Penn Jillette Presents: ‘An Atheist’s Guide to the 2012 Election’
- Posted on December 31, 2011 at 10:24am by
Madeleine Morgenstern
- Print »
- Email »
Big Think
Magician and comedian Penn Jillette sounded off on the 2012 election earlier this month in a video from website Big Think. A noted atheist, he laid his thoughts out in the aptly-titled, “An Atheist’s Guide to the 2012 Election.”
A few tidbits from Big Think:
• On Barack Obama: You have two choices with Obama. You either believe that he is a man of Christ…or you think he’s a liar. And I’m surprised by the number of atheist free thinkers that support Obama and their argument is essentially, he’s lying about being religious ‘cause you have to do that to be elected. I’m not happy with either one of those….It’s a horrible reason to like somebody. I like him because he might be a liar. Horrible.
• On Michele Bachmann: I have tried with friends to say the most blasphemous sentence I can possibly say and it does not come close to the blasphemy of Michelle Bachman saying that earthquakes and hurricanes were the way God was trying to get the attention of politicians.
• On Mitt Romney: Under his pants, he is wearing magic underwear. Magic underwear. And he believes that a convicted con man got golden tablets that no one else could see, and sat with an angel to find out that the original Jews of the Bible were living in North America. Crazy, crazy, crazy, crazy.
(h/t BoingBoing)
Popular Stories
Paper Details Obama Admin’s Alleged Secret Note Sent to Iran: If Israel Attacks, We Won’t Get Involved 575 Comments
‘Made Up Religion’: TV Historian Enrages Muslims, Receives Threats After Producing UK Documentary Questioning Islam’s Beginnings 404 Comments
This Is the Creationists‘ Response to Scientist Bill Nye’s Viral Pro-Evolution Video Claiming They Harm Children 403 Comments
Roseanne Barr: Most Billionaires ‘Violent Pedophiles’ & ‘Heartless’ Cocaine Addicts 372 Comments
President Obama Issues Major ‘Green Energy’ Executive Order 340 Comments
Faith
- This Is the Creationists‘ Response to Scientist Bill Nye’s Viral Pro-Evolution Video Claiming They Harm Children 403 Comments
Pakistani Muslim Cleric Accused of Framing Disabled Christian Girl in Koran-Burning Case Read More- ‘Made Up Religion’: TV Historian Enrages Muslims, Receives Threats After Producing UK Documentary Questioning Islam’s Beginnings 404 Comments
Meet the Controversial German Imam Accused of Brutally Beating His Wife & Pushing Sharia Law Read More
‘Self-Proclaimed Messiah’ & Unification Church Leader the Rev. Sun Myung Moon Has Died — Here’s His Life Story Read More
Business
- President Obama Issues Major ‘Green Energy’ Executive Order 340 Comments
- Germany’s Upcoming Court Ruling Will be Huge for the EU Read More
Ford Looks to Beat Toyota for Best-Selling Car in 2012 With This Model 150 Comments
Bernanke & QE3: Here’s What You Need to Know Read More- ‘Extortion’: Why Did the Labor Department ‘Drop the Hammer’ on Oregon Farmers? 302 Comments
Technology
- This Is the Creationists‘ Response to Scientist Bill Nye’s Viral Pro-Evolution Video Claiming They Harm Children 403 Comments
‘TaserDrone’: Hackers Weaponize Quadcopter With Actual ‘Shocking’ Technology Read More
Ever Heard of the Wild ‘Burning Man’ Festival in the Middle of the Nev. Desert? Here’s Your Primer Read More
Stanford Develops Technology ‘Better Than Steroids’ for Athlete Recovery Read More
Have You Pretended to Know What ‘the Cloud’ Is? You’re Not Alone Read More
Submitting your tip... please wait!
Comments (531)
Look4DBigPicture
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 11:46amNot sure why anyone would care about Jillette’s opinion. He has a right to an opinion, and I have a right to ignore it. Done.
Report Post »audiemurphy
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 12:44pmamen!
Report Post »NOBAMA201258
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 1:49pmAtheists suck!
Report Post »bolsen00
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 6:51pmLook4dbigpicture–Well said! I’m done!
Report Post »Cat
Posted on January 1, 2012 at 9:44amIsn’t this the magician who stood in front of a Colt Python .357 Magnum and captured a bullet in his teeth simultaneously with his stage partner Teller?
Report Post »Smoke and mirrors
RRFlyer
Posted on January 1, 2012 at 11:21amTrue. who cares what he thinks.
Report Post »AOL_REFUGEE
Posted on January 1, 2012 at 12:44pmJust because atheists don‘t believe anyone ELSE’S beliefs or opinions doesns‘t mean that THEY’RE right.
Report Post »PAR
Posted on January 1, 2012 at 5:43pmAmen x 2
Report Post »TotallyBelievableGuy
Posted on January 1, 2012 at 9:41pmAre the comments sections here real? I‘m invoking poe’s law.
Report Post »rogerover12
Posted on January 1, 2012 at 10:42pmyou believers are mental midgets
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on January 2, 2012 at 2:57am@roger12 Hear hear, they are unwilling to leave the comfort zone of “imaginary parent love” for reason and rational thinking.. that type of thinking includes the very humbling notion of admitting to “having no f’ing clue” about things in the universe.
Report Post »jamestoms
Posted on January 2, 2012 at 8:04amYes he has interested the odd ball personalities, first lie the devil dosen‘t exist or that GOD dosen’t and he was swayed. Must come from FU family!
Report Post »PRRedlin
Posted on January 2, 2012 at 3:53pmAs an atheist, what makes me laugh is when someone who is relatively famous (in this case for being an entertainer) tries to influence other atheists to believe a certain way. The reason I am not a theist is because I have read and educated myself to everything that I can, and have realized that not one man or woman knows for fact of anything to be true any more than any other individual (as in no one can prove anything one way or the other, and anyone who says they can is either lying to you, or themselves). For Penn to assert that fellow atheists should believe and follow a particular candidate on the sole basis of philosophical belief is just as hypocritical as any religion preaching for masses to act in a particular way.
Using atheism as a means to influence others is wrong in my opinion.
Report Post »downersrevenge
Posted on January 2, 2012 at 8:02pmDouble amen! Why do we care? I certainly do not.
Report Post »K Chad Roberts
Posted on January 3, 2012 at 4:07pmTry to listen to it, the entire video. You don’t have to agree, but that view point (atheist or agnostic) is shared by a lot of people. I am a supporter of the tea party, and would vote for Bachman, Palin, Perry or Santorum… and I would have last year too. I am also an atheist. It would do you a lot of good to try and understand Penn’s point of view.
Not agree, but understand and empathize. I know the message of Jesus Christ, I’ve read the bible and have attended Church, I do not bash religion, but rather protect it and defend it in front of those who would, but I do not believe in it myself. COULD you (not would) defend atheism? Both as a point of view, as well as what the belief itself is? If you CAN not, then you do not understand it. I do not expect you do so if you could, but it is frustrating that Atheists are expected to pay attention and know the word of God, while Christians and other religious folk make no attempt to understand Atheists.
I urge you to watch some more content by Penn and/or Teller. They lay out their arguments in an organized (albeit carelessly offensive way sometimes) and clear way. They do not represent all of my point of views, but they are logical in their arguments (usually). http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/logical
Report Post »JustPeachy
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 11:41amI am sincerely amused by this comedien, but not in the way he’d probably think (his attempted humor). It’s his sincere attempts to try to explain and define so many other “religions” while being a self-proclaimed “atheist,” himself! LOL
He sounds like a bad sermon! He rambles and goes on and on and on. . . and for the most part it seems he is talking about things of which he really has no clue–but he’s trying his darndest to explain things “to the rest of us” (or whoever he thinks is listening to him). LOL
It’s the “World According to Jillette.” LOL Sounds also like he is trying to speak for all atheists everywhere.
Honestly, he’s not the greatest speaker, is he? But I guess this wasn’t exactly a “speech,” but just ramblings from yet another (again self-professing) “free thinker.” LOL
Funny vid! I’m trying to listen to all of it, but at about 13 minutes into it, I am thinking, “What the HECK is he talking about?!?” LOL Now he’s talking something about snakes. . . (must be referring to politicians.. lol!)
Report Post »Donttredonme
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 11:56amdamn youre stupid haha
Report Post »JustPeachy
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 12:03pm@Dontreadonme: You really think so? Why? Since to say such a thing must mean you see yourself as my intellectual superior. . . please enlighten us all with your wisdom. :)
Report Post »YepImaConservative
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 12:40pm> JUST PEACHY. JUST Another Ron Paul supporter who has Thrifty-Liberal-Tourettes-Syndrome. If you had ended your comment Ron Paul, 2012. He’d have been giving you a reach around no matter what the topic, no matter what you’re opinion.
Report Post »West Coast Patriot
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 5:59pmYep, you just cannot go a day without bashing either Ron Paul in some way. That is because you are a progressive and are part of what has brought this country to the brink of disaster. Face up to the fact that your kind will always be bad for liberty and freedom.
Report Post »I will put it on here. Ron Paul 2012.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4LWJ1l6onU&feature=endscreen&NR=1
West Coast Patriot
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 6:03pmDonttread, C’mon man, there are others to battle here that are on here to just bash Paul like Yepimaprogressive, Republicorp and the like. At least Peachy is not a Paul basher.
Report Post »AgentP
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 10:33pmL to the LOL
Report Post »Jaycen
Posted on January 1, 2012 at 6:19pm“Yep, you just cannot go a day without bashing either Ron Paul in some way. That is because you are a prog”
Ron Paul is extremely Progressive. He’s finally being called out on his anti-Semitism. Still, you say he’s not? What’s it going to take to convince you that being right on 1 issue is not the same as being a Constitutional Conservative?
