Paul Ryan Makes Pitch to Ron Paul supporters: ‘We See Eye to Eye on a lot of Issues’
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Presumptive vice presidential candidate U.S. Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI). Credit: Getty Images
Texas Congressman and former presidential candidate Ron Paul has refused to endorse presidential nominee Mitt Romney, saying it “would undo everything” he has done in the last three decades. However, Romney‘s running mate Paul Ryan isn’t ready to take “no” for an answer.
In an interview that will air Monday on Fox News, Ryan told Bret Baier that Ron Paul supporters should feel “comfortable” with the Republican ticket, adding that Obama is only offering a “cradle-to-grave welfare state.”
“We see eye to eye on a lot of issues. We believe in sound money. We believe in economic freedom. We believe in the founding principles,” Ryan said.
“We believe this is a watershed moment for America,” he added, “whether we are going to reclaim the American idea or a cradle-to-grave welfare state which is where I think the president is taking us. So, I think in the final analysis Ron, he and his supporters should be comfortable with us.”
Ryan also said he has known the Libertarian congressman for many years in Congress.
“Ron is a friend of mine,” Ryan said. He went on to explain that Americans have a clear choice “between the president’s failed leadership, the big government that he is offering, the borrowing that he is offering, the spending and regulating that he is offering which will give us a stagnant economy, a lost generation, not just a lost decade; and the Mitt Romney, Paul Ryan plan of reclaiming our founding principles, getting back to economic freedom and liberty and reviving this economy.”
Take a look at the preview of the interview via Mediaite and Fox News:
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Contrarian51
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:03pmMr. Paul, you’re a lot of fun every 4 years, but just like those other crazy uncles we all like to see every so often, a little goes a long, long way, and I, for one, am ready for a break now.
Report Post »Sirfoldallot
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 7:12pmSo u want him 2 go back 2 his fenced cave ?
Report Post »jadams1214
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 8:08pm@JUSTTHEFACTS so now you have educated us on how ron paul votes to spend money now its time to talk about how paul ryan votes. i’ll be waiting for you to start the conversation. if you need help we’ll start with the bank bailouts and the auto bailouts and medicare prescription drug program and no child left behind etc. I’ll be waiting.
Report Post »dukielouie
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 8:26pmRon paul got thrown under the bus by the RINO’S. Look what is happening tommorrow with the republican rules committee. The grassroots will be shut out and the elite will control who the delegates will be. The primary in the states will no longer be grassroots. Read today’s story.
Report Post »http://michellemalkin.com/ Mark Levine is screaming about this tonight. Thanks to Mitt and Karl Rove. I am a 912/teaparty coordinator and will go to a third party.
Toltepeceno
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 8:28pmTJeff1 You sound exactly like I did when I voted for Perot, “this is the only way to make them change”. Well what exactly changed? Nothing except clinton getting 2 terms with less than half of the vote. Don’t kid yourself like I did, it will not make a bit of difference except getting someone worse elected. If that is your plan, then have at it.
Report Post »WAKEUPUSA2012
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 9:53pmI am a Ron Paul supporter. A lot of us feel that we can not compromise and vote for Mitt. BUT I FEEL that Obama ssssooo bad and the country is in such bad shape, that I will vote for Rommney. Im sure I will catch alot of flak from my fellow Paulbots, thats fine. I supported Paul since 08. I still think he is the ONLY antidote to the mess we are in, but I want my vote to count. So I will support Mitt and Ryan. I hate his foreign policy and I hate that he is a shill to the establishment and the bankers that have hijacked our country. I hate you idiot neocons who blindly worship the military industerial complex and call us Paul people anti military because we dont want our brothers and sisters to go off and die for the bankers. I hate all of you who despise Paul, I feel you are enemys to our founding principles. But I will vote for Mitt. Not becuase I care what you say, but becuase I can see what Obama has done. So when Mitt wins, and he continues the same policies of Bush and Obama and this country tanks, you wont dare say its becuase those crazy ron paul people lost us the election, no, it will be becuase you dissed the only person who MAYBE could have turned this whole thing around. Sure I trust Mitt more than Obama, that aint saying much.
Report Post »Libertarian
Posted on August 28, 2012 at 1:13amI want to believe you Paul Ryan but when you read stories like the one on Michelle Malkin’s website michellemalkin.com and Matt Kibbe’s coverage on what is happening on the floor of the Republican convention.
“This past Friday, the RNC’s Convention Rules Committee voted – after several contentous votes – to change the party’s rules to allow future presidential candidates to have veto power over who can be delegates from any state – in other words, take power away from the grassroots and their ability to elect fellow conservatives as delegates.”
“Let me stop here and say that this is NOT…REPEAT NOT a move by a bunch of disgruntled Ron Paul supporters. This is a group of long-time conservative activists, even “party regulars” and lots of Romney supporters, many who go back to the Goldwater days.”
The establishment wants the power.
If Romney has already won what is the point of this type of shenanigans?
Report Post »WeDontNeedNoSteenkinBadges12
Posted on August 28, 2012 at 1:54amA vote for Mitt “RomneyCare” Romney is a vote for Barack “ObamaCare” Obama.
Get it? Because those who don’t get it are doomed to get it.
It’s past time for a CLEAN BREAK from Progressives-communists 100 year plan to baby-step to socialism/communism (overthrow American and her Liberty). Last call … or it all comes tumbling down.
Report Post »Economist
Posted on August 28, 2012 at 12:13pmHere it is >>> There is no room for a non-fascist in either party!
What we are witnessing with disbelief and horror is the end cycle of all democratic republics. This is the stage where the citizens and the oligarchs have been given the keys to the currency printing presses. The political process has no been monetized and co-opted. It always will end where it began. We shall return to slavery, wandering through a greater depression while the bankers, the professors, the professional politicians cling to the remaining parts of the government apparatus. Then the good men who have kept their guns, who value liberty more than life will organize and revolt. Much blood. The country will return to local, maybe state government, and we will begin again with a new central government that will for a while be restrained. There will be a new burst of freedom, faith and prosperity as the cycle starts anew. In the digital, fiat age, this will happen sooner, not later, so we are wise to position ourselves to secure our families.
Mr. conservative himself, William F. Buckly Jr. always urged others to vote for the right-most electable candidate possible. The problem with that advise is you can do just that and still drift ever leftward and/or statist. Unfortionately this is what has been happening for about 100 years. Well I am here to say NO this time. Stand on PRINCIPLE, VOTE YOUR CONSCIENCE, DONT VOTE FOR ROMNEY.
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on August 28, 2012 at 3:59pmLets face it, the Bots want Obama to win to punish the neocons for not kneeling at the alter of Paul. Bots are as Un-American as the commie in office. It’s Paul or nothing and that is the definition of a cultist kook.
Report Post »Justthefactsmam
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:57pmFor you Paulbots out there, I have a couple of questions…
First, You all talk about the Constitution, and upholding it. In the Constitution, it affirms the concept of One Man(person), One vote. We just went through a primary, where the MAJORITY of the voters chose Mitt Romney (which I don’t agree with), now you want to wad up the Constitution and throw out the results of the primary voters. Is that what you’re saying Ron Paul stands for?
The second question is this. You cannot vote against your convictions like Ron Paul. Like Ron Paul voting against earmarks? Even though his district has been in the top 5 of districts receiving earmarks consistantly? How does that happen you ask? He puts earmarks into a bill that he knows will pass. Then he votes against it. He has voted against earmarks. But his district is always at the top of the trough. Please explain how this is ok, the hypocrisy that RP exhibits, is along the lines of the “angelic” attributes you attribute to him??
Without calling anyone else into the argurment (ie “that’s how (insert politian name) does it”
Report Post »Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:06pmNowhere that I have seen in the constitution does it state that there must be some two party construct of Republicans and Democrats. Maybe I’m missing that…I’ll look again. Furthermore, nobody is saying that the vote doesn’t count. We’re saying that the two party system sucks because it gives us two versions of anti-constitutional progressives every four years.
