Paul Says He Favors an Immigration Policy That Doesn‘t Rely on ’Barbed-Wire Fences and Guns’
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(The Blaze/AP) — Republican presidential hopeful Ron Paul outlined his views on immigration Wednesday, saying he favors a compassionate policy that doesn’t rely on “barbed-wire fences and guns on our border.”
Paul spoke to several dozen people organized by Hispanics in Politics, Nevada’s oldest Hispanic community group. The Texas congressman has scheduled several days of campaigning in Nevada before the state’s caucuses Saturday.
Paul went into much greater detail on immigration policy than he has at most of his campaign stops. He typically steers clear of discussing rights for specific groups of people, insisting that his libertarian-leaning views apply to everyone as individuals.
But in Nevada, which is 26 percent Hispanic, Paul outlined an immigration policy far outside the Republican mainstream.
Paul blasted politicians who blame immigrants for causing the country’s economic problems. He compared the situation to Nazi Germany’s targeting of Jews in the 1930s.
“When things go badly, individuals look for scapegoats,” Paul said. “Hispanics, the immigrants who have come in, are being used as scapegoats.”
Paul said he doesn’t support illegal immigration and said people who break the law should be punished. But he said he opposes any effort to round people up and ship them away.
“If an individual is found to be breaking the law, serious consideration should be given for them to return. But I would think 99 percent of people who come here come because they believe in the American dream,” Paul said to applause.
Paul decried a punitive border policy, which said offended his belief in individual liberty.
“The one thing I have resisted and condemned: I do not believe that barbed-wire fences and guns on our border will solve any of our problems,” he said.
Paul also said he was against laws that require immigrants to carry proof of legal status. He says he doesn’t want to live in a country where people are required to carry identity papers.
“You say, `Well, this is only for illegals.‘ That’s a bunch of baloney,” Paul said. “How do you sort out illegals from legals? Unless you put papers and identification on everybody.”
Hispanics in Nevada have favored Democrats over Republicans in recent election years – a full 74 percent of Hispanics supported President Barack Obama in 2008 over GOP rival John McCain.
But Fernando Cortes, Paul’s director of Hispanic outreach in Nevada, said many Hispanic voters had shown interest in Paul’s message.
“They’re always pandered to by the left and ignored by the right,” Cortes said of Hispanic voters. “They’re very motivated by the wanting of freedom back and a sound economy.”
Rep. Paul’s remarks to supporters in Nevada Tuesday night:
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AxelPhantom
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 10:00pmSo now what are you going to do with all the troops you pull home?
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 10:17pmummm, patrol the border. You know, national defense/security type of work
Report Post »Shasta
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 10:40pm@soybomb315, in this very article, Paul says he does not believe in border patrol as a means to stem illegal immigration.
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 11:28pmAre you talking about the “barbed wire and guns”? If you watch the debates, he talks all the time about bringing the troops home to patrol the border. I havent seen this video so I dont have his context. When he says ‘barbed wire and guns”, he is probably talking more about a military zone like they have at north/south korea – that is a little excessive. However, that sort of fence is what some other republicans always talk about and never get it done
Report Post »AxelPhantom
Posted on February 2, 2012 at 12:36amIt is like I have said before, he is a politician.
He wooed the Libertarians in ‘88, then dumped them
He cajoled the old south racists, with the news letters, then dumped them
He cajoled the 911/FEMA camp conspiricy theorists, with his talk of re-opening the investigation, appearences on Alex Jones’ show then dumped them (off the wall)
He cajoled the close down the border and ship them all back crowd
and now when it is expedient for his election, he tells a crowd of hispanics what they want to hear.
He is just another politician.
Report Post »naed5048
Posted on February 2, 2012 at 3:02amMaybe we should all revolt and demand that their will be no identification required for anything. No drivers licence, no nothing. We are asked all the time for proof of Idendity… But, if I’m hispanic, it’s an outcry?
Report Post »Jim AZ
Posted on February 2, 2012 at 5:13amNaed: “Outrage”?
Report Post »TomFerrari
Posted on February 2, 2012 at 6:42am@naed gets it.
Report Post »We already require papers of everyone. Everyone who enters our country is required to have their visa with them (or green card, etc). That system is designed for everyone who enters our country. It does not address people entering illegally, because you are not ALLOWED to enter our country illegally. So, if they enter LEGALLY, it is already taken care of. By NOT requiring papers of illegal immigrants, we are treating them better than LEGAL immigrants, whom nobody complains about.
NO. NO SPECIAL TREATMENT FOR CRIMINALS. (and don’t start claiming they are not criminals. Just because you have not been convicted of rape, doesn‘t mean you aren’t a rapist. Policy is NOT law.)
