Faith

Pastor: ‘My Flesh Kind Of Likes The Idea’ of Killing Gays But ‘It Violates Scripture’ & Is ‘Wrong’

Pastor Weatherman and his wife (Image Credit: MLIBC Church web site)

Pastor Weatherman and his wife (Image Credit: MLIBC Church web site)

Keeping track of the bizarre stories that highlight Christian pastors’ shocking sermons about gays and homosexuals has been a difficult task. The rhetoric, which is certainly troubling, isn’t commonplace in the vast majority of Christian churches, yet its presence in even a small minority of houses of worship is increasingly raising eyebrows.

Yesterday, we told you about a Kansas pastor who told his flock that the government should kill gays. Today, we have another story about a Maryland preacher who reportedly also made some equally curious statements surrounding the subject of homosexuality.

(Related: Shock Video: Christian Pastor Preaches That the Government Should Kill Gays)

The pastor, who As Good As You blogger Jeremy Hooper identifies as Dennis Leatherman of the Mountain Lake Independent Baptist Church in Oakland, Maryland, allegedly made his statements in a 50-minute sermon entitled, “Homosexuality and the Bible.” A compete transcript of the preacher’s words can be found here.

“To be…have a tendency to be effeminate or homosexual is just as wicked as to have a tendency to be a womanizer,” Leatherman can be heard saying in the audio. ”Sinful nature does not justify sinful behavior. Now what is our take? What is our response?”

While these words would offend some, many Christians would agree that homosexuality is sinful in nature. In fact, this is something that Pastor Joel Osteen – a popular televangelist not known for delving deeply into issues of sin — recently said. There are also more progressive believers, though, who may avoid such a characterization.

Either way, Leatherman’s other, more contentious words regarding the issue of homosexuality seem to be the real focus of attention. He continues:

“First of all, there is a danger of reacting in the flesh, of responding not in a scriptural, spiritual way, but in a fleshly way. Kill them all. Right? I will be very honest with you. My flesh kind of likes that idea. But it grieves the Holy Spirit. It violates Scripture. It is wrong. Number one, I put this down. How do we respond? We need to hold true to God’s Word. As despicable as it is to our thinking, we must not compromise. [...]

The lies of the sodomite, same sex marriage promoters are going largely unchallenged in our society. It is a storm rolling across this country that is absolutely tearing everything up in its path and there are few of any, particularly in public positions who are standing up and saying, ‘This is wrong.’”

While he claims that his “flesh” likes the idea of killing homosexuals, he condemns the ideal as a violation of Biblical scripture. He also refers to such a notion as “dangerous.“ Christian doctrine often discusses the difference between the ”flesh” (i.e. human behavior without the influence of the Lord) and “spirituality: (i.e. the way in which humans act when being guided by the Christian holy spirit).

It is quite possible that Leatherman was merely trying to draw a distinction between those who hate homosexuality to such a profound level and those who disagree with it, yet wish to act biblically toward gays. This is by no means a defense, rather it is an attempt to provide a well-rounded view of the discussion.

Listen to some of Leatherman’s alleged sermon, below:

(H/T: Huffington Post)

Comments (102)

1 2
  • Mr.Fitnah
    Posted on June 1, 2012 at 9:12pm

    What vile POS.

    Report Post » Mr.Fitnah  
  • DRAGONSEED
    Posted on June 1, 2012 at 5:50pm

    1. Anybody whose “flesh likes the idea of killing” is HOPELESSLY TWISTED. This guy should not be “preaching” to anyone. Our flesh, spirit, emotions and thoughts should RECOIL (not “like”) at the thought of killing anyone or anything–especially if it is only “different.”

    2. Hey, Blaze: Which is it? Leatherman or Weatherman? BLAZE FOLKS, you need to learn to PROOFREAD & CORRECT your sloppy errors. You’re holding yourself up as “journalists” (of a sort), and you need to start applying some standards of correctness (not the political kind, but correctness in your facts and grammatical/spelling accuracy). (Gonna keep harping on this till it sinks in… )

    Report Post » DRAGONSEED  
    • Rational Man
      Posted on June 2, 2012 at 5:17am

      Maybe you should take a little closer look at yourself in the light of scripture.

      The fact is, homosexuals are already on ‘death row’ awaiting the carrying out of their sentence. There is a pardon available to them if they choose to accept it. But it’s up to the individual.

      Report Post » Rational Man  
    • Too_Far_Gone
      Posted on June 2, 2012 at 11:36pm

      Dragonseed/satans seed

      There’s a name to trust.

      Report Post » Too_Far_Gone  
  • thibx
    Posted on June 1, 2012 at 4:58pm

    i say send them all to live in a muslim country.

    Report Post »  
  • mountainmover101
    Posted on June 1, 2012 at 4:53pm

    I cannot get inside this guy‘s head so I haven’t a clue as to what he is truly trying to do. If he ponders the idea of killing anyone then he isn’t following the teachings of Christ. Christ said clearly if you think a certain way about some deed that was tantamount to actually doing the deed.

    I will say he is clearly manking a distinction in sin. He erroneously thinks that sexual sin involving same gender participants is greater or somehow more egregious than sexual sin involving participants of different gender. There is NOWHERE in the Bible that makes this distinction. So as a pastor and shepard of a flock he is not only wrong but will be held to a higher standard than his congregants.

    I wonder how many people in his congregation are having premarital sex. I wonder how many women in his church have had children out of wedlock. These children are NOT covenant children by the way.
    I wonder how many people are divorced and remarried in his church.

