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Philly Archbishop: America Is Becoming ‘Much Less Friendly to Christian Faith’ Than Ever Before

Catholic Bishops to Meet to Discuss Christian Faith in America | Archbishop Charles Chaput

Archbishop Charles Chaput: A conservative Native American, Chaput was installed Thursday, Sept. 8, 2011, to lead a Philadelphia archdiocese of nearly 1.5 million Catholics. (AP Photo/Matt Rourke, File)

(The Blaze/AP) - The mood among many U.S. Roman Catholic bishops was captured in a recent speech by Archbishop Charles Chaput of Philadelphia. His talk, called “Catholics in the Next America,” painted a bleak picture of a nation increasingly intolerant of Christianity.

“The America emerging in the next several decades is likely to be much less friendly to Christian faith than anything in our country’s past,” Chaput told students last week at Assumption College, an Augustinian school in Worcester, Mass. “It’s not a question of when or if it might happen. It’s happening today.”

The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops meets Monday in Baltimore for its national meeting feeling under siege: from a broader culture moving toward accepting gay marriage; a White House they often condemn as hostile to Catholic teaching; and state legislatures that church leaders say are chipping away at religious liberty.

Many Catholic academics, activists and parishioners say the bishops are overreacting. John Gehring of Faith in Public Life, a liberal advocacy network for religious voters, has argued that in a pluralistic society, government officials can choose policies that differ from church teaching without prejudice being a factor.

“Some perspective is needed here,” Gehring, a Catholic, wrote on his organization’s blog.

Still, the bishops see themselves as more and more on the losing side of these disagreements, and they are taking steps they hope will protect the church.

Catholic Bishops to Meet to Discuss Christian Faith in America | Archbishop Charles Chaput

In September, the conference formed a new committee on religious liberty that will meet for the first time this week in Baltimore. Anthony Picarello, general counsel for the conference, will oversee that work, which will include hiring a lobbyist.

Picarello had worked for seven years at the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty, a public-interest law firm based in Washington, and also served on an advisory committee for President Barack Obama’s Office of Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships.

Among the bishops’ top concerns are religious exemptions in states that legalize same-sex marriage. In Illinois, government officials stopped working with Catholic Charities on adoptions and foster-care placements after 40 years because the agency refused to recognize a new civil union law. Illinois bishops are suing the state. In New York, the bishops, along with Orthodox Jewish leaders and others, have complained that the religious exception in this year’s law allowing gay marriage is too weak to be effective.

Catholic Bishops to Meet to Discuss Christian Faith in America | Archbishop Charles Chaput

On health care, the bishops have been pressing the Health and Human Services Department during its public comment period for a broader religious exception to the provision in Obama’s health care overhaul.

The Blaze reported on this issue back in September. As we noted, the mandate, clearly controversial because of the Church’s stance on abortion and the like, would require all private health care insurance plans to cover contraceptives that are approved by the FDA. This would, of course, include ulipristal, which has the potential to terminate a pregnancy before or after an embryo implants in the womb.

Earlier this month, the Blaze also reported that the Catholic Advocate PAC (CA) is so disenchanted with the president’s policies, that the group has launched a campaign urging Obama to “meet with Catholic leaders to discuss compromise.

Sister Carol Keehan, president of the Catholic Health Association, which broke with the bishops to support the administration’s health care plan, said a proposed exemption is so narrowly written it would only apply to “the parish housekeeper.”

The conference is also battling the agency on another front: The Health and Human Services Department recently decided not to renew a contract held since 2006 by the bishops’ refugee services office to help victims of human trafficking. The American Civil Liberties Union is currently suing to stop the agency from making grants to groups who “impose religiously based restrictions on reproductive health services” for human trafficking victims. The women are often raped and forced into prostitution by their captors (we covered this earlier this month as well).

Sister Mary Ann Walsh, spokeswoman for the bishops, has called the decision discriminatory and a case of “ABC,” meaning anyone but Catholics. Agency officials vehemently deny any bias and say the sole criteria for evaluating potential grantees was which group could best serve the victims. Administration officials note that the vast network of Catholic social service nonprofits, including the bishops’ conference, receives hundreds of millions of dollars in government funding in amounts that have increased in the last couple of years.

Last week, Obama met with New York Archbishop Timothy Dolan, president of the bishops’ conference, an administration official said. The independent National Catholic Reporter said the two men discussed issues that have created tension between the administration and the Catholic hierarchy.

The closer focus on religious liberty comes as bishops are becoming more outspoken on preserving the religious identity of Catholic colleges and other institutions, and publicly calling out Catholic politicians and voters who don’t follow church teaching on abortion.

Scott Appleby, a prominent religious historian at the University of Notre Dame, says many church leaders have recently adopted “a more pugnacious style, much more of a kind of culture-wars attitude.” At the same time, the bishops’ have been stung by their loss of public influence from the sex abuse crisis and the years of bruising revelations that many dioceses moved guilty clergy among parishes without alerting parents or police.

“The church no longer receives deference or the hands-off attitude that it once had for many years. That’s gone,” Appleby said.

Critics of the bishops view the closer focus on religious liberty as another sign that church leaders are turning inward and away from promoting the church’s teaching on social justice.

Steven Krueger, national director of Catholic Democrats, pointed to the agenda released ahead of this week’s meeting, which included no public discussion of poverty despite the state of the economy. In the 1980s, the bishops issued an influential pastoral letter on Catholic principles and the economy, which church leaders reaffirmed in statements and education programs over the next decade.

“I think this certainly will represent to a vast majority of Catholics a tone-deafness on the part of many, many bishops,” Krueger said.

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  • trench99
    Posted on November 14, 2011 at 7:54am

    As a catholic, and a conservative, it is no wonder the Church is failing. On one hand they rely heavily on govt ( social programs= $$$ ), they encourage & lobby for illegals, and have essentially sold themselves out. Through out this “great recession” I have not seen our church do one thing to help it’s neighbors. I’ve seen them collect for Haiti, seen them lobby for illegals, read as they hired expensive lawyers for pediphile priests, and heard them preach for us to get back in the pews. It’s sad that the Church has tried to play both ends against the middle. You reap what you sow.

