being confronted at school, my suggestion, homeschool. That way you can teach your child the way you see fit. Be ye seperate sayeth the Lord.
Report Post »Lucy Larue
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 5:36pmBLACKTOOTH,
Yes…,I AM a liar Blacktooth. I AM!
My children are long past the window of MAGIC and WONDER”. They are.
But when they were IN it.., I used it to the MAX!
I encouraged their belief in Santa,the little Drummer Boy, the “Big Bunny”, Rudolph, Frosty,Snoopy,the Headless Horseman, Tiny Tim, Anne of Green Gables, yadda, yadda, AND I too relayed the stories of Jesus’s birth in the manger,
Moses and the bulrushes,David and Goliath,Joseph and his coat of many colors,Sampson and Delilah,yadda, yadda. The one does NOT exclude the other.
Yeah..,I’m a big fat liar. You know what? I hope my children “LIE” to their children as much as I lied to them.
Report Post »TorahGirl16
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 5:39pmI have to agree with you godlovinmom and okie from muskogee. We shouldn’t be celebrating pagan festivals. Something I wish to point out is also the fact that part of the christian beliefs is that you aren’t supposed to lie. Parents punish their children for lying. I was punished for lying when I was little. So how come parents tell their children that things like Santa, the Easter Bunny, and Tooth Fairy are real, when the parents know these things aren’t real. Then the parents get all sad when their children grow up and realize these things were just fairy tales. By the way jay1975, the term “Trick or Treat” came from people who believed in Pagan Gods, and thought that if they didn’t leave sweets for the gods on their door step on the night of Halloween they would get a nasty trick played on them. If they did leave sweets pleasing to these gods, then they would get a treat. Doesn’t sound like a night of innocent fun to me. So many of you are right about these awful quote “HOLIDAYS”, but so many of you are wrong as well. Those of you that are wrong are the ones standing up and believing in these Pagan holidays. Everything that has been said against these holidays has historic proof, and all the Pagan holidays have to defend them is” It’s just innocent fun: and “Let the children have their fun”. What are you more like to believe”? Fact or Opinion? I mean if what I was taught in school is correct then opinion isn’t always correct, but fact is.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 5:40pm@Lucy
Foolish you are if you think teaching children to follow the world is ok. It is especially foolish if you claim to know God and teach such ways.
You show foolishness by thinking it is the cupcake, candy, or punch for my kids can have cupcakes, candy, and punch everyday if they ask for it and I say it is ok.
Cupcakes, candy and punch were added to appeal to children to entice them to partake in the Pagan festivals.
The lie of “it is for Jesus” is so you an adult will partake and justify partaking in Pagan Festivals.
Children are very smart and the sooner you teach them honesty, truth, and love for God the better they will be. If you lie to them, deceive them, and teach them Pagan ways they will mimic what they saw you do and what you taught them. They will lie to themselves like you do. They are intelligent, remember?
I advocate truth for children, not lies and deception. Truth is all those “holidays” are Pagan and believers in Christ are to follow Him which says do not worship like Pagans! Have a great day!
@GodlovinMom
I think I referred to you as momprayin in my post above. Sorry bout that. Stay safe!
Report Post »Lucy Larue
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 5:47pmTROLLTRAINER,
I said NOTHING about how Godlovinmom should raise her kids. NOTHING!
Trolltrainer…,you cannot be a moral relativist and a christian at the same time.
Why are you trying to do it?
I said that children need the magic of Christmas. it enhances their creativity.., and for that matter their sense of empathy.
Godlovinmom has stricken magic and wonder from her children’s lives because she deems it inappropriate(PAGAN). BUT she has decided that “THANKSGIVING” Gifts are totally fine and dandy.
Report Post »Hmmmm.
godlovinmom
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 5:54pmOkie…I saw that…it’s ok though, cuz I’m a momprayin too!…Now I’m off to have more non fun with my children and grandchildren…we’re going to a birthday party! ;0)
Report Post »DTOM_Jericho (Creator vindicator)
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 6:05pm@Lucy
I guess I am going to have to be the one to admonish you properly since everyone here is too nice. What these holidays mean to you is irrelevant. We don’t worship you and neither do your kids. What matters is what He said. And He told you quite clearly and permanently to never, ever, take pagan customs and claim to celebrate them towards Him He said quite clearly you are forbidden to do that and He hates that. There is no debate. It’s not about having your own convictions. It is clearly forbidden to mingle the practices of the gentiles(nations) with Yeshua’s(“jesus”) Word.
Deuteronomy 12:
28“Be careful to listen to all these words which I command you, so that it may be well with you and your sons after you forever, for you will be doing what is good and right in the sight of the LORD your God.
29“When the LORD your God cuts off before you the nations which you are going in to dispossess, and you dispossess them and dwell in their land, 30beware that you are not ensnared to follow them, after they are destroyed before you, and that you do not inquire after their gods, saying, ‘How do these nations serve their gods, that I also may do likewise?’ 31“You shall not behave thus toward the LORD your God, for every abominable act which the LORD hates they have done for their gods; for they even burn their sons and daughters in the fire to their gods.
The holidays you celebrate are the mark of the beast(rome).
Report Post »DTOM_Jericho (Creator vindicator)
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 6:11pmP.S. A blessed Yom Kippur to you all. Gmar Chatimah Tovah
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 6:26pmLucy writes:
TROLLTRAINER,
I said NOTHING about how Godlovinmom should raise her kids. NOTHING!
Trolltrainer…,you cannot be a moral relativist and a christian at the same time.
Why are you trying to do it?
I said that children need the magic of Christmas. it enhances their creativity.., and for that matter their sense of empathy.
Godlovinmom has stricken magic and wonder from her children’s lives because she deems it inappropriate(PAGAN). BUT she has decided that “THANKSGIVING” Gifts are totally fine and dandy.
Hmmmm.
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Lucy, you have now crapped throughout this first series. The more I read your posts the more I see how deluded you are. Who do you think you are telling others how to raise their children? READ THE BIBLE! Then hang your head in shame! I am not telling you how to raise your kids, if you want to lie to them that is your business. As for me, me and my family serve THE LORD! Not Santa Clause. My children grew up just fine as I am sure Godlovinmom’s will/have. BUTT OUT!
You said Godlovinmom was a doppelganger of the progressives? YOU BLOODY HYPOCRITE! Look what you are doing, trying to enforce YOUR values on our families. Wake up.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 6:29pmLucy writes:
“am simply an advocate for letting children have a “CHILDHOOD”.
Why should a child be denied the MAGIC of Santa Claus because YOU deem it wrong?Pagan? Why should a child not be able to take a little treat bag and be given candy by his neighbors because you deem it wrong? Pagan?Why should a child be denied a beautiful basket brought to him by the Easter Bunny because you deem it wrong? Pagan?”
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And before you go lying again trying to tell us you are not telling us how to raise our kids, here are your own words!
