Philly Mayor Seeks Ban on Churches & Community Groups Feeding the Poor Outdoors
- Posted on March 15, 2012 at 8:12am by
Billy Hallowell
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PHILADELPHIA (The Blaze/AP) — Philadelphia Mayor Michael Nutter wants to ban community organizations from feeding the hungry and homeless in city parks. While he says controversial measure is being implemented in the best interest of those in need, critics believe his methods are more rooted in tourism protections and city profit.
Philadelphia Mayor Michael Nutter
Nutter says he wants the homeless to eat indoors, where mental health and medical services can be provided. Currently, there are several outdoor locations where the poor show up in large numbers — sometimes by the hundreds each day — to receive food and nourishment.
“My motivation is not to exclude anyone,” Nutter explains. “I want a hungry person in need to know they can go to a clean, dry place.”
In a press release announcing the decision, Nutter said:
“Today, I am announcing a new policy initiative aimed at increasing the health, safety, dignity and support for those vulnerable individuals who now gain their daily and often less than daily sustenance from well-intentioned people distributing food on City streets. For many years people of good conscience have fed the hungry on the streets of Philadelphia and I very much appreciate their efforts. But I believe we all can do better. I believe that if we join together, marshal our good will and resources, that we can help vulnerable, hungry people of Philadelphia in more effective ways.”
But organizations that already serve meals outdoors say the ban is a ploy to get the homeless out of high-traffic areas, like the Benjamin Franklin Parkway, home to many of the city’s museums. In fact, one of the feeding locations is very close to the $200 million new Barnes Foundation building (a museum), which is scheduled to open in May.
The reaction to the regulation has been swift and diverse. Philly.com has more:
Sister Mary Scullion, cofounder of Project HOME and the city’s most visible advocate for the homeless, said she backed the proposal but would monitor it carefully.
“I’m here today taking a risk because I honestly believe that [the Nutter administration is] trying to move forward in ending hunger and homelessness in our city,” she said. “This is not an easy position, but I do think it’s a great opportunity.”
Brian Jenkins, executive director of the Chosen 300 Ministries, a network of 73 churches that feeds homeless people at several locations around the city, including on the Parkway, said the mayor was guilty of discrimination.
“It’s a clear violation of civil rights,” he said. “The reality is that before the Barnes Foundation comes in, they are trying to get people off the Parkway.”
Nutter says the true aim is to offer better and safer food to the hungry. He says the city will set up a temporary space for serving meals at City Hall’s northwest corner and offer free food safety classes for organizations that want to serve meals.
The ban will take effect following a 30-day comment period.
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Comments (123)
Dismayed Veteran
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 9:48amLet’s see. When OWS started last year, there were many postings about getting the OWSers out of parks and public areas. Comments also included the homeless who were getting food from OWSers. There was almost unanimous comments that basically said: “Throw the bums out of our parks.”
Why now does it seem that a mayor who just did that is criticized for doing exactly that. He didn‘t say don’t feed the homeless. He said feed them indoors. Don’t tell me that any of you would put up with homeless people congregating and eating in your nearest neighborhood park.
This is a mayor taking local action to address the concerns of local citizens while not denying charity to the less fortunate. I like my government at the local level.
Report Post »Soldier_FORTHERECORD
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 9:57amDismayed – It’s not that the mayor wants the homeless inside for altruistic reasons. It‘s the fact that he’s using a new regulation to do it. I‘m sure if he didn’t reach for the full power of government to make the move happen he would find much less opposition. Acts of good will are something that happen best at the lowest level. Perhaps meeting with the charities and having an honest discussion of the issues involved would help the community arrive at a solution that did not include a new regulation?
Report Post »alivelyundertaker
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 10:01amI’m sorry Dismayed, I disagree with you for the most part on this. I like CHURCHES to take care of the needy, NOT the government. This is just another slap from your liberal nanny state saying, “you can’t do it, the people aren’t to take care of people, just the government. Trust us to do it, you really can’t do it without your government”. And yet another silly law on the books.
Report Post »Detroit paperboy
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 10:05amI see his point , he is looking out for his city’s image, and thats his job…. It does appear cold hearted though, he should just call his good friend Nancy, and ship em all to San Fransisco…. One Way tickets of course…..
Report Post »PossumRoadkill
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 10:17amNow that you put it that way. Yeah, I agree with you.
Report Post »JimL
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 10:19amConsolidating power under arbitrary governance / good/ bad/ neutral?
