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Pat Robertson Blames Sikh Rampage on ‘Angry’ Atheists Who ‘Hate God’

The Christian Broadcast Network’s Pat Robertson is known, among other things, for sparking controversy. On Monday, his statements about the Sikh temple shooting, like others he has made in the past, caught the attention of critics who found them offensive and off-base. Of particular note, was blame for the tragedy that he seemed to place on the backs of atheists and non-believers.

(Related: Pat Robertson: Dems Support for Gay Marriage May Be a Political ‘Death Wish’)

“What is it? Is it Satanic — some spiritual thing?,” Robertson asked. “People who are atheists, they hate God, they hate the expression of God, and they are angry at the world, angry with themselves, angry with society and they take it out on innocent people who are worshipping God.”

Pat Robertson Blames Atheist for Sikh Temple Shooting

It was these, brief comments, that were highlighted on Right Wing Watch and The Huffington Post, among other blogs and outlets. Robertson went on to defend victims of any tragedy perpetuated by those who purportedly “hate the expression of God.”

“And, whether it’s a Sikh temple or a Baptist Church or a Catholic Church or a Muslim mosque, whatever it is, I just abhor violence,” he added, urging people to ”talk about the love of God and hope that it has some impact.”

Watch the religious broadcaster’s controversial comments, below:

Currently, authorities have released no information about Wade Michael Page’s faith leanings, thus we are currently unsure as to whether belief or non-belief played any role at all in the shooting.

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  • Verceofreason
    Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:10pm

    “Evolution zealots” OMG
    like those GRAVITY zealots?

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    • Sara123
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:44pm

      Atheists have a long history of burning down churches and murdering millions of people who dare beleive in God. How in the world could Pat imagine that the idiots running around the nation harassing Christians might burn down a place of worship? How politically incorrect to even imagine atheists might do something like this!

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    • AndYetItMoves
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:53pm

      ‘Atheists have a long history of burning down churches and murdering millions of people who dare beleive in God.’

      Yeah, like those atheists that flew planes into the WTC. Or those godless men that colonized Israel and started an interminable war. Or the atheists that bomb abortion clinics. Or the atheists that picket the funerals of soldiers. Or those atheists that want to put gay people behind an electric fence. Or those atheists that perpetrated the crusades, the inquisition, the witch hunts, the thirty years war, the genocide of native americans. The atheists that warned Sub-Saharan Africans that condom use is slightly worse than the AIDS virus. Your point is well taken.

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    • SquidVetOhio
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:55pm

      No, gravity is measurable and has this little thing called scientific evidence. (Also, discovered by a Creationists)

      Macro – evolution is a fairy tale invented by god-haters to ease their conscience of having to answer for choices made in their life.

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    • SquidVetOhio
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:57pm

      She never said religious people were innocent. But, lest you forget, Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao Tse Tung, Ho Chi Minh…… athiests.

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    • jzs
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 1:06pm

      Actually I think it was a case of an angry white guy who hated immigrants, probably Muslims in particular. You know the type.

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    • Tychicus
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 1:21pm

      Sorry to inform you, but yes, those who really loved Darwin’s 2 books “Descent of Man” and “On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life”, the Communists, Socialists, Anarchists, etc.
      These political ideologies are responsible for the greatest number of deaths in the history of the human race, NOT religion. By pursuing their utopian ends, they murdered millions in the failed attempt to create the perfect human society. The Nazi death camps were simply the logical and scientific means to cleanse their genes of subhuman races, i.e. Eugenics.
      Read it and be informed: http://www.amazon.com/The-Black-Book-Communism-Repression/dp/0674076087
      Courage and Godspeed.

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    • No_Lables
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 2:25pm

      First off, Hitler was a Catholic. Secondly, to group a bunch of people together based off what they don’t have in common is lunacy. The only logical argument one could make is that they weren’t women, and since men are more violent and hateful, that’s the reason they all did it.

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    • brother_ed
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 2:30pm

      @JZS

      I agree.

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    • SacredHonor1776
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 3:39pm

      Hitler may have been a Catholic… But probably not one when he became Der Fuhrer…

      Night of 11th-12th July, 1941

      “National Socialism and religion cannot exist together….
      “The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity’s illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity….
      “Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things.” (p 6 & 7)

      10th October, 1941, midday

      “Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure.” (p 43)

      14th October, 1941, midday

      “The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death…. When understanding of the universe has become widespread… Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity….
      “Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity…. And that’s why someday its structure will collapse….
      “…the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little….
      “Christianity the liar….
      “We’ll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State.” (p 49-52)

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    • Docrow
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 5:24pm

      Dietrich Bonhoeffer

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  • DarthMims
    Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:10pm

    Well, at least he didn’t blame this one on the Jews.

