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Pastor Who Helped Lesbian-Turned-Evangelical Christian ‘Kidnap’ Her Daughter & Flee the U.S. May Be Headed to Jail

Rev. Kenneth Miller Convicted in Lisa Miller Lesbian Kidnap Case

Lisa Miller (left) and Janet Jenkins (right) (FILE)

MONTPELIER, Vt. (TheBlaze/AP) – A pastor from Virginia was convicted Tuesday of helping a woman flee the country three years ago, when she was on the brink of having to turn custody of her young daughter over to the woman who was once her lover and partner in a Vermont civil union. The complicated case was first covered by TheBlaze back in June 2011.

The jury issued its verdict against the Rev. Kenneth Miller after several hours of deliberations in the case, which has drawn broad attention because of the legal and religious questions it raised about same-sex unions and child custody, and because the whereabouts of mother and daughter remain unknown.

Miller, 46, a Mennonite from Stuarts Draft, Va., was charged with aiding in international kidnapping for helping Lisa Miller and her daughter, Isabella, leave the country in September 2009, a month after a judge indicated he would turn custody of the girl over to Janet Jenkins, of Fair Haven, Vt., if she continued to defy a series of visitation orders.

Kenneth and Lisa Miller are not related. Lisa and Isabella, now 10 years old, were last known to be in Nicaragua.

As the jury was deliberating, Jenkins filed a lawsuit against both Millers and other people associated with the case, seeking unspecified monetary damages.

Rev. Kenneth Miller Convicted in Lisa Miller Lesbian Kidnap Case

Supporters of Rev. Kenneth Miller stand outside federal court in Burlington, Vt., Tuesday, Aug. 14, 2012. (AP Photo/Wilson Ring)

Kenneth Miller showed no emotion as the verdict was read and will remain free pending sentencing, although he was ordered to surrender his passport. After the verdict, his supporters walked out of the Burlington courthouse, lined up across the street and began singing hymns.

“I am willing to accept the consequences of my actions,” said Miller, who could spend three years in prison. “I am at peace with God. I am peace with my conscience and I give it over to God, and at the same time I respect the decision of the court.”

He said an appeal would be up to his attorneys, who left the courthouse shortly after the verdict was read.

Jenkins was not in court at the time, but her attorney said she is pleased that Kenneth Miller was being held accountable.

“She hopes that the verdict will send a message to those who continue to aid and abet Lisa Miller in Nicaragua,” said attorney Sarah Star. “Her greatest hope is that the government‘s efforts will lead to Isabella’s safe return to Vermont.”

During three days of testimony, prosecutors used cellphone records and sometimes-reluctant witnesses to lay out a broad network overseen by Kenneth Miller that helped Lisa and Isabella travel first to Canada and then Nicaragua.

Prosecutors said Kenneth Miller arranged for another person to drive the two from Virginia to Buffalo, N.Y., where they crossed into Canada and were picked up by an Ontario Mennonite who took them to an airport. After they arrived in Nicaragua, prosecutors said, the two were cared for by American Mennonites who felt they needed to protect Isabella from what they considered a sinful lesbian lifestyle.

The U.S. does not have an extradition treaty with Nicaragua. The country is not a signer of the 1980 Hague convention on international child abductions, which is designed to return children illegally taken from member countries.

Lisa Miller and Jenkins entered into a civil union in Vermont in 2000, shortly after the state became the first to legally recognize same-sex relationships. Miller conceived the child through artificial insemination, and both acted as parents.

Lisa Miller later became an evangelical Christian and renounced her homosexuality. A child-custody case went to Vermont family court in 2004, after the couple dissolved the civil union. Lisa Miller, who moved to Lynchburg, Va., was given primary custody of Isabella, with Jenkins given visitation rights.

Lisa Miller appealed the case for years, but ultimately the courts in Virginia and Vermont determined the case would be bound by the Vermont family court order. After defying visitation orders, Miller became a fugitive in 2009 when she disappeared with Isabella.

Charges were dropped in October against an American Mennonite missionary living in Nicaragua, Timothy Miller, who is not related to the other Millers. Prosecutors said he helped Lisa Miller reach Central America; he cooperated in the case against Kenneth Miller.

Timothy Miller said in videotaped testimony that he knew Lisa Miller was fleeing the U.S. because of the custody battle but believed at the time that she had full custody of Isabella. He said he picked the mother and child up when they arrived in Managua and arranged a place for them to live in Nicaragua.