Report Post »B_rad
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 10:41amLet’s try to gain a little perspective, people. Do you want any person or organization forming a line outside your restaurant or office to hand out food to the homeless? Imagine your family trying to enjoy a day at the park or seeing the sites of a historic city, then having to contend with dozens of homeless lining up to get free food. Moving them away from high traffic areas is keeping the areas clean and safe for tourists and businesses to enjoy the area, free from obstruction and nuisance. Simultaneously, this moves the food indoors which provides for better ability to ensure the food is safe. I don’t see why this puts hardship on anyone. The worst case scenario is these homeless, most of whom choose this lifestyle, have to walk to a location rather than have their free food delivered to them. Oh, the horror.
Report Post »JimL
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 10:49amIt’s not just about sandwiches. “CARE”- defined by the State- for the State –will also be dispensed.
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 11:31amYo B_RAD;
Report Post »I agree with you. This Mayor has a pretty good reputation, and it seems like he is trying to please EVERYONE. Feed the people , but do it in a way and place that is most suitable. So much for trying to please eveyone … why do we make things so difficult ???
2theADDLED
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 11:49amFeeding the homeless in the open reflects badly on local Governing body it shows that there may be a problem with those in charge so it must be quelled and appear that homeless just don’t exist.
Report Post »Just shut up and eat your Government issued confinement loaf.
Bum thrower
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 2:04pmHad the same idea in Houston recently. Amazing how these leftist mayors all seem to be on the same page………….Hm….
Report Post »2theADDLED
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 2:58pmThe homeless are useful but not at this time not until Election day they will needed to bribe the homeless with a $20.00 bill if they will vote for them.
Report Post »Ruler4You
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 3:06pmSo how long before church socials and picnics are “made illegal?” and then your own BBQ?
Government “IS” INSANELY out of control.
Report Post »goahead.makemyday
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 4:56pmThe problem isn’t that they are moving indoors. It‘s that they’re using laws to do it.
Report Post »qzak491
Posted on March 19, 2012 at 8:24pm.
Report Post »It will be interesting to see how he treats the OWS that want to use the parks this summer.
Byrn67
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 9:37ami see alot or tax payer funds going to philly inorder to build homeless feeding shelters . Or is it he wants to keep the churches away from the homeless .homeless and hopeless makes good occupy and union fodder .
Report Post »cessna152
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 9:55amWe have fed the homeless in Philadelphia for many years. The homeless (most) don’t like the state run shelters due to crime, violence and theft. Most of the homeless get a check from the government…monthly. Some homeless people clear over $20,000 per year..it gets a bit complicated. This is simply about the government supplying their needs and the government being their god. Guess who will get the votes as well? A person that knows the truth about Jesus can not be easily manipulated, hence the government TAKE OVER!
Report Post »Anyway, this is a clear message that the government does NOT want Christians teaching about Christ when they are fed. The Christian organizations give out better items and are more health conscience than the state run facilities. This is an obvious attack on freedom of Religion under the guise (again) “for their/your safety”. Making it illegal simply proves my “theory” to be fact. Because a truly CARING government would give the option and make both available. Disingenuous to the core!
Minonkman
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 9:29amThis is country wide, this story is just about one place. Ask yourself this, why is this happening more and more across the country, if it is not part of a larger agenda.
Report Post »sw12
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 9:39amIt’s not about location. They want everyone to believe only the city, state, government can help them. Not churches or good people.
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 9:54amWe are spending one trillion a year on policing the world and nation building. We are spending 338 billion a year on illegals..American citizens are homeless and starving in America.. Does that make sense?
Report Post »Thatsitivehadenough
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 9:24amNutter at least has the right name. Can’t have people seeing other people being kind and caring. Only Big Brother can give food to people.
Report Post »deano24
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 10:29pmI believe that Philadelphia Mayor Michael Nutter just wants to get more medicare & medicaid funding through the U.S. Government by claiming that he has more homeless in the centers. “Mayor Michael Nutter” said that he “wants the homeless to eat indoors, where mental health and medical services can be provided. Currently, there are several outdoor locations where the poor show up in large numbers — sometimes by the hundreds each day — to receive food and nourishment.
Report Post »B_rad
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 9:20amIt’s a little knee-jerk to assume this guy has an agenda other than keep his city areas clear for tourists and business people trying to enjoy the city. Remember, this is the guy we all praised a few months ago for calling out parents for not keeping a better handle on their ne’er-do-well kids. He has to balance keeping the businesses happy while not providing undo hardship on those trying to help these people. Making sure they have a building to safely provide help, while simultaneously getting them out of the way of tourism and business is good for everyone.