    Sin is sin. I agree that a proclivity for homosexual ideation may not be voluntary, just like heterosexual ideation is not voluntary. Acting on the ideation is very deliberate.

    If a guy has sex outside the covenant of marriage, he is commiting sin regardless of the gender of the partner. If a woman has sex outside of the covenant of marriage, she is commiting sin regardless of the gender of the partner. There is NO distinction as to the gravity of the sin. The term the Bible uses is either fornication or adultery…

    Report Post »  
  • FlamingFartSyndrome
    Posted on June 1, 2012 at 3:53pm

    There are many verses in the Bible that discuss when it is appropriate to kill people, and there is the commandment by God that says, “Thou should not kill”. But why does this matter, we dont live in a theocracy, in fact we as conservatives resent things like Shari’ah Law, which is a theocracy. We dont resent Shari’ah Law simply because we dont believe in the behavior it tolerates, but because we understand that government should not be in charge of telling us how to live our lives.

    Report Post » FlamingFartSyndrome  
    • DisgustedinCT
      Posted on June 2, 2012 at 9:01am

      There are many verses in the Bible that discuss when it is appropriate to kill people, and there is the commandment by God that says, “Thou should not kill”.
      ——————–
      That is one of the most quoted commandments and people always get it wrong.

      It is “Thou shall not Murder”

      There is a big difference between killing someone and murdering them.

      Killing someone in defense of your life or your familys is Not a Sin.

      Going out and murdering someone for money, drugs, items etc.. is a Sin.

      See the difference?

      Report Post » DisgustedinCT  
    • SovereignSoul
      Posted on June 3, 2012 at 11:01am

      My Bible says, “Thou shalt not kill.”. Are you telling me the word of God contains an error?

      Report Post » SovereignSoul  
  • The Third Archon
    Posted on June 1, 2012 at 3:25pm

    Christians are wrong, the homosexuality is not immoral–simple as that. The whole of theological philosophy is centered around the unquestioning acceptance of moral codes taught to you, so why should we be surprised when the moral codes are inconsistent and archaic, formed at a time and place far removed from the situations to which they are applied, and never considered until they are FORCED to do so out of practical considerations (to cite one example, when they can no longer get away with stoning people to death for blasphemy because it is widely considered barbaric, it suddenly becomes no longer the moral prescription). This is an anemic, irrational, and arbitrary morality.

    True exemplary morality does not come without significant amounts of personal investment and a commitment to never be complacent in one’s morality but to ALWAYS be thinking about it, and reconsidering every moral notion one takes for granted. It is PRECISELY when we think or morality is “perfect” and needs no introspection (such as when we think it comes from “God”), for ANY reason, that our morality stagnates and becomes increasingly useless, disconnected with reality.

    Report Post » The Third Archon  
    • girlnurse
      Posted on June 1, 2012 at 4:32pm

      If sodomy between two men is not immoral-than beastiality, polygamy, pedophila…isn’t immoral either. Right?

      Report Post » girlnurse  
    • lukerw
      Posted on June 1, 2012 at 4:35pm

      In Christianity… the Church is a Calling Out of people… whom freely join… and reflect upon the Gospel. It does not propose a Toleration inside the Church for Opposition… nor should a Church threaten the OutSiders. This Gospels provides a Morality to prevent our Predator Species from wanton killing… but it claims the Universal Right to Self Defence.

      You are free to join any Religion, Sect, or Church.

      Report Post » lukerw  
    • Alessandre
      Posted on June 1, 2012 at 5:35pm

      @the 3rd Archon: True exemplary morality does not come without significant amounts of personal investment and a commitment to never be complacent in one’s morality but to ALWAYS be thinking about it, and reconsidering every moral notion one takes for granted. It is PRECISELY when we think or morality is “perfect” and needs no introspection (such as when we think it comes from “God”), for ANY reason, that our morality stagnates and becomes increasingly useless, disconnected with reality.

      Your statement makes no sense. You speak of “true exemplary morality” (tem) which can only exist if it‘s based in truth which doesn’t change. Then you go on to say tem requires “a commitment to never be complacent in one’s morality but to ALWAYS be thinking about it, and reconsidering every moral notion one takes for granted[]” which means it’s not based in truth because there might be some new proposition which would change ones morality. And then again you proclaim: “It is PRECISELY when we think or morality is “perfect” and needs no introspection (such as when we think it comes from “God”), for ANY reason, that our morality stagnates and becomes increasingly useless, disconnected with reality.” Examining ourselves because we’re human & get it wrong much of the time, yes. But w/o truth, there can be no examination because there is no standard for examination. You can’t have “true” anything w/o truth. (PS: You don’t have any idea who God is do you?)

      Report Post »  
    • DieselDave
      Posted on June 1, 2012 at 6:50pm

      I have an Atheist Homosexual family member. They say “They need everyone to accept their choices”. I disapprove of and do not accept their poor choices. It’s their, “Need to be open about their Atheism & Homosexuality.”, rather than the fact that they are Atheist or Homosexual. It’s against Christian moral rules to have sex with my girlfriend too. So… I don‘t openly let either folks know what’s going on. It would make them uncomfortable. Pre-marital sex is probably a bad idea for many different reasons. I don’t ask that anyone else accept it. I just keep my blankety blank mouth shut.
      The openly Homosexual folks that I know seem to hold the view that the more folks they can directly offend by belligerently broadcasting their homosexuality the better.
      WHY? Do your thing, if you must, and leave me and everyone else alone about it. I don’t care if you hold hands or give em a quick peck. But there’s a time and place for the other stuff. Don’t expect me to accept your choices by force. I won’t.
      Just like asking an Atheist to go to Church. Leave em alone. I believe in God and you don’t. Great. If you ask a God question I might answer it so suck it up. If you don‘t want to talk about God then don’t bring it up. There’s plenty of other things to talk about.

