Pastor Who Told Parents to ‘Punch’ Effeminate Sons Speaks Out: ‘I Wasn’t Advocating Violence Against Gays’
- Posted on May 9, 2012 at 12:39pm by
Billy Hallowell
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A North Carolina-based preacher caused furor last week after his sermon encouraging parents to “punch” their gay sons made its way around the blogosphere.
While Pastor Sean Harris of Berean Baptist Church in Fayetteville, claims he was only joking, gay rights activists, among others, have publicly ridiculed his remarks. Earlier this week, Harris spoke out about the controversy in an interview with CNN.
“Can I make it any clearer?” Harris asked in the original sermon. “Dads, the second you see that son dropping the limp wrist, you walk over there and crack that wrist. Man up. Give them a good punch. OK?”
In his interview with CNN, the pastor explained — as he had in previous media interactions — that he wishes he had been more careful with his wording. He attempted to better frame the meaning behind his commentary.
“I was telling them, in strong words, that we’re not careful. What did I learn this week? Be more careful with your words,” he said, going on to recap how he would re-frame his words if he could go back and do so. ”I would say straighten that wrist…It’s amazing how punch has been equated to inciting violence against gay youth. That’s not what I meant.”
When pressed to provide more information about what, exactly, he intended by his encouragement that parents “punch” those young boys who are acting effeminately, he attempted to clarify.
“A shove, an affirmation. You see coaches give their players a good punch a good slug,” he said. “It’s a way of affirming the gender distinctions between a male and a female.”
Pastor Sean Harris
On the apology front — something many in the gay community would like to hear — Harris is only sorry over his choice of wording, not the Biblical views he holds dear.
“I was apologizing for my failure to say the right thing. To be more careful,” he said. “To make sure that no one thinks that Sean Harris is suggesting, as was said, although I never said this, ‘Beat the gay out of children.’”
The pastor also said that he doesn’t “believe there [is] such thing as gay children.”
“I was dealing with effeminate behavior and instructing parents to affirm the manhood or the womanhood in their children,” Harris said regarding apologizing. ”I don’t think I need to apologize for preaching to my people what the word of God says. That’s my responsibility.”
Members of his church defended Harris, claiming that they knew what the pastor meant during the controversial sermon and that he doesn’t need to apologize or change his wording.
“They knew that I wasn’t advocating violence against gays, lesbians, youth,” he said of his congregants.
Watch the CNN interview, below:
(H/T: CNN Belief Blog)
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Ookspay
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 8:54pmo
Report Post »Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 10:22pmHe was “only joking”. He‘s frickin’ hilarious, that one.
News flash, when LGBT young people routinely get beat up by their peers and beaten (to death) by their parents, making a comment about giving one “a good punch”… That is as far from a joke as Obama is from a Constitutional scholar.
He may not THINK that he was urging parents to beat the gay away, but the fact is that that is precisely what he DID do, and he is a singularly odious human being for having done so.
Report Post »walkandtalk
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 7:14pmThis man has a responsibility to teach love and kindness not ABUSE. People shouldn’t have been laughing they should have stood up and walked out in disgust. We live in a society where cruelty is being taught. It is not okay. Little children need to be protected and cared for and know their parents love them. There were probably small children in that congregation who now fear this pastor and are afraid if they do anything that Daddy doesn’t like he is going to beat them because he heard it in church. This guy is a disgrace
Report Post »VanceUppercut
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 6:13pm“I Wasn’t Advocating Violence Against Gays”
Yes. Yes, you were.
Report Post »SerikFox
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 5:25pmHow was there controversy? Just reading the transcript alone is pretty dang clear as to what he meant – this whole thing is ridiculous. It’s a phrase. A common one at that. It actually makes me angry that people are so distanced from the concept of “gender” that they don’t even understand what “give them a good punch” means. This whole “controversy” is stupid.
Report Post »SoNick
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 2:52pm“they don’t even understand what “give them a good punch” means”. Neither do I, apparently… Please explain it to me. Does it mean: “accept them and love them for who they are”? Does it mean “God loves you?”.
Report Post »mcsledge
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 3:54pmWhen you raise a child to be an ‘it’ (i.e. not boy or girl), don’t be surprised at the outcome.
Report Post »symphonic
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 3:01pmHey how’d you like to have a HERTZ DONUT?
P U N C H
Hurt‘s don’t it? I guess corporal punishment is bad when directed toward an effeminate boy?