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    • givemelibertyorgivemedeath
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 8:29am

      the problem with the Catholic Church is Vatican II.

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    • @leftfighter
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 9:09am

      As a Protestant who understands *why* I’m Protestant, I’d disagree.

      The problem with the Catholic Church is that many of the things Catholics take as Articles of the Faith are extra-biblical in origin, and much of the structure of the Church is a remnant of a prior polytheistic religion.

      You could look at the practice of intercessory prayer to anyone but Jesus Himself, the fact that the church despensed with a Commandment (worshipping graven images) because it didn’t fit with the practice of prayers to statues of Saints, the idea of pergatory (which appears nowhere in Scripture).

      Googling the words Pontifex Maximus and Vestal Virgins will return you the Anciant Roman versions of the Pope and nuns. They replaced prayer to a pantheon of demigods with prayer to a pantheon of saints, the veneration of whom may have begun with the veneration of said demigods (see the Celtic three-headed goddess Brigid and Saint Brigit of Kildare).

      I only believe what I read in the Bible; none of the extra-biblical mumbo jumbo that two millenia of tradition brings. If it’s not in there, it’s not Christianity. Yes, that includes the Book of Mormon.

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    • commie_LOVER
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 9:10am

      “the problem with the Catholic Church is Vatican II.”

      It is actually the misinterpretation of Vatican II which is the problem. Most of what the US Bishops do (Mass in vernacular, communion in the hand, girl alter servers, etc) was not promoted by VII.

      Help roll back these abuses:
      http://latinmass.com/

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    • @leftfighter
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 9:15am

      All that said, to parallel a Washington quote, the time is now near at hand which must probably determine whether Americans are to be allowed to worship in peace or lose the right to worship at all.

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    • commie_LOVER
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 9:16am

      @leftfighter

      Edcuate yourself:
      http://www.scripturecatholic.com/index.html
      http://forums.catholic.com/

      God Bless!

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    • commie_LOVER
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 9:18am

      @leftfighter

      I would love for a Protestant to show me where the table of contents of the bible comes from? The Bible is tradition and was assembled by that evil Catholic Church. This book would also help clear up some of your misconceptions:

      http://www.amazon.com/Catholicism-Fundamentalism-Attack-Romanism-Christians/dp/0898701775/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1321280304&sr=8-1

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    • techengineer11
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 9:42am

      The Progressives are out to get us aren’t they Glenn? lol

      1917 Russia!

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    • Gita
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 9:46am

      @leftfighter I challenge you to read Scott Hahn’s book “Rome Sweet Home”.

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    • JRook
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 10:11am

      How ironic that the Catholic Church would hire a lobbyist. If the “word” isn’t enough perhaps it is the messenger and their adherence to it.

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    • amrcn
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 10:27am

      Simple reason is that the unbelieving infidels in America are angry and vocal and probably in part being energized by Satan, and Christians sit on their lazy ignorant asses like stupid sheep and think all they have to do is pray.

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    • teamarcheson
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 10:32am

      THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IN AMERICA NO LONGER TAKES A TOUGH STAND ON ANYTHING ANYMORE

      The Catholic Bishops supported Obama Care up until the day before the vote when everything was decided on and then they came out against it over abortion as if they did not know it would force all hospitals to do abortions. Everyone else in America knew Obama Care would include abortion but not the Catholic Bishops. The Catholic Churches supported Obama just as they did Hitler because they hoped Obama would allow funding of Catholic Charities and Catholic Hospitals.

      This Bishop must have read the Suicide book. The Catholic Church is now a church that no longer stands for anything. The Catholic Church has actually become a Protestant Church.

      Only TEA can set you free now.

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    • teamarcheson
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 10:36am

      Everyone Should Pray For The End Of Israel

      When Israel ends, God is on his way. I hear that all the Angles in Heaven are charging up their Laser Sabers and polishing their nuclear weapons. When God returns I do not think He will go around shaking everyone’s hand for a “job well done” on earth.

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    • teamarcheson
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 10:43am

      America Will Be Just As Friendly Towards Christians And Catholics As The Communist Chinese.

      Everyone should realize that America is becoming a province of China. Soon both the American and Chinese flags will fly over all government buildings and the USPS.

      Communism cannot catch on in Christian countries because Christianity is an antidote to communism. Its in the Suicide book.

      Only TEA can save you now.

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    • AppleAnnie
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 12:19pm

      A couple of observations. The Catholic church is not failing. It’s been around for 2000+ years; founded by Jesus Christ and “the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” It’s unfortunate that there are flawed sinfull persons in the Church. I think Christ knew he was leaving his church to people who were flawed. I agree that the church ought not ask/beg for funds/assistance from the fed/state gov. It always comes with strings attached. The Church has long been in the “business” of health care, adoption and education. Because the Church opposes abortion 0bama is cutting funds for Catholic charities. Several diocese have ended their work in adoptions because it will not place children in same sex homes. If you think this applies to just the Catholic church, hang on because all Christian charities will targets of 0bama. Some will cave. I hope we can all stand together and support each other. For all of the folks posting anti-Catholic spews, which incidentally have absolutely nothing to do with this article I recognize ignorance. I’ve seen these tired tired words against the Catholic church. Very sad. I’ll keep you in my prayers. But find it in your hearts to support YOUR Christian charities with your time and talents. Maybe we can wean them off fed. money.

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    • smithclar3nc3
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 1:34pm

      Keep on line up and supporting social justice with the same people that support gay marriage,abortions,atheism,communism and host of other anti-biblical agendassee where you find yourself oh supposed keepers of God’s word. Remeber a machines is as good as the sum of all ity’s parts. If you stand with secular progressive in social justice you stand with them in atheism and all their other agendas by default. If YOU‘RE IN FOR A PENNY YOU’RE IN FOR A POUND

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    • conservativewoman
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 2:11pm

      @TRENCH99
      That is hard to believe that your parish does nothing for it’s neighbors. I am Catholic as well and at my parish we collect food, clothing, etc. for the needy of our city. We have so many ministries that every hour of everyday they are busy working for others. Both my husband and I belong to a ministry, because God calls us to love others as he loves us.
      Rather than complain about how how your parish is not doing enough, start a ministry of some kind to help your local community. If you see a need, fill it!

