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Update: Pastor’s Daughter Dies After Accidental Shooting Inside Church

Pastors Daughter Accidentally Shot in the Head in Church Dies

(AP) — Authorities say a Florida pastor’s daughter who was accidentally shot in the head in a church died Saturday at a hospital.

The Pinellas County Sheriff’s Office says 20-year-old Hannah Kelley was pronounced dead at about 10:20 a.m. Saturday at Bayfront Medical Center. An autopsy is pending.

Kelley had been hospitalized since Feb. 12, when she was struck in the head by a bullet at Grace Connection Church in St. Petersburg, where her father Tim Kelley is pastor.

Investigators have said Moises Zambrana was showing his gun in a small closet to another church member interested in buying a firearm. The St. Petersburg Times reports that the other church member, Dustin Bueller, was Hannah Kelley’s fiancee.

Pastors Daughter Accidentally Shot in the Head in Church Dies

Hannah Kelley, 20, was shot in the head on Sunday (Image Credit: Facebook)

Zambrana reportedly removed the magazine from the Ruger 9mm weapon but did not know that a round was still in the chamber. The gun went off, firing a bullet through a wall. Kelley was struck in the head.

The sheriff’s office says detectives are still investigating the shooting. No charges have been filed.

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  • TemayElbor
    Posted on February 19, 2012 at 5:22am

    They went to church for the wrong reason.

    “KEEP the SABBATH day HOLY”

    “He who kills by the ”sword“ shall die by the ”sword”….Jesus said at Gethsemane.

    Getting a gun for protection????? Where is the …..”AS I HAVE LOVED YOU, LOVE ONE ANOTHER…..by this shall men know, ye are my disciples, if ye have LOVE ONE TO ANOTHER”?

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    • Rocky_Top
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 8:34am

      Are you going to tell that to the man that is about to rape and kill your daughter? I don’t think it will stop him. ……………… But my gun will.

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    • ecso828
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 8:36am

      Tema… are you implying that the Bible teaches, or Christ taught, that we aren’t allowed to defend ourselves?

      If so, I need to know where you live. Because I’m coming to your house to steal all your stuff. And the only thing you can do is love me and quote Bible verses to me. So, while I’m smacking you around and stealing your TV, you’d better not do anything to stop me.

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    • toidiegalliv
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 9:06am

      Temayelbor, sir or madam. I have no harsh words or instruction for you; I simply request that you re-examine the wording of the passages you mention and that you have another look at the context in which the statements are uttered.

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    • sawbuck
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 9:09am

      Temayelbor
      I wouldn’t mix what this idiot did ..
      With what Jesus said about living and dieing by the sword.

      I cant disagree more with you…About carrying a weapon for “protection”,

      Even when they came for Jesus his followers defended him.
      ________

      Luke 22 :49-51 (niv)
      49 When Jesus’ followers saw what was going to happen,
      they said, “Lord, should we strike with our swords?”
      50 And one of them struck the servant of the high priest,
      cutting off his right ear.
      51 But Jesus answered, “No more of this!” And he touched the man’s ear and healed him.
      _________

      As you can see ……..Jesus followers ….. “were carrying”..!

      Wouldn’t a parent defend their child..?
      Wouldn’t you “Protect” your family ?

      If a person stood by silently by and allowed someone to do harm.
      When they could have done something …are they not held accountable..?
      _________

      Rev. 21:8 (niv) Jesus spoke…

      8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”
      ___________

      Notice the first one…… “COWARDLY “.

      Can a Christian NOT be in law enforcement..? Or Military ..?
      Are they not protecting…?

      And when someone dies “by the sword”
      Isn’t that only ….the first death…..?

      The SECOND DEATH is what a person should be concerned

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    • martyinhagerstown
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 9:11am

      Why did Jesus ask the disciples if they had a sword?
      What was his reply to their answer.
      Look it up and stand corrected or remain a moron.
      You choose.

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    • Flapjack
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 9:40am

      Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. -Luke 22:36

      My personal policy for self defense it that I will kill or give my own life to protect the life of another (family, friends etc…). My own life is in the hands of the Father however, and it‘s not up to me to choose my own life over someone else’s, unless God specifically directs me to do so.

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    • Captain77
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 12:15pm

      Jesus Christ later taught that if you have a cloak, sell it for a sword.