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    • stealthman
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 4:05pm

      I never heard Rev. Pat Robertson blame some horrible crime on Jews or Judaism. Please enlighten me when he did that.

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  • Verceofreason
    Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:03pm

    Pat is certifiably insane.
    He is still being broadcast for what reason? Spite?

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  • Eddie
    Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:58am

    Does anybody really ever pay attention to this dingbat anyway? He and Jimmy Carter need to be rocking on the porch of a nursing home somewhere trading stories about the B.S. they have spouted all these years any time they thought they needed to comment on current affairs.

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    • Crazy Uncle
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 1:07pm

      It seems that Right Wing Watch is still paying attention to him. Perhaps they are as insane as he is. Birds of a feather flock together, I guess.

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  • 1snake1
    Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:53am

    I no more ‘hate’ God than I hate unicorns or dragons. You can‘t hate what doesn’t exist.

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    • txdave22
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:02pm

      How does crazy robertson know page was atheist? Maybe he’s just making noise for the gun lobby.

      What has robertson done for the wealth and safety of America? I’ll tell you what Obama has done:

      Differences: since Obama came to power, DJIA HAS GONE UP ABOUT 63%, HISTORIC INCREASE IN WEALTH for the American people who own stocks, funds, 401k, annuities, 8000 when gw bush thankfully ended his REIGN OF ERROR, and now DJIA about 13000. Conversely, bush cost America and its corporations as DJIA FELL FROM 11000 when Clinton left to 8000 when we got rid of cheney/bush and terrible pub policies.

      Also, another difference: osama bin laden, creator of 9.11 was ENEMY # 1 OF THE US. So, gw bush couldn’t get him in about 7+ years and Obama got him in less than 3.

      On those 2 things alone, GREAT PRESIDENT. He has brought soldiers home from Irag, whereas bush’s mishandling of iraq, start until his departure COST OVER 5000 SOLDIER’S LIVES AND ABOUT 30000 WOUNDED, many badly, amuptations, brain injuries.

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    • SquidVetOhio
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:58pm

      You can’t deny something that does exist. Wow, this circular reasoning thing is fun!

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  • NewtonsAmbit
    Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:25am

    A religion that promotes enslaving people is not pleasing to God. God’s entire plan is the freedom of man. Choice and agency are God’s plan above all else. Religions like Atheism, Darwinism, Islam, Budism, and Christianity become Satanic when they force or try to force people to believe a certain way. Murder is the most extreme act of force. Of course, if we are taking tally, the Religion of Atheism and Darwinism forced more people into slavery than any other religion. Atheism is the religion of Communists and the German National Socialist Party. No, HItler was not a Christian, he just used them as usful idiots.

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    • AndYetItMoves
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:31am

      “Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.”
      - Mein Kampf

      “Gott mit Uns” (God on our side)
      - Carved on the belt buckle of every Nazi in uniform.

      Kindly educate yourself on these matters.

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    • 1snake1
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:49am

      If atheism is a religion then not collecting stamps is a hobby. Who knew I had so many hobbies.

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    • SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:58am

      @ ANDYET…..I find it interesting you say “educate yourself”…Hitler was NOT a Christian my friend. Thank you.

      http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/mischedj/ca_hitler.html

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    • SacredHonor1776
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:12pm

      Hitler wae an oppertunist. He used religion only as far as he could use its influence to draw in and brainwash the masses. Once he took over though he twisted churches into unholy parodies that worshiped him.l not the son of God. God and Christ were turned into lesser Aryan Nordic gods… He had created a pagan religion. However being the god of his own religion he was not a member himself. It was just a tool to manipulate certain portions of the masses.

      True Christians who refused to comply we’re rounded up tortured and sent to work camps and many to concentrations camps.

      His regime is also known for promoting atheism and secularism as well among the soldiers. Albeit people like Himmler always kept occult pagan vaneer on some of the NAZI traditions. Christmas was was still a very important holiday but religious symbols were scrubbed replaced with symbols of the state and the Aryan beliefs.

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    • AndYetItMoves
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:25pm

      “Hitler wae an oppertunist. He used religion only as far as he could use its influence to draw in and brainwash the masses.”

      Which brings us full circle back to Robertson.

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    • AndYetItMoves
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:40pm

      Sleazy, we can equivocate on this one. Hitler left behind plenty of contradictory statements regarding his personal cosmology. I would never argue that the preachments of Christianity have anything to do with Hitler or national socialism. By the same token, I simply won’t put up with this asinine idea that Nazism was an atheistic movement. Germany was an ultra-catholic state in the early 20th century, as was Italy, as was Spain. There is no point in claiming that one ideology or the other bears responsibility for the Nazis, and I would say the same to any clown like Robertson that tries to explain away this shooting by the same tactic.

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    • SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 1:05pm

      @ ANDYET….I would agree with you it was not an atheistic movement. Thank you….

