Pastor’s Daughter Accidentally Shot in the Head Inside FL Church
- Posted on February 13, 2012 at 5:28pm by
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ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. (The Blaze/AP) — Authorities say the daughter of a pastor was accidentally shot in the head at a church in St. Petersburg.
The Pinellas County Sheriff’s Office was called to the Grace Connection Church Sunday at about 12:24 p.m. Sunday.
Hannah Kelley, 20, was shot in the head on Sunday (Image Credit: Facebook)
The gun went off and fired through a wall, striking 20-year-old Hannah Kelley. She was transported to Bayfront Medical Center to undergo surgery and remained in critical condition late Sunday. The New York Daily News has more:
The shooting occurred after morning services, and about 40 people were at the church, according to local reports.
Kelley was rushed to Bayfront Medical Center, where she underwent emergency surgery on Sunday. She was reported to be in critical condition.
Investigators said Zambrana is a licensed security officer and has a carry permit for the weapon, the Tampa Bay Times reported.
He occasionally worked the soundboard at the church and provided security for church events, friends told the Times.
No charges have been filed.
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Comments (206)
Sonicfd3
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 6:44pmIdiot,jackasses like this give the resposible owners a bad name. His permit should be pulled and he should be banned from owning firearms.
Report Post »oldguy49
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 6:52pmdidn’t know there was one in the chamber……..who loads his guns for him………
Report Post »VerySeniorCitizen
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 6:59pmFor those who support the 2nd Amendment – without reservations. Anybody can own a gun and carry it anywhere (including into churches).
This is TOTALLY unacceptable AND avoidable!
Report Post »chfields62
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 7:00pmAgreed..this guy is a complete moron….
Report Post »DTOM_Jericho (Creator vindicator)
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 7:01pmStupid leftist. There should be no permits at all. No “control” laws at all. It is a right NOT a privilege. Therefore it cannot be taken away or legislated. The only time you should have ACCESS to a weapon restricted is while in prison. When you get out, your debt is clean. If your crime was that bad, you should not be out. Freakin’ brain-washed sheep.
Report Post »Rocky_Top
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 7:06pmIf someone asks me if i carry, I say yes. If they ask to see my gun, I tell them to come by my house and I will show it to them. Never pull your gun out in public unless your are going to use it!!! A cop showed me his gun in a parking lot back 5 years ago. I did not ask to see it. He wanted to show me his new sites. He ended up shooting his truck. Never loose respect for any powerful tool.
Report Post »Marine25
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 7:12pmAll gun owners ar responsible until they are irresponsible, aren’t they?
Report Post »oldguy49
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 7:25pmhey rocky……….when they ask if i carry i say yes allso……………when they ask when they can see it , i tell them as soon as they piss me off………..ends discushion
Report Post »MIKAELA3154
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 7:29pmDon’t be so QUICK 2 JUDGE!!! I’ve known Moises Zambrana &Fam. For almost eighteen YRS.!! This man is an EXCELLENT MAN, HUSBAND! DAD & FAMILY MAN & FRIEND!!! But above all he’s a GOD FEARING MAN! Both families know each other,& have BIBLE STUDIES TOGETHER AT MOISES! It was A TRAGIC ACCIDENT! This man is DEVASTATED! Had to be taken to the E.R. for his GRAVELY STATE OF MIND OK! Moises LOVES THIS FAMILY!!!! My grandson’s aunt is married to Moises. PLEASE PRAY FOR BOTH FAMILIES INVOLVE,this is truly a very pivotal time for all to pray!!!!! I WAS SHAKEN TO MY CORE WHEN MY GRANDSON’S MOM CALLED ME & TOLD ME ABOUT WHAT HAD JUST HAPPENED! This ENTIRE FAMILIES R IN GREAT NEED OF SINCERE PRAYERS! PLEASE KNOW THAT THIS CAN HAPPENED TO EVEN THE BEST OF PEOPLE!!!!
Report Post »Favored93
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 7:37pm@DTOM_Jericho (Creator vindicator)
Report Post »Your post is right on the money! I could not say that better myself!
The-Monk
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 7:41pmThat’s a nice neighborhood and just a few blocks away from my Atlas Orthogonal Chiropractor. I could understand carrying a gun to Church if it was down near 22 Ave South.
Report Post »Favored93
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 7:45pm@MIKAELA3154
Report Post »He and the pastors family do have my prayers and those of my church.
I also pray that this accident will make your community safer.
Not much left for me to say that I have not already said on this site.
You are all in my prayers. I can’t pretend to know what you all are going through.
Adorno
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 7:47pmMaybe so, but if people didn’t insist on carrying guns everywhere the incidence of this kind of accident would be negligible. I completely agree that guns don’t kill people, etc., but you can‘t dispute that people without guns can’t shoot people, accidentally or otherwise.