      Report Post » DieselDave  
    • SovereignSoul
      Posted on June 1, 2012 at 7:33pm

      Careful. I think premarital sex might be an abomination. GASP!!

      Report Post » SovereignSoul  
    • themachinist239
      Posted on June 6, 2012 at 9:54am

      “Do your thing, if you must, and leave me and everyone else alone about it. I don’t care if you hold hands or give em a quick peck. But there’s a time and place for the other stuff. Don’t expect me to accept your choices by force.” —It‘s always fascinated me why religious people that share your belief always act like a gay person’s personal bedroom activity is thrust into their faces. I‘ve never met a gay person that didn’t have the same tact and reserve that I have required to keep individual sexual behaviors private. I’ve never met a gay person who expressed their love for their gf/bf any differently than the hetero couples (the same benign kissing, embracing, etc). This whole “the gays shove it down our throats” narrative is political and doesn’t reflect reality.

      “I don‘t openly let either folks know what’s going on. It would make them uncomfortable.” —Again, I’ve never come across a gay person who makes unsolicited summaries of their sexual activities. If they did, I would be uncomfortable and let them know. I have however met many hetero men and women who see it as totally appropriate to interject their sexual lives into normal conversation. It all means that there are crude as well as decent people of all sexual orientations. Just be honest and admit that you’re offended by the existence of gays.

      Report Post »  
  • paperpushermj
    Posted on June 1, 2012 at 2:21pm

    To all those Religion haters out there, this is the perfect example of why we as a Civilization NEED RELIGION.
    .
    .” Kill them all. Right? I will be very honest with you. My flesh kind of likes that idea. But it grieves the Holy Spirit. It violates Scripture. It is wrong”.

    Report Post » paperpushermj  
    • The Third Archon
      Posted on June 1, 2012 at 3:44pm

      Funny, how those who AREN‘T religious generally don’t have the problem of thinking gays deserve to die IN THE FIRST PLACE.

      You can’t point to a problem YOUR RELIGION created (the moral stigmatization of homosexuality), and then provides a check against and say “look! SEE how necessary religion is!”

      You completely ignore the possibility that it’s only BECAUSE of theism and the refusal to introspect and ask the critical question, SHOULD you feel the way you do? WHY do you think something is immoral? Is it because someone TOLD you it is immoral? Is it because you have an emotional reaction to it, and is that a good basis for morality?

      These are the important questions never asked, nay which CANNOT be asked, in any ideology (including theology) which prescribes an a priori moral code for its adherents, rather than suggesting how they can develop methods of moral practice FOR THEMSELVES. No two situations are EVER exactly identical, and for this reason a priori moral codes will ALWAYS be insufficient.

      Report Post » The Third Archon  
    • nonofmybiznez
      Posted on June 1, 2012 at 3:53pm

      If you find this repulsive, hold on. Sharia Law is coming and so is Iran.

      Report Post » nonofmybiznez  
    • The Third Archon
      Posted on June 1, 2012 at 4:24pm

      Doubtful.

      Even if what you say is true–good, bring them on! I’m not afraid of people who have abdicated reason–they are DESTINED for defeat.

      Report Post » The Third Archon  
    • Alessandre
      Posted on June 1, 2012 at 5:47pm

      @3rd Archon: but those who aren’t religious do proclaim that others ought to die: pedophiles, heinous criminals, serial killers, people who insist on believing in God, conservatives, babies in the womb, etc. The problem is a human problem. Human beings w/o the grace of God (whether they acknowledge it or not) want to kill certain other human beings for a variety of reasons. The more we have to lose, the more we live under the rule of law, the less we feel personally called to kill. But it’s still part of us. Just read liberal blogs & atheist blogs – many of them include articles & or comments that speak of killing someone who has either committed a heinous crime or with whom the writer disagrees or a baby growing in the womb. That “true exemplary morality” isn’t as simple as not proclaiming the desire to kill gays. It must include, not proclaiming the desire to kill anyone including babies in the womb & then, not killing anyone.

      Report Post »  
  • Jesus-loves-Johnny
    Posted on June 1, 2012 at 1:29pm

    Since this is my >FIRST< Post here on TheBlaze I am going to 'ruff' you in and try to keep it short… I've been a life long Reg. (D) having come from a family that have been since they fractured off from the wigg party, long time. I never have been a "Party Line" voter. I have made [one] great mistake in 1976 and voted for JEC, and a "Grand Mistake" it was!
    Parsing words is a [favorite] of all peoples & parties, its just a fact of life. There is nothing more "dangerous" than a (sound bite) i.e. a 'parsing' of a word or meaning i.e. 'intent' to declare a thing and then rely on a clip of what you said to be repeated in the sentimate in which you were framing your argument on the subject at hand either pro or con. I find just this such thing at work here in this case having listened carefully to the ["tone"] of the pastor and became very aware he was in no way wanting "Gay's" to be singled out for particular harm or cruelity to befall them while also balancing the scales to show others that it cannot be taken as harmless as drinking a glass of water that as 'normal' as that may seem there are "inherent" dangers to this kind of conduct and that the Heavenly Father [ In The Beginning ] him being GOD and therefore being HOLY was infallable and NEVER created the sexes ever become anything but opposite when it come to matters of pro-creation! Folks it was then, and for the last 6,000 yrs has been "impossible" for two of the same kind to [pro-create]! That i

    Report Post » Jesus-loves-Johnny  
    • JimL
      Posted on June 1, 2012 at 1:48pm

      Scribble

      Report Post »  
    • jzs
      Posted on June 1, 2012 at 2:12pm

      Johnny, welcome. You have just broken the Blaze record for the longest run-on sentence.

