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Pastor Rick Warren: ‘I’d Go to Jail Rather Than Cave’ to Contraceptive Mandate

Rick Warren: Id Go to Jail Rather Than Cave to Contraceptive Mandate

Rick Warren, the well-known author of “The Purpose Driven Life” and the founding pastor at Saddleback Church in California, is well-known for his willingness to speak out on social and theological issues. That being said, Warren is typically relatively benign in tone and declarative sentiment when it comes to partisan politics.

In 2008, the pastor declined to endorse either presidential candidate, though he did moderate a presidential forum during which both Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Barack Obama were able to share their perspectives on a wide variety of faith-related issues.

(Related: 5 Reasons the Obama Admin May Be Losing the Contraceptive Mandate Battle)

But when it comes to the Obama administration’s contraceptive mandate — a regulation that will force many Catholic and religious employers to violate their beliefs, he is making some bold declarations. Earlier this week, Warren took to Twitter, where he made his stance vehemently known.

“I’m not Catholic, but I stand in 100% solidarity with my brothers & sisters to practice their belief against govt pressure,” he wrote in one tweet. “I’d go to jail rather than cave in to a government mandate that violates what God commands us to do,” Warren wrote in another.

The faith leader isn’t alone in his stance, either. LifeNews.com has more:

Richard Land, a pro-life leader who is a top official with the South Baptist Church, said the same thing the day prior.

“When it comes to abortifacients, and many birth-control methods are abortifacients,” Land said, this mandate is “reprehensible in its demands for people to violate their conscience.” “We are not going to do this. We have a First Amendment right to freedom of conscience, and we’re going to defend it. If we have to defend it by going to jail, so be it.”

Here are Warren’s tweets:

Rick Warren: Id Go to Jail Rather Than Cave to Contraceptive MandateEvangelicals, like Warren and Land, have been coming out en masse to defend Catholics against the government’s new health care regulations.

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  • schroeder123
    Posted on February 9, 2012 at 5:40pm

    If you get money from Uncle Sam…you have to play his rules.

    Just say NO. We will do like we always have done. Operate without the US Government.

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    • ishka4me
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 5:44pm

      the long arm of the federal government just shook awake the Reagan democrats

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    • disenlightened
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 6:04pm

      @SCHROEDER123
      I agree with you in principle, but can you explain just how the Catholic Church is getting money from the federal government? And even if they were, Obamacare is mandated for EVERYONE, regardless of whether you take the devil’s money or not.

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    • FLDeb
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 6:29pm

      Disenlightened, you are correct that they are doing it to everyone. Am not sure how much/how many different programs are being funded now, but when my kids were in school they were talking about accepting government funds for certain scholarship programs for public school children to offset their costs. There are probably other type programs within the schools that would qualify them to apply for government grants. When the green monster takes over, there is no stopping it.

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    • ChiefGeorge
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 7:17pm

      I thought Rick vetted Obama back in 2008. He wonders if maybe he should have asked tougher questions.

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    • TEXASGRANNY73
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 7:31pm

      Letter posted on FOX News from 3 States Atorrneys General to the “Honorable” Kathleen Sibilius and other “Honorables” protesting Contraception Mandate. States are Nebraska, South Carolina and Texas.

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    • MCDAVE
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 7:57pm

      Barry’s going to do a back step on this issue any day now…In November we need to do a back step on the entire 4yrs..repeal everything he’s done…don’t know how we will fix the financial disaster he has created.

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    • What_Did_I_Miss
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 9:07pm

      I want to preface this by saying that I am a practicing Catholic. The Catholic Church had this coming to them. The Pope and Bishops are always in favor of welfare programs. They were in favor of Obamacare. The Pope recently called for a taxation scheme and banking system worldwide the redistributes wealth. They continually confuse government welfare (by force) with charity. The churches used to run charities fully funded by voluntary donations. Now they expect the government to either do it for them or assist them. I saw it coming when GW Bush advocated using faith based groups to do some of the “charitable” work. It was a fat worm with a hook in it.

      The church sees the government as source of money. But when somebody lures you and convinces you to get in bed with them, you should plan on getting screwed.

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    • poverty.sucks
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 9:14pm

      God commands his people to populate the earth. That requires marriage between a man and a woman without contraceptives. For the United States to be pro-Gay promotes the Islamic movement that we don’t populate as quickly as Muslims who are on pace to be the majority by the year 2040.