Report Post »iono12345
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 7:51pmExactly
Report Post »iono12345
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 7:59pmLet me see, what do you do if someone hands you a gun, hmmmm, drop the magazine and clear the weapon first, even if the guy handing it to you has cleared it or told you it is cleared, common sense. Ok you have the right to bear arms, but there really should be some mandatory training as many of these accidents are avoidable. I find it ironic though that some say America is or has this gun culture mentality, if this were the case things like this wouldn’t take place, there are a select few of Americans that actually know how to handle a weapon, the rest just want to have and handle a weapon with zero experience, not a good combo in my opinion.
Report Post »Atomic
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 8:03pm@DTOM, right on. I couldn’t have said it better myself.
This is a sad story… All involved are in my prayers.
Report Post »abbygirl1994
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 8:07pmBe careful what you say.. our 2nd Ammendments rights are hanging by a thread! Accidents happen all the time, that doesn’t mean he should lose his gun rights. I can imagine he is beating the hell out of himself all by himself. God help us all!
Report Post »FreedomPurveyor
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 8:56pmMoral of the story: ALWAYS clear the chamber when you pick up a gun, even if you KNOW it is clear, even if you cleared it the last time you picked it up.
All you have to do is follow a few simple rules and nobody gets shot in the head, and the left doesn’t get more ammunition for pushing gun control.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 9:26pmEvery firearm has a round in the chamber until you check it, then you still treat it as if has one there.
It is tragic that this girl lost her life to someone elses stupidity and carless act. That being said, you know the anti gun crowd like to use this against us. Never mind how many kids drowned in their own bath tub or swimmin pool, or how many accidental deaths from falling off a ladder, or accidental deaths from a vehicle./ Libs are not looking to outlaw your bathtub, car, or ladder, they want your gun, and they want it for a number of reasons.
the gun is what seperates the citizen from the surf. It takes practice and discipline to properly use a rifle or pistol. Lazy people do not have this skill, and they hate to know you have it. Libs/dems/progressives know that they will never be able to take your Bible or your children, until they first take your gun, and believe me, they want your Bible and you children.
Continue to teach people around you propper gun safety. Treat all as if they are loaded, Do not touch the trigger until you are ready to fire it, Keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction and do not point at things you are not willing to destroy, Keep the weapon on safe until you are pointed at the target and ready to fire. know your target and what is beyond it. If you can not quote those five rules cold, then keep your hands off the fire arms. Do not be afraid to ask knowledgable people how to handle a certain firearm
Report Post »We are Americans
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 9:27pmLord, I ask you to help this young lady heal
Report Post »from her injuries. I pray for this man who
accidentally shot this girl. Please give him some
comfort. For the family and church, please give
them all peace of mind. Only say the words
and she will be healed. Amen
chingachgook
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 10:16pmThis is the most dangerous part of handling a gun whey you are unloading it and loading it,
Report Post »especially semi-autos. people take the magazine out and do not double check the chamber. This must be done, actually look into the breach to verify it is empty. Some folk carry a semi-auto with an empty chamber for this reason. I hate to hear of these accidents. Any time you pull the trigger know where the bullet can go. If it goes off and you have thought about where it might end up before you pull the trigger on the empty gun and it does go off you are just embarrassed. Walls do not stop bullets. There was a fairly famous incident in the Border Patrol where a true gun expert (nationally renowned shooter) was dry firing his service gun, reloaded it put it in his desk and forgot it was loaded when he dry fired at the wall and killed another agent in the next room. This happened many years ago but shows what can happen. The first thing you have to think of with a gun is Safety!!!!! Our prayers are with her.
Viet Vet
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 10:32pm@VerySeniorCitizen
You certainly are proving out your name.
Report Post »GodsPlan
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 10:33pmMikaela, thank you and bless you for setting us on the truth. We all jump to. Inclusions and criticize mistakes others make on the Internet. Prayers and hopes for healing for both families.
Report Post »KAdams
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 11:19pmPrayers for the family and all involved.
@Ranger: She hasn’t died, she’s in critical condition.
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 11:26pmI bet someone killed a person with a car today……..lets ban cars
Report Post »It is only a story because it was dummy with a gun.
FreedomPurveyor
Posted on February 14, 2012 at 12:50am“I bet someone killed a person with a car today……..lets ban cars
It is only a story because it was dummy with a gun.”
A fair point. Most liberals probably wouldn’t believe you if you told them that cars kill 3x as many people as guns in the US every year. Combine that with all the other things that kill people every year, and guns are the least of your worries.
Report Post »GeorgieJo
Posted on February 14, 2012 at 1:03amThis is horrible.