Report Post »TJeff1
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:07pmFirst question: I agree Romney won the primary, but that does not mean that I have to vote for him. I will vote third party. This is the only way the Republicans will change. Knowing they have to adopt a more current platorm that includes the libritarian principles.
Second question: I have no problem with the earmarks. Its not the earmarks that is the problem, its the spending. The earmarks just say “if its going to be spent, spend it here” That is consistant with the priciples he expoused. Of course he would rather not have the spending, but if its spent than he would at least designate where its going instead of the “general fund” otherwise.
Report Post »black9897
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:18pmNo. It just simply means people are very ignorant and the road back to freedom won’t come from within the system.
Let’s say this is true. If that’s the only thing you can bring up to bash RP about, then ..ok.
Report Post »Everything is so far gone now it’s very sad. RP is one of the very, very few left that is consistent and actually believes in following the constitution. It’s not about him, it’s about his message. RP or no RP it’s up to us to choose freedom. We need to start living free and stop asking for permission from anyone. We get too caught up in voting in a new master every 4 years we forget we can simply stop listening to the absurd things they are commanding us to follow. The only way we are getting back to true liberty is through non-violent non-cooperation.
WakingSheep
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:21pmI have a question for you.
How do we know Romney really won with all of the fraud that took place with the delegates?
You want me to support more of the same and the GOP wouldn’t even let my candidate speak unless censored. Ha!
Good luck putting your flip flopping progressive up against the POS Marxist.
I’ll stick with my Constitution and whoever proves they can follow it.
That’s if we still have a Constitution in 2016.
How could you ever vote for somebody that supports:
NDAA, the patriot act, the FED, BIG GOV, BIG WARS?
I’m only one vote. So call me a kook and pothead all you want.
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:34pmI suppose that you have no clue as to how the RNC stole the primary from Ron Paul..Did you happen to see how the rules kept changing to steal Romney the vote..The RNC broke the rules to change the rules..Just another slimy sleezeball..Romney and Obama are both New World Order Globalists Communist..they support the trashing of the Constitution..and please don’t tell me that Romney is a Constitutionalists. Listen to what he says and then look at what he has done..He is supported by the same banksters.. He has supported NDAA the Patriot Act and he banned the assault rifle in Mass..He designed Obamacare..supported Global Warming and as I understand..attends the NWO communist Bilderberg meetings.. What’s the point?
Report Post »Justthefactsmam
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:34pm@Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve I agree, the 2-party sucks, but the reality is that, in today’s election cycle, you have to play within the system. As I have seen on here, and elsewhere, RP supporters are saying it’s not over until the convention. If that is the case, how can you say anything else?
@TJeff1 Do you think a third party has any chance? Can you not see that a 3rd party vote is not a vote for President Obama? Do you really think America will survive a President Obama 2nd term? There will not be a “free” vote for a 3rd “President” Obama term. As far your comment about the earmarks, as follows: “The earmarks just say “if its going to be spent, spend it here” They shouldn’t be spent ever. Do you believe that if they are “not going to spend the money”, they are going to listen? Hypocrisy, know the defination?? “hy·poc·ri·sy
[hi-pok-ruh-see]
noun, plural hy·poc·ri·sies.
1. a pretense of having a virtuous character, moral or religious beliefs or principles, etc., that one does not really possess.
2. a pretense of having some desirable or publicly approved attitude.
3. an act or instance of hypocrisy. ”
Nuff said
Report Post »justangry
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:37pm@Justthefacts, Have you found the mysterious missing trucks/votes from Aimes yet? The primary that sets the tone for the entire primary and votes from the biggest college/urban part of the state just vanishes? Has anyone seen the police report on the missing trucks from Aimes? Yeah, I’m not all that convinced the primaries were all that legit.
As for the earmarks, the money was already spent. Either Ron Paul put in Earmarks to get money his constituents paid in taxes back from the fed, or someone else’s constituents would have gotten that money. Why is that so hard for everyone to understand?
Report Post »Justthefactsmam
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:45pmAnd for all of you saying that it’s “just money not being spent” If he was not a hypocrit, and he was talking the talk, and walking the walk, his district would be at the bottom of the list, not the top.
Report Post »Justthefactsmam
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 7:13pm@justangry isn’t it amazing how the losing side always talks about the “missing votes”?
Report Post »engineer357
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 7:22pmfirst off, our Ron Paul’s delegates are being thrown out even after the state conventions. This is shamefull that the RNC is so tight with Romney tha they would go back after conventions realizing that Ron Paul had a plurality of 5 states and then scheme a way to take those pluralities away. Also, they are bringing up rules right now to shut out anyone that is not part of the political elite. This should not be tolerated. What is the RNC or Romney’s camp so afraid of? What is wrong with debate? this makes the party stronger. What we have now is two people that are going to debate each other and pretty much agree on everything. We are not violating the constitution by any means….i don’t even see the point here on that subject. Voting is a right….at least for now. Whats wrong with voting for someone who is telling us the truth and stands for what he believes in.
as for point number 2. Ron Paul believes that government needs to stop spending. “that is numero uno most important”, on the other hand, he also believes that “IF” money is going to be spent then it should be determined by congress, and not by the executive branch, so that is done by earmarking. If you don’t earmark then you are saying we will spend without any appropriations as to where the money will go. Earmarks are supposed to offer transparency to the system. After he earmarks, then he votes against it because “numero uno rule” we don’t have any money and he is against spending. p
Report Post »Justthefactsmam
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 7:31pmOne last thing…On November 7th, do you want to be waking up to headlines that President Obama is relected…Or that President Romney will be inaugurated on Janurary 21st?
Report Post »TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 7:35pmA few days ago The Blaze’s THE BLOG offered this topic… “Obama author offers most painful summation of Ron Paul supporters.”
The BLOG offering was based on a quote by Mark Andrew Taylor in his book called “Branding Obamessiah” which dissected Obama’s 2008 Presidential run. Taylor also provided a timely quote regarding Ron Paul’s supporters…
“In the same way that somebody steps into a church and makes a decision of faith, and that’s the preacher they were converted under, they’re going to stay under him until some disillusion sets in or maybe they’ll widen their intellectual background or they grow up in the faith, and they learn from themselves.”
OUCH!
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 7:49pm@TIME..That’s funny Time..lol…That does not hurt one bit..What is sad is that you are so brainwashed that you would work for Communists..and defend them….You are like the little GI Joe all grown up and only educated in the Globalist New World Order Communist Agenda… The Ron Paul supporters are supporters of the Constitution..not a dictatorship … and you are all about status quo..You would have made great soldier in Hitlers military Time..Always shcilling for the authority..no matter how evil it is..You get off on it..
Report Post »TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 7:57pmYeah, yeah, yeah ASHES… I’ve seen ALL the commercials that the Ron Paul internet road show has to offer. Obama, bad, Romney Bad, Ron paul good…. vote Ron Paul, er, Gary Johnson, er, Virgil Goode, er, Cynthia McKinney (ooops sorry, that was 2008), er, Vote BAD Obama again… and teach ‘em all a lesson. Yeah, yeah, yeah…
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 8:01pmThe Reality of America..from Anonymous.. ..
Report Post »http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp1ETqCSpfI&feature=player_embedded
GOP officials accuse Romney of Power Grab.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/aug/26/gop-officials-accuse-romney-of-power-grab/#.UDvvEo9cPzg.facebook
Captain77
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 8:01pmHere is your Ron Paul supporter responce. Just because a man wins the popular vote doesn’t make him a constitutionalist. Example: Would you support Adolf Hitler since he won the majority vote of his party? Yes, this is an extreme example, and no I am not comparing Adolf Hitler to Romney, but am using it simply to make a point. However, Ironically, Romney does support NDAA 2012 which is extremely similar to the enabling act which gave Hitler the power to arrest and detain indefinately anyone he considered a threat to himself or the nation (national security).