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    • poverty.sucks
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 9:20pm

      What is a practicing Catholic? Put it this way, you continue the practice of not following Christ. Do you practice just an hour out of each day, 2 or 3 days a week? How committed are you for denying Christ Jesus and what He teaches?

      Being a Christian is developing a relationship with Christ Jesus through prayer and scripture from the Holy Bible. Roman Catholic Sacraments don’t reflect the Gospel of Christ Jesus.

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    • RLTW
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 9:54pm

      @What did I miss
      Great post and painfully close to the reality of what’s occurred, it’s unfortunate the Catholic church needed to learn this lesson the hard way.

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    • TERIPA
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 10:39pm

      Satan’s fingerprints are all over this government.
      Just makes the time for “The Warning” to draw closer.
      The evil one wants all churches knocked to the ground.
      But, the church will never die, even though the Father may allow this scourging now.

      God is the source of Truth, the Light. These things this administration is doing, is not of God.

      We must all join together, all religions, and fight such evil.
      Those who live in Truth, have a moral responsibility, not to remain silent.
      Darkness like taking away religious freedom, will only bring more power-grabbing.
      Just take a look back to all our freedoms lost, since 2008!
      We must fight to make them accountable, in order to not be at the receiving end, of all their wrong beliefs.

      Many of us have joined together here, for guidance:
      http://www.theWarningSecondComing.com

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    • BLACKDIAMONDSKIER
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 10:40pm

      I’m not a Catholic….but all Catholics can know for sure that I will stand shoulder to shoulder with you against this oppressive mandate. Peacefully… STAND……with honor for God.

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    • WeDontNeedNoSteenkinBadges10
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 11:00pm

      “Pastor Rick Warren: ‘I’d Go to Jail Rather Than Cave’ ”

      You got it backwards, padre:
      “There’s no secret, kid. Dames are simple. I never knew one who didn’t understand a slap in the mouth, or a slug from a .45″ -Bogart, “Play It Again Sam”

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    • KAdams
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 11:37pm

      @McDave: Obama didn’t get us into this financial crisis, the Rockefellers did, in 1913.

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    • Leopold
      Posted on February 10, 2012 at 1:56am

      First of all the money is not from the government. It is from the taxpayer. Everybody thinks that the government has money and is free to spend as it sees fit.

      I wonder if this uproar from the faith community will somehow influence the Supreme Court when it hears the Health Care Case.

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    • marhee9
      Posted on February 10, 2012 at 8:22am

      What‘s reallyamazing with this whole thing is how many people don’t even understand the reason Planned Parenthood was started in the first place. Check it out, it’s all right here.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GEYAbSoYxs

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    • kessi7
      Posted on February 14, 2012 at 3:35pm

      http://fathersmind.blogspot.com/#!/2012/02/sarah-palins-cpac-speech-2.html

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  • rreactor
    Posted on February 9, 2012 at 5:37pm

    For too long, many pastors have failed to speak up as our religious liberty has been compromised, inch by inch, but it is never too late to call on God to turn this nation around. Pray for our leaders (all of them).

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    • soybomb315
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 5:51pm

      For awhile now, we christians have opposed civil disobedience (breaking the law) in favor of using the voting booth to get what we want. Our fall-back has always been that when the government starts trying to interfere with the laws of God, then we will rise. Is this now the case? If Rick Warren is willing to go to jail, that means he would first have to break the laws of the government. Everyone start thinking about your breaking point – cuz these things are only going to get worse

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    • Bluebonnet
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 6:14pm

      I’m with you Pastor Warren. It’s time to speak up for our belief. Like the old saying:: :

      When they came for me,
      there was no one left to speak out.

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    • dealer@678
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 9:23pm

      You got played Pastor. Makes me wonder about your common sense

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    • kevinUA
      Posted on February 10, 2012 at 5:50am

      well said

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  • paleoman
    Posted on February 9, 2012 at 5:35pm

    The 0 is going to stick that little pitch fork tail of his between his hind legs & try to hide now. Maybe this time people will see the EVIL in this thin skinned boy.

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    • TH30PH1LUS
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 5:42pm

      Obama obviously is under the impression that the religious in American society have been so marginalized that we are basically a political non-entity.

      Obama is wrong.

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  • biblegeek119
    Posted on February 9, 2012 at 5:31pm

    The harlot thought she would ride the beast forever, but the beast (like a scorpion) will sting the harlot.

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    • varptr
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 8:16pm

      Too many Boris Vallejo calendars?

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    • KAdams
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 10:44pm

      Hahahaha… not laughing at you, Geek, just the Boris Vallejo reference, lol.