      Report Post » jzs  
    • SovereignSoul
      Posted on June 1, 2012 at 2:51pm

      We should build a fence about 100 or 150 miles long and electrify it. Then we shoud put all the illiterates in there and maybe drop some food out of a helicopter once a week. After awhile, they will die out because no one will understand their cries for help.
      On second thought, that might be a bad idea. Sorry!

      Report Post » SovereignSoul  
    • burnbabylon
      Posted on June 1, 2012 at 3:03pm

      @ sovereignsoul
      lmao

      Report Post »  
  • BenFrank1791
    Posted on June 1, 2012 at 12:51pm

    Hating someone for being gay is about a far away from Christ as you can get. Chirst thought all sinners were worth saving… after all he bet his life on it.

    “What I require is mercy….

    Report Post » BenFrank1791  
    • Kathleen
      Posted on June 1, 2012 at 3:29pm

      Spot on and I would bet that God would be more angry with a man who preaches hate in His name than with someone who may not be aware of their sin.

      Report Post »  
  • KeystoneState
    Posted on June 1, 2012 at 12:35pm

    Sheesh, I’m so sick of this issue. What a person does with his, her, or ?’s own private parts, so long as who ever its with is of age, consenting, and human, is none of my business, and nor is mine theirs, so long as any consequences of their actions do not become the responsibilities of anyone other then themselves. God can judge just fine on his own and dosent need anyone’s help, so mind your own business people, and stop being busybodies, Ugh, can we move the heck on already!

    Report Post » KeystoneState  
    • KeystoneState
      Posted on June 1, 2012 at 12:46pm

      And no, I ain’t gay! Lol!

      Report Post » KeystoneState  
    • BuzzardSays
      Posted on June 1, 2012 at 12:46pm

      Agree! But, then the beasts of this world are encroaching into the meadow in which the sheep reside. The beasts are free to inhabit their fields but being the sinners they are will not be satisfied with staying out of the meadow. They want their gay pride parades and their homosexual marriages and the teaching of their perversions in the schools. Their filth is pervasive and gets a strong NAY Saying from the Christian crowd. We are after all the final bastion of truth in a world gone mad. Because we recognize God’s truth from His biblical narrative found in the bible. If you have not discovered the bible you should try to read it. Uh! Romans 1:18-32 should help you get the point. Wake up Americia

      Report Post » BuzzardSays  
    • phillyatheist
      Posted on June 1, 2012 at 12:48pm

      queer! lol. i couldn’t resist!

      Report Post » phillyatheist  
  • davecorkery
    Posted on June 1, 2012 at 11:55am

    My pastor says that homos can’t have kids, so it must be those
    Hetr-o-sekshuls that are makings the gays. So lets round up all the hetros and put them behind a fence and kill them. That should fix the problem!

    Faith is no reason.

    Report Post »  
    • BuzzardSays
      Posted on June 1, 2012 at 12:20pm

      This is a good question to ask… (I am expressing my internal dialoging conscience – on loan by God)

      Being the fact that there is Agape, Phileo, and Eros as the types of expressions of love, we would assume that Agape is solely owned by ,and doled out, by our God, and demonstrated by Jesus in His propitious act on the cross. Eros is obviously too personal and is meant for the man/woman marriage pact. Which means the only remaining type is Phileo which Jesus commands us through the love your neighbor as yourself verse. But on an immediate sliding scale 0 through 10 there have got to be times when Phileo cannot be provided magnanimously because of any wrong/sin being committed by your neighbor, against you, or society at large in an immediate way. I assume this is why we lock the doors of our homes, and cars, when we leave them because although we might love our neighbor we are unwilling to let him take, via five-finger-discount, what we have striven to buy, fix-up, or make livable.

      It is easy to love those who love us in return but I really struggle with how far would I be willing to extend Phileo caring for those who wish to do me or my family and circle-of-friends harm? God can grant enough love in a soldiers heart to jump on a grenade to save his fellow comrades. But, again that is for his fellow comrades.

      Report Post » BuzzardSays  
    • BuzzardSays
      Posted on June 1, 2012 at 12:21pm

      It is much easier to love those men and women who are brethren in Christ, which are our comrades of like-minded endeavor under Christ. But, as for the men and women who are outside of that circle it would be best to offer the Gospel and let God change them into brethren that are lovable. We by ourselves can only offer the Gospel before Phileo or even Agape love can be offered, and I suppose that offering stems from Phileo love, and even sometimes Agape love.

      It is difficult for me to have witnessed the cannibalism in Miami, perpetrated by that man, insane on Bath Salts(mind-altering-drugs) and think…”Love that man”, I am sorry but I believe he received his justice from the police officer who shot him dead, and then God. Now what about the poor victim…help him, help the poor police officers who had to witness such depravity, and the doctors who need special guidance from God to assist in the man’s recovery and potential face replacement, and pray for society at large which has been impacted by yet another sickened individuals act of lunacy which hastens the slide further towards Gomorrah. In that one single act the world has seen the filthy rags side of humanity and it should sicken the world to say enough of foolishly consuming any mind-altering drugs if it is going to make me, he, she, they, into a flesh eating cannibals.

