Pat Robertson Says a Man‘s Struggle With Homosexual ’Obsession‘ May Be ’Related to Demonic Possession’
- Posted on March 27, 2012 at 6:00pm by
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Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson isn’t afraid to make his often-controversial feelings about both political and social issues known. On Monday, Robertson’s show, “The 700 Club,“ aired a segment about ”Shawn,” a man who had extramarital affairs with men. During the broadcast, the media personality said he thinks Shawn’s struggle with homosexuality “is somehow related to demonic possession.”
Here’s how Right Wing Watch sums up Robertson’s coverage of the story:
Today the 700 Club featured a segment on a man who tried to “change” his sexuality by marrying a woman, but later ended up having extramarital affairs with men. The couple reconciled after his “repentance and deliverance from the homosexual lifestyle” and decided to stay together…
“The world today says ‘Okay, Shawn, so you are gay, you want to have affairs with men — that’s cool. You have an absolute right to do that, why not?’,” Robertson said. “That’s not the right attitude. The attitude is that this is sin. It’s wrong. And [this man] realized it was wrong but couldn’t control it.”
The religious leader went on to take aim at Shawn’s behaviors.
“But that type of conduct is wrong and it’s time in society we say certain things are wrong. However you look at it … he is obsessed. He has a compulsion,” Robertson continued. “I would think it is somehow related to demonic possession.”
Watch Robertson’s commentary, below:
Watch the entire episode (Robertson’s words about demonic possession are around 55:00):
(H/T: Huffington Post)
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momprayn
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 7:58pmMy theory is that homosexuality is, most of the time indeed a “defect” that is inherited from the family line (first explained in Romans 1) and yes, of demonic origin. I differ from other Christians but think that is biblical. We all inherit some kind of abnormality – like some w/propensity to certain diseases, whatever. However, it’s not simply having these abnormal preferences that is sin – it’s the decision to act on them – just like heteros w/adultery, etc. Answer: God expects all of us to come to Him for help w/ all of our abnormalities. Demonic possession is more easily understood after you do a study in spiritual warfare, which too many Christians don’t & aren’t taught. Most don’t like this subject so they justify it away (like not for today, just “then”) but Jesus commanded all believers (not just those biblical disciples) to deliver people of them like He did – it is STILL needed !!!.
Report Post »One of the “symtoms” of this is “compulsion” & that’s why Pat said “somehow”. There are different degrees of control, depending on the numbers, etc. It’s not an “excuse” since the Bible says you can be delivered & need to repent and request it if necessary – many testimonies out there about this. Sometimes they are completely “changed”; others able to control and be happy.
I am very upset that this isn’t taught and the “church” doesn’t do this much – just think of all the horrendous crimes that could have been avoided & homosexuals helped.
Hova
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 8:09pmThat’s not a theory. That’s a hypothesis. Pick up a dictionary, like I said.
Report Post »FreedomPurveyor
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 8:15pmHomosexuals are often conservative in thought. Unfortunately, they can’t really associate with conservatives without being told that they are possessed by demons.
I have an idea! How about we let their sexual relationships remain between them, their partners, and God. I am reasonably certain that it will never affect anyone else.
Report Post »Directoratasmallbusiness
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 8:19pmRead my posts! Maybe if you are smart enough you will understand or you could just be prejudice!!!!!!!!!!
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 8:56pmEven Ted Bundy admitted to being from a Christian family whose parents took them to church every Sunday..Said he had a wonderful family..Bundy helped law enforcement catch the Green River Killer..because Ted knew how the entity thought..what he liked.. Bundy said after having been in prison approx 15 yrs. that the one thing the violent criminals had in common was pornography..Christian theology teaches that demons enter in via pornography, drugs, and the occult..There is a “spirit of homosexuality” and it is written that it is an abomination..not just a sin..but something God hates.
Report Post »Cymry
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 9:02pmhate the sin, love the sinner because we war not with flesh and blood.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 9:06pmMy Observation… over generations… is a Woman is the Power Figure in the Family, and a boy will be both threatened by Power and seek Power, so he imitates his Mother Figure!
Report Post »FreedomPurveyor
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 9:43pm“Bundy said after having been in prison approx 15 yrs. that the one thing the violent criminals had in common was pornography..Christian theology teaches that demons enter in via pornography, drugs, and the occult..”
Demons… Or… could be high testosterone… but maybe it’s demons
Report Post »black9897
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 10:04pmI wouldn’t call it “demonic possession” I would call spiritual warfare. I don’t think people who sin are possessed, just acting on natural sinful desires.
@FREEDOM. I somewhat agree. But it’s still the job of Christians to tell the truth (with LOVE) about sin and God, etc.
Report Post »do_it_all_again
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 10:17pm@director
as you say”“I am in the upper 3 percent of the most educated people in the world and a Christian””
maybe you should pick up a dictionary. a eunuch is not g a y.
eunuch
Noun
1. a man who has been castrated and is incapable of reproduction; “eunuchs guarded the harem”
(synonym) castrate
(hypernym) man, adult male
And may i also suggest you pick up a Bible and read it,
and God said
Leviticus 18:22
You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination.
Leviticus 20:13
If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.
So where do you see that god said it was ok,, and surely, with you being in the 3rd upper part of the most educated,, you can read that and understand that an Abomination is not something good.
Babylon English: Abomination:
loathing, detestation; shameful deed, evil, villainy
surely you dont consider the above definition as good ? i do not, and neither does GOD
As i have read “some” of postings and i see your a psychologist, and this could be the problem with your argument, if you would try and put down your freud and spock , you may be able to intelligently interpret the Bible, remember the Bible was written for the farmer, the commoner, easy to understand, so i can easily see why someone with such a high intelligence as yours might have trouble discerning the words and meanings from Hebrew
Report Post »do_it_all_again
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 10:32pmfrom Hebrew and Greek language.