Report Post »huntinwabbits
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 2:37pmYes…let’s banish this Pastor and defame him til his last day for saying the word punch. Meanwhile, liberals are threatening death to people and it’s ok. Slight double standard maybe? And wow what a crazy PC world we live in. I thought I was on CNN reading these comments. What an influence such a small percentage of people can have on the minds of the weak. All these people saying you can‘t use the word ’punch’ and kids in the same sentence! My goodness people, it does not take many brain cells to figure out what the pastor was actually talking about. If you really thought he was encouraging the beating of children then you need to see a counselor and ask how to quit playing the victim in life. What a bunch of pansies. I am sorry, but never will I respect and revere you more for the number of scarves you own. Good news is that I have a firing mechanism that can fix that lisp and limp hand for you.
Report Post »TheBlazeIsNotRighteous
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 6:10pm@huntinwabbits
You are the problem.
Report Post »Constructionist
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 2:23pmBe careful punching your gay children, I‘m pretty sure that’s classified as a hate crime now. However, if you still feel that you must, have a large crowd pull them out of their cars and beat them in the middle of the street in Norfolk, Virginia. They turn a blind eye down to such things down there.
Report Post »zoro51
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 2:06pmOH yes YOU were.. FALSE PREACHER… YOU sir are a PIECE OF WORK for HATE n violence form the CHURCH its self…… Do unto others… YEAH if it suits YOUR AGENDA… rot in HELL
Report Post »blackyb
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 2:04pmPeople should not punch their kids for this. Parents should be leaders, not abusers. All kids go through a stage of being babies and delicate and start being more who they are as a few years pass. I am hoping this preacher was at a loss for the appropriate words to describe what he seemed to be attempting to “lead” his son into right choices. The “punch” thing was likely a poor choice of words, if not this man needs to rethink his way of dealing with children. Some people want to toughen up their boys, but believe me that will do that on their own in a few years. Leave kids alone and let them grow into who they are. They were not given to experiment with. Leadership and love will lead a child towards the right thing, but an overbearing ogre will cause his to distance himself from those who are being mean to them. Children are a gift from god and should be treated with respect, disciplined properly and for the right things, and allowed plenty of nourishment, fresh air and sunshine to grow. This is so scary to some men, they are wanting to do a flight or fight thing. It is just not something we should have to be talking about all the time. It should not be encouraged or even talked about in schools. We need leadership in this country and in the homes based upon what is right and good from God.
Report Post »RabbiDRJerkins
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 1:43pmShalom,
So, I guess the Lord was lying when he told his people to execute homosexuals… good to know.
We SOULD sdvocate violence against any who call themselves people of the Lord and commit homosexual acts; the Lord does.
Report Post »I do not call the Lord a liar.
DIVINEPROVIDENCE1776
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 1:51pmThe “Bible” you read was written by Lucifer apparently. RabbidJerk is a good name for you.
Report Post »RabbiDRJerkins
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 2:21pmHmm… book of Leviticus, Chapter 20, verse 13…
Report Post »Nope, not from any of the books of the adversary (Koran, book of Mormon, etc.), definitely the Scripture.
phillyatheist
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 2:25pmi do. he’s a total liar. he said that shellfish are an abomination, but lobster is delicious. he also said that bats are birds. so he’s either a liar or a stupid SOB.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 2:27pmthat’s from Leviticus 11:12. bye bye Red Lobster, so long Bubba Gump Shrimp company.
Report Post »RabbiDRJerkins
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 2:57pmShalom,
Report Post »I am well aware of the Law in regards to the clean and unclean. The fact that someone might enjoy something does not alter it being right or wrong. Most sinners take pleasure in their sin, that is why they do it. The Lord is a liar because you have a sensual appreciation for something he calls an abomination?; weak argument indeed.
Also, the bat is quite correctly identified as a creature that flies (’owph), and not as a bird (tsippowr), in Leviticus 11 where it is among flying creatures that are to be held in abomination, many of which happen to be birds. Please forgive the transliterations of the Hebrew words ‘owph and tsippowr; I could not get the Hebrew characters to load.
Glad I could clear that up for you, so you no longer have to think the Lord liar.
phillyatheist
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 3:05pmRABBI – yes, thanks for clarifying. all that Biblical goblygook makes sense now. i will head down to the Louisiana coast and tell them American Christians and Jews no longer want their shrimp.
seriously, do you really think God ever gave a rat’s behind what people are eating? it’s just more Biblical nonsense.
if i recall, God is a big fan of slavery in the Old Testament. was he lying, or just plain wrong? or did Lincoln get it wrong? please explain.
