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Pentagon, White House, and Media Respond to India Trip Figures: ‘Absolutely Absurd’

On the same day an Indian news outlet reported that 34 U.S. warships would be accompanying President Obama on his trip to India, and only a day after it claimed the cost of the trip would run $200 million per day, the White House has come forward to deny those claims. And with that denial, the liberal media has seized the opportunity to attack conservatives who reported on the figures.

On Thursday, Pentagon Press Secretary Geoff Morrell dismissed the warships claim as “absolutely absurd”:

However, he later admitted the Defense Department “does play a role in support of Presidential missions.”

According to figures provided to ABC News by the Navy, the claim of 34 warships would mean that almost 12 percent of the Navy would be accompanying Obama:

There are 288 ships in the Navy’s fleet, currently 147 of them are away from their home port and at sea. 110 of the 147 are deployed on missions, the other 37 are involved in training. Those numbers translate to 51 percent of the total fleet being at sea right now and 38 percent of the fleet being deployed.

Using the number of 34 warships being reported by Indian media outlets, 34 ships out of 288 would mean 11.8 percent of the fleet would supposedly be working Obama security.

Later in the day, the White House spoke out about the cost claims.

“The numbers reported in this article have no basis in reality,” Tommy Vietor, a White House spokesman, said regarding New Delhi TV’s report.

“Due to security concerns, we are unable to outline details associated with security procedures and costs, but it’s safe to say these numbers are wildly inflated,” he added.

Press Secretary Robert Gibbs echoed that claim during his press briefing Thursday:

Well, we have set the record straight with you guys. I’m not going to go into how much it costs to protect the president. Costs are comparable to when President Clinton and when President Bush traveled abroad.

But that’s not all he said. He also got into a contentious discussion with the press corps about the trip, specifically one reporter who pressed him on the issue:

FactCheck.org researched the costs of the trips Gibbs mentioned:

So how much did those trips cost? In the case of some Clinton trips, we have figures from a 1999 report by the U.S. General Accounting Office — now called the Government Accountability Office. The GAO said that Clinton’s trips to Africa, Chile and China in 1998 cost at least $42.8 million, $10.5 million and $18.8 million, respectively — not counting the still-classified cost of providing Secret Service protection.

In Africa, Clinton was accompanied by about 1,300 individuals — not including members of the Secret Service — representing the White House, the Department of Defense and other federal agencies. The president visited six countries in 12 days, which means the trip cost $3.6 million per day.

Clinton made the five-day Chile trip in order to attend the second Summit of the Americas — a meeting of 34 heads of state or governments from countries in the Americas — and to hold meetings with the president of Chile. About 600 individuals accompanied the president on the trip, which we calculated would have cost $2.1 million per day.

When Clinton visited China to conduct talks with the president of China, he brought along about 500 individuals. The trip lasted nine days, which works out to a little less than $2.1 million per day.

The total cost including Secret Service protection would of course be somewhat higher, but even doubling or tripling those figures and adding in an adjustment for inflation would not produce anything close to the figure given by the Indian news article for Obama’s trip.

The White House and Pentagon felt the need to speak out after conservatives had been circulating the reports throughout the day.

Sean Hannity attacked the cost:

While Glenn Beck questioned if the trip was a good idea given the security concerns:

And Rachel Maddow attacked conservatives:

Comments (115)

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  • esserdermenschlichenfleischgesellschaftfurobama
    Posted on November 5, 2010 at 9:10am

    Madcow should be careful with the vampire story. It’s almost believable (soulless bloodsucking vampire). Isn’t that on her resume?

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  • MissCherryJones
    Posted on November 5, 2010 at 8:59am

    Didn’t the original story of the cost come from the White House? Or did I hear it on one of the other news channels-they never lie. What’s the reason Pres is going to India? To check to see how some of those jobs he created are doing?
    At this point in the game, the man should be sticking a little closer to home. Just sayin’

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  • mamawalker
    Posted on November 5, 2010 at 8:58am

    We are in a financial crisis that is far more grave than we faced during the trips made by Presidents listed in the article. Too much TAXPAYER money is being spent for this trip which is lining the pockets of other economies while ours is in a tailspin! The President should cut this trip short and get back here and start working for the American people rather than apologizing to the rest of the world for all our transgressions…geez what is it going to take for this man to get a reality check!!!

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    • shellmen
      Posted on November 5, 2010 at 4:10pm

      Reality check. Radical muslims donot have reality checks.