Why? Because they are OUR kids you fool!
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TXPilot
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 6:44pmSeems like a good idea, even if it does come with a rather corny name……Oh well, I might as well participate, since I had everything set for Halloween, including my awesome hippie costume…but now I’m just sad, because apparently now everyone is wearing hippie outfits…..kinda ruined my whole plan……Seriously, any person or organization these days, that is doing anything to fight against the tide of evil that is sweeping over our country has my support.
Report Post »Lucy Larue
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 7:28pmGODLOVINMOM,
Trust me. You’re children are missing out. They are.
Yeah…,what kid wouldn’t be thrilled to forego normalcy and receive“THANKSGIVING PRESENTS”.
Do you have a “Thanksgiving Tree”. Oh wait…,that’s probably PAGAN too. Non?
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 8:36pm@Lucy
It seems as the person you are trying to convince is yourself Lucy.
Why would anyone trust anything you say when it has just been shown you say opposite of what God says?
You are right though, all our kids are missing out, on PAGAN WORSHIP!!! That is it! I will say a pray for you Lucy. Enjoy your night!
Report Post »godlovinmom
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 8:42pmGeez…Lucy…lighten up…as a matter of fact the christmas tree is pagan…but you don’t want to know that do you Lucy…You are the type of person, if you don’t agree with someone, you have to put them down…as I said before….we give gifts at Thanksgiving…due to the nature of the holiday…It’s “origins” are American and it was the first holiday specifically geared towards giving and thanking…hense the pilgrims and indians…so my family does that instead of christmas…what is wrong with that?…please believe me Lucy, my children are not missing out on anything, as a matter of fact, I give them all I have, or strive to…we can agree to disagree….God Bless my friend.
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 9:00pmYo Lucy;
Report Post »The LORD said he would not share His glory with anyone. Do you not compromise this by what you do.
Christ is ALL sufficient, this would mean you need more than Christ?
Are not the easter bunny and santa clause idols?
What’s with the magic?
I sincerly believe you under estimate the power of the LORD to bring joy to the heart of a child. Jesus said let the little children come to ME!
We are free in Christ to do all things except sin. Is this sin that you do? Not sure myself. I do know that as my faith grows the further away from the celebrations of the world I get. I spent part of my last Christmas in a cemetary and I suffered not.We are told “that if you love the world you hate Christ”. Strong language, that I would suggest you strongly consider… blessings
trolltrainer
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 9:47pm4truth2all speaks wise words Lucy, but it is up to you to walk towards the Lord. I know many good Christians who celebrate Halloween, watch Harry Potter movies, and even drink a beer now and then. My issue with you is your judgment of how others should raise their own kids. This is the exact problem with this country today, everyone else knows how to raise the children better than the children’s own parents. My children knew Santa was a story, they have pictures sitting on his lap, they understood it was some dude in the mall. Believe it or not it did not ruin their lives. In fact, it was a blessing watching them support the santa myth to kids that did believe in him, even at the tender age of 4 and 5. For the last 5 years my kids foresake their own Christmas presents to put that money into Christmas Child boxes. Last year the 4 of us supplied 50 boxes! That is their Christmas present and that is their choice! THAT is magic. They go to trunk or treat at the church, they do the easter egg hunt at church too. They understand the real reason we celebrate these holidays. If someone chooses not to acknowledge these holidays it is their business and I am sure the kids are just fine for it.
I apologize if I was a bit harsh, but sometimes that is what we need to get us to see past our own prejudices. You may think you know what is best for my kids but i assure you, you do not.
Report Post »SnowKalBebes
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 10:06pmBut you would still complain if someone wanted to say happy holidays instead of merry christmas right?
Report Post »Pontiac
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 11:04pmOh Jesus…
Report Post »Juniemoon
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 10:32amRight on Mom, God actually gave us several holy days to celebrate, and if you make it into the kingdom, you will be celebrating all of them. All of our holidays have pagan origins. So many of you need to research them. They are really satanic, and now they are in the church.
Report Post »WeeDontNeedNoSteeeenkinBadges
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 4:22pm“So, churches who find it offensive often hold alternative events on October 31 each year.”
REALLY? Christians DO NOT seek to follow pagan festivals. What’s SO special about October 31, to a Christian, that they should DO anything? Christians HAVE days of observance FROM the Almighty Creator God Himself:
1 – And the LORD spoke to Moses, saying,
2 – “Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them: ‘The feasts of the LORD, which you shall proclaim to be holy convocations, these are My feasts.
-Leviticus 23:1-…
Notice, not “feasts of the Jews”, nor “feasts of the Israelites”, not even “feast of the pagans”, but “FEASTS OF THE LORD”. Yes, these are days that Almighty God has proclaimed that we (humanity) observe (and for practical reason, but that is for another post). And, ONLY these days:
29 – “When the LORD your God cuts off from before you the nations which you go to dispossess, and you displace them and dwell in their land,
Report Post »30 – take heed to yourself that you are not ensnared to follow them, after they are destroyed from before you, and that you do not inquire after their gods, saying, ‘How did these nations serve their gods? I also will do likewise.’
31 – You shall not worship the LORD your God in that way; for every abomination to the LORD which He hates they have done to their gods; …
-Deuteronomy 12:29-31
This_Individual
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 8:50pmGODLOVINMOM- If you choose to not celebrate the festival of samhain, that’s fine. But why is it necessary to speak ill of your fellow Americans that do? I would like to call your attention to the fact that Saturnalia (December 17th – 25th) is neither a “sun God’s birthday“ not does it have anything to do with the ”satan” described in your Bible. I enjoy asking my Christian friends about their religion (and I have read your Bible, by the way), so we can discuss and learn about each other’s chosen path (without any proslytation involved). This has brought us to the point where we know that the other is at peace enough within their spirituality, that there is no need to be “demonizing” the other for their beliefs. Aside from those who pretend to be “pagan” the rest of us really do not have anything to do with “satan”, as that being described has no place in our rituals. Many blessings.
Report Post »godlovinmom
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 8:57pmThisindividual….ummmm…where was it that I was demonizing anyone???…was explaining why I don’t celebrate these holidays and the truth I found for myself…you might want to reread the comments and see who was demonizing who.
Report Post »This_Individual
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 9:35pmGODLOVINMOM- “You do not mix Christ with satan” I apologize if I misunderstood this to mean that by my celebrating the festival of Saturnalia, I would have anything to do with “satan”. The rest I very much agree with ( that you should not celebrate your God on a festival day which traditionally has been celebrated by polytheists like myself).
Report Post »godlovinmom
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 9:56pmJesus commands us to spread the gospel…so when he says he has no concordance with satan…I believe he meant that…no matter how “fun” it is…you might want to check out the origins of your celebration of saturnalia…thats exactly who you are celebrating. The old testament goes into detail how satan wanted to be like the most high…ie christmas… Sometimes I do get a little fussy, especially when someone is attacking me…. But in the long wrong, individual responsibility in the end.