Report Post »RabbiDRJerkins
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 3:43pmShalom,
Christians and Jews who follow the Scripture have never been a customer of the shrimpers, so not much change there and the shrimpers need not worry about their livelyhood.
Nice bit of foolish hyperbole, though; will you also be flying to California to inform the pornography producers that the Christians and Jews do not have a taste for their product? Will you warn Planned Parenthood that Chistians and Jews will no longer be getting abortions? They probably already know.
Yes, what we eat is a portion of how we interact with the world the lord Created. One of the Lord’s first commandments was about what we should and should not eat (Genesis 2:16-17). Our welfare is very high on the Lord’s list.
You recall incorrectly. The Lord is very clear in his stance against slavery; it is a crime that carries the death penalty (Exodus 21:16). With modern slang and sloppy language use, many have difficulty with the concept that words used to actually mean something definite, and were not interchangeable. Servitude, being a servant, is a paid position. Slavery is forced labor without recompense and is equated with stealing someone’s life and thus committing murder. Likewise, the occurrance of events being recorded within Scripture does not lend them any weight or appropriateness. Scripture contains the records of numerous murders, rapes and other atrocities that are against the Lord and his Law. People doing things does not make them appropriate.
Report Post »walkandtalk
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 7:16pmI suspect your a fake
Report Post »REALID 239823749828-HIF
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 9:57am@RABBIDRJERKINS
I take issue with this statement: “Christians and Jews who follow the Scripture have never been a customer of the shrimpers”.
How can you be so knowledgeable about all your other points and miss the simple fact that the law does not apply to Christians? Jesus abolished the law when he died on the cross. If you‘re an orthodox Jew and don’t believe Christ was the son of God, well, I guess the law still applies to you, and you’re pretty screwed, because you can’t live up to the law.
From my point of view, as a Christian and a gentile, the law is basically a moral compass, nothing more. It’s not binding, and if I choose not to live in a kosher manner, that isn’t a sin.
Report Post »holy ghostbuster
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 10:47am@ Realid – you said Jesus abolished the law when he died on the cross. Did he also abolish the ten commandments? I know where you’re coming from, and like most Christians you have an answer for everything.
Report Post »REALID 239823749828-HIF
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 12:32pm@HOLY GHOSTBUSTER
If you want to have a conversation about this, I’ll be glad to do so. One ground rule though, you’re already starting to be condescending and insulting in your initial post. If you can’t converse civilly, then please go troll someone else.
Now, that being said, no, I do not have an answer for everything. Some things I do have an answer for. Some of my answers are right, and some are wrong. I’m fallible just like anyone else.
The ten commandments are not the same as the mosaic law as described in the Pentateuch. Mosaic law was ceremonial in nature, while the ten commandments are moral in nature. Even though Jesus stated in the sermon on the mount that he did not come to abolish the law, he fulfilled it so we don’t have to.
The law was intentionally written in such a way as to make human imperfection obvious and reveal the need for Jesus. Animal sacrifice was used to atone for the inevitable misstep in the old testament, but Jesus was the final sacrifice on the cross thus eliminating the need for any future animal sacrifice.
Am I suppose to live in a kosher manner because it’s written in the law? Perhaps. I could be wrong. But I do not believe that to be the case. God has not revealed to my heart that eating shrimp is a sin. The holy spirit is here to guide us and convict us when we sin. I’ve been convicted plenty of times, but not for eating shrimp.
Report Post »RabbiDRJerkins
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 3:11pm@REALID
Shalom,
Report Post »I am sorry to hear that you take issue with my statement.
As the Lord himself said that the Law was for all generations, and must be applied the same to both Jew and Gentile; as the Messiah himself said that no portion of the Law would pass until heaven and earth passed away; as there are still generations; as heaven and earth is still here; as this is clearly contained in Scripture, I stand by my statement. “Christians and Jews who follow the Scripture have never been a customer of the Shrimpers.”
When the Lord himself says one thing (The Law is for all generations, same Law for Jew and non-Jew), the Messiah says the same thing (until heaven and earth pass away, not one title or jot of the Law shall in any wise pass until all has been fulfilled), and then anyone says the opposite (the Law does not apply to all, the Law has been fulfilled, or the Law just does not apply); so long as there are still generations, so long as the earth is still here, integrity demands that I take the side of the Lord, his Messiah and his Word, against whoever says that it is not so.