      God help us! In Jesus’ name.

      Report Post » BuzzardSays  
    • Walkabout
      Posted on June 1, 2012 at 4:55pm

      davecorkery

      My pastor says that homos can’t have kids, so it must be those Hetr-o-sekshuls that are makings the gays. So lets round up all the hetros and put them behind a fence and kill them. That should fix the problem!

      Depends on whether the cause is a meme or gene. It depends if it is like all the other traits we debate about whether it is nurture or nature.

      You are so sarcastic. So back at you. If they find the gay gene maybe hetero couples will abort babies if they test positive for particular alleles. You’ll get your wish. Many parents of gay children said they would not want to go thru it again.

      What the heck, if gendercide is acceptable then gabicide must be acceptable to Planned Parenthoodz & the rest of the left too. Just saying.

      If it is a memes are the cause, then it is a choice. Have a nice day

      Report Post »  
    • MRMANN
      Posted on June 2, 2012 at 8:04am

      Think I’ll join your church.

      Report Post »  
  • DarthMims
    Posted on June 1, 2012 at 11:53am

    This pastor actually is defendable. The point I believe he was trying to make is that we are all sinners, and we are sinners by the flesh. No matter what our flesh wants us to do, we must do what God wants us to do and abide by the teachings of Christ. He could have been a little clearer on drawing his analogy, but I don’t believe there is any intentional threat involved.

    Report Post » DarthMims  
    • BuzzardSays
      Posted on June 1, 2012 at 12:29pm

      The problem is that velvet covered gloves are not in order as society lurches towards Gomorrah. The angels smote the homosexuals with blindness who were trying to get at them through Lots door.

      They did not go outside and try to calm them down. Now did they? Irrational beasts of the field are not allowed to comingle with the sheep of the meadow. The Good Shepard seperates the two and as long as the beast stay where the beasts belong and the sheep stay where the sheep belong then friction and problems are avoided. Unfortunately the sheer number of the beasts have increased and the meadow for the sheep is being encroached upon via acts of rebellion as in the homosexual marriage agenda which is an attempt to legitimize their own beastly nature and thus delegitimize the sheeply nature. God will provide justice enough. We need say no more but we will stand our ground.

      Report Post » BuzzardSays  
    • phillyatheist
      Posted on June 1, 2012 at 12:35pm

      “we must do what God wants us to do and abide by the teachings of Christ”

      must we? must the Muslims, Hindus, and Buddhists? you seem to forget that your Religion isn’t the only game in town (planet Earth). 3/4 of the world sees this differently, but i‘m sure you’re right.

      Report Post » phillyatheist  
    • DWilliams08
      Posted on June 2, 2012 at 5:42am

      History has proven that someone this obsessed with homosexuality (my flesh wants to kill them) is only a short time away from getting caught in a mens room or a seedy hotel room with a dude. The obsession is some kind of latent homosexuality.

      Report Post » DWilliams08  
    • DWilliams08
      Posted on June 2, 2012 at 5:45am

      I guarantee he is nowhere near as obsessed with murder, stealing, or anything worthy enough to make it into the commandments.

      Report Post » DWilliams08  
  • YourVoiceMatters
    Posted on June 1, 2012 at 11:48am

    Instead of castigating ministers for having heart problems..
    a mirror might help those of you who want to cast stones at the minister ..
    because you are ALL operating under the same spirit…hate!
    If there were any honesty in this converstation
    where is the truth about the lifestyle these are leading and
    the consequences for them in their life day to day…
    That has not been brought up by those for and those against gay lifestyle.
    Is it abject ignorance?.. Come on.
    People if they knew what they were facing in their own body,
    would by their own volition take a step back ?
    Rather than ignorantly enticing young people to waltz into this
    dangerous, dibilatating often deadly lifestyle…
    But there is not one bit of honesty from either side…
    There are consequences to this and
    shouldn’t everyone who would considering this be aware of all they face …
    So try the TRUTH first!
    Then choose which way you want to go!
    As it stands now
    you are all hateful and clueless…

    Report Post »  
    • BuzzardSays
      Posted on June 1, 2012 at 12:33pm

      Case in point…the gay porn star cannibal sicko preying upon society. Can we summon the intestinal fortitude to point at that and say that is bad and that gay man needs to be caught, tried, and hung for his crimes. YES!

      Report Post » BuzzardSays  
    • deeberj
      Posted on June 1, 2012 at 1:04pm

      I do not hate the minister. I actually understand what point he was attempting to make. But there’s nothing wrong with me looking at what he said and deciding it was not a good way to say it and he should have said it another way.

      It’s not hate to use your brain and knowledge of the bible, and to listen to the Holy Spirit’s guidance regarding which messages preached are godly and good and fine to listen to and which ones are not. This is not hate, this is how I keep myself from going down the path of following and believing something that is not right or good.

      Report Post » deeberj  
  • MONICNE
    Posted on June 1, 2012 at 11:38am

    Man, if this keeps up, it will ruin the upcoming weekend i.e., “Blaze holiday” for our local PatrioTrolls and FauxMerican FauxTributors!

    Get ready for a bucolic bug tussle ’bout biblical boinkery! Sundee schule starts early LOL!