Report Post »This_Individual
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 10:34pmGODLOVINMOM – I am quite aware of the origins of Saturnalia. And still, there is no corolation between “satan” and any of the dieties described in the pantheon of pre-imperial Rome (especially the Dii Penates).
Report Post »I would also like to point out that Saturnalia was celebrated long before Jesus was brought to earth (in the flesh). Nowhere in our expressions and rituals are there any reference (negative or otherwise) to _______ (your GOD). Please understand that I am not attacking you, as I am only pointing out the fact that Saturnus (or any of the other Gods that I am aware of) have any resemblance to the “satan” in your Bible. I wish you peace in the spreading of your God’s word.
godlovinmom
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 11:39pmIndividual…satan started his wickedness long before God came to earth in the flesh…I understand satan has taken alot of god forms, ie…saturn, zeus, thor, the list is very long…If he (satan) can take the place of God in an individual’s life, then his goal is accomplished….have you read Alexander Hislop’s the Two Babylons…it speaks of the origins of these rituals we celebrate today…I take no offense to what you say to me, we’re only having a conversation here…I only share what I’ve learned…and if it could possibly get someone else researching then my joy is for them…and only that…I must confess though…I have not been in his word too much here lately and I’m afraid it shows…a little rusty…much better persons on this site probably know alot more than me. Oh well, I try!.
Report Post »lthm
Posted on October 10, 2011 at 12:43amI‘m totally OK with lying to people when there’s a good reason behind it. Lies come in all forms from blatant deceit to obfuscating the truth. When your four year old asks you how babies are made, do you give that child all the sordid details? Maybe so. I wouldn’t. I’d lie, even if it was just a lie of omission. When someone asks you how your day is, do you lie and say “fine” even when it’s not? Or are you one of those people who will spill the entirety of your miserable day/week/year to someone who was merely being polite? When someone asks you why you’re being unreasonably grumpy, do you tell him or her you‘re PMS’ing? Or do you lie? When Rahab was asked about the Hebrew spies, did she tell the authorities about them? No. She lied. And she is listed amongst the righteous in the New Testament books of Hebrews and James. She is also part of Jesus genealogy (Matthew 1). When Christians were hiding Jews during World War II, were they unrighteous when they lied to the authorities about that? The blanket “lying is bad” statement breaks down fast when you take a look at it.
Report Post »lthm
Posted on October 10, 2011 at 12:44amAs for the Christian celebrations of Christ’s birth and resurrection on Christmas and Easter, those don’t break down so quickly. They’ve been criticized by the “pop” religious types of every generation, and they’ve withstood the test of time, even as the pagan festivals have been all but forgotten. The Christian holidays (especially Christmas and Easter) are incredibly useful tools for teaching children about the tenets of Christian faith. If you’re willing to give in to the pagans by refusing to celebrate as a Christian on Christmas and Easter, where does paganism start and end for you in guarding against hypocrisy? Do you refuse to teach your children the days of the week because they’re named after pagan gods? Do you leave the planets out of their education for the same reason? I, for one, use these as tools to teach children about the wonder earlier generations of humans had for the world around them. I use them as tools to teach children just how wonderful God is for having created all of this. I certainly don‘t shy away from teaching them about how long and in what ways people have marveled over God’s creation. Even Paul used pagan tools as a springboard to teach about God (Acts 17).
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on October 10, 2011 at 1:18amGodlovinmom = wrinkles and no fun.
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Posted on October 10, 2011 at 1:27amGodlovinmom would rather celebrate a holiday in memory of how crappy we were to the Indians than give her kids a little magic once a year. Even I like Xmas. I love the trees and lights and the whole idea of giving. I’m actually a very festive person. Most of all, I like a day off with pay for no actual reason. I’ve even worked for Xtians from time to time so they could be with their families.
Report Post »Human beings need a reason to celebrate during the bleak winter solstice.
Good going, though. Thanks for helping us out on the, ahem, ‘war on Xmas’.
This_Individual
Posted on October 10, 2011 at 5:04amGODLOVINMOM – “….have you read Alexander Hislop’s the Two Babylons”
Report Post »That is not the word of your God. In fact, his interpretations of my ancestral dieties’ rites are incorrect and complete falsehoods. I would venture to say that since the entity described in your Bible as “satan” would sway you from the enlightenment of your God by pointing out the so called evils of others, you might want to ask for his blessing in private. As in many cultures, there are many who claim to have a direct understanding of a God, but come short (misirably). I wouldn’t ask for you to learn the enlightenment of my Gods (as it would be in direct conflict with your God’s commandments that you must adhere to, which I respect), but you would find that there is no antaganistic nature in the message given to me, in regards to your God or his followers. If you can show me where in your Bible I can find the names Saturnus or Iupitter, perhaps we can come to and understanding. Otherwise, “satan” might as well be the thought or inclination to sway from your God’s individual message for you.
schmite123oh
Posted on October 10, 2011 at 8:58am@everybody
I think you would all benefit to look at the fruits of each holiday. Are they good or bad? Enough said.
Report Post »BeeAlert
Posted on October 10, 2011 at 10:28amI go back and forth on celebrating Halloween, and Easter too, at least the way the world does it. But I know this: on Halloween, children in my neighborhood will come to my door and ask me for a treat. What better treat to give them than the truth of God’s Word? And candy! I think they go together nicely, so I have prayerfully given out child-friendly tracts at Halloween ever since I got married and had my own household. Kids love it.
As for Christmas and Easter, those can be celebrated as joyful Holy Days without involving Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny, certainly. What is more joyful or worthy of celebration than the birth of Jesus, and His resurrection? And since we don’t know what date it happened on, I choose to celebrate on the day that links me with the Christian community around the world. God made every day there is. Why let Satan have any of them?
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Posted on October 10, 2011 at 11:06amGodLovinMom – you rock hard.
The truth about the satanic origin of most (not all) holidays is more readily evident today than ever (ever checked out a little site called Wikipedia?), and yet more and more people are being willingly ignorant of the necessity of religious purity.
You can NOT worship the one true God with other gods’ methods. He will not accept it. If you can, then we can worship God in literally any disgusting sinful act we wish. Remember strippers for Jesus?
Report Post »godlovinmom
Posted on October 10, 2011 at 1:49pmIndividual…Foxhole, Beealert, and Tomess, please see my response to some of your attacking on the last page…I have JOY in my life, actually I have an abundance of joy, and I get it all from Jesus Christ, and I pray each and everyone of you find that joy too!
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Posted on October 10, 2011 at 2:00pmAll Saints’ Day (in the Roman Catholic Church officially the Solemnity of All Saints and also called All Hallows or Hallowmas[1]), often shortened to All Saints, is a solemnity celebrated on 1 November by parts of Western Christianity, and on the first Sunday after Pentecost in Eastern Christianity, in honor of all the saints, known and unknown.