CIAtroll
Posted on February 2, 2012 at 7:49amHow Tragic RP does not believe in Concentration camps
The Transfer Agreement (which promoted the emigration of German Jews to Palestine) implemented in 1933 and abandoned at the beginning of WWII is an important example of the cooperation between Hitler’s Germany and international Zionism. [11] Through this agreement, Hitler‘s Third Reich did more than any other government during the 1930’s to support Jewish development in Palestine and further the Zionist goals.
Hitler and the Zionists had a common goal:Â to create a world Jewish Ghetto as a solution to the Jewish Question.
The Transfer Agreement
The Zionist so-called “World Jewish Congress” declared war on the country of Germany,[12] [13] knowing that it would affect their Jewish brothers residing in that country who would be left without protection. When others tried to help them escape to other countries, the Zionist movement took actions which caused those countries to lock their doors to Jewish immigration (read more in the books, “Perfidy” and “Min Hametzer”). As a result of the Zionist influence five ships of Jewish refugees from Germany arriving in the United States were turned back to the gas chambers. http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/antisemitism/nazisupport.cfm#_ftnref6
Report Post »smithclar3nc3
Posted on February 2, 2012 at 7:52amyEAH i’M MORE OF A LANDMINE/TERMINATOR ROBOT BORDER PATROL AS WELL.
Report Post »Dismayed Veteran
Posted on February 2, 2012 at 10:24amI was almost going to vote for Ron Paul. His position about bringing the troops home and guarding our own borders seemed to make sense to me.
Now he states, “The one thing I have resisted and condemned: I do not believe that barbed-wire fences and guns on our border will solve any of our problems.”
Okay troops on the border mean guns on the border.
His position then has to be interpreted by staunch followers with a kind of “No, no, no. That is not what he meant. He meant this…..
I get the position that national identity papers already exist for legal immigrants and if you don’t have them when asked you must be illegal.
Report Post »Economist
Posted on February 2, 2012 at 11:56amWell his position is to bring the troops home for controling the border in the SHORT TERM. Long term there are better solutions and the goal is not to have these troops.
The problem with illegal immigration is that they use our social welfare system. If we get rid of the system for both Americans and immigrants then there is no problem. The ones that come to work are not an issue. I don’t mind paying immigrants $2 an hour to mow my lawn if it helps them. More money in our pockets to buy things and no Americanized workers would take this job.
Report Post »AxelPhantom
Posted on February 2, 2012 at 12:58pmWhat a lot of people don’t understand is that the hard line Libertarian philosohy of immigration is that there should be no borders at all. Let that sink in.
People have freedom to decide their own destiny, therefore they have the freedom to choose to live where they wish (just ask John Stossel). Paul is a libertarian, and much more hardline than I think he lets on these days.
Report Post »Honor_and_Country
Posted on February 2, 2012 at 1:27pm@soybomb, as a member of the infantry, I have to say You damn well better give me a gun if ur gonna have me patrole a dagerouse area, so there would be guns on the boarder if he put us down there.
Report Post »MYHEROISRON
Posted on February 2, 2012 at 5:28pmAs the Mexican drug cartels round up entire neighborhoods and murder the people wholsale, and the police have to move into hotels because they can’t defend their own homes, and known Islamic terrorist are in cahoots with the cartels, I guess I have just one question about securing our border, Mr. Paul: ARE YOU OUT OF YER FRIGGIN MIND???? We need a president who’s gonna kick AZZ, not shoe shine our enemies shoes out in the open!!!!!!!! WOOSIE!!!!!!!!
Report Post »supermansdad
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 12:01pm@SOY:ummm, patrol the border. You know, national defense/security type of work
What part of the law do you not understand? Federal troops, those of the active and reserve components, can not patrol the border. They are prohibited from doing so. As a former MP who has worked in that region (thank God for a short time) we recieved briefings by both JAG and BP. Posse Commitatus prevents federal troops from patroling the border in the manner currently done by the Border Patrol. We could observe and report ONLY!
National Guard is a different ball game some what. But if on Title 10 orders they have been federalized and would fall under PC also.
Basically, if your gonna tout the rule of law you had better know it.
Report Post »thriceconcussed
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 9:58pmYou are a bunch of crazy fascists, and you’re only proving that the liberals are as right about you as you are about them. Both sides have been hijacked by maniacs. You “good Christians” would love to kill everyone that isn’t like you. Somehow I think Jesus would be appalled.
rush_is_right
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 10:01pmtake the tin-foil off and get back on your meds wacko.
Report Post »thriceconcussed
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 10:11pmNo meds, fought for my country, not an atheist, and educated… I actually believe in rationality, and freedom, you just spout other people’s opinions.