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    • royalstar
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 2:30pm

      I agree 100% The Catholic hierchy has always pandered to whoever is in power in any given country from the beginning as opposed to doing the right thing under the doctrine.This is not a new phenomenon for Catholicism. They are only screaming now because they are losing the political edge around the world. If you lie with dogs you get fleas pure and simple.I feel sorry for true Catholic paritioners, not the heiarchy of the church.

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    • @leftfighter
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 3:14pm

      @commie_LOVER

      You’re confusing the issue.

      I know the Bible was assembled by the Catholic Church from the older Scripture, *but* I also know that much of the dogma attached to Catholicism is not biblical in origin. I’m not going to get into examples b/c I tried in this reply but ran out of room.

      Don’t assume b/c I‘m Protestant that I don’t understand Catholicism. I’m from a predominantly Catholic family & A-to-B comparing the Bible to Catholic beliefs & the Church’s actions through history, & I’ve found the Church lacking.

      All that to say this: yes, the church that became the Catholic Church asembled today’s bible. They then they forbade translation of it into the any language other than Latin so the masses couldn’t read & interpret the Bible themselves, thus forcing the people to rely on the teachings of self-serving priests & Churches for their salvation.

      The only example I had room for: The construction costs of Vatican itself were paid for in Indulgence money & proceeds from the sale of the right to touch or own a “remnant of the True Cross” to gain absolution for sin.

      For non-Catholics, Indulgence money was money taken by the Church from people paying for forgiveness of a sin after the fact (or, paying for the right to sin. Potato / potato.).

      Re: True Cross remnants- Calvin once remarked that there were enough wood “remnants of the True Cross” in Catholic Churches to fill a ship.

      I could cite so many more examples; these are only

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    • schmite123oh
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 4:45pm

      @commie I read your link, 2 timothy chapter 3.

      All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

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    • AppleAnnie
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 4:49pm

      Oh. And another thing Trench99. Do you know who Archbishop Chaput is? Do you know that he is one of the more conservative Archbishops? That he is know for his plain speaking? That he is faithful to the Pope? I am a great admirer of Chaput. Perhaps, as a faithful Catholic, you should check him out.

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    • Greenwood
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 11:11pm

      @APPLEANNIE………..”The Catholic church is not failing. It’s been around for 2000+ years; founded by Jesus Christ” [ Constantine the Great in 325 ] Roman Church
      Revelation 14: 8 ………..”She has fallen! Babylon the Great has fallen, she who made all the nations drink of the wine of the anger of her fornication!”
      Revelation 18: 7 To the extent that she glorified herself and lived in shameless luxury, to that extent give her torment and mourning. For in her heart she keeps saying, I sit a queen, and I am no widow, and I shall never see mourning.

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    • SaraD
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 1:37am

      Please don’t forget their treatment of child molesters. It is not their fault they were decieved by these priests it is their fault they turned their back on the children who were voilated and just moved the priests to a fresh crop. They were responsible once they knew. Now the investigator for pediphile accsations Christopher Jarvis was caught with over 4,000 pornographic pictures of prepubencent boys. 120 of those were rape videos. He was watching over 120 churches.

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    • joboww
      Posted on November 20, 2011 at 10:43pm

      @LEFTFIGHTER

      True Cross:
      Conflicting with this is the finding of Charles Rohault de Fleury, who, in his Mémoire sur les instruments de la Passion 1870 made a study of the relics in reference to the criticisms of Calvin and Erasmus. He drew up a catalogue of all known relics of the True Cross showing that, in spite of what various authors have claimed, the fragments of the Cross brought together again would not reach one-third that of a cross which has been supposed to have been three or four meters in height, with transverse branch of two meters wide, proportions not at all abnormal. He calculated: supposing the Cross to have been of pine-wood (based on his microscopic analysis of the fragments) and giving it a weight of about seventy-five kilograms, we find the original volume of the cross to be .178 cubic meters. The total known volume of known relics of the True Cross, according to his catalogue, amounts to approximately .004 cubic meters (more specifically 3,942,000 cubic millimeters), leaving a volume of .174 cubic meters lost, destroyed, or otherwise unaccounted for.

      now that wasnt hard to find and now you have been corrected, and as for purgatory and indulgences in scripture heres a link:
      http://www.catholic.com/tracts/purgatory

      Really you need to do your homework on these issues.
      Christ be with you
      -Joboww

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  • searching for the Truth
    Posted on November 14, 2011 at 7:35am

    Reminds me of a story one of our Pastors told about Elvis Presley – Elvis stuck his head in their Church doors one day and replied, ” Just checking to see if rapture has taken place yet.”

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    • Eliasim
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 7:40am

      I don’t personally care myself about their issues because their Pope has called for a one world government and one world bank.

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    • searching for the Truth
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 8:26am

      Not all.

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    • angelcat
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 9:06am

      Eliasm, the Pope has Not done so. It was some group of bishops that released their statement WITHOUT the pope’s approval. It was THEY, not the Pope, who called for the one world stuff. Since then the Vatican has cracked down on public release of statement papers like this by groups unless they are approved by the Pope. Even Catholics misunderstood what happened, though it now has been cleared up on EWTN, Catholic newspapers, and other ways of communication within the Catholic Church.

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    • AppleAnnie
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 12:23pm

      The Pope did not say anything or write anything about a one world order/bank. This was put out by some entity in the Vatican. It did not have papal approval. It has since been retractred/

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    • smithclar3nc3
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 2:05pm

      line up and supporting social justice with the same people that support gay marriage,abortions,atheism,communism and host of other anti-biblical agendassee where you find yourself oh supposed keepers of God’s word. Remeber a machines is as good as the sum of all ity’s parts. If you stand with secular progressive in social justice you stand with them in atheism and all their other agendas by default. If YOU‘RE IN FOR A PENNY YOU’RE IN FOR A POUND

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    • AppleAnnie
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 4:44pm

      A word regarding the “Pope” saying or advocating for a one world order/one world bank. Not true. The Pope never made that statement. The Secretary of State for the Vatican has revoked the announcement and will enforce a “clear it with me before you publish” policy. The author of this announcement is a liberal think tank within the Vatican and made statements on its own. The POPE said nothing of the sort.