“I did not believe it was a crime I had committed,” said Timothy Miller, who is not related to the other Millers.

Rev. Kenneth Miller Convicted in Lisa Miller Lesbian Kidnap Case

Janet Jenkins, left, leaves federal court in Burlington, Vt., on Friday, Aug. 10, 2012. Prosecutors in the trial of Kenneth Miller called Jenkins to the stand on Friday. The 46-year-old Miller is charged with helping Lisa Miller and her daughter Isabella flee the country in September 2009 after a years-long custody dispute. (AP Photo/Wilson Ring)

A lawyer for a group that promotes the rights of gays and lesbians says a pastor’s conviction in Vermont reinforces the rights of same-sex parents.

Gregory Nevins of Lambda Legal says an acquittal could have been a “green light” for people fighting same-sex custody battles to move to states that would support their positions.

But Mathew Staver of the Liberty Counsel, which represented Lisa Miller until her disappearance, says he thinks the case was too narrowly focused to have broader implications.

In brief but emotional testimony, Jenkins gave an overview of her relationship with Lisa Miller and a history of some of her visits with Isabella between the time the two split up in 2003 and Lisa Miller and the girl left the country Sept. 22, 2009.

Jenkins last saw Isabella in January 2009 and was looking forward to a late September visit.

“I was going to go to Lynchburg and pick my daughter up for the weekend,” said Jenkins, who runs a day-care business. But when she arrived to pick up Isabella, no one was home.

 

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  • SquidVetOhio
    Posted on August 16, 2012 at 7:55am

    “I am willing to accept the consequences of my actions,” said Miller, who could spend three years in prison. “I am at peace with God. I am peace with my conscience and I give it over to God, and at the same time I respect the decision of the court.”

    There are still some principled people left. As Peter and John said, “We ought to obey God rather than men”

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    • encinom
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 8:16am

      A person who helps an unstable woman kidnap a chid and take her to a foriegn country to be raised by a cult is not a man of principal, but a common criminal.

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    • Locked
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 9:33am

      You’re vile, Squid. I pray you never have your wife divorce you, and after having the courts side with your right to visit your own child, kidnaps him or her away to a foreign country where you will likely never see them again.

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    • Locked
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 9:57am

      @Dim

      “They weren’t a husband and wife.”

      One does not need to be husband and wife to have a child, nor to be that child’s legal parent and guardian.

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    • Git-R-Done
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 4:28pm

      Locked – If anybody is vile, it’s people like you. You support ripping a child from her mother’s arms in order to validate the homosexual lifestyle.

      And it takes a man and a woman to create a child.

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  • stotlaat
    Posted on August 16, 2012 at 1:26am

    Awful situation!

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  • jeffile
    Posted on August 15, 2012 at 11:29pm

    She’s happy and at peace with God? Sounds like she is at peace with Allah. The birth mother is reaping her crop and it looks like a harvest of weeds and burrs. This spokesman of God’s word is guilty of abetting immorality and eventually will have to answer to a higher judge.

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    • COFemale
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 11:52pm

      Are you even on the same planet as the rest of us? Is this Liberal speak for I am a mental case and I need help? You make no sense.

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    • Hollywood
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 6:51am

      You seem to live in an alternate universe. She is trying to do RIGHT by her daughter in Gods; eyes. She has sinned, recognized it, and repented. What is your excuse? You will be the one standing before Christ when he utters these words. Go away from me. I NEVER knew you. You need to repent, and accept the good news.By condeming those who do right, you condem yourself, by your own words.
      Maranatha

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    • deadend
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 8:57am

      How did Allah get into this. We are talking about Christians and not some repugnant false profited who would molest the child not protect her from perversion.

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    • encinom
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 10:16am

      @Hollywood, how is kidnapping a child to a foreign country and suspecting the child to cult brainwashing a benefit?

      This child has known two parents, the mentally unstable one has destroyed the life the child knew and replaced it with religious fanaticalism in a strange land. This so-called mother needs to be hauled back the the US and face jail time for her crimes.

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    • Git-R-Done
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 10:00pm

      Encinom – Children can only have a mother and a father, which is what’s best for the parents. Excuse me if there always has been and always will be gender differences in men and women.

      You support kidnapping a child from her biological mother and putting her in a home with a sexual deviant so that she can brainwash her into thinking that homosexuality is ok. It looks like you don’t care one bit about the child. This is all about your sick cause to brainwash society into thinking that homosexuality is normal and acceptable.