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  • EqualJustice
    Posted on February 9, 2012 at 5:29pm

    GBTV has been AMAZING the past week! If you are not watching, you are missing a LOT about this subject and about our border, and OWS.. you need to WATCH!

    Report Post » EqualJustice  
    • EchoHawk
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 5:33pm

      Calm down. Glenn just pooped his pants.

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 6:10pm

      You’re not fooling anyone ECHOHAWK…that poopy smell is you.

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    • EchoHawk
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 6:46pm

      AvengerK, Alinsky Rule 5

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    • NancyBee
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 8:02pm

      Equal….it has been good….I’ve been watching all week!!!

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    • dealer@678
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 9:38pm

      GBTV . What can i say. I’m addicted to that show. All ive ever wanted is for someone to tell me THE TRUTH and finally this guy comes along. God Bless him

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    • KAdams
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 10:48pm

      Glenn Beck will never see a dime from me. He’s a shill, false prophet, and he and StuPat truly are Mercury, 3 faces and all. Messenger of the gods… er whatever. Which gods though?

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  • FLDeb
    Posted on February 9, 2012 at 5:27pm

    I have not heard this mentioned yet and I am wondering if it is bothering anyone else. We are Catholic. My children attended Catholic schools. When they 1st started talking about getting/obtaining government funds I became furious. If you take their money it opens the door for them to start mandating to us. No one cared. Did it anyway. Now look where we are!!!!!

    Nothing is for free, you will pay for it sometime/somehow.

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    • EchoHawk
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 5:38pm

      I agree with what you said 100%. Did the Catholic school that your children went to hire teachers that weren’t Catholic? Did any of the lay persons ever have any children out of wedlock? I wonder how many persons in the employ of the Church use contraception to stay in the good graces of the Church?

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    • bankerpapaw
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 5:42pm

      You are exactly right. If you take one penny from the government, they own you and you had better
      do what they say or else.

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    • SPOT_OF_TEA
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 6:00pm

      Its kind of ironic isnt it?The government takes our money,then when they give it back to us they own us….Something does not seem right with that.

      Report Post » SPOT_OF_TEA  
    • imsteph
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 7:47pm

      AMEN-and again I say – AMEN!

      Report Post » imsteph  
    • jabbott514
      Posted on February 10, 2012 at 12:21pm

      @Echohawk…

      And, just how many wrongs does it take to make a right?

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    • conservativewoman
      Posted on February 11, 2012 at 11:40am

      @FLDEB
      I beg to differ. Taking government money does not take away your constitutional rights. They may try and have tried but if you let them, that is your fault.

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  • tomloy
    Posted on February 9, 2012 at 5:27pm

    Amen! Either we all hang together now, or we will all hang separately later!

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    • TEXASGRANNY73
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 6:45pm

      @Problemsolver Thank you. You left out who the Presidents were in these years, in particular the first and in 1994-1995 when as I understood IMF came officialy into Congress and who now is in charge of those funds which would be the State Dept. as I understand it. Also 1944 and later in the 60′s when Medicaid Medicare passed; and who NPR Bill Moyers worked for. Am I connecting this correctly? All that Glen taught us goes back to this? Correct? Sincerely wanting to know. President Clinton to now State Dept. Clinton in the 90′s–to now?

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    • ProbIemSoIver
      Posted on February 10, 2012 at 9:32pm

      @Texasgranny

      I know beck talked of the progressive movement starting in the early 1900′s.
      Woodrow Wilson signed the federal reserve act.
      But our “Government was a Corrupt Corporation at that time also.
      There is a lot I don’t know.

      As far as the State department goes, It is also a Private Company:
      http://www.manta.com/c/mmfnh22/united-states-department-of-state

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  • SoupSandwich
    Posted on February 9, 2012 at 5:27pm

    While I understand the zest and zeal for the issue… How about gun control? How about rampant fraud in every entitlement program? How about liars in office? How about no budget and spending? How about taxes? How about an open border? How about illegals overtaxing an over taxed system? How about gutting the military and throwing money away at green religion? So many issues to take up with conviction and righteousness, and the sticky wicket of birth control and abortion gets all the energy. We have elected officials openly mocking and laughing at oaths of office. No, going to save up for the abortion and birth control fight instead. So many avenues to advance the fight, and abortion and birth control win the day while illegals suck the system dry and half our populations pays zero taxes. God help us indeed.