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    • Kitsune
      Posted on November 15, 2011 at 11:05am

      I don‘t know why people can’t see that if there’s GOING TO BE a “One World Government”, it‘s going to be the Khilafah under the Shari’ah.

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    • SaraD
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 1:43am

      Glenn Beck is a Mormon. They believe that God did not create people and you can get your own planet when you die. Muslims thought 72 virgins were incredible, lol

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  • ares338
    Posted on November 14, 2011 at 7:33am

    No…the problem is that leftists are becoming more unfriendly to anything American. Religions are partly to blame for kissing leftists butts and trying to appease them.

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    • markthespark
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 7:49am

      Many religious leaders in pre-WWII Germany urged their flocks to vote FOR Hitler.

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    • commie_LOVER
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 10:51am

      @markthespark
      Hitler also murdered thousands of Catholic priests and religious.

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    • Cornflake
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 8:35pm

      I agree with your statement. If one has national pride, then one is considered to be an enemy to the government! They want us to be part of the global government, with one economic system, one religious system, and one political system. That system will disarm us, and through socialism which will quickly turn into tyranny, will become communism. Those of faith must start suing as much as the atheist, and the ACLU sue to take away our religious rights! It seems there is only one religion that our government t. is friendly toward, and that is the government that is communist but puts the face of religion in front for it’s face! Can we guess which one that is???

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    • SaraD
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 1:41am

      I am really thankful this is a secular country. Science is not a liberal conpiracy against religon.

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    • bitterclinger
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 11:53am

      Gee, would that include the bishop of my diocese who told one parish that I know of that they MUST vote for Obama (in 2008)?

      Unbelievably, only HALF of those attending walked out.

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  • lukerw
    Posted on November 14, 2011 at 7:33am

    WRONG! Soros and the Wings of the Government are on the attack!

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    • smackdown33
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 7:47am

      Do you mean George Soros, the follower of Marx, Alinsky, Piven? Are you referring to Stern, Sunstein, Axelrod, Bloom, Berwick, Summers, Orszag, Lew, Emanuel, Bernanke, Feinberg, Bernstein, Klain, Kagan, Ginsberg, Sutphen… all of whom happen to be Jews? And, we fear Muslims?

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    • lukerw
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 10:39am

      Alike Jon Stewart… Soros… is a Jew who hates Jews… just as the Liberal Jews of New York & Florida oppose the policies of Israel! Go figure…

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    • Buttercup
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 5:12pm

      Umm, just a reminder: Jesus was a Jew, so were all the Apostles, and all of their ancestors. Jesus lived and died a Jew. The Apostles and all those who were disciples of Jesus’ “Way” were later to become the first Christians (Christ-followers). Protestants were offshoots of the Roman Catholic Church and came much later, in the age of King Henry VIII, Martin Luther, John Calvin, John Knox, etc.

      Let‘s not quibble about what’s different in our faiths. Let’s look for what we have in common. God is our Father and in His eyes we are His, no matter how we worship. Religion is merely how we express our beliefs about God. Faith and religion are not the same. The bottom line is that we DO believe in God, and these days, that’s so important.

      A priest friend of mine and a wonderful teacher, when I expressed doubts and conflict about what I saw going on in my Catholic Church, once told me, “Just remember, keep your eyes on the center (Jesus), because all the rest will drive you crazy.” That was 20 years ago and I’m still a Catholic — and a conservative one at that, having moved from left of center to right of center. It’s made my life a lot easier.

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  • daszim
    Posted on November 14, 2011 at 7:25am

    Read the financial statements of many Catholic charities, and you will find the root of the problem-Government provided support. An institution cannot keep its religious identity when it is taking hand out from the government.

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  • LindzJ
    Posted on November 14, 2011 at 7:25am

    I think the point we should all take away from the article is this: people of faith are being attacked and are waking up…we ALL need to stand together on this stuff.

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    • angelcat
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 9:08am

      Exactly – it is not just Catholics under attack. I watched a program Thursday (World Over on EWTN) where there was an interview with someone (I wish I could remember his name and title0 who gave a laundry list in which all Christians are being attacked and marginalized by this administration, and gave examples of how it will continue to do so. It was quite an eye opener.

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    • annice77
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 9:20am

      You hit the nail on the heard. If they can attack the rights of the catholic church. They can attack the all churches.

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    • Dismayed Veteran
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 11:43am

      You are correct. While many believe my faith is not Christian, keep in mind that all Christian faiths are under attack by the left. Maybe if we just respected each other we can defeat the anti-Christian movement before it is too late.

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  • rfycom
    Posted on November 14, 2011 at 7:24am

    Maybe the Christian faith is letting us down.

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    • Halo9x
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 10:26am

      No, it’s not the Faith that is letting people down. It’s way too many of the so-called leaders who are doing the letting down. As a member of the church of Christ I strongly urge everyone to get back to what the Bible actually says and leave man-made traditions that conflict with God’s written word.
      When some denominations are embracing “Liberation Theology/gospel” which is Marxist based and others are giving in to the gay agenda, or the gospel of health and wealth, it is past time for people who profess the name of Christ to stand up for the true Gospel.
      Jesus Christ did not come to make us wealthy or equal, He came to save us from our sins and recreate us back into the image of God. It is time to renounce everything that is false and be faithful to Christ, no matter what.

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  • The_Almighty_Creestof
    Posted on November 14, 2011 at 7:17am

    This is very disturbing. In the past, hard times have increased the number of those believing in God & Christianity.

    I think the internet has a lot to do with this. At no other time in history, has our population density been so high, yet most have never even spoken to their neighbors.

    Though it essentially involves a deep & personal relationship with our Lord in a one on one interaction, it is short lived and believers are easily swayed to leave the path of light without being involved with a church and its social functions.

    Today, most people would rather stay in their homes…and limit their social interactions to a few close friends, relatives…and a myriad of unseen faces on the internet.