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  • Carol1955
    Posted on August 15, 2012 at 10:17pm

    I’m glad the pastor felt the conviction to become involved. On a lighter note, is there anyone out there who has menno background or much knowledge that found the ….“miller” “not related” over and over in the article as funny as I did? Coming from Mennonite background, I found the name thing really humorous.

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  • StronzateDiDestra
    Posted on August 15, 2012 at 10:14pm

    It is poignant to see how the fables that Eusebius put together in 325, as a political tool for Emperor Constantine, is still believed to be the word of a God and used to pass judgment at random today.

    If she was abducted to save her from gay indoctrination, then the poor little girl must also be saved from the religious indoctrination she suffers now, right?

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    • Bildad
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 12:39am

      All children are “indoctrinated” by their parents/mentors. Today, the word carries an implied connotation of harmful doctrine or teaching, but in its pure form the word simply refers to the process of organized, systematic teaching.
      So obviously when we believe the truth that God created man, man rebelled against God, man now lives in a fallen world, yet God planned our redemption which was fulfilled by Christ coming to Earth to sacrifice Himself as a perfect, sinless offering, but then resurrected from the dead allowing anyone to accept His free gift of eternal life by repenting and believing this Good News, then it is of eternal importance (very weighty) that we not tiptoe around sin, as it deceives us into arrogantly believing that our own sinful desires can never be judged by anyone, even God. But He will judge us at His Judgment Seat and we will either be found forgiven or guilty. I pray that you escape the wrath of God to come by accepting the peace offering He has extended to us all.

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  • srocker12
    Posted on August 15, 2012 at 9:46pm

    Lisa Miller is the biological parent. Her rights should be upheld. I agree with the religious argument of marriage being between one man and one woman, as I am a Christian, however let’s put that aside and argue without it. When you allow a woman to take the place of a man in a relationship or a man to take the place of a woman in a relationship you are stating that men and women are the same, we are not. We are different because a mother provides a defining role for a child and a father does as well. This child having two mothers only leads to confusion for the child. How would Lisa Miller describe this relationship to this child growing up. It is confusing and completely inappropriate for a young child to be burdened with. This other woman should leave her alone…..she clearly does not care for the well being of this child.

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    • encinom
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 10:57pm

      The women is a parent, Lisa Miller is an unstable mother and a kidnapper. A criminal that needs to be hauled in chains into a Vermont court and sentenced for her crimes.

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    • COFemale
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 11:43pm

      Encinom, you can’t kidnap your own biological child. The other woman only had visitation rights. Lisa Miller had sole custody. Sheesh will you learn the law. The marriage was illegal anyway; marriage is between one man and one woman, not two woman regardless what the state passed. The state does not trump God’s laws. Take your atheist views somewhere else.

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    • VoteRightDammit
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 2:29am

      Cofe: Unfortunately, you are not right n this one.

      Janet – the non-mom and non-parent – sued Lisa (the real Mom and parent) in a Vermont court, aided by an extreme gay activist attorney. The Vermont judge, of course, sided with the gay non-everything and took total custody away from the real Mom. Not even visitation with her own daughter. It was only after this impossible to imagine injustice that Lisa protected her daughter and vanished, rather than serve the child up to homosexual indoctrination and parental alienation.

      So – while Encinom is wrong about everything, all the time, it is correct Janet was given faux (but legally enforceable) custody of a child she had no ties to.

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    • vter4beck
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 2:39am

      While I have not followed this story closely, I can say without reservation that I am ashamed of Vermont and its ultra-liberal, gay rights fervor and lack of Christian beliefs. I was born in VT and have family that has been here for generations. I am almost embarrassed now to admit that I am a native Vermonter. Not only has our state become slaves to liberals, our government and judicial system clearly favor homosexuals over Christians. I believe that all things being equal, the biological parent’s rights outweigh anyone else involved. What saddens me most about this story is that Lisa felt she had no other alternative but to take her child and run. This case is a travesty and the VT courts failed this mother and daughter.

      If Lisa had converted to Islam, might she have had a different outcome? Hmmmm . . .

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    • encinom
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 8:24am

      @VoteRightDammit
      Lets get the facts straight, I understand you christians can only lie and hide from the truth. The truth is custody was originally with the birth mother, with the other partner having visitation rights. It was only after the unstable birth mother, brainwashed by her new cult, did she break the visitation ruling. As what happens in custody cases between heterosexual couples, the wronged party goes to court to sue for enforcement of the original order.

      Can you Christians ever tell the truth or is it okay to lie about people you hate.