In Western Christian theology, the day commemorates all those who have attained the beatific vision in Heaven. It is a national holiday in many historically Catholic countries. In the Roman Catholic Church, the next day, All Souls’ Day, specifically commemorates the departed faithful who have not yet been purified and reached heaven. Catholics celebrate All Saints‘ Day and All Souls’ Day in the fundamental belief that there is a prayerful spiritual communion between those in the state of grace who have died and are either being purified in purgatory or are in heaven (the ‘church penitent’ and the ‘church triumphant’, respectively), and the ‘church militant’ who are the living. Other Christian traditions define, remember and respond to the saints in different ways.
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Posted on October 10, 2011 at 2:21pmGODLOVINMOM -” Individual…Foxhole, Beealert, and Tomess, please see my response to some of your attacking on the last page…I have JOY in my life, actually I have an abundance of joy, and I get it all from Jesus Christ, and I pray each and everyone of you find that joy too!”
I am not attacking you, your God, or your right to worship as you please. And I am glad that you have joy in your life. But you are posting misleading comments about my faith and Gods ( calling Saturnus “satan”, which is frankly insulting especially when I have been trying to be cordial and respectful while you continue to post things that you know nothing about). That is where my responses to you began. You might want to look at the fact that while I have expressed respect toward your God and religion, while you and others here continue to condemn the rest for following a different path. My joy is being non-agressive toward anyone’s free will, yours (it seems) to be quite antaganistic, which does fit the description of your “satan”. I wish for you the true enlightenment of your God, and continue with it until you have come to the realization that we of different paths are not your enemy, as your God knows we are not.
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Posted on October 10, 2011 at 2:53pmIndividual…you are right…you are not my enemy…I said “some”..as in Foxhole…but..if I truly believe in what I believe…I am compelled to say these things…satan is the angel of light…satan is the angel of music…so…with his “talents” he is able to mislead….If I was to say to you that I respect your beliefs…I would be lying…because I would never respect anyone who worships other gods..period..I’m sorry if this is not politically correct..it’s just how I feel.
Report Post »constantnfaithful
Posted on October 10, 2011 at 5:21pmGODLOVINMOM Good for you. We have lived with the stigma of not recognizing this particular day for more than twenty years. People just don’t understand why we would choose not participate in a day that celebrates evil, death and horror. I challenge anyone to find anything good that is celebrated on that day. We have started celebrating Purim which is the day that celebrates the Jews deliverance from the evil Haman by Queen Esther. It has turned into a modern dress up holiday that celebrates the story of Esther. We really have a lot of fun with it. I would recommend the book “God’s Appointed Times” for more information on the holiday. Anyway “You are not alone!”.
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Posted on October 10, 2011 at 6:25pmThank you so much..Constantandfaithful…I do appreciate you and others the have been “sticking up” for me…As well as others, who I don’t happen to agree with, but enjoy the debate…this actually started with what I believe and how I raise my children…and like all “touchy” subjects…it goes every which way…I “try” to stand strong on what I believe..as everyone should. God Bless, my friend! p.s. your name reminds me of a character from the Holy War, by John Bunyan…love it!
Report Post »Sara B
Posted on October 11, 2011 at 12:16pmIf my child comes home with a christian cd because one of you freaks decided to participate in this bull, they have my full permission to light a bag of dog **** on your front porch.
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on October 11, 2011 at 5:48pmGodlovinmom, what you’re doing is denying your children innocence and magic that is supposed to be included in a healthy happy childhood while simultaneously indoctrinating them and instilling dogma, ignorance, and fear.
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Posted on October 12, 2011 at 1:34amYou are entitled to your opinion on how I’m raising my children…But I wholeheartedly disagree with you…I believe I’m giving them just what they need…a Godlovinmom!
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Posted on October 8, 2011 at 1:01pmI am glad I grew up when I did. I was able to enjoy Halloween as a day where you got to dress up in a cool costume and go door to door for free candy. When fall arrived Halloween was one of the things I really looked forward to. There wasn’t anyone trying to hijack the fun by telling us that our celebration was somehow evil. Perhaps the underpinnings of All Hallows Eve isn’t Christian, but what kid in a ghoul suit knows anything about that? He’s just having fun and collecting candy.
If anything this type of thing will project the idea that Christianity is stuffy and against having a good time. Life was meant to be savored and enjoyed, don’t make it a chore,
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 1:47pmThe name Halloween comes from All Hallows Eve, the eve of All Hallows, or All Saints Day. Nov. 1st is the day in the church calendar when we remember all those saints triumphant who are with Jesus in heaven. We live in times when so many of the people of God have fallen away from actively resisting evil, so it is no wonder that a holy day that used to MOCK the Devil and all his so-called terrors now playfully REVELS in it.
But the idea that these are satanic holidays and so shouldn’t be celebrated flows from bad theology. Satan owns nothing of his own. He will take whatever you leave unguarded and corrupt it. But God is in the business of despoiling him of all that he pretends is his. Everything that is corrupted can be redeemed and made to serve God. But Satan WILL fight back. The war never ends until Jesus comes back and ENDS IT.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 2:10pm@ISlesFordian
Wrong as well!
It derives from the Roman feast Pomona and/or the Roman festival of the dead Parentalia. It can also be linked to the Celtic festival of Samhain. Catholics brought this festival into the Church as a day to pray for souls in Purgatory. This is the reason of carving pumpkins into jack o lanterns.
Pagan festival adapted for God worship about something not true! None is found in the Bible and opposite of God’s teachings.
IsLesFordian you are telling God and His Word they are wrong and you and your belief are right. That is shameful.
How about you provide your scripture to show it is ok to celebrate God as a Pagan and I’ll post every scripture where it says you are not too?
Quit lying about GOD….
Report Post »proliance
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 6:08pmThank you Isles, you gave a very good description.
Okie, you should be embarrassed. The only people who believe you are simple minded fold easily swayed by loud mouthed preachers who swing their Bible like its a stage prop. Once you learn that the Church existed before the Bible, then you’ll understand that many of the things Catholics do are because they were handed down by the Apostles and the people who actually knew Jesus. I encourage you to put away your backwoods “Christian” politics and see the one true Church that gave us the Bible.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 7:06pm@Proliance
If you follow the apostles you would follow God’s word thru them found in the Bible which tells you not to practice Pagan Festivals. Also remember those Words in the Bible were spoke before your religion was formed.
How many Pagan festivals did Peter practice?
How many Pagan festivals did Paul practice?
How many Pagan festivals did Stephen practice?
Should I continue? All were zero…..
Practice your Pagan festivals all you wish. Embarrassment would be on you to think you can tell God how you will worship Him and saying His directions are wrong. Have a great day and enjoy your Pagan festivals!