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  • LadyIzShy
    Posted on November 5, 2010 at 8:50am

    give Obama the disgiuse from the hong kong guy and send a couple of secret service memeber with him as aides.. be done with it and save us all the time money and worry..

    I dislike this president with passion but I do NOT wish him harm and I think this trip is foolish at best

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  • Tri-ox
    Posted on November 5, 2010 at 8:50am

    If it costs the American taxpayers one dime, it is too much; how about if our failed “president” and his not-really-proud-of-America wife pay for their own damn vacation?

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  • LDSPATRIOTFAM
    Posted on November 5, 2010 at 8:48am

    “no unsourced story is too ridiculous for right to embrace as truth”

    Taking the Whitehouse’s word on this… The left might be right in is criticisms of the rightist pundits jumping on this one. But I must say the left is no better when they jump on the “hey all the tea partiers are racist nazis” claim with no proof. Or when they said that the N word was yelled out 15 times after the healthcare bill event, and yet the video proof rejects such a claim. All I can say here is ‘Touché’

    I guess the lesson to learn here is get all your facts before you start criticizing others. This goes for both leftists and rightists.

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  • michelepfaff
    Posted on November 5, 2010 at 8:47am

    It seems very suspicious to me. Call me a conspiracy theorist but I wouldn’t be surprised if something happens…

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  • Swizzle Stick
    Posted on November 5, 2010 at 8:47am

    They just don’t get it…$1M or $200M is irrelevant. It is the expenditure of national resources on a dubious effort in lieu of the economy, job creation, debt reduction, etc. Where is the transparency on what the definitive objectives, goals, return on investment of this trip and not the qualitative or fuzzy items like fostering improved relationships. Maybe Michelle’s visit with the sex workers will bring back best practices to improve and grow the Hollywood adult film industry? Guess we will know when McDonalds substitutes the Happy Meal toys with sex aids and condoms.

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  • esserdermenschlichenfleischgesellschaftfurobama
    Posted on November 5, 2010 at 8:46am

    This smells like a set up to push control of the internet

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    • Deutscher
      Posted on November 5, 2010 at 9:15am

      Bitte was hat diese damit zu tun? Sie sind Deutscher, oder?

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  • TMGallagher
    Posted on November 5, 2010 at 8:45am

    … sorry… THEY’RE!

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  • TMGallagher
    Posted on November 5, 2010 at 8:44am

    When you have an administration with a record of doing things that are absurd… why wouldn’t people believe a story about them doing one more thing that is completely out of touch? And, just because the White House say the reports are absurd… you think THEIR credible… lol!

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  • charliego
    Posted on November 5, 2010 at 8:43am

    So many unknowns to this story. essentially why? Explain the purpose. Explain the timing. Presidents have always made international trips for various important reasons-no problem there overall. The climate of the world right now is so negative toward the U.S.A. Undercurrents are meant to dissolve the essence of liberty. Additionally, our President is such an apologist; if he follows this modes operandi ( bowing and scraping among other subjugating occurrences), this trip is a money-diplomacy wasting venture. and, like GB proclaims, dangerous. What does he plan to say at the Chinese luncheon? Bastardize our country even more?!. Mr. President, you need to brave up-stay home right now and work on our situation-not cow-towing to world animosity. So does he (President) plan to go to Geneva and augment the UN human rights convention, as well. Sorry to be so cynical, but our country’s leader (?) has given me reason on so many fronts. Thank you

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  • raybojabo
    Posted on November 5, 2010 at 8:41am

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aocwKUPYI_g
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcG6Txf02hk
    If I was in DC, I think I would leave town this weekend.

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  • LSX
    Posted on November 5, 2010 at 8:40am

    Watch the other hand – CAREFULLY!

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    • snowleopard3200 {mix art}
      Posted on November 5, 2010 at 8:53am

      Or look out for the one hand that has the velvet glove hiding the fist of iron.

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    • bcgunner
      Posted on November 5, 2010 at 9:13am

      @LSX, very good point. With this group in Washington you must always keep your eyes on the other hand.
      The larger the distraction the larger the trick…

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  • steve-o-con
    Posted on November 5, 2010 at 8:38am

    We’ll see after all is said and done. I don’t think this has been PROVEN UNTRUE as of yet. Let’s wait until after the trip to make any judgments. I’m sure some Indians w/ camera phones will capture any evidence of lavishness (or lack thereof) during the trip. If there are warships off the coast, it’s possible some fishermen may catch a pic. We’ll just have to see.