Report Post »A Conservatarian
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 10:15pmlmao, with the name Rush is Right telling people to take the tin foil hat off, hoooo man do you have me laughing at you right now.
:) Thanks for that one toolie.
Report Post »thriceconcussed
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 10:20pmI let myself get too worked up, thanks @conservatarian.
Report Post »3monkeysmomma
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 10:26pmBoth sides are controlled by entities that just want to keep us in debt.
Report Post »One loves war, One loves giant social programs. both equal debt.
No matter which party is elected the result is the same.
A Conservatarian
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 11:33pmAll good big guy, idiots like Rush… the commentator here on this article and the real chubby deal on the airwaves… they like being intellectual bullies. They have a we and they mentality, where ‘we’ doesn’t wear tinfoil hats, but ‘they’ oh ‘they’ sure do because the rushdie in all his formerly tobacco stained glory, says so. It’s hogwash, he’s a blowhard, and people that follow him unquestioningly and spew forth what he excretes from his behind, well, they must enjoy the taste :)
Report Post »resme
Posted on February 2, 2012 at 12:27amRush is never right.
Report Post »SoupSandwich
Posted on February 2, 2012 at 8:23am@ Thrice
Report Post »You admit to 3 concussions? Hello? Esse? Red helmet and propellor time dude. You take issue with some of us tiring of the illegals, the drugs, the child prostitution, the guns, the pee poor edumacation, the free medical and dental, the burro raping, and the really crap way that the language and laws have been trampled on? Que? Take some PTO, fill all your prescripts, then go on down south to Mehico City and spew some of this poop. I don’t care if you did serve, blah who hasn’t. You sir, need to wake up again. Hell, you don’t need to go all the way to Mehico Chitty, hang out in Tiajuana without an adult escort of 10. Closet lib spewing right to this and right to that and poop.
rush_is_right
Posted on February 2, 2012 at 9:06am“lmao, with the name Rush is Right telling people to take the tin foil hat off, hoooo man do you have me laughing at you right now. ”
oh sorry, I forgot tin-foil hats are SO appropriate for wackos like you. I’m laughing at you paul-bots
thanks for the laughs….loser
Report Post »rush_is_right
Posted on February 2, 2012 at 9:07am“No meds, fought for my country, not an atheist, and educated… I actually believe in rationality, and freedom, you just spout other people’s opinions.”
no you don’t beleive in freedom, you ‘libertarians’ area bunch of fascist wackos who only want freedom for those you agree with.
Report Post »rush_is_right
Posted on February 2, 2012 at 9:09am“They have a we and they mentality, where ‘we’ doesn’t wear tinfoil hats, but ‘they’ oh ‘they’ sure do because the rushdie in all his formerly tobacco stained glory, says so. It’s hogwash, he’s a blowhard, ”
oh you‘re just jealous of rush because he’s talented and successful, and you’re a no-talent hack loser, who doesn’t have the intellect, obviously to disput what he says….
Report Post »TommyGuns
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 9:55pmThe Hispanic population of Nevada, at least the illegal population, moved out when jobs became scarce. When Alabama was allowed to put much of their tough illegal immigration reform law into effect, the same thing happened. As an added benefit, the unemployment rate dropped dramatically. There seems to be an easy solution set to the problem without resorting to mass round ups and deportations.
If you prevent illegal immigrants from receiving any benefits, like welfare, food stamps, education and the like, and withhold all federal funding from any state, county, city, town or other entity that provides aid, or driver licenses, etc., it will become more and more difficult for illegals to live here. Of course, you need to go after employers who hire illegals, and make it too risky or unprofitable for them to do so. First offense should be a substantial fine that would hurt, like $50,000 for each illegal they employ. A second offense could be a mandatory jail term and $250,000 fine for each illegal, etc.
I haven’t heard any candidate express a realistic immigration policy. They are either too soft or just too unrealistic. That’s what happens when you have politicians who prefer to pander rather than govern!
Report Post »American Soldier (Separated)
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 11:13pmThat‘s exactly what Ron Paul’s stance is. Remove the benefits for illegal aliens and they have no incentive to live here. If they can’t receive welfare, drivers license or get a job, how would they survive here? They can’t. Government policy is what keeps illegal immigration thriving. Cut off their nectar and it’ll reduce the problem. No barb wired fence or extra guns needed.
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on February 2, 2012 at 2:20amTurn off the magnet…
Dr Paul wants to return to the Constitution. That menas we don’t feed, educate and comfort the illegals in this country. They break the law and they need to be punished.That does not mean cruelty. It means to send them back home. that is punishment enough I would think.