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 9:28pmOakie doesn’t understand the difference between All Saints Day, Nov 1st, and All Souls Day, Nov 2nd. Where he isn’t simply ignorant he supplements with simple ant-catholic bigotry. And I’m a Protestant.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 9:55pm@IsLesFordian
All Saints Day-November 1; Day prayed for Saints Catholics
All Souls Day- Day souls in Purgatory are prayed for by Catholics
Halloween- Day previously prayed for dead by Pagan in Purgatory.
Apparently you don’t understand Catholics copied the Pagan praying for dead in Purgatory on Oct 31st and placed in on November 2nd. It is the same practice, just different days…..
Truth is not bigotry, it is truth. Truth is Catholics brought Paganism into their Church as seen above………You are Protestant who is ignorant of your founders teachings and mimic the Carholic Church. Just like the Bible says you would…..Take care!
Report Post »dontbeahater
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 10:06pmAmen :)
Report Post »ChristianLayman
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 12:14am@Okie from Muskogee
Apparently you don’t understand Catholics copied the Pagan praying for dead in Purgatory on Oct 31st and placed in on November 2nd. It is the same practice, just different days…..
Truth is not bigotry, it is truth. Truth is Catholics brought Paganism into their Church as seen above………You are Protestant who is ignorant of your founders teachings and mimic the Carholic Church. Just like the Bible says you would…..Take care!
Prayer for the dead came from the Jews, not the Pagans. I’d recommend reading 2 Maccabees 12: 40-46. Also, this is not some diabolical invention of the Catholic Church as the Orthodox Churches have the same or similar beliefs.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 1:45pm@ChristianLayMan
Wrong. The Catholic prayer for dead in purgatory and Jewish prayer of Kaddish are not the same at all.
Also, is 2 Maccabees a part of any Bible, Jewish or Protestant? NO.
The Catholic Church didn’t invent it but simply copied how the Pagans, Romans/Greeks, did at the time in their rituals of Prayer for dead in Purgatory. The Church embraced Paganism. It is the same practice as the Pagan Greeks/Romans and if you deny that you are either ignorant or a liar. I say ignorant.
Good try…… Enjoy your day!
Report Post »BeeAlert
Posted on October 10, 2011 at 10:34amI enjoyed trick-or-treating as a kid too, with fully supportive Christian parents. But we do live in darker days now, unfortunately. Being spiritually aware is a must for Christian families now, more than ever. I love using Halloween as a chance to spread the Gospel. Yield NO day or territory to Satan is my strategy!
Report Post »sister1_rm
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 12:54pmI am Christian, and while I do recognize Halloween’s pagan heritage, I also use the holiday tradition as a way to maintain my connections to community and have fun as a family. It’s also an opportunity to teach culture and open discussion with my children on topics that are important to them. If there are those who do not wish to celebrate Halloween, that’s fine. They can make traditions of their own.
Report Post »BigdaddyK
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 1:24pmInstead of Christians hiding in their house with the lights turned off to avoid participating in a pagan celebration, why not sit on the front porch and hand out Bibles, or Chick Tracts, or something along those lines? You can reach a lot of unsaved people this way, Kind of like Yahshua did by hanging out with sinners.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 1:58pmYes bigdaddyk,
We have done this also, but be sure to also give out QUALITY candy. Just include a tract and enjoy the kids in their costumes.
These days we keep the lights out but have some candy and tracts in case someone does knock. We know the history of the holiday, and we have nothing against kids having fun. Both sides take it to extremes, but in the end it is a personal choice. Let’s not attack each other over that choice, it does not pick anyone’s pocket.
Report Post »ScienceIsNotEvil
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 2:17pmBigdaddyK
Have you read any of those? Do you really want to spread all those lies that Chick prints?
Report Post »cmnr0912
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 3:31pmAre you instructed in scripture to use pagan holidays to further community relations OR are you instructed to abstain from all things evil, have no fellowship with darkness, learn not the way of the heathern,(1 Thessalonians 5:22, 2 Corinthians 6:14,Jeremiah 10:1-5 ). You can not prove that it is acceptable to celebrate pagan holidays, using scripture…while I can show you in multiple scriptures why you shouldn’t.
Report Post »WeeDontNeedNoSteeeenkinBadges
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 4:57pmcmnr0912 – “Are you instructed in scripture to use pagan holidays to further community relations OR are you instructed to abstain from all things evil, have no fellowship with darkness, learn not the way of the heathern,(1 Thessalonians 5:22, 2 Corinthians 6:14,Jeremiah 10:1-5 ).”
READ THIS AGAIN, PEOPLE.
Report Post »UrbanFool
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 12:10amThank you Sister, I was starting to get a headache.
I don’t think any of the kids in our neighborhood have the first clue of the origin of Halloween, nor do they care, nor do I feel inclined to inform them. It’s just a fun holiday to dress up and get stuff from the neighbors. Personally, I don’t hand out candy, but I do hand out little notebooks or stickers or whatever I come across that just seems like a nice little thing. I have to admit I love decorating the house, and I don’t think any of it detracts from my love for Jesus, nor pits me against him in the evil ways of the world.
I’ll leave the tracting to the missionaries.
Report Post »Marine 1
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 12:54pmWay to go Pastor Paul Ade! Halloween has always seemed to be a very satanic thing to me.
Report Post »Mandors
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 12:48pmI’m sorry, but please don‘t try to attach the Lord’s name to some stupid festival idea like this.
The only ween is the pastor.
Report Post »USAF2003
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 12:57pmyour an idiot
Report Post »Mandors
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 1:10pmIt’s a dumb idea. And U hav gud gramar.
Report Post »Rational Man
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 1:12pm@Mandors
Your right!
Report Post »Kaoscontrol
Posted on October 10, 2011 at 2:38amI’m all for avoiding the pagan holloween stuff, but can’t we call It HOLYween or something? “Jesus ween” just sounds so stupid. I love the Lord, but puh-leez come up with a more creative title for your celebration so you’re not such a laughing stock. It’s like taking the name obove all names, Jesus, and adding ‘nerd’ to it (or worse yet, slang for a male’s privates)
Report Post »zman173rd
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 12:29pmThis is why the uberleft call us kooks. This is why anyone who is religous is considered a dreamer and not seated in reality because to believe in GOD contradicts evoulution. How many of us who believe in God and Jesus feel that Halloween screwed us up when we were kids.? Pick the RIGHT FIGHT! Waste of time and it’s a joke.
Report Post »Mandors
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 1:00pmAgree 100%
Report Post »USAF2003
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 1:01pmA true christian, guided by the holy spirit would not be so worried about what others think about them. You have a ways to go to get ready for the Lord.
Report Post »Red1492
Posted on October 10, 2011 at 9:34amAbsolutely agree. I LOVE Halloween.I’m dressing my boys in hand sewn costumes as Davy Crockett & Sequoya…how satanic!! This is why the “right” is labeled as nutball-wacko, funhaters.