    TEA- It’s about TAXES, not ta-ta s

    Report Post » MONICNE  
    • BuzzardSays
      Posted on June 1, 2012 at 12:38pm

      Uh! You are a poetic odd-duck. What are you saying??? Good, bad, indifferent.
      My position: The pastor gets an A1 pass from this fellow Christian. It is my duty too Phileo love the individual and pray for his connection to God through His Holy Spirit to be strengthened, and he be shown what to do, and to be given the words to lead.

      You on the other hand are using the word “Boinkery”. Are you yourself gay?

      Report Post » BuzzardSays  
    • deeberj
      Posted on June 1, 2012 at 1:00pm

      Monicne – I never agree with your posts, but at least I can always understand what you are saying. Did you forget to take your meds today? You are making no sense.

      Report Post » deeberj  
    • MRMANN
      Posted on June 2, 2012 at 10:44am

      “bibical boinkery” — hilarious

      Report Post »  
  • vaman
    Posted on June 1, 2012 at 11:12am

    An eye for an eye. He who lives by the sword dies by the sword. The paster who commented gays should be in cages has closed his church and him and his family are on the run because of death threats. What could be expected? When you use your religion to profess hate and violence on one group, than expect the same in return. This closet case “pastor” will be receiving the same soon. If these god christians could learn to control their hate, the world would be a better place.

    Report Post »  
  • ChiefGeorge
    Posted on June 1, 2012 at 11:10am

    The flesh of non-believers feels the same way about the Pastor and Christians. Atleast the Pastor is willing to admit is error. By doing so, he has shown the world that if they act out this evil that they are guilty of a crime against humanity and thus the penalty is death and separation from God forever.

    Report Post » ChiefGeorge  
    • encinom
      Posted on June 1, 2012 at 12:17pm

      At least its good to know that Pastor’s realize they are preaching hate and evil.

      Report Post »  
  • JimL
    Posted on June 1, 2012 at 11:08am

    We all are standing in the pulpit.

    Everything is recorded and nothing is forgotten.

    Trust and forgiveness or division, our “free” choice.

    Report Post »  
  • DirtyDeeds
    Posted on June 1, 2012 at 11:02am

    Someone needs to tell the pastor that sin is committed in the heart first. His sin would be murder. Sin is for God to judge only, if he was man that believed the gospel he would not look down upon anyone but lift them up. Jesus went to the people who needed him, I have a feeling Jesus would go help this “pastor.” As people we should be respectful (this doesn’t mean accepting), respect goes both ways and if you are Christian we should love others as Christ loves the Church and let God sort us out in the end.

    Report Post » DirtyDeeds  
    • girlnurse
      Posted on June 1, 2012 at 5:01pm

      Right!
      Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God,” for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempts no one. But each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire. Then desire when it has conceived gives birth to sin, and sin when it is fully grown brings forth death.

      —James 1:13-15

      Report Post » girlnurse  
  • Glynrd Skynrd
    Posted on June 1, 2012 at 11:01am

    As Archie Bunker would say to the pastor, “Stiffle it DINGBAT!”

    Report Post » Glynrd Skynrd  
  • Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
    Posted on June 1, 2012 at 10:52am

    The flesh moves as the spirit wills. This man has betrayed his evil spirit. He should be shunned in the greatest traditions of the Amish. Alas, I expect far more turbo-Christians on the Blaze to come to his defense and to express sympathy for his sentiment that all gays should be killed by whatever means.

    Report Post » Lesbian Packing Hollow Points  
    • DirtyDeeds
      Posted on June 1, 2012 at 11:05am

      What did you just try to say. I am glad I couldn’t understand it because it may have made my head explode if I was able to understand your thought.

      Report Post » DirtyDeeds  
    • RLTW
      Posted on June 1, 2012 at 11:08am

      Had the sermon been about progressive Marxist D-bags I may agree, but then I’m a civilized man.

      Report Post »  
    • sawbuck
      Posted on June 1, 2012 at 11:09am

      Common HPLP really…?
      Christian 101.…Hate the sin…not the sinner..!
      Vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord.. Love your enemies..
      Turn the other cheek …I can go on.

      This Pastor is Not helping the cause of Christ.

      I think we all have thoughts “pop” into our head.
      It something entirely different to “entertain”…a idea.
      That leads to “acting’ on it…

      Report Post » sawbuck  
    • Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
      Posted on June 1, 2012 at 11:29am

      @ Sawbuck:
      But this guy didn’t just have the thought pop into his head, he also evinced that thought in act and deed, specificly, he talked about doing it.

      Report Post » Lesbian Packing Hollow Points  
  • Zeke2020
    Posted on June 1, 2012 at 10:43am

    I guess you’ve never heard of “righteous indignation.” Granted, there‘s always the caveat that we’re ALL sinners and there‘s the danger that we’ll focus on the splinter in our brother’s eye and not see the log in our own. But no one is running around claiming that other sinful behavior is okay, as homosexuals and their supporters are doing. No one is running around saying that pedophilia, necrophilia, bestiality, and various other deviant practices are perfectly fine. So, yeah, I can see exaclty where he’s comng from.

    For other examples of righteous indignation, read the Bible. Of course if you haven’t read the Bible, then that’s part of your problem right there…

    Report Post » Zeke2020  
    • phillyatheist
      Posted on June 1, 2012 at 10:51am

      why is homosexuality a sin? please give an answer other than “cuz the Bible says so.”

      Report Post » phillyatheist  
    • LemonyFresh
      Posted on June 1, 2012 at 11:04am

      Well, Philly first lets see why you think it is good.