Report Post »My prayers for Hannah.
Captain Crunch
Posted on February 14, 2012 at 3:26am@DTOM_Jericho (Creator vindicator)
You are exactly right. That is how it used to be.
Report Post »Having a weapon was considered a survival necessity. It didn’t matter if you just walked out of a penetantary, you could buy a firearm like it was nobodys business…which it really is NOBODYS business. I have no problem with exfelons having guns. Everyone should carry a gun. Crime would drop to almost nothing. I believe there are a lot of people who think the same way. They are just afraid to say so. I appreciate the fact that you are able to speak your mind.
Sheepdog911
Posted on February 14, 2012 at 5:50amWhat a moron. The first assumption of any autoloader … unless the slide is locked back and you have checked to confirm otherwise … there is always a round in the chamber.
Report Post »grudgywoof
Posted on February 14, 2012 at 6:16amWhy in heavens name would you carry a gun into church unless there was a threat? Why would you chamber a round? Neglect is not even a good word for it…..you stupid idiot! At the very least there should be some jail time and he should be responsible for her bills. Never allowed to own a gun again and if she dies I would say 10 years minimum in a penitentiary.
Report Post »@leftfighter
Posted on February 14, 2012 at 7:14amThis is a great example of why you need to don and clear your gun every time you unload it.
That said, Florida has no permitting system, aside from the Federal waiting period, and grabbing his gun is the wrong approach.
He’ll likely be charged and have some time to do. Very sad story.
Report Post »TomFerrari
Posted on February 14, 2012 at 8:31am@verysenior…
Accidents do happen.
If every car accident are on the news, we would have a 24/7 car accident channel and hundreds of pages of stories daily about car accidents.
Of course we could avoid those accidents if we simply took away their cars.
Do you realize people are driving everywhere? They even drive to Church!
They drive lethal weapons to a house of worship!!
People have an irrational fear of guns, simply because they are guns.
Report Post »Those same people think NOTHING of driving a 4,000 pound vehicle through a crowded parking lot full of pedestrians.
rangerp
Posted on February 14, 2012 at 9:04amaccidental gun deaths are less than 1/10 of one percent of deaths in America per year. Not a stat that Rosie o fat butt and crowd want you to know. Check the stats of black American under that age of 25 that are shot on purpose, and you will figure out why the lib crowd does not like to talk real deal stats on violence. They do not want people knowing that it is the folks on the receiving end of the welfare programs and other gov handout that are doing most of the killing
Report Post »ScreaminEagle
Posted on February 14, 2012 at 10:28amThis is just the type of stupidity that fuels the anti-gun commies. A gun shot victim in a church, what a perfect storm.
Report Post »Ruler4You
Posted on February 14, 2012 at 11:39amOh, yeah. Church of Our Lady of the Loaded Carbine. Great! services! But really loud!
Report Post »cantstandlibs
Posted on February 14, 2012 at 12:00pmLet’s not over-react like good little libs. Yes this tragedy might end up in a wrongful death suit. Perhaps a criminal charge of negligence is warranted. The man should probably have his permit suspended at least until a re-training period. But to never be able to own a gun… What are you, a Marxist?
Report Post »AARON BURR
Posted on February 14, 2012 at 1:21pmHe should be charged with at the least reckless endangerment. Having handled firearms a great deal, and knowing several others that do, there will be an occasional accidental discharge. That is why muzzle discipline is so important. Never point a gun at something you are not willing to shoot. Obviously, this guy didn’t get the memo.
Report Post »gotty
Posted on February 14, 2012 at 1:49pmtrust the media, they will not be misinformed or report anything with any kind of slant. it is always 100% true and accurate…don’t jump too quickly to judge this guy.
Report Post »christopherestep
Posted on February 14, 2012 at 1:50pmI agree. He has no business having a permit and I personally think he SHOULD be charged with something, reckless endangerment possibly. I‘m sure there’s some statute about unlawful discharge of a firearm.
It‘s ridiculous that he didn’t know a bullet was in the chamber. ANYONE taught to use semi-automatic pistols learns that unloading the weapon involved removing the magazine AND clearing the chamber.
What’s more disturbing is his choice of ammo. If he’s keeping the gun AT THE CHURCH then they really should be loaded with safety rounds to minimize the likelihood of the bullet going through the wall, as happened here. The girl‘s just lucky it wasn’t a .45.
Report Post »jwt
Posted on February 14, 2012 at 2:15pmwhat is the need for a weapon in church? Secure what GOD can not?
Report Post »addie
Posted on February 14, 2012 at 2:38pm@DTOM_Jericho – I could not agree with you more!