As for the “earmarks”. Ron Paul feels that every American pays way to much in taxes, as such he tries to get as much money back to the people as he possibly can, which he does through earmarks. No, its not the best way to get the money back to the people, like ending the federal income tax, but its a much better way than through welfare. At least in earmarks, the people work for the money.
Now that I have answered as to why we wouldn’t support someone who is more of an enemy than a friend to the consitution, and as to why Ron Paul uses earmarks to get as much money back to his people as he possibly can, do you have any other questions for a Ron Paul supporter?
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 8:17pm@TIME Cynthia McKinney was a bad mom who was vying off the attention of her son killed in war..but Time..Do you happen to remember the story of Nicholas Berg? The Jew boy who was in Afganistan or Iraq as a contracter and was beheaded on video? His dad wasn’t mad at the Muslims..he was mad at George Bush for having us over there..And Time..why do you detest the Constitution? Is it because you like all that control? That is all I can figure..you use subversive tactics.. You will not deflect us from the intentions of our founders..and the freedom that we should have..We are tired of this Globalism..we do not want to be under Communist rule..And yes.there is no difference between Obama and Romney..I find it amuzing that you used a summary from an Obama author..
Report Post »Toltepeceno
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 8:34pmOops, replied in the wrong thread above.
TJeff1 You sound exactly like I did when I voted for Perot, “this is the only way to make them change”. Well what exactly changed? Nothing except clinton getting 2 terms with less than half of the vote. Don’t kid yourself like I did, it will not make a bit of difference except getting someone worse elected. If that is your plan, then have at it.
Report Post »TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 8:36pmASHES. You are as clueless as you are misinformed. First, CINDY SHEEHAN is who you may be thinking about not Ron Paul‘s fringe endorsement of McKinney in ’08 among others before being shamed into endorsing…. ___________? Do you know??
Anyways… the author I used in my comment ripped into Obama in his book along with ripping into Paul supporters in his quote.
Report Post »libertarianmom
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 8:43pmLove me some Ron Paul, but here’s the reality. Let’s stop putting all our faith and energy into hoping that somehow Team Red–despite what they actually do when they govern–will some how bestow our freedom upon us. When will ya‘ll get it through your heads that it doesn’t matter who is in charge? They all govern the same. To reiterate what Black97 said, “The only way we are getting back to true liberty is through non-violent non-cooperation.”
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 9:11pm@TIME You are right..I was thinking of Cindy Sheehan..and no..I know nothing of Cynthia McKinney..except that she is a democrat..and no I do not know who he got shamed into endorsing..I voted for Sarah Palin in the 2008 election..I thought at the time that she was the only chance we had..it was not for McCain..Now I would vote for neither of them..I have always voted a Republican ticket Time..I voted for Bush because he was the lesser of the 2 evils..but now I see we have no choice.. We will go the way of the New World Order..like it or not..
Report Post »TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 9:25pmASHES. Well then… I expect you should do some homework before you start shooting off your mouth, er, typing finger.
You are the new face of TECHENGINEER based on your past anti-Semitic comments and as you just wrote….
“Do you happen to remember the story of Nicholas Berg? The Jew boy who was in Afganistan or Iraq as a contracter…” That’s kind of like INDIV write “blacky” yesterday in a comment. Boy you guys don’t stray from from your Ron Paul Newsletters as encouragement do you??
I personally don‘t think you’ve ever voted in your life, but hey… that‘s just my opinion based on what I’ve read from you…
Report Post »cous1933
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 9:59pmI can’t fathom how anyone cannot see that Congressman Pauls use of earmarks is not only NOT hypocritical, but is exactly what an honorable representative should do. I‘ve explained this many times but none of the Paul haters seem to follow this simple logic so I’ll try one more time.
First you have to understand that Paul does NOT want these bills to pass, but he knows how Congress loves to spend our money and so he realizes that the bill will probably pass despite his automatic NO vote. Knowing that Congress is going to spend the money (no matter how much he tries to stop them), he adds earmarks for his district so that at least his constituents will get some of their tax money spent in their district. There is no hypocricy in that. If he railed against Congressional spending and then voted Yes on all of these spending bills (sort of like Paul Ryan does) – now THAT would be hypocritical. If you still don’t see the logic and integrity of this tactic, then you’re probably blinded by your hatred of this honest, humble, Christian conservative and common sense arguments are wasted on you.
And also for the umpteenth time, Time_2 is blatantly lying about Paul endorsing Cynthia McKinney. The ONLY endorsement Paul gave in 2008 was for Constitution candidate Chuck Baldwin. He did attend a press conference with McKinney, Ralph Nader, and Baldwin and agreed that (considering the poor choices of Obama and McCain) people should consider voting third party. His endorsement was B
Report Post »cous1933
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 10:09pmRan out of space…..
Pauls endorsement was specifically and enthusiastically for Chuck Baldwin and only Chuck Baldwin. This nonsense inference that attending a press conference with these other third party candidates was an endorsement for them (especially when he specifically endorsed Baldwin) is just typical of the lies that haters like Time_2 spread. Which is why Time_2 has ZERO credibility with anyone who wants to know the truth.
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 10:31pm@TIME..I told you who I have voted for TIME..and I was a Nixon fan and still am..He was a decent human being and he ended that pathetic war in Viet Nam that was serving to make the Rockefellers and Lady Bird Johnson richer..with Rockefellers selling arms to the enemies and Lady Bird making it off of medical supplies..But Rockefellers are in league with the Rothschilds in the un Federal Reserve..As for Jew boy..I have no idea if Berg was a Jew or a just a Hebrew..there is a difference..Jews are the ones who religiously study the first 5 books of the Bible..and no..I am not prejudiced agaisnt them. There is also a difference between Zionists and Jews Tme..The Jews consider Zionists enemies..THe Zionists are the Rothschilds,the family behind Hiter and behind the Bolsheveks who murdered 20 million Russians..They essentially control the world..including you TIME..You are not your own.. As for Nixon..someone that I like a lot on this site who I believe to be a Jew..told me that Nixon got slammed because he provided weapons to Golda Meir..Israel’s Prime Minister ..I knew about Obama when he was running against Hilary and told my broker at the time that he would win..because I researched him and knew it was time for him to come..I never had to read a book about him..I have kept up with him..and nothing surprizes me..but he is just an empty suit..just like Romney..I almost feel sorry for Romney..
Report Post »timetobelievenow
Posted on August 28, 2012 at 1:36amYou`re on something . . and that something is this hilarious,pathetic Romney – Ryan ticket, a real joke ! Big time Liar Romney is only out for himself,so he needs a little dummy – not too bright,but a yes-man to scam the landscape and it`s people – like when king Romney made Ryan his piss-boy !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=JGfXiIXTpE0
Report Post »tropicgirl
Posted on August 28, 2012 at 11:15amYou don’t understand what they were trying to do. They were trying to CHANGE the rules to allow presidential candidates to negate delegates, putting the potential candidate in charge of the voting procedure and influencing the nomination of himself/herself.
Report Post »mcsledge
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:56pmAmerica had better wake up and decide can we survive four more year‘s from a President who has proven to be the average citizen’s worst enemy (i.e., unconstitutional regulations, out-of-control spending, lies and deceit, failure to live up to promises, the desruction of our present energy backbone [coal, oil], etc.).
I know that we have a lot of little differences, but we are headed down a path of socialism, including the destruction of our US Constitution – the foundation for our present freedoms. You either fight against the elephant in the room or you help contribute to Obama’s victory by wasting your vote for someone else who has no chance of winning.
Report Post »Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:07pmThe freaking GOP GAVE us most of the constitutional infringements!!!!! What is wrong with you all?
