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Pastor Rick Warren Cancels Obama-Romney ‘Civil Forum’ Because Candidates Are Too Uncivil

Pastor Rick Warren Cancels Obama Romney Civil Forum Because Candidates Are Too Uncivil

WASHINGTON, DC - JULY 24: Pastor Rick Warren speaks at The Elton John AIDS Foundation and UNAIDS breakfast at the Russell Senate Office Building on July 24, 2012 in Washington, DC. Credit: Getty Images North America

WASHINGTON (TheBlaze/AP) — Pastor Rick Warren says he’s canceled plans for a “civil forum” featuring the presidential candidates because their campaign is so uncivil.

Neither the Obama campaign nor the Romney campaign says their candidate had committed to appearing at the forum at Warren’s Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, Calif., near Los Angeles. However Warren said that both candidates had indicated they were interested and the church had started traffic and security planning. The forum had been planned for this week.

In an interview published Wednesday by the Orange County Register, Warren said the forum’s goal was to promote civility and personal respect between people with major differences. He said that‘s not been the climate of the presidential campaign and that he doesn’t expect that to change.

“We created the civil forums to promote civility and personal respect between people with major differences,” Warren told the paper. “The forums are meant to be a place where people of goodwill can seriously disagree on significant issues without being disagreeable or resorting to personal attack and name-calling. But that is not the climate of today’s campaign. I’ve never seen more irresponsible personal attacks, mean-spirited slander, and flat-out dishonest attack ads, and I don’t expect that tone to change before the election.”

“It would be hypocritical to pretend civility for one evening only to have the name-calling return the next day,” he added.

But that isn’t the only reason. In a question-and-answer format published on the Register’s site, Warren reveals there’s another larger issue that led to the cancellation [emphasis added]:

Q. You said you canceled the presidential civil forum because of the negativity and a larger issue. What is that?

A. It is the crumbling of our constitution’s first guaranteed freedom: the freedom of religion. This issue is more significant and has far greater implications for America’s future. People have forgotten that America was founded by people who came here to escape religious persecution. Freedom of religion is the first freedom mentioned in the Bill of Rights – before freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom to assemble, and every other freedom.

And yet today, at the city, the state, and the federal levels, government bureaucrats are daily trying to limit that freedom, impose restrictions, and stifle expressions of faith on campuses, in hospitals, and in businesses. There are widespread attempts to redefine the First Amendment to simply mean “You are free to believe anything at your place of worship but you are not free to practice your conscience elsewhere.”

The constitution doesn’t just guarantee your freedom to worship; it guarantees you freedom from government intervention in you daily living out what you believe. That‘s why we’ve chosen to host a civil forum on religious freedom in September instead of the presidential forum. It’s a fight for the constitution, not a personality.

Warren held a candidate forum in 2008 with Obama and Republican John McCain.

 

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  • zipzap
    Posted on August 23, 2012 at 10:24am

    Rick should return to Christian pastoring and leave the limelight to the experts.

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    • Sirfoldallot
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 10:31am

      If u think this 1 is bad wait ( if there is another 1 ) till the next 1.

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    • The Realist
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 10:55am

      GOOD RIDDANCE. Apparently Ricky did get the memo: WE ARE IN A FIGHT FOR THE VERY LIFE OF OUR COUNTRY! This isn’t any old election here buddy! As for Obama being uncivil-he’s a Marxist-communist-WHAT DO YOU EXPECT? Have you not figured that out yet either Ricky? I’m THRILLED that Romney IS finally getting on with the WELL DESERVED attacks on Obama! Is this guy for real? I’m about to VOMIT!

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    • netmail
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 10:59am

      Right….neither side wants to be civil. Each side wants to win and dominate and eventually one side will. Let’s go!!

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    • Female
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 11:38am

      Freedom of Religion!

      At first, I skimmed the article with disappointment, going straight for the comment section for reading. I was ready to be very negative toward Warren and prepared to call him a “coward”. I was annoyed because regardless of my opinion of mega-church, I wanted somebody other than leftie journalists to moderate a debate. Well, I felt that old, familiar check in my spirit to skim again! Yikes, I am wrong, again, yes, I said wrong:(

      Apparently, Warren is actually usng his platform to correct Obama’ first on the civility, and more importantly…..religious freedom!