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  • crossdraw
    Posted on November 5, 2010 at 8:37am

    Of course the cost of Obuttheads trip is absurd. Anyone with half a brain knows the real figure is double that of what we are told. $400,000,000 a day is probably closer to the truth. Actually it’s probably more then that. The questions that needs to be asked is these, Obutthead,”why are you doing this when the economy is in such trouble? Why are you doing this when there are so many folks out of work? Why are you doing this when prices of everything are going up”? And the answer? Because Obutthead is anti-American, an elite, and he can do whatever he wants because he’s “entitled.” ENTITLED. Don’t we have a problem with entitlements? Here’s a novel thought. “When he returns to America refuse him entry because of his anti-American attitude. Personally my prayers are for a 12.0 earthquake whens he lands. Not to hurt him just to wreck his damned vacation. Go to hell Obutthead and take Aunt Jemima with you.

     
  • kschmud
    Posted on November 5, 2010 at 8:33am

    I believe Glenn was asking for an explaination and/or confirmation of the $ figures and # of ships – as obviously it did not seem to make sense. I still would like to know how many people are going and what the purpose of the trip is

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    • EP46
      Posted on November 5, 2010 at 8:41am

      I agree that Glenn was asking for confirmation. Keep in mind, Glenn has lots of insiders that give him information and he has to find a way to get it out in the public.

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    • grandmaof5
      Posted on November 5, 2010 at 9:10am

      Hannity asked for clarification of this trip too and didn’t get a reply. It must be the transparancy thing. Maybe they figure if they give the cost/day that we will divide it up and figure out how many ships, planes, tanks, people, blah, blah, blah, they are really taking.

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  • EP46
    Posted on November 5, 2010 at 8:32am

    So the White House is saying India is telling lies? Bad boys !

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  • snowleopard3200 {mix art}
    Posted on November 5, 2010 at 8:31am

    Glenn Beck is right on these points, there are too many unknowns that the expenses could be or not be, the number of warships and the security itself. However, Mr Beck has mentioned more than once that the Progressives would turn on Mr Obama if it became a matter of Political Expediency, just think what will happen if, heaven forbid, Mr Obama is injured or assassinated in the India trip.

    As much as I disagree with Mr Obama across the board, may the Almighty keep anything from happening overseas.
    http://www.artinphoenix.com/gallery/grimm

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  • HouseNegro
    Posted on November 5, 2010 at 8:31am

    One row boat would be too much.

    Dear Indian Monkey God please hit this fool (Obama) with a coconut.

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  • Sardu
    Posted on November 5, 2010 at 8:30am

    OK, so how much IS it going to cost then?

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    • TMACK
      Posted on November 5, 2010 at 8:51am

      Exaxtly! Why doesn’t Robert Fibbs give a number in his press conference?

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  • alps91
    Posted on November 5, 2010 at 8:30am

    1st off, Im tired of hearing from that maddow guy.
    2nd, If there are stories that the trip will cost that much, somewhere in them there is merit. The exact numbers are off, but this trip is going to cost the United States taxpayer a pretty penny Im afraid.
    3rd, Barack does need a break though, when was his last vacation, i mean come on, hes just the leader of the free world, he just wants to see the festival of lights and the larges mosque in the world, and he just wants to do that on YOUR dime, who wouldnt? (Please note the extreme sarcasm in this last point…)

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    • wildjoker5
      Posted on November 5, 2010 at 8:46am

      Yeah, Obama only make $4mil/year, he can’t afford it on that kind of low income. He needs government assistance to make the trip. Has he seen the largest Church, Synagogue yet? Gee, I wonder why people think he is Muslim?

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    • TMACK
      Posted on November 5, 2010 at 8:50am

      I‘m pretty sure the real purpose of this trip is to check out and play as many of India’s golf courses as he can.

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    • cessna152
      Posted on November 5, 2010 at 9:13am

      I need a vacation as well, but to bring thousands of people, planes and boats to an area thousands of miles away, for no apparent reason? Also, 10% unemployment and this guy is spending hundreds of millions of dollars of our money? I call it BS, go to the “Grand canyon” or someplace with your immediate family if you’re in need of a vacation….end of story!

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  • The Toad
    Posted on November 5, 2010 at 8:30am

    1 million a day of taxpayers money is to much!!!

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    • EP46
      Posted on November 6, 2010 at 7:42pm

      10 cents for the entire 10 days is to much for America to spend on him.