      Its clear from her actions that so called mother is unfit.

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    • Git-R-Done
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 10:03pm

      Encinom – If anybody is mentally unstable and unfit, it’s your beloved Jenkins. Jenkins has no right to Lisa‘s child since it’s not biologically hers nor did she adopt her. It’s the same thing as step parents not getting custody of their kids nor do they get visitation rights. Oh but that hurts the feelings of the sexual deviants, but who cares.

      So if anybody is lying and hating, it’s you Marxists.

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    • Git-R-Done
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 10:06pm

      Encimoron – It‘s clear that you Marxists are mentally unstable along with Jenkins and her actions reveal that she’s a kidnapper and has to whine to her precious state in order get the court to take away the child from her biological mother.

      But Jenkins is just using this child to promote her sick perverted lifestyle of homosexuality.

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  • ENIGMA28724
    Posted on August 15, 2012 at 9:41pm

    Its a shame the jury didn‘t have knowledge of the fact that they are NOT required to find the defendant guilty if the facts don’t fit the case or the law was applied inappropriately, as appears to have been the case here. . There is organization called The Fully Informed Jury Association whose mission is to inform those who may be called as jurors of all their rights and responsibilities, not just those commonly read to them by judges at triage. Even one informed juror could have turned this case on its ear if they had done the right thing (as all should do regardless of man’s laws] and found the Minister not guilty.

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    • encinom
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 10:58pm

      The Pastor added and abeded a felon in kidnapping a child. The jury does not decide the law, only the facts.

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    • rangerp
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 7:40am

      ENCINOM

      I would argue that the pastor aided a woman in keeping her legit daughter safe from the evil kidnapper

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  • florida123
    Posted on August 15, 2012 at 8:54pm

    I agree with the preacher and 3yrs in jail is nothing to protect a child!

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  • Git-R-Done
    Posted on August 15, 2012 at 8:04pm

    This case is an example why homosexuals should not be allowed to adopt children.

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    • Verceofreason
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 8:28pm

      The child was not adopted.
      Another headline reader.

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    • hi
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 8:38pm

      This is also a reason why gay marriage should never happen. See? It’s not about their freedom but about the lives of children. . Children have a right to have BOTH a mother and a father that are married. Gays should never ever be able to adopt precious, innocent children.

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    • rangerp
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 8:46pm

      This is un-flipping real. The liberal courts want to take the legit, real deal child of the real mother, and give custody to a sicko lesbian. The real mother was once caught up in homosexuality. She had a baby, and saw the evil of the situation of what she was living in, and decided to raise her child in a normal environment. Now the liberal northern courts have decided the real mom does not get her actual daughter, and she should be turned over to the lesbian. The mom and daughter ran to central America, and Christian people are keeping them hidden. I wish I knew how to donate money to these people, so they could keep this lady and her child safe.

      America has become one sick and twisted nation.

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    • Git-R-Done
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 8:49pm

      Voiceofnoreason – The lady who is suing for custody isn’t even her biological mother.

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    • Elena2010
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 10:46pm

      Verce — to have “legal standing” the lesbian likely did adopt the child. Civil Unions are supposedly somewhat different fm marriage — one of the gripes fm the homosexual community that keeps saying it wants absolute equality w/the rest of us.

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    • Bildad
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 1:05am

      The assumption of “adoption” by Git-R-Done is a reasonable and logical one.
      Since the lesbian plaintiff was not a natural parent of the child, she did not become the “legal” parent if she did not legally adopt the child. Although some liberal judges have engaged in judicial activism in some cases by simply saying that a homosexual partner automatically becomes a legal parent of any child their partner gives birth to, there is no law I’m aware of that codifies this concept.
      The Commonwealth of Virginia did not (and does not) recognize the alleged right of the plaintiff to legal parentage, but conceded to the jurisdiction of the State of Vermont because it was a custody battle.

      So, Janet Jenkins is neither the “natural” mother, nor the “legal” mother. She is simply a confused human who has lost her moral bearings.

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  • NOT A CRAZY
    Posted on August 15, 2012 at 8:00pm

    Just for the record I would do the same thing this wonderful Mennonite leader did if I was given the opportunity. Homosexuality is an abomination against God and God’s law. There is no way this non-biological lesbian should have any access to this child. The Bible is full of Christian leaders that spent time in prison for their beliefs and many died for their beliefs. God delivered many of them from their shackles, from firey furnaces and from the lions den. These believers refused to bow down to un-Godly laws. It is time that Christians today do the same.