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  • Edohiguma
    Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:14am

    So I hate God, I hate the expression of God, and I’m angry at the world, angry with myself, angry with society and I take it out on innocent people who are worshiping God? Really? I didn’t know that. Hey thanks for telling me what I feel or think, crazy old coot. Ridiculous generalization there, lunatic. This argument is on the same level as “Christians are stupid durr.”

    Also love how he calls for the followers of the pedophile mass murdering “prophet” by their name and with that totally caters to their ridiculous claims. “Muslim” means basically “true believer.” And no, allah is not the same god as the Judeo-Christian god, not even remotely. Heck, none of the couple of million gods we have currently on this planet are the same or can even remotely be smashed together into one true god. There are too many differences. Not to mention that allah doesn’t have much love for anyone except males who follow him. Everyone else is a sub-human under allah.

    There’s only one person to blame here: the lunatic who took a gun and shot a couple of people at the Sikh temple. That’s the only responsible person. And now the media, including this generalizing nutter, gives this crazy gunman not just 15 minutes of fame. He will get days, weeks of fame. Heck, that murderer’s wikipedia entry will be bigger than mine. And there lies the problem. These people seek attention and we willingly give it to them without thinking. The next murderer is already out there planning to kill a

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  • searching for the Truth
    Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:13am

    The Lord has forged way for the impossible to be possible – who in their right mind could hate that – there is only one.

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    • AndYetItMoves
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:19am

      Dear lord, save me from the suffocating stupidity of your followers.

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    • SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:04pm

      @ ANDYET….I believe in Jesus Christ, am I stupid? Let’s see if you can debate it with me. I have asked you to stand behind your opinons before and demonstrate a logical argument for your position and yet it seems you are the one that “checks out” of conversations with me. There really is nothing to be afraid of, if you cling to truth then you should have no problem arguing for the truth against me. Let’s just examine some lines of reason and/or evidence if your willing. Thank you ahead.

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    • Verceofreason
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:04pm

      Who’s lord, not mine.

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    • AndYetItMoves
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:35pm

      I’d be honored, sleazy. If I checked out of conversations with you before I can promise you it wasn’t intentional. Let’s begin with my claim that atheism/godlessness correlates positively with intelligence; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religiosity_and_intelligence

      Take a look at the three main branches of the studies. I fully recognize that this has nothing to do with the veracity of religion, I’m just wondering how you account for what is apparently a substantial gap in education/intelligence between the opposing viewpoints. Also I might point to the National Academy of Sciences, where 93% of sitting members self-identify as atheistic or agnostic. Do you think this just represents the machinery of some sinister, liberal intelligensita? Or would you be willing to agree with the evidence that atheists, on the whole, are people of above-average intelligence?

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    • SquidVetOhio
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 1:02pm

      Too bad consensus doesn’t equal science. Nice try. The man who discovered gravity was a creationist. Anymore resumes you’d like to roll out?

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    • SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 1:15pm

      @ ANDYET…It is an illogical argument to argue the reality of a presupposition based upon the intellignece of those in either camp. That is the fallacy of appealing to a groups charactieristics rather than to thdirect evidence or argument. Please state your best argument for YOUR position. I will give an example why your argument is fallacious. For the longest time in medicine (I am a surgeon) it was thought ridiculous to wash your hands between treating patients. Those who held that position were much more highly educated than the individual who espoused the practice, yet the less educated individual was correct and the “more intelligent” group was wrong. I can answer your question very easily but first we have to establish my pressuposition of the bible being the word of God (which I realize is a greater task than this thread might allow). If you want to know how I would respond to that based upon my understanding of the evidence I would be happy to explain, but you will have to understand we would be skipping many many steps in establishing why we should even care what the bible would say on the matter. Thank you ahead.

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  • themachinist239
    Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:11am

    “He was talking about those who do not know God‘s love are the one’s who commit terrorism.”

    —which is a bigoted, fallacious statement to begin with. I will assume you typed without thinking that one through.

    “I think it was taken out of context if you watch the video. He wasn’t trashing anyone.”

    Actually, likening people to ruthless serial murderers simply because they don’t believe in your god is some of the worst trashing you can do as a religious leader. His whole rant provides, if anything, more context into his worldview and how he views people. I will consider his remarks in context though, and remind myself that not all Christians are fear-driven zealots.

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  • Hrothgar
    Posted on August 7, 2012 at 10:49am

    He’s such a cute old fart, but man he needs to take some Geritol or something.

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  • Tychicus
    Posted on August 7, 2012 at 10:43am

    Atheists don’t hate God, they are just in total denial and intellectually dishonest about the whole “God” issue. The God issue has to do with justice, responsibility, compassion, and humility. Respecting others opinions and beliefs should still be the rule whatever side of the issue you are on. Sometimes that means being informed and educating yourself. The “co-exist” bumper sticker/logo is a good example of ignorance and disrespect of others opinions and beliefs.
    Meaningful dialogue means respect and an informed viewpoint.
    Courage and Godspeed.