WE do not let them stay here. Dr Paul is not suggesting that at all. If we would just enforce the laws and turn off the freebies this all would end pretty quickly.
Report Post »PlzGodMakeHimStop
Posted on February 2, 2012 at 8:42amExactly…remove the incentives. In North Carolina, where I live, they raided a chicken processing plant which employed illegal aliens. Afterwards, citizens who had been working at the Wal-Mart for about $5/hour went to work at the plant for $7/hour. This totally disproved the argument that illegals only take the jobs citizens don’t want. BTW, I worked for INS and the term “alien” is used there. All persons entering the United States from other countries receive an “alien number” or “a-number”.
Report Post »mr.goodvibe
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 9:55pmWhat, what, what? Ron Paul thinks he Jews were targeted in the holocaust and that we should not secure our border with force and structural impediment, man is he going to lose a lot of followers. Next he is goging to tell us 9/11 was not an inside job. WTH. Thats it I guess we will have to write in Dennis Kucinich for president.
Report Post »DaveOregon
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 9:47pmRon Paul wants us all to go back to the 20-s’ when no fed, no immigration policy, etc etc. The man’s a retrograde ******. You can’t go back in time Pauly my boy – you can’t get rid of Twitter; jets; iPhones; etc. This guy wishes we still had hand wound phonographs for god sake!
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 9:52pmNo, he wants to go back to the 80′s. 1780′s that is. I would gladly take that government over the current one
Report Post »A Conservatarian
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 9:55pmYou’ve never even listened to Dr. Paul – he’s said it multiple times ENFORCE THE LAWS WE CURRENTLY HAVE… stop making new ones, gee, imagine that. A homeland security that focused solely on the border with ICE and border patrol that was tasked to actually follow the laws.
Also imagine, all businesses that have to check immigration status, all voting booths that have to check residency status… take away the ability to vote and make money and guess what happens there genius.
It’s not hard to understand, try it out.
Report Post »mr.goodvibe
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 10:09pmJust did listen and he is starting to sound like a pandering politician. The ends justify the means, where have I heard that before!
Report Post »ShyLow
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 10:20pmHere is how you can eliminate all Big Government policies…A ten percent sells tax…each county collects the tax…the county then gives 10% of what they collect to the State…the State then Gives 10% of what they collect to the federal…so most money stays local and puts the power back to the people…roads can be payed for by tolls and prison labor…lotto money could be used to cover food stamps…school sporting events could be used to help raise funds for school revenew…private insurance,charity,voluntearism,and fund raising events can pay for everthing else…THAT IS MY 10 PERCENT PLAN…no more IRS tell me what you think
Report Post »louise
Posted on February 2, 2012 at 6:08amDave you said,
“Ron Paul wants us all to go back to the 20-s’ when no fed, no immigration policy, etc etc. The man’s a retrograde ******. You can’t go back in time Pauly my boy – you can’t get rid of Twitter; jets; iPhones; etc. This guy wishes we still had hand wound phonographs for god sake!”
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Ron Paul was first to use the internet for fund raising and to spread his message of liberty. He was ahead of the curve and everyone is copying his success. The other candidates listen to what he has to say, and then try to copy that too…..but their records show them for the liars that they are.
With all that said, the people still listen to the liars…both candidates and media types. If people cannot get their act together and stand for the Thomas Jefferson of our time, then I do not want to hear anyone blubbering about “how did America stray so far from her foundation?”
Sounds to me like Americans want to be like everyone else. hmmmm I remember learning about that before somewhere. Oh yes…. It is in the Bible. Israel cried out to God for a King because they wanted to be like “the nations”. So God gave them what they wanted. Saul.
Report Post »Look long and hard into what you hold in your hearts, Americans, because from ‘what the heart is filled with, that is what the mouth speaks of’.
Does America want Liberty to just die a quiet death? Sure looks that way to me.
soybomb315
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 9:46pmRon Paul has a plan to fix the border immediately. Stop patroling the afgan/pakistan border and use those resources to patrol our own border.
Nobody else has any ideas except Newt. Newt said he would build a fency (yea right) after 1 year
Report Post »JP16
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 9:44pmEver hear about the tunnels, not sure a giant fence will do much to prevent those. Now, take away the freebies and maybe we’ll see some improvements.
Report Post »circleDwagons
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 10:15pmland mines, warnings in english
Report Post »ISRAEL_IS_NOT_THE_51ST_STATE_AND_SPIES_ARE_NOT_ALLIES
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 10:58pmTake away the freebies for everyone!
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 9:42pmIf you think Ron Paul is wrong on immigration…Which candidate has a better position, and why?