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  • VoteRightDammit
    Posted on August 15, 2012 at 7:16pm

    Minister Miller, apparently, helped Lisa keep her baby safe.

    Janet – consumed by gay activist imperative, decided the pro-gay court order was far more important than the baby’s welfare and pursued an all-out legal battle. In what may be the first of it’s kind, the Vermont court went after the person who HELPED Lisa, Minister Miller.

    Now they have this hero convicted and plan to crush him in jail. Yet, he is standing tall and not giving up the whereabouts of the mother and child despite the price he will have to pay. And Janet & her gay activist attorney continue with their scorched earth campaign …. and all better get out of their way of suffer destruction.

    IS THERE ANYTHING MORE VILE AND DESPICABLE THAN THE GAY ACTIVISTS ON THEIR SELF ABSORBED CAMPAIGNS?????????????

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    • lukerw
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 7:49pm

      A Church is… a Calling Out of people to hear the Word of GOD. A Congregation is… the people who attend and listen to the Reader. A Reader is… sometimes called a Minister, because he selects the Reading Performed.

      Clergy have no special powers… nor charges… other than cited in the Gospels!

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    • Virginia Rebel
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 9:40pm

      Nope! I can’t think of a thing that is more vile than that.

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  • VoteRightDammit
    Posted on August 15, 2012 at 7:12pm

    THIS MINISTER IS AN ABSOLUTE H E R O !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    To anyone who has been following this story since the beginning, it’s a sad and vile commentary on the self absorption of gay activists and their indifference to any and all others.

    The person suing – Janet – a lesbian, was in a ‘lesbian relationship’ (in Vermont, called a ‘marriage’) with Lisa; they decided to have a child, which Lisa did. Janet worked & showed little parenting interest; Lisa stayed at home and cared for HER baby. Lisa & Janet later dissolved their relationship and Lisa moved with her daughter back to Virginia to be near her own parents. Janet was in agreement.

    Later Janet expressed a desire to have time with the baby (Isabella) and Lisa complied, shipping Isabella off to Vermont from time to time. It didn’t go well; Janet used the visits to indoctrinate little Isabella into lesbianism and Isabella started rebelling when visits came up. Meanwhile, Lisa came to Christ and decided it was wrong her baby would be indoctrinated into sin and refused further visits. Janet then hired a leading gay activist lawyer to pursue custody. Of course, the Vermont court, reflective of the insane and anti-human culture there, sided with the active lesbian.

    Incredibly – the Vermont court TOTALLY STRIPPED Lisa of her rights as a mother and awarded full custody to Janet, the non-biologic and disinterested adult. Rather than offer up her baby to what awaited her in Vermont, Lisa went into hiding.

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    • taxpro4u03
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 8:17pm

      Hm – Sounds like the jury might have been ‘compromised,’ insomuch as nullification concerning the ISSUES at law.

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    • Git-R-Done
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 9:01pm

      Vermont cares more about promoting sick perverts than about protecting children. Why else do they not have Jessica’s law on the books?

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  • jmcclena
    Posted on August 15, 2012 at 6:37pm

    Good! If Lisa Miller ever steps foot in the US again, she should be arrested for kidnapping and the child should be returned to the parent who is not a criminal!

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    • Rosalyn
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 7:55pm

      She is not that child’s parent. Despite what the LGBT folks would like us to believe neither two women nor two men can have a child. It’s biologically impossible.

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    • jmcclena
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 8:12pm

      So two adoptive parents are not really the child’s parent? You are an idiot.

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    • Rosalyn
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 8:24pm

      I don’t care what is done in a court. It‘s not natural and it’s not healthy for the child. The sick women continued to try and indoctrinate the child with her perversion. If she wants a child so badly she should go get artificially inseminated and have her own child just like her ex-partner did. Instead she would rather take another woman’s child out of hatred and spite. That to me is the most disgusting part. She only wanted the child to make a point to prove her sick lifestyle was superior. Nature isn’t behind her and that is what truly ticks gays off. They know they aren’t natural, that is why they want to force their mental illness on society.

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    • Git-R-Done
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 8:53pm

      Jmcclena – She didn‘t even adopt her and she’s not the biological mother, so why should that sicko be anywhere near Miller’s daughter?

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    • rangerp
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 9:52pm

      jmcclena

      Let us break this down Barney style for the dumb people like you. Had the biological mother not been homosexual, and had she lived (shacked up) with a man that was not her husband, was not the father of the baby, nor had he adopted the baby. If the real mother decided that he was not fit to be around her child any longer, and she moved. No court in the nation, would take this baby away from the biological mother, and give it to the dude that she has shacked up with.