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    • AndYetItMoves
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:18am

      “Respecting others opinions and beliefs should still be the rule whatever side of the issue you are on.“ ”The “co-exist” bumper sticker/logo is a good example of ignorance and disrespect of others opinions and beliefs.”

      Anyone else confused by this one? By the way, ideas never deserve compulsory respect. Christianity is an idea, and if I think your ideas are ludicrous (which they are), you will never be immune to hearing about it. It’s called progress, boss. Just because theists aren‘t winning any arguments doesn’t mean they get to check out of the conversation.

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    • Tychicus
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:51am

      @ANDYETITMOVES
      Christianity is a Messiah who fulfilled prophecy and rose from the grave. Don’t confuse fantasy and fiction with reality. Christianity has a solid foundation in fact. Jesus of Nazareth rose from the grave. Eyewitness testimony and historical accounts demonstrate that. Try again.
      Courage and Godspeed.

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    • Tychicus
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:55am

      @ANDYETITMOVES
      Yes, if you want to critique someone’s ideas, you need to be informed. Christianity is more than someone’s idea. It is a historical established religion built on facts and fulfillment of prophecy. Christianity is not “my idea”, but rather eye witness testimony and historical accounts. Christians/Christianity is built on the teachings of Christ and the Apostles found in the NT. Try again.
      Courage and Godspeed.

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    • DeavonReye
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 1:34pm

      When you fabricate “prophesy”, you can make anything say whatever you want. Not impressed and never have been with “messianic prophesy”. All are vague, misinterpretation of past events, or claimed “prophesy” found no where in the OT.

      I have done my homework [no, not an expert, but you don't have to be to find plenty of error, and even ONE is enough to render the rest suspect] and after a long effort to journal my findings, I came out on the side of NOT claiming christianity any longer.

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    • SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 2:27pm

      @ DEAVON…Hello friend, me again. I am curious what errors you have found in prophecy. Would you mind quickly summarizing your findings please. Secondly, I would take issue with the statment that the Messianic prophecies were vague. Pslam 22 obviously discusses the crucifixion 1000 years before crucifixion was even invented. All jews were familiar with Psalm 22 so when the Gospels were originally preached they could have easily dismissed them as false. Why were a number of Pharisees inclined to follow Jesus? Why did the Pharisees have difficulty in charging Jesus with worng doing if he was a fraud? Why were the eyewitnesses willing to suffer abuse and die for their claim that he did do the things they claimed when many could have discredited them if they did not occur? Why does every major story prefigure Christ and the cross in someway from Adam/Eve, to Noah, to Joseph, Sampson with prostitute, to David, Issac/Ishmael, Jacob/Esau, Gideon, Joshua, Moses, Abraham/Isaac, Daniel/Lions Den, Jonah, Ruth, Esther, David/Goliath, Mephebosheth, and on and on?

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    • DeavonReye
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 2:55pm

      offspring, the Psalm 22 passage is a good example, actually. SOME of the elements were similar. We are human. There has never been one who has been dry mouth, feeling pressed in, surrounded, on display, etc. But you take a past story WITH those elements and just because some of them sound kinda like the crucifixion narrative, people assume Psalm 22 was “prophetic”.

      When you use such past stories, you are insisted upon overlooking parts of sentences [or following sentences] that do not [at all] sound like the crucifixion narrative. And other parts are vague enough that a substitution is made in place of something else. Suddenly, “dogs surrounding me” are transformed into Roman soldiers. Inconsistencies MAY have even led to fabricated future verses for the purpose of creating “a prophetic verse”. Other parts are “made into excuses” as to “what it was saying by that.“ Like the ”all my bones are out of joint”. Was this the case of Jesus? Of course not. But “it is an analogy of ___________” [fill in the blank] is promoted by apologists and is expected to be believed.

      But even IF something was ACTUALLY prophesied [and done so with a strict statement of "What I am about to say is prophesy of the coming Messiah"] . . . all you have is someone giving a word of “prophesy” . . . and something similar to his words taking place later. There are many ways such things can come about. Luck. Fabrication. Just sayin.

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    • DeavonReye
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 3:02pm

      Having said all of that, . . . even if I were to give in to it all being true, and each prophesy WAS undeniable, it still wouldn’t address the main issue I have always had when attempting to “reach out to god” in my youth. The complete lack of anything remotely like a supernatural being answering me or communing with me WAS undeniable. A smart man once said “extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence”. I remember time after time when I was a youth [well before I ever started questioning it all], pouring my “heart” out, and feeling a black emptiness. Years and years of “seeking god”, running to the alter, reading the bible, praying, . . . . . nothing. Just myself. It MAY be that I am incapable of experiencing what you do. However, that is not on me. I am as I am. And who I am is as honest as you can find.