      Please see it! Warren is boycotting Obama based on policies effecting religious freedom and civility. He is so thoroughly disappointed in the artificial color and sweetners of the “koolaid”, not going to allow it in his church!

      I am not sure if he has issues with Romney or Ryan, I guess it will be a wait, listen, and see. Here it could be the old anti-mormon and anti-catholic protestant prejudice, but again he says he is doing Freedom of Religion conference..so, I suppose not!

      Sorry, for repeating myself, I want my comment readand pg 2 takes patience?

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    • The Realist
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 11:39am

      I’ll take being “dominated” by a Mormon with a long history of good business experience to apply to our economy, and a solid conservative, intelligent VP, over a Muslim Marxist-communist and a mental patient for a VP ANY day myself.

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    • Female
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 11:41am

      Click and paste from article:

      “Q. What do you think are the candidates’ views of religious freedom?

      A. President Obama’s policies clearly show what he values and I have told him that I adamantly disagree with those particular policies. I have not talked about this issue with Governor Romney, but I would imagine that as a Mormon he’d obviously understand the importance of protecting all religions against persecution, and ensuring people’s rights to practice their conscience without government intervention.”

      He invited a Leading Catholic, so, R/R faith is not his issue.

      Yup, HE IS TAKING A STAND AGAINST O’anti-christ’s anti-civil actions and anti-religious freedoms.!

      Come on Blaze readers,

      we should be supporting Warren’s actions, being similiar to Daniel refusing to bow or stop praying! Just wait to see the IRS, going after the taxes of Warren and several church leaders or contributers. Watch and see for a scandle to be revealed somewhere to cause a church split or embarrassment. Hold on Warren, u POed the devil, and persecution is coming.

      Perhaps, we should be praying instead of joining the “crucify” Warren and his church crowd.

      Sorry, again?

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    • NeoFan
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 11:43am

      Amazing how people like Rick think the widows mite is for him to buy a Mercedes and put his kids through Harvard. Yeah just like Jesus did right? WWJD? I am sure he would enrich himself with the Gospel. Get over yourself Rick. We already did.

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    • Female
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 11:46am

      May God protect those who take a stand for righteousness in these times of great lies, deceptions, perversions, and violent language. May He strengthen those standing in the gap for the principals and constitution our founders gleaned from their faith through the Holy Scriptures May He shine His great light to awaken those who have fallen asleep! May He reveal and deliver us from all evil. And may He restore us to truly be a Christian nation (entire Bible), friend of Israel, and bright City on the hill.

      In Jesus Name,
      Amen

      Thank you for joining me, traveling through my thought process to this conclusion: it is time to get united, “one nation under God”.

      “If my people, who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray….I will heal their land.”

       
    • mcsledge
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 2:40pm

      I didn’t know Rick was called of God to serve such a role.

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    • Hollywood
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:52pm

      Rick is NOT a Christain Pastor. He is nothing more than a false prophet. He supports Chrislam,not to believe Christ re HIS end time predictions. He is just another charlatan, in “Religion” for money, and power.

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    • barinttx
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 6:34pm

      Rick should confront Satan whenever and wherever he can and is. America was founded on the principle of Freedom of religion, not freedom from religion.

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    • PATTY HENRY
      Posted on August 24, 2012 at 3:49am

      Once again, I’m pleasantly surprised. I thought I was one of the very few who was not snowed by this guy. I think he was way out of line with this 2008 deal and think his comments are just obnoxious today.
      Nothing makes me angrier than to see someone accused of something they didn’t do.
      At no time, in now way, Has MITT or ANN ROMNEY or PAUL RYAN been rude, abusive. They have not lied or spread rumors. ALL OF THAT COMES FROM OBAMA. And that Silly little one shot CUTTER. We all know how enormously obnoxious Axelrod, Jarrett, Emanuel, Big Sis, Carney…all of them are. They make up facts and then say them like it was Gospel. So not only does this guy
      owe The Romney’s and their entire staff and surrounding folks a great apology, but he needs to go listen to/for GOD again. This was his ego talking, not the “Good of America”.