Report Post »SpankDaMonkey
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 9:23am.
Report Post »Doing the same thing in Houston. The Gay Mayor don’t like homeless people……….
kuhl
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 9:10amNutter is compasionate…as long as you are on his side and don’t make “his town” look like a ghetto… What next Mr mayor, bring back the poor houses?
Report Post »NHwinter
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 9:27amI actually understand his concern for his city and tourism. What he should do then is provide places for meals to be served. Gyms, stadiums, whatever, where there are bathroom facilities and warm, comfortable areas for people to eat. Tourism is important to cities. I don’t think this is discrimination. What do the churches do when the weather is bad? If the Mayor would provide warm, or cool (in the summer) safe places, I think this just might be a good thing.
Report Post »BobtheMoron
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 9:54am@NHWINTER Bless your baby heart, you just don’t quit understand.
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 1:07pmYo NHWINTER:
You, just don’t quit; understand, keep that “kindhearted’ way!
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 1:09pmYo Kuhl;
So… as a mayor you would invite the “getto’ in.
Report Post »sizzlinsexybeckster
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 9:08amThis guy is gross. There’s nothing wrong with handing a homeless person a sandwich. Our rights are being meddled with too much and it’s way too out of control. I used to be homeless and lived off a bag of Halloween candy. A stranger did give me a huge plate of spaghetti, although I just twirled it around and didn’t eat it not knowing if he had drugged it because he just wanted to try to sleep with me. Ugh. It’s hard being a gal. This Nutter man is gross. Philadelphia should be embarrassed by this man, and to spite him, everyone should go outside with loads of sandwiches and even hang out with the homeless people, even buy them some new good walking shoes, or a notepad with a pen – maybe they actually have something to say – better than what you read on the net. Nutter is a dweeb, his name makes the Nutter Butter cookies look bad – change your name bud!
Report Post »JACKTHETOAD
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 10:29amSIZZLIN, Nutter‘s been trying his best to get a handle on Philly’s problems since he took office, and that’s a BIG job. When the OWS legion is shortly unleashed, his problems are gonna get even bigger. I think he’s trying to make it harder for them to eat before it starts. If they don’t eat as much, they won’t poop as much, especially in non-pooping areas. The OWSers have been known to mingle with the homeless to get a bite to eat. If you go there with sandwiches, be able to tell the difference! If you’re as your screen name says, those buggers might try to get you into one of their tents.
Report Post »mikenleeds
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 9:07amjust government over reaching again , am sure he is one of king obama butt boys
Report Post »hempstead1944
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 9:04amWhat is this guy thinking?
Report Post »Moozmom
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 9:00amSounds alot like abortion. It‘s not really killing if you can’t see it. Same with feeding the homeless indoors-if you don’t see them, they don’t exist.
Report Post »HKS
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 9:11amOnly a liberal could come up with this stuff. Pitiful, just pitiful.
Report Post »Jenny Lind
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 9:00amMy daughter feeds homeless in the park on Sundays with her church in Lancaster California, her 13 year old son goes and talks to the people as well as feeds them. They love what they do, and are watched over by male members of the church for their safety. I consider it an act of love and compassion, the city keeps an eye out to, they work together. Maybe they can find another place so the mayor can keep his nice area clear of the needy.. I could say more,but I won’t.
Report Post »HorseCrazy
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 1:19pmGod bless your kids! I have a young son and we work at the Gospel mission together. There is no better way to teach kids and grandkids about gratitude and helping others than working with those in need. Hopefully this city won’t have their charities gravely impacted by these regulations. I am blown away we are now regulating charitable work very sad.
Report Post »sawbuck
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 8:52amI have a feeling this has more to do with stopping church’s being charitable ,
Report Post »than trying to curb the homeless and the needy for the sake of tourism…..
Always an angle…So much for brotherly love.
jcldwl
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 9:04amYou are spot on.
Report Post »B_rad
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 9:15amThat is the impression I got from the headline, but after reading the article, I really don’t think so. This is the same mayor who called out parents a few months back for not keeping better track of their children, so I think he’s generally on the right track. He has to balance caring for the needy, while keeping the city clean and businesses free from the obstruction and nuisance created by dozens of homeless congregating in high traffic areas. Carefully and creatively providing incentive to move these people out of these areas is good for his city and doesn’t provide undo hardship to anyone trying to help them.