Report Post »Netizen Kane
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 11:11pmMomprayin: I hope thoughtful Christians who are not familiar with Spiritual Warfare take time to dig into the subject. You are correct that most professed Christians are woefully ignorant about the subject and as our the products of modern seminaries. It’s ironic that so many non-christians can believe an afterlife while watching “Ghost Adventures” and see demonic possession, yet completely dismiss all other aspects of the spiritual world. Such is the Evil One’s hold on their minds. Thanks for bringing up the subject. Anyone that brings it up is generally ridiculed by professed Christians and non-believers alike. Keep sharing and speaking in Love and it will be alright. Even to the Atheists, whose hatred and anger seems to be growing to the point of targeting Christians for extreme violence or worse. God Bless….
Report Post »casseopea42
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 11:55pmAs much as homosexuals fight for their ‘right’ to say it’s ok, Christians should have the right to say it’s a sin. That being said I wish sometimes that Robertson would add another layer of filtration on the speech center of his brain. When he make leaps like hurricanes come because those in its path are sinful make other statements he says seem stupid even when they aren’t.
Report Post »Directoratasmallbusiness
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 5:55pm@ DO IT ALL
Report Post »LOL – I know what the dictionary says about a eunuch. Thanks though, I really appreciate the tip. However, I also know that they were those who were considered “gay” during that time and some were made that way by others/ masters. Read Mathew 19: 11-12 and see what Jesus said!!!!!!!!!
Also, I DO NOT JUST GET MY INFO FROM A DICTIONARY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
tmarends
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 1:00pm@ Do It All — You are pulling the modern definition of eunuch from a modern dictionary… not relyinig on how Chirst talked about eunuchs in the Bible. Christ mentions 3 types and only 1 is the castrated man. The others are those who are celibate, and those who are BORN so. There is enough historical evidence to suggest that the BORN, or natural, eunuch did include what we today would call gay men. Roman law, at the time of Christ, defined a natural eunuch as a man who was physically fully functional (that is, everything was there and worked), but psychologically could not copulate (have sex) with women. Natural eunuchs were known to be sexual beings… with other natural eunuchs. This is recorded in history throughout the world: India, China, Africa, Europe, the American (North & South America) natives…
Also, Abomination means “culturally impure”. Everytime it is used in the Bible it has cultural ties. Did you know, according to Genesis 43:32 that it was an abomination for the Egyptians to eat a meal with the Hebrews. That’s right. Eating a meal with someone as lowly as a Hebrew slave was an abomination to the Egyptian people. The abominations mentioned in Leviticus are for the Hebrew people. But under Christ, through our faith, we are no longer held to the Law of the Hebrews. Paul made that clear that Gentiles did not have to follow the Hebrew laws to become Christian. This is why we can have a bacon cheeseburger today. NONE of those laws apply to us
Report Post »jfutral
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 6:37pm@tmarends
Obviously you‘re not reading the right Bible or you’re misinterpreting it. God was clear what He meant by abomination and therefore, yeah, yours and Director’s Eunichs are just that. Why on earth would you think it’s okay for a man to lay with a man when man and woman were created to reproduce? It‘s obvious to me that you’re both Atheists and want to interpret the Bible the way YOU want to. I for one read no ambiguity in God’s words. He was specific about what He wanted from mankind and those who did not follow the law were damned.
Report Post »neuturn
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 6:47pmWhere is this noted in the 10 commandments. You speak of a statement spoken by Jesus not a commandment by his Father.
Report Post »Nightjar
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 7:20pmDefinitely demonic for God is not the author of confusion.
Report Post »FreedomPurveyor
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 7:55pm*slaps forehead*
Report Post »Cymry
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 7:50pmThe bible specifically states that homosexuality is an abomination. Pretty simple.
The devil is usually in the details when you try to complicate the matter to some how fit it into an acceptable slot in your life (as a practitioner or enabler).
Report Post »Cymry
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 7:54pmbtw, if you believe in angels, you believe in demons.
Report Post »YAHSHUARULES
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 2:00amThe homosexual agenda is to embrace every form of filth and perversion without having to deal with the morality. The devil comes to steal, kill and destroy. Yahshua said that he came to give life abundantly. Judge a tree by its fruit. This queer movement is demonic. The founder in the USA was a member of the occult satanic demonic organization O.T.O. That’s who founded it. Pat Robertson is right. We are in a spiritual war. Most are unarmed against the enemy because they don’t even recognize there is actually one. Read C.S. Lewis “Screwtape Letters” where the young demon laments to the older people don’t even believe in demons. The older wiser demon rebukes the younger one saying they never had it so good to be able to carry out their work with no one fighting them. That’s where we are demons never had it so good as people embrace the demonic and call it being human. Defend every type of compulsion and call it free will and rights not realizing a evil entity lives through them and they don’t even know it. Its called a demonic stronghold and it’s the ultimate in politically incorrectness to speak of it, even in most churches. Yet Yahshua said “these signs shall follow them that believe in my name they shall cast out demons…” Mark 16. That means there are demons.
Here is a good paper on the true agenda of the homosexual movement and its history, references quoted from homosexual sources.
Report Post »http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/08a/born_gay_hoax/TheBornG
YAHSHUARULES
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 2:02amlast post cut off the link so here it is:
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/08a/born_gay_hoax/TheBornGayHoax.pdf
And for something different:
Report Post »IF I WERE THE DEVIL…http://youtu.be/LJc8Mzg0C-c
YAHSHUARULES
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 2:06amlink got cut off on previous post:
Report Post »http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/08a/born_gay_hoax/TheBornGayHoax.pdf
And for something different:
IF I WERE THE DEVIL…http://youtu.be/LJc8Mzg0C-c
Directoratasmallbusiness
Posted on March 29, 2012 at 4:33pmI am sorry, but you have not understood the Bible. Now days, they have Bibles that are an easier read, FYI.
Report Post »tmarends
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 1:10pmAbomination means “culturally impure”… it does NOT mean “sin”.