Report Post »Norm D. Plume
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:44pmAmerica can rise, like a phoenix, from its ashes.
Romney will gull you pathetic morons back to sleep, so the rape can continue.
Obama has awakened you, and you’re getting righteously indignant over civil liberties violations.
And you expect US to support ROMNEY, so YOU can go back to SLEEP?
Hah!
I, for one, welcome our new Communist Overlords, for it is only by fighting against them, that we can come together to reclaim our liberty.
Report Post »justangry
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:45pm@Rothbard, They must be in denial is all I can think of.
Here, these are the republicans in congress and senate that haven’t voted to BLATANTLY trash the Constitution. (like repealing the 6th and 7th amendments in the yearly defense bill…WOW!)
Justin Amash, MI
Timothy Johnson, IL
Tom McClintock CA
Ron and Rand Paul, TX/KY
But yeah, it‘s all Obama’s fault.
Report Post »All Pro
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 7:17pmWithout George W Bush and the GOP non of what Obama is doing would be possible. I will NOT vote for either of the mainstream progressives. I‘ve read Romney’s record, I’ve read Ryans record, I‘m living Obama’s record. Not a pinch of difference between them. In so far as this article goes, it just proves Ryan is a LIAR.
Report Post »mtcountrygrl
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 7:18pmNo Paulbots want violent revolution. Instead of helping us turn the ship around. They want to help Obama distroy the country so they can have their revolution. Paulbots are as bad as OWS. Both want violent overthrow of the system. If they were on board with reform, they would help influence inside the party like the tea party and turn the ship in the right direction. They want revolution and blood in the streets. That is the simple truth.
Report Post »WakingSheep
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 7:26pm@mt
Report Post »That’s a really stupid comment.
I love this country. I just wanted a fair election. It was far from fair.
I also want the Constitution back.
Obama and Romney have no oath to the Constitution. I will not support that plain and simple.
Red and blue caused this mess. I guess hopefully after four more years of the same (if we make it that long); you people will wake up.
The economy isn’t everything and our loss of freedom will prove that in time.
engineer357
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 7:30pmwe are going have to survive 4 more or 8 years of the same. Both are going to barrow, go to war, take away civil liberties, and ultimately financial liberty. The banks are lining up to be bailed out again….just wait and see….just remember this post….wait and see what happens in the next couple years when we have bailed out just as much or more than 2008. I am going to promise you that if we vote Obama or Romney its going to HAPPEN. the banks are hedging their bets on both…..got to keep pumping those tax payer dollars into the system….keep the ponsi scheme going….and in the meantime….lets talk about some social issues like marriage and abortion….so we can get our minds off the goal of stealing the money!
Report Post »TJeff1
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:55pmRomney’s stance on Monetary Policy:
“”"Counterfeit economies require frequent injections of counterfeit money to remain fraudulently healthy.”"”
It’s simple Kleptonomics 101 actually, it‘s all good until it isn’t and then there will be a lot of crying.
Sorry Romney and Ryan…. you are a “hard money” phonies.
Report Post »mcsledge
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:03pmI worry about anyone taking economic advise from you.
Report Post »TJeff1
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:14pmI have been in Gold and Silver since 2002. Take a look at the charts. How have you done in your paper assets?? You could only wish you had taken advice from me.
Report Post »TeaParty_RonPaul_R3VOLUTION
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:58pm@MCSLEDGE
I worry about anyone taking an English class from you. “Advise” is a verb . I think you meant “advice.”
By the way, isn’t English your first language?
And for the record, Ron Paul is the greatest congressman we’ve ever had. He represents the libertarian philosophy of the founders of this country. Do you honestly believe that ROmney and Ryan are closer to the ideology of the founders than Ron Paul?
Ron Paul is the reason why so many young people have registered to vote in the Republican primaries. Yet the neo-con morons, such as yourself, have done a stellar job in turning away Ron Paul supporters, instead of courting them by changing position on a few positions.
Change your position of the failed war on drugs and terrorism. Accept the fact that actions have consequences and when you invade another country, then people will view you as an aggressor.
Report Post »WakingSheep
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 7:14pmhttp://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/05/romneys-big-fat-wet-kiss-to-keynesian-economics.html
Yeah……
Report Post »Gourdy
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:46pmI don’t agree with a lot of what Ron Paul believes, but Ryan and Romney are far, far from Paul’s libertarian philosophy. Ryan‘s budget proposals simply don’t add up.
Report Post »WakingSheep
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 7:01pmSo says the buildup of this HUGE GOV EMPIRE brought to you by red and blue.
Report Post »Dcjones
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:45pmFACT IS >>>>> WE ARE GOING OFF A CLIFF WITH EITHER OBAMA OR ROMNEY. It is too late to change course. We are looking at a currency collapse in the next few years. As soon as we loose our reserve currency status, our rates will spike and we will be TOAST.
Romney is not going to stop the train from going off the cliff. His proposed spending cuts are way to mild and will probably compromise.
Given that a majority of the US public is very uneducated from an economic standpoint, they are very likely going to blame this collapse on the politics on who is currently in office. I think we can agree that neither Obama nor Romney are going enact measures that will prevent this collapse.
Therefore, we need to ask our selves the following: Do we want an economic collapse under an “Overt Socialist” i.e. Obama? Or do we want the collapse during the administration of a RINO that supposedly (at least in the minds of the ignorant US public) stands for Free Market Capitalism?
I am scared of a back lash against Free Market Capitalism if the Economic Collapse happens during Romney’s administration. This could very well lead to the government enacting much harsher economic controls and lead to a totalitarianism state.
But if the Economic Collapse happens during the Obama administration, then the US public will more likely see the actual writing on the wall and finally return to Free Markets.
Report Post »soybomb315_II
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:54pmExactly. And there is someone else who agrees with you….
“The scenario that keeps running through my head goes like this: John McCain somehow wins; the major problems we’re likely going to face regardless of who is elected kick in; McCain gets blamed; and conservative ideals take the fall for McCain’s decidedly nonconservative policies. Plus, it’s always been my theory that you should be voting for something, not against something. Trying to win an election by just being against something is usually fruitless; see John Kerry.”
Report Post »-Glenn Beck, July 2008 on the Glenn Beck Show
Psychosis
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:04pmnow thats a great avatar picture
lol freakin priceless lol
Report Post »LetUsReason
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:10pmThere are many things in this world and in this country that will happen regardless of which man ends up occupying 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. I agree with you in the fact that there will be an eventual economic collapse with either Obama or Romney. But this won’t be an American collapse only. It will be a worldwide collapse and attempt at reshuffling the decks. I am not voting for Romney because I think he can steer us clear of this catastrophe; I am voting for him because he will be the one to help us rebuild. Obama will rebuild this country to something that you nor I will recognize. Romney will not. If you vote for Ron Paul, then (1) You will still see a worldwide collapse and (2) You are placing your bets with Obama as the better rebuilder.
To ALL Ron Paul supporters: If it’s pride, or stubbornness, or a desire to think only in terms of now, now, now and ideological purity….then I suggest you exercise patience and long-suffering. Fight the fight, but fight it smart. The rest of us want the same things that you do. The only difference is that we are willing to sacrifice some of things we want now in order to have them later.
Report Post »justangry
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 7:02pm@LetUsReason, If we’re going to crash, and I believe most of believe we are; I‘d prefer to have someone in office that believes I have rights and isn’t a internationalist/statist that will surrender our country over to the UN.
Report Post »WakingSheep
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 7:03pmInserting head in sand…. Who’s coming with me?
Apparently the GOP
Report Post »jungle J
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:38pmmost of the problem is not the presidents…it is the voters for electing the dishonest because they remind them of themselves. The sane and those trying hard to be honest understand.