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    • angelcat
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 5:46pm

      Religious freedom is why the Pilgrims came to this country. If it is taken away,the rest will follow one by one. Everything you mentioned is important, but this is what is at the forefront at the moment. Showing the unity of people of faith on this issue will help us to defeat Obama on all the other things you mention.

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    • EchoHawk
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 6:01pm

      Because the Church had infiltrated the government which enforced the wishes of the Church angelcat. They were in fact escaping the persecution of the Church of England.

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    • ltbdb
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 6:20pm

      We have sat on our a$$es for too long now and have let the government take our freedoms an inch at a time. It won’t be long before we will be sitting in a detention center for persons of interest for DHS wondering what happened and how did I end up here. Time to lock and load. I had rather die on my feet than live on my knees. Time to stop the erosion of our God given rights and stand our ground before it is too late.

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    • TEXASGRANNY73
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 7:35pm

      @Problemsolver Post above on TomLoy belongs here.l

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  • ProbIemSoIver
    Posted on February 9, 2012 at 5:26pm

    He will do what the Corporation tells him to do, for our representative republic officially died in 1992.

    HERE IS THE 100% IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE !!!!!!!

    http://www.manta.com/mb_41_ALL_09/district_of_columbia?search=The+UNITED+STATES

    Click on any of their divisions.
    They all are like this:

    Congress, United States

    The Capitol
    Washington, DC 20515-0001

    Phone:(202) 224-3121 Products or Services: Elected Government Officials, Elected Government Representatives, Federal Government Elected Officials, Local Government Elected Officials and State Government Elected Officials.

    Congress, United States in Washington, DC is a PRIVATE COMPANY categorized under Legislative Assemblies. Our records show it was established in and incorporated in District of Columbia. Register for free to see additional information such as annual revenue and employment figures.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    In 1871 The United States became a Corporation.

    In 1912 the Corp. went to the Global Elite (banksters) for a “loan”

    In 1913 the “federal reserve act” was passed. Income tax law in ALL states then. and Gold could NOT be Redeemed at banks for currency or vice-versa.

    The federal reserve is no more federal than FEDERAL EXPRESS !

    In 1933 the “Emergency Banking Act” was passed.
    “Corp U.S.” defaulted on the loan and declared bankruptcy.

    The “Gov’t” gave the PRIVATE federal reserve bank all of it’s gold to absolve the debt.
    It was not enough.

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    • ProbIemSoIver
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 5:30pm

      *Con’t

      Under emergency powers and martial law demanded citizens turn in their gold.
      It was not enough.

      The “Corp U.S.” Pledged it’s GOVERNMENT Branches and Agencies, IT’S LAND, and IT PEOPLE as COLLATERAL to the PRIVATE BANK for that bankruptcy.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlCs7u1ihws

      Birth certificates became law in all states in 1933 and Social Security in 1936.
      These are Security bonds for the receivers of the bankruptcy to hold under a International lien.

      They told the banksters you would pay a percentage of your LIFES EARNINGS towards the debt and insolvency of 1933.

      In 1944, the Lien was transfered to the IMF which created the United Nations the next year.

      They have been holding the lien ever since, and turned our Country into a literal Corporation.

      In 1992 NAFTA, AGENDA 21 and Executive Order 12803 – The INFRASTRUCTURE PRIVATIZATION ACT was born.

      AMERICA is FOR SALE and Has been, since 1992 !!!!!

      Allen West admits The “United States” is a corporation
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN0PlOXCJLc

      He is a confirmation:
      http://www.teamlaw.net/history.htm

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    • ProbIemSoIver
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 5:39pm

      NAFTA was official in january 1994. but it had been in the planning stages previous to that time.

      This is an excerpt from the 1992 IVHS Strategic Plan:

      “The mission of the IVHS community in the U.S. – composed of all levels of government; the automotive, electronic, communications, and information industries; and academia – is first, to improve surface transportation by deploying IVHS technology broadly throughout the nation and, in cooperation with Mexico and Canada, throughout North America, and second, to develop a U.S.-based IVHS industry to provide technology in the U.S. and abroad.”

      Report Post » ProbIemSoIver  
  • Rational Man
    Posted on February 9, 2012 at 5:26pm

    AU OH!…..Even progressive clergy are speaking out against the Obamanation.
    That can’t be good for his re-election…….GOOD!!………………

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    • desmo118
      Posted on February 11, 2012 at 12:29am

      Imagine what would have happened if they actually paid attention in 2008.