Don’t you think men like Wilson, Truman, and Roosevelt also invoked the Constitution in their rhetoric? Don’t you think they occasionally said inspiring and wonderful things that people like us would embrace? But those instances must not be examined in a vacuum. You have to take his entire body of work and look at the whole.
Ron Paul is not the Candy Man. He’s crazy-dangerous.
Report Post »rogerover12
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 11:34amHis points are valid. Very Valid yet the religious have to answers to his points. Just go to name calling like Hannity would do.
Not a fan of Bill Maher http://youtu.be/-S77CUFQPPg , Oreilly gets owned
Report Post »moodtd01
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 11:34amIf anyone including a believer but especially a non-believer were to read the same chapter of the Bible everyday and that is all they read of the Bible then perhaps their understanding of the Bible would be a bit skewed.
Report Post »Many of the problems “christianity” has is that they do not read God’s word and put it all together and into context. Just reading a small portion of it will not give one the whole story or big picture.
Most of the “off” branches of christianity have taken the Bible and picked out a verse here and a verse there and made entire doctrines out of them. Then some go even further and add to God’s word such as the Mormons or Catholics, or they take away some of it such as the Jehovah’s Witnesses.
Proverbs 30:5-6 “Every word of God is pure; he is a shield to those who put their trust in Him. Do not add to His words, lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.”
But even some of the more “mainstream” denominations do this by taking verses out of context to match their own ideas. I have been to several different denominations in my life and do not believe that any one of them is correct. Much of the problem found with christianity is not because it is not good or does not make sense but because we as christians have not been faithful Bereans.
Psalm 14:1 The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds, there is none who does good.
Heb4Seven
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 12:44pm@moodtdo1: Amen!
Report Post »Luke21
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 12:47pmAmen, excellent analysis. One caution: don’t throw the baby out w/ the bath water. The Church is God’s idea & belongs to Christ (His bride). It is imperfect because it is made up of repentant sinners in the process of sanctification but yet to be perfected (glorified) – I.e. sin still dwells in the mortal flesh (Romans 7 & 8). Also, as you suggest, many wolves have crept in.
Point being: while no denomination has perfect doctrine (at least in the “free” world – ‘Smyrna’ seems to be alive in Asia, part of Africa, & the muslim middle East – hence Jesus’ letters to the 7 churches in Rev 2 & 3) we still need to be in fellowship otherwise we become stray sheep.
The enemy has done a masterful job of dividing the “Church” over non-essential issues. Aside from the “sects” that deny Christ’s identity (the ONLY begotten Son – i.e. of the same nature) as well as their own: mainly that they are sinners saved by God’s grace not their own “good” works (& while we will be given the right to be called sons of God that doesn’t mean we will be God), God fearing, Christ & brethren loving, Christians need to remain united & edify (& yes rebuke/correct – especially false doctrine) one another. Thanks again for your post – it is “spot on”.
Grace, Peace, & Agapao brother
Report Post »acovenantinblood
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 12:56pmThe real problem with Christianity in America is That in 1790 Charles Lyell wrote a book about how the earth was millions of years old and the Christians didn’t fight that it went against the Bibles timeline. They just made up heresies like day age, progressive creation, and reconstruction between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2. This has led to the systematic destruction in the absolute authority of Gods Word. Even Christians now don‘t believe in It’s authority. I was talking to a Christian relative about a good fire and brimstone sermon and she said that she just didn’t want to think about her God being like that. As soon as you try and interpret God through who you think He is you will always be skewed because of your own sin broken presuppositions. Abraham was asked to sacrifice his son. God never had any intention of letting him do it, He was just breaking Abrahams presuppositions and seeing if he trusted Him even when it made no sense. Ken Hamm explains it best http://www.answersingenesis.org.
Report Post »searching for the Truth
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 1:23pmLuke is very warm.
Report Post »searching for the Truth
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 1:25pmApproved by two or three witnesses.
Report Post »searching for the Truth
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 1:29pmMatthew, Mark, and Luke – the two or more witnesses.
Report Post »searching for the Truth
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 1:37pmDang! How many witnesses these guy’s gotta have – the brave boy that just passed on, the Apostles, the thousands upon thousands , all throughout time, all the miracles and wonders of healing- not by doctors, and others that have seen Angels, as well as other angels. Talk about lack of perception!
Report Post »Chuck Stein
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 1:44pm“Most of the “off” branches of christianity have taken the Bible and picked out a verse here and a verse there and made entire doctrines out of them” —
Report Post »The man-constructed concept (from Greek philosopy, not scripture) of the “Trinity” comes to mind.
moodtd01
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 2:05pm@ Luke. Matthew 16:18 And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. (good hermeneutics/being a good Berean will show you that the Church was not built on Peter/Petras/little pebble, but upon; God, Jesus, Holy Spirit, and the entire word of God/Holy Bible.) I am not saying the Church is bad or wrong, or that even catholics, and mormons are not fellow brothers and sisters in Christ. I am also not saying they are. I am not sure. I will not judge them, except that I will not personally follow their teachings. As far as all the different denominations; while they may have some things wrong ultimately they have the main beliefs right and I do believe we worship the same God. Of course this does not take into account all of the “New Age” type churches that are popping up all over. The ones that do not expressly hold up Christ or the Bible, instead they have a corrupted politically correct, multi-cultural/multi-faith belief system. I cannot for instance accept that a practicing homosexual can be a preacher, anymore than I would accept an active drug abuser/alcohollic as one. Life dominating sin is not a sign of the Holy Spirit in one’s life. Self-control being a fruit of the spirit would also be lacking in such people.
Report Post »Did this make sense or am I just rambling?
Please comment, or criticize, I have thick skin. I can take it.
Luke21
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 2:34pm@ Chuck,
Truth said it best: 2 or 3 witnesses. “Trinity” is not in the Bible. Neither is “Rapture” (unless you read the Latin Vulgate). The Father, the Son, & the Holy Spirit however are all spoken of as God. In the Hebrew Old Testament, the English word God is generally translated from the Hebrew Elohiym (El-o-heem).
From Strongs: H430 Plural of El; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God;
It denotes a singular plural. Similar to the words “them” or “they” in English. It is why in Gen 1:26 God says “let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness”. In Duet 6:4 it says Hear O Israel, the Lord (YHVH) your God (Eloheem) is one Lord (YHVH). This could be written (not incorrectly) as: Hear O Isra-El: Jehovah your Gods (Eloheem) is ONE Jehovah.
The concept of the Trinity (God in 3 persons) is throughout the Holy Scripture. It’s why the religious leaders sought Jesus’ life (He claimed equality w/ God) – e.g. see John 5:18.
Your challenge is to prove (or disprove) from scripture where the Father, the Son, & the Holy Spirit are all spoken of as God. If you can disprove the notion that that there is more than one person in the Godhead, then post your findings so we may all be corrected or see your error. Of course if you find a fourth person, then many will owe an apology to JS.
Report Post »searching for the Truth
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 2:53pmThe Apostle Paul asks that pastors be of Good report.
Report Post »Luke21
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 3:02pmNo criticism. We are in perfect agreement. Christ will judge all (saved & un-saved – though not alike & not at the same “time”) & He knows His own. I believe the letters to the 7 churches are as much to the individual as they were to the corporate church body.
Thus while I have many issues w/ Catholicism, I will not be surprised to see many Catholics in paradise. I have greater problems w/ Mormon theology – so there I may be surprised, never the less I did witness Glenn Beck give the Gospel on national TV – so if he is trusting in Christ alone (the ONLY begotten Son of God & the maker of all things, John 1 – not the “spirit” brother of Lucifer, a created angel), by grace alone through the atonement, then praise God – Pilippians 1:18. (I’ve also witnessed a Mormon funeral where all glory was given the dead man & his earthly accomplishments rather than the living Creator and His).
Anyway we agree. I was just encouraging you/others to continue in fellowship (not that you aren’t) – Acts 2:42. Charis & Shalom Brother.
Report Post »Luke21
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 3:12pm@ Truth
“The Apostle Paul asks that pastors be of Good report.”
Well that excludes me – praise Jesus I have a day job. ;^)) Never the less I’ll stand w/ you (& mood) as a witness & gather w/ you in His name.
Report Post »searching for the Truth
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 3:13pmThere is only One God . It is said in Scripture by God there is no other God beside Him – not to the left nor to the right. It is also said in Scripture many times – ” Hear ole Israel there is only one God.” All Scripture is exact – absolute – accommodating God’s Word only – not man’s. The Word existed in the beginning , walked on earth, became Flesh, and was sacrificed on the Cross for us- the only One, Perfect, Lamb of God separated from Spirit then United with Himself. Did He pray in the Garden ? Yes, He prayed to His Spirit. God is One, His name is Jesus. We take on His Name with the Baptism – Acts: 2:38 King James .
Report Post »Luke21
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 3:51pm@Truth
Yes, there is ONE God – one in purpose & will. You’re quoting Duet 6:4 (aka “the Shema”). However it does not exclude multiple persons – see the word “Eloheem” (Strongs H430). Jesus said repeatedly that He came in His Father’s name, to do His Father’s will. John 5:30, 5:43, 10:25, 14:13, 14:26; Matt 28:19; Rev 3:5, & so on. He also said He & His Father were one (John 10:30) & yet He said His Father was greater than Him (John 10:29, 14:28). Apparently “God” has an authority structure.
It isn’t a foreign concept. If you are married, you & your wife (husband) are said to be “one”. Well clearly you aren’t the same person, but the truth is as you grow in your marriage you become more & more alike such that the death or divorce of a spouse causes such great pain. BTW marriage (man & wife becoming one “flesh”) was given to reveal a mystery, that of Christ & His bride, the Church. See Ephesians 5.