And I would like to add, stupid people make stupid mistakes and/or accidents happen! I am so sick of “conservatives” who claim to hate the nanny state turn around and say, “oh we need to pull his permit, all people shouldn’t have guns, blah blah blah…” Here’s a fact people, you CAN NOT LEGISLATE STUPIDITY OUT OF PEOPLE! Got that?
Liberals seem to think they can by telling you what you can eat, drink, drive, etc, when are you conservatives going to realize that when you give up even the smallest of GOD GIVEN RIGHTS (in the name of safety) you give up all rights! Yes, people will do stupid things, why punish everyone for it? There is a RISK to living in a free society, if you don’t want to take that risk, go live in a bubble or better yet, go live in some other country that tells you how you can live your life!
Report Post »Jeremy
Posted on February 14, 2012 at 4:53pmVERYSENIORCITIZEN Your an idiot! This is avoidable you are correct about that the guy who did it should have been careful! If you actually think that its a good idea to put more restrictions on guns and that it will help prevent gun violence or accidents you are being guided by emotion and not the facts because the facts prove the exact opposite.
Report Post »Big Book Harry
Posted on February 14, 2012 at 5:17pmI have a Sig Sauer P226 9mm loaded and chambered in by bedroom. I brought it out to show it to my roommate, took it out of the holster while pointing it away dropped the mag out of the bottom pulled the slider back releasing the live round in the chamber onto the floor and said now it is safe. How simple is that?
Report Post »What a moron, he should be charged with criminal negligence. Permit pulled and possibly be banned from ever owning a firearm again.
Viet Vet
Posted on February 14, 2012 at 7:59pmRight Jeremy, the firearms industry is the most regulated industry in the land.
@FreedomPurveyor….And furthermore, 60% of all gun deaths are suicide.
Report Post »LastChanceToSaveOurRepublic
Posted on February 14, 2012 at 8:46pmThe permit holder was careless that is indisputable. The guy that pulled the trigger was in the care of the permit holder. I see no information that the person who discharged the firearm had any training to know how to clear a gun. If everyone was required to possess a gun instead of trying to take them away this would not have happened. He would have been trained on how to handle and clear a gun.
Report Post »ares338
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 6:42pmThat was totally avoidable. This guy should not have had a carry license. Always safety check your weapon!
Report Post »SERUM
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 6:47pmShe’s in my prayers…and your right simple gun safety…, check chamber, finger off trigger, barrel pointed to ground. Sad…
Report Post »tzion
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 7:16pmAt the very least he should have his license suspended (can own a gun but not carry it in public) and may be charged for reckless endangerment.
Report Post »inferno
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 6:42pmGuns do not accidently kill. Ignorance does ! That’s why semi automatics that are sold in California, must be engineered to prevent accidental shootings when a live round is left in the chamber.
Report Post »NeoFan
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 7:57pmWow! Is that what they told you? Please educate yourself on firearms.
Report Post »chingachgook
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 10:24pmInferno I say this not to insult you but you do not understand firearms. stay away from what you do not understand. There only a few guns I know of with that type safety and most people I know did not like the feature. That is why all semi auto do not have it.
Report Post »Larry_Waters
Posted on February 14, 2012 at 2:07amDon’t be an idiot. As a California gun owner I can tell you they are not engineered to be safer. Oh I see cause they cut a small hole above and behind the breach so any idiot cansee a shinney spot and know it’s loaded or not….. Every gun is loaded, loaded at all times, period. Treat it that way and save lives. If all of society is unarmed, then the bad guys will be the only ones armed besides the police. Since police don’t prevent tragedies rather they follow up and try and arrest the bad guy after the fact, I’ll take my chances and stay prepared.
As for California’s laws, is it right to take a gun and make all safety tests be redone just because the color scheme is changed/updated, or if a component is found to be faulty and a material change is made? Same gun, same mechanisms, still a human involved.
Get real…
Report Post »Samsss
Posted on February 14, 2012 at 4:49pmI have 22 grandchildren and several of them could qualify as “expert”. I taught my sons that “every gun is always loaded” – and admonished them not to forget that. The younger ones have been taught the same and despite using guns here thousands of times there has never been an “accidental” discharge.
Report Post »This is truly a sad story and we have no right to add to the grief of any person or family involved – other than to pray for a good recovery for the young lady and for Mr. Zambrana. They both need our prayers – not our criticism and rude comments.
Big Book Harry
Posted on February 14, 2012 at 6:04pm@neofan Didn’t you hear about the new law, all guns must have a thumb print scanner that unlocks the firing pin for 1min. If you fire the wepon within 1 min it resets the timer. :-)
Report Post »South Philly Boy
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 6:38pmYou ALWAYS Check the chamber for a loaded round even if the gun has a magazine disconnect.