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    • ChiefGeorge
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 12:29pm

      The translation of kill is actually murder. When one LIVES by the weapon, they do it in dominion over others. When one KILLS they do it in defense against evil. The commandment is not to murder. This is always confused and always used by those who hate God in an attempt to show contradiction. There is none. This was an accident, my thoughts and prayers are with both families in this tragic accident. This is not murder nor a killing.

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    • lukerw
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 4:14pm

      If you think… GOD gives Man FreeWill but is still present… and follows us around… then you must believe that this is the WILL of GOD… and HE Killed Her!

      ‘Living by the Sword’.. means, as in Roman times… receiving Pay to Kill! Re. Luke 22:36!

      There is nothing wrong with Bible… just a problem with “interpretation”!

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    • Charles
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 6:00pm

      Your “lets all be cowards ’cause the bible tells us so” nonsense does not belong in this thread.

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    • JediKnight
      Posted on February 20, 2012 at 2:26pm

      Let’s also not forget that Jesus was berating his apostle at the moment because nothing the apostle did could stop what was going to happen. What was going to happen was Jesus Christ’s arrest, trial, and crucifixion. Jesus was willing to go peacefully. His apostles were attempting to defend him. It was unnecessary and Jesus knew it, but they did not understand it. They (the apostle) lashed out out of fear and not understanding.

      As others have stated, to “live by the sword” means using it as power over others. Using it in self defense is not only perfectly acceptable but is also taught in Leviticus. And yes, “murder” is mistranslated into “kill”.

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  • GBMBulletsSKNRD
    Posted on February 19, 2012 at 4:21am

    Guns don’t kill people. Stupid numbnuts kill people. Tragic, I feel for the families and hate this kind of story.

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    • Zer0
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 5:18am

      If I hand someone a semi-automatic pistol, I ALWAYS remove the magazine and clear the chamber, ESPECIALLY if I do not know the level of experience the person has with firearms.

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    • The_Almighty_Creestof
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 6:31am

      Something stinks here. A guy goes to church, hooks up with another church goer in a closet to see his weapon, pulls the mag but not the live round, then fires it through the wall “on accident” …and just happens to hit his own fiancee in the head?

      The weapon could have been pointed at the time of firing in any of 360 degrees (not to mention the up & down angles), the girl could have been anywhere in the 360 degrees surrounding the closet …and the round just happens to strike her? And not in the arm, leg or torso…but in the head which is almost a certain kill shot (Gabby Giffords miracle not withstanding)…No…something stinks here.

      If this was an accident (dry firing with a live round in the chamber)…then this twit took at aim at her on purpose thinking to whisper “BANG!” to his buddy and then laugh it off.

      Tragic beyond belief that such a lovely young lady was taken before her time, tragic for her fiancee if this really was an accident as he will have to live with this for the rest of his life.

      But…

      I’ll say it again…

      Something stinks here!

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    • grannyrecipe
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 7:48am

      Prayers to the family and friends.

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    • bpodlesnik
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 7:56am

      @Almighty You make a very good point.

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    • ecso828
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 8:40am

      @The_Almighty… Are you implying that, this guy, standing in a closet, somehow knew exactly where this young lady was standing after being in the closet for a period of time that we don’t know? And that he was able to aim the weapon, through a wall that he could not see through, and hit this young lady in the head? Is that what you’re implying?

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    • Flapjack
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 9:50am

      @ Almighty

      Couldn’t agree with you more, except on one point, and that is where you mention that she was taken “before her time.” Yes she was taken before HER own time, but not before God’s timing. Like you said, If this truly was an accident, then she could have been anywhere within the 360 degrees surrounding the closet, and that round could have hit her anywhere. Even so, while we may not understand why God would choose to take her at this time and in this fashion, His plan is greater and he sees everything from His viewpoint, while what we see is limited to the confines of time and our world. Isaiah 55:8-9

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    • The_Almighty_Creestof
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 10:38am

      @ ecso828

      No, not at all. It is much easier to believe that he and his friend danced a variation of the Texas 2-step & the polka while spining around, hopping on one leg, rubbing their belly’s and patting their heads before firing a single shot through a closet door/wall and into the head of the one guys fiancee. Yeah that is what happened…I’m sure of it.

      This is going to be like the athiests preference in believing that a 1 in gazillion, bazillion, kwatrillion accident created man from some stray enzymes landing on a still forming earth on the backs of crystals.