Report Post »wordweaver
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 12:26pmThere are folks who will see demons everywhere. I’ve seen Christian schools for decades wrestling with what to do with Halloween, what to do with Harry Potter, etc. So much of the hysteria is way over the top in my view. Many Churches and Christian schools today have “Harvest Parties” on or around Halloween. Some turn the focus to All Saints Day on November 1. But for most of the Christian community, Halloween is a night for the kids to dress up and go door-to-door around the neighborhood – and it means nothing more than that. As a Christian parent, I am way more concerned about the garbage my child is being assaulted with every other day of the year from our culture. We don’t need a movement to hijack a pagan holiday and make it a Christian holiday. What we need is genuine spiritual renewal 24/7/365.
Report Post »UrbanFool
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 12:13amAmen!
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 12:24pmI don’t care how you try to twist it, Halloween is a Pagan Festival and partaking in this festival whether for “Jesus” or not is still you partaking in a Pagan Festival.
It would be the same as saying I‘m going to a Satan sacrifice but to me personally it’s a sacrifice to “Jesus”.
QUIT LYING TO YOURSELF PEOPLE!!!
Pagan worship and God’s worship are not to be mixed, period and in the old and new testament both show this. open your Bible and read it.
Report Post »COFemale
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 12:34pmIf if you look at history, I am afraid many of our holidays originated as pagan holidays and Christians redefined them for Christian purpose. Regardless, how a holiday originated, it is what you believe that matters, not what some other group believes. Anyone can take a holiday someone celebrates and create a new way to celebrate them.
If your faith is strong, another group that celebrates it different, will not waver you. If it does, then your faith was not strong to begin with and you need evaluate yourself and reconcile your beliefs.
Report Post »cmnr0912
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 12:42pmAmen!
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 12:45pm@CofeMale
Is this your opinion or is it based from God’s Word?
What reason does God need us to practice Pagan Festivals? He doesn’t.
What reason are we wanting to say these Pagan festivals are for our God? So we can partake in them and be like the world.
You can practice Pagan Festivals all you wish but it is not for God of the Bible. It is an excuse to please yourself only with the world.
Read 1 Corinthians 8 about knowledge without love……
Report Post »cmnr0912
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 3:03pmMy agreement was with you Okie, somehow got posted after the other person.
Report Post »TorahGirl16
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 5:41pmGlad to see a fellow Torah keeper Okie From Muskogee!
Report Post »Jake in Denver
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 6:33pmYou are both correct. It does come from All Hallow’s Eve, and pagan holidays. The vatican set the dates for many Christian holidays to align with pagan holidays that have similar themes. By having the holidays line up, it was easier to convert pagans to Christianity.
Christmas – birth – beginings
Easter – resurection – rebirth
Halloween / All Saints / All Souls – honoring the dead – blessing the harvest
If you would like to take the fantastical creatures and paganism out of Halloween, have your kids choose someone that has passed who’s values they admire and dress up like them.
Just because a holiday aligns with a pagan holiday does not mean we can not celebrate it’s Christian heritage.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 7:28pm@Jake in Denver
The Church does not dictate to God how we will worship Him. God tells the Church how we are to Worship. God said not to mix with pagans but the Romans would not give up their Pagan feasts so the Catholics defied God and did as they pleased. It’s easier to convert Christians into Paganism and that is what occurred, the Church moved towards Paganism and didn’t stand with God. Appreciate your thoughts!
1 Corinthian 8
Report Post »Ponyshoes
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 12:22pmExcuse me, “Jesus Ween”? Read some history pastor. That would be 11-1-2011 “All Halos Day”. Leave :All Hallos Eve” 10-31-2011 alone. Stop following the Roman’s example of incorporating your Faith into everyone elses. Let the “nightwalkers” have their eve, at least we know where to find them and take appropriate percautions and maybe enjoy the night.
Report Post »kvn
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 12:56pmAll Halos Day is also known as All Saints Day.
Report Post »brian8793
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 12:22pmWow, this is GAY.
Report Post »ReadItToday
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 12:21pmThen we should think about turning America back to a democracy rather than a full blown hypocrisy.
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qzak491
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 12:21pmInstead of giving out candy to bad we can’t give out Chinese fortune cookies with Bible verses in them.
Report Post »BeeAlert
Posted on October 10, 2011 at 11:04pmWe could ! That’s a great idea !
Report Post »macpappy
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 12:19pmWell, I don‘t see why Christains can’t worship God, and dress up like little demons, go trick or treating and justify the beliefs that other spirits, other than angels exists……right?
Report Post »Just kidding.
Note: Historian Nicholas Rogers, exploring the origins of Halloween, notes that while “some folklorists have detected its origins in the Roman feast of Pomona, the goddess of fruits and seeds, or in the festival of the dead called Parentalia, it is more typically linked to the Celtic festival of Samhain, whose original spelling was Samuin (pronounced sow-an or sow-in)”.[1] The name of the festival historically kept by the Gaels and celts in the British Isles which is derived from Old Irish and means roughly “summer’s end”.[
gmoneytx
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 12:16pmGood lord already, you should be more worried about the lack of morals in the U.S. that trying to call Halloween something else…
Report Post »Nemo13
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 12:15pmHalloween is great. There is nothing evil about Halloween. Oh, I’m sure a few over-churched people can pcik a few crazy stories here and there, but I would challenge anyone to compare the evils of the churches in the last 800 years as apposed to this simple holiday that has now become a time for young children to dress spooky and get candy. If you feel Halloween is a threat in any way, you need to walk outside and get some fresh air. If some over-churched people can’t handle these little things from time to time, I doubt God can help them either. Halloween is just like going to the movies and watching a horror movie. It’s just a movie. You think some kids are going to get all freaked out and follow the devil? I have news for ya, if some kids are prone to insanity, they will find anything to vent their frustrations. Some have even used God himself, as we have seen many many times.
Report Post »Yell0wsh0e
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 12:10pmJesus ween ? lol , really ? you going to be bobbing for bibles ?
Report Post »YepImaConservative
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 12:27pmLol. Reminds me of the toothpaste commercial out now where the guy is bobbing for apples and comes up with the old hippy dude’s red G-string underwear… and he says… “howda’ya like them apples?”
Report Post »Red1492
Posted on October 10, 2011 at 9:41am“bobbing for bibles” I laughed out loud at that one.
Report Post »Keats
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 12:10pm“A true Christian” blah blah blah (to the commenter below). How high and mighty. Eighty years ago churches were holding Halloween party at their churches. Evil is what you make it. I’m really sick of the “no Santa, no Halloween, Christmas and Easter are ancient pagan holidays” crowd. Unless your a Satinist or into New Age Occult, which is bad any time of the year, Halloween is a purely cultural American tradition. Actually one ancient tradition goes back to remembering the souls of the dead, which isn’t all that crazy. So…unless your falling down on your knees worshipping a carved pumpkin – GET OVER IT.
And yes, there will always be those nutjobs, like some neighbors I had once, who’s idea of Halloween was to hang a naked baby doll in a noose in their front yard covered with ketchup. Great – at least you suddenly knew you had a bunch of crazy on the block!