Newt wants a form of amnesty, mitt likes the illegal grandmas, and rick says illegals are illegal (brilliant)
Report Post »mr.goodvibe
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 10:26pmSantorum, the law is the law! Unless we want a benevolent dictator to rule us serfs.
Report Post »krjones
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 10:37pmI am a Paul guy but he is wrong on this. None of them seem willing to deport these people and cut all support (welfare, health care, education, etc.)
Report Post »American Soldier (Separated)
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 11:16pmHis main plan IS to cut welfare and benefits for illegals. That’s his point! No fence or extra guns needed, just remove their incentive to be here and we’ll be able to reduce illegal immigration.
Report Post »fcbs46
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 9:40pmRon Paul is an old puff of cow gas.
He should go rock himself to sleep on his front porch.
Report Post »girlnurse
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 11:29pmYea I bet you‘ll wish you could run and bike the way he does when you’re 76!!! Haha
Report Post »The old dude is in shape!
Baddoggy
Posted on February 2, 2012 at 2:23amAll you have is name calling and no suvstance. Huffpo is missing an idiot.
Report Post »JJohnGalt2
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 9:40pmDo NOT Break the Law. IlIegcal is as Illegal Does> And I am a *******, otherwise Ron Paul is absolutely correct.
Report Post »ares338
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 9:37pmOh yeah that’ll work. Oh pease Mr. Illegal Alien, don’t cross into our country. Thank you very much and we trust you.
Report Post »thriceconcussed
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 10:08pmYeah, a group of angry rednecks with Budweiser on their breath, and baseball bats should round them up, beat them, then throw them out, right?
Report Post »American Soldier (Separated)
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 11:19pmWhy wouldn’t it work? No birthright citizenship, your child will remain a mexican citizen. No welfare. No drivers license. No work. No education. No voting rights. If caught committing a crime, deported. How could they survive over here if they can’t get any money or other benefits?
Remove the incentive to move to America and you reduce the issue. You‘ll never get rid of it completely but it’ll be greatly reduced. Not only do we save money by not wasting those tax dollars on illegals but we also save money by not having to spend more billions we don’t have building a fence and more billions paying armed guards to be within arms reach of each other along the boarder.
Report Post »fcbs46
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 9:32pmWhere do illegals have the right to freedom. Freedom of what? The freedom to come here and steal jobs? I know several guys that a long time ago started their bushiness’s by walking up to a job site and getting on as a carpenter or doing an apprenticeship as a plumber. It can’t be done today the legals and illegals have all but taken over most of the trades. It leaves a lot of Americans that don’t have any desire to be doctors and lawyers and such (couldn’t help it) out in the cold. Not a;ll Mexicans work as lettuce puckers.
Report Post »TXPilot
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 9:41pmOh, here we go again……Paul is exhibiting his vast ignorance, because never mind the illegals streaming across the border for jobs, what we have to worry about are terrorists. If something isn’t done, we are going to be having regular attacks inside the US, and the animals who perpetrate it, will have walked across our border. I hope everyone is aware, that when the Soviet Union fell, several of their smaller battlefield nukes went missing, and are still unaccounted for to this day…..it isn’t difficult to guess where at least one of them may have ended up. There might be something more than drugs coming across our border in a backpack. But I guess, if a US city disappears in a mushroom cloud, maybe more people in this nation will wake up and take things seriously.
Report Post »A Conservatarian
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 10:01pmTXPilot, you fall for all that propaganda crap pretty easy. I bet you were one of those guys that went crazy over tighter borders and more police and government when the Anthrax was being sent by mail everywhere.
Interesting when they found out it was military weapons grade no? The kind only the US military can produce… Mmmmhm.
Enforce the laws on the books, no new laws, enforce residency status checks at voting booths and for all jobs, bingo.
No need to spend money on gas deporting, let them walk back across the southern Arizona desert in the summer, again, except headed south :) Ron Paul 2012.
Report Post »justangry
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 10:27pm@TXPILOT, Yeah, the leaky southern border has always bugged me with the terrorist threat. I know RP said on numerous occassions he’d have our troops from the Afganistan/Pakistan border patrol ours. Complicated issue for sure.
Report Post »justangry
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 9:28pmAnyone have a link to the full speech?
Report Post »JustMel71
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 9:56pmI can’t find the full speech either JustAngry but the story came from LA Times & Huffington Post and the wording is almost exact in both articles as it is on here. Go figure. ;)
I did find tho Dr. Paul on John Stossel’s show and it pretty much explains his position.