Report Post »NO IFS, ANDS, OR BUTS
RepubliCorp
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 11:40pmI am a revolver guy…….. not a problem
Report Post »Mahdi Al-Dajjal
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 6:32pmAs the Left has told us for decades, people don’t kill people, guns KILL people! Yet, I’ve never hear of a single gun doing 25-to-life for murder. Can somebody explain that one to me?
Report Post »Jessff00
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 6:40pmI have never seen a gun kill anybody the bullet is the problem..explain that one to me Smarta$$…
Report Post »Favored93
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 6:50pm@Jessff00…It’s better then a dumb a$$ and just think when he dies he will be a perfect a$$ … ;)
Report Post »His point is sound calling him an a$$ is as ignorant as your comment!
ModerationIsBest
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 7:15pmInstead of turning this into a political argument, why not just comment that you hope she recovers?
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on February 14, 2012 at 12:28am@MOD
First let me wish her a speedy and complete recovery.
With that said,
Report Post »MOD……instead of posting an attack on another poster, why not just comment that you hope she recovers?
quicker
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 6:31pmKinda makes you wonder where he got his license .
Report Post »VerySeniorCitizen
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 7:01pmAnd WHY he was carring in a church to begin with. Do churches NOT have rules??
Report Post »Rocky_Top
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 7:13pm@VerySeniorCitizen
Report Post »Have you not been reading the paper. Churches are under attack by all kinds of extream groups. It is getting dangerous to go to church. But yes , a few states do not permit guns in churches.
DTOM_Jericho (Creator vindicator)
Posted on February 14, 2012 at 12:01am@quicker
Actually, no it doesn’t. You don‘t need a lincense to own a gun and you don’t need a permit FOR A RIGHT! ALL GUN CONTROL “LAWS” ARE UNCONSTITUTIONAL AND THEREFORE NOT LAWS.
It does however make one angry that he was so careless. Now get YOUR head out of your ***, sheep.
Report Post »Plutos_Pal
Posted on February 14, 2012 at 8:26am@DTOM.
Actually, the Supreme Court has upheld several gun control laws, including laws that require a permit to carry a gun. You can disagree with the SCOTUS, but they have the final word on whether a law is constitutional or not.
If you think all gun control laws are unconstitutional why not break one of them and take your case to the Supreme Court?
Report Post »EchoHawk
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 6:31pmI do so enjoy the little anecdotal stories Blazers like to impart. You guys hang around a lot of stoopid people and I don’t find that at all hard to believe.
Report Post »GodsPlan
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 6:40pmLook, I found a stooooopid person.
Report Post »IvanK
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 6:44pmPoor little liberal putz can’t even spell “stupid” correctly. Good job Captain Spell Check!
Report Post »SnowKalBebes
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 7:44pmHey IvanK do you even the comments on this site written by people you agree with? do you notice the awful grammar? Just check OldGuys post if you don‘t know what I’m talking about…are they a “putz” as well or do they get a pass because you agree with them?
Report Post »Sicboy
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 6:16pmThere’s ALWAYS a round in the chamber. Pull the slide back and look.
Report Post »supermurder
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 6:21pmPeriod.
Report Post »ChiefGeorge
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 6:33pmYou should always assume there is a round in the chamber and you should never pull the trigger until you have verified and even then the weapon should be pointed into a safe area like a sand filled container to clear it. I’ve seen well trained watch standers forget this on their Navy issued 45cals during watch turnovers. Bam off goes a round into the overhead.
Report Post »TH30PH1LUS
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 6:39pmCorrect. Zambrana is responsible for the A.D.
Report Post »Favored93
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 6:46pmAgreed!
Report Post »I have never nor would I ever hand my weapon to anyone with the slide forward. I have friends and family that enjoy shooting and NONE of them or I hand over a gun with the mag in and slide forward and as a result NONE of us have ever shot a girl in the head!
No-matter what type of weapon rifle or hand gun ALWAYS hand it over with the breach open and towards the person you are giving it to so that they can easily see the chamber empty. This is NOT commonsense get training before you touch a GUN!!!!!!!!!
What angers me about this story is the guy WAS trained! He just left his brain at the door and now his pastors daughter may die!
IMO this man should have all his guns taken and sold and the money given to the family to pay for her med bills. If she lives 50% of his income should be hers for LIFE and forbidden to EVER touch a gun again. If she dies add a bit of jail time and that 50% should go to her family. I would not call this murder but certainly this is all on his head that was stupid and he knew better.