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  • PenaF
    Posted on February 9, 2012 at 5:26pm

    Thank you for your support Pastor Warren. You are an honorable man to stand up and speak the truth. We Catholics find comfort in your support. I don’t believe in violence, but when push comes to shove I am not afraid to fight and die for my faith. This oppression will not stand. This President is not above God’s law!

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  • RAMJR
    Posted on February 9, 2012 at 5:24pm

    ‘Wolves in sheep’s clothing’ are everywhere today. Politicians, pastors/clergy, celebrities, media. Satan knows the Bible better than any man, and many men can quote scripture and stand in the pulpit each Sunday, to manipulate God’s Word. WHOLE TRUTH is needed, and why if any clergy says something you can’t understand, or makes you question what they are saying, the Bible should be used, and not their books to justify the spin many clergy run today. Ask God for discernment on His truth, not mans. God Bless.

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    • Bluebonnet
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 7:03pm

      RAMJR: You’re right.

      Believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God, because many false prophets are out in the world. 1John 4:1

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  • I.Gaspar
    Posted on February 9, 2012 at 5:21pm

    This time the dictator may well have been hoisted by his own petard.
    The tide is turning against obama…

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    • EchoHawk
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 5:29pm

      Hoist up you pants, better yet put on a hat, your ass is showing.

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 5:39pm

      Today, it’s contraception. But what will it be tomorrow? Will it be the government mandating that you violate your conscience or your most personal beliefs over something else? To brush off Obama’s actions and believe there is no slippery slope here is to ignore history and reality.
      This is really dangerous territory that Obama has entered and we ignore it at our peril. The founding fathers of this nation saw men like Obama in it’s future and were intelligent enough to create a constitution that would keep men like Obama in check. I do not believe it’s a coincidence that the left has all of a sudden become very vocal about devaluing the constitution. Obama only recently himself bemoaned the constraints that the constitution places on him. This nation should thank God everyday for the constitution, it’s the only thing keeping Obama restrained and in check and stopping us from devolving into what Europe has become today. More and more I see the founding fathers of this nation as incredibly intelligent men with the foresight of prophets in their tailoring of the declaration of independence and the U.S. constitution.

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 5:40pm

      ECHOHAWK…wipe your nose.

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    • EchoHawk
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 6:31pm

      AvengerK, you’re grasping, “devaluing the Constitution” when referring to the Constitution of the United States of America it should be capitalized thereby indicating the proper reverence. Your evidence of “devaluing” is anecdotal at best, the rhetorical pap you’re getting fed from the extreme right has clouded your judgement. If the government was forcing the Church and it‘s followers to take or use contraception then I’d the first to cry foul…. but alas that‘s not what’s happening is it. What has happened here is, conservatives, desperate to find some issue they feel will further their agenda, have chosen a loser social issue dear to the hearts of the evangelical base, a minority and shrinking religiously fanatical base. There isn’t anything that the “leadership” of the republican party won’t stoop to in an attempt to make the left and the President in particular, submit to their views of morality even though they don’t often practice what they preach. Look no further then Blazers.

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    • Quiata
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 6:39pm

      Indeed! And that was exactly the phrase I was searching for. I was just about to say that he’s really stepped on his own (petard) this time.

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    • trolltrainer
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 6:56pm

      @ ecohawk,

      That is a big block of post you put up there. Maybe a little advise: After you poop in a thread with your short, trollish, ignorant thoughts most people are not going to take the time to read anything further you have to say. I sure didn’t. You may have said something intelligent, or at least had an adequate argument in there, but why should I bother? You have already proven yourself an idiot.

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    • I.Gaspar
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 7:35pm

      echo,
      What a brilliant comment.
      You post way too much cr^p on the Blaze.
      Are you jobless, homeless, still in the 10th grade? (pick one or more).
      I‘m sure there is SOMEPLACE where you’re not unwelcome.
      Perhaps you should try to find it.

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    • EchoHawk
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 7:55pm

      You missed one possibility I.Gaspar, independently wealthy. I kind of like it here, it’s so challenging finding stimulating conversation with so many colossal intellects. I wouldn‘t miss it for the world so don’t waste your pity on me I’ll be LMAO as often as my schedule allows. How ya like me know?

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    • Quiata
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 10:16pm

      @I.GASPAR, re: EchoHawk (aka attention sponge) Let this “independently wealthy” individual spend as much of his/her invaluable expendable time here posting his/her cr^p, endlessly, tirelessly, voluminously. He/she may not be aware that the amount that she/he writes is inversely proportional to the amount that other people actually bother to read. His/her posts start to look like this: “Echohawk blah blah blah blah…Echo blah blah blah blah, etc. Just skip it. Waste of time. (P.S. The more reactions someone like this receives, the more they post and write. Newton would have determined a law about this at some point.)