    What a shame, that such a great invention, will be the downfall of civilization.

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    • smackdown33
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 7:19am

      Quite the opposite. This new invention prevents the few from controlling the message. It may save us.

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    • The_Almighty_Creestof
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 7:44am

      Possibly, but I believe that shortly (if not already) they’ll have the ability to shut down all or part of the internet. Leaving the only info coming out of it, precisely what they want you to see and hear. The internet will be no different than radio and tv with a Hugo Chavez mindset in office.

      The lifesaver has been and always will be ham radio…and I am a sad panda that I know so little about the whole system and its components.

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    • smackdown33
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 7:49am

      You are correct. They are trying to take this powerful tool out of our hands.

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  • Thatsitivehadenough
    Posted on November 14, 2011 at 7:13am

    That’s because there are so many communists in the media, education, and government now that they are deliberately attacking religion and indoctrinating and putting pressure on peers to become non-believers. It’s part of the original communist plot to destroy the USA from within. And, sadly, it seems to be working.

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  • loriann12
    Posted on November 14, 2011 at 6:58am

    Of course Obama is against the Catholic religion. He was forced by his mother to attend a Catholic school as a Muslim child in Indonesia. Funny how all his classmates in Indonesia said he was Muslim before he was elected, then changed their story to, well, he played at the mosque, he joked around during lessons on the quaran, etc.

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  • momsense
    Posted on November 14, 2011 at 6:58am

    Not a Catholic, but I definately support the. Archbishop. If you can‘t see the assault on Christianity and Anglo culture going on around you than you’re part of the problem. When we can’t celebrate Christmas or Easter but have prayer rooms in public schools for Muslims during Rumadum (?), when there can’t be the Ten Commandments–the basis of Western Law in court houses, but we can have celebrations for CINCO DE MAYO in which Americans are not allowed to wear clothing with the AMERICAN Flag on it because it might insult the Latinos( many of whom are here illegally and sponging off working America’s paychecks) there is definitely an assault going on especially on Anglo culture with the eye to demeaning degrading, revising it according to Com munist interpertation and eventually deleting it all together.

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  • Athanasius
    Posted on November 14, 2011 at 6:57am

    “Liberal” Catholics and other “progressive” Christians put their faith in politics rather than in the power of Christ, and their concept of “social justice” owes more to Marx than to the Jesus who told us that we can’t serve two masters. So naturally they cry heresy when the Church puts evangelization ahead of their left-wing agenda.

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  • italy2007
    Posted on November 14, 2011 at 6:56am

    I am a conservative Catholic and am in the minority. The Church has no one to blame except themeslves as they indirectly contributed to this by giving its silent nod to the Kennedy’s, Cuomos, Pelosis’s of the world who do not accept any teachings of the Church especially abortion, gay marriage and others. All we can do is pray that their minds are opened to Christian values not man made values that go againt God and his commandments.

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    • loriann12
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 7:07am

      Wow, a conservative Catholic? You ARE an endangered species. I know a Catholic in my son’s Boy Scout troup….I know, makes it sound like I don’t know of any others, but anyway….He’s a great guy, but he’s a liberal and totally supports Obama. I have to wonder, why? Does he not see how he treats Christianity?

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    • NHwinter
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 8:05am

      I am a conservative Catholic also. Sent my children to Catholic school. The sad part is the Catholic schools stopped teaching as they did when I was young. They teach a fluffy religion. The priest scandel hurt the church and has been over emphasized compared to scandels in other faiths, which is higher than in the Catholic church. Its time for the church to get back to teaching sound doctrine and it time to fogive the church. We need to support our churches as they try to combat what this administration is trying to do to all Christian religions. We, on the Blaze, should stop the Jewish bashing by some and stop fighting each other on differing Christian concepts. We need to stand united against anti-Jew and anti-Christian. Support leaders of all faiths that come against anti-religion and stop, for Heaven’s sake, the PC for muslims. What fools we will be if we do not stand together.

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    • Athanasius
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 10:47am

      I’m a conservative Catholic – there are more of us than you think (and not all who call themselves Catholic actually practice or adhere to the faith). I’ve taught in Catholic schools for the last quarter century: that’s why my kinds are homeschooled.

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    • Dismayed Veteran
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 11:50am

      I am a conservative Catholic. Most of the parish is conservative. Of course, I live in a red state: Nebraska.

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    • angelonquest2000
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 9:27pm

      stand strong fellow believers in these end times we are going to be persecuted, and outnumbered. it doesnt matter what we are as long as we believe in jesus. soon we might need to rely on each other as the world gets increasingly against christianity and our Lord.

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  • louise
    Posted on November 14, 2011 at 6:47am

    Chaput said:

    The America emerging in the next several decades is likely to be much less friendly to Christian faith than anything in our country’s past,” Chaput told students last week at Assumption College, an Augustinian school in Worcester, Mass. “It’s not a question of when or if it might happen. It’s happening today.”

    The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops meets Monday in Baltimore for its national meeting feeling under siege: from a broader culture moving toward accepting gay marriage; a White House they often condemn as hostile to Catholic teaching; and state legislatures that church leaders say are chipping away at religious liberty…….

    If the churches of man would stop wringing their hands over what the world thinks of them and start preaching the Truth from their pulpits, they would witness the strength of belief.
    Catholic doctrine is not the Truth of God. You will find God’s Truth in His written word. God will give you ears to hear and eyes to see so that then you will know the Living Word (Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour). God will draw you HIMSELF. You will hear His voice that will turn you around and change you. God does the drawing, and God does the turning. And the shed blood of Jesus Christ is your covering.
    This is what you bishops and self annointed “fathers” should be preaching about and be concerned about. Speak the Truth.