Report Post »TRONINTHEMORNING
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:37pmI’ve said this a squillion times on my show an on the web…If you even lean conservative; you have to vote Romney. If you don’t, you are not anywhere near conservative. I did not like Romney for our GOP candidate but I am a believer in following logic, not emotion. I vote against Obama, not for Romney. I have had a number of surrogates for Romney on my show. Sununu, Gov. Walker, etc…I’ve told all of them my feelings. They get it. Don’t you Paul supporters? The country’s needs outweigh your individual needs and mine. Come on, let‘s beat this punk who’s punked us for 4 years!
Report Post »ExTex
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:40pmExactly! I, too, am not a huge fan of Romney, but that’s who we have to go to battle with. Splitting the troops will only spell defeat. Country before Cause is what I say.
Report Post »Dcjones
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:43pmFirst off. Romney is not going to stop the train from going off the cliff. His proposed spending cuts are way to mild and will probably compromise.
Given that a majority of the US public is very uneducated from an economic standpoint, they are very likely going to blame this collapse on the politics on who is currently in office. I think we can agree that neither Obama nor Romney are going enact measures that will prevent this collapse.
Therefore, we need to ask our selves the following: Do we want an economic collapse under an “Overt Socialist” i.e. Obama? Or do we want the collapse during the administration of a RINO that supposedly (at least in the minds of the ignorant US public) stands for Free Market Capitalism?
I am scared of a back lash against Free Market Capitalism if the Economic Collapse happens during Romney’s administration. This could very well lead to the government enacting much harsher economic controls and lead to a totalitarianism state.
But if the Economic Collapse happens during the Obama administration, then the US public will more likely see the actual writing on the wall and finally return to Free Markets.
Report Post »soybomb315_II
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:44pmthats funny that ron paul supporters are expected to just go along. But in the debates, when the other candidates were asked if they would vote for Ron Paul if he were the nominee – many either laughed or said no. Why should the Tea Party and Ron Paul folks always bend over for you establishment types? Shouldnt Romney make some sort of promise or compromise in order to get our vote? For instance, if Romney signed a legal contract that he would not run for re-election in 2016 – i might vote for him
At the end of the day, your problem is the election laws and process. The republicans should work to improve it if they are so worried about 3rd party candidates
Report Post »Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:45pm” If you don’t, you are not anywhere near conservative.”
So if you don’t want to vote for a generation of budget deficits, erosion of civil liberties, gun control, government run healthcare, and expansion of government…you’re not anywhere near conservative?
Well, guess that excluded me. Seriously though, y’all have lost your dang minds.
Report Post »Individualism
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:09pmif your a communist you should vote for Romney. if your a socialist you should vote for Obama, if your a capitalist you should vote for Gary Johnson.
Report Post »barber2
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:16pmDC: You need to leave that town ! It has ruined your thinking! In summary ; Nobama 2012 No Democrats 2012
Report Post »LetUsReason
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:21pm@ DCJONES
You don’t need to copy and paste your comments in order to have them be understood. Yes, we get it…the train off the cliff analogy. Good job.
Report Post »justangry
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:23pm@Tron, I wish I could help you out because I truly hate Obama, but I‘m a civil liberties kind of guy and they’ve pushed back what our ancestors have fought for centuries (8 centuries actually with the NDAA) with a few key votes, which none of them are even slightly apologetic about.
Then there’s the warmongering. I mean, I’m sorry, but I’ve washed my hands of it, and I can’t go back and be what I once was. I didn’t see God there. As a matter of fact, I lost my faith there, and I can‘t imagine dropping bombs on people that didn’t do anything to me will help me get it back. I doubt seriously that supporting more bloodshed will help me get into heaven either. Furthermore, I love my brothers still serving, and I don’t want to be responsible for sending them back into another unnecessary war. That’s all on you guys. I can‘t help it you’re voting for the wrong candidate. I’ve done my best to persuade everyone to vote with these principles in mind.
Report Post »PutMoreOnMyPlate
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:25pm@individualism
Well said :) Too bad capitalism is dying and I don’t see anyone fighting for it.
Report Post »PutMoreOnMyPlate
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:29pm@justangry
If you lost God then Satan wins another. Love you hon, but it‘s hard to lose something that wasn’t there. God makes Himself known even in these tragedies and dictating to yourself what He should and shouldn‘t do means that you’ve missed the point somewhere. I pray you find peace even in this turmoil because it‘s only going to get worse and God’s going to let it happen.
Report Post »justangry
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 8:47pm@PutMoreOnMyPlate, Seems to me Satan has already won. Can you honestly tell me you see anything godly in this video? This is the kind of thing my squadron did in 91, and they were the best at it. We were awarded the Battle E and everything. And despite me telling people over and over that it sucks, we still have a bunch of people cheering for more of it because of the lying ass CFR owned media and politicians’ propaganda. No sir we have a nation of, so called, Christians unable to love their enemies, turn the other cheek and forgive others of their trespasses. If I weren’t an agnostic, I’d say every vote cast for a man who has essentially promised more of this was guided by Satan himself. I’m sorry, I’m just really not in the mood for your piety.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3e3g-8hHAw
Report Post »TROLLMONGER
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:36pmTypical uneducated right wing response. What a moron…LOL!
Report Post »barber2
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:03pmAnd your comment is a typical arrogant Alinsky smear by a Lefty.
Report Post »bryan305
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:35pmRomney and Obama are both members of CFR. Doesn’t matter which one you vote for, they’re both backed by the same people. (as all recent presidents have been)
Nothing will change for the better in 2013.
Report Post »justangry
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:46pmHeck a Paul supporter (sorry I forget which one of you it was) linked an article Ryan wrote for the CFR a week or two ago. I‘m really suspicous what’s going on the minds of these people other than ruling the world.
Report Post »resme
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:57pm@just, http://www.cfr.org/us-election-2012/wsj-gop-budget-americas-future/p27687.
Report Post »floridareader
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:29pmI like many of Ron Paul’s stances, but he does not a have chance to get nominated. So there are two options: remain divided and give Obama four more years to continue “fundamentally” transforming the USA, o united for once and take our country back.
Report Post »It’s up to you Libertarians.
If Ron Paul’s fans do not want to listen to all of us that support R/R, then they should at least follow another Libertarian: Glenn Beck, and a registered Conservative, Sean Hannity: Both have said in their own shows: Every conservative must get behind the Republican nominated. It’s the only way to save America from becoming a Marxist, Muslim and Communist country.
soybomb315_II
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:36pm“Where have I heard that before? Oh that’s right, from Carol Quigley, it’s in “The Overton Window”: “The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies… is a foolish idea. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can throw the rascals out at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy. Then it should be possible to replace it, every four years if necessary, by the other party, which will be none of these things but will still pursue, with new vigor, approximately the same basic policies.”
“That’s exactly what we are facing today: progressive vs. progressive-light. And that’s by design.”
-Glenn Beck (on his Fox News show)
Report Post »Kupo
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:38pmBeck is not a libertarian, no matter what he says.
Report Post »Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:42pmThis just doesn’t make sense. If progressiveism is the problem as Glenn points out then how exactly is voting for progressives going to fix it?
So if a patient is dying of cyanide poisoning do you give him arsenic because it will take longer to kill him? It makes no sense.
Report Post »All Pro
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 7:28pmGlenn Beck is not a libertarian. He‘s a ’conservative’.
Report Post »Conservative = progressive fascist.
We know are own and he isn’t one of us. We actually question with boldness and act on principle.
justangry
Posted on August 28, 2012 at 9:00am@All Pro, But we didn’t get a 100 million dollar contract to pacify the religous right either. LOL You’re right though about us knowing our own. I’m really frustrated with him trying to present this Kibby dude with the porkchop sideburns as one of ours as well. He was close at one time, maybe he’ll regain a little humility and change back. I‘m hoping because he’s such a great motivator and speaker, he’d be a great asset for the Liberty Movement.