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    • oklahomalady
      Posted on August 24, 2012 at 5:37pm

      Rick Warren is a goof ball and his doctine is way out beyond the Bible anyway. He was just too big a coward and afraid of being called a racist to tell the truth that BHO is the one who isn’t civil, not to mention liar. I can’t imagine Romney being rude or lying.

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    • Hollywood
      Posted on August 24, 2012 at 7:30pm

      Rick IS NOT a Christian. He works for satan. Google Moriel Ministries/Jacob Prasch for PROOF,form his own words/teachings this is true. SAD
      SOLA SCRIPTURA! Rick tells his followers not to listen to Christs’ words re END times, and re-arranges Scripture to suit his ends. THIS is provable by Warrens’ own writings and words.
      Maranatha

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    • liberty49
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 12:58pm

      Since I found out that Warren is promoting CHRISLAM as the One World Religion, I don’t really care what he does.

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    • Not2old2c
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 12:58pm

      Anyone with common sense would realize that a person such as Warren who puts himself “out there,” is full of himself. No humility. Think about it, all my money goes on the bet that Warren voted for Obama and disgruntled with himself for making such an enormous mistake, so covers it by saying there is too much negativity. Warren, as Billy Graham, humbly admitted years ago during the Nixon admin., got caught up in the rarified air of the political scene. Warren hasn’t the marbles—isn’t humble enough to admit he was suckered in to vote for Obama. Warren’s touchy feely message just turned and popped him in his socket is all and Warren will not subject himself to a remindear of his foolishness. The truth has no agenda.

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    • RSHLUVER
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 1:20pm

      Obama played him for a fool.

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    • sixtysix
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 3:49pm

      His next move may be to cancel preaching to the lost because they are so, well, lost.

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    • rbasford
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 6:06pm

      Good riddance indeed! This fake needs to crawl under a rock somewhere and NEVER come out!!

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    • Revolutioneer
      Posted on August 26, 2012 at 5:09am

      Rick Warren needs to dealt with as the sleazy religion-huckster that he is. Anybody sleazy enough to sell religion to the ignorant masses needs to be imprisoned. He at least needs to shut up.

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    • cosette
      Posted on August 26, 2012 at 11:41am

      Warren lost me when he gave the invocation at ObaMaos’ inauguration. He didn‘t even have the intellectual curiosity to research the man for whom he asked Gods’ blessing. The Jesus I know must have been be appalled!

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    • cosette
      Posted on August 26, 2012 at 11:46am

      @ Rsuluve…. Warran was easily played. He has the intellectual curiosity of a pubescent boy.

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  • Seymour
    Posted on August 23, 2012 at 9:55am

    Candidate’s Mr. Warren? There is offense and there is defense. Which one was first and who initiated this Sir? Please speak the truth……..

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    • edmundburk
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 8:08pm

      Rick Warren is nothing but a evangelical hack and I thought this before I became a catholic!

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  • ThankBabyJesus
    Posted on August 23, 2012 at 9:53am

    Rick Warren is a good man. Has inspired me and helped me understand the bible more through his podcasts. He is blessed with simplicity.

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    • TEARS FOR AMERICA
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 10:20am

      Rick Warren blurs the Truth and neuters the Word of God with meism, new age doublespeak and a fascination with the coming New World Order which will enthrone the very antichrist he props up by blending Islam with Christianity…no Mr. Warren, compromise has brought us to the precipice of destruction and if you view that as uncivility then your opinion exposes your false doctrine.

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    • ScreaminEagle
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 10:38am

      Isn’t he on The Council on Foreign Relations? Watch who you put your faith in.

      http://www.wnd.com/2007/01/39612/

      Do a Little Research. I found this on the first search page.

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    • ThankBabyJesus
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 1:39pm

      TEARS FOR AMERICA, When you compare Rick Warren to other Christians, his successful charity establishments and wake are unquestionable. However, when you compare Rick Warren to a self-constructed fantasy of perfection, as many on the left prefer to judge the world, of course you’ll only see the negative. Each one should test his own actions. Then he can take pride in himself, without comparing himself to somebody else. He is no “christlam” I have done my research.