Report Post »JimL
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 9:22amPrescind
“Aided dying is neither euthanasia nor suicide,” said Terry Barnett, president of the Washington branch of Compassion & Choices advocacy group.
see, Washington state to enact assisted suicide law, (AFP) , Mar 3, 2009
Report Post »Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 9:30am“My motivation is not to exclude anyone,” Nutter explains. “I want a hungry person in need to know they can go to a clean, dry place.”
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I don’t understand the outrage, here. Yes, an argument can be made that government is over-stepping their boundaries, but I believe they SHOULD be eating indoors, where it IS cleaner and the homeless cannot just throw the trash on the ground. If people are hungry, they will come to places that feed homeless. Those places do not need to go out and feed them. Let the homeless get the exercise of walking to a place to eat, instead of catering to their every need.
JimL
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 10:00amTemperature Rising
Report Post »90′s: lawsuit against local Philly churches for housing and feeding the homeless– code violation.
80′s: the church bells rang silent– code violation.
70′s: PCed our image of god.
60′s: traded freedom in for license.
One Man Progressive Wrecking Crew
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 8:49amThen It‘s ’his people’ who will go hungry for the most part, so be it ‘bloooood’… you feed em then, and don‘t put em on welfare either at the people’s cost, although I’d bet many of them are not even needy, and like many panhandlers would rather hold an coffee cup all day smoking free crack than work, and half the other half are stealing as much as they can get away with. A quarter are truly needy.
I‘ve never been on anything and I’m freaking crippled, so I don’t have much sympathy except for children….. if I can do it every day like many others do as well, than so can anyone else aside from wounded physically & mentally U S Vets, who should NEVER be homeless.
In fact they should give some of these foreclosed houses to ALL the clean from drugs and alcohol homeless vets as far as I’m concerned.
Report Post »Itsjusttim
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 8:48amIt all comes down to that they want to replace God with government. Of course it won’t work because the reason so many Americans are already tired is because government has already replaced much of God. More government will just make people give up altogether. But how do you tell that to egomaniacs who view themselves as God’s or tell it to people whose mountains have melted fading away, and they are tired of dimensional thinking? You can’t, and it’s become to a point one can just watch it unfold.
Report Post »Itsjusttim
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 8:51amThis country is as doomed as doomed can be.
Report Post »Itsjusttim
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 8:59amAll the locusts which are the great numbers of Gog and Magog are going to eat and eat until there is nothing left to eat, and they will eat each other into oblivion. And then the Lord will put his foot on that Dragon, and shove it so far into the sea of fire, that I think people will rather enjoy the new earth and Heaven that comes down.
Report Post »Itsjusttim
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 9:08amI guess you can kind of tell that I‘m not very worried about man’s freedom being an issue. Because you’ve already been for the longest time “In spiritual captivity” and that’s why no one ever really knows the things of which I speak, and that they 100 percent will come to pass. You know, all the music, all the toys, all the sports, all the media, all the things right in your face, is captivity.
Report Post »D-Fence
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 8:43amSoylent Green; is p e o p l e.
Report Post »Manofmystery
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 8:43am“Nutter’s no doofus. I think he’s showing foresight to starve the OWSers ( at least make them spend some of their parents’ money ) this coming spring and summer in Philly.”
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Now that‘s an angle I hadn’t thought of. I disagree with the ban, but…..if it works to keep the “fabled, poor 99%” that are on the governments teet of welfare out of the parks, we might be able to let it slide. At least long enough until local Starbucks get tired of schlepping containers of free coffee back and forth to help those spongers.
JimL
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 8:40amA promised sandwich and “Relative Care” administered out of sight. Wow.!?
Report Post »dolphfan54
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 8:38amIt’s always easy to spend OPM, I’m sure that Nutter has taken into account the amount of money that the churches and other groups have been spending on the food and services that will now all fall on the city. The fine people of Philadelphia are about to be fleeced again.
Report Post »joleary
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 8:34amMaybe we can collect the homeless and more them to reeducation camps. Show them the errors of their ways. If the government runs the program it is doomed to fail and/or cost to much. Feeding in homeless in a less noticeable area is not helping the homeless. It’s hiding them.
Report Post »poorrichard09
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 8:46amHey-get them into a gov’t. funded place, indoctrinate them with socialist propaganda and register them to vote as democrats! Just in time for the election! perfect.
Report Post »GeorgeWashingtonslept here
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 8:30am@Jackthetoad: Well that may be true, but the picture they show isn‘t a OWS’er. Maybe it’s a combination of the homeless and the brainless, i don’t know.