      Report Post » LemonyFresh  
    • Zeke2020
      Posted on June 1, 2012 at 11:13am

      Gladly. Homosexuality, even from a POV devoid of religion, is USELESS and a perversion of the intended function of sexual organs.

      - From a strictly Darwinistic and naturalistic POV, homosexuality does NOTHING to further the species. One could even argue that it RETARDS the species because it doesn’t permit reproduction and the necessary generational changes which help a species evolve. (I’m not a Darwinist, I’m simply illustrating how even from that POV homosexuality is worthless.)

      - Followed to it’s logical conclusion homosexuality, if adopted by all members of a species, would cause the eventual EXTINCTION of that species. It is therefore UNNATURAL.

      - Sometimes the argument is made that certain animals engage in homosexual behavior and therefore it must be “natural.” Well, some animals engage in cannibalism, fratricide, infanticide, and other deviant behaviors. Do we call those “normal” or argue that it’s okay for humans to engage in them as well? I think not. Black Widow Spiders and and Praying Mantises come to mind.

      - Homosexuality is no different than any other vice such as alcoholism, drug abuse, promiscuity, or compulsive gambling. The only difference is that no one is running around saying that it’s perfectly okay to be a drug addict or an alcoholic.

      Hope this helps….

      ;-)

      Report Post » Zeke2020  
    • jland
      Posted on June 1, 2012 at 11:14am

      Philly why is homosexuality not a sin? please give an answer other than “because I think its okay”? I guess that guy in Miami thought it was okay to eat human flesh, and the assistant coach at Penn State thought it was okay to molest boys, etc.

      Report Post »  
    • vaman
      Posted on June 1, 2012 at 11:15am

      Philly…
      Don’t forget “because its always been that way” as the other reason. Clear thinking god fearing people as always.

      Report Post »  
    • phillyatheist
      Posted on June 1, 2012 at 12:00pm

      thanks for the answers.

      “Followed to it’s logical conclusion homosexuality, if adopted by all members of a species, would cause the eventual EXTINCTION of that species. It is therefore UNNATURAL.”‘

      i’m not sure i get this one. why would the logical conclusion be for all humans to become gay? i’m straight, and nothing could ever change that.

      “Homosexuality is no different than any other vice such as alcoholism, drug abuse, promiscuity, or compulsive gambling. The only difference is that no one is running around saying that it’s perfectly okay to be a drug addict or an alcoholic.”

      i think it is quite different. it’s sexual preference, nothing more. as a straight man, i’m not attracted to heavyset women. that’s a sexual preference. and it’s pretty hard if not impossible to change. what you listed are habits, which aren’t necessarily hard-wired into a person. you seem to believe that being gay is a choice. if that were the case, i might be inclined to agree with you. but it is not.

      as for why i don‘t think it’s a sin – i don’t think that what 2 adults choose to do with their own life is any of my business, so long as it doesn’t hurt others. it a married couple choose to engage in deranged sexual practices, that is none of my business. same with a gay couple. it simply doesn’t matter to me. and i don’t understand why it matters to so many other people.

      Report Post » phillyatheist  
    • girlnurse
      Posted on June 1, 2012 at 4:36pm

      To ATHIEST and friends. Here ya go…EVERYTHING I would say only no typing.
      Watch the series, “Nothing Gay about it” 1-6. Enjoy!
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcK539YHKds&feature=player_embedded

      Report Post » girlnurse  
    • DeavonReye
      Posted on June 1, 2012 at 4:50pm

      girlnurse, your avatar rocks!

      Report Post » DeavonReye  
    • girlnurse
      Posted on June 1, 2012 at 5:19pm

      Thx! Yours too:)

      Report Post » girlnurse  
    • Alessandre
      Posted on June 1, 2012 at 6:57pm

      @GirkNurse: thanks for the link to the Frank Turek video. very helpful.

      Report Post »  
    • themachinist239
      Posted on June 6, 2012 at 11:11am

      “Homosexuality, even from a POV devoid of religion, is USELESS and a perversion of the intended function of sexual organs.” —-Well then so is ALL non-essential sexual activity, except Christians don‘t demonize other ’misuses’ of organs the same way they demonize homosexuality. I don’t remember seeing a group of people ever protesting the concept of masturbation.

      “One could even argue that it RETARDS the species because it doesn’t permit reproduction and the necessary generational changes which help a species evolve.” —-That’s because you have a poor understanding of evolution, as do all members of a religion that rejects its very notion. Like it or not, homosexuality is a human trait just like anything else that has always been part of our genetic makeup and has not hindered humans’ ability to evolve. Please do not suddenly pretend to embrace objective science simply because you think a selective interpretation benefits your argument. Nothing about what you said is ‘Darwinistic’.

      Report Post »  
  • sawbuck
    Posted on June 1, 2012 at 10:38am

    Way to go Pastor…!
    Nothing like supplying more ammo..!
    Atheist are already trying to tie Islam and Christianity together saying both are religions of hate…

    Report Post » sawbuck  
    • phillyatheist
      Posted on June 1, 2012 at 10:45am

      an argument can be made that the extremists of both faiths have much in common. certainly, this kind of speech would qualify. it is sad, and i don’t think it represents the majority of Christians. it’s a slippery slope though, and one that i hope remains a fringe element amongst American Believers.