      Believe what you want to. I prefer Mr. Holmes’s “Once you eliminate the impossible, what is left –no matter how improbable– is the correct solution.”

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    • flyoverbob
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 12:17pm

      I dont know if I buy this guys story.If he is a trained security officer I know he was taught gun safety.
      I was in the army as a young manand had gun safety drilled into me.
      Anytime I hand someone a weaponI clear it,and if someone hands me a weapon I clear it.
      Even if it was an accident as he said he should pay a penalty for this.When he handles a weapon and hands it to someone I beleive he is taking responsability for what happens.I beleive by his actions he is saying the weapon is safe.
      And even if you still want to say it was a accident that it was loaded,you still do not point a weapon at someone.Now that was something I was taught as far back as I can remember,when we hunted rabbits as a kid.

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    • Richalu
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 1:05pm

      Almighty… One thing wrong with your theory. Nowhere could I find in the stories that this young womans fiancee was the one that shot the weapon. In fact, the family is said to have forgiven Zambrana, the gun owner. Sounds like HE was the one that accidently fired it.

      Kinda shoots down your whole rant/accusation. (pun intended)

      And, flyoverbob… About ‘trained’ security. I frequent a gun shop/indoor range west of Atlanta. They give various classes during the month, including to potential future armed security personnel. They’ve indicated to me that is an especially scary day when these people come in for their weapons qualifications. Apparently, no matter the amount of class time, and personal attention is spent, their are some that just don’t get it. Many do, though, get that position as armed security somewhere, even after technically failing the quals.

      The moral is, I guess, don’t make sudden unexpected moves in a private bank or locations where private security is. If you don’t know the person, and don’t know for fact their gun handling capabilities, take nothing for granted.

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    • Rosey
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 2:31pm

      I hate it when stupid people do things like this…it makes responsible gun owners/conceal carry holders look bad, which he was neither. Just an idiot w/a gun, or he did it on purpose…

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    • casseopea42
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 8:51pm

      @ The_Almighty_Creestof

      You make a good point. The autopsy will certanly tell if there was wall debry in the wound or not. That would certanly help to point out where he was when he shot her. Science will figure out the facts, it often does.

      After taking a NRA safty course it is quite clear he didnt follow the one rule our trainer kept saying over and over and over and over and over again….

      “make sure the gun in your hand is unloaded and never point a gun at anything you don’t intend to destroy”

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    • ecso828
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 10:40pm

      @ The_Almighty

      “Freak” accidents happen frequently. I guess my big point is, based on what we KNOW from the article, there isn’t any other conclusion to reach except it was an accident… at this point. There are so many things the article doesn’t cover, such as the location of the bullet hole through the wall. The position of the door, how long they two dudes were in the closet, was the woman moving, sitting, or standing at the time of the shot, who else was in the room, how big was the room the woman was in, etc. So many variables that are unknown to people like you and I who are only reading the article on this news site. in fact, way too many variables and way too many unknowns to assume there has to be some big conspiracy behind the shooting.

      But, hey! If you want to live thinking everything is a conspiracy just because you don’t understand it, go for it! I’m smart enough to know not to make such silly assumptions and conclusions based on such limited information.

      Enjoyed talking with you! Take care!

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    • The_Almighty_Creestof
      Posted on February 20, 2012 at 6:13am

      @ ecso828

      True enough. For all we know, she was standing as a lookout just outside the closet with her head leaning against the wall. Maybe she came up and tapped on the door/wall to say “Hey! You going to be in there all day?” Did he shoot through the wall or the door?

      Too few facts are known at this time…you are right.

      I’ll tell you though, that even in a crowded room with noise, I can pick up the unique footsteps and voices of those I know…even if I were on the other side of a closet door/wall…and within reason could probably follow them around the room with the barrel of a weapon, sight unseen. To actually fire and hit my target in the head though would be so far beyond me and the odds of chance as to be impossible.

      @ RICHALU Wow! You are right…I had not noticed that. I did assume it was the fiancee.

      However it happened…it is a tragic end to a young life. The rest is all curiosity info, as I doubt there was any intent on the part of any involved. My only reason in pointing out the whole “something stinks here”, is that –if there is a cover up between the two men as to what happened– it is going to make healing and self forgiveness virtually impossible for the fiancee.

