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Piven: Violence Is Okay if It‘s a ’Big Part of Your Strategy’

In a way the least interesting part of this clip may be the part in the headline. Frances Fox Piven, of Cloward-Piven infamy (see James Simpson’s analysis here), is talking about the Deacons of Defense and their role in the Civil Rights movement. She seems to be saying that the group was a proponent of violence rather than active defenders:

Two excerpts via NZPatriot:

“I have considerable respect for non-violence, but I don’t treat it as inevitably a necessary rule. The reason I have respect for non-violence, is I think it helps to protect the protesters.”

“Unless you have good reason for breaking the window, probably you shouldn’t do that. Unless it’s you know, a big part of your strategy.”

Analysis via YourDaddy’s Politics:

Had I not researched the Deacons a bit more and you read the rest of this article and watched Piven spew her hatred for America you would not have known these Deacons were armed militia that did not incite violence but defended against it.

The article referred to there is this one:

During a desegregation effort at the Jonesboro High School, the authorities brought up fire trucks and prepared to hose the black students attempting to enter the school. The Deacons pulled up and four men publicly loaded shotguns and then made it plain that the lead was for the firemen if they turned the hoses on. The firemen wisely beat a retreat.

This was a very significant event. This was a self-defense effort in the spirit of the American War for Independence. The government was attempting to exercise illegitimate power (enforcing an unbiblical law which by this time also violated federal law) and it was repulsed by the use of community force — by the militia, if you will.

The Deacons were in the great tradition of American freedom — liberty is not given by tyrants and thugs, it is wrested from their hands by force.

Comments (112)

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  • 4kidsandacat
    Posted on September 13, 2010 at 11:46am

    Good lord! I know what she is saying is absolutely deplorable, but I just can’t get past my initial thought. That is, “What the heck happens to these liberal women that makes them so hideous? Or is it the fact that they are ugly that makes them lean left?” Sorry. ADHD.

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  • alkmetro
    Posted on September 13, 2010 at 11:42am

    Has anyone else noticed that liberal women are often Ugly in appearance as well as mind?

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    • mrfred
      Posted on September 13, 2010 at 2:37pm

      Maxine Waters? Hillary Clinton? Barbara Mikulski? Bella Abzug? Helen Thomas?

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  • NotaLemming
    Posted on September 13, 2010 at 11:34am

    I love it. Its is so rewarding to know my work, ferreting out this liberal crap, is getting noticed now. GO THEBLAZE.com !!!!!!

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  • ppeltonen
    Posted on September 13, 2010 at 11:29am

    I feel sorry for her. What a wake-up call she’s going to have when she finds out that she is not immune to the violence she calls for.

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  • tarpon
    Posted on September 13, 2010 at 11:26am

    I have constipation … sure she is nonviolent, before she is violent. The mobs that was displayed “the white mob” was that the old Democrats KKK?

    Quite the looker isn’t she.

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  • Holly Woods
    Posted on September 13, 2010 at 11:10am

    Breaking windows, destroying the property of others, physically harming others and using cohersion to intimidate someone is against the law. It is clear that she – and those who she inspires – have absolutely no respect for the law.

    Ms. Pivien is intellectionally and morally dishonest on every level. The first rule that she lives by is to create or manufacture a crisis or take advantage of a tragedy. The second is to have “cadres of aggressive organizers” and the third is “the end justifies the means”.

    The whole cycle does nothing but “use people” to reach the stated objective of Clower & Piven strategy which to hasten the fall of capitalism by overloading the government bureaucracy with a flood of impossible demands, thus pushing society into crisis and economic collapse.

    The saddest part is that they “use” the very people they proclaim to help. ACORN, SEIU, many inner-city leaders, race-baiting orgainzations and eco-terrorist, etc. do little if nothing to solve the real problems of their constituents. If they did, things would be getting better not worse.

    Finally after 30-40 years of being lied to and the main-stream-media becoming more irrelavent, the pendulum is swinging the other way. Americans are waking up to the fundamental truths. Integrity