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    • joboww
      Posted on November 20, 2011 at 11:01pm

      Catholic doctrine is not the Truth of God. You will find God’s Truth in His written word. God will give you ears to hear and eyes to see so that then you will know the Living Word (Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour).
      -Louise you do realize that the bible was put together by the Catholic Church, it is the written word of God, Amen. What is the Pillar and Bulwark of the Truth? look it up in the Bible (hint: 1 Tim 3:15)
      When people argue over docterine and right practice what are they to do? (hint: Matthew 18:17) Now what church is this, and dont you think that Jesus left a church that the gates of Hell shall not prevail against (just a thought)

      God will draw you HIMSELF. You will hear His voice that will turn you around and change you.
      -Mormons, Muslims, Christian scientists all have “inspired books” that make them feel good and seem right; the Bible is not inspired because it says its inspired, its inspired because the Church guarantees it like she does all her Dogmas
      God does the drawing, and God does the turning.
      -no doubt but we are his workers who plant the seed for him to grow
      And the shed blood of Jesus Christ is your covering.
      -in Baptism (water) we enter into the body of Christ and are not just imputed grace but infused with it, so much so that we are no longer feces covered by snow, but the snow itself by his grace

      This is what you bishops and self annointed “fathers” should be preaching about and be concerned about. Speak the Truth.
      -apost

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  • grady52
    Posted on November 14, 2011 at 6:41am

    Stand with Israel and our lord Jesus Christ and you will be safe.

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    • smackdown33
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 6:45am

      Grady, Israel does not support Christianity. Israel stands opposed to Christianity. What ever happened to commonsense and facts?

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    • searching for the Truth
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 6:50am

      Your correct GRADY52 .

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    • searching for the Truth
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 6:53am

      Even if they were to hate you – always love Israel – then one will be standing with the Lord as well.

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    • smackdown33
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 7:01am

      You had better re-read John Chapter 8. In Christ’s own words he tells you what he thought of the Pharisees and their descendents.

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    • searching for the Truth
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 7:39am

      Man, I’ve been reading the Bible ever since I was 8 yrs. old – King James Version – “ But” I ask the Lord for understanding.

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    • searching for the Truth
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 8:08am

      The word ” stumbling block ,” Thousands of years ago and even until today, man has placed a hard surface on his floor to be able to sweep out his ” house.” The house the Lord wants one to sweep belongs to man. The Lord has placed a stumbling block in all the homes of man including the the house of Israel that man may trip upon like a raised stone in one’s floor and fall face down to the Lord Most High. However, the Lord never forsakes His promises – it is man that only forsakes his. Those that curse Israel shall be cursed.

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    • searching for the Truth
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 8:16am

      It is just fortunate though, that the Lord Most High, is over ” damage control.”

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    • searching for the Truth
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 8:19am

      The original intent of the Lord’s temple was and still is , ” man’s heart ” – the temple He wants us all, to clean out.

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    • searching for the Truth
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 8:25am

      When we stumble on the Stumbling Block and most definitely, we will fall – we ask the Lord for forgiveness, brush ourselves off , and stay pointing towards the Lord.

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    • Two Trees
      Posted on November 15, 2011 at 4:58am

      While new ones can be added, covenants aren’t “erasable.” Jews are, by definition, Sons of Abraham. They are members of the Father’s household by blood covenantally. Christians are sons of God through faith in and by the body and blood of Christ.

      It’s true that a rabbinical council exiled around 90AD and that they disconnect Jesus from Isaiah 52-4. But isn’t there “more rejoicing in heaven” for lost when they are found? Or put another way, is the prodigal son any less loved while he’s away living in defiance? When they do return the Father will rejoice. Pray that you (or I) are in the Lord’s joy and not the bitter brother. The Father wills not to lose even one of his flock.
      On a lower level, Israel shares US interest in mid-east regional stability in particular the avoidance of hegemonic Islamist aspirations and caliphate.
      Judeo-Christian is a term that makes clearest sense when either/both is held in contrast to atheistic materialism or to islam. The God of the Jew and Christian, for instance, because He is perfect cannot change: truth does not change nor does perfection. The gods of Islam, environmentalism and materialism do change: allah changes his mind about things; environmental dogmas change from worrying about ozone and recycling to warming to biodiversity /population control and burning much needed food (ethanol); materialism dictates a new kitchen and TV every half decade and each week demands new women’s fashions or body piercings etc

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    • Virgil_Lance
      Posted on November 17, 2011 at 3:28am

      Just look at the history of the Jews, and the history of the enemies of the Jews, then you will know Gods relationship with his chosen people and you will know where to stand.

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    • joboww
      Posted on November 20, 2011 at 11:07pm

      @smackdown33

      you do realize even as he said all these things about the pharasiees he told his followers to observe what they taught and to not practice those things that contradicted them. The pharasees were corrupt, but they sat in the chair of Moses (by the way this is not in prior scripture, perhaps tradition?) and they should be followed because they were given the authority like the apostles who handed down their authority until today…do the math

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  • onestepcloser
    Posted on November 14, 2011 at 6:38am

    For decades academia has been indoctrinating young minds with anti-American curriculum. Marxism, Socialism & Communisim have been glamorized. The current administration has been dismantling our country’s foundation brick by brick & restructuring our nation to be alligned w/ the European model. Our media outlets have been Co-conspirators in the process frequently demonizing religion. Americans must not sit idly by as Silence is acceptance. We need to protect our Founding Principles & save our Republic. If we do not learn from history we are doomed to repeat it.

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    • smackdown33
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 6:48am

      Marx, Alinsky, and Piven are Jewish. Communism sprung from the Jewish well of the kibbutz, commune, communism… all the same.

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  • alwayshappy
    Posted on November 14, 2011 at 6:32am

    Thank you, Archbishop, for saying publicly what a lot of Christians have been thinking privately for a long time.

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  • searching for the Truth
    Posted on November 14, 2011 at 6:29am

    That spirit is the caus e of the hatred towards Christians.

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  • searching for the Truth
    Posted on November 14, 2011 at 6:28am

    The anti-Christ spirit – the ” great falling away.”

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    • Two Trees
      Posted on November 15, 2011 at 5:06am

      Aside from evoking the diabolical mock-trinity image, your words remind me of an interesting idea I had a couple years ago. John the Evangelist wrote of the number 666. He didn’t know his gospel letter would be part of “the bible” much less numbered in a standard way. But for their prophesy to be valid, prophets don’t necessarily know the full meaning of their visions or the messages they must deliver. But look at Gospel of John 6:66. It’s the rejection of Christ in the Eucharist. A large number even of Christians even view it as those who leave Him in that verse.