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  • Diane TX
    Posted on February 19, 2012 at 2:44am

    I’m still trying to wrap my mind around someone selling a gun in a Church. It doesn’t seem to be the proper place to do that. The fact that the buyer was the fiancee of the woman who was killed, seems like God was very angry that the fiancee would buy a gun in a Church.

    Coincidence or God’s wrath?

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    • DJEyeDub
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 3:00am

      There is some awful coincidences with this story there is no denying that. I doubt very much it was God’s anger that made this happen. Poor judgement and careless handling of a firearm it would seem.

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    • Pendragon
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 3:13am

      Churches in suburban and rural areas do this all the time…It is not uncommon and as well in Temple. They have guns there for a reason as they have been warned that the Occupy People and Muslim Terrorists might try and make a point When I go to service I carry a .25 mm Taurus it is locked and loaded…Not because I plan to shoot anyone but in case someone comes in to threaten the innocent lives of others I am not the only one and Most of the places of Christian and Jewish Worship do this…some will say it in the open some never mention it…But trust me they have guns there for protection

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    • Diane TX
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 3:55am

      I used to own a company, but I’m retired now. If I still owned a company, I wouldn’t consider hiring anyone who was obviously a Muslim, just as I wouldn’t consider hiring anyone who was obviously a member of the KKK.

      The KKK is anti-Catholic, anti-Jewish, and anti-Black. The Muslims are anti- anyone that’s not a Muslim. I believe in our 1st amendment right of religious freedom, but I’m against those who say, – it’s their religion, and those who insist on no religion, or “else”. I respect the right of everyone to practice whatever religion they believe in, and the rights of those who have no religion. However, don’t even attempt to force your beliefs or non beliefs on me. If you don’t interfere with me, I won’t interfere with you.

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    • Diane TX
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 4:04am

      Oops! I mixed up my tabs and commented on the wrong story in the above comment.

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    • Proud Stray Dog
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 11:15am

      @Diane TX:

      In our church, most of us either conceal carry or open carry. Just because you are sitting in a church pew isn’t going to stop a madman hell-bent on killing you. Too many Christians have been mislead about the right of self defense by their own friends, family, and leaders.

      Prayers sent to the family of this young woman..

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  • Wyld_goose
    Posted on February 19, 2012 at 2:40am

    dammit noooo!

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  • Captain Crunch
    Posted on February 19, 2012 at 2:27am

    We all to stupid & careless things sometimes. Hopefully not very often. Just hope and pray that it isn’t you holding the gun when the next careless mistake happens. Don’t be overly smug about your experience. Could be you standing there in that closet with a smoking gun. God be with this whole family. So sad.

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    • Lesterp
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 7:26am

      Very true Capt. I have made serious mistakes in my younger days that fortunetly didn’t have a tragic outcome. Let this be a HUGE reminder to all of us gun owners to be safe. Prayers to all involved!

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  • The Third Archon
    Posted on February 19, 2012 at 2:19am

    “Zambrana reportedly removed the magazine from the Ruger 9mm weapon but did not know that a round was still in the chamber. The gun went off, firing a bullet through a wall. Kelley was struck in the head.”
    Rookie mistake–shame, you think a security guard would have known better.
    How sad to lose this young woman in her prime–my condolences and sympathy to her family. If her God is real, I hope she is with Him.

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    • Wyld_goose
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 2:49am

      stupid, and I’m sure, life wrecking mistake that will destroy more then one life. Treat all guns as if they are loaded, never dry fire in the 1st place. God, this sucks!. Nothing wrong with have a healthy fear of firearms, it’ keeps you in respect of them. What on earth can come of this? dammit! this sucks

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    • Mil-Dot
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 3:35am

      I agree with the Cap’n. No need to play pile on. It has all been said already. When your number is called, you have to go upstairs. It was her time.

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    • JJ Coolay
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 4:56am

      Third Archon.. you’d think so, but that’s not necessarily the case.
      I’m a security guard and he majority of the positions in the company I work for are non-commissioned. Most security officers don’t use guns. So the don’t necessarily go hand in hand.
      The gun seller (not necessarily the buyer) should have known about the one in the chamber. That was a careless and sadly a very costly mistake.

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  • Lead-B-4-Guns
    Posted on February 19, 2012 at 2:10am

    Just another careless gun owner feeding the liberal media and giving Brady more ammunition.
    Sad stories like this demonstrate why training should be mandatory country wide.