      This is exactly what is happening here. The court is going to take a mothers legit child, and give it to the sick, *****, **** that she has shacked up with. The ***** has no blood relation to the child, and she never went to court, and adopted the child. this is all about apeasing the sick twisted liberal homosexual crowd up in Vermont. I hope the people that support this evil choke to death on their own tongues.

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    • Bildad
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 2:14am

      JMCCLENA,
      YOU are an idiot for even imagining the plaintiff has ANY legitimate claim under “natural” law.
      Let’s illustrate the absurdity. We keep on this slippery slide of “anything goes” morality. Next, polygamy wins legal status.
      Soon after that, pedophilia/child molestation becomes legal, as long as the child doesn’t object (U.N. “Rights of the Child”). Then marrying the molested child becomes a “right” demanded by pedophiles. The legality of homosexual marriage serves as the precedent, so it passes into law.
      So it logically includes men marrying little boys, while their parents are sued for conspiring to violate the pedophile’s “rights”.
      Then, bestiality. A woman marries her dog. After being artificially inseminated, the woman gives birth to a human. She then divorces the dog. Lawyers for the dog (from PETA) demand visiting rights for the dog, not to mention alimony.
      If you see this as a society to be desired, you bear the guilt of causing the decline and eventual destruction of what has been the greatest nation in history.
      Get a glimpse of what it will look like: messianic-literaryDOTcom/sodomDOThtm

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    • encinom
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 2:46pm

      Bildad
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 2:14am

      JMCCLENA,
      YOU are an idiot for even imagining the plaintiff has ANY legitimate claim under “natural” law.
      Let’s illustrate the absurdity. We keep on this slippery slide of “anything goes” morality. Next, polygamy wins legal status.
      _________________________________________
      The only absurdity is your debunked, bigotted slippery slope argument, another hold over from the arguments made against Loving v. Virgina. We are talking about two consenting adults, children and animals are not consenting adults. Its that simple logic test that Conservative Christians fail.

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    • Git-R-Done
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 4:31pm

      Encinom – If anybody is bigoted, it’s psychopaths like you. You act like the courts have a right to tear apart a child from her biological mother, who has done nothing wrong. The other woman is not her biological mother nor did she legally adopt her.

      You’re also a hypocrite for not supporting polygamy and yet you claim that marriage is a civil right.

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  • NewLife24
    Posted on August 15, 2012 at 6:36pm

    If no one has a right to judge or to cast a stone how do you deal with discipline in the church when people are living in known sin? No we don’t cast stones but remember our Lord told her to go and sin no more. I do not recall him saying get the aclu to help you sue for your rights to commit adultery and show those religious bigots Jesus got Yo’ back girl..

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    • encinom
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 6:53pm

      Yeah, God‘s word just don’t cut it in a court of law, maybe if he shown his face and testified as a witness it would have been better. But as it stands, Miller violated the laws of the State of Vermont.

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    • VoteRightDammit
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 7:22pm

      RE: Encinom & his self absorbed rant:

      Yep. You care ONLY about the legal victory your gay activist pallies got, NOT about the child.

      THIS is why gays should be kept a minimum of 100 yards from ANY child!

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    • encinom
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 10:54pm

      The legal vicotry was for the Parent of the child, the child is being held prisoner and brainwashed by religious cultists. Screw your God, he is not present in the law.

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    • rangerp
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 7:45am

      encinom

      The birth mother of the child has the child. The sick twisted lesbian has no blood relation to that child, nor did she ever adopt the child.

      If this story were about a woman and her child leaving her boyfriend (that was not the father of the child), no court in the land would be looking to give the child to the boyfriend. This all all pro homosexual politics up in liberal land.

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  • woemcat
    Posted on August 15, 2012 at 6:26pm

    this is one reason why we need to fight AGAINST s/s unions–“marriage” or “civil unions.” i don’t care what adults do, but when kids are involved, that‘s a whole ’nuther ballgame. jenkins has NO rights to this child and all the Millers did the right thing by trying to protect this child from the sham-parent. this sounds harsh and sorry, jenkins, she ain’t your daughter. happy that ms. miller turned her life around, but it is a sad reality that consequences of sin can follow us and really wreck havoc in our lives.

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    • encinom
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 6:57pm

      How is this any different, if it was an opposite sex couple? An unstable kidnapper, violated the laws of the Sovereign State of Vermont, with the unlawful help of a pastor who thought he was above the law.