BTW I’m pretty sure He was praying to the Father in the Garden of Gethsemane:
And [Jesus] said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt. (Mark 14:36, & Luke 22:42, & Matthew 26:39)
Report Post »thriceconcussed
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 4:09pmYou do know that the Catholics were the first Christians, and that they have two thousand years of philosophical tradition behind their claims, right? Reformists made an ignorant Christianity that takes everything in the Bible literally, because reformists allow any uneducated person to make his own interpretation of the Bible. No, I’m not Catholic, i’m actually an agnostic philosopher, but it’s historical fact, sorry.
Report Post »searching for the Truth
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 4:11pmLuke: There are many fields in preaching. It appears to me , the Lord has blessed you with a lot of Wisdom. Use it to witness to the World. I’m not perfect either – but I love to be in obedience to God’s Word. Isn‘t it Wonderful to see someone’s life saved by witnessing to them about the Word. There is no greater reward except Heaven. Many sins are covered by the rescue. Much better – one becomes a warrior. Funny. The Word is a covering for sin – amazing. Nothing can be accomplished without That Name – Jesus – Kinda like pieces of a puzzle that have to fit together just Right. May The Good Lord , be with you and yours.
Report Post »Luke21
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 4:29pm@ Truth,
Amen & ditto. Christ is perfect, & we imperfect, but regenerated, sinners are hidden in His Righteousness. To say any of us completely understands His mind & His ways is a lie. We know Him by what He’s chosen to reveal to us. As one wag put it: A god small enough for man to completely comprehend, is not big enough for him to worship. Suffice to say none of us knows Him perfectly – not yet anyway (1 Cor 13:12). Grace & Shalom in Christ Jesus
Report Post »searching for the Truth
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 4:32pmLuke: Consider this: If God while He walked on Earth had revealed His True Nature, what would have happened to His flock? Study the Word – the Lord reveals – but some things one must keep to oneself. May we meet in Heaven.
Report Post »Luke21
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 5:03pm@Truth,
Good question. Though I don’t have a sufficient answer – maybe all would have been destroyed by the brightness of His glory & majesty. 2 Thes 2:8, Exo 33:18-20.
Anyway I’m looking forward to it (seeing you & our Lord in Heaven). Glory to God in the Highest & on earth peace & goodwill toward men.
Report Post »Chuck Stein
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 5:20pm@ Luke:
Report Post »“Your challenge is to prove (or disprove) from scripture where the Father, the Son, & the Holy Spirit are all spoken of as God. If you can disprove the notion that that there is more than one person in the Godhead, then post your findings so we may all be corrected or see your error.”
I cannot meet that “challenge” — my understanding of scripture (which, I honestly consider to be less extensive than yours) is that the Father, the Son, & the Holy Spirit are all spoken of as God. But the concept of the Trinity was developed under the influence of Greek philosopy — Aristotle and Plato, in particular. The Trinity formulation was consistent with those well-established beliefs in that part of the world at that time. The Council of Nicea was a political convention to establish uniformity of belief in the Roman Empire. In particular, the “Arian Heresy” was the target of interest.
While there is only one Jesus Christ, we mortals have adopted various understandings of Him.
(1) Homoousian — Nicean (“Trinitarian”) Christians (the majority of Christians).
(2) Homoiousian — Christians beleiving that Jesus and God the Father are of similar — but not the same — substance.
(3) Heteroousian — Christians believing that the substance and nature of God the Father and Jesus are different.
Traditionally, Homoousian Christians have been less accepting of other Christians. Not that there’s anything WRONG with that.
Luke21
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 5:25pm@thriceconcussed
While I agree Catholicism is rooted in Christianity, Catholics weren’t the first Christians (meaning followers of Christ). The first followers of Christ were in Judea. They were by & large Jews (see Acts chapter 2). If two thousand years of men’s traditions makes perfect then why did Christ rail so against the philosophies & tradtions of the Jewish religious leadership (Matthew 15 & Mark 7)? They also had two thousand years of their philosophies & traditions to back them up. Sola Scriptura
Report Post »Luke21
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 8:38pm@Chuck,
Peace. Let us just say we agree. I believe, like you, that scripture teaches that God is revealed in three persons: The Father, the Son (the Messiah), and the Holy Spirit. W/ or w/o a label. I don’t personally have an issue on the word trinity. I may however agree w/ you that it has caused some division which Paul would probably frown upon. No man knows the fullness of the nature of God – save the God-Man Jesus Christ. What we know or can know is limited by our own fallen nature & what is revealed in scripture. Suffice to say we won’t know the fullness of God and His nature until we are united w/ Him.
While we believers may differ slightly on the full, absolute nature of God and what if anything distinguishes the Father, Son, & Holy Spirit (I suspect all of us may be wrong in one way or another), I consider all who call on Christ as God their Savior – their “Passover” lamb, their acceptable sacrifice before a Holy God – to be my brother. Those that deny the divinity of Yeshua (Jesus), the Messiah, understand neither their predicament (the sinful, fallen nature of all mankind) nor the purpose of Christ’s atonement on the cross. The charity, grace & peace of our Lord & Savior be w/ you.
PS your knowledge & understanding is certainly not less than mine.
Report Post »coalfired
Posted on January 1, 2012 at 9:18amWell spoken! Deuteronomy4:2, Proverbs30:5-6, and Revelation22: 18-19 warn us to not add anything to or take anything away from God’s revealed word. Spaced in the beginning, the middle and the very end of the Bible. I would have to believe God means what He said to us.
Report Post »Favored93
Posted on January 1, 2012 at 10:24am@Luke21
Report Post »Glad you are out there Luke! Your posts are right and well thought out.
Favored93
Posted on January 1, 2012 at 10:44amagain@Luke21
Report Post »I could not agree with you more on your assessment of who the bible says will go to heaven and how they get there.
I do not agree with the LDS faith but if a Mormon puts their faith in Christ alone for salvation (though I see what seems to me to be heretical doctrine in the book of Mormon) I see no Biblical reason why I could not expect to see that person in heaven with the saints. Same with Catholics and there are other denominations that say they are Christian but the doctrine is extra biblical.
I too have heard and seen Glenn give the salvation message with such passion and clarity that it rivaled John Hagee.
I said all that to say …. BROTHER I AM GLAD YOU ARE OUT THERE!!!!
Luke21
Posted on January 1, 2012 at 1:15pm@Favored
Thank you brother – all glory to God & our Lord Jesus Christ. If I utter anything of earthly or Heavenly value it is His doing (He used Balaam’s “donkey” after all). All else is the ramblings of a piece of clay. I do thank God for you & other brother’s in Christ & appreciate the encouragement. Keep fighting the good fight brother (Joshua 10:25, 1Tim 6:12) until we are united w/ our God & be strengthened in knowing our redemption is near (Luke 21:28). May God’s Grace & Peace continue to bless you & keep you & yours.
Report Post »martinez012577
Posted on January 1, 2012 at 9:46pm@luke
I love all the Jesus praise. Do you still think you can become like him? Become a god? If so you have missed the point of Jesus Christ.
Report Post »Luke611
Posted on January 1, 2012 at 11:36pm@ martinez012577
” @luke
I love all the Jesus praise. Do you still think you can become like him? Become a god? If so you have missed the point of Jesus Christ….”
I think you have your Lukes mixed up….
Report Post »Yes, I do believe in eternal progression (Romans 8:14-18)
I have not missed the point, I know and recognize the true nature of God. When you do then you will truly recognize the true nature of Christ and the worth of your divine nature.
It is greatly unfortunate that you failed to read my earlier post.
Sleazy Hippo
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 11:34amI do not see why being an atheist is any different than being religious in a cult, how can people who are not saved be considered Christian? It’s as if Muslims and Jews are better than atheists? Right! And not to mention three of our remaining Republican candidates are involved with false religions. What if one of them were elected? Obama is a faithful christian family man and everybody hates him.
Report Post »Favored93
Posted on January 1, 2012 at 11:11amYour premise is not far from the mark. Atheism is a false religion. It is the religion of self and the worship of anything NOT called god. However the difference between being in a false religion like Mormonism (what I think you are referring to) and Atheism is that the Bible says …”the fool has said in his heart there is no God…” and I don’t know about you but I do not want another fool in the white house.
Report Post »Being an Atheist tells the world instantly YOU ARE A FOOL!!! That is why I would vote for a man who is a Mormon even though there is much I disagree with the LDS church about but not an Atheist. A Mormon has hope while the Atheist has outright rejected hope. The atheist if he were our POTUS would not represent the people. 90+% of us believe there is a god. At least some one in a false religion has SOMETHING other then self. IMHO.
Tomas Vergis
Posted on January 1, 2012 at 11:36amAtheism is not a religion. Atheism is simply a lack of belief in a god. Nothing more, nothing less. Atheists come in different shades of philosophy, and not all of them would agree with one another. That defies the concept of a cult. Buddhists, for instance are predominately atheistic, but a good deal of atheists disagree with some of that religion’s teaching about concepts like reincarnation.
As for the Biblical line about fools, I’ve always found that to be condescending. It’s no different than calling all ilk from one political party a certain breed of idiot or prescribing them with certain inherit moral deficiency. Why anonymously cast aspersions such as these on someone’s identity? It‘s God’s way of name calling. It’s so juvenile.
Report Post »Favored93
Posted on January 1, 2012 at 11:43am@Tomas Vergis
Report Post »What is juvenile and arrogant is the Atheistic presumption that you are a god unto yourself and there are no consequences for the choices you make. The height of arrogance is calling God juvenile. The fact is that it is beyond foolish to say there is no god because eternity is longer then you think. And so once again God is right the FOOL has said in his heart there is no god.
Luke21
Posted on January 1, 2012 at 1:05pm@Tomas
It’s even worse than that. The Hebrew word is “nabal (ney-bail)” and means:
nāḇāl: An arrogant bore, dense morally, intellectually, and spiritually. As an adjective or noun, it means foolish, a fool. [I’ve also been told that it is the Hebrew word used to describe insanity]
However your issue is not w/ Favored, your issue is w/ God – He said it. I think you’re right – it is condescending (yielding to inferiors; courteous; obliging). I think God meant it to be. Praise God that He’d speak to us in our vanity! Of course He has every right to do so (condescend). The ultimate condescension was the Cross – & thank & praise the LORD that He condescended!