Also, I do not think the Lord was trying to make myself and the rest of his people “screwed” as you so colorfully put it; it does not go with what I know of his character and is counter-productive for a Lord desiring reconciliation with his creation.
REALID 239823749828-HIF
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 6:08pm@RABBIDRJERKINS
I appreciate your conviction and your use of scripture to back up your claims, however, I still assert that your claims fly in the face of evidence in the New Testament, and I would like to see you address the points I made in my post to HOLY GHOSTBUSTER.
Next, the Lord says no less than 14 times in Leviticus that he is speaking to the children of Israel. This implies that the Law was never intended for gentiles. When Jesus said that “not one title or jot” shall pass away until all had been fulfilled, he was saying the law will be in full effect until the entire law has been fulfilled, which he did, and abolished the sacrificial system, which was in itself part of the law. He could not abolish part of the law and leave the rest intact. He fulfilled the WHOLE law, and we reap the benefits of that.
Read the following: http://www.gotquestions.org/abolish-fulfill-law.html
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 1:42pmyou religious folk with your crazy churches crack me up. you have no idea how wonderful it feels to not be associated with this stuff anymore.
gay people are not just going to magically go away, no matter how hard you pray on it or how hard you beat on them. sorry you’re so scared of them, but if you were truly confident in your sexuality you would care less what people do in the privacy of their own homes.
Report Post »huntinwabbits
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 2:20pmYea, because bowing down to this small small group of people and letting them have their way will all the sudden make them disappear and we’d all have no more troubles? Get real. What did Rockefeller say when ask how much money it takes to make one happy? “Just a little more.” If anyone truly thinks that letting the few abnormal people get their way will make it so they are no longer invading you’re home and life then you have gravely mistaken. I for one will not cater to this minority, the same as I will not cater to those who want to marry their pets, cars, etc. And I am not a fool who thinks you all will just go away if the sanctity of marriage is shattered and extended to these perverse people. If only homosexuals would keep it in the bedroom…but no. It’s got entire channels and tv shows dedicated. There are certain areas of my city I avoid like the plague. I highly doubt that would change if they got their way.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 2:29pmHUNTING – funny, that’s EXACTLY how i feel about religion.
Report Post »huntinwabbits
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 2:51pmExcellent point. Homosexuals given what they want will go away about as much as religious people who have gotten their way.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 3:06pmso we’re in agreement. a Blaze first for me.
Report Post »Git-R-Done
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 11:39pmPhillyatheist – Your leftist dogma has killed more people throughout history than any religion has. You have no right to preach tolerance and diversity down people’s throats while practicing the opposite towards those who are different from you. At least my side doesn’t preach tolerance and diversity.
Report Post »Nemo13
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 1:36pmLimp-wristed or liberal, a punch is fine. Make it a good one! Hahaha…
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 1:43pmactually, it’s called child abuse. they tend to arrest people who get caught doing it.
Report Post »DIVINEPROVIDENCE1776
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 1:48pmCan we punch you for being ignorant and full of hate? Naw, let’s just let you wallow in it.
Report Post »Git-R-Done
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 11:40pmDivineprovidence1776 – How are you not as hateful as those you accuse of being hateful by wanting to commit violence against them?
Report Post »IMCHRISTIAN
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 1:20pmA pastor or anyone should chose their words wisely before speaking.
Report Post »Calm Voice of Reason
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 1:16pmYou are 100% right. Curb-stomp your kids and, if they survive, you’ll never have to share a table with them ever again, gay OR straight. Nor should you deserve to.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 1:47pmit doesn’t have to be a curb stomp. just lock them in the basement with minimal food/water for a month, or send them to a re-education camp. curb stomping should be last resort. //sarcasm
Report Post »Git-R-Done
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 11:37pmYet that’s what you radical atheists want to do to all of your political opponents.
Report Post »Tri-ox
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 1:03pmGay or straight, boys should be taught, should be raised, to be masculine – fathers must be proactive in raising their sons. Proper gender identification must be imprinted on children.
Report Post »TEIN
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 12:58pmThere are not homosexual children for that matter people …homosexual is the gender you do the sex act with…. The Pastor is correct, if you child is being brainwashed or glamorized in thinking about homosexual act, help them know who they are and what is expected of them…
Report Post »DarthMims
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 12:58pmCan’t we just start punching pastors in the back of the head when they say something stupid? It seems to be happening a lot lately. Not that I’m advocating violence against pastors, you people just misunderstood. I meant to just go over and give them a good manly thump in the head with your fist when they say something stupid, you know, to teach them better.