      This happens sadly all the time in custody cases. The only difference is that moral crusaders can parade their bigotry.

       
    • Git-R-Done
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 4:33pm

      Encinom – If anybody is a paranoid cruscader, it’s people like you who are trying to legislate your immorality down our throats.

      Two people of the same gender can’t create a child. That child belongs with her biological mother and the other woman didn’t legally adopt her, so she has no claims on the child.

      At least two people of the opposite sex can create a child and that’s why they have the legal claim on the custody issues.

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  • Virginia Rebel
    Posted on August 15, 2012 at 6:26pm

    I have been following this case for a long time, and it only gets uglier. That pastor is a real hero in this story, and it is a shame that our legal system has slipped so far into darkness that it would call what he did a crime. Lisa Miller is being persecuted in this case, and now Kenneth Miller is, too. Janet Jenkins is no more a mother of that child than I am. I pray often for Lisa and her daughter and hope that someday Lisa will write a book about this ordeal that will become a cautionary tale for young women who might lightly enter into a lesbian relationship.

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    • VoteRightDammit
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 7:19pm

      Exactly!

      Janet had little to no interest in Isabella until she decided to indoctrinate her.

      And now Janet and her gay activist attorney – aided and abetted by the pro-gay activist court in Vermont – are conducting a Sherman’s March to the Sea, destroying anything and everything in their path.

      DESPICABLE, these gay activists!

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  • StepDale
    Posted on August 15, 2012 at 6:24pm

    “Woe to those who call evil good; and good evil…” — Isaiah 5:20

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  • v15
    Posted on August 15, 2012 at 6:22pm

    Janet Jenkins, you can come out of the closet now. We saw your pic and we know.

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  • Captain Crunch
    Posted on August 15, 2012 at 6:11pm

    “But when she arrived to pick up Isabella, no one was home.”

    Yes! Fantastic! Couldn’t happen to a better person. That woman has no right to to any relationship with the girl. Just ask God…He will say the same thing. It’s good to hear that some remnant of the underground RR still exists.

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    • encinom
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 6:24pm

      God is not a factor, the laws of the State of Vermont are. We are not theocracy, but a nation of laws. Judges do not consult the bible or other fairy tales, they consult the law books.

      The various Millers violated the law and deserve prison.

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    • Captain Crunch
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 6:35pm

      @encinom

      And what FAIRY TAIL did you escape from?

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    • SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 6:47pm

      @ ENCINOM…You are correct we are a nation of laws and for some there is a greater law to abide by, that being God’s law. For those individuals, they are willing to respectfully submit to the consequences imposed by the courts without remorse or regret. This will become more and more common as our laws become more and more unjust and rooted in the wisdom of man rather than the Judeo-Christian foundation our laws and courts were founded upon. Thank you…

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    • NOT A CRAZY
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 7:52pm

      Encino…our laws have their very foundation based upon God’s law. That is what our heritage is. It is disgusting beyond any stretch of the imagination that this judge would force this biological mother into this position. It is disgusting that this judge spit in God’s face and forced this pastor into a position were he had no choice but to help this lady out. It is disgusting that our nation has become so immoral that we would allow any homosexual to have children in the first place.

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    • Verceofreason
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 8:31pm

      Law and Order trumps YOUR god every time.
      Move to the Vatican.

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    • Git-R-Done
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 8:51pm

      Voiceofnoreason – What you consider law and order isn’t based on any morality. You Marxists are just pretending to have morals in order to try to cover up the fact that you’re just anti-Christian bigots.

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    • Git-R-Done
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 8:54pm

      Voiceofnoreason – If you want to live under an atheist state with no morality based on religion, move to North Korea.

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    • encinom
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 11:02pm

      There are few morals found in the Bible, a book that is okay with honor killing, genocide and slavery. Morality is found outside of the Christianity. To say the bible is the only source only shows how limit your knowledge is.

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    • Git-R-Done
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 4:34pm

      Encinom – You Marxists support genocide and slavery. You show that you have no knowledge at all since you think that morality is found outside the Bible.

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  • Owt_Raged
    Posted on August 15, 2012 at 6:10pm

    Now this is only my opinion based on experience in one or two child custody cases, but being married to someone who has a child, does not make YOU the child’s parent. If it did, there would never be a paternity case. I am wondering if the other “wife” was the egg donor.