Report Post »Individualism
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:28pmHe and Obama have voted together on so many things to make them generally close to each other. Gary Johnson is just the best person to vote for, for the best results. Also a person is not worth voting for if they were put through by rigging, fraud and has committed a felony like passing out subs for votes. for those who say its another vote for Obama well atleast he got through his primary without the crap Romney and his folks pulled. its never wise to vote for someone like that.
Report Post »soybomb315_II
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:52pmGary Johnson was governor of a left leaning state…But unlike Mitt Romney, Gary Johnson was able to get his agenda through while having the courage to veto all the liberal bills. Johnson was so good at governing that state, he won re-election and continued to blaze a small government trail.
The contrast between Gary Johnson and Mitt Romney is stark
Report Post »LakeHartwellSailor
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:53pm@Individualism –
Man, try again in 2016, because any vote not cast to Mitt is a vote for Obama….and if Obama wins, I don’t want to hear any Paulbots complaining. Keep your eye on the prize, and the prize is an Obama exit. It may not be the whole proverbial Enchilada that you want; but it certainly will be better then what is in office now.
Report Post »mcsledge
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:01pmObama and Romney are nothing alike. Obama doesn’t give a crap about the US Constitution. Romney supports it. You’ve been deceived by the propoganda. Your vote for Johnson may help you sleep a couple of nights until you begin to feel the screwing that Obama plans on giving America during a term in which he has nothing to lose. Then, may your vote and common sense (or lack there of) haunt you.
Report Post »Norm D. Plume
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:52pm@LakeHart….
Likewise, when Obama wins, I don’t want to hear any grumping from the Romney-ites.
After all, he was YOUR candidate. If he can’t convince enough people to vote FOR him, then why should anyone, YOU ESPECIALLY, complain?
Report Post »Norm D. Plume
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:54pm@Mc…
Please square for me:
Supports NDAA, TARP, GM Bailouts, USA PATRIOT Act.
And this:
Supports the Constitution.
Ready? Set?! GO!!!
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 7:22pmLAKEHART, do not worry……the Paulbots are sitting out the election. Well, except for the fake ones here that are 0bama supporters. No doubt 0bama will win….but it won’t be due to the Paulbots. Something worse than Paulbots are in our future.
Report Post »Eric_The_Red_State
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:24pmOur fathers fought against communism -
WE elect one to be our President.
Its time to GET THAT GUY OUT OF OFFICE and THEN deal with the rest of the story.
NOT BEFORE!!!
Stop nit picking and FOCUS people
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:45pmI did not vote for him!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Report Post »mcsledge
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:08pmWell put. Socialism and Communism exist and are real threats to our nation. Poeple think these issues are long gone, but they are staring us in the face.
You can forget your freedom of speech when government controls it. You can forget your freedom of religion when government forbids it. You can forget your guns when government all but confiscates them from you. Capitalism, not socialism and communism, guarantee our freedoms.
Choose ye this day:
Obama – Socialism
Romney – Capitalism
It’s that black and white.
Report Post »Norm D. Plume
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:57pmRomneyCare – Socialism.
TARP, NDAA, USA PATRIOT Act – Fascism.
Hmm… not seeing “capitalism” in there anywhere, to any significant degree.
Remember, “Washington is where the money is.”
Report Post »WakingSheep
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 7:10pm@norm
They all put their heads back in the dirt.
I guess Gary Johnson this year for me.
Report Post »I can’t believe the GOP has gone this route….
jsciai
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:22pmI’ve been saying RP will endorse Romney/Ryan before it is all over. Maybe yes, maybe no. But I appreciate Ryan extending the olive branch to those who can recognize the incredible importance of getting obama out of the WH. I can appreciate those who are more libertarian in their political beliefs, I feel I am as well, but we have GOT to get obama out and our best hope is through the Romney/Ryan ticket. I hope lots of libertarian folks join in even thought there will be many who vow not to.
Report Post »soybomb315_II
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:29pmyes – you have been saying that – and you have been completely wrong
The ONLY chance it would have happend is for Ron Paul to get a prime speaking slot, but since he has given up on that – there is NOTHING the GOP can offer Ron Paul to make him do it.
The only question is whether Ron Paul will do the right thing and endorse Gary Johnson
Report Post »Kupo
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:39pmThat was no olive branch. That was Ryan saying, “hey guys, Obama sucks so vote for me? kthx”
Report Post »ExTex
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:15pmI‘ve said it before and I’ll say it again…
Just like Ryan said, we get why you love RP so much…fiscal hawk, watchdog of liberty and the constitution, small government and low taxes advocate…we get it! We’re all about those same things. We tend to differ on foreign policy, social policy and military policy. But, for all intents and purposes, I think that we have more common ground than you do with the current Democratic Party. And certainly on the more important/urgent issues at hand. For that reason, given your unwavering principled stances on these topics, I think you should seriously consider voting for Romney/Ryan in November instead of standing on principle which will achieve nothing but possibly put Obama back in office. If you really care about the deficit, national debt, and future of our country, you should put pride behind duty and get this ship heading back in the right direction.
Your fight was in the primaries and you lost. You had to make your case and you failed. Not that your cause isn’t just, but that you simply haven’t articulated your message in a way that resonates with the public at large. Attacking those you disagree with is not the way to attract people to your way of thinking. It may take some time. Now is not the time to fall on your sword for a cause that can be fought another day. Please consider the bigger picture here. This election is too critical for us all.
Report Post »soybomb315_II
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:20pmrepublicans dont own our vote. If you want us to vote for a republican – you would be better off nominating a tea party candidate. Tea party candidates are a good compromise
Report Post »IsThereADifference
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:28pmMy fight is against progressivism. Your men Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney are BOTH progressives. They are Big Government. They are both bailout kings who voted for TARP. They both supported and Ryan voted for CISPA and NDAA. They are CRAP CANDIDATES for a country that is losing it’s liberties at light speed.
These men are PROGRESSIVES!!! Go sell crazy someplace else!
Report Post »jsciai
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:31pmextex,
I agree with your comments with the exception of one thing, and that is that RP’s supporters did not lose the primary, RP did. I minor distinction, I know, but it’s important to understand that they voted their conscience in the primary, just as everyone did, and RP came up short. Romney got over 9.8m votes to RP’s 2m+. Those are hard numbers that cannot be ignored by anyone who accepts the primary process.
Some can cry foul all they want to, but such a difference in actual voters is dramatic. I would hope we can count on our more conservative friends to oust obama. That is the overiding goal.
Report Post »13th Imam
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:36pmBarry OWNS the chin stuck in the air, Rue Paul vote.
Report Post »Dcjones
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:40pmYou gave a well thought out statement so I will respond clearly why you are wrong.
First off. Romney is not going to stop the train from going off the cliff. His proposed spending cuts are way to mild and will probably compromise.
Given that a majority of the US public is very uneducated from an economic standpoint, they are very likely going to blame this collapse on the politics on who is currently in office. I think we can agree that neither Obama nor Romney are going enact measures that will prevent this collapse.
Therefore, we need to ask our selves the following: Do we want an economic collapse under an “Overt Socialist” i.e. Obama? Or do we want the collapse during the administration of a RINO that supposedly (at least in the minds of the ignorant US public) stands for Free Market Capitalism?
I am scared of a back lash against Free Market Capitalism if the Economic Collapse happens during Romney’s administration. This could very well lead to the government enacting much harsher economic controls and lead to a totalitarianism state.
But if the Economic Collapse happens during the Obama administration, then the US public will more likely see the actual writing on the wall and finally return to Free Markets.
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:42pmThat would depend..which Romney are we talking about?
Report Post »http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_pgfWK3sxw
That Romney..the one who is financed by the same Sharia Compliant Banks that finance Obama?
I’ll google to see if hell has frozen over..I’ll get back to you..