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  • hempstead1944
    Posted on November 5, 2010 at 8:28am

    What’s absurd is that he is even going……for what purpose? Does he really think he can be the catalyst for trade between businesses in this country and India? He is a fool’s fool……

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    • Highland
      Posted on November 5, 2010 at 9:19am

      It’s just another Obama family vacation at our expense, to be followed in short order by the Christmas holidays family vacation. Exhausting!

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    • Godseyesareonthem
      Posted on November 6, 2010 at 1:48pm

      I can’t take even a cheap vacation because I do not have the money, can you? It is like he just wants to bankrupct America (because it is the plan). Interesting read for you all is look up on line “Illuminati and the Presidents” and you will get a eye opening picture of what Glenn Beck is talking about. May GOD Save America, LORD we need your help.

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    • EP46
      Posted on November 6, 2010 at 7:41pm

      I am sure they had the cost of the trip verified by the office that verified the cost of the health care bill.

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  • jzs
    Posted on November 5, 2010 at 8:23am

    No matter how absurd, no unsourced story is too ridiculous for right to embrace as truth. Bachman said it was “in the press” meaning FOX, which is different from being “in the press.”

    http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2010/11/04/ac.obamas.india.trip.cost2.mov.cnn?iref=videosearch

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    • WORKS FROM HOME
      Posted on November 5, 2010 at 8:33am

      And the sky is any color but blue.
      IF you have the time you need to watch your reps’ every move and make sure people know about what they are doing. If a couple of people in each city got together to watch their reps they could do incredible work.
      learn how to blog for free and use google adsense make a passive income with it.
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    • We Are Not Alone
      Posted on November 5, 2010 at 8:36am

      CNN is your source for accurate news….. hahahahhahahahahahahahahhahaha

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    • Pelicans View
      Posted on November 5, 2010 at 8:37am

      Why the idiot would go at all is the better question to ask. There is absolutely no strategic value to this trip and not one thing being accomplished that could not be done via video conference (except maybe the family’s visit to the museum). It would be far more frugal to fly India’s representatives to the US and put them up at the White House. But when has this jetsetter or his elitist bride ever been frugal?

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    • snowleopard3200 {mix art}
      Posted on November 5, 2010 at 8:43am

      CNN or the Communist News Nothingness gathering indeed is a flop of a newsgroup. They would say the rivers of the world flow with milk and honey just because their master the Self Anointed One says they do.

      Beck is still right though that the trip to India has too many unknowns, aside from the warships, the costs, security, and such. He warned one time that the Progressives would turn on Mr Obama once it became Politically Expedient (or similar wording) and with Mr Ayers wife now talking with the India news companies, stirring up the hatered of the racist, terrorist american government – guess who is the perfect target for a lone nutcase in India, say at the Ghandi peace museum, and then there will be the perfect emergency needed to shut our country down ‘In the name of civil peace…’

      We will slip into a dictatorship unless we watch with all due vigilance to keep it from happening, and work peacefully to keep the country intact.

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    • JKN
      Posted on November 5, 2010 at 8:59am

      Read somewhere that Barack Obama would be attending some sort of an anniversary memorial service in Indonesia in honor of Muslim soldiers killed while battling the English and Dutch… Apparently, Obama will be laying a wreath at this event… Obama will also be visiting the third largest mosque in the world in Indonesia…

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    • citizenx
      Posted on November 5, 2010 at 9:13am

      Why would you care about what a lesbian vampire has to say?

      citizenx  
    • firstHat
      Posted on November 5, 2010 at 9:31am

      JZS The Indian officials have more information on what is being spent than our press has (since much of that money is being spent in their country and our officials aren’t telling us anything except that the Indian sources are wrong). So what do we believe? Some real numbers coming out of India or the non existent numbers coming from our (non) government

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    • DimmuBorgir
      Posted on November 5, 2010 at 9:36am

      Liberals, and Rachel gives a perfect example in this clip, use sarchasm and repeat the same thing over and over to win an argument.

      I guess if you can annoy the crap out of the person you are debating that must mean you win??

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    • SgtB
      Posted on November 5, 2010 at 9:39am

      Why should I believe any numbers that any media source sites for the protection of the president? The secret service’s main job is not presidential protection, but rather to protect our monetary source…THE FED! They work for the people who print money out of thin air, so the fact that they would spend 200 million a day doesn’t seem farfetched in light of their ability to print money, and keep all of the bills secret. This has been happening for quite some time, and I am sick of it.