According to Genesis 43:32 it was an abomination to the Egyptian people to eat a meal with the lowly Hebrew slaves. Now there is nothing, in and of itself, wrong with sharing a meal with somone of a different culture… but to the Egyptians it was an abomination to do so.
Another thing to consider: We, as Gentile believers, are not held to the Hebrew law. Paul made that perfectly clear in many of his letters. This is why we, as Gentile believers, can enjoy a bacon cheeseburger today. Bacon, being pork, is an abomination to the Hebrews… and their dietary code restricts mixing dairy (cheese) and meat products. However, I am not Hebrew, so pork is not an abomination to me. Maybe you are Hebrew… and these things are abominations to you… but they aren’t to ALL Christians, because most Christians are Gentiles.
Report Post »MammalOne
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 7:39pmThe only way to cure homosexuality is blood letting and trepanning. It’s really a combination of imbalanced humors and demonic possession.
Report Post »Dave.the.Blaze
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 7:55pmDon’t forget that the patient himself must go on a 6 week “pray away the gay” regimen afterward. It won’t work otherwise.
Report Post »Dave.the.Blaze
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 7:30pmI wonder why certain people have such a strong reaction to male homosexuality but not so much so for lesbianism.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 7:39pmMost men… see Two Men together as a Perversion… and Two Women as Two potential Mates!
Report Post »alphaartist
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 3:23ammaybe they were mollested and raped by a homosexual man, as my brother and i were. my brother has yet to forgive the man who did this; but by the grace of Yahoshua Ha Mashiach i can now say that i have forgiven him :) ! i know i’ve forgiven him b/c i now pray for his benefit (spelled salvation) most, if not all, of my loved ones and friends who have practiced homosexuality will admit they are simply repeating the act that befell them as an innocent child. shalom!
Report Post »crusaderx9
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 7:29pmWhat is this, Jerry Springer?
I’m conservative but this topic is more humor than substance. Who knows what type of thoughts were rolling through Pat Robertson’s mind when he was procreating… not that I care but these “wide-stance” conservatives seem odd. If you have gone through High School you know that some of your fellow students were never going to love an opposite sex partner, NEVER. Get over it, some people are gay and forcing them into a different reality isn’t a reality at all.
Move on, this isn’t worth the time. Hmmm, I just lost 2 minutes of my life…
Report Post »debig
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 11:33pmCrusaderx9, “move on” ? “It‘s not worth the time’? Seriously, then why are you even responding? Go back to your Jerry Springer show.
Report Post »crusaderx9
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 10:34amDEBIG,
Seriously, you need to move on from worrying about Praying the Gay away mentality. If you oppose homosexuality, fine, but invoking demonic possession and other nut job explanations is just plain ignorant and wrong.
Report Post »PrayNC
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 7:24pmAtheism is rather in the life than in the heart of man.
Report Post »poorrichard09
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 7:28pmThree senile old f@rts I don’t want to hear from anymore:
Report Post »Pat Robertson
John McCain
Jimma Carter
Thank you.
zoro51
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 7:23pmubber ******.. the man has said stuff that was wacked n alot of stupidity. tell me was the excorcist based on demon posession or the kid wanting to suck ****???? being GAY isnt demon posession its clear hes got ALZTHIMERS DE$MENTIA n needs to be put in a home.. being GAy he n falwell have stood made stupid remarks like it was the fault of the gays that caused 911.. AS IF… now more crap form a so called christian.. LOVE THY NEIGHBOR yet he sits in judgement.. HMMMM time to UN support biggots no wonder many have left the chrush or wont bother since they closwed the doors to MY kind… cant wait till this old fart is off this planet…
Report Post »gramma b
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 7:28pmI really wonder about people who haunt websites they don’t agree with, just to annoy people. What kind of dysfunction is that? Maybe it’s demonic.
Report Post »Aerocog
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 7:22pmDemonic poisson is a little far-fetch but it is definitely a sin.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 7:42pmI could see… it as being a condition of Soul-less-ness… but not Demonic!
Report Post »Directoratasmallbusiness
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 8:22pm@ AEROCEG
Report Post »Wrong! Read my posts for this and maybe you will understand.
Patriot Z
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 7:20pmCorrection from Pat Robertson:
“demons do not explaing homosexuality was a mistatement. I ment to say “GAY DEMONS EXPLAIN THE TWILIGHT SERIES”. Please forgive my error…thank you …PAT”
Report Post »gramma b
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 7:26pmThat’s funny. I conned my husband into seeing one of the Twilight movies. He walked out saying rather loudly, “That’s the gayest movie I have ever seen,” to the horror of all the teenyboppers wearing their Team Edward and Team Jacob t-shirts.
Report Post »burnbabylon
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 1:38amThe way I heard it was that Buffy The Vampire Slayer had Vampires. Twilight just has fairies that suck.
Report Post »Daveed
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 7:08pmGOD created Adam and Eve. Male and Female.They were to have dominion over the earth.Everything he created was good.Then transgression of the LAW and casting out of Eden. I guess it depends on your picture of GOD. HE called men laying with men, women with men, an abomination and un-natural. He destroyed Sodom and Gohmorra.Rather like the Wiemar Republic. GOD can not lie, he is absolute TRUTH. HE could not create something and then call it an abomination. People are not born being homosexual. GOD loves us, HE wants us to be reconciled to HIM. We have all committed sin and fallen short. Man tries to change himself from the outside in, GOD changes us from the inside out. If you stop the act of homosexuality, it does not mean you will go to Heaven. There is only 1 way into Heaven. That is the Good News. Through Christ, who bore our sins on himself, paid our sin debt while we were yet sinners, fulfilled GOD’s LAW here on earth, the Living SON of the Living GOD, the perfect plan, it defeated death, Satan and will put to rest all the lies that Satan has told since the beginning for once and for all. He did this for everyone. This Redemption comes when you do not reject him,with a contrite spirit, repentence, and asking Christ to come into your life. No more seperation from GOD the FATHER, but eternity with the FATHER in a place that is perfect, as it was always meant to be, before the fall of man. It is not a battle of flesh and blood but spiritual darkness in high places.