TexBork
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 6:12pmThe gun didn’t just go off. Someone fired it. I’ve never seen a gun that laid there and just went the hell off on its own intentions. The one that fired the gun is responsible for the injury. If two were present and both handled the gun then there’s a problem for both. It‘s not the gun’s fault. It‘s not the bullet’s fault. If that could be argued, then one could say it‘s the building’s fault for not stopping the gun and/or bullet. The fault lies not with the inanimate objects, the gun, the bullet, the building, but with the handlers of the weapon and theirs alone. People who are uncomfortable with or have no training in handling a firearm should not be handling them in other than in proper situations with licensed instructors. This is no different than handling an automobile except that we have a right to bear arms and no right to bear an auto. Driving is a privilege and not a right. Gun ownership and training should be taught in schools. It’s interesting that in high schools, one can take “driving” as a class that leads to a liscense to operate the most deadliest machine in the world, yet training of firearm use isn’t, even though we are told that too many people die from not properly knowing how to use nor respect a weapon. You would think the schools should focus on the responsibility needed to live under and the exercising of our rights as proclaimed in our Constitution. Personally, I believe the focus on our rights should be ahead of focus on our
Report Post »Itsjusttim
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 6:32pmBelieve me Textbork if they confiscate your guns, and leave the U.S citizens unarmed which is one of the main reasons America hasn’t been invaded, that not too long after they confiscate them, you will have a wide selection to choose from the rifles laying around all over during and after the Russians and Chinese invade.
Report Post »Itsjusttim
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 6:36pmBecause that’s the way tyrannies and ownership governments operate, as America declines the Chinese and Russians will believe in their heart of hearts that there is something hidden from them in the U.S behind door number 1 or door number 2, and they will send their armies a looking.
Report Post »Itsjusttim
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 6:39pmAnd then after they send their armies a looking, the American Communists will be executed by the Red Chinese, because the Chinese will know that if an American cannot be loyal to America, then no way will they be loyal to the Chinese Empire.
Report Post »MittensKittens
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 6:12pmAnother reason for gun control, that dang gun just picked itself up and shot someone…Seriously, what a tragic thing. And all that needed to be avoided was check the chamber, put on safety before handing the gun to another. Senseless.
Report Post »RedneckJim
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 6:22pmActually, if you take an NRA class we’ll teach you to check that the chamber is clear, and have the person you are handing the gun to verify that it is clear before that take it from you.
Report Post »Charles
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 6:46pmCheck that the chamber is clear and then if dry firing after checking it still must be pointed in a safe direction. From inside a closet? Stupid move on more than one count and a tragic result.
Report Post »Rocky_Top
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 7:24pm@Charles
Report Post »No safe direction is posible in a church closet. Leave it in its holster.
TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 6:11pmSt. Pete has a lot of problems with guns and death the last few years along with St. Pete being voted as one of the most depressing places in the U.S.A… or maybe it was number one, can’t remember.
3 police officers were killed in just one month this past year, and a couple more during the year in and around the Tampa area/St. Pete area.
A Security Guard was killed by a paranoid authority hating kid in an apartment complex months back, and now a Security Gaurd lets loose a round by mistake probably trying to impress someone. And this isn’t just a depressing St. Pete thing… it’s nation-wide. WTF?
We need to protect ourselves against the criminals of society who will do us harm, but we also need to be vigilant to the dumb@sses out there who like to impress people with their guns, paranoia and stupidity.
Guns don’t kill people, people kill people… and there are a lot of dim-wits out there who don’t have the intention to rob or kill you you.. but can… and wil… l rob you of your life and liberty just the same with their stupidity.
Report Post »GodsPlan
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 6:21pmI thought the same as I was putting furring strips up in my house with masonry nails and a 22 cartridge charged hammer. I better get it registered in case a nail goes all the way through the cinder block. Sarcasm. Accidents happen. I pray the young lady has a complete and speedy recovery!
Report Post »TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 6:31pmGODSPLAN. If you’re reducing a young girl who was shot in the head to nothing more than “accidents happen”… you should stay away from anything beyond a hammer and nails.
You should be getting on your knees and praying thanks that it wasn‘t a loved one of your’s GODSPLAN.
Report Post »LeadNotFollow
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 6:06pm…
This kind of stupid, irresponsible, reckless mistake, is what‘s going to get all citizen’s guns taken away from them, by the Government.
For every careless gun owner, there are hundreds of thousands of extremely careful gun owners, but the Government will never admit to those statistics.
Prayers go out to the young lady. Hope she survives. May God be with her.
Report Post »drago
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 6:06pmAll guns are loaded all the time period.Living by this saying, prevents one from dieing.Guns dont kill people, idiots that own guns do, so sad, and one simple step would havent prevented this.
Report Post »BLACKDIAMONDSKIER
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 6:01pmMy heart goes out to her family. Her church family and friends as well. I also feel for the man that accidentally shot her. It was an ACCIDENT. There was no malice. Accidents do happen in all aspects of life whether it was stupidity or not. A life was lost…and that is terrible, but put yourself in the shoes of the person who killed another by accident and treat them like you would want to be treated if the exact same senario happened to you. Hurts thinking about the family and their loss. Hurts thinking about the man that shot her as well.