Report Post »Calm Voice of Reason
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 12:53pmFunny how the religious right has a death grip on the definition of “marriage”, but expects the world to play loosey-goosey over what “punch” means…
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 9:26pmI can sum up his argument in one sentence
“because I believe something doesn’t exist, it therefore doesn’t exist”
Report Post »piper22
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 9:46pmYeah funny how they monopolize the same meaning the Greeks used…and the Romans, Persians, Babylonians, Ottomans, Mayans, and on and on. Funny, that.
Report Post »DIVINEPROVIDENCE1776
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 12:51pmAs a Christian I find what he said unconscionable. A joke? Really? I don’t believe it. He’s just trying to back peddle in my humble opinion. I do not agree with the gay lifestyle and believe it is a sin, but beat your kids over it or beat anyone for being gay? The God I know would not approve, the God I know is a loving God. He abhors the sin, but loves the sinner.
Report Post »Obamammy
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 1:03pmYou are hilarious. You are saying that God approves of Homosexuality when Sodom and Gomorrah fell like gays in the final stages of AIDS.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 1:08pm“While Pastor Sean Harris of Berean Baptist Church in Fayetteville, claims he was only joking, gay rights activists, among others, have publicly ridiculed his remarks.”
Proverbs 26:18-19
“18 Like a maniac shooting
Report Post »flaming arrows of death
19 is one who deceives their neighbor
and says, “I was only joking!””
DIVINEPROVIDENCE1776
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 1:26pm@OBAMAMMY So happy I could amuse you. “You are saying that God approves of Homosexuality when Sodom and Gomorrah fell like gays in the final stages of AIDS.” Where in my comments did I say this. Delusional much? You are the typical hate-filled hypocrite far righty.
Report Post »LLATPOH
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 12:51pmIt definitely went viral. I heard it earlier this week. Sure, it may have crossed a line to some, but I could tell what he was trying to say.
Hope he sticks to what scripture actually says next time.
Report Post »Calm Voice of Reason
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 12:50pmWhat make and model turnip truck does one need to fall off of in order to be “amazed” at how people equate “give them a good punch” with calling for violence? Can you say “cognitive dissonance”? Yes, I knew you could.
Report Post »mikefromaltoona
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 12:48pm‘I Wasn’t Advocating Violence Against Gays’. Children, come on, I was talking about children.
Report Post »deeberj
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 12:47pmI understood what he meant and I’m not in his church or in his area. Policital Correctness is killing us.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 1:45pmhate based on ancient Biblical scripture is killing us. this isn’t about being PC, it’s about a very dangerous message that not all people will handle responsibly.
Report Post »girlnurse
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 4:37pmPHILLYATHIEST: You kiddin me? We Americans are being stereotyped and put into boxes all day long. If we as Christians follow the bible and are against homosexuality we are labled homohaters-bigots, etc. Yet you people are free to bash and steretype Christians every day and as much as possible, Hypocrite much? Look whats happening in this country..lazy, pregnant teens rebellious, sit watching video games all day,,,,but oh we better be nice to them ha? As the stench of abortion mills continues cranking out dead babies and here we have a President soooo against “bullying” yet….would murder a baby in a skinny minute if his kids made a “mistake”….hypocrite much? Get real. Open your eyes and look around you my friend!
Report Post »brother_ed
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 12:47pmI’ll believe him when he says that his comments were meant in a joking manor.
I would add, as a side bar, that when people go to church to be entertained, this is what you expect – a comedic show.
I think too many pastors are trying to be colloquial and that the message is being glossed over.
Stick to the words of the prophets and apostles, you can’t go wrong.
Report Post »Nepenthe
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 12:53pmJoking manner? As a man of God, it should have never occured to him to even “think” of such a thing, let alone “say” the thing.
Report Post »brother_ed
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 1:05pm@NEPENTHE
Hence the rest of my comment…
Report Post »Nepenthe
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 2:45pmTrue, I didn’t mean for my comment to be a reflection on your comment, but rather a reflection on the mindset behind this man’s preaching.
Report Post »brother_ed
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 11:27pm@NEPENTHE
Gotcha.
I read your comment from the wrong perspective.
No disrespect to you intended.
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