Report Post »Hova
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 7:18pmNO matter how MANY words you CAPATILIZE, the ONLY THING that makes people correct or NOT is the amount of evidence backing UP their claims. PROVE to ME that Adam and EVE existed without using THE Bible, then WE’LL talK.
Report Post »momprayn
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 7:32pmHOVA – No, you prove the Bible true without reasonable doubt first. Simple. And yes, it can — when you seek truth with a sincere heart and really want to know, you’ll find it.
http://www.allabouttruth.org
http://www.creationevidence.org
http://www.answersingenesis.org
http://www.christiananswers.net
http://www.dancingfromgenesis.wordpress.com
Book: “Scientists Who Believe”
Report Post »bradntn
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 7:36pmHey, Hova,
Report Post »Prove to me that Adam and Eve did NOT live without sin and then we can talk.
Hova
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 7:51pmYou made the assertion. I’ve spent my entire life observing my world. Then you pop up and say, “The first human beings were Adam and Eve!” I’ve never seen anything that could have led up to this conclusion, so I ask you for what you’ve found to convince you of this. Then you blame me for not having this information already and berate me for not automatically accepting what you say as true. That’s not how people find out right answers.
The default position is always one of something not existing. For example, I have a unicorn in my pocket. Do you believe me? If not, prove that I don’t. If you can‘t prove that I don’t, the only possible explanation is that what I said was accurate, right?
Report Post »Hova
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 8:04pmMomPrayn, those are hack websites. Read an actual book, like “The Blind Watchmaker” or “Webster’s Dictionary”.
Report Post »Directoratasmallbusiness
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 8:05pmThe guy in the video is still gay or bi. All I can say for Mr. Pat is I will keep him in my prayers. People are born gay or bi! Homosexual love is not a sin.
Report Post »There are prohibitions against wearing clothes made of two different materials and against shaving when you are speaking of the old covenant that God gave to Moses which would be a sin if still under the old covenant, but Jesus taught the new covenant and NOT ONE TIME mentions the word homosexual. Whenever the story of the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah is referred to in the Bible, the sin of homosexuality is never mentioned. When Ezekiel or Isaiah or Jesus mention the sin of Sodom, they allude to the sin of pride, idleness, neglect of the poor; Jesus referred to the sin of inhospitality.
Let me paraphrase something for you who DO NOT KNOW WHAT you are talking about or are just prejudice.
Acts 8: 37 -39 Philip explained to him that the person Isaiah was talking about was Jesus Christ, and this good news moved him to the core. They come up on some water. Now, remember, this is in the desert. There is no water in the desert. Luke, who wrote this, felt this was a “God-thing.” And the eunuch asked Philip “What is to prevent me from being baptized?” It’s an interesting way to phrase the question, but yes, there was something. The law. The fact that he was sexually unfit. But Philip was shaped more by the Spirit than by the law; more by the love of Jesus Christ than the legalism of Moses. And Philip baptized
P8riot
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 8:08pm@HOVA –
You make a great point that your questions should be answered rationally and with civility. If I could interject into this conversation – I think the missing element to this discussion is that of faith. It all comes down to faith. If you do not have faith in the words of the scriptures then you will not believe them. If I do not have faith in the words of scientists who say that global warming is man made as opposed to cyclical, then I will not believe them. Now the next level of this discussion would lead to the question of how faith in anything or anyone is developed. Its developed through experiences.
I for example, have prayed to know if the scriptures are true – and have had good experiences as a result of those prayers. I have also had experiences in my life from following the counsel of the Bible that has eternally benefited me. I thus have come to accept and believe these words to be true through my experiences (these, of course are just a few examples).
Thus, regardless of the “proof” presented, we must first have faith in the source to believe it (that’s why some go to the blaze for news and others go to the huffington post for news).
Indeed, faith is the defining factor of this discussion. Therefore, I tell you I believe the Bible to be true by faith. I tell you I believe that God loves each of us by faith.
I’ve never seen the wind, but I sure love the way it feels.
Thanks for your challenging thoughts!
Report Post »Hova
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 8:12pmThanks, P8triot, but our atmosphere is not intangible, so your analogy fails.
Report Post »P8riot
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 8:25pm@HOVA – Yes, I agree that our atmosphere is not intangible; but I’m sure you get the point I was making. However, the one sentence alluded to does not represent my theme. Do you not agree that faith in the source is the key to this discussion? If so, we can simply agree that I have faith in the words of the Bible and you do not. At that point we could share the experiences that shaped our faith in that which we believed. Finally, we would each determine for ourselves what we each believe.
If we still disagree, then we simply agree to disagree and continue to be friends.
Report Post »P8riot
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 8:54pm@DIRECTORATASMALLBUSINESS – I’m sorry, I don’t want to “bible bash” but I can’t help but challenge you on your interpretation of Acts 8:36-39. First, I think we need to give to use the actual text:
36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.
I truly don’t understand where you came up with the restricting factor of baptism being the “law.” This scripture teaches that the qualifying factor for baptism is believing with all one’s heart that Jesus Christ is the son of God. Thus, to believe that Christ is the Son of God is to accept Him as our Savior, thereby allowing us to repent of our sins.
Therefore, the eunuch repented of his sins (meaning he was sorry and will do them no more) and was thereafter baptized in water (which by the way, there is water in the desert – that’s how the animals survive there:)
I would suggest you read the entire verse again and pray about your entire stance on believing homosexuality is acceptable
Report Post »P8riot
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 7:08pmI completely agree that homosexual acts are a sin… but to blame it on “demonic possession” rather than this guy’s agency is wrong. Everyone is tempted with different things, to blame our sins on demonic possession is to try to escape the responsibility associated with such acts. We all make our own choices in life and we have to accept the consequences of such.