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    • KAdams
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 10:53pm

      @Echo: Your towering intellect astounds me, and your powers of deduction are without peer. Yes, it’s sarcasm. Now suck it up, and LMAO as your schedule allows. Carry on.

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  • copatriots
    Posted on February 9, 2012 at 5:21pm

    I apologize in advance if this offends Rick Warren fans but Rick shares some responsibility for Obama’s being elected in 2008. I saw the wolf in sheep‘s clothing then and couldn’t see how Rick didn’t. The debate Rick hosted gave credence to Obama’s supposed Christian faith among evangelicals. Rick did a horrible job as a Pastor moderating the event not holding Obama accountable to Christian tenets or even asking sufficient theology questions. Interesting to see Rick quoting Acts 5:29 now because it sure seemed he trying to please to man in 2008.

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    • neverending
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 5:54pm

      Does not offend me because you are so right on. As I recall he is or has been a consultant to little barry boy. Lost respect from him long time ago.

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    • wbedding
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 6:06pm

      funny, i saw the event when it was shown live, and i thought that Obama gave a blundering response to each of Warren’s questions. not that McCain was any better. anyone with half a brain could see that Obama was espousing something he did not believe in one bit. it exposed him for who he is. if people were drooling over the prospect of Obama being a Christian, then they themselves are not very aware of Christianity itself. at that point in the campaign, Barry had already perpetrated enough lies that people would believe him that the world was flat. sorry those of you who didn’t see through it.

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    • mycomet123
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 6:13pm

      I totally agree. My gut feeling is that Rick Warren is playing both sides of the fence.!!!! I don’t totally trust what he says!!!!!!!!.

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    • mamatango
      Posted on February 10, 2012 at 7:10am

      Not to mention Warren’s promotion of “Crislam.”

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    • wakeuplds
      Posted on February 11, 2012 at 11:26pm

      Rick Warren got famous off of Oprah because some crackhead was reading his book and didn’t die. Do I really need to say anymore about Pastor Rick Warren?

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  • lisa2994
    Posted on February 9, 2012 at 5:21pm

    That is right let us stand with them!!!

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  • RagingJudge
    Posted on February 9, 2012 at 5:19pm

    Y’know, this isn’t the first time politics has forced us to do things God has commanded us not to do…

    Just the most glaringly obvious and publicized.

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  • I SPY
    Posted on February 9, 2012 at 5:18pm

    LOL Obama wants to take on God…. Pffftss it’s not hard to imagine who will be on the losing end of this round.

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  • mr molotov cocktail
    Posted on February 9, 2012 at 5:18pm

    seperation of church and state was created for a purpose- so that the state does not force a certain religion down your throat~!
    well it goes the same for religion no religion can break the law of the state~ which the people have decided throw them catholic mormons christians in prison who VIOLATE THE LAW~
    dont want to abide by the law of the land stick to religion only
    and stay out of the secular business world~!
    understand it- i am so going after false christians on this one

    this guy is nothing more then a lying reprobate none god fearing false christian
    he shall burn in hell

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    • qpwillie
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 5:31pm

      ……………..or prohibiting the free exercise thereof……….

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    • Git-R-Done
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 5:32pm

      There is NO Separation of Church and State in the Constitution.

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    • rreactor
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 5:33pm

      Mister Cocktail, I believe you are in for a rude awakening. The state cannot force me to violate my beliefs. Only God is truly sovereign, my friend and because you appear to be lost, I will be praying for you.

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    • Carol1955
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 5:34pm

      excuse me, your ignorance is showing.

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    • TH30PH1LUS
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 5:38pm

      Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

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    • oldironsides
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 5:42pm

      @QPWILLIE – nice job, squashed a troll with 6 words

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    • mr molotov cocktail
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 5:51pm

      TH30PH1LUS when the churchs got into big business..they got into the secular world!
      once they decided to leave the religious part of religion and decided to join the secular world is when things changed~!
      they set themselves up you dont have a right to freedom of religion once/ you removed yourself by choice~
      you cant hide behind religion~ when its not a just a religious- institution anymore
      it will go before the supreme court and they will lose because
      athiests none believers dont get the same/rights
      and the churchs are scared now because they opened up a can of worms that is not going to stop growing

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    • TH30PH1LUS
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 6:52pm

      mr molotov cocktail,

      On the contrary, religious institutions have every right to observe policies and proceedures that are in keeping with their faith. One of the central reasons that European settlers first migrated to this continent was for religious freedom. Thus it is forever enshrined in our Constitution.