Report Post »JACKTHETOAD
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 8:42amNo, really George. I think Nutter’s a good mayor and a good man. Besides, it’s just MHO.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 8:27amLiberal compassion at it’s best. It’s better for people to starve than have someone feed them with no government regulation. I guess Jesus would have been crucified for feeding the 5,000 if Nutter had been Prefect of Judaea instead of Mayor of Philly.
Report Post »progressiveslayer
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 8:36amIf you recall the Marxist in chief wants to do away with the tax deductions for charitable contributions and this is an extension of that policy.Government doesn’t like competition and so they alone will feed the poor thereby securing a voting block and ensuring generational poverty.
Report Post »One Man Progressive Wrecking Crew
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 8:53amI don’t know about this guy, as he was the one who came out over last summer and slammed his ‘people’ for flash mobbing in Philly when all that rash of Black crime was going on remember? Here’s what he said:
“Philly Mayor Michael Nutter to put the entire city on lockdown with a 9 p.m. curfew for all citizens under the age of 18. Mayor Nutter went so far as to appear in a church in Philadelphia to proclaim that these young people had “damaged” their own race. “
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 8:58amOne Man, I’m not going to pin a medal on the guy for opposing violent, criminal mobs.
Report Post »One Man Progressive Wrecking Crew
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 9:00amI wasn’t pinning a medal on him, I was pointing out what a duplicitous mouli he is BRAH.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 9:13amI’m down wit dat One Man.
Report Post »No Quarter
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 8:26amLet the city then build the food courts and provide the meals for these people.
Report Post »that way they can provide (safe) meals and a safe location without Cheeta i mean Mrs BHO having to worry about meals lacking proper nutrition…..
WyomingPatriot
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 10:39pmmy understanding is that, as long as the meals include greasy chicken nuggets then it should pass muster.
Report Post »Rhiboat
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 8:24am5 of us
Report Post »ran the Philly marathon – We stayed in a hotel the night before ——early am we walked from the hotel to starting point threw some park —-not one bench was empty people sleeping under the benches on top of benches -makeshift tents — people sleeping on the ground ————-MMMMMMMMM i guess it was kinda like a zoo —They were waitin to be fed by the charities
progressiveslayer
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 8:32amYou’ve just described the Marxist utopia our Marxist POS president envisions for all of us,and if he‘s allowed four more years of destruction of our republic and defiling the constitution the Marxist heathen will achieve his goal of ’fundamental transformation of America’.
Report Post »Marine25
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 9:21amMMMMMMMMM i guess it was kinda like a zoo —They were waitin to be fed by the charities…
or die.
You walk by hundreds of homeless in the middle of November in Philadelphia and you are moved only to compare them to zoo animals and mock their dependence on charity?
How christan of you.
Report Post »ChildofJesus
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 8:24amI hope the church continues to follow Jesus’ command to help the widows and orphans (the POOR) in their distress. This isn’t an issue what the worldly government has the right to command we can obey but when it comes to disobeying what our God commanded then we have a choice! no ifs ands or buts thats the bottom line.
Report Post »BostonHarold
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 3:35pmThere but for the Grace of God go any of us in Obamaville. Hard times are coming for ALL of us so Bill Ayers can thin down the population. It’s Marxism 101. We are in the cruelest economy in American history. The wolf is at the door. Plan on drinking muddy water and sleeping in a hollow log.
Report Post »GeorgeWashingtonslept here
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 8:17amWhat a load of BS……………you are sooooooooooooo full of it Nutter! All of a sudden you give a rat’s rear end about the homeless eating outdoors………….????????? They’ve been eating outdoors for decades you doofus!
Report Post »JACKTHETOAD
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 8:23amNutter’s no doofus. I think he’s showing foresight to starve the OWSers ( at least make them spend some of their parents’ money ) this coming spring and summer in Philly.
Report Post »smithclar3nc3
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 8:32amNo one wants to visit that shi7 city anyway traffic sucks,it smells,they have mobs of black teens running around flash mobbing areas…..fu88 philly
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 8:45amSMITHCLAR3NC3, Early in my military career I had a buddy at Ft Bragg from that area who always called the city Filthadelphia. Never really gave it a second thought. Until back in ‘91 I was part of a prisoner escort to the states from the Mannheim facility. Philly was our first stop where the prisoners stayed over night in the Naval brigg. It was then that I learned what he really meant at it being Filthadelphia. That was the best description that I could have ever thought of.
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