Report Post »Favored93
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 7:21pmYes it was an accident. Yes I do feel badly for what that man must be going through. That does not however absolve him of the legal and just consequences of his irresponsible and dangerous actions. Is there forgiveness for him? Absolutely! That is what Jesus came for. But if this were me we would not be talking about it.
Report Post »My CCW instructor did something with us that shook me to the core and scared the HELL out of me and opened our eyes a bit. He ejected the mag from my weapon and handed me the gun and asked me if it was safe. I said “yes”. He said “pull the trigger”. I did and BANG!!!!! He knew it would fire I did not. I felt as if I were the dumbest person on earth. I knew that had he not done that my son’s may have been were this girl is now. I have NEVER handed a weapon to ANYONE with the mag in and slide FORWARD as a result of that day’s training!!!! btw I did not shoot a gun before getting trained!
My guns scare the hell out of me. This man should have been as afraid of his and this would have been a different story.
I do feel bad for all of these people including him just as I do anyone that has ever killed anyone in a car accident. If I am sober and driving 90mph and hit a young girl or boy on “accident” am I free from having to pay for it? “I did not see him/her” does that change the law? I was driving recklessly and deserve what I would get as does he.
alivelyundertaker
Posted on February 14, 2012 at 1:03am@ FAVORED93 I don’t respond to many posts on here, I read them often during the day but keep quiet and just get pissed most of the time. Most on here just seem to want to bark like a neighborhood dog (like encinom and others). I put emphasis on dog. You are spot on here. I am a new “legal” gun owner (according to the Constitution we all should be legal) and my gun scares the hell out of ME!!! I have never had a problem with other people owning guns – I didn’t want to. With the advent of the last election – that all changed. I felt that if I didn’t start to “exercise my right”…maybe soon there wouldn’t be one anymore. In Indiana, we don’t have to take a class to get a CCWP like the state I am originally from – Michigan. However, I didn’t just go out…buy a piece…and start sporting it. I researched guns, where to maybe take classes and had long conversations with friends and family that carry. I have a funeral director friend that is a part time cop and he gladly taught me how to safely handle a weapon but yet not treat it like a cupcake. I bought a “California friendly” weapon …a Ruger that has more safety devices than most would want. However, since this is my first, I am willing to put up with inconvenience until I am more confident with weapons. I have an 18 month old and a 9 year old at home, I WANT safety. I put the gun on in the morning and it doesn’t come off until bedtime unless I have to be somewhere I can not le
Report Post »alivelyundertaker
Posted on February 14, 2012 at 1:24amI put the gun on in the morning and it doesn’t come off until bedtime unless I have to be somewhere I can not legal carry ( oh ya, and the Constitution says “it shall not be infringed upon”…I can’t legally go across into Illinois with it at all ) and after it is off my person… I pray I don’t need it quickly because it will take about 4 to 7 seconds to take it out of the lockbox screwed on the side of our bed. Point of all this…..I didn’t and don’t take the responsibility and the RIGHT to own and carry a weapon lightly. I treat my new “leeetle friend” with the utmost of respect and am always conscious of the fact that I have something on my person that if improperly handled, can land someone on a very cold table. There is no room for stupidity. Accidents do happen everyday; idiots in cars, idiots with tools, idiots with guns, idiots like encinom. The problem with this is that our RIGHT is liberally and progressively challenged everyday. No one will ever propose legislation to take cars from us because of stupidity….but they lay in wait for this to happen to make an example that no one should own guns. May G-d be with this family, the man that mishandled the weapon, and with all of us that don’t want our rights to end up in the sewer with encinom.
Report Post »Windwalker
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 6:01pm…..Ahem. Since when are guns packed to church or stored in churches or for that matter possible gun sales conducted in a church? This kind of crap hits the news waves and U.S. churches will be invaded by the ATF, Home Land Security, the FBI and God knows what else.
Report Post »GodsPlan
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 6:15pmI thought the same! A church! Come-on, I’m even thinking this is a contrived setup to make churches look as bad as mosques.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 6:16pmWelcome to the bible belt, were god fearing “christians” need a side arm to feel safe. Cowards clinging to their bible and guns.
GodsPlan
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 6:29pmEncinom, I feel safe and fear nothing, not even death. But my bible and gun are used only to save your life, and I’m not afraid to protect the innocent if it hurts me. Have children you love and then call me a coward for being armed and convicted for their safety!
Report Post »SurhanSurhan
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 6:32pm@ GODSPLAN- Even without the guns, Churches are worse than Mosques. God has begotten a son…Whatever!