Men have no idea how offensive it is to The Living God when they exalt themselves above Him, or worship the creation rather than the Creator. The fact that you’re offended by God’s characterization of such a vain philosophy speaks nothing of Him but only your own arrogance.
Perhaps you should read Job 38 – stack yourself up against God:
Job 38 Then the LORD answered … “Who is this who darkens counsel By words without knowledge? Now prepare yourself like a man; I will question you, and you shall answer Me. “Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding. Who determined its measurements? Surely you know!…By what way is light diffused? Can you bind the cluster of the Pleiades, Or loose the belt of Orion?
Report Post »Luke21
Posted on January 1, 2012 at 1:29pm@ Favored – spot on.
@ Hippo: “Obama is a faithful christian family man and everybody hates him.”
What evidence do you have to support such a claim? What fruit has he yeilded or where is he declaring the glory of God & exalting the Lord Jesus Christ? Increasing funding for abortion, redefining marriage (which God gave to man), subjecting generations to the slavery of debt, exalting himself above God, are hardly the fruit of a Christian. Just because I call myself a dolphin doesn’t make me one. Jesus said His own would be their fruit.
I admit I hate his ungodly actions (I hate my own as well), but if I were given an audience w/ him I would (by God’s power & might) give him the good news: repent & call on the name of the Lord (Jesus) & be saved!
Report Post »MONICNE
Posted on January 1, 2012 at 9:05pm@Luke:
Report Post »He says he is Christian and has always behaved morally. He impartilly governs as a secular leader in keeping with our Constitution (although it may not be his personal religious feeling). What do you expect? Do you expect the same fairness from Romney (Mormon) or Gingrich (Roman Catholic)?
Luke21
Posted on January 2, 2012 at 8:51am@MONICNE
@(me):
[He says he is Christian...] – He can also say he’s a dolphin, that doesn’t make him one. Fruit defines a Christian & love for the bretheren (Luke 6, John 13 & 15).
[..and has always behaved morally] – You know this how? Because the “media” that has shielded & spoon fed him has told you such? Whose morals, his own? BTW lying is not a characteristic of a moral man.
[He impartilly governs as a secular leader in keeping with our Constitution (although it may not be his personal religious feeling).] – What Constitution are you referring to? There is no such requirement (secular govenor & please give the separation lie a rest) in the US Constitution – Thomas Jefferson which the ungodly love to hold up as a non-Christian called for regular services in the Capital. Impartially?!? Are we sure we’re talking about the same person?
[What do you expect?].
I EXPECT a man that claims to be a Christian to ACT like one. I expect him to tell the truth, I expect his values & actions to be somewhat in line w/ his God’s. So does Christ by the way & God does not take lightly those that take His Name in vain. Exodus 20:7
[Do you expect the same fairness from Romney (Mormon) or Gingrich (Roman Catholic)?]
Report Post »Absolutely. I expect the same behavior (as Obama), which is why I do not support either of those two candidates. But if either were elected I would hold them to the same standard/expectation.
DefectiveByDesign
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 11:34amNothing more Pagan than Mormonism:
Report Post »http://www.chick.com/bc/1985/mormonism.asp
ZengaPA65
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 11:36amAND they think they’re the only REAL religion.
Report Post »If they didn’t why do they try and convert Christians?
Huckabee Gingrich 12
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 12:12pmWhat’s interesting is the parallels of Mormonism and Islam. Also, it’s no secret that J.S. Jr. was a freemason, and styled his church after masonic ritualism. A close study of LDS doctrines and history proves beyond any shadow of a doubt that the BOM is a fraudulent plagiarism of the KJV and “View of the Hebrews”, perpetrated at a time when the concept of “freedom of religion” was relatively young, and swindlers like Smith were rampantly preying on the superstitious.
I find it fascinating that Glenn Beck seems so close to Penn Jillette, who, although a very smart man, is a vile degenerate. Mormons, in general, don’t “yoke up” with non-believers. I think I saw Jillette on GB’s Fox show one time (or maybe it was on HLN? It was a long time ago) with Beck talking about what great friends they were, and how great he thinks Jillette is. That always struck as quite odd.
Report Post »americanfirst
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 12:25pmAttacking another person’s religion is very weak!!
Report Post »Dominofrost
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 12:47pmhttp://www.deseretnews.com/article/705396590/Sex-banned-until-Warren-Jeffs-prison-walls-crumble-FLDS-relatives-say.html These guys are about as bad as Scientologists. The difference is that Hubbard was smart enough to not get caught.
Report Post »symphonic
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 12:51pmThat article reads like one ignorant person’s OPINION on things. It was really pathetic, and it’s not what the Mormons believe. Its just a whole lot of speculation of a non believer, and none of those ideas are in the doctrines.
Report Post »symphonic
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 12:56pmHuckabee (obvious evangelical here…), you say “the BOM is a fraudulent plagiarism of the KJV and “View of the Hebrews”
Really? You are either 1) ignorant, or 2) willfully a liar, because there is no way that one could read the Book View of the Hebrews and think for a moment that the Book of Mormon with all of its details that have nothing to do with the other is “plagiarism” even slightly. Do you know what plagiarism IS?? Also, the Book of Mormon has some chapters of Isaiah in it, because the prophet Nephi TAUGHT those words to his people. I think that’s a validation myself. Also, the Sermon on the Mount is included in there too when resurrected Christ taught those people as he said He would in the Bible “Other sheep I have which are not of this fold… they shall hear my voice.” Bible prophecy fulfilled.
What is strange is although Matthew, Mark, Luke and John say pretty much the same things about the ministry of Christ, you don’t call them plagiarists. Why is that??
Report Post »martinez012577
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 3:16pm@symphonic
You are right what Penn said was not “doctrine” but it did come from your “prophets”
As far as the View of the Hebrews, alot of interesting ideas from the Book of Mormon are in that book. Golden or yellow plates for example.
Yes the Book of Mormon has a ton of exact quotes from the Bible. Mormons will say, well it came from the same God. But common sense tells us that exact quotes using the English terminology seems to be a far reach 2000B.C. Mormons justify this by saying old Joe was just a boy and that he may have translated the Reformed Egyptian into his language the best he could. On the other side of that, there is no record outside of the Mormon faith saying Reformed Egyptian ever existed and why would the Hebrew people who had their own language and writting use Egyptian anything.
As I have said many times, If you believe in the Bible, there is no way to believe in the Book of Mormon. If you can become a god or that God was a man, you are not worshipping the God of the Bible and Jesus Christ of the Bible.
Report Post »ShiningCityGirl
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 4:50pmOne of my favorite people in the entire world is a Mormon… so before you go and disrespect him, please realize one simple thing…
Is Mormonism a force for good, or a force for bad?
Somebody may have ‘different’ beliefs than you do… If those beliefs do not ‘harm’ anyone, why should anybody else care what they are…?
Life would be SO INCREDIBLY BORING if we all believed the same thing.
‘… and then they came for the Mormons, and I said nothing…
Report Post »And when they came for me, there was nobody left to defend me’…
holy ghostbuster
Posted on January 1, 2012 at 8:19am@SHININGCITYGIRL – It is a force for delusion.
Report Post »Juniemoon
Posted on January 1, 2012 at 9:22amIt’s hard to believe Beck falls for this stuff. It’s not God that is speaking to him. I wish he knew how uninformed and ignorant he looks to people who know God and study the scriptures. Love Jack Chick, thanks for the link.
Report Post »Favored93
Posted on January 1, 2012 at 11:38am@ShiningCityGirl
Report Post »The spirit of what you are saying is right but your premise I think is horribly flawed.
I want to preface this by saying if it neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg do as you wish. You are free and loved.
That being said however it is our job as Christ followers to call out false doctrine and heresy so that the lies of the enemy are exposed and our people do not die.
If a group uses pieces of the Bible to deceive my family why shouldn’t I scream and holler as loud as I can to keep them from it?
The idea that because we are free morale agents means that we are not permitted to call out the lies that are pushed on the dumb masses is a false idea.The responsibility we have for that freedom demands we not keep silent and defend the truth. Because we are called to be salt and light by definition our mandate is to expose heretical and false doctrine.
But always remember we are FIRST called to LOVE AS CHRIST LOVED. If I go around yelling at the Mormon saying you are going to hell and never talking with him and allowing Jesus to love him through me….. then all I am at that point is a spiritual abuser not a Christ follower.
DefectiveByDesign
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 11:31amIt‘s amazing how many people don’t know about the magic underwear. Google it. Romney IS Crazy.
Report Post »theamericanvision
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 11:41amNothing magic, it’s a daily reminder of the covenants made with God.Relax and focus on the issues.
Report Post »Huckabee Gingrich 12
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 12:37pm@VISION
When worn properly, the garment provides protection against temptation and evil
That make them inherently superstitious, i.e., “magic”.
Report Post »mck05002
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 12:54pm@ Huckabee Gringrich…um yeah because you remember the covenants you made, so you aren’t about to go sin or do something evil. i.e. if you were about to commit adultery, maybe as you are undressing you will realize what you are doing and the covenants you have made to remain clean and will stop! Nothing magical or superstitious just a reminder.
Report Post »NOBAMA201258
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 1:48pmThat’s where I keep my magic wand,in my magic underwear !
Report Post »AgentP
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 10:52pmI bet none of the hating hatertons from haterville ever took the missionary discussions, honestly investigated and took the challenge to ask God if the BofM is true. Just saying?
Report Post »ZengaPA65
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 11:17amWhat a buffoon Jillette is.
Report Post »Uranium Wedge
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 11:29amAtheism is just another form religion. Thank you Jillette, for making the case to have some sort religion in your life.