ExTex
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:53pmAgain, you’re fighting the last battle. I’m no more a fan of Romney than you, but he’s the guy that won….and he’s the only only chance of turning this thing around….THIS ELECTION!!!! You’re NOT gonna get the perfect candidate. You’re NOT gonna accomplish anything writing in GJ or anyone else. You’re only damaging America by foolish pride. So what, you didn’t get what you wanted, so now your gonna throw a little temper tantrum and throw away a vote to make a point? Really?
Let me ask you something….if you were on a sinking ship in the middle of the ocean, and the only way to survive was catching a ride on another boat with someone you hated…would you go down with the ship on “principle” just to make a point?
I simply can‘t understand how you people cannot see what’s at stake here. Talk about foolish pride!!!
So you all (libertarians) would rather see the entire country go under for some principle that you could fight for another day, than to compromise? Idiocy. What makes you think you’ll have the liberty to fight your fight beyond this election? You clearly don’t get it!
Report Post »stopspendingourmoney
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:38pmDCJONES, I would rather Romney be in. I trust him more than I do obama. I think if obama was in another four years I think he may come after the tea party people/Vets/truthers I think he already has to an extent. He is too much of a commie.http://www.fox19.com/story/19346944/reality-check-us-marine-held-in-a-mental-hospital-against-his-will-even-though-he-has-committed-no-crime
Report Post »PutMoreOnMyPlate
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:43pmIf I voted for Obama it would be out of spite, if I voted for Romney it would be out of fear, if I voted for Johnson it would be cause we share the same last name and be an eff you to you all you crazies :) Love ya mean it. This will change nothing and I suggest edumacating yourself on the paradox of state power called the electoral college. It’s fun.
Report Post »Norm D. Plume
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 7:00pmMight have been nicer, and more persuasive, if your guys had followed their own rules during the primaries and in the run-up to the convention.
You know, where you guys were cheating and beating the Paul delegates, breaking fingers and dislocating hips, and such?
Nah. We may have some common philosophical ground with you, but we are more interested in following the Rule of Law than you guys seem to be.
This is a divorce, folks.
Report Post »jsciai
Posted on August 28, 2012 at 5:12pmExtex,
Great post! I’ve been looking for a way to express my feelings on this issue with conservatives/libertarians and you hit it spot on. I would add, however, that I think there will be MANY libertarians voting for Romney/Ryan because they do see the importance of this election. Those few who post so vehemently on the Blaze may make it look like the group will protest vote in block, but I’m not so sure. Every day the gulf between the liberals and conservatives grows wider and I think there will be a gathering around Romney before it is over. Just look at the evangelicals that were so strongly against Romney but who are now supporting him.
Also, I truly believe we are going to see Romney govern from a strongly conservative fiduciarly side. His pick of Ryan for VP supports my opinion on that. This will include social spending as well as other government spending. I think most conservatives and libertarians will be pleased he is preseident over obama.
Report Post »soybomb315_II
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:10pm“Ryan told Bret Baier that Ron Paul supporters should feel “comfortable” with the Republican ticket, adding that Obama is only offering a “cradle-to-grave welfare state.’ ”
There are many instances in this short article that show how Paul Ryan does not understand the current situation. The choice for us is not Romney or Obama. The choice is Romney versus 3rd party (Gary Johnson, Virgil Goode) or not voting at all….
In his heart, Paul Ryan knows this but he would rather continue with the ignorant politics – just in case there are republicans who dont know there is more to choose from than just Romney
Report Post »PointBreak
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:08pmThis RINOmney/Ryan ticket is a real winner based on all the bumper stickers I see supporting them – oh, wait that’s right – I’ve never seen one. Seriously in America’s greatest moment of peril the vote comes down to two teams that literally no one likes. Way to go GOP. You managed to blow a total cakewalk by running a liberal democrat mormon loon as a republican. Thanks for nothing.
Report Post »TRONINTHEMORNING
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:03pmHey, at least there is a “Paul” on the ticket; that should count for something, right?
Report Post »soybomb315_II
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:11pmdo you think we are nepotists? insulting
Report Post »TRONINTHEMORNING
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:16pmjust a joke SOY…Come on, laugh a little. {:
Report Post »soybomb315_II
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:21pmi read the posts on this site – nothing people say about Ron Paul supporters would surprise me
i’m not used to seeing that from you
Report Post »TRONINTHEMORNING
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:26pmYou know, Rand is voting for Romney. Does that do anything for you Ron supporters? I would think so.
Report Post »soybomb315_II
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:31pmno, we are not robots….again, insulting
I dont think you understand the principles of individualism. We are not like typical republicans that can be rounded up and force-fed crap sandwiches at the voting booth
Report Post »TRONINTHEMORNING
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:51pmSOY, you can replace the word ‘individualism’ with ‘selfish’ in you post…Time to team up. We’ll sort out specifics after we win the general election. I get your grievances, but you have got to understand what is at stake. This isn‘t our parents’ election process. We either salvage what‘s left of our freedom and liberty or we chuck it for ’individualism’…Which is really tyranny from the extreme, evil left.
Report Post »soybomb315_II
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:57pmgive me freedom or give me collapse.
Better to sort this out now – i dont want my kids to grow up and live through tyranny
Report Post »Norm D. Plume
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 7:03pm@Soy:
Well said.
Report Post »cous1933
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 10:50pmWell said Soy. They don’t get it and I doubt they ever will. When it comes to liberty and the principles of the Founding Fathers, you are the Remnant.
Report Post »Economist
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 4:57pmHaHaHaHa. Funny, Paul Ryan didn’t you vote for the stimulus bill?? Yes you did. Sorry you can not talk “sound money” and “free markets” 2 months before the election and expect us to think you are now not a socalist just to get the Paul votes.
No not falling for that one. Pigs will fly before the Republican party embraces sound money.
Report Post »13th Imam
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:06pmDon‘t you mean Donkey’s and Rue Paul Asses.
Report Post »Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 4:56pm“We see eye to eye on a lot of issues. We believe in sound money. We believe in economic freedom. We believe in the founding principles,” Ryan said.
TARP, Bailouts, Stimulus, Medicare expansion, deficits for a generation….Sound money? Economic freedom?
NDAA, Patriot Act, Gun Control, Government Healthcare….founding principles?
Evidently we agree on legalized drugs, because he must be smoking something if he believe this bunk.
Report Post »vox_populi
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 4:58pmWhat he means is that you see eye-to-eye on a lot of useful rhetoric. Policies? Not so much.
Report Post »IsThereADifference
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:19pmExactly! This country and it’s beloved freedoms will not live much longer. Our country as we knew it is gone. Especially when Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney are the only hope for saving it.
The people voting party line Republican ticket are totally clueless to the facts you just stated about the NDAA CISPA and TARP. They will gripe and complain about these very issues and then turn right around and start promoting the very people who made these laws possible. I never knew the American population was stuffed so full of stupid/ignorant people.
Report Post »barber2
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:18pmVOXOBAMA: Divide the Dumb Conservatives rhetoric.
Report Post »WakingSheep
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:52pmIt’s amazing that these guys are making the claims of saving America.
There really is no lesser evil in this or the last election. My second time to vote and this is my future.
The GOP is blinded by “jobs”. Nevermind the foreign wars or the Constitution.
I guess I will be one vote for Johnson.
@barber
Report Post »Read NDAA, the creature from Jekyll island, and some history (especially the past century of the middle east).
justangry
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 7:24pmRothbard, No doubt, it’s insulting that he even thinks he can pull this sh*t on us and not get called on it. How can he vote for any of these things and say we see eye to eye on anything, let alone “a lot”?
Report Post »libertarianmom
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 8:45pmYou be just a big ‘ole pile of awesome, Rothbardian_in_the_cleve!
Report Post »cous1933
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 10:32pmOutstanding post Rothbardian. They have no answer.