Report Post »Directoratasmallbusiness
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 5:36pm@ P8RIOT
Report Post »I have read several different versions of the Bible. I suggest that you do too and maybe you will change your opinion. NIV Bible
Acts 8: 36- 40 36 As they traveled along the road, they came to some water and the eunuch said, “Look, here is water. What can stand in the way of my being baptized?” [37] [c] 38 And he gave orders to stop the chariot. Then both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water and Philip baptized him. 39 When they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord suddenly took Philip away, and the eunuch did not see him again, but went on his way rejoicing. 40 Philip, however, appeared at Azotus and traveled about, preaching the gospel in all the towns until he reached Caesarea.
Mathew 19: 11-12
11 Jesus replied, “Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. 12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”
robert
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 7:01pm“Pat Robertson Says a Man‘s Struggle With Homosexual ’Obsession‘ May Be ’Related to Demonic Possession’
I’m not religious, but that’s probably a pretty close estimate of what might be wrong with these people. Certainly, they’re steeped in evil, which can be said regardless of whether the conclusions comes from a believer or not.
But, in the final analysis, people don’t object to in-your-face homosexual activism, because of their religion. Nature implanted in each of us deep revulsion for anything that is in opposition to the natural order of things, so people are really just following their natural instincts.
It is the liberal desire to over ride everything natural that causes so much societal upheaval anymore, if it is contrary to what they naively want to believe.
Report Post »LizzyT86
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 6:56pmAccording to a report in the Daily Rash, after giving a speech to supporters in the parking lot of a Chicago area Walmart, Rick Santorum performed an exorcism on a possessed woman in the back of a van. Maybe she was struggling with homosexual obsession? http://www.thedailyrash.com/rick-santorum-performs-exorcism-in-walmart-parking-lot
Report Post »shortnsweet
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 6:48pmThe Bible defines adultry as engaging in sex outside of marriage. The Biblical definition of marriage is between a man and a woman. Heterosexual sex between consenting adults outside of marriage
Report Post »is adultry, as are homosexual encounters. Both are sins God will forgive if you seek forgiveness.
Pedophiles, rapests, or anyone who preys on the vulnerable can do there repenting in jail.
Hova
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 6:55pmWhy is a mutually consenting homosexual relationship in any way similar to non-consensual relationships like rape, pedophilia, and bestiality?
Report Post »gramma b
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 7:24pmBecause, Hova, sexual attraction and sexual intercourse have an obvious biological purpose. Deviant sexual urges — like the urge to have intercourse (or imitate it, because that’s all that homosexuals can do) with animals, or with children, or with people of the same sex — are objectively dysfunctional. I agree with you about rape, though. That is not in the same category. Bad. But not in the same category of deviance. In that case, it is not the sexual act or attraction which is deviant, it is the non-consensual nature of the activity which society rejects.
Report Post »momprayn
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 7:27pmHOVA – Being “consensual” or not does not determine whether it is a sin or not. In adultery with heteros, they are consensual but sinning. In homosexuality, same. The others are just sin period.
Report Post »Vardaman
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 9:03pmThat’s true Hova, you can’t determine whether or not something is a sin without consulting an archaic book of superstitions that should have no place in government whatsoever
Report Post »riseandshine
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 6:45pmI don’t know why this is a story. I don’t think the viewers of the 700 club see this as controversial.
Report Post »Dave.the.Blaze
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 6:50pmThat’s a good point. For whatever reason, there is a tiny place in my heart for old Pat. He surfaces with these gems a couple of times a year. If nothing else, he’s entertaining.
Report Post »bdandsl
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 6:38pmI, concur. Satan is alive and doing very well all over the world.
Report Post »NewLife56
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 7:28pmFully agree. I don’t see where this statement from Pat is so wrong, it’s Bibical and it speaks of demons being cast out of many people.
Report Post »purplearrow9
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 6:38pmI wonder how many folks would rather have their children born with the myriad of other birth defects, down syndrome, or those where children are never able to care for them selves??? This birth defect due to a physical/chemical gene imbalance is quite possibly more emotionally hurtful to those so disposed to live with this problem. I believe there are some that otherwise choose to live like this and one can usually pick them out by how loud they holler… You know, not sure of THEIR sexuality…. And oh Yes, I think our so called currently serving political “Dictators” are to be feared more than any gay I know of…. Wonder how the very young children (2 – 8) that have traits that suggest they may be more male or female than what they were born, where or who taught them this dastardly thing??? Could it be a tangled gene here or there??? could it? Pat should think this through. Not everyone is born perfect, maybe no one is born perfect…. Well maybe our President :-)))
Report Post »TRONRADIO
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 6:34pmSin is sin. We have an advocate in Christ; if we have Christ. Sin not forgiven by the Saviour, will send someone to Hell whether it’s theft, adultery, homosexuality, murder, etc. God made it simple; I am simple and I understand it. Do you, Pat?
Pat needs to retire, please!
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 6:37pmGood post.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 6:45pmRight on Tron
Report Post »burnteye86
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 6:55pmI heard Pat say it was sin and it was wrong. Why do you say Pat needs to retire. He said the same thing you said. Did you hear him say something different?
Report Post »TRONRADIO
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 7:09pm@BURNT
First, Pat has made a good share of unnecessary statements as of late and they don’t edify, in my opinion. Next, to assign the word ‘demonic’ to one certain sin can easily confuse and create controversy that need not be. Of course sin can be attributed to ‘demonic’ roots; and sin is also what Christians commit even after being saved–Christians cannot be indwelt by demonic spirits but they can and will sin. Once again Pat could boil it all down to a simpler explanation. And he should retire.
Report Post »burnteye86
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 4:17amThanks for your explanation and not getting sarcastic with your answer as so many others do on here.
Report Post »TRUMPETCALL
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 6:32pmPat is a BUFFOON. He clearly does NOT have his theology, let alone a solidly Biblically-based hermaneutic in place!