Ron Paul on Illegal Immigration and Amnesty STOSSEL.wmv
Report Post »http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JllI9XsAjaU
justangry
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 10:08pmThanks Mel
Report Post »Bonnieblue2A
Posted on February 2, 2012 at 12:42amhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13iptv-DZrk
Report Post »dtsiouts
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 9:28pmI am a Libertarian also, but I have Conservative views on some issues such as Foreign policy. I don’t understand Dr. Paul’s position on the illegal immigrant issue. No one suggests taking illegals to the gas chambers, but how exactly do you solve the problem of millions of people being in this country who have no legal right to be here? I don’t think that the concept of individual liberty, a mainstay of the Libertarian philosophy, applies to violating the right of a sovereign country to keep you out. You have no business here if you are not a citizen. I would like for a televised debate with the candidates to explore exactly what he would do to maintain our sovereignty, but execute a “Compassionate” solution to rectify the lawbreaking activities of illegals. By lawbreaking I mean the act of being in the USA without legal right to do so. I think I may have missed something in the article, or I don’t understand the Libertarian ideals like I thought I did.
Report Post »hauschild
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 9:32pmThe problem I have with people bashing Paul’s views on “illegal” immigration is that these same people actually believe our government has done everything it could have done to prevent it. I mean, it’s a complete joke.
We have an illegal immigration problem because the majority of people in this country don’t care.
Report Post »islamhater
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 9:59pm@HAUS: Really no one cares? What you been smoken ? It’s the government that does not care. Everyone i know does not want them hear. If you believe that you can’t round them up and send them home your crazy. Send them all home i would like my roofing company back and my wages..I worked alot of years in the roofing business. i made 200$ a week when i started my finger tips actually would be bleeding from all those fiberglass shingles.every morning my hands would be swollen till i worked it out. ankles/knees/back all hurt. But i loved it working outside building something with your hands.i was makeing over a thousand a week easy when they all came in from Oklahomo cause of a big hail storm. my pay went down to 3 maybe 4 hundred a week gross. Ya your right no one cares atleast not the one it don’t effect. We are screwed… good bye U.S.A.
Report Post »mr.goodvibe
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 9:59pmAnd who are all these people that think the Government has done all they can. I have’nt met one although I have not met everyone in the country.
Report Post »3monkeysmomma
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 10:30pmIf the USA would just ENFORCE the laws we already have that would solve 95% of the problem.
I do trust Paul to handle this effectively, and I’m in AZ so its a really important issue to me.
Report Post »A Conservatarian
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 11:39pm@3monkeys I’m in Arizona too, I don’t want any of the new laws proposed by any of the other wanna-be conservative candidates. Newt worst of all with his new democratically elected citizens brought to you by your local community organizers.. ugh, ‘immigration reform’ by romney and santorum with all their new laws, ditto. Only Paul is saying enforce the laws we have now and they’ll self-deport, no need to build a wall and if problems on the borders include terrorists, put the military on the border, otherwise, let the illegals pay to make their own way back home; they paid to get up here, let them pay the coyotes to get back. Lets see all the local communities put water jugs out in the desert so they don’t die of thirst going back home.
Report Post »momprayn
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 9:26pmIt‘s just too bad he’s like this re borders, some of the foreign policy (erroneous ideas about Islam and why Muslims do what they do). I agree with most of the other stuff he says, as probably a good portion of the rest of us. He seems to be utterly naive and not understand human nature re these issues and it‘s obvious he hasn’t researched Islam – which is strange since I would think if he was going to make this one of his main beliefs, that he would have researched it. He was probably a great doctor & has the intellect, but it just seems when it comes to this kind of stuff, he goes off into “liberal” La La Land and unfortunately it’s a very, very important issue to know. I’d love him to be Sec. of Treasury though !
Report Post »justangry
Posted on February 2, 2012 at 8:45amI understand where you’re coming from. Still I’m going out on a limb by trusting him. I firmly believe that his delivery is his weakness rather than his actual policies. I‘d really love to see him put out a detailed written statement on how he’d keep radical islam at bay while he reduces our overseas presence, or a question and answer session where people can grill him on specifics.
Report Post »cuinsong
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 9:19pmHay Ron, You have told us what you do not like to fix the problem but not what we should do? If you say I support a comprehensive approach then that covers a lot of territory and can be very vague! Now from listening to you on other subjects you always have answers on just about anything that people ask you about and actually you seem to be very outspoken and opinionated! So Why the less then specific answer? Is it that you are maybe PANDERING just a little, yes? No not the plane spoken out of left field Ron Paul?????? Hay Ron this song fits you maybe better then Obama
Report Post »“Don’t get him started”
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soybomb315
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 9:35pmIf you have paid attention, he has provided a lot of ideas that he is for
Report Post »1. getting rid of federal entitlements that incentivize illegals to come. Such as free healthcare and education
2. Let each state decide what the best policy is for policing the border
3. Not rely on a physical fence (expensive and practically impossible to build) and instead bring the troops home and use their resources to patrol border (aerial and on the ground)
4. Increase legal immigration. The reason we have so many illegals is that our government has severely restricted the amount of work visas. Better for immigrants to come legally than illegally
JJohnGalt2
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 9:44pmImigration is the Responsiblity of the FEDS. We must live with thta unsavory thought.