      After I quested to discover why I wasn’t “like my christian friends”, . . . I ended up as I am. A long journey to be sure, but an honest one.

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    • DeavonReye
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 3:43pm

      Sorry, a sentence in the one [2 above this one] didn’t come out right. I said, “There has never been one who has been dry mouth, feeling pressed in, surrounded, on display, etc.” What I meant was, “there have been others who have been…..”

      Anyway, please do not read any of my posts as if I am angry or combative. I want to be sure that I come across as calm on this delicate topic. I am posing my thoughts. Your mileage may vary. :-)

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    • SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 7:06pm

      @ DEAVON….Thank you for your honest and forthright reply, I appreciate that very much and I also appreciate your respectful handeling and sensitivity of the issue. While I agree that we must be careful in assessing prophecy ther eare certain elements and themes that when occurring over and over must demonstrate a divine origin of authorship. Given the extrodinary diversity of authors, span of time, and different culture settings there is an undeniable theme that runs through all of the OT that points to the person of Jesus Christ and the cross. If we lQQk to Psalm 22 it is anything but vagure. As it starts Jesus cried “Elohim, Elohim, lama sabacthani” which is My God my God why have you forsaken me (Jesus cried out from the cross and Pharisees that would have come to believe in him would have heard it with their own ears), which is an indication as to the prophetic context of the Psalm. Then he goes onto say, “All who see me mock me; they hurl insults, shaking their heads. 8 “He trusts in the Lord,” they say, “let the Lord rescue him. Let him deliver him, since he delights in him.” In the acocunt at cross the pharisees said, In the same way the chief priests, the teachers of the law and the elders mocked him. 42 “He saved others,” they said, “but he can’t save himself! He’s the king of Israel! Let him come down now from the cross, and we will believe in him. 43 He trusts in God. Let God rescue him now if he wants him, for he said, ‘I am the So

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    • SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 7:32pm

      @ DEAVON….Jesus Bones were out of joint in that it was common to dislocate the shoulders (and other joints) for crucifixion. When it says all we have to ask ourselves has anyone ever had every single joint out of place (that is just plain silly to assume that meaning) or is the more logical understanding that is a term used for emphasis (which is done ALL the time). Again of course his mouth was dry after all the blood loss from scourging, remember they offered him a drink on a sponge because he said he was thirsty. They pierced my hands and feet? That is not obscure in anyway as that was not even done at David’s time. They divided my clothes among them? That isn’t obscure and there were many witnesses to discredit the account of the apostles if it was a lie. Verse 24, for he has not despised the suffering of the afflicted one? This in light of let’s say Is 53., this is obsecure or vague? I would say the extrodinary claims require no more evidence than anything else in that evidence is evidence and we can draw logical conclusions on that evidence. To suggest that a much higher level of evidence is required is a logical fallacy. What of literally all the typologies present? Literally in every story of the OT is a very obvious picture of Christ and the cross. I think there are more instances than we could ever discuss in this thread. Thank you…

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    • DeavonReye
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 9:41pm

      OFFSPRING, I guess we see Psalm 22 differently.

      This is the point I was making. Similarities can often be misunderstood as something that was never intended. Sure, Psalm 22 starts off with what Jesus [in the crucifixion narrative] exclaimed. . . but if you go just past that one part:

      Why are you so far(B) from saving me,
      so far from my cries of anguish?(C)
      2 My God, I cry out by day, but you do not answer,(D)
      by night,(E) but I find no rest.[b]

      …he didn’t cry out for salvation as Psalm 22b suggests, . . .nor was “god” silent to Jesus “day after day”. As for “bones being out of joint”, some may have been, but Psalm 22 stated that “ALL were”.

      At best, we have a few small snippets from an early story that sounded similar. The rest doesn’t correlate at all.

      Again, we just disagree with each other on this. My stance is, of course, my sincere look at it. But as I said above, even if it were all true, it cannot answer a comletely silence/absent god being that absolutely ignored a young child’s plea for decades [going under the assumption that this god exists]. If all prophesies were true, it would be a rather amazing thing, . . . but I still wouldn’t be able to worship a figure from a bible that always hides.

      Anyway, I appreciate your concern and in the way you have addressed this topic. I enjoy a civil debate. Have a good evening.

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  • Tychicus
    Posted on August 7, 2012 at 10:39am

    Robertson’s comments should not be associated with bible believing Christians.
    It is really irrelevant to mention “atheists hate god” and then say that it is a motive for murdering other people. So stupid it just wants to make you puke. Real Christians don’t think this way, Scripture does not advocate such a motive for murdering people you don’t know. Robertson is really insane and has demonstrated that many times in the past with his stunts (i.e., talking with God, pleading for money or God will take him away, etc.) His comments are more entertainment than anything else.