Report Post »Wildblue3
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 4:54pmAnd who would you rather vote for? Romney or Obama?
Report Post »Somethingfunny
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:11pmRomney or Obama, both are just progressives. But if had to choose I would go for the greater evil and vote Obama. I would rather see destruction, so we can start rebuilding sooner then later…
If you Romenybots don’t like it. Then maybe you dips should have nominated someone who wasn’t a progressive!!
Report Post »frust@ted
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:13pmThis is an unfair argument because I could turn it around and use the same argument on you.
Who would you rather have for presidedn Gary Johnson or Obama?
Your next argument will be you are throwing your vote away. I’d argue that you have given your vote away to politicians that never do what they say they will do.
Report Post »RightUnite
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:14pm@SOMETHINGFUNNY….. Idiot… There will be nothing to rebuild you fool!
Report Post »Individualism
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:33pmthe person with a base of support and the person who got through to primary without rigging, committing felonies and breaking rules.
Report Post »barber2
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:06pmSOMETHINGNOTFUNNY: You sound like one of those ” Let’s Have A Revolution” dudes . Way too messy a solution.
Report Post »Somethingfunny
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:39pm@RIGHTUNITE, that only depends on what happens.
@BARBER2, All I said was destruction. You‘re the one that’s jumping to war. I actually believe, the continual destruction of the dollar well wake people up, and cause more people to get involve politically.
Report Post »PorkPIG
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 4:54pmSure and what about the NDAA Mr. Ryan ? No thank you , I’ll vote for Garry Johnson .
Report Post »13th Imam
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:01pmFour More Years,
Four More Years
Four More Years.
Report Post »bleuze
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:03pmDo you really think he has a chance or do you really want to throw your vote away for Obama?
Report Post »TRONINTHEMORNING
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:03pmWasted vote.
Report Post »PorkPIG
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:06pmI plan on working the polls as “democrats for GJ” so I’ll take many votes for the anointed one with me .
Report Post »Just for reference , i was registered libertarian unitl last year when i switched to repub. to vote for Dr. Paul in the Primaries .
RightUnite
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:13pmAh, no… You’re voting for Obama… Fool….
Report Post »PorkPIG
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:13pmYou guys and this wasted vote crap , makes me laugh . If i was voting for the obamma then i would vote the obamma. The country is going under no matter what , there is no way to dig our way outa this money crisis , we are in a economic collaspe and if you think voting for puppet one or puppet 2 will fix things then double dumb a-ss on u . LOL!!!!!!
Report Post »soybomb315_II
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:14pmThere is no such thing as a wasted vote…what kind of country is this? The republicans and democrats made the election laws, and now republicans are going to bitch and complain about them?
If there was ever such a thing as a wasted vote – it was JOHN MCCAIN. All you people who voted for John McCain wasted your vote and should have voted for Pastor Chuck Baldwin. If you had done that, i guarantee we would not have Mitt Romney as the nominee today. jerks
Report Post »riseandshine
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:26pmPorkPig…..puppet 1 and puppet 2 is right….Though I won’t be voting for either puppet…I DO feel better about puppet Romney than puppet Obama.
Report Post »Individualism
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:32pmRomney is not an option, he is a felon, he got through by rigging and breaking delegate rules. a criminal is not an option. Obama sucks but atleast he got through allot more ethically and the unethical person is always a nightmare like Nathan Deal in Georgia right now.
Report Post »PorkPIG
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:33pmno vote is wasted , when i working the poll for Paul Delegates in the Primary’s , I made sure to thank everyone for voting 1st because its your freedom to vote your choice . I turned some nasty faced liberals into some friendly chatty ppl that were more receptive to my message . My vote is not wasted , just as your is not wasted either . You guys need to get rid of this its my way or nothing , you sound just like the ppl you are so against . The biggest reason I dont like liberals is they Always know whats best for everyone and there opinion is actually Fact (according to them anyways) .
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 4:52pmOh Lord….. here we go!
Report Post »13th Imam
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 4:59pmThis should be very interesting. All the screws and nuts will be slinging crap.
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:04pmThey are a passionate group…..I’ll give them that.
Report Post »soybomb315_II
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:16pmHey monk i found a great song yesterday. If you want to better understand where we are coming from, listen to this….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlZldWmmDTY&feature=related
Report Post »DEFCON4
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:17pmIt’s the 2012 version of the : ‘Hatfields and McCoys ” flinging Political Mud !
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:23pmHi Soybom315,
Thanks for the song.
Not much of a turn out today. Only about 200. One Black Bloc arrested for not taking off his mask. Glad to see them (trying to) enforcing the no masks in public law. We had a big rain storm come through about 4:15 and it just stopped a few minutes ago.
And thanks for posting that full video of the Dr. Paul event from yesterday on another story here.
Report Post »soybomb315_II
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:33pmlol….what is with masks anyways. i guess tomorrow is the big day – with the official nomination and all. I’ll be traveling so I wont be able to catch it
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:33pmHi Soybom315,
People who plan to do bad things (or already have) wear masks to hide their identity.
I have a job interview tomorrow in Clearwater so I’ll try to head downtown after that.
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 4:51pmThe GOP loves ya, Ron Paul fans, they really do love you!
Report Post »TROLLMONGER
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:06pmNot if you read all of the comments from the far right Beckbots. And the libertarians cant stand the right wingers.
Report Post »PorkPIG
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:19pmYup thats why we have been in court in Philthadelphia for the last two week defending petition challenges from the Republicans , they sure do luv us real conservatives .
Report Post »soybomb315_II
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:22pm@copatriots
Report Post »About half of the republican voters do but 95% of the GOP party hates our guts….They also hate the Tea Party for the same reasons
copatriots
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:43pmHmmm…….so you can’t stand any right wingers. Very cooperative, MONGER. You know….you don’t actually garner support to your cause by being antagonistic. You might want to study how the Rounders garnered the support that they did. It surely took more than a small percentage to found this country and it is going to take a whole lot more support than you have to save it.
Bees….honey.
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:48pmSorry, SOY, you don’t have half of the GOP voters. We appreciate what you have learned and your passion but question your patriotism……especially when many have professed they would rather have 0bama win since the country is “too stupid” to vote for RP.
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:56pmHeehee!! I did love the movie Rounders and am still pffed Holder shutdown online poker. But, I actually meant Founders. LOL
Report Post »soybomb315_II
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:58pmno – i was saying about half of the republican voters ‘love’ us (IF that)
Report Post »soybomb315_II
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:58pmin response to your original
Report Post »Individualism
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:00pmThe party of war hates anti war or self defense war people.
Report Post »TROLLMONGER
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 4:50pmOh no we dont. Keep dreamin’ bub!!!!
Report Post »HOOT_OWL
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:54pmIf for no other reason …
Report Post »YOU BEING A PAULBOT.
Would be the only reason I need.
NOT to vote for that birdbrain..!
soybomb315_II
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:30pmok, so better to vote for Obama than Gary Johnson? I’ll remember that when i cast my Virginia ballot
Report Post »IsThereADifference
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:32pmPure words of wisdom from a perfect example of what makes up the RNC’s mob.
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:59pmHi Soybom315,
I used to live in Va a long time ago. What part are you near?
Report Post »riseandshine
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:05pmWhat do you think of Virgil Goode?…I don’t know much about him.
Report Post »riseandshine
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:20pmThe above post was meant to be a reply to Soy’s post above mine.
Report Post »soybomb315_II
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 7:30pmI am in Virgil’s home state and i had never heard of him until a month ago. I am a big fan of the Constitution Party but Virgil Goode is a huge let-down from Pastor Chuck Baldwin. I’ll take Gary Johnson over Virgil anyday
Report Post »soybomb315_II
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:45pmhampton roads. between Fort Eustis and Langley Air Force Base
Report Post »soybomb315_II
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 7:42pmwhat the heck – i did not post that!!!!
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