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    • Verceofreason
      Posted on August 24, 2012 at 2:17pm

      He’s another fat hustler like Newt, Rush and some others.

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    • Hollywood
      Posted on August 24, 2012 at 7:26pm

      You might want to Google Moriel Ministries/Jacob Prasch, and look up what Rick Warren REALLY believes and teaches. His book The Purpose Driven Lie, is full of anti Chirtian teachings, Warren teaches to NOT believe in end times prophecies, as taught by our LORD and SAVIOUR, Christ Jesus Himself. Jesus says, in the End times there will be MANY false teachers, with subtle,lying tongues, speaking doctrines of demons,just as there were during HIS time on earth. Warren is part of the Laodician church, as John outlines in Revelation 3. I urge ALL who seek the truth to do the research. The devil, and his minions are VERY crafty. Warren is but another.

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    • Verceofreason
      Posted on August 24, 2012 at 11:04pm

      I don‘t take any overweight ’religious’ people seriously.

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    • Ronsgym
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 1:32pm

      you are so lost ,,I pray that one day your eyes will be opened to the real truth, get yourself a KJB read it ask Jesus into your heart , get really saved before you die, RW is sending millions to hell.

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  • Rational Man
    Posted on August 23, 2012 at 9:47am

    Rick Warren should quit calling himself a Christian, because he is too ‘un-Christian’.

    I wonder?…If you’re a Chrislamist leader, do I call you pastor or imam? Pasmam maybe? Or maybe just Stupid!! Yea, thats it! I’ll just call Warren Stupid. Is that too “un-civil”?

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  • hempstead1944
    Posted on August 23, 2012 at 9:44am

    Perhaps Rick is unfamiliar with Chicago politics……he might want to get out a little more……

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  • paul1149
    Posted on August 23, 2012 at 9:42am

    Canceling was the right thing to do. Four years ago Warren called obama “a patriot”. Warren held the best debate of the season back then, but he gave cover for obama when he shouldn’t have. He went too far, abandoning truth in trying to be America’s moderator. Now he sees that he can’t pull that one off again, with the obama campaign’s execrable lies and smears, and with Romney not rolling over in the face of it.

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    • Sefton
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 12:59pm

      Let‘s not forget that the debate 4 years ago is when Obama lied straight into Warren’s face when asked what his definition of marriage was.
      Only a fool would believe anything Obama has to say. Depending on his audience, he lies through his teeth – telling people what they want to hear. Then the next audience hears the opposite.
      For a supposed Christian, he practices taquiya like it’s going out of style.

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  • indy1
    Posted on August 23, 2012 at 9:29am

    According to looney Rick Warren when Obama accuses Romney of being a murderer, felon and tax cheat and Romney defends himself that makes Romney uncivil.

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    • JRook
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 9:43am

      “People have forgotten that America was founded by people who came here to escape religious persecution. Freedom of religion is the first freedom mentioned in the Bill of Rights – before freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom to assemble, and every other freedom.” Freedom for ALL religions and freedom from any and all support or participation in religion by the government. But the real point here is that rather than focus on the complete fabrications and lies put forth int he Romney and Super PAC ads, Jonathan decides to highlight this issue. Yep Truth with an Agenda wins again.

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    • Voice of Reason
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 10:24am

      Actually JROOK that couldn’t be further fromt he truth of the Founders intent. Are you unaware that at the time of our founding 9 of the 13 colonies had “state” religions?

      Pretty much shoots this lie……….

      “Freedom for ALL religions and freedom from any and all support or participation in religion by the government.”

      right in it’s keester.

      Nice try tho. Your problem is this isn’t 1965 anymore. We aren’t ignoring the shananigans of spoiled children acting out for attention while we slave away making this country great. We aren’t ignoring the nonsense that has been proffered, unfettered by a genuinely biased media. We are no longer stoically sticking to the high road to our detriment.

      We’ve seen your act now for over 50 years and we are wise to it.

      You almost had us. But just like the spolied brats you are, most is never enough. You have to take it all.

      And when you tried, you pulled the infamous Yamamoto…….