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  • Itsjusttim
    Posted on February 19, 2012 at 1:49am

    This is sad. I also get the sensation of a little sulfur, and I hope this thing doesn‘t affect her father’s effectiveness at preaching the Gospel.

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    • Itsjusttim
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 1:55am

      I‘m sure some people know what I’m speaking of, speaking of the way how lately Satan is popping up here and there. Maybe even speaking to your children in the night while they sleep, and you will know it if you take the time to listen to children who talk in their sleep.

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    • Captain Crunch
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 2:15am

      Pray over them at night before they go to sleep.

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    • Wyld_goose
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 2:51am

      broken and destroyed.

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  • politicaljules
    Posted on February 19, 2012 at 1:46am

    I pray for her fiance. Can you imagine the horror and the guilt he feels. What if? And facing her parents when you were supposed to bring such joy into their lives? So much prayer and understanding is needed here. Btw…. Christians are not God’s perfect ones. Far frome it. But we do have the incredible gift of unconditional love frome the only One who is perfect. It is the examle we are given in order to love ourselves and each other the same way.

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  • niagra
    Posted on February 19, 2012 at 1:38am

    the fiance was shot the girl. was there problemes, what are the chances of that? she gets shot boyfreinf involved was he aiming or siteing in??/ i dont understand the Accident
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    • kevinj319
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 1:44am

      Me failed English? That’s unpossible!

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    • JJ Coolay
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 5:01am

      Lol Kevin.

      Niagara, apparently she was on the other side of the wall. I mean, that’s what the story alludes to anyway. He didn’t know there was a round in the chamber, probably pulled the trigger thinking he was dry firing and shot through a wall and hit his girlfriend who was in another room. I‘m guessing that’s how it went.
      I doubt very seriously he was taking aim at his GF.

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  • wntsmallgov
    Posted on February 19, 2012 at 1:28am

    careless on both parties. Gun safety dictates always check the chamber before giving the gun to someome. Then that person checks it again to make sure it is clear. Then again look at that SEAL who was showing off his gun collection after he was drinking. Even well trained people who handle weapons in the most extreme cases can become over coffident.

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  • Grannie4news
    Posted on February 19, 2012 at 1:01am

    @vicksvaporub: How cold hearted can you be? Are you an athiest or Muslim?

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    • VicksVaporub
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 1:17pm

      Maybe you should be both if your alternative is getting your kids head blown off in church.

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  • Keith Wilson
    Posted on February 19, 2012 at 12:51am

    It is sad when anyone dies but I don’t hear people wanting to ban cars when a drunk kills someone or butcher knives when someone stabs another person. Guns are dangerous and shouldn’t be handled by inexperienced people period. Of course that goes for cars, forklifts, dangerous machines, electricity, etc. I get sick of people trying to use a tragedy like this to take away American citizens guns.
    I will give up my guns as soon as any of the liberals can prove that I will never them. My police friends tell me all they do all day long is make reports after the fact. If someone busts into my house the police will be writing their report about a dead burglar not a victim of a crime.

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    • HumbleMan
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 1:03am

      Exactly right. As Andrew Wilkow says: “I carry a gun, because a policeman is too heavy”.

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    • wntsmallgov
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 1:34am

      when seconds count the police are minutes away.

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    • Rocky_Top
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 9:55am

      It is too bad that we can not show all the people that would have been killed raped robbed or the freedoms that we have because the bad guys fear that the goog guys have guns.

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    • psychokittis
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 12:29pm

      @rockytop-
      The FBI has records that show at least 1 million violent crimes are stopped every year by law-abidinng people packing heat. There is some speculation that the actual number of crimes stopped is more than twice that but the FBI only has info about those that are reported.

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    • Rocky_Top
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 2:57pm

      @psychokittis
      The numbers show the crime that was stopped. Now show all the crime that never happened because the bad people know that farmer joe or cute Katie have a gun.

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  • The Scarecrow
    Posted on February 19, 2012 at 12:41am

    Very sad.

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    • svan71
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 1:20am

      yes accidents always cause one to question ones rights……knucklehead.

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  • empirical
    Posted on February 19, 2012 at 12:18am

    Really tragic. I suspect this family now has second thoughts about the Second Amendment.