      There are plenty of religious owned and operated businesses that are allowed to observe their faith.

      There are also plenty of ways for people to purchase contraception without forcing the Pope to buy it for them.

      Will Obama force Kosher delis to start serving ham sandwiches next?

      Nonsense and you know it.

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    • mr molotov cocktail
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 7:06pm

      God Almighty in His most holy and wise providence, hath so disposed of the condition of mankind as in all times some must be rich, some poor; some high and eminent in power and dignity, others mean and in subjection. First, to hold conformity with rest of His works, … Secondly, that He might have the more occasion to manifest the work of His spirit, … Thirdly, that every man might have need of other, … All men thus (by divine providence) ranked into two sorts, rich and poor, under the first are comprehended all such as are able to live comfortably by their own means duly improved, and all others are poor, according to the former distribution. There are two rules whereby we are to walk, one toward another; justice and mercy. … There is likewise a double law by which we are regulated in our conversation, one towards another; in both the former respects, the law of nature and the law of grace, or the moral law of the Gospel. (1) For the persons, we are a company professing ourselves fellow members of Christ; (2) the care of the public must oversway all private respects by which not only conscience but mere civil policy doth bind us; (3) the end is to improve our lives to do more service to the Lord, the comfort and increase of the body of Christ whereof we are members; (4) for the means whereby this must be effected, they are twofold: a conformity with the work and the end we aim at. … Thus stands the cause between God and us: we are entered into covenant with Him for

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    • mr molotov cocktail
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 7:33pm

      TH30PH1LUS the puritans were fleeing conservative europe~
      the puritans were the first american socialist liberals
      when you actually read what they say its a different story then what modern- conservatives say~>“conservatism” is a death cult nothing more nothing less

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  • MarsBarsTru7
    Posted on February 9, 2012 at 5:17pm

    I will never compromise on my religious convictions. Our rights come from God, and no establishment of humankind has the authority to deny that which God has given. Our government officials have to take oaths of office to uphold those rights. When they violate those oaths they hold no authority in this nation any longer.

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    • EchoHawk
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 5:27pm

      98% of Christians, and that is being charitable, do, the clergy themselves violate any number of “religious convictions”, Not really sure that‘s the tack I’d use.

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    • SoupSandwich
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 5:41pm

      Yeh, listen to the EcoPigeon with the stats he will gladly back up…clairvoyants all over nowadays. Don’t you need a license for that Eco?

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    • trolltrainer
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 6:02pm

      I thought 98% of Catholic women were engaging in premarital affairs? Is that the same 98% or a different 98%.

      It is a known fact that 100% of ecohawks are dorks…

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    • disenlightened
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 6:08pm

      @ECHOHAWK
      And everything is stupid and everyone sucks, right?

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    • EchoHawk
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 6:56pm

      SoupSandwich, Alinsky rule 5.

      trolltrainer, Alinsly rule 5.

      disenlightened, Alinsky rule 10

      It‘s not that I’m clairvoyant, it’s that you all are so transparent. We can argue the percentage of sinners but your not going to like the results given the margin of error.
      Alinsky Rule 4: Make opponents live up to their own book of rules. “You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity.”

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    • trolltrainer
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 7:10pm

      EchoHawk
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 6:56pm

      ….We can argue the percentage of sinners but your not going to like the results given the margin of error….
      ——————————————————————————————-
      No need to argue, the percentage of sinners that have ever walked this earth is 100%…minus a single man…a man who lived and died for you!

      You should look Him up someday…

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    • EchoHawk
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 7:19pm

      I suppose I should thank you for proving my point trolltrainer. Congratulations you’ve been trained well.

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    • trolltrainer
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 7:27pm

      I didn’t think you had a point. All your posts seem so…pointless…

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    • EchoHawk
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 8:18pm

      Well then there‘s your problem trolltrainer nobody’s paying you to think, of that I am quite certain.

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    • KAdams
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 10:57pm

      @Troll: 100% of sinners.. Jesus never sinned, so don’t include Him in the sinners group. “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God” Rom3:23

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    • trolltrainer
      Posted on February 10, 2012 at 9:34am

      KADAMS,

      Man, did you read my post? You just made yourself look mighty silly!