And I’ve had enough Jehovah Witness and Mormom material shoved down my throat, banged on my door and followed down the street for years. PLEASE don‘t start forcing Christianity on small children who won’t understand and are only out for some fun masquerading and candy. If you think the world will be saved this way, look back to the 30‘s and 40’s when Halloween parties were held at local churches and the world was a much better place and everyone went to church on Sunday. Halloween Party On!
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 12:35pmGod is not to be mocked (Galatians 6:7)! In several places in the Bible, He states quite unequivocally that He is a jealous God (Exodus 34:14; Deuteronomy 6:14-15)—He will not be worshipped like any other god (Deuteronomy 12:3-4, 30-31). When He instructed His chosen people Israel in the method of His worship, He warned them neither to add to what He had given them, nor take away from it (Deuteronomy 4:2; 12:32; see Revelation 22:18-19).
For example, notice His terrible wrath when the children of Israel tried to worship Him through the Golden Calf (Exodus 32:1-9). They proclaimed “a feast to the Lord” (verse 5), but He would have none of it! He was so enraged at the people‘s idolatry that He considered exterminating the whole nation and starting over with Moses’ family.
That same God—Yahweh, the Lord of the Old Testament—became Jesus Christ! Will our Savior be worshipped in any way that is based upon a lie? Certainly not! And this in no way takes into consideration the non-biblical (dare we say “pagan”?) traditions and customs that have taken over the commemoration of His sacrifice and triumphant victory!
If you don‘t like hearing God’s word and truth, that is your rebellion. You are arguing to be like the world. I’ll pray for you. Have a great day!
Report Post »godlovinmom
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 1:41pmI bet God is really sick of it too!
Report Post »YepImaConservative
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 2:03pmI agree with you wholeheartedly. I am a regular Church going Catholic. I also believe that some are so “consumed” with their particular religious beliefs that common sense can be totally thrown out of the window in favor of Bible thumping and scripture reciting to the point of ridiculousness and obsurdity.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 2:18pm@Yepimwhatever
I’m consumed with the Bible and follow God. It seems you are consumed with your “religion’s” traditions of adopting Pagan worship instead of following God’s Word. What happens to the Church that fornicates with the World? Look in the Bible…..
How about instead of just giving your worldly opinion you show us from God’s Word it is ok to worship God as a Pagan.
To say quoting scripture and thumping my Bible is Ridiculous and Absurd is mocking God’s Word….You know better then God do you? Wow!
Report Post »YepImaConservative
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 2:37pm>OPIE FROM MUSKOGEE The key word in that statement of mine was “some.” I’m guessing you to be one of the “some” I was writing about. Sometimes too much of a good thing… clouds people’s common sense and judgement. Thump thump, thump….
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 3:22pm@YupImAWhatever
Too much of? God? No way….That is a disappointing statement coming from a regular Church going Catholic or is that the view of the Catholic Church, too much of God is a bad thing? Is that the reason they embraced these Pagan festivals? Practice your Pagan festivals all you like but understand they have nothing to do with God or Jesus of the Bible.
Common sense and good judgement tells us to follow God’s Word, the Bible, and not man‘s traditions saying they’re about Jesus.
Report Post »Blacktooth
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 3:56pmPeople, it would be wise on everyone’s part to give serious thought to what you are doing regarding this demon inspired “holiday”. Okie from Muskogee is giving good advice. We do not want to insult the Almighty God by giving devotion to false worship.
What sharing does light have with darkness?
Report Post »YepImaConservative
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 5:25pm>OPIE. Give it a rest sinner. God knows what‘s in a person’s heart by the way he/she lives their lives, how they treat others and how we all show our appreciation to him throughout this life. You can write about it, debate others, proclaim it from the roof tops all day long… but that doesn’t make you a better Christian than the next person.
And I’ll say it again… Thump, thump, thump. I’ve met enough over-the-top, anal retentive Bible thumping, scripture reciting/writing sinners in my life to remark and have an opinion. And in the end… it’s my opinion… and I too… am a sinner.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 5:54pm@YepImAWhatever
Ain’t gonna happen! I will continue to speak God’s Word and His truth. If you can not handle it, that is something you should address in yourself.
It is not about me being better then anyone. It is about sharing truth and serving others with truth. The only person proclaiming me better then you is you.
As I said practice your Pagan festivals all you wish. You have been told truth. What you do with it will be dealt with by God. You will explain to God why you lied and followed Pagan beliefs saying it is for Him. Good luck! Have a great day!
@BlackTooth
Howdy! Appreciate you much. Hope you are well!
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 9:15pmYo Yepi:
Report Post »Wanna give me money, I’ll take it
wanna give me gold, I’ll take it
Never get enough of that GOOD stuff.
If God is exceedingly better than this,
How can anyone ever get to much of God?
COFemale
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 12:10pmAs a Christian I view Halloween as a fun holiday where children can dress up in costumes and trick or treat for candy. I do not associate the time as a pagan holiday. I know many Christians take their children trick or treating.
If his belief is to view it as a pagan holiday rather than a fun day for kids, then so be it. That is his right, but don’t tell me I should believe different.
Report Post »Yell0wsh0e
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 12:10pmI agree !
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 12:55pmHow are you “Christian” if you are doing opposite of what God says to do and then say you can and it is ok? You are basically saying God is wrong and you are right.
Why do kids dress up on Halloween and go door to door for candy? None of it has anything to do with God or Jesus but every bit of it has to do with celebrating a Pagan God. (false God) It is the same as building a Golden Calf and worshipping it for Jesus.
Have you ever read a Bible? Please do so and quit saying it is ok to disobey God for you are lying against God.
Report Post »Glenn Jericho
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 6:07pmThis is more dopey than the people trying to take all things Christmas out of the winter holiday season.
@Okie- So if a devout Christian (or even an atheist for that matter) dresses up and goes out and asks for candy on Halloween, they are BY DEFAULT worshiping a pagan god?! What happens if you go to a mid-May costume party where they serve chocolate candies? Are you damned then too? In my opinion, avoiding a pagan holiday, which today isn’t even a pagan holiday but rather for 98% of the population is a SECULAR, non-religious holiday, is validating that pagan “god.”
Paul wrote about this: (1 Corinthians 8)
Report Post »4 So then, about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that “An idol is nothing at all in the world” and that “There is no God but one.” 5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), 6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live… 8 But food does not bring us near to God; we are no worse if we do not eat, and no better if we do.
Okie from Muskogee
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 7:21pm@Glenn of Jericho
Everything about Christmas is Pagan. There is nothing Christ about it. All Pagan.
Is that why God said not to have false idols or other Gods before Him? Not practicing Pagan festivals does not validate anything other then God of the Bible. Validation comes from your excuse to practice them and defying God’s word.