He is one big reason why unbelievers look at Believers as nonsensical and foolish.
He ahouldn’t be allowed to speak for the Christian community any more than Sharpton should be allowed to speak for the Black community.
A gross misinterpretation of Scripture, to say the least.
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 6:23pmWE all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. That is why we need Christ. We do not need Bozos like Pat chasing away the people who need Him. If wierd was a sin, Pat would be at the top of the list.
Sin is sin. The ONLY one that keeps yu out of heaven is the rejection of Christ.
Report Post »FaithfulFriend
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 6:40pmSo Christ Jesus was crucified on the cross and died for your sins so you could keep sinning and sinning, but you believe in Him?
Which of the Ten Commandments can’t you seem to deal with? Or are you one of those who believes there are thousands and thousands of sins? Perhaps what you think is sin, is not sin but just part of our imperfect humanity in a fallen world. But if you believe something is sin, which is not sin, then perhaps satan has fooled you into living a life defeated instead of the victory you have but fail to recognize. Maybe it’s time to live as one who has overcome sin, yet still remain imperfect in this life. Always moving towards perfection and God’s perfect will.
Report Post »oneshiner
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 6:46pmALL fall short of the Glory of God.
Report Post »Hova
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 6:48pmThank goodness I don’t reject him then. I just don’t believe he ever existed.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 6:50pmfaithfulfriend,
I can sense you are a true believer, but your theology is out of whack. I suggest you go straight to Scripture and forget whatever your church is teaching you.
We are all sinners and even believers continue to sin…Though hopefully they are convicted to try not to. But we all fail in the end. The sin has nothing to do with your salvation, Christ took care of that for you. That does not give you free reign to sin, if you did that you would not be Spirit led. But the sins you WILL commit in the future are already forgiven.
Report Post »P8riot
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 7:50pm@TROLLTRAINER – Please show me in the scriptures where is says that future sins are ALREADY forgiven. If you read the scriptures carefully, you will see that we must obey the Lords commandments if we want to qualify for His grace. Even after we repent of our past sins and are forgiven of them, we must go and sin no more. John 8:11.
If and when we sin again, we must repent again. It is just like our own children – they can’t say sorry for hitting their brother and after we forgive them – go and hit him again and think he’s already been forgiven for that act because we forgave them for doing it before.
I only mention this because you need to fully understand that as we make mistakes, we simply need to approach our Father in Heaven to ask for His forgiveness. In order to enter the Kingdom of Heaven, we must not only believe in Jesus Christ, but we must ALSO do the will of the Father in order to qualify for the grace of Christ.
Matthew 7:21
“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.”
Good luck brother!
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 8:22pmp8riot,
I believe in eternal security. I could get into a long, drawn out argument over this, but what is the point? I think we both know the argument. You are ultimately correct when you state that we must repent and seek forgiveness for the sins we commit. I do not disagree. Where we would disagree is I feel a Spirit led Christian naturally does this. If you did not then you would not be a saved Christian.
Jesus died once for ALL sin. This means any sin you will yet commit is already forgiven, you just have to repent and seek that forgiveness. The Ten Commandments is a mirror to show us our sin. There is no way anyone, even a saved Christian, could ever hope to fully obey them. Jesus drives that point home in the Sermon on the Mount when he states that even thinking bad thoughts is breaking the Law.
Report Post »P8riot
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 8:40pm@trolltrainer –
I think we agree on the most important point that Christ is our Savior… but I simply am giving you the same challenge you presented earlier in this thread of: “I suggest you go straight to Scripture and forget whatever your church is teaching you.”
I agree that we probably won‘t change the other person’s mind, but I’ve heard this idea of “once saved always saved” and am curious where people are getting this idea from. Can you please help me figure that out?
Report Post »P8riot
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 8:41pm@trolltrainer –
I apologize, I just read my post and its not entirely clear. I understand the logic train you used – but what scriptures back up what you have stated?
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 8:58pmMostly the common sense understanding that God does not make mistakes. If He sends the Holy Spirit to you to unblind you, and if the Holy Spirit then indwells you at the time of your salvation, why would you think He would leave you? You were born again, can you be unborn? You were changed at your conversion, you are now part of the Body of Christ. You cannot leave.
But it is a moot argument anyway! There is a joke about a Calvinist and an Arminian talking about eternal security. (I am neither BTW, I am a Baptist…) The Arminian says to the Calvinist, “Boy, you sure are lucky. You can do whatever you want without any penalty. You can drink, whore, cheat…Whatever! And you think you get away with this?” The Calvinist replies, “yeah, how many times have YOU been saved this month?” It is a moot point. A saved Christian is not going to go out and willfully start sinning. No matter ones belief here. He will sin, and will repent of that sin. In the end the doctrine is meaningless because no matter your belief you are saved by faith in Jesus Christ. If you can walk away from Jesus then you never knew Him in the first place. Really, it all boils down to that fact. Belief in eternal security no more allows a believer the freedom to sin than worry about losing your salvation keeps a Christian from not sinning.
Report Post »bornagaincowgirl
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 6:23pmIt certainly is demonic. He is to be applauded for speaking the truth. This country has fallen so far down the tubes it has no moral compass, no plumb line. People have heard the lie about homosexuality so long that its now acceptable.
Report Post »Dave.the.Blaze
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 6:30pmPat speaking for the Creator is a bit demonic in my opinion. He’s better be prepared to justify things when he stands before St. Peter.
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 6:36pmWhy don’t the Jews ever get possessed by the devil? Jeez, even the Devil hates us! damn.
Report Post »Dave.the.Blaze
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 6:42pmCesium, according to a lot of our fellow Americans, the Devil is currently too busy with the Muslims. He’ll probably get to you eventually — hold out hope!
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 7:21pmwell that would be brand new for us.. Usually we take responsibility for any of our own issues but this would mean we’ll need a crash course in exorcism!