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 9:59pmWhat i meant was ‘policy’. For instance, arizona might want a fence but New mexico might want drones. Feds can block grant the money to each state.
It has been a federal responsibility from the begining, and how well have they done? How well did george bush handle the border during his 8 years? If George ‘national security’ Bush could not handle the border, what makes you think another president will?
Report Post »mr.goodvibe
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 10:03pm3. Not rely on a physical fence (expensive and practically impossible to build) and instead bring the troops home and use their resources to patrol border (aerial and on the ground)
“The one thing I have resisted and condemned: I do not believe that barbed-wire fences and guns on our border will solve any of our problems,” he said
Something is not jiving here!
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 10:15pmI can see reason might not work with you. Our border is vast and the terrain difficult. A fence across the entire border is costly and that is why they will never build one. But like I said, you can have a virtual fence using patrols/drones/etc. It can easily be done if we bring some of the troops home from afganistan. I dont know what your objection is
Report Post »mr.goodvibe
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 10:43pmI don’t have an objection to bringing the troops home, but supposedly the good Dr. does not want to use military force and fences to protect our border then what are they going to do yell at them in spanish and dodge bullets. I have an idea why don,t we take the billions in welfare and medicaid fraud perpeptrated by illegal identity theives and build a fence. What are drones going to do take pictures cause they sure as hell won‘t fire warning shots and then big sis will have them at here control and we know the government would never use a peice of surveilance equipment for other than it’s intended purposes. I won’t go alinsky on you and call you names ulnlike your veiled comment on my intelligence at the begining of your post. Ron is not benevolent, he has been a politician for a long time and is running for office, he is pandering to hispanics why else would he have ” Fernando Cortes, Paul’s director of Hispanic outreach ” if we are all equal under the constitution. I am questioning with boldness as Jefferson said. Is that enough reason?
Report Post »Shasta
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 10:45pm@mr.goodvibe, thank you for noticing the discrepancy. But to be fair to Ron, he was being a typical politician, by pandering to the hispanics. Like the rest of them, his message changes depending on who is audience is.
Report Post »Seraphim0517
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 10:58pmSoybomb what he is clearly pointing out is paul‘s stating that he doesn’t believe in having guns on the border and your repeated assertions that he would put troops on the border do not “jive”. I have wondered this myself. Does he plan to police our borders with unarmed military? Unarmed drones? It doesn’t seem to make much sense to me to have no enforcement. Enforce our laws already on the books. But with what, a stern look?
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 11:37pmI see the confusion now. He talks all the time about bringing the military deployed overseas back home to patrol the border. I think the article is misleading. We dont have the video so it’s hard to be sure – but when he says “barbed wire and guns”, he is probably talking about a military zone like they have in north/south korea. That is more of a prison/mega-state situation
Of course there is a little bit of pandering but i have never seen ron paul contradict himself on important principles. So i think there is something lost in the article translation
Report Post »I.Gaspar
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 9:12pmI guess if Paul were elected he’d do away with all identification laws, including drivers licenses…because they’re “nought fayeh”
Report Post »Everything will be on the honor system and the people who want to kill us will be welcomed with open arms…
And the national bird would be the ostrich instead of the Bald eagle…
justangry
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 9:24pmDo you have a federal driver’s license? His views on a federal ID have not changed. He said the same thing in the 2008 debates.
Report Post »zoose
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 9:33pmRon Paul just dropped off my radar for a presidential candidate. Is he trying to get the Hispanic vote at the last minute?
I want the southern borders sealed so not even a rat can come across.
Report Post »3monkeysmomma
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 10:33pm@ ZOOSE
Report Post »A fence is expensive and time consuming and would take years to build. We can “seal the border” with human assets almost immediately and deal with the ones already here by enforcing existing laws.
soybomb315
Posted on February 2, 2012 at 12:05amGaspar, that is a stretch. You folks are so quick to demonize ron paul but he is the only candidate talking about the constitution and libertry. I guess it shows how far the republican party has drifted away from the founders.
Some day (maybe soon) you will see how important ron paul was and wish you paid more attention to him and supported him. Have it your way, lets keep going down the path towards…massive debt and crushing inflation, internet shut down, you get drafted into the army to fight iran, 90% tax rates, government death panels, and government detaining/assassinating american citizens.