      Is that perhaps near the core of the problem?

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  • foobear
    Posted on November 14, 2011 at 6:26am

    It’s amazing so many Catholics vote Democrat, when the party is so out of line with their beliefs.

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    • Git-R-Done
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 10:23am

      I‘m Catholic and I won’t vote for the Democrats.

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    • teamarcheson
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 10:58am

      I no longer believe our votes are counted anymore. I think we lost our right to vote years ago to ACORN, The Black Panther Party, and Democrats. Vladimir Lenin stated when asked about voting that its not really important how people vote, what is important is who gets to count the votes. November 2012 vote counts have already been turned in and Obama won as we all expected. America has ended and most Americans are still in a state of denial. Just like the leaders of Israel sold their people into slavery, our leaders sold us into slavery too.

      Only TEA can set you free now.

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    • Dismayed Veteran
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 11:53am

      I am 63 years old and have never voted for a Democrat.

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  • grudgywoof
    Posted on November 14, 2011 at 6:26am

    Even here in Tennessee the ACLU and Freedom from Religion groups have banned together to make prayer at high school football games illegal. Imagine your coaches and team mates can’t pray for a safe and sportsman like event. Our school boards a running scared because of law suites and they are enforcing the new rules at the peril of teacher and coaches jobs. Everything is being turned upside down because of the communists influence in our court systems. It’s time for civil disobedience.

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    • smackdown33
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 6:42am

      Ask Glenn Beck’s pal, Rabbi Lapin, who’s involved in the Christian kill. It‘s Christian’s long time enemy. Its enemy from the beginning, which began in Gethsemane. http://www.alliancedefensefund.org/Home/ADFContent?cid=2615

      The Rabbis words: “The membership of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), a champion of ultra-liberal causes, is disproportionately high in Jews. The ACLU’s leadership is almost reminiscent of a temple board meeting. . .

      The anti-Christian arbiters can be found everywhere, but most concentrated in those areas where culture is formed and remolded.
      http://articles.latimes.com/2008/dec/19/opinion/oe-stein19

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    • grudgywoof
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 7:22am

      Smackdown33 Yes Jews run a lot of things i.e. Goldman Sachs and many of the banking houses. Yes they run Hollywood but I’m not jealous of them. In fact I don‘t find it ironic at all that Jews out perform many other ethnic groups and that’s why God chose them as his people. Do they do the right thing all the time? Absolutely not and all you have to do is look in 1st and 2nd Kings to see how lecherous they could be and that’s in their own words. As a Christian I have been adopted into this family as well and I find that as time passes we work together extremely well. I enjoy my Jewish friends and they are comforted in the fact that we Baptists got their back. We are all souls who will have to deal with Gods judgment as individuals. Love your neighbor is what Jesus said. Also forgive them they know not what they do.

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    • smackdown33
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 7:36am

      Grudgywoof, don’t confuse ethnic Jews with the religious Jews of Judaism. The ethnic Jews do so well because of their well honed skill of ethnic nepotism, much like that practiced by the Sicilian mob. It is very easy for the few well organized to control the majority who is ignorant and unorganized.

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  • 100 Million Patriots Standing
    Posted on November 14, 2011 at 6:25am

    America Is Becoming ‘Much Less Friendly to Christian Faith’ Than Ever Before
    vs.
    America Is Becoming ‘Much More Friendly to Muslim Faith’ Than Ever Before

    it‘s not faith that’s the issue – it’s which faith is more acceptable.

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    • AJAYW
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 6:30am

      I agree

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    • pennswoods
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 12:30pm

      I agree. The Bishop tells the truth and we should all heed his warning. Believing Christians of all faiths AND religious Jews must all stand together in the face of the double headed threat of the far Left and secular liberals allied with radical Islam to destroy our culture and nation. The survival of our Western Greko-Roman, Judeo-Christian Civilization is what matters. These petty anti Catholic bigots here should realize that when they smear the Catholic Church, Latin and Orthodox, they mock themselves. I ask them, when was the word “trinity” invented to define three persons in one God? It was at the Catholic Council of bishops of Eastern and Western Church at Nicea in 325 AD organized by the Roman Emperor Constantine. The term“Holy Trinity” is not in the Bible but almost all Protestants, as well as Catholics’s, use this term when they say the Apostle’s or Nicean Creed at their Sunday services. Another question I have for them. What Church existed from Pentecost until the Reformation and still exists? The Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Catholic Churche (es).

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  • Steve0218
    Posted on November 14, 2011 at 6:22am

    Atheists/Agnostics are far more outspoken today than ever before. In the past most of them simply didn’t believe but were not offended by those who did. Today there is much hate speech coming from them. Richard Dawkins, Christopher hitchens and Harris incite this mentality in their modern writings.

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    • DagneyT
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 6:34am

      All of the thugs have become more bold, brazen, outspoken, etc., since odrama was sworn in! It seems like his election was their permission to come out in the open! Witness the occupy movements, etc.

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    • RichNGadsden
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 6:41am

      Their supporting left wing buddies in the courts make it possible for them to do this. The left is anything BUT tolerant.

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  • smackdown33
    Posted on November 14, 2011 at 6:22am

    The Catholic hierarchy has been its own worst enemy. For decades, they have been supporters of the progressive left and its causes. The Catholic leadership sold out its traditions, and its core people, in the 1960′s. The hierarchy lost its soul when it decided to go along in order to get along.
    The church is Christian, not Judeo-Christian. Judeo-Christian is a political term re-packaged for political purposes, and the consequences are now becoming blatantly apparent.

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    • momsense
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 9:17am

      One thing that Conservative Catholic Christians should think about is that others Christians will be just as discriminated against as you claim you are. It isn’t just all about you.We all need to recognize that biggotry is an equal opportunity destroyer– you won’t be the only ones with your heads on the block.