      I’m sure that most secret service agents who are on presidential security detail are upstanding citizens, but it only takes a couple or even one at the top to corrupt a whole given the secrecy and power they wield.

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    • jzs
      Posted on November 5, 2010 at 11:22am

      This is a classic, right wing bogus story, right up their with Christine O’Donnals claim that companies have developed rats with human brains. Somebody above says “Indian officials” have information. The source was a single, anonymous and uncorroborated quote. Apparently they also have detailed knowledge of plan for the movement of US warships? Ever stop to think how they would know that?

      You guys will believe anything, regardless of how absurd it is, if it fits with your predudice. Having a basis for your beliefs is irrelevant. Don’t like CNN? Try this link.

      http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/nov/04/michele-bachmann/rep-michele-bachmann-claims-obamas-trip-india-will/

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    • abc
      Posted on November 5, 2010 at 11:34am

      JZS, well said. The problem with the right is that they are a faith based and emotional lot. They don’t care about consistency or accuracy. Only preservation of the narrative. It is why study after study shows that while liberals pull their news from a variety of sources, including conservative ones, conservatives only listen to conservative sources. It is the reason Fox and AM talk radio dominates ratings. Now, they tout those ratings to suggest that they are better news sources, but the reality is that their listenership is a monopoly, created by people who tune out what they disagree with even when it it true. Dogma over facts. Narrative over truth. Propaganda over reality. And Rupert Murdoch laughs all the way to the bank, as do O’Reilly, Beck and Hannity. It is bad for America, but it is not the fault of the profiteers, who clearly understand this. It is the fault of small-minded people who, while smart enough to question their faith-based narrative, choose not to. I’m not sure whether it is fear of ambiguity and uncertainty or what, but they clearly prefer hearing what they want to hear to hearing what they need to hear. Unfortunately, their votes count as much as yours and mine. Hence the fears about democracy that stretch back at least to Edmund Burke–one of the smartest conservatives to ever live.

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    • drphil69
      Posted on November 5, 2010 at 12:24pm

      LOL, this story is absurd, but Nancy Pelosi claiming that “food stamps and unemployment insurance are the best stimulus anyone can come up with” isn’t? I guess Bush actually did orchestrate 9-11 and Katrina. Hell, Cheney and Bush probably caused the Oil spill in the gulf too! And we conservatives are the ones embracing absurd stories??? Do you also believe that quantitative easing is not printing money? You probably also believe that the $2.7 Trillion in deficit spending over the last 2 years was actually Bush’s fault! Oh, yeah, and my personal favorite, greedy banks engaged in “predatory lending”…(take this loan at gunpoint???). Do you actually believe that banks made loans to people who they KNOW cant pay them back, and this was some sort of scheme to MAKE money? Exactly how does that work?

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    • Polwatcher
      Posted on November 5, 2010 at 12:29pm

      It is so simple. If Obama wants to show us the facts, then we have something to talk about. Until then, I believe media reports.

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    • jzs
      Posted on November 5, 2010 at 12:37pm

      The debunking continues outside the fact free world you live in:

      http://factcheck.org/2010/11/ask-factcheck-trip-to-mumbai/

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    • Rowgue
      Posted on November 5, 2010 at 1:17pm

      Wow. Please don’t breed. We have enough ignorant mouthbreathing zombies already.

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    • Polwatcher
      Posted on November 5, 2010 at 1:19pm

      @JZS

      Your fact check may be right but it may also be wrong. I always love it when the WH says they can’t disclose details due to security. How many people went on the trip with Obama? Is that a secret? How many planes? Another secret? Is there a 1 mile tunnel being built in India for Obama security? Another secret, I guess. Are there really 34 warships? Taj Mahal rooms’ cost? We don’t need to be told that we should kneel down to Obama and believe his every word. All we need are credible facts from Obama’s people. Complete disclosure of his entire entourage. Tell us it ain’t so, Joe.

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    • RavenGlenn
      Posted on November 5, 2010 at 1:55pm

      So…JZS and ABC….

      We shouldn’t believe a story from India about the trip and costs, but we should believe the White House? They didn’t give any documentation. They didn’t even give a number. If they know it won’t cost that, then how much will it cost?

      A million a day? Two million a day? That’s still a ridiculous number. I thought the left hated rich people that waste millions on frivilous things like going on vacation when that money could be spent on helping the poor, the homeless, or the environment.

      But I guess since it is Obama, he can ferry 3,000 people around, use a ton of jet fuel, fuel for his convoys, and millions of tax payer money so that he can experience the festival of lights and see a mosque.