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    • AndYetItMoves
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:27am

      An entirely reasonable and respectable viewpoint here. The only problem is that when guys like Robertson get the word ‘Reverend’ put in front of their name there is literally nothing they can’t get away with saying. I believe that Robertson is a fraud and a cynic, but the undiscerning mob that follows him is equally at fault.

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    • Tychicus
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:02pm

      @ANDYETITMOVES
      I agree that the “masses” follow his words, but Scripture is the final authority for all teachings in Christianity, not the words of any man. No man takes upon himself the authority of Scripture. All Christians are responsible to test teachings by the Scriptures to see if they are correct. They are responsible for their own actions. Blind followers are very much alike.
      Scripture is the Divine rule of faith and practice.
      Confession of Faith 1689
      http://www.chapellibrary.org/files/archive/pdf-english/lbco.pdf
      Courage and Godspeed.

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  • wifezilla
    Posted on August 7, 2012 at 10:26am

    How is Pat Robertson any different than the liberals who blame the tea party without any facts?

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    • The-Real-Enrico
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 10:50am

      Its not. Pat is getting old and loopy. He has been saying crazy stuff over the last few years. He should retire sooner than later.

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    • Wichita1
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 10:54am

      Pats view makes more sense than it does to blame Michele Bachmann.
      The the Liberal Media should tone down some of their 24/7 blame game.
      Why must they always find someone to blame?
      Maybe the sick man was pushed over the edge by the none stop hate filled media sewage?

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    • Verceofreason
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:07pm

      I agree with ole traditional marriage Pat, if your loving wife is ill,
      go out and get some elsewhere. PAR-TAAAAAAAAAAY!
      Even a married man has needs!!! forget that “…………..or worse” part of
      them sacred vows.

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    • Verceofreason
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:08pm

      Pat is not sane.

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    • justangry
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 2:44pm

      He’s not and his whole statement was nothing more than collectivist drivel.

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  • vaman
    Posted on August 7, 2012 at 10:13am

    I’m pretty sure this guy was a christian white supremacist. In fact, that has been made clear on several news reports. Sorry Pat and anyone that believes him, you fail once again.

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  • hi
    Posted on August 7, 2012 at 10:12am

    He was talking about those who do not know God‘s love are the one’s who commit terrorism. I think it was taken out of context if you watch the video. He wasn’t trashing anyone.

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    • themachinist239
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:57pm

      “He was talking about those who do not know God‘s love are the one’s who commit terrorism.”

      —which is a bigoted, fallacious statement to begin with. I will assume you typed without thinking that one through.

      “I think it was taken out of context if you watch the video. He wasn’t trashing anyone.”

      Actually, likening people to ruthless serial murderers simply because they don’t believe in your god is some of the worst trashing you can do as a religious leader. His whole rant provides, if anything, more context into his worldview and how he views people. I will consider his remarks in context though, and remind myself that not all Christians are fear-driven zealots.

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  • Individualism
    Posted on August 7, 2012 at 10:11am

    what an idiot, do we really need to mention how many have been murdered and how many mass murders there has been under Catholocism more than Islam.

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    • The_Cabrito_Goat
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 10:23am

      The answer to your question is yes. Please wow us.

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    • Individualism
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 10:25am

      o that is just one branch from Christianity to. Atheists don’t believe in anti Islam crusade like the killer did, Christians more so do.

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    • Dismayed Veteran
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 10:30am

      Yep

      Except we didn’t eliminate enough of you Protestants.

      Grow up. It is not the 1500′s any more.

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    • barber2
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 10:34am

      INDI: more details please. I get the fact that you hate Christians but the facts as to why I’m not sure.

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    • The_Cabrito_Goat
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 10:36am

      I suppose if the Sikhs were attacking the remnants of the Eastern Roman Empire, and Constantinople coptics pleaded for help, then yes, he‘d be a crusader and you’d be a bad Christian not to defend your brethren in faith from a conflict they began by merely existing.

      However, Sikhism does not advocate holy war. So this was not an act of self defense so this *******’s actions were not a crusade.

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    • Individualism
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:32am

      I am an Atheist and i don’t need war monger religious zealots choosing innocent Atheists as a target when his group he prides himself with so much did more of it than anyone else. we don’t care to submit ourselves to an authority that may or may not exist.

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  • WirbelDave
    Posted on August 7, 2012 at 10:06am

    Oh Pat, when will you and other Christians ever learn? No Atheist hates God. You can‘t hate something you don’t believe exist. Such a dumb ass.

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    • barber2
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 10:44am

      “such a dumb ass.” Such a rude, hateful comment. Can’t you make a point without that ?