Report Post »HippoNips
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 11:35amPenn Jilliette is a mental midget , like all rancid atheist.
They are missing the ability to handle large concepts and minute details. They live in a world of the most reduced reverse logic. void of reason
Report Post »To counter this obvious fact about their condiditon, they declare themselves the reasonable and well thought
Uranium Wedge
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 11:35amAtheism is just another form of religion. Thank you Jillette, for making the case for having some sort of religion in your life
Report Post »NHwinter
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 11:44amDoes Penn look happy? This election is bringing out more unusual people and giving them headlines. This election has also brought more division amoung Christians. People are more divided than I can ever remember. Mormons have some strange beliefs, but they are good people. Lets stop bashing each other and look at what the candidates are saying they will do. As far as atheist are concerned, I don’t give any validity to anything that comes out of their mouths.
Report Post »chumpThreads
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 11:56am“Atheism is a religion in the same way ‘bald’ is a hair color.”
Report Post »Absalom
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 12:25pm@Chumpthreads,
Just some insight, atheism is a religion and it is a religious belief, and this has been upheld as such by the Supreme Court. Since you only need to believe in an “ultimate reality” to be religious then atheism falls within that category. It is a leap of faith, only their leap of faith is there is no God; therefore it falls within the definition of religious. Furthermore, since you only need to have a state of religious for your belief to be a religion, this would define atheism as a religion.
You might want to do some research before you make simpleton analogies.
One thing I am amazed with is all the ignorant statements being made in these threads by so-called Constitutionalists. Many of you people have missed the mark in your efforts to understand the principles our Founders passed on to us. Stop listening to the mantra and start educating yourselves on the intended concepts the Founders meant for us to have.
Abzz
Report Post »Freedomluver
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 12:27pm@chumpThreads
Report Post »Atheism is a religion where “Nature did it”…which really is just a rehashed form of Pantheism.
ShyLow
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 3:13pmhow are we going to raise the children http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_wkCUxOuiM&feature=related
Report Post »chumpThreads
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 5:49pm@Absolom
In response to a case filed by a prison inmate who was prevented from forming an atheist study group, the court ruled that atheism is protected in the same way religions are under the First Amendment. The decision does NOT mean that atheism is a religion; only that atheists enjoy the same protections in the Constitution.
It does NOT take faith to NOT believe in something. It only takes a lack of belief.
Report Post »Absalom
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 9:16pm@Chumpthreads,
You are focusing on one case (Kaufman v McCaughtry) and skipping Torasco v Watkins and Wisconsin v Yoder…all of which conclude the same statement: “A religion need not be based on a belief in the existence of a supreme being (or beings, for polytheistic faiths).” This holds true to all tests, since Buddhism does not have a supreme being but it has an “ultimate reality.“ Atheism has by default a belief in an ”ultimate reality.” It is dogma, it is a leap of faith (a belief in something without logical proof), it contains an “ultimate reality.” It is therefore a religous philosophy and as such is a religion. All court cases support this and all legal dictionaries support this.
Your definition is falicious in the fact that your beliefs as a religion fail when reversed.
Abzz
Report Post »Favored93
Posted on January 1, 2012 at 11:58am@Absalom
Report Post »Well said!!!!
They have bet their eternity on the BELIEF there is no god. That takes more faith then I have.
Absalom
Posted on January 2, 2012 at 10:56am@Favored93,
Amen! I agree, it takes a greater leap of faith that the universe created itself out of nothing just because Stephen Hawking says so. But all these Big Bang theorists are just closet Catholics anyway, in my view. It was Catholic Monseigneur Georges Lemaitre who brought about the theory and even proved Einstein wrong on universe expansion. What is amazing to me is that athiest who proclaim the science of the Big Bang theory as their counter to God‘s existance are actually closer to Lemaitre’s teachings and God himself than they think.
Abzz
Report Post »Stoic one
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 11:04amnever heard of the guy but….Magic Underwear!?!?!?
HA!
Report Post »wifezilla
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 11:19amYes, mormons have special underwear. Temple garments. Google it.
Report Post »Babeuf
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 11:33amIt reminds me of the alien-lizard-Zionist-Bilderbergers
Report Post »cslemp
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 11:37amEach one of those claims about Mormonism is either a twisted misrepresentation of the truth at best or very nearly a lie. I‘m disappointed in Penn that he’d stoop to South Park-style Mormon bashing. I understand he’s an atheist. Whatever. But I’ve previously seen him display much more respect for beliefs that he knows full well to be reasonable for any faithful person. He knows too many intelligent LDS people to actually believe what he said there. Shame.
Report Post »moodtd01
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 11:39amInterestingly enough, the “magic underwear” have masonic symbols on them. In fact, if you are interested in symbolism many groups around the world throughout history into the present day use some of the same symbols. Do they mean anything? Not sure.
Report Post »ShyLow
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 3:21pmFirst rule of fight club http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUE8VcNlSag&feature=related
Report Post »Mr Galt
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 11:02amI really do appreciate Penn’s wit and insight. I think it’s fine to critique a politician that wears their religion in a way that causes them to say or do ridiculous things or when they use it to deceive people. That said, I think the bit about Romney’s “magic underwear” was unnecessary. I’m not aware of Romney using his religious beliefs to justify his actions or coerce others into thinking his way. And no, I’m not a Romney fan, just making an observation – it’s a bit like going after someone because they have a big nose or live in a funny looking house – how’s it relevant? Who really cares?
Report Post »Vechorik
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 11:03amLegislating morality? Ron Paul won the Family Values Voter Summit 2011 — uses the Constitution and Bible to back his political positions (EXCELLENT)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wnj-5z9NJoY
Report Post »Mr Galt
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 11:13amAs far as “legislating morality”, I think I covered that by saying religious criticism is cheap UNLESS it is used by a politician to “justify his actions or coerce others into thinking his way”. Emmkay? So yes, if a politician uses his/her religion to legislate morality, I think it is appropriate and desirable to critique.
Of course, you can beat on a candidate for their religious beliefs if you want – I just think it makes you look like you’re trying to show everyone how “superior” you are rather than basing your arguments on substantive issues.
Report Post »Rational Man
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 11:26amRon Paul…….Talk about a con man when it comes to family values!
Many Christians who have fallen for Ron Paul’s carefully crafted words, often continue to support him because he loves to quote scripture and founders of our nation. For those with discernment, it is clear that he is constantly selectively quoting The Word of God out of context to try to persuade those who cannot see through his games. When called on his views, he will change the subject to try to make it sound like he is for State’s rights and the constitution and carefully avoids where his radical immoral views lead him.
But Ron Paul’s arguments in this area have duped his followers as the have in other areas. Ron Paul will claim to be prolife while trying to defend the rights of State government to promote murder of little children. His followers will attack Abraham Lincoln for defending freedom from slavery for all Americans by attacking President Lincoln for not holding to Ron Paul’s “State’s rights” views. He will quote Thomas Jefferson but carefully run away from the historical fact that Thomas Jefferson ordered sending our troops to foreign lands to attack muslims even without congressional approval. Ron Paul will defend muslim rights to hide osama bin laden and condemn our troops for attacking osama bin laden because he was on foreign soil. Even with all these contradictions to his propaganda, some continued to call Ron Paul a “conservative” of some kind.
Report Post »Rational Man
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 11:28amcontinued………..
However, in this interview, he has gone too far for even his most devoted followers. Here he challenges even God’s right to view homosexuality as sin. As the word is getting out on this Ron Paul interview attacking God’s view on homosexuality in favor of Ron Paul’s own “complex” perverted view, faithful followers of Christ are showing that they have had enough of his contradictions as they walk away from supporting his campaign. As with all cult followers, once they stop following him, they begin to see all the flaws and contradictions in Ron Paul’s other dogmatic arguments. Some might continue to follow him no matter what, but for faithful Christians, the choice has been made clearer than ever, since Ron Paul believes his own views trump even God’s law of Royal Love.
http://patriotstatesman.com/2011/06/ron-pauls-homosexual-surprise-causes-exodus-of-faithful-followers-of-christ/
Report Post »Babeuf
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 11:32amIt is well known they cheated, the administration told it! Occupy!
Report Post »YepImaConservative
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 11:36am“In a press conference following the announcement of the straw poll results at the annual Washington gathering of social conservatives, Family Research Council President Tony Perkins all but dismissed the results as irrelevant, citing 600 people who registered Saturday morning and, he said, ‘left after Ron Paul spoke.’
A total of 1,983 ballots were cast. ‘You do the math,’ Perkins said.”
Lmao. And while you’re at it VECHORIK post some on-line poll results that weasily Paul supporters never skew either. How’s about that Military support that Paul likes to tout… another internet ruse for rubes. How about the 2, 3 and 4 Blaze accounts that weasely Paul supporters have on The Blaze to support their own positions? How about Ayn Rand’s literature most always being the #1 Book (Atlas Shrugged) on college on-line polls. Good grief man…. stop touting bogus claims about Paul winning this and that due to America’s love for this guy and face the facts.
Report Post »YepImaConservative
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 11:54am> RATIONAL MAN. And we surely know how Ron Paul feels about Israel and Jews. He admitted to one of his early staffers that he has no use for either.
Our faith is founded upon Judaism. It is our root. “if some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, do not boast over those branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you.”
Christianity did not form in a vacuum. Our faith was generated from a consecrated place… Israel… and a chosen people… the Jews. The gospel is a Jewish message about a Jewish Messiah given
to Jewish disciples within a Jewish context. The Bible tells us that salvation is “of the Jews” and that to them “pertain the adoption, the glory, the covenants… and the promises; of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God.”
To not understand where we have come from is to not be clear about who we are, where we are, and where we are going. To be true to the Bible, we have to understand the Jewish heart of the faith we are professing, and we need to understand the people and Scriptures through whom God gave us His Son.