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    • VicksVaporub
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 12:44am

      It‘s a wonder all these bad things happen to Christians since they’re supposed to be God’s little favorites for having the one “true” religion and all. Just sayin.

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    • svan71
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 1:29am

      @VicksVaporub theres nothing worse than seeing older folks like yourself without a shred of wisdom or commonsense. You know absolutely nothing about what happened, the people involved and what will happen as a result of this yet you use your limited knowledge to make a totally asinine statement about Gods sovereignty and religion.

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    • bikerr
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 1:30am

      @VicksVaporub–you are clueless,ask God.He will fill you in on his ways.

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    • wntsmallgov
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 1:32am

      Never give up the 2nd Amendment!
      Ben Franklin Quote
      Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what is for dinner. Liberty is a well armed sheep contesting the vote.
      Well armed could me two things. A person armed with knowledge or a person just well armed. I would think it was the latter because the wolves represent government.

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    • SacredHonor1776
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 3:52am

      BTW, Franklin probably didn’t say that quote…

      http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Franklin

      It‘s from the 1990’s or so…

      Still, the 2nd Ammendment must be protected…

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    • Rocky_Top
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 10:06am

      @VicksVaporub
      I see more non christians killing themselve and others quicker and in more ways than the christians. …………Just say’n

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    • VicksVaporub
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 1:13pm

      You wise and all knowing ones should Google how many times a church or preacher gets struck by lightning and then Google how often it happens to any other religious building or clergyman.

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  • txjb
    Posted on February 19, 2012 at 12:15am

    Dumb aces !

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  • SERUM
    Posted on February 19, 2012 at 12:08am

    I pray this family will eventually find peace…

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  • whatthecrazy
    Posted on February 18, 2012 at 11:55pm

    This story is tragic and very odd.I mean do church closets do alot of gun buisness these days?

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    • wntsmallgov
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 1:36am

      I don’t know but There is a Pastor who teaches that NRA safety course. I wonder if he carries during service?

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  • vnachi77
    Posted on February 18, 2012 at 11:49pm

    I have bought and sold many guns and never once have I handed over or been given a loaded weapon during the transaction. Besides the tragic death of a young woman, the most alarming part of this story is that you had both the owner and potential buyer of a firearm who are so oblivious about the proper handling of guns that they skipped the most basic rule. Treat all weapons as if they are loaded. If you’re too stupid to follow the first rule of responsible gun ownership, as it appears these two were, then you need to be held criminally liable for the results of that stupidity. May this poor girl rest in peace.

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  • COFemale
    Posted on February 18, 2012 at 11:43pm

    God rest her soul. My prayers will go out for the friends and families.

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    • PeachyinGA
      Posted on February 18, 2012 at 11:55pm

      Yes. God rest her soul, and I pray family and friends find peace. Such a sad story.

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  • One Man Progressive Wrecking Crew
    Posted on February 18, 2012 at 11:39pm

    “Investigators have said Moises Zambrana was showing his gun in a small closet to another church member interested in buying a firearm. The St. Petersburg Times reports that the other church member, Dustin Bueller, was Hannah Kelley’s fiancee.”

    Not a good idea to turn Church into the local gun show every Sunday and with this being armed in churches being bandied about, the left will certainly use this unfortunate accident as the center propaganda piece. That’s all humans are to the left, props to be used and abused.

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    • ModerationIsBest
      Posted on February 18, 2012 at 11:48pm

      Yet you’re the one in such a rush to turn this into a political agenda.

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    • wntsmallgov
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 1:38am

      One day those churches will be defended by a gun if the mslm brotherhood decides to start their crap here.

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  • RepubliCorp
    Posted on February 18, 2012 at 11:30pm

    Yes a sad story but if this guy ran over her in the parking lot with his car it wouldn’t be national news. This is only news because it was a gun accident.

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    • wntsmallgov
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 1:39am

      then he would be considered Mslm, it would be an honor killing and nothing would be said.

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  • KAdams
    Posted on February 18, 2012 at 11:24pm

    Tragic indeed. The other news sourced cited the fiancee as the potential buyer? It begs the question why he would be searching for a fireman, and all clandestine-like in the closet of a church.

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  • ModerationIsBest
    Posted on February 18, 2012 at 11:16pm

    Such a sad story. I feel for the family.

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  • Stoic one
    Posted on February 18, 2012 at 11:15pm

    …ah tragic

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