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    • McKinley
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 10:51am

      Recent brain studies show why so many Christians insist that atheists “hate God” – some fundamentalists LITERALLY cannot imagine someone not believing what they believe.

      So they think atheists MUST know God is there, and the only explanation they can come up with is that atheists choose to reject him.

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    • Verceofreason
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:13pm

      I hate Santa Claus, he takes the X out of Xmas!

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  • Jezreel
    Posted on August 7, 2012 at 10:04am

    I could not care less on what Pat Robertson says. He preaches doctrines that are not in line with Jesus Christ, doctrines from the great whore of 300 AD. Not a man of God but that is my opinion. Silly women who send these religious frauds their “tithes and offerings” probably adore him.

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  • searching for the Truth
    Posted on August 7, 2012 at 10:03am

    That’s about it !

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  • john vincent
    Posted on August 7, 2012 at 10:00am

    Pat has good intentions, but he really should wait until all the facts are out regarding this tragedy. ‘Better to be silent and thought to be a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt.’ (good quote from somebody)

    Eithert way….the heart is deceitful and desperately wicked above all things….who can know it?

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  • jzs
    Posted on August 7, 2012 at 10:00am

    Perhaps Pat is a little unclear on the concept. Athiests don’t believe in God, so they aren’t really in a position to hate Him.

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    • Gonzo
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 10:05am

      Keep telling youself that, maybe someday you’ll actually believe it.

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    • barber2
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 10:09am

      J: Have you read the comments written HERE by our atheists ? They hate , demean, and mock people who believe in God and/ or go to church ! Don’t think skinheads are as noted for their church attendance as they are notorious for HATING and being “ different” from the rest of society. They pride themselves in being ” different.” In some cases, carried to outrageous behaviors.

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    • encinom
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 10:22am

      Funny Barber, since most white supremacists identify themselves as “good” Christians. Do I mock Christians, yes I do. The Christians like Pat Robinson, Barton. CFA CEO and many that post on the blaze reek of hypocrisy. Cherry picking passages from their holy book, posting with a holier than thou attitude they are ripe to be mocked.

      As for hating the other, that is what Beck bases his show on and the first plank of the Tea Party platform. If you do not espouse the discredited politically theories of the Neo-John Birchers than you aren’t a true American. That is the average post here.

      Barber, you are not more than another blind sheep in Beck’s flocks, no ability to think for yourself and just follows who ever has the best paranoid rhetoric to explain away progress and change.

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    • barber2
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 10:43am

      ENCINOM: I think the base of our problems to communicate lies here: you are equating all white Christians as white supremacists . Not true. Sure there are groups like the nut job haters at Westboro , but all true Christians can NOT be Christians since Christ’s whole message was based around ” love.” Loving God and one’s neighbor. The truth is that white supremacy groups are based on hate . The white version of the Black Muslims which actually claims to be a religion and preaches hate against ” the white devils.” Nice, huh ? In other words, HATERS come in all colors, all religions ( including atheism ) , and all political groups. What separates them is HATE . What makes them dangerous is their HATE. And your comments here are quite hateful.

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    • ModerationIsBest
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:19am

      @BARBER2

      The poster said that Atheists don’t think God exists, therefore they can’t hate him.

      You then went on about how Atheists on here demean and mock Christians.

      Those aren’t the same things.

      I also think people like to play the victim. Nothing more funny then Christians saying they’re being “persecuted” in the United States.

      You say Atheists mock and demean Christians. Yet Christianity is a religion that says anybody who doesn’t accept Jesus as their savior is destined for an eternal punishment on an alternate plane of existence.

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    • Verceofreason
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 6:16pm

      That‘s way over Gonzo’s head. What isn’t.
      Verne Troyer is way over Gonzo’s head.

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  • 1snake1
    Posted on August 7, 2012 at 9:59am

    Non-believers (atheists and agnostics) make up 93% of the academy of science and less than 1% of the prison population. I wish you God-‘Lovers’ would stop committing crimes and start doing science.

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    • JohnLarson
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 10:12am

      Good post.

      It’s true… the most religious population is the jail population, which is mostly repeat offenders, so it’s not like they all just got in then converted and were good.

      And atheists tend to be advanced degree holders actually giving back to society.