Report Post »metalurgy
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 12:45pmThe Chosen People are the Jews who accepted Christ as the Messiah and accept the Good News of the Gospels. They are no longer Chosen once they reject him. Christ came not to conquer the law but to fulfill it.
Jesus is the Corner Stone (Holy Church) which the Builders (Jews) rejected. So Jesus said he would make his name great among the gentiles.
Paul said preach the Good News first to the Jew, then to the Gentile. But of the “stiff necked” Jews he said if they do not accept your teaching, shake the dust from your sandals and cloak as a testament against them.
Maybe this is why Israel suffers as it does? They do not accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior and therefore are no longer protected.
Your faith teaches you that there is only one way to heaven, that nobody comes to the Father except through Jesus.
Are you saying the Jews can sin all the want and still go to heaven? The rules only apply to gentiles and Jews are exempt? Are you saying Jews have the same standing as the Christian Jews in eternal favor and jugement?
You have some holes in your faith and biblical understanding if you believe that logic.
Report Post »YepImaConservative
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 2:02pm> METAL. I’m assuming you are a Catholic based on what you wrote and my intuition, correct me if I’m wrong however. I too am a Catholic, but don’t subscribe to what you profess based on what I have been taught and later researched, concluded and take as part of my faith and logic.
No Biblical scholar here most definately… I’ll defer to you to fill the holes in my faith and logic… continue on… but I’ll go with what I believe and feel in my heart regarding Jesus, the Jews and Israel.
If we are truly concerned about preaching the gospel, if we are truly concerned about being a witness to the goodness of the name of Jesus, then the fame and honor and accurate representation of the character of Jesus must be at the forefront. Despicable things for centuries have been perpetrated against the Jewish people in the name of Jesus. Israel and Jews matter because our support of her becomes a practical act of repentance for centuries of sin so black and grim by those claiming to be Christians… that it has stained the soul of the Church.
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 3:13pm@YEP Since you are “Biblical Scholar” there Yep..why don’t you try reading Zech 12, 13 and 14…God Himself gathers the nations to go against Israel..Jesus steps in and saves them,,and they realize that it was their own God they pierced..then a fount will be opened for their cleansing..then only one third will hold to their newly found faith and the other two thirds God will let be destroyed..The third that are saved will be counted among the elect to go into the millenial kingdom…The people of the Catholic Church are among the best I have known and this is no reflecttion on them..the muslim people were murderers from the beginning..and that is why God ordered Saul to destroy them..He didn‘t follow God’s directions. The Pope of the era knew the contentions between the Jews and their brothers..so he used a rich woman (who became Mohommads wife and her cousin to help shape Mohammads visions..to raise up a mighty army (Islam) to take Jerusalem for the Vatican,,but Islam kept it for herself switching the story of Issac and Ismael and built the Dome of the Rock there..A month or so ago..the Vatican was calling for all the religions of the world to unite..then just a few weeks back the Vatican spokesman told Bibi Netanyahu that unless he relinuquished the holy sites of Jerusalem..that there would never be peace in the middle east..So you see Yep..we have no control over what happens with Israel..God does..and the Pope,,but only for a short time.
Report Post »Bakko Bomma
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 3:40pmFunny how you skipped over Zech 8:23
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 3:55pmBAKKO OBAMA I just read this scripture..I will research it and get back to you..I knew that there are supposed to be ones clinging to the skirt of a Jew believing he has God with him..but isn’t that what we as Christians have always done? I am all for helping Israel…always have been.. But I see nothing wrong that if war is declared that it should be a Congressional decision.. and to get in and get out..Also..I do not understand why we give much more foreign aide to Israel’s enemies than to Israel..unless it’s just been about the oil all along..also remember..Paul voted for Israel’s right to bomb Iran..no one else did,. Also past Presidents have promoted Israel’s giving up 2/3 s of her land for the sake of peace.Paul never would have.
Report Post »YepImaConservative
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 3:56pm> BAKKO and ASH. And I quote myself….
“No Biblical scholar here most definately…”
So I’ll leave the Zechs up to you to play out between yourselves.
Report Post »metalurgy
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 4:14pm@ Ashes & Yep
Yes, I’m Catholic. I am no biblical scholar either. I continually learn by reading works from the Doctors of Catholic and Protestant Faith as well as Biblical scripture and the Catechism of the Catholic Church written by the late Pope John Paul II. My Catechism and Bible, sit side by side. I use the Catechism for definition, explanation and interpretation. It’s a fantastic work and primary resource.
Ashes, we all have problems interpreting faith. Even leaders of Catholic Faith have committed error/sin. Me included. It‘s man’s nature. My belief system constantly evolves because I keep learning, searching for truth. Allow Yep some latitude when he clearly states he is “no Bible Scholar” and that he disagrees with certain theological principles I hold true. He is on a journey to learn and his belief has evolved precisely because of what he has learned so far, so I have to respect that.
That being said Ashes, interesting you refer to that scripture. I always see correlation, like the 1/3 saved. God in His pure love, gives his creatures free will to choose Him or deny Him. Even the whole host of Angels was given the same choice and 1/3 of those were swept from Heaven and cast down with Lucifer.
Is 1/3 saved, justice for the 1/3 cast down? Both were chosen and written into the Book of Life from the begging. Disobedience is the eraser. We judge ourselves by our actions.
Report Post »Rational Man
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 5:34pm@ashestoashes
“Paul voted for Israel’s right to bomb Iran..no one else did.”
Can’t believe your still trying to perpetuate that lie. I thought we cleared this up the other day when you changed your story about it thinking everyone would just take your word for it and gave no proof that such a vote even exsisted.
Give me a break! To think that congress would even have such a ridiculous vote is an infraction on Israeli sovereignty. You couldn‘t prove that statement the other day and you can’t prove it now.
It’s embarrassing to real Christians for you to continue going around lying, all the while touting yourself as the consumate Christian. Telling others off in your “holier than thou” posts. You never offered any proof of your stupid claim that Herman Cain threw his support to Paul either. DID YOU?!!
Report Post »I can only come to the conclusion that you are just a Christian phoney and a liar.
ashestoashes
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 8:24pm@RATIONAL MAN I repied to you under Chump threads below..Thank you for your comment!!
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 8:26pm@YEP I was pretty impressed with what you do know..hope you continue your search!
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 8:52pm@METALURGY That is funny that you mention the third of the angels who were swept out of heaven with Lucifer.. I did make that correlation.. I didn’t take it quite as far as you did..but I did wonder about the significance of the third saved in Israel.. I had a friend whose daughter once wrote a poem about having been one of the angels kicked out of heaven.. I have recently been embarking on a study of the angels because a a couple of believers of different denominations were trying to convince me that Jesus is the Archangel Michael. All of Hebrews 1 clears it up nicely.. Thank you for your response..I love conversing with minds such as yours..
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 10:21pmBAAKO BAMA I looked up your scripture and found what I think explains it..glad you brought it up because I had remembered this scipture on occasion and wondered what it meant.. I believe the correct interpretation of this scripture is this..the Jew’s skirt that ten men take hold of is Jesus Christ..and the ten men are the representative tribes of Israel.
Report Post »NickDeringer
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 10:58amAtheism is the gateway drug to really good things like abortion, eugenics, and concentration camps. If there is no God there is no moral law. If there is no moral law then the guy with the most guns rules. Just like the good old days.
Report Post »Freebyrd
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 11:08amWell said Nickderinger…
Report Post »chumpThreads
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 11:12amAre you talking about the same god who ordered the wanton slaughter of non-combatant men, women and children in the Bible? The one who took pains to specify that babies were not to be spared? Is that the great, moral lawgiver you’re talking about?
Report Post »Absalom
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 11:20am@Nick,
Ridiculous, hyperbolic and fear mongering. I know many Atheists who are against abortion and are hard core Constitutionalists. The Constitution is clear that no person shall be denied life without due process, on this alone Roe v Wade fails. You do not need to be a Christian to understand this. Man has been infamous for using the guise of religion to harm others, to include Christianity and atheism (yes, atheism is a religious belief). However, your singling out on belief over another as a means for greed and hatred is unfounded and baseless…many religious beliefs have been used to perpetrate foul deeds.
Abzz
Report Post »neverending
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 11:43amCouldn’t agree with you more!
Report Post »Prolife Conservative Atheist
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 11:53amIs that so?
Report Post »metalurgy
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 1:22pm@ ChumpThreads
Is that the great, moral lawgiver you’re talking about?
_____________________________
Exactly correct definition, wrong assumption on your part because of your failure to investigate the answer. The Catholic Chatechism (I can only speak for my faith, not others) teaches us that aborted babies still obtain grace and baptism by “desire” which comes from the Holy Spirit.
There are innocents in war that get killed and depending on their “heart” which the bible tells us only the “Just Judge” God can determine the state of your eternal fate.
Scorched earth policy has logic to it. It is so ordered such that the offspring don’t arise and take vengeance or usurp the conqueror at a later date. It justly removes all threat. Vengeance belongs solely to the Lord and in a Theocracy it is carried out with brute prejudice with no political correct humanist intervention because God is pure Love and will protect those in his favor from any persecution now and in the future by a plan of His perfect design. Not only were they completely slaughtered, so were the animals the enemy owned, their belongings including items of plunder were burned (gold silver and jewels too) and the ground salted so that crops can not even grow there in the future for several years. Gods judgement is righteous, swift, brutal and final. It also sent a message to surrounding tribes that had big ideas to stay the hell away, and it worked, if you have read any scripture.
Report Post »DeavonReye
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 10:51amSo, it apparently IS the case that the biblical god is exactly what you condemned as an “atheist ideology”. The one with the “bigger gun” rules. If that is all this god is, then he is MERELY “the most powerful thug you can deal with, so you‘d best pay your ’protection money’ to him or face the consequences”. How wonderful. *sarcasm*
Report Post »chumpThreads
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 10:55amThe best thing about Jillette is that as an illusionist he has a finely tuned BS detector. When he calls it, there’s a 99% probability that he is spot on target.