      You have awoken a sleeping giant and filled it with terrible resolve.

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  • 4truth2all
    Posted on August 23, 2012 at 9:25am

    I’m sorry …how is it that so many tell Rick Warren what Rick Warren is thinking. That so many listen to others tell you what Rick Warren is thinking … this is unwise and causes division where division should not exist. Not only that may here accuse Rick of being a disingenuous or an out right liar … is this not you falsely accusing?

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    • SquidVetOhio
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 9:33am

      “By their fruits you shall know them”

      His fruit reeks of self grandizement.

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    • copatriots
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 9:36am

      Good Morning, 4TRUTH. One does not set aside assessing and discernment. How else are we to follow Christ’s commands if we blindly follow anyone? How are we to recognize a false teacher?

      I disagree with you on this one, my friend. Rick legitimized 0bama’s “Christianity” 4 years ago and gave 0bama the platform to sell himself to the less faithful among us. He also allowed 0bama to duck the abortion and when life begins question. Too many Christians used Rick’s endorsement to pacify their vote.

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    • copatriots
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 10:03am

      To clarify before anyone responds……by no means was I calling Rick a false teacher. And I do concede to your point, 4TRUTH, of listening to him. I think Rick made a huge mistake and was used by the 0bama campaign four years ago. I don’t think Rick makes a very good Presidential Debate Moderator and am very glad he is not repeating the mistake. Although, he seemed to be entertaining the thought if he canceled it. I question what he was trying to accomplish then and now.

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    • 4truth2all
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 10:19am

      To ALL who may respond here … Rick Warren is not my god. I already have one.

      SQUID : can a man tell if a fruit tree is such from 5 miles away?
      CO PATRIOTS: Disagreement is fine … however, the Spirit took me on a journey one time through the internet. For two weeks I spent hundreds of hours listening and watching. ( I will keep it brief) it was like walking a trail. We know how one site leads to another to another … I got into some ( many) ministry sites and there was much stone throwing from one to another about one another. It was sad and pathetic how “ His people” were behaving. I know this grieved the Holy Spirit. Often on this site scripture is used as bricks …. this is not as the LORD intended. We are called to be discerning …I agree … my point and I stand by it, is that we shold not listen to what somebody says about somebody and their purpose for their statement. That is not discernment. I asked a Pastor one time ( was have problems with through a common program) what causes disagreements between people. He responded by saying mis-understanding … not understanding the intent or HEART. I never told him why I went to him. I was checking myself. I do not believe he dug deep enough for if he had he would have found pride to be the root of the issue. I have learned not to listen to what OTHERS say. This is not wise. If I wish to know what a person means I ASK THEM.
      Check out the interview of John Piper with Rick … grace

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    • Voice of Reason
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 11:20am

      4Truth

      I can see from far away whether or not it is a fruit tree for sure but I cannot deem it’s spoiled without sampling. I get that. What you seem to not accept is that folks have sampled Warren and found him spoiled.

      I know MANY people of faith that have a jaded eye with respect to “mega” churches in general. The very idea puts them off. Me, I try to listen to the message and decide if it’s for me or not.

      Most are not.

      Many in an effort to attract as large an audience as possible leave out or gloss over things some folks find “uncomfortable”. Some delve into the political arena. Some carry the tone of the opinions of the pastor rather than the teachings from The Word.

      Is Warren right or wrong? Osteen? Robertson and Graham?

      I don’t know or frankly care how you decide for you. I do care how I decide for me.

      I have plenty of motes in my eyes to extricate long before I go digging in yours.

      Or Rick Warren’s for that matter.

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    • deeberj
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 3:12pm

      4truth – why do you assume that people here who don‘t like Rick Warren’s teachings have not looked into his teaching themselves? I have, and I don’t like them. I am not listening to someone else tell me what Warren thinks, I am finding out on my own.

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    • 4truth2all
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 5:10pm

      Yo Voice of Reason & Deebrj

      What I find is people are quick to judge incorrectly … it’s the easier thing to do.
      If people have listened to him personally …GREAT! The comments here and elsewhere do not indicate such … and I always try to take all things into consideration and have learned the hard way not to make assumtions

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  • copatriots
    Posted on August 23, 2012 at 9:08am

    Good. The last one didn’t go so well. Unless, of course, you actually were actually trying to help get 0bama elected, Rick. You have no business inserting yourself into the election anyhow. You, Sir, are no Billy Graham.