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    • hi
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 10:25am

      The Bible contains proven prophecy. No other religion has that.
      It also contains scientific information even though it was written a thousand years before the information was found by scientists:
      The Bible spoke of earth’s free float in space in Job. Science discovered this in 1650
      The Bible spoke of invisible structure in Hebrews 2000 years ago “things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.” We recently discovered atoms.
      The Bible reveals the earth is round in Isaiah “It is he that sits upon the CIRLE of the earth.” This was 300 years before Aristotle.
      The Bible talks about the “Paths of the sea” in Psalms 8:8. Matthew Maury found the paths in 1800′s because he believed the Bible and set out to find them. (continental currents)

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    • hi
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 10:28am

      The Bible in Isaih, Psalms, and Hebrews indicate the earth is wearing out. THis is the Second Law of Thermodynamics.
      The Bible describes the water cycle in Ecclesiastes which wasn’t discovered for more than 20000 ears by Perrault, Mariote, Halley and others.
      The Bible describes the first law of thermodynamics in Genesis.Whereas scientist tried the steady-state theory until it realized the Law of the Conservation of Energy and Mass.

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    • 1snake1
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 10:31am

      H.I. -

      Google ANY of your claims plus the word ‘debunked’. Not one of those is true. And by using the word ‘circle’ to mean ‘sphere’ I can tell that you don’t read Hebrew. The people who wrote the bible undeniably believed in a circular disc-world that was flat and was covered with a dome (the firmament) which kept out the ‘waters of the deep’. Just like every other bronze age cult in that part of the world.

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    • Tychicus
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 10:48am

      Yeah, the whole system is against anyone with other viewpoints. Just try to submit a paper that even mentions Creationism or Intelligent Design in a non-negative way and you get purged by the evolution zealots. The whole discipline is in lockstep to keep their precious grants and lefty funding.
      Courage and Godspeed

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    • hi
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:08am

      Circle is the Hebrew word “chuwg” which also means something spherical, rounde3d, or arched, not something that is flat or square.
      The Bible backs up scientific finds in every field. (evolution does not have one scientific fact…the Biblical accound of a global flood makes more scientific sense especially since 85% of the earth is covered with sedimentary rock)
      Archelogical finds also back up the Bible. The historicity of the Bible is solid.

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    • hi
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:18am

      Snake
      You can‘t say it’s debunked because the things I wrote are exact words from the Bible! The Bible knew science before scientists, of course, because it was inspired by God who created the universe.

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    • SimpleTruths
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:29am

      HI
      Shaw said it best. ““No man ever believes that the Bible means what it says: He is always convinced that it says what he means.”

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    • hi
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:40am

      Simpletruths
      I believe Matthew said it best
      “”Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces.”
      The pearls are God’s wisdom.
      I am not here to argue with people who are willfully ignorant but to give hope to those who seek it.
      Also, I’m not calling you a dog or pig!
      PS God loves you. He loves hot and cold but not lukewarm. You are so hot against him, it is easier to turn you into a genuine Christian than a guy who thinks he is a Christian and just plugs along.

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    • themachinist239
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:03pm

      TYCHICUS: “Yeah, the whole system is against anyone with other viewpoints. Just try to submit a paper that even mentions Creationism or Intelligent Design in a non-negative way and you get purged by the evolution zealots. The whole discipline is in lockstep to keep their precious grants and lefty funding.
      Courage and Godspeed”

      Cognitive dissonance is strong in this one. The scientific community rejects religious ‘viewpoints’ often because they have no scientific basis, not because of a personal, vindictive grudge against religious people. You’re the one with faith. Faith; aka believing something without evidence. You‘re going to get told your theory of the universe makes no sense for the same reason talking snakes don’t exist; because there’s no evidence that they do. Why would your scientific research paper be mentioning creationism in either a positive or negative light anyway? Science isn’t based on opinion or whether you think something is good or bad, it’s about objectivity and evidence. I think you’re confusing scientific journals with the opinion section of a newspaper.

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    • phillyatheist
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 2:47pm

      i think it would be funny to see priests in lab gear running tests on their God hypothesis. “hmmmm, what’s this beaker for?”

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  • AnimalsAsLeaders
    Posted on August 7, 2012 at 9:59am

    *sigh* Pat Robertson, please go away.

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    • NOT A CRAZY
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 10:21am

      Someday he will and so will we. The question is where we will spend eternity. Pat was right and I hope he sticks to his guns this time instead of backing down under pressure. I see Paulbots on here dissing on Pat and one would think they would love him after he said that Mary Jane should be decriminalized.

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    • Verceofreason
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 6:17pm

      Only when the donations stop.

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  • AndYetItMoves
    Posted on August 7, 2012 at 9:57am

    The suicide bombing community is exclusively religious. Try getting someone to commit a murder/suicide if they have not been deluded into thinking they’ll be rewarded in the hereafter.

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  • SREGN
    Posted on August 7, 2012 at 9:53am

    Evil can only occur in the void left by the absence of love for God.

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    • AndYetItMoves
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 9:58am

      Or, you know, by people who commit evil precisely because they think god loves them, the ‘prophet’ Robertson being a good example.

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    • Verceofreason
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 6:19pm

      God told Zimmerman to kill Trayvon Martin.
      It was god’s will according to Georgie.
      Why is god a gang bangging thug?

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