As far as President Obama is concerned, the fact that he’s a Xian is completely irrelevant to me. A Xian is all we’re ever going to get for President for a long time. At least Obama doesn’t wear it on his sleeve and is not interested in making Xian dogma the law of the land. St. Reagan, I recall, wasn’t much of a church-goer either.
Report Post »gallinipper
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 12:46pmI wish Jillette would do a 13 minute ramble on Obama’s record. That would make more sense to me.
Report Post »metalurgy
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 1:40pmWell, Jellette is a logical man. Obama’s record is “self evident” and needs no explanation. For those who it needs explaining too, there is little hope. Those that have been taught cradle to grave that the Government is there to give you everything you desire have a generational rot that has taken deep hold.
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 8:12pm@RATIONMAN I am certainly not perfect,,but I have never intentionaly lied about anything..If I write something..it is because I believe what I write ..It was Herman Cains Forums who threw their support behind Ron Paul..so I assumed that his forums were representative of him.. I may have been wrong about Paul being the only one to vote for Israels rights to bomb or go to war with other countries. There may be a handful of others that stood with him. Do you remember when Bush declared war on Iraq..do you remember that Israel was denied permission from Bush to go to war with Iran at the same time…No?
Report Post »So that pretty much kills your argument ..doesn’t it? When a country receives aide from another country..there are strings attached.. Had the other Presidents not interfered then Israel would still own the land which actually belongs to her and she would be much more secure militarily. As for an matter that you assumed that we’d cleard up..I’ve no idea what you are talking about..and as for me and my salvation..that is entirely between God and myself..you do not dictate my salvation or my faithfulness.. .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tP18BV7cAOI.
And for how Herman Cain Foruns threw support behind Ron Paul. http://ronpaulcountry.com/content/herman-cain-forums-throws-their-support-behind-ron-paul
Rational Man
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 8:33pm@ashestoashes
It seems making false bias assumptions with no evidence is typical of Paulistinians.
Report Post »Which leads to false and misleading statements.
It usually only takes me 3 or 4 clicks, at most, to find the truth.
Maybe you should try that before you post so I won’t get the impression your a liar from reading your false statements.
(never made any statements concerning your salvation)
Putting words in others mouth is also typically Paulistinian……………..
ashestoashes
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 9:08pm@RATIONALMAN Maybe you should look at the links I posted..The one about Ron Paul proves you wrong..not me.. You wrote Give me a break! To think that congress would even have such a ridiculous vote is an infraction on Israeli sovereignty. You couldn‘t prove that statement the other day and you can’t prove it now.If you look at the youtube video I posted about Ron Paul this proves you wrong..not me Sunshine
Report Post »You also wrote It’s embarrassing to real Christians for you to continue going around lying, all the while touting yourself as the consumate Christian. Telling others off in your “holier than thou” posts. You never offered any proof of your stupid claim that Herman Cain threw his support to Paul either. DID YOU?!!
I can only come to the conclusion that you are just a Christian phoney and a liar.” I would say that is judging me and my salvation…so who’s the liar now? My claims can be justified.. yours cannot..like I said watch the video..Congress did vote on it.. and Herman Cains forums were representative of Herman Cain..were they not? Watch out who you call a liar..things like that have a way of biting you in the butt.
Rational Man
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 11:10pmYou have not proven your original statement of , “..Paul voted for Israel’s right to bomb Iran..no one else did,” The video proves nothing! There was no congressional vote about, “Israel’s right to bomb Iran” and if there was, I can safely say that Paul would not be the only one voting for Israel. He was “one of the few” who did not “condemn” Israel in congress for striking a nuclear reactor.
If I’m wrong prove it or your just a liar making excuses and trying to save face…..It ain’t working on me.
I find it interesting that you use this video posted by people that don’t like Paul. occupynationamerica.
Report Post »Did you read the notes?
“It is also an objective fact that in this video, Ron Paul gave his greenlight to Israel to attack Iran. There’s many, many problems with these kind of major flipflops in Ron Paul’s career. I do sympathize with Ron Paul supporters because his supporters do indeed support the traditional tenets of Ron Paul’s policies; but what Ron Paul said in this video is a direct departure from Ron Paul’s former policies. It is this shameless display of appeasement that turns my stomach on Ron Paul.”
Rational Man
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 11:14pmI may have gotten you mixed up with another Paulistinian on the Cain support issue. So many liars on this site, I sometimes get you guys mixed up when correcting your lies. Assuming that Cain supports Paul just because some of his supporters said they were, is not the same as Cain making an announcement. But I guess Paulistinians have to hold onto whatever they can get, or make up.
My butt remains un-bitten………..Yours?……..Not so much!
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 11:45pm@RATIONALMAN Yes..you must have gotten me mixed up..you still said that Congress did not vote on Israels right to bomb Iran..to me this is just a play on words we are fighting over nothing…but I still resent you calling me a liar..That is simply uncalled for..and I tell you the truth in stating that when Bush declared war on Iraq..that he also denied Israel’s request in bombing Iran.. I was really turned off by Bush doing that. But does that make Israel a soverign nation when she has to ask the US for permission>? I could say disparaging things about all your posts which are heavily biased but I don’t ..You have a right to your opinion. I was wanting the Constitution reinstated because I believe it is our only hope..But if not..then I will accept whatever God deems because it is ultimately in his hands.. you have a lot of pride..you say mine is justification or saving face..so what is yours? You refuse to admit your own mistakes.. I do not hold it against you..God tells me to forgive or I cannot be forgiven. Here’s a link to further explain..It is short..
Report Post »http://ronpaulmyths.com/foreign-policy.php
Rational Man
Posted on January 1, 2012 at 2:17amIn case you couldn’t tell, I couldn’t care less what you think. I have very little respect for Paulistinians. Especially Christians who think they hold some kind of moral high ground while supporting a guy who could care less about society and individual Americans with the bogus excuse of “personal freedoms” and the Constitution. And then there are the issues of Paul’s “faith” that I mentioned above.
Report Post »So tell it however you want. My conscience is clear. You and your opinion don’t matter to me.
God’s opinion is what matters and thats one reason why I would never support Paul. I’m on the right side. If your little feelings are hurt………tuff! Conviction works that way sometimes.
Happy New Year!………………………..
ashestoashes
Posted on January 1, 2012 at 10:35am@RATIONALMAN I responded to you down at the bottom of the page under Yep
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on January 1, 2012 at 11:43am@RATIONALMAN I did post to you below..I haven’t been able to tell who you support..but see you running around here on all of these threads trashing all of the Ron Paul supporters…and your methodolgy tells me that you must be an Obama supporter..and since you refer to god and what he thinks of you..you must be referring to Allah. You are most likely a Muslim troll.
Report Post »Hickory
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 10:50amJillette seems to be a nice guy but……… some of his thoughts are off base. I am surprised he is not singing Ron Paul’s song.
Report Post »Babeuf
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 11:15amhttp://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?58441-Penn-Jillette-endorsement
Report Post »waltydog
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 10:50amJillette must believe the universe was created by magic instead by a Creator. He says he is an atheist but everything material has a beginning from something so I wonder where this magic came from to create something material? Actually, because “material” has to have a beginning from something, there is no such thing as a true atheism, atheists fall into the same catagory as those who believe the earth is flat.
Report Post »chumpThreads
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 11:07amWrong. Jillette’s response to the creation of the universe (and the response of any truly honest person) is “I don’t know”. Unlike the theist, the atheists resists inserting a supernatural deity when the answers to questions are unknown.
Do you still believe thunderstorms are caused by gods fighting above the clouds, or perhaps holding a bowling tournament? Why not? Because once a naturalistic, science-based answer was confirmed, the fighting/bowling gods disappeared.
Science has pushed your god all the way back to the beginning of the universe. We may never know how it all began, but if we do find out, I suspect your god will join the ranks of all the other dead and forgotten deities humankind has created, rather than simply admit “we don’t know”.
Report Post »waltydog
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 11:27amchumpthread,
If you stand by your “I don’t know HOW the universe began“ then you must have ”FAITH” that something made the universe. If you deny that “FAITH” then you are hypicritical. And no, I don’t believe in gods but I do beliveve in the Creator God that has been revealed in the Hebrew/Christian scriptures which has the most reasonable answer to how the universe was created.
Report Post »1776freedomofspeech
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 11:41amYeah it is all a big meaningless accident. Sarcasm I much. He is entitled to his opinion. I disagree with his opinion.
There to many miracles to deny there is a God.
Report Post »chumpThreads
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 11:54am@Waltydog:
How does “I don’t know” amount to an assertion of FAITH?
Report Post »“I don’t know“ means ”I don’t know”.
metalurgy
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 12:08pm@ ChumpThreads,
Well spoke ChumpThreads, with some decent logic without god bashing. Maybe, as a Christian myself, that is why I love atheists, some of my best friends.
That being said, I believe science proves God. There are certain scientific facts, such as the ones you outline to disprove gods exist, known as “Laws” that are self evident and undeniable truths that are accepted as fact by the scientific community. The Law of Gravity. The Law of Inertia. The Law of Energy.
“The law of cause and effect” (Aristotle) proves the existence of an omnipotent being. For every creation or object or force in existence there is something that causes it to come into being, also known as “the initial mover”. Even the earliest philosophers and great thinkers acknowledge this premise.
“Nothing, without nothing with which to work upon, cannot turn it’s non existent self into something. Therefore, there must be an initial mover.” – Thomas Aquinus.
To be an atheist, you have to choose the science that is convenient for you to justify your choice, or not have a full understanding of scientific underpinnings.
“Energy” cannot be created or destroyed for example. That is one of the definitions of God. “I Am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End.” Which came first? The definition of God or Law of Energy? Who is the Law Giver? Interesting.