Report Post »rush_is_right
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 9:12pmlooks like santorum is the only one who doesn’t want to turn us into norte mehico…
VIVA LA RAZA….
this country will become a third world barrio…..see detroit…
Report Post »endgamer
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 9:12pmTHE reason for coming here to work is because of the benefits they receive from the government AND the BIG agra businesses that hire them as migrant workers. Why do you think they are here? Without them no one picks the food we eat. No one wants the dirty jobs. Ask the 99% at the occupy rallies if they’d pick strawberries for a living.. Follow the money and you will always find the answer. Immigration law is a big sham. They don’t want to enforce anything because of cheap labor. The taxpayer picks up the rest of the freebies. Immigrants aren’t the problem, the government freebies are. Common sense prevails here. Ron is correct again. No one should be required to carry papers with the exception of a drivers license. The ID is all over TAXES. Ron Paul will eliminate the income tax so there will be no need to file papers to work. The next thing progressives want is putting an RFID chip in everyone and when they turn off the chip, you’re done. So the next time you eat a tomato or a strawberry it wasn’t a white guy that put it on your table, it was likely a migrant worker earning per deim pay. Get rid of the taxpayer funded government cheese and things will change.
Report Post »M13
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 9:37pm“Progressives want to put a chip in everyone”, I see you are a member of The Church Of Perpetual Conspiracy. Ron Paul is the POpe and Alex Jones and Jessie Ventura are Arch Bishops.
Report Post »fcbs46
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 9:38pmB. S. Many come here to stay here and work as trade workers. Don’t believe it, look at a building site very few white guys left and not because of poor wages either.
No they come send money home (by the millions)and take good jobs away from Americans Yes many are shadow workers Illegals folks. They stay here and try to make this Mexico North
Report Post »mr.goodvibe
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 10:12pmfcbs46, surely you don’t mean the south american marxist known as La Raza.
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 10:45pmM13 Yeah…and the Progressives don’t want to place sugar in the same category as Alcohol and Cigarettes.. And the progressives weren’t all about Global Warming , Cap and Trade and Obamacare.. THey don’t want to tax us into oblivion.and place all of the power into the hands of the government..They were thrilled to death when the population reached 6 billion and are even more thrilled that it has reache 7. They have a plan to get us out of debt and will have us out of debt really soon.. They don’t want bigger government and want only the best for us…oh..and here’s a link proving that that chip is bogus..
Report Post »http://news.cnet.com/2009-1008_3-5318076.html Those crazy Paulies!!!
louise
Posted on February 2, 2012 at 6:41amGreat post Endgamer
Report Post »Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 9:11pmHow about an immagration policy that works. Send out predator drones, ground sensors, anyone who crosses the border..BOOM. If they want to come over, go through the checkpoints, NO BOOM. Simple, and that goes for our southern border also.
Report Post »circleDwagons
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 10:22pmland mines are cheaper
Report Post »imsteph
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 9:00pm“Paul also said he was against laws that require immigrants to carry proof of legal status. He says he doesn’t want to live in a country where people are required to carry identity papers.”
Hey Ron—you already do! You can’t drive a car, go to a school, purchase something with anything other than cash without showing your id, get into your GYM, etc….
Some states have laws on their books that if you must have id on you at all times in public…
Report Post »Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 9:30pmIf we follow him and his policies, we will be a third world nation, then we won’t have an immigration problem, just an emigration problem.
Report Post »mr.goodvibe
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 10:06pmI guess I don’t need this damn drivers license anymore. If Ron Paul becomes president I am going to sue my employer for asking about my citizenship status, they have no right.
Report Post »ISRAEL_IS_NOT_THE_51ST_STATE_AND_SPIES_ARE_NOT_ALLIES
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 11:47pmDeport them all! Deport the anchor babies! End the welfare state! Buchanan2012!
Report Post »Tri-ox
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 9:00pmOpen borders are not the answer.
Report Post »dealer@678
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 9:09pmWhat would Paul say is one of em stole his SS #
Report Post »MrMagoo
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 8:59pmRon Paul should be sent a itemized $bill$ for illegal immigrant healthcare costs in the USA.Especially hospital emergency rooms.Like a typical politician,he talks out of both sides of his mouth.Or his ass.
Report Post »Keep smiling Ron.All the attention and clapping will fade away like a fart in the wind.
UBETHECHANGE
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 8:53pmRon Paul is solid on our fiat money and ending the fed, but other than that he’s a kook! Santorum 2012!
Report Post »lel2007
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 8:53pmAn Immigration Policy That Doesn‘t Rely on ’Barbed-Wire Fences and Guns? Gosh, that’s what we have now. If Paul were to eliminate that annoying border thing we wouldn’t have to concern ourselves with silly immigration policies.
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