Report Post »bornagaincowgirl
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 7:56pmThere are plenty of examples of Jews being possessed in the Bible, and Christ delivered every one of them. I have had my own battles with the forces of evil, demons, in my own life. Christ delivered me from them. Anyone who wants to be free from homosexuality, or any sin, can find freedom, peace, and (what everyone is looking for) Unfailing Love. Truth from an “enemy” is better than lies from “friends.”
Report Post »Dave.the.Blaze
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 6:15pmThis is the same man who blamed the people in Haiti for the earthquake and the people of New Orleans for Katrina. He also advocating nuking the State Department building. If he were attempting to generate buzz with crazy statements I’d get it, but he’s a true believer.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 6:24pmAnd wishing Manning to be injured cause the Broncos traded Tebow.
Report Post »Dave.the.Blaze
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 6:38pmIf he can actually predict or make these things happen, he could make a lot of $$$ betting on NFL games in Vegas. Maybe he’s crazy….like a fox.
Report Post »Polarized America
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 6:46pmEnjoy………………..
http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/bl-pat-robertson-quotes.htm
Report Post »BlackCrow
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 6:09pmIt’s either whacked out loony birds like this or social justice lefties that have driven a lot of people including myself away from religion.
Report Post »qpwillie
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 6:20pmWell, that’s pretty foolish. Your religious beliefs shouldn’t depend on what somebody else believes.
Report Post »TSUNAMI-22
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 6:36pmBelieving in God has little to do with religion. By religion, I mean the “form of practice”. I believe in God, but refuse to go to church because church seems like a worship of group narcissism more than a place of worship of a higher power.
If I wanted to feel good about myself, I’d go see a shrink. I don’t believe in God to feel good about myself. I believe in God because the path to redemption is only found through him.
Report Post »MyzPhoenyx
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 8:27pmPlease don’t let the few, tarnish all of us. And even if it turns you from man run religious institutions, I hope that it doesn’t affect your spiritual growth. We put too much stock into men that are supposed to teach us and be living examples of the Teacher’s words. Instead, too many have yet to realize that, while we’re supposed to keep ourselves from sin, we’re not judge and jury of the rest of the world. Nor do I want that stress and heartache. I, in no way, envy the Judge in this task. I do not believe that stating what you believe is hateful, however. It is merely a statement of personal belief. It offends Pat ( and I’m not one that stands up for him regularly, BTW. I boggle at him sometimes, wondering just how it is that he says some of the things that he does, but still has a rabid following ) that a man would lay with another man, or a woman with another woman. It offends gays that people could believe that. But we don‘t have the right to not be offended by someone else’s speech. We do have the right to change the channel and not listen. Too many fallible men are put up on pedestals and worshiped, when they should be seen merely teachers of the Word. Men are not perfect, and it is wrong to expect them to be, seeing as how we’re all imperfect at times. Our faith is too easily tied to those in leadership positions within the religious world. So when they fall, they take a lot with them.
Report Post »The_Almighty_Creestof
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 6:04pmI don’t agree with Pat, but I do put homosexuality in the same ball park with pedo’s, rapists, chronic adulterers, men who father children and then run out on them and so on.
They know what the right thing to do is…they just don’t have the moral fortitude to do it.
Report Post »Vardaman
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 6:17pmThat makes you pretty stupid, for the record
Report Post »Stupid Windmill
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 6:20pm@Specifically_Mighty_Creast
I wish I could live in a fantasy land like you where right and wrong is utterly defined and people can just do the right thing.
But I alas I have to deal with inconvenient things like people having sexual attraction to children, people who derive pleasure from being controlling, people who are sexually active, and general irresponsibility.
Report Post »Dave.the.Blaze
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 6:28pmWhat 2 adult men or 2 adult women do together in privacy is no one’s business. Remember, this is America not Saudi Arabia.
Report Post »The_Almighty_Creestof
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 6:36pm@ Dave.the.Blaze
I agree. My point was not to condemn or judge…or compare the severity of the acts to one another. But only to point out (and compare) the compulsion driving them to do what is wrong according to nature, a civilized society’s moral laws & their own conscience.
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 6:39pmYea. T_A_C ‘s comments actually amaze me, and I’m a right leaning moderate. It’s like he has a virus of pure hate in his brain.. amazing.
Report Post »TSUNAMI-22
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 6:40pm@ Stupid Windmill
I wish I could live in a fantasy land like you where right and wrong is utterly defined and people can just do the right thing.
But I alas I have to deal with inconvenient things like people having sexual attraction to children, people who derive pleasure from being controlling, people who are sexually active, and general irresponsibility.
Report Post »~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
That sounds like a cop-out. Closing your eyes and plugging your ears isn’t “dealing” with anything, and is the epitome of irresponsibility.
Stupid Windmill
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 6:42pm@Almighty_Lord_Cheestof
A Human would sooner commit a million murders than to abide by any vague concepts like moral law and conscience.
Report Post »Vardaman
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 6:50pm“My point was not to condemn or judge…or compare the severity of the acts to one another.”
You realize that that’s literally exactly what you did, right?
And given that “nature” isn‘t a sentient being I don’t think it really cares what goes on between two consenting adults.
Report Post »Hova
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 6:53pmOkay, apparently only Christians should be allowed to make rules for everybody, since we’re too dumb to think for ourselves without them. Makes perfect sense.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 7:09pmHova,
If you are not a believer then you do not need to follow ANY rules! In fact, you are a fool to not rape, plunder and pillage your way through life. Not only a fool, but inconsistent with your lack of a belief in a higher power. What stops you? Fear of jail? Death? Not be brother, if I knew there was no God and when I died I was simply worm food then I would take anything I wanted. Survival of the fittest partner, take before it is taken.
No, Christians do not make the rules.
God does, and He even holds power over those who claim lack of belief in Him. Awesome, aint He?
Report Post »Vardaman
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 7:17pmTrolltrainer has a point; did you know that until Christ blessed us with his presence on Earth about 10,000 years after the Neolithic Revolution, there were no morals or laws or societies?