Report Post »waltydog
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 12:22pmchumpthreads,
If you say “I don’t know how the universe was started” then you must BELIEVE just by your statement that something started the universe, because science proves that “material” cannot exist without first being “made/created”. If you believe there is no starting point then you should say so but then science would prove you wrong. Did you know that there are more sciencists and mathematicians who do believe in a creative force than there are those who don’t.
Report Post »metalurgy
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 12:30pm@ ChumpThreads
How does “I don’t know” amount to an assertion of FAITH? “I don’t know“ means ”I don’t know”.
LOL! Another reason I love atheists. Brutally honest…I am a huge fan of Penn Jellette.
His BS detector is indeed as sharp as his last namesake. And yes, I do know he has bashed the Catholic faith, of which I belong, (as do many other faiths and the MSM, and rightly deserved in certain instances) but I still love the guy.
He’s too smart by half and I believe he will convert some day.
Report Post »TheThirdLittlePig.com
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 12:48pmThe Jesus freaks often stated “atheist believe something came from nothing” argument supporting creation always baffled me. Their point is that a giant invisible man with a long white beard floating aimlessly in space wove a magic wand and POOOOF the world was magically here. Is that NOT something from nothing?
Report Post »waltydog
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 1:19pm3rdlittlepig,
Report Post »It’s amazing(but not surprising) you mention that a “material being created the universe” (”a giant man with a long beard…”) and that you say that is the belief of a Christian. I can’t help but notice the ignorance behind your false assumption of what a christian does believe. I suggest you read up on what Christians believe first before you look so foolish with that answer you gave. May I suggest RC Sproul’s writtings on what the Christian believes or even better start with Genesis…..
waltydog
Posted on January 2, 2012 at 4:42pmchumpthreads,
“I don’t know” constitutes in your thinking among other ways that maybe a creator God did create the universe. That is why you are hypicritical by calling yourself an atheist when one option in your thinking could be a creator God.
Report Post »jakartaman
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 10:48amFor some strange reason A fat ugly guy in a pony tail does not inspire me!
Report Post »your sensei
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 12:08pmSounds like Ben Franklin you’re describing.
Report Post »TRONINTHEMORNING
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 10:47amThe problem I have with Penn is that because he is not a believer, he has a wall of logic and understanding he can’t get over. No one can get over that wall until they come to Christ. It’s just that simple. I’m not saying you become a super thinker when you get saved; just that the Holy Spirit enables a person to think with a clearer understanding about the the things, situations around them. But he nailed it on Obama’s Chicago church…It is a wackjob church.
Report Post »searching for the Truth
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 11:44amOK. So what you want me to say? He’s all right.
Report Post »searching for the Truth
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 11:45amYes, Tron is OK. Sorry Tron , I have someone messing with my comments.
Report Post »searching for the Truth
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 12:00pmBeginning to narrow it down though because it takes place outside the Blaze as well.
Report Post »TRONINTHEMORNING
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 12:07pmNo worries; yeah, people love to mess with other peoples’ handles around here. “The shadow people”…ooooweeeeoooo. LOL!
Report Post »searching for the Truth
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 1:05pmLeft with TV – thinking about computers as well, or at least, internet. Sorry, but it’s like th
Report Post »searching for the Truth
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 1:09pmSorry. They did it again. But, what you said is true.
Report Post »searching for the Truth
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 1:18pmSo much for an anti-virus.
Report Post »Paulmtmorris
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 10:45amBoring!
Report Post »HumbleCitizen
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 10:44amAthiests are NOT “free-thinkers”. They are very rigid, if it says “God” they atheist will not even consider (the material). Just mentioning the word GOD (without the word dam-n after it) is an INSTANT turn-off. That’s not “free-thinking”…that’s NO thinking.
Report Post »JustPeachy
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 12:15pmWell said, humblecitizen!
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 1:15pmUh, I’m an atheist and just read a book by Francis S Collins(Christian scientist who was the head of the genome project) and the book was titled “The Language of God.” Most of the well known speaking Atheists have read that.
Have you ever read a book written by an Atheist?
Report Post »searching for the Truth
Posted on January 1, 2012 at 2:58pmYep! That about sums it up for the most part of them.
Report Post »searching for the Truth
Posted on January 1, 2012 at 3:03pmOh well, the Bible foretells the Truth – all else is fallible. Yeah! You guy‘s write some more into God’s Word – see how that works out for you?
Report Post »searching for the Truth
Posted on January 1, 2012 at 3:22pmThere’s a book about one who , attacked the Church the best part of his life and was carried out on his deathbed screaming that his feet were on fire. Is that the one?
Report Post »searching for the Truth
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 10:41amYeah there is a gyroscope in it!
Report Post »jeanr
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 10:39amJillette has the ability to tell the truth AND be funny. Ah, I remember the good old days when GB had such abilities, too.
Report Post »MrsK
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 10:48amI sincerely doubt your sincerity.
Report Post »Babeuf
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 10:38amWe are endowed by our Accident with Rights of Man! Nice religion! Now we can reduce the 10 Commandments to one – What Ever!
Report Post »your sensei
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 12:06pmChristians have already done that reduction.
Report Post »searching for the Truth
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 10:38amSorry, I could not bear it !
Report Post »glorious
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 10:36amThis is NOT news. Or even interesteing.
Report Post »OneTermPresident
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 10:35amPenn Jillette is in his own words … Crazy, crazy, crazy, crazy.
Report Post »YepImaConservative
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 10:35amLMAO. Penn Jillette is a magician, illusionist, comedian, juggler AND Libertarian!
Bill Maher is also a Libertarian and an atheist. Must be something in that Libertarian Kool-Aid.
Report Post »jeanr
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 10:42amI think all commenters at The Blaze should make a New Year’s resolution to not use any cliches for the entire 2012 year. Not only would it make it less painful to read, but also should cut down on useless comments that don’t contribute anything to the discussion by at least 50%
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 10:59amMust be something in your Koolaid to allow yourself to call yourself a conservative. You clearly are not one. Very clearly you are a lunatic.
I am a believer and Libertarian. Deal with it.
Report Post »YepImaConservative
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 11:10am>JEANR. Didn’t see you having an in-depth conversation above when you lauded Penn Jillette and in the same breath knocked Glenn Beck. I didn‘t see Glen Beck’s name in the topic, unless Jillette mentioned it in the video which I cared not to watch.
So why the hit and run on Beck if it’s a Gillette topic?
I made my comment based on Gillette, his politically leanings and the fact that‘s he’s a comedian (well, you think he’s a comedian). He also has a lot in common with Bill Maher hence my reference to Maher (some think he’s a comedian too).
But where does Glenn Beck fit into any of this other than he’s ALSO a Libertarian? Eh?
Report Post »YepImaConservative
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 11:19am> Ohhhhh believe ME BAD, BADDOGGY. I truly believe you to be a believer… and I’m dealing with it, however misguided your belief may be. Your views are beliefs are truly Ron Paul’s. You go with that saluting Hasbro toy figure. Lol.
Report Post »Rational Man
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 11:45amBaddoggy
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 10:59am
Must be something in your Koolaid to allow yourself to call yourself a conservative. You clearly are not one. Very clearly you are a lunatic.
I am a believer and Libertarian. Deal with it
*********************************************************************************************************
You and your statement are an oxymoron. With emphasis being on ‘moron’.
http://patriotstatesman.com/2011/06/ron-pauls-homosexual-surprise-causes-exodus-of-faithful-followers-of-christ/
Report Post »Donttredonme
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 11:45amBill Maher calls himself Libertarian but hes a leftist loon
Report Post »YepImaConservative
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 12:06pm>DON’TTREADONME. Exactly! That what I’ve been saying all along regarding Libertarions, Ron Paul and his Brigade of Thrifty-Liberals… leftist loons. Once you get past the THIFTY all you’re left with is the LOON.
Report Post »dissentnow
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 1:41pmBill Maher is NOT a libertarian. He said on this past season of his show that he was not a libertarian and he did so as he was bashing Ron Paul. He said that in his past he shared some libertarian views but he now doesn’t.
Report Post »NOBAMA201258
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 1:57pmIt’s EX-LAX in that KOOL-AID YEP ! That’s the only explanation for all the crap that comes out of their mouth1
Report Post »jeanr
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 2:39pmYepImaConservative: I honestly am not sure what you are talking about. First, you think GB is a Libertarian!?! He wants nearly every aspect of social life in America controlled by the government (pro-life, denying gay marriage, large police presence).
And I will admit that GB can still be funny, but just not intentionally anymore. When I heard him state that the goal of OWS was to weaken the current social structure in the U.S. so that Russian infiltrators could come here and occupy each of our houses and take over the government….Well that is just plain hilarious…At least Jillette doesn’t treat his audience like a bunch of mouth breathing rubes.
Report Post »YepImaConservative
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 4:11pm>JEANR. Maybe I lost something somewhere with Beck’s ideological self-description. He might not be a “full-fledged” Libertarian… but his leaning in that direction is good enough for me to put him in that camp. Maybe he was blinded by the Libertarian Jedi Mind Trick quiz or something then and doesn’t belong there eh?
Same with Bill Maher as with Beck. Whether “full-fledged” Libertarians accept them in that camp is no concern of mine…
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on January 1, 2012 at 10:21amYes..I see from your posts that you don’t mind hurting people at all..as far as personal freedoms go….I wanted the right to be free from Communism and Islam..and I don’t support Indefinite Detention..which sets up innocent people..Also..I don’t support the world financial collapse..I figure you will get what I am talking about soon enough..but like I said..when it is time..it is time…I remembered what you and I had discussed before.and it was Paul on the gay marriage and how he felt about it..I told you I vehemently opposed it.and you said to be honest about what I didn’t like and I was and have been..I won’t return hatred for hatred so Happy New Year to you too.
Report Post »