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    • dfhall
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 9:17am

      I totaly agree .

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    • may40
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 9:27am

      Couldn’t have said it better.

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    • ScreaminEagle
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 10:08am

      Isn’t he on The Council on Foreign Relations. Watch who you put your faith in.

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    • copatriots
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 10:14am

      Yikes!

      http://www.wnd.com/2007/01/39612/

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    • Gonzo
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 10:33am

      I came to that conclusion when Warren jumped on the man made global warming bandwagon several years ago.

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    • beckwasfox
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 1:40pm

      He also is a supporter of Chrislam, referred to Jesus as Issa which is wrong since Muslims don’t believe Jesus is the Son of God or that He died on a cross and Warren supports the “Palestinian” cause which is also unbiblical.

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  • ging4peace
    Posted on August 23, 2012 at 8:59am

    I have to agree wtih many of you that have spoken out about Rick Warren, it is true living in California too long does something to the brain. It wasn’t for him to decide civility, have the forum and let the people decide. This is why politics and religion do not go together. If a person is raised with ethics and values of doing the right thing all should go well, but many argue what is the right thing. I grew up hearing things like“Actions speak louder than words”.

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  • John Burwell
    Posted on August 23, 2012 at 8:47am

    Rick Warren is a classic example of why the church should stay clear of politics. He is a pragmatic compromiser who sells books and makes religious customers rather than disciple of Christ.

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    • rangerp
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 8:56am

      @John Burwell

      BAM!!! If that aint telling the truth, then nothing is. Good comments.

      That dude gives me the creeps. His mega church is about mega bucks, and is not about spreading the Gospel.

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    • SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 9:22am

      While I am no fan of Rick Warren, I disagree that Christians/chruch should steer clear of politics. We should be engaged in all aspects of society if we are to be the salt and light we are called to be. The German church tried to steer clear of politics and they ended up with Nazi Germany. We should be engaged in the governing and direction of this country, in fact, I think we as the church will give an account for not being more involved. Thank you…

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    • avgconservative
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 9:51am

      Burwell

      “Rick Warren is a classic example of why the church should stay clear of politics.”

      You really don’t know American history very well. Let me help.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu-n1vTpCRQ

      It is BECAUSE the church sent leadership to form our government into the civil society, and worked with the huge minority of deists, that we have the greatest country in the world.

      Secondly, your ignorant comment: “He is a pragmatic compromiser who sells books and makes religious customers rather than disciple of Christ.”

      You also show your ignorance of the “Celebrate Recovery” ministry which has freed hundreds of thousands of people from the addictions of substance. This comes from Saddleback and has spread all over the country.

      Rick Warren also does not take a salary at Saddleback. 2005 Warren returned his 25 years of salary to the church and discontinued taking a salary. He says he and his wife became “reverse tithers”, giving away 90% of their income and living off 10%.

      You people spend too much time running down good people. THE VERY REASON why Warren cancelled this event… people like YOU.

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    • 4truth2all
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 10:33am

      God’s people SHOULD be involved in EVERYTHING that determines the future of their nation and the minds of the people that determine that future. (I said that)

      The LORD says this … when the godless rule the righteous (his people) suffer.

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  • turbo
    Posted on August 23, 2012 at 8:41am

    Rick Warren, you have been playing “The Game” for quite some time. You have, in effect, sold your soul to the Devil. In my opinion, I think G-d particularly despises hypocrisy from His representatives such as yourself.

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    • SquidVetOhio
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 8:46am

      Agreed. What’s uncivil is making yourself a celebrity by using The Lord as your catalyst.

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    • avgconservative
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 11:03am

      You guys are disgusting.

      A man tries to make a difference and all you see is what the Evil One intends for you to spread… an out and out lie and distortion.

      Go back into your troll room.

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    • avgconservative
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 11:14am

      SquidVetOhio

      Could possibly be the MOST STUPID comment I’ve ever seen here.