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  • Larry E
    Posted on August 15, 2012 at 6:06pm

    It’s good to see that the pastor did what he thought was the right thing and is willing to accept whatever happens. Too many people weigh everything and won’t do a thing that might cause them any possible harm whether or not that thing is morally right. That includes a lot of Christians.

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    • PutMoreOnMyPlate
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 6:15pm

      @Larry

      My words :) Right or wrong we should all take responsibility for this world means nothing to Christians but the will of God should be done.

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    • encinom
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 6:26pm

      The Pastor is a criminal and deserves everything he got. We are not a theocracy, pastors and priests are not above the law, but subjected to it.

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    • VoteRightDammit
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 7:21pm

      Gay activists are the most despicable and odious people on earth.

      Janet and her gay activist attorney, and their Sherman’s March To The Sea in this case – destroying all in their way; damn the welfare of the child – are prime examples.

      As are you, Encinom.

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  • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
    Posted on August 15, 2012 at 6:05pm

    I am going to let God sort this one out; anything else I would comment the censors will not permit.

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    • encinom
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 6:27pm

      God has no place in this matter, its a matter of law. We are a secular nation, we do not use the bible as a law book. The Millers violated the law, they deserve nothing less than jail.

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    • Git-R-Done
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 8:55pm

      Encinom – You Marxists have no basis for what you consider law or morality, so you should keep your filthy trap shut.

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  • mecbb55
    Posted on August 15, 2012 at 5:59pm

    great read, and you payed such close attention. the pastor’s name is kenneth miller who is a male. the picture above is of the two female partners/mothers of the child (lisa miller and janet jenkins)

    besides the fact, many branches of christianity willfully accept homosexuals into their congregation. maybe yours doesn’t, but many do, here in America and abroad.

    never let the facts get in the way of some good old fashion hatred.

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    • hidden_lion
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 6:07pm

      How can they justify giving custody to the woman who has no actual connection to the child? No blood connection. No DNA connection, nothing. That is why people are against gay marriage. One more way they can ruin the family unit.

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    • FREEDOMoverFEAR
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 6:34pm

      It’s called adoption.

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    • Git-R-Done
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 8:03pm

      Freedomoverfear – She didn’t legally adopt her either. So she has no claims on this child whatsoever.

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  • Jimmy Stewart
    Posted on August 15, 2012 at 5:58pm

    Good job Pastor Ken Miller. Seems that he is in the right and not the woman suing.

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  • heavyduty
    Posted on August 15, 2012 at 5:47pm

    First of all I would call her a pastor! Anyone being gay is not going upstairs. You can’t sin willfully against God and expect Him to bless you.
    If you say you were born that way, then you are saying that God made a mistake. God doesn’t make mistakes.
    If you say you are saved and deny the Word of God then you are lying to yourself. Countless people have tried to show mistakes in the Word and have failed.

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    • DiscGo
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 5:56pm

      @HEAVYDUTY- You sound Christian, but if so how could you say this: “You can’t sin willfully against God and expect Him to bless you.”? I am pretty sure that Jesus met an adulterer and forgave her and then said “He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.” None of us are worthy of being blessed by your standard.

      As your brother in Christ, I suggest you focus less on judging others, and more on loving your neighbor.

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    • PutMoreOnMyPlate
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 6:09pm

      Are we reading the same article? If we are are you saying that if you were a lesbian and wanted to renounce your lifestyle to be a Christian then you couldn’t? And I highly doubt that Lisa Miller went on to be a preacher in Nicaragua to be a pastor with her daughter that she escaped with to protect from such an “abominable” lifestyle. But if you say there‘s no salvation from being gay then sir you’re denying your own salvation. We are no better than anyone regardless of beliefs or actions and we are saved through Jesus Christ regardless of what we have done. So no one not even a Christian has the right to condemn anyone for what they’ve done. I would ask that you reassess your own relationship with Christ.

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    • Git-R-Done
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 8:07pm

      Discgo – You don’t even know what love is. It doesn’t mean accepting everybody.

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    • Verceofreason
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 8:37pm

      You losers just refuse to accept tens of millions of folks in the USA are not christians.
      That’s the issue. That’s always the issue.
      Did you know 3 of Romney’s sons used in vitro to have children -do you thing Paul Ryan knows about that? It‘s against Ryan’s religion.

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    • Git-R-Done
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 8:50pm

      Voiceofnoreason – Why should we have to accept perverted Marxists like you who have no moral compass? You’ve never liked the founding of this country and you want to overthrow our Constitution and turn it into a Marxist dictatorship.

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