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  • Blitz
    Posted on November 14, 2011 at 6:21am

    Jesus never bowed nor should any Christian church to the polictics of the goverment. Keep the faith Bishop and the good works. Remember blazers regardless of what church you attend we are one body in Christ. Peace

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    • marjorie faye
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 10:00am

      Your assertion is biblically inaccurate. There is no virtue in uniting with groups who disobey Christ,and there are actually stern warnings in Scripture about doing so. One huge way to disobey Christ is to fail to stick with what He taught, which is found nowhere except in the Bible, not the mind of the popes who through the centuries have added to the bible to come up with their doctrines. Search the Scriptures but you will find no basis for praying to dead people or for elevating the earthly mother of Jesus to the position of Queen of Heaven. Both those concepts smack of paganism. There are serious warnings in Scripture about tampering with the truths taught by Christ and His apostles… and the only place to find those truths is in God’s word, which Christ upheld without hesitation as truth. There are warnings in Scripture about “going beyond” the teachings of Christ and adding to them or twisting them in any manner. So no, uniting with other religious groups just for the sake of getting along is not a “virtue” supported in Scripture.

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    • Sugabee
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 11:22am

      Regarding “praying to dead people”:No one prays to dead saints, because those in heaven are more alive than we are. The Lord is God of the living, not of the dead. The fervent prayer of a righteous man is very powerful (Jas 5:16). Those in heaven are surely righteous, since nothing unclean can enter heaven (Rv 21:27). Those in heaven are part of the Mystical Body of Christ and have not been separated from us by death, but surround us as a great cloud of witnesses (Heb 12:1). They stand before the throne of God and offer our prayers to him (Rv 5:8) and cheer us on as we run the good race. Intercession among members of the body of Christ is pleasing to God (1 Tm 2:1-4) and even commanded by him (Jn 15:17). Those in heaven have a perfected love, so how could they not intercede for us? Christ is the vine, and we are the branches; if we are connected to him, we are inseparably bound together as well. Can the eye say to the hand, “I need you not”? Neither are we to say we don’t need the prayers of our brothers and sisters (alive here or in heaven), because salvation is a family affair.

      Regarding Mary as Queen of Heaven: Since the destiny of all Christians is to reign as kings and queens with Christ in heaven (Eph 2:12; Rv 1:6; 5:10), and since Mary is the preeminent Christian, there’s nothing wrong with giving her the title which Christ, the King of Kings, bestowed upon her in making Mary his mother.

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    • Dismayed Veteran
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 12:00pm

      @Marjorie

      Remember your words.

      When they come for you remember you did nothing when they came for the Catholics.

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    • libertylover55
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 12:09pm

      Margery Faye: I admire your firm belief, but Christ loved all people and told us to do likewise. You show hatred to other Christians when you say you can’t stand with them. How do you know your interpretation of the Bible is correct? Maybe Satan knows something you don‘t and doesn’t want you to find out the real truth.

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    • schmite123oh
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 5:03pm

      @ liberty Have you not read? beware of wolves in sheeps clothing? Have you forgotten the son of perdition Judas iscariot was amongst the twelve and yet he was of the devil? be not deceived, test the spirits. 2 Timothy 5—16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

      ist corinthians chapter 14

      For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

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    • Blacktooth
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 5:25pm

      marjorie faye,

      I enjoyed your comment because you are paying attention to our Bible.
      Christendom is loose in their adherence to the good instructions from Jesus Christ.
      The thousands of so-called Christian churches all interpret the scriptures to suit their own ideas and forget they are to support God’s Word, not their own.

      So, to get through the narrow gate, we all need to be real genuine Christians, with accurate knowledge of the scriptures. – John 17:3

      Accepting interfaith, inaccurate understandings, is like walking on a broad spacious road, accepting false teachings and traditions of men, like accepting leaven into the true Christian congregation and this is not to be accepted. There is a difference between Christendom and Christianity.

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    • Greenwood
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 8:09pm

      @SUGABEE…………It is the 144,000 that will rule as kings and priest with Christ over the great crowd.
      If everyone was to rule then who were they to rule over? Revelation 7: 9 ( a great crowd which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues………..
      Revelation 14: 1 – 5………………These were bought from among mankind as the firstfruits to God and the Lamb.

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    • YellowFin
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 10:13pm

      Greenwood,
      I understand what you are saying. But may I say, you could take some time to explain why you are using a scripture. Many may not understand a scripture without laying some groundwork first.

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    • WhiteFang
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 10:47pm

      Yellowfin,
      Hey, where have you been? Haven’t heard from you for awhile. Good to see your back.

      Greenwood,
      Perhaps use just one scripture at a time, with some explanation, would work better. :-)

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    • Greenwood
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 11:29pm

      @YELLOWFIN………..I was responding to this Sugabee post

      Regarding Mary as Queen of Heaven: Since the destiny of all Christians is to reign as kings and queens with Christ in heaven (Eph 2:12; Rv 1:6; 5:10), and since Mary is the preeminent Christian, there’s nothing wrong with giving her the title which Christ, the King of Kings, bestowed upon her in making Mary his mother.

      Yellowfin and Whitefang………….thank you for the advise

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    • WhiteFang
      Posted on November 15, 2011 at 12:41am

      Greenwood – “Regarding Mary as Queen of Heaven: Since the destiny of all Christians is to reign as kings and queens with Christ in heaven (Eph 2:12; Rv 1:6; 5:10), and since Mary is the preeminent Christian, there’s nothing wrong with giving her the title which Christ, the King of Kings, bestowed upon her in making Mary his mother.”

      I do have to fine tune your comment please. It is not the destiny of all Christians to reign as kings and priests but is for those who are anointed, chosen to do so, 144,000 in number. -
      John 5:9-10, Revelation 14:1
      No where in God’s Word does it indicate that Mary is the preeminent Christian. There are no preeminent Christians, they are all to be equal.
      And Mary was chosen by the Almighty God Jehovah to be the mother of our Lord Jesus. As such, she was honored by God, and Jesus also honored her, as his earthly mother. She probably was/is part of the anointed 144,000 who will rule with Christ in heaven in his kingdom.

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    • WhiteFang
      Posted on November 15, 2011 at 12:49am

      Oh Greenwood, my apologies; I took Sugarbee’s comment to be yours. Sorry, just goes to show how much egg is on my face. :-(

      Good night my friend.

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