Favored93
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 7:35pm@encinom <—– Ignorant liberal troll.
Report Post »God started this country and gave us the RIGHT to keep our guns to defend it and ourselves. He is the source of those rights not Govt.
Go post your ignorance on a gov. paid for site were it belongs.
It is a sad thing but you ignorant libs are constantly using tragedy to push your commie socialist junk and America is waking up to it.
Rocky_Top
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 7:49pmWe have a church in our town that has gaurds and snippers in the loft to protect the pastor. He has had more than one attempt on his life.( aired nationally) It is getting more and more dangerous to preach out of the King James bible.
Report Post »Bamarebel
Posted on February 14, 2012 at 4:16pmI don’t know where you live, but down here, everyone carries. All 3 of my daughters do. I work in a hospital and break the rules daily by bringing my cute little pink handgun in with me.
Report Post »PATTY HENRY
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 5:51pmWHAT HAPPENED to the “EVERY GUN IS ALWAYS LOADED” saying?
EVERY GUN IS ALWAYS LOADED. SPREAD THE WORD. WE ARE not giving up our guns…we just need to make sure that people know that…
Report Post »EVERY GUN IS ALWAYS LOADED.
AxelPhantom
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 7:30pmIn some respects the “saftey” on the gun is really a false sense of security, and leads to careless mistakes.
God bless her and prayers for a full recovery.
Report Post »Mr Sanders
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 5:49pmI agree – anyone not sure about how to handle, shoot, clean, carry a handgun/riffle should check with local gun clubs, police to inquire about classes on gun safety. For the sake of your loved ones and the people around you.
Also, ask before someone wants to hold your firearm what they’re experience is, and please, check and clear your breach/chamber.
Report Post »GodsPlan
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 5:49pmA chambered bullet? This guy needs SERIOUS gun safety training or a very long jail sentence for the inability to use his brain. Other peoples’s lives are at stake around him!!!
Report Post »greg4fitness
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 5:47pmI had someone showing off their handgun to me once and did the same exact thing but I quickly put one hand on the gun, pointing it down, then pointed out how stupid the person was and asked him to please eject the chambered round. I’ll NEVER let this person forget this mistake. I point it out frequently and tell him to slow down and think.
Report Post »gypsyman
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 5:47pmPretty sad. Why is it more times than not, a so called trained professional makes a mistake. It was a mistake, but it could have been avoided. No doubt he fells bad about what happened. I will prey for her, and hope God will see to her well being, and hopeful full recovery.
Report Post »bikerr
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 5:45pmWhat a sorry thing to hear. I hope/pray that the Daughter gets better daily.
Report Post »@hidden_lion and
@JRook
I’m sure the two of you also would want that. Of course you have other thing to comment on that are more important to you first.
flyoverbob
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 6:04pmYes I hope the woman recovers.
Report Post »With that being said,the guy is a security officer,how can he not pull the slide back to make sure the chamber is empty.
There’s an old saying about a lot of people being killed with an unloaded gun. I use to play cards with a guy who was cleaning a pistol and his friend said don’t point that gun at me.The guy said its not loaded,put it to his head and pulled the trigger.He left two small children,he was only 35 yo.
I suppose it comes from being in the Army when I was young,I tell my grandson all the time always assume the gun is loaded,never point it toward anyone.
If he was a licensed security officer he should lose his license.
hidden_lion
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 6:55pmOf course everyone hopes the girl recovers, I don’t need to announce my prayers to you. I am simply aghast at the incompetence and lack of adherence to safety protocol that resulted in this accident.
Report Post »bikerr
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 7:03pm@hidden_lion–You do know that prayers don’t go to people right?. I am just saying your priorities seem a bit askew from the comment you left. Almost to late to assume you care!
Report Post »COFemale
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 5:41pmI think this guy needs to go back to remedial gun handling class.
I pray that she comes through this without too much damage. God be with her.
Report Post »Exrepublisheep
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 5:40pm“The gun went off and fired through a wall”. Stupid gun.
Report Post »hidden_lion
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 5:36pmbasic gun safety, what a waste and a shame.
Report Post »pavepaws
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 5:45pmPoorly trained on the gun in question.
Report Post »JRook
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 5:34pmSeriously, there needs to be some type of intelligence test along with gun registration. How do you not check and empty the chamber if your handling a gun when not on a range or hunting.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 7:15pmAhhhh, intelligence requirements for gun ownership.
Rook, I’ll give you that, if you give me the same for all voters.
Report Post »Pontiac
Posted on February 14, 2012 at 1:59amHow about a test for editors and writers?
Report Post »“took out the magazine of the Reuger 9mm weapon but”
Reuger? Never heard of that one before…