Paul wrote quite a bit more in Chapter 8 then those few verses you posted. That whole chapter is in regards to knowledge, knowing pagan Gods do not exist, and knowledge and love, knowing the Pagan Gods do not exist and not practicing their festivities so others are not led astray. Read the whole chapter and don’t be puffed up with knowledge as first described by Paul. Use love with that knowledge for if you do not you sin against Christ as Paul says……Paul states he will never eat the meat so not to lead others astray in believing it is ok, for Paul actually banned eating Pagan meat in Acts at the council of Jerusalem. Paul was chiding the “knowledgeable” know it alls who said that practicing eating Pagan meats was ok. Enjoy your evening!
Report Post »Rational Man
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 12:08pmMy alternative to halloween is to dress the kids up like Israelites and biblical characters and have a party at church. And if they do go out trick-or-treating, hand out gospel tracts.
Report Post »That way kids don’t feel completely left out of playing dress up and having fun. And it’s Christian themed.
I know people will argue over such an idea, but it is better for kids to know that as Christians, they are separate and set apart from the world. Special!!
Keats
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 12:11pmwow. that sounds FUN! y-a-w-n.
Report Post »Lucy Larue
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 2:19pmREALLY!?
Report Post »Sigh…,so many posts here like yours. It’s sad.
You are all joy stealers. And you deny Children their rights by the stand that you maintain.
Children have a freaking RIGHT to the Magic of being a child.
Do not take it away.
“JESUS WEEN”?….,UGH! This is a prime example of why the much beleaugered comedian Lenny Bruce was a good man.He said oh so long ago,“Thousands of people are leaving the Church and returning to GOD”!
Rational Man
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 3:59pm@Lucy Larue
Great quote from a heroin junkie that died from a morphine overdose, naked in a bathroom.
(the “great quote” part is sarcasm, the “overdosed junkie” part is truth)
Gee! Wonder why we don’t agree on things?
Report Post »Lucy Larue
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 6:07pmRATIONAL MAN,
What the hell difference does it make that a tortured soul was a heroin addict.?
He made a good point!
In case you did not know…,Bruce was a Jew.
Report Post »cmnr0912
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 7:47pmBut you are making a mistake! I used to do the very same thing, thinking that by doing a harvest festival, allowing my kids to dress up in non scary costumes etc…I was taking the higher Christian road. But what you are doing is compromising with the world. In the very way that you are trying to teach your children to be “set apart” you are showing them that with a little “tweeking” we as Christians can still have the “fun” of worldliness without the guilt. What is more important, allowing our children to participate in the same kind of fun as the world, or teaching them that sacrifice is often required of us in serving a Most Holy and Rightous God ? Is the work of the cross not worth refraining from the celebrations of the pagans?
Report Post »AxelPhantom
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 12:07pmWhen I was a kid, halloween was fun and done after school. There were cake-walks, musical chairs, raffles, costume contests it was quite a bit of fun, bobbing for apples. It raised a lot of money for the school. Yes, there were talks amongst ourselves about the mean nun who mysteriously fell down the stairs after giving a student a failing grade 100 years ago and died, she now haunted the halls looking for the kid who pushed her….OOHHH!
Report Post »Halloween reinforces to kids that there are powers in this world both good and evil and that the soul is eternal beyond physical life, so you better take care of yours. At least that is what I got out of it.
BeeAlert
Posted on October 10, 2011 at 11:10pmHey, until you got to the nun part I was wondering if you went to the same school as me! Cake walks are the best…
Report Post »Robert Hawk
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 12:04pmHalloween stems from the age old stories told around the various barns and open circles during crop processing time (usually the fall). We have taken it much further over the years than it needs to be, but there is not need to eliminate the event. If you don’t want to participate, then simply you can freely do so. Participating in halloween should be a personal choice and not one invoked by clergy or politicians.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 11:59amWe do not do Halloween, we do not judge those that do, and every day is devoted to Jesus.
I understand the fight, but feel it is irrelevant. It is up to each believer to walk in the Light, and it is a balancing act with the world.
Report Post »UlyssesP
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 12:54pmI avoid the whole thing because at my age, all I see and come across are drunk obnoxious people who think a costume gives them license to get even more plastered and act the fools.
Oh, this isn’t about wall street protests?
Report Post »Sorry.
Clear Thinker
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 11:59amTo each his own, but the fundamentalist Christians are just this side of creepy. Halloween is a completely benign holiday for children. It has zero theology. It is a time for kids (and grownups) to wear fun costumes, watch scary movies, eat candy, and have fun parties. It’s a time when kids can go out to play on a school night, and it’s a holiday that every kid should be free anticipate without having it ruined by some judgemental and constipated grownups ruining the thing.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 12:04pmWhich is exactly why this group exists. It is a compromise with the world and those who do not understand.
Report Post »ChristianLayman
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 12:20am@ Clear Thinker
Yeah, I hear you and to be honest I‘m not sure who’s worse: fundamentalists or zeitgeist cult members. Both are highly irrational in their beliefs and I seriously doubt their level of understanding of what the purport to know about.
Report Post »Judy72204
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 11:54amThis is a pagan celebration to appease the dead. It has nothing to do in anyway with Christianity. A true Christian is expected to turn around and put on the new personality. If you really want to become a different person you need instruction and encouragement only found in the Bible. Read Ephesians..
Report Post »COFemale
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 12:26pmActually, it started as a Roman Catholic holiday. It was deemed All Hollows Eve and Nov 1 was All Saints Day. It was other groups who came in and made it to suit their beliefs.
Halloween is what you make it. Just because one group hijacked it and made it to suit their purposes does not make it so.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 1:15pm@CofeMale
Wrong.
It derives from the Roman feast Pomona and/or the Roman festival of the dead Parentalia. It can also be linked to the Celtic festival of Samhain. Catholics brought this festival into the Church as a day to pray for souls in Purgatory. This is the reason of carving pumpkins into jack o lanterns.
Pagan festival adapted for God worship about something not true! None is found in the Bible and opposite of God’s teachings.
Report Post »Lucy Larue
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 6:44pmJUDY72204,
So freaking what? It WAS Pagan. Now it isn’t.
You are EXACTLY like the Nanny State Progressives that you rail against!
Can you not SEE that?
Do you not understand that ALL of these “PAGAN” Holidays that we as Christians embrace were to bring these very Pagans to God?
It worked! They did embrace God. What the HELL is your beef?!
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 9:22pmYo Lucy;
Report Post »Do I sense a little unrighteous anger here?
WhiteFang
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 10:29pmLucy Larue does not care what God thinks about this matter.
Report Post »She has her mind made up, so let’s leave her be, in her little magical world.
Kimberli
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 11:11amKeep your own Holy-days and stop telling others how to celebrate theirs. It is going to be all muslim soon so who the hell cares anyway!
Report Post »jay1975
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 11:53amIf it is so offensive, then it would be better to just keep the lights off than handing out Christian literature. The kids say “trick or treat” for a reason. Seems like a lot of hoopla for one night of fun.
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