      Report Post » phillyatheist  
  • Master K
    Posted on June 1, 2012 at 10:35am

    The Bible says Christians are to speak the truth in love (Ephesians 4:15). A professor of mine once described that as two wings of an airplane. You can speak the truth (homosexuality is a perversion of God’s gift of marriage and sexuality) but without love (without actually caring about the spiritual wellbeing of those trapped in homosexuality), you won‘t win anyone over and it won’t be God-pleasing. On the other hand if you speak with love (care about them) but without truth (accepting the gay movement as perfectly normal), you won’t be doing those people any favors, and it won’t be God-pleasing. You need to speak the truth with love to be effective and to be pleasing to God.

    These pastors that have been claiming gay people should all die and the Westboro Baptist Church are prime examples of speaking the “truth” completely void of love. Yes Christians should warn gay people that they’re on a path to hell, but we should do it out of love and concern for their souls, not out of hate and disgust.

    Report Post »  
  • broker0101
    Posted on June 1, 2012 at 10:22am

    There is absolutely NO DOUBT that many of you Blazers feel exactly the same way in your heart of hearts but will never admit it.

    Report Post » broker0101  
    • DoseofReality
      Posted on June 1, 2012 at 10:47am

      Of course there is no doubt – look at ANY story that even mentions gay people and read the posts…..some scary stuff out there.

      Report Post »  
    • ChiefGeorge
      Posted on June 1, 2012 at 11:13am

      I think my posts are clear and so is my conscious. Good luck with that condemnation issue you seem to have.

      Report Post » ChiefGeorge  
    • LemonyFresh
      Posted on June 1, 2012 at 11:17am

      Keep in mind that everyone who speaks against homos are not zealots. I would bet that the majority of those who would hurt homos are not religious at all or have not yet realized what they have been forgiven for. I venture to guess that all kinds of folks do not like homos. So lets try not to lump those against the movement into a religious group. If they are Christians and think of killing then they have sinned just by the thought of it. Tell you what; don’t judge Christians via what immature/new Christians say and do and we won’t judge the **** crowd via what we see their “deviants” doing. Society has a norm and it being bent by ANY group is not good. If you happen to like the same sex for whatever reason then just keep it to yourself not everyone has to know. Tolerance has gone a long way for the gay movement. It will continue to unless the boundary is set beyond what tolerance allows. You will know when tolerance has worn thin and I think is has begun to. Society can cope but there must be a balance. I do not want a theocracy anymore than I want a “free for all” society.

      Report Post » LemonyFresh  
    • encinom
      Posted on June 1, 2012 at 12:18pm

      Little difference between the Pastors this week on the Blaze, the average poster and the Westboro Church.

      Report Post »  
    • girlnurse
      Posted on June 1, 2012 at 5:15pm

      Now these people really “do” kill people for homosexuality!
      http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/sep/07/iran-executes-men-homosexuality-charges

      Any stories and rumour of these far out Crazy christians actually wanting to kill homosexuals is something they had to search far and wide for. I know many devout Christians and NEVER would any one advocate killing someone for their sexual preference. That is ridiculous and if it ever came to pass 98% of Christians would fight on your side. Most of us could care less what you do in your own bedrooms–but it would be really nice if you would quit pushing us on passing laws that it MUST be accepted-taught in schools or giving special preferences to someone based on their sex choices…..(hate crimes, etc.) that is NOT going to cut it. The bullying by Dan Savage and his ilk needs to stop.
      That is really what most Christians are upset about.

      Report Post » girlnurse  
    • girlnurse
      Posted on June 1, 2012 at 5:21pm

      ie: I mean….Shoving it down our throats…so to speak

      Report Post » girlnurse  
    • constitutionparty
      Posted on June 2, 2012 at 10:44am

      You have no idea what you are talking about. Most of the anti gay posts here are by liberals that just try to make this site look bad. I don’t understand why even go to this site if you disagree with everything here. Oh yeah… you have to report back to Soros and Obama. Liberals won’t be happy until you destroy this country with debt. Be careful what you wish for! You are just a useful idiot to them!

      Report Post »  
  • blackyb
    Posted on June 1, 2012 at 10:20am

    If his flesh “kinda likes the idea” of killing anyone he needs to be in another profession. His flesh needs to get some mental help. Hope his flesh takes the rest of him with it to get the help.

    Report Post » blackyb  
    • nelbert
      Posted on June 1, 2012 at 10:27am

      Well said, BlackyB.

      Report Post » nelbert  
    • phillyatheist
      Posted on June 1, 2012 at 10:47am

      lol. and who TALKS like that. i‘m not sure i’ve ever heard someone discussing how their flesh feels before :)

      Report Post » phillyatheist  
    • deeberj
      Posted on June 1, 2012 at 12:54pm

      Phillyathiest – you‘ve never heard this sort of talk about the flesh before probably because you don’t attend church much? At least I think by your name.

      The flesh is our earthly bodies and it’s appetites. As Christians we are supposed to restrain ourselves and follow Christ’s example of how to live. Killing someone we don’t like is something we ought to be restraining.

      I personally do not like the way he worded what he said. If you read it in context it isn’t as bad as pulling out that sentence. I am a Christian but don’t HATE gays. They sin just like everyone alive sins. I just don’t like how our society has come to accept sin as normal. Any sin.

      Personally my “flesh” does not want to kill Homesexuals. If his flesh is feeling that way, he needs a closer relationship to God. He needs to be seeking God’s face for himself.

      Report Post » deeberj  
    • girlnurse
      Posted on June 1, 2012 at 5:06pm

      Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

      —Galatians 5:19-21

      Report Post » girlnurse  
1 2

Sign In To Post Comments! Sign In

Sign Up For Our Newsletter!

Glenn Beck Radio

Listen to Glenn Beck 24/7 Listen Now
Restoring Love