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  • P8riot
    Posted on February 9, 2012 at 5:14pm

    No matter what religion we are, we ALL must unite to support religious freedom! I’m not Catholic, but I will stand with them in their free exercise of religion.

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    • Link8on
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 7:05pm

      The Bible has stories about what pharoh‘s and herod’s mandated massacres of male children.

      This administration’s mandate does not even care if the baby is a girl.

      We are becoming no better than China.

      They may seem to have been doing well for the last decade or so, but watch them crumble from demographic social pressures in the next 15 – 20 years.

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  • cuinsong
    Posted on February 9, 2012 at 5:14pm

    These two songs sum up my feelings about what is going on today
    “The Devils Song” http://www.reverbnation.com/play_now/song_10789987 = Obama
    “The End Times” http://www.reverbnation.com/play_now/song_10381143 = 2012 ?

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  • texanpatriot
    Posted on February 9, 2012 at 5:12pm

    Pastors going to prison is what happened in Nazi Germany when they began to take over churches and dictate acceptable faith.
    We have overlooked judges who threatened to jail students who might mention Jesus and now Catholics are going to change their beliefs – or else.
    Stand together or hang apart…

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    • Gonzo
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 5:25pm

      Don’t worry nobody will go to jail. Obama will be the people’s hero by correcting this intrusion on religious liberty. That mean old Romney didn’t come to the rescue of the peasantry like Obama either. That’s how it will be played anyway.

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    • EchoHawk
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 5:32pm

      “I’d go to jail rather than cave in to a government mandate that violates what God commands us to do,”

      More hollow words are not often spoken. Who said anything about anyone going to jail?

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  • Seagal45
    Posted on February 9, 2012 at 5:11pm

    Stand together! Amen to that.

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  • mr molotov cocktail
    Posted on February 9, 2012 at 5:10pm

    if he wants to do big business in the secular world and pay zero in taxes…and not abide by the law which every other human being has to do- THROW HIM IN PRISON

    he is advocating criminality!
    do as i say not as i do kinda sick twit~!

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    • texanpatriot
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 5:15pm

      The best thing that could happen to the Church today is for them to pay taxes and for deduction to no longer be deductible.
      The true followers would then be seen in each worship service.

      I believe that you, sir, would be surprised at the result.

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    • SoupSandwich
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 5:19pm

      @ MollyCockTail
      But you are a wanker. What you just typed means zilch. You can peddle it on puffpost. Zip. Nada. Nothing, and you are stuck with that. How does that make you feel? Have you thrown or made any fiery cocktails of late? Do you have the dreams of an arsonist? Speak on what you know for a change.

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    • 66 bronco
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 5:24pm

      It’s funny that you should call Rick a “sick twit!” So if Rick is a twit, then all you are is just…. GARBAGE!!!

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 5:29pm

      SOUP…Comrade MOLOTOV is a leftist. As a leftist he’s chaffing, gnashing and foaming at the mouth that the constitution of this nation stands in the way of his and his kind’s statist fantasies. I’m happy to disappoint him.

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    • oldironsides
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 5:34pm

      The businesses they run are not for profit – when all non profits are subject to taxation, then talk to me.
      As far as criminality, he follows in the steps of Martin Luther King and Gandhi, not bad company

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    • texanpatriot
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 6:22pm

      @OldIronSides – well said. I can only pray that many Americans are motivated to follow in those steps.
      It would be an honor.

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    • mr molotov cocktail
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 6:55pm

      oldironsides ghandi supported the genocide of blacks who he said were inferior and the british
      ghandi supported nazism-and adolph hitler
      Google ghandi’s letters to hitler~!

      anyone uses ghandi as a icon- is just a idiot~

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    • KAdams
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 11:09pm

      @Oldironsides: “Be ye not unequally yoked with unbelievers” In accepting 501c3 designation, the IRS(government) effectively muzzled the pulpit. There are government ‘guidelines’ for what a pastor can and cannot preach, i.e. cannot preach about the sin of sodomy (hate speech), cannot preach that the Jews killed Christ, etc etc. Just because they are ‘non-profit‘ doesn’t make them good. Contextually speaking, ‘profit’, as spoken of in the bible, is edifying. So what does it mean, to a Christian, when a church is ‘non-profit’? (Non believers need not answer, you don‘t know what I’m talking about.)

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  • ishka4me
    Posted on February 9, 2012 at 5:09pm

    somebody just woke up the Reagan Democrats.

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