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  • SCREW-WINDOWS
    Posted on August 23, 2012 at 8:36am

    Could the real reason be the cost of security and the Secret Service said “It Ain’t Gonna Happen”

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  • jackact
    Posted on August 23, 2012 at 8:31am

    How prudent Pastor Warren.
    It is the electorate that is engaged, angry and ready to demonstrate in Nov.
    It is Obama and his ideology, and lack of leadership, that is not only uncivil but crimInal.
    But shutting down Romney/Ryan you let the work off the hook.
    No worries, Cardinal Dolan will assist.
    Write another book and vanish.

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  • Wildblue3
    Posted on August 23, 2012 at 8:31am

    Ten to one, Obama refused him and Warren can’t publically say that without somesort of backlash. This way, it’s cancelled and he expressed his discontent with the election.

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    • Verceofreason
      Posted on August 24, 2012 at 2:19pm

      When was ANY president accountable to a 10th rate hustler?
      I think Benny Hin and Jimmy Swaggert should offer Obama an invite.

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  • barber2
    Posted on August 23, 2012 at 8:30am

    Agree with his assessment of the political climate. I have NEVER seen such negative nastiness as the Democrat Character Assassination Squad has been spewing through their Left-leaning media since the advent of the Obama Administration. From what I‘ve read about Alinsky’s Rules For Radicals, that is the source of this bile and smear technique. Apparently attacking capitalism directly is not acceptable, so the Democrats have attacked bankers, CEOs, Wall Street, and the ” rich.” Personal and divisive attacks against fellow Americans, the likes of which I have never witnessed in previous elections. This election boils down to a battle between capitalism and ” anti-capitalism.” Between America as we’ve known it and the America of “ redistribution ” and so-called “social justice ” of Barack Obama and his international Far Left cronies. JFK must be twirling. Nobama 2012 No Far Left Democrats 2012

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    • SquidVetOhio
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 8:52am

      You mut not have read about John Quincy Adams being labeled as a “pimp” and Andrew Jackson’s wife being called a “whore” in their election.

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    • GaltLine
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 8:57am

      Exactly. The uncivility is all in the Democratic leadership, Obama, Reid, Pelosi, ad nauseum. Republicans have always practiced what they preach, civility in discourse and action. It won’t end now, just because Obama has become unhinged.

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    • barber2
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 9:09am

      SQUID: Interesting that the attacks you mentioned were against individuals while the Democrats today are pitting groups/ classes against one another. Guess that is the result of the Democrats’ New Big Brother War on Capitalism and Religion.

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    • soybomb315_II
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 9:12am

      yea. and the republicans are angels

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    • GaltLine
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 9:22am

      @soy

      A civil society does not consist of angels. If you have difficulty seeing the difference in civility between the leadership of both parties you are either watching and hearing with your eyes and ears closed or you have no understanding of what a civil society is and requires.

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    • barber2
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 9:29am

      SOY: The Republicans are NOT waging a War against Capitalism and Religion and trying to “ fundamentally change ” ( wink, wink ) America.

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    • SquidVetOhio
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 9:38am

      I agree with your premise about dividing Americans among groups. What I’m saying is if you study history, “there’s nothing new under the sun”. In the early elections, the parties accused eachother of remaining loyal to the crown.

      We can only be divided if we allow it. It is all based on coveting your neighbor’s goods. Probably why God told Moses to write down the 10th commandment.

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  • sawbuck
    Posted on August 23, 2012 at 8:29am

    Yep …There will come a time ,when you publicly proclaim you’re a Christian …
    You might as well have a Cigarette hanging out of your mouth….”meaning”
    You will be considered a second class citizen and then shunned ….
    It’s coming.

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  • louise
    Posted on August 23, 2012 at 8:29am

    Rick Warren’s brand of religiosity turns me off. He seems to me to be a self-promoter, a man who wants everyone to love him.
    When you stand for the Truth of God, you will be persecuted. When you try to please everyone to be a popular public figure, you are just straddling the fence so to speak….hedging your bets. Warren huffs and puffs about “civility”. When Truth is spoken feathers are always ruffled.
    Here is a good article about Warren from back in February 2012.

    http://www.opposingviews.com/i/religion/rick-warren-promotes-chrislam-practice

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    • 4truth2all
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 9:13am

      Yo Louise:

      Somebody said somebody said gets people dead.
      John Piper ( a straight bible guy) has a good interview on his site with Rick Warren. I suggest that you watch the interview instead of listen to what other people think of what Rick IS THINKING.