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 7:35pmVardaman, turn it around! I never made the claim that there are no morals, ethics, values, or civilization without God. Certainly atheists can be morally upright folks…Heck, many are better people than most Christians!
The question is why!
Report Post »Hova
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 7:40pm@TrollTrainer
What? So, if I were to murder someone, no one would be affected? That’s the only universe your logic could work in, one where no one knows each other and all crimes are null because no one cares. What stops me from killing, you ask? Well, knowledge of the fact that no man is an island and whoever I harm is connected with someone I have yet to silence. “Well, that’s a very impersonal view,” you may argue. My response would be, “Any more impersonal than, ‘Because I’ll be rewarded if I don’t and punished if I do?’” Because that’s what you just argued. Tell me, how moral is the person who doesn’t kill because that would void a contract between him and his imaginary friend that gives him immortality and endless bliss? You see, I have something called “compassion”. I understand that if I kill or harm someone, I’m removing something of value from the world. Do you not have that? Wait, why am I asking this? You just admitted that the only thing stopping you from killing others is the chance to win a prize! Of course you don’t have it.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 8:02pmYou don’t get it Hova! I get no reward for not sinning! As a believer I could commit murder and it would not effect ,my salvation. You are talking apples and oranges here. I am saved because I accept the pardon Jesus freely gives me. Nothing I can do, or not do, will save me.
You can stand on moral ground all you like, but the fact still remains that those morals need to come from somewhere. So what if anyone is affected by your murdering someone? Who cares? What value does that have for you? No man is an island…Why not? Ultimately, why care about anyone else except yourself? To do so goes against Darwin.
I do not kill for the same reason I do not engage in sex with another man, or lie, cheat or steal. Because doing so is wrong. It is wrong because a higher power declares it to be wrong. If there is no higher power then who is to say what is right or wrong? You already have this problem as you do see certain sinful things as not being wrong. You pick and choose which morals you follow. Why was Hitler wrong? He picked and chose his morals, he thought he was merely cleansing his country from subhuman trash. What makes that wrong? Consensus of opinion? Why is premarital sex okay for some people?
You can try to steer the argument down any number of roads, but the fact remains the morals and values you live by have to come from somewhere meaningful. You know in your heart certain things are wrong.
Report Post »Hova
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 8:27pmUgh. Morals and values come from society. If I kill someone, the police will investigate it and, according to how heinous my crime is, the public will get involved and judge me. If I’m found guilty of the crime, I got to prison. If I’m found not guilty, I’m released back into the public where those who have judged me still exist and are bound to limit my livelihood when they meet me. You see? No God needed! Where does your morals come from? God? Well, where does his morals come from? If you can argue that his morality is just a product of him, why can’t I argue that morality is a product of society? Also, where did Darwin get involved? You do know that the phrase “survival of the fittest” was not created by him right? Also, that phrase implies artificial selection, not natural. Boy, you are getting a lot of things wrong today.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 8:37pmSo if society gets together and makes the decision that killing anyone over the age of 92 is acceptable because they are a drain on society then you will be okay with that?
I mean, if the Supreme Court says it is okay…right?
This is why we think nothing of killing unborn babies. What next? Jews?
Again, I know you want to fight me or prove me wrong…Whatever…Just think this through. Consensus of opinion does not make something right or wrong, and you know it!
Report Post »Hova
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 9:42pmAnybody has the potential to become a doctor or a scientist. You know, people who sustain life and make it easier for others. What if you kill someone who was going to become the doctor who discovered a vaccine for HIV? Whoops, I guess I shouldn’t kill then, right? That’s what keeps us moral, knowing that acts of immorality can have negative and far-reaching effects on society. You don’t have to concede anything; the facts are there.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 9:56pmHova
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 9:42pm
Anybody has the potential to become a doctor or a scientist. You know, people who sustain life and make it easier for others. What if you kill someone who was going to become the doctor who discovered a vaccine for HIV? Whoops, I guess I shouldn’t kill then, right?
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So you are pro-life! Awesome! And thank you for proving my point. The Supreme Court says it is moral to kill an unborn “fetus.” A baby that had the potential to find the cure for HIV. So this is definite proof that society cannot dictate what is moral or ethical. These values MUST come from a higher power.
I knew you would get it if I explained slowly enough. You actually impress me that you grasped this as fast as you have.
Report Post »Hova
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 10:34pmOkay, I’m going to be blunt. You are a disingenuous @$$hole. You know full well what I meant, yet you decided to twist my words into something I never intended on them to mean. First, abortion is a very complex issue. Too complex for my previous statement and too complex for me to even begin to discuss it with you at this stage of this trainwreck of a conversation. Secondly, when did I suggest I was pro-choice? Did you just guess? Is that how you go through conversations, picking from a list of attributes and stereotyping them to people who disagree with you? Thirdly, do you honestly think that an unprepared mother of a child, who was the product of her father raping her, will end up caring about whether or not her child will be a doctor? No, she‘ll fret over whether or not the child will even grow up with any normalcy due to the child’s genetic defects and whether the child is in mind-blowing pain or just mild pain. Why was she forced to bring something into this world that can only experience torment and ridicule? Why would anybody want to be in that child’s shoes? Why does that child even want to live? Finally, I have to apologize for misleading you with my simplified rhetoric earlier. Wait, no I don’t. If you can‘t raise yourself above putting words into people’s mouths, why is it anyone other than you who is at fault for being that manipulative?
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 10:44pmHeh! So I guess I was wrong…
You still don’t get it.
That’s okay though, you just keep on with your inconsistent belief system. That is the funniest part about atheists, they think they are so brilliant but they have not even began to think things through. Some eventually figure it out, most do not. But the Bible says this is how it will be.
Report Post »Directoratasmallbusiness
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 6:20pm@ Almighty
Report Post »Wow!!! You need help and prayers.