      Seriously? You are going to bash the right because they went on what the India media told them, but you are giving Obama a pass for doing exactly the opposite of what the left always speaks up about? Oh…wait….of course you are. Sorry. For a moment there, I thought you were rational people with objective opinions. My bad.

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    • jzs
      Posted on November 5, 2010 at 2:08pm

      Polwatcher, actually I gave you two fact checks, and a third would be Good Morning America segment where this idea was also debunked. I imagine every major news network (except FOX of course) will have also debunked the idea if they haven’t already. The reality is that Beck says something, no amount of information would convince you otherwise. That is my point. Funny how you won’t say “maybe Beck is right, maybe he’s wrong.” He is your source of Truth – you kneel down to him and believe his every word.

      Heads of State travel abroad as the chief diplomats of their country, and the details of there trips are never disclosed. Why aren‘t you calling for an investigation into the cost of Bush’s trips abroad or to Crawford? Because that simply doesn’t fit into your narrative. You’ll believe any anonymous, uncorroborated internet rumor if it fits what you believe, but no amount of evidence will convince you of something you don’t want to believe. That, my friend, is what I’m saying.

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    • Polwatcher
      Posted on November 5, 2010 at 3:16pm

      JZS,

      You are totally incorrect and really absurd. Beck always tells everyone not to believe him and to fact check what he says. I repeat “You may be right and you may be wrong.” I have no way of knowing. I read your articles. They are not disclosures of details of Obama’s trip. They are denials of specific numbers and items. Obama works for us. He is paid by us with our money. He is spending our money. Slick Willie was real adept at this kind of barf. Remember that it all depended on what “is” is. I want full disclosure from the WH. Nothing less. i.e. If there are not 34 wardhips then how many are there? If there are not 3000 people with Obama, how many are there? Who are they? If the cost is not $200 million per day, how much is it? Remember Michelle’s trip to Spain? Remember her entourage? Remember her reason for the trip? Remember the massive expense for her pleasure trip to Spain? Michelle really loves to spend big. Did she plan this trip to India per chance? If the reports from India are wrong, what is right? Your fact check does not reveal any of these details. Only the WH can provide the answer(s) by full disclosure.

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    • jzs
      Posted on November 5, 2010 at 5:12pm

      Polwatcher, you say Beck encourages you to fact check, but you don’t believe the facts when you read them. That’s my point. How many times have you said you don’t believe anything Obama says?

      You’d like the government to announce the location, destination and number of US warships, troops, and CIA, and the cost of sending them to that destination? Are you really a US citizen or a spy for a foreign nation? Maybe you’d like to make sure Al Quaida knows where our ships and people are? That type of information, my patriotic friend, has never been released in American history. Yet, you’re suggesting the United States of America should start doing so based on an anonymous, uncorroborated debunked source (and an obviously false source because the US does not announce the positions of our ships, troops, CIA etc.). You’re not thinking clearly.

      The four day trip to Spain by Michelle. Paid for by the Obama’s. Her security detachment is paid for by the government, same as with Laura Bush’s trip to Paris, Budapest and Prague (http://www.arts.mcgill.ca/history/faculty/TROYWEB/LauraBushpreparesforfirstsolotripabroad.htm) . Fact check that one yourself, like Beck told you to.

      You get your “facts” from this website and FOX. You’ll believe anything they say, regardless of how absurd and won’t believe anything to the contrary, not matter what the evidence. That’s my point Polwatcher. You’re being disingenuous to ask the WH to refute everything, not matter how absurd (except to you) that gets on the net. You wouldn’t believe it anyway, so what’s the point? And that really would be a waste of government time and money.

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    • magdala
      Posted on November 5, 2010 at 6:12pm

      The Source
      http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/34-warships-sent-from-us-for-obama-visit-64459

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    • Polwatcher
      Posted on November 5, 2010 at 6:32pm

      JZS,

      I suppose you think that the number of people that went with Obama and how much is to be spent is a military secret. Your foolish, man.

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    • jzs
      Posted on November 5, 2010 at 6:37pm

      DRPHIL, here’s how it works. Assume the price of houses is rising. You buy a $100,000 house, and two years later the market value is $110,000. You default on your loan, and the bank sells the house for $110,000. The bank makes $100,000 plus the amount of your deposit, plus whatever equity you had in the house.

      But when banks have bad loans out, and housing prices drops (which is what happened) the bank is stuck with a house that is worth less than the money than the original loan. Make sense? Do you read the news ever?

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