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    • louise
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 9:33am

      4truth:
      You said, “John Piper ( a straight bible guy) has a good interview on his site with Rick Warren. I suggest that you watch the interview instead of listen to what other people think of what Rick IS THINKING.”

      My opinion of Rick Warren was formed by reading his books and listening to him speak. His watered down belief system is not the same as what I read of in scripture.

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    • 4truth2all
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 10:42am

      Yo Louise:

      Thanks for the responce … glad to hear of your efforts. I would still highly suggest that you take a little more time to watch the interview as he does address some of which you speak. If you are familar with John Piper he is not a guy easily fooled. (it’s a good discussion and your loss if you do not)

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    • avgconservative
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 11:19am

      Louise… you simply see what you want to see. Don’t be blind.

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  • tothepoint
    Posted on August 23, 2012 at 8:28am

    I’m sorry to hear Rev. Warren won’t be hosting the forum.
    During the Obama/McCain forum four years ago, Obama showed himself to be inarticulate and uneducated and the world got to see how poorly this man presents himself without handlers.
    However, having said that, Rev. Warren is correct that our religious liberties are in jeopardy in this country under this President.
    God bless America and may the voters open their eyes to the truth of this corrupt Serial LIar, anti-American Obama.

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  • woodyee
    Posted on August 23, 2012 at 8:27am

    Go Gonzo!!!

    I’ve often said that where the Bible states to “turn the other cheek”, the word is used in the SINGULAR term.

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  • randy
    Posted on August 23, 2012 at 8:25am

    This is just setting the stage for future debates….

    I predict that this will be the first presidential election the sitting president will not participate in any debates…. nor will the vice president…… HeII, he won’t even sit down with the white house press.
    If he is too scared to sit with press and answer their questions, what makes you think he or Biden will sit down with Romney or Ryan?

    Obama is a COWARD!

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  • Laureen1
    Posted on August 23, 2012 at 8:23am

    I, for one, am sick to death of people like Rick stating “both” sides are being uncivil. Dirtbag Obama is the one throwing out the “Felon” & “Murderer” label on Romney. Romney is putting out truthful, undisputable ads calling out Obama on his hipocracy and overall worthless presidency. I guess in Rick Warren’s world, facts about the black guy are called uncivil and are equal to the outright lies Obama and his team put out (deny, then stand behind again) about Romney. Remember, Rick is the same guy who gave Obama the pass on abortion (or 3rd tri-mester abortion – can’t remember which) when he said it was above his pay grade.

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  • GREENDOG
    Posted on August 23, 2012 at 8:21am

    Pastor Rick is a little too full of himself.

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  • Mapache
    Posted on August 23, 2012 at 8:18am

    This is pure baloney…..If Rick Warren really believes that than WHAT BETTER REASON to have his civil forum? The reality is, one of the two candidates will be the president of the United States and the country will need to come together some way. I think that Rick Warren is using the “incivility” argument as an excuse for not holding the forum.

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    • 4truth2all
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 9:15am

      And you are inside the mind of Rick Warren?

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    • Mapache
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 11:40am

      I am not inside the mind of Rick Warren but I did speak to God this morning.

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    • 4truth2all
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:54pm

      Did He tell you to do it since Rick is not listening to Him?

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  • soybomb315_II
    Posted on August 23, 2012 at 8:13am

    they are uncivil because they are power-hungry ego maniacs

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    • therealconservative
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 8:48am

      No that would be your leader Ron Paul

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    • barber2
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 9:25am

      REAL: or the anarchists who have been attracted to his limited government ideas which they interpret as ” anything goes..bring on the chaos that we love..let‘s have a revolution cuz’ we’re bored…grab your hoodies and your masks and your molotov cocktails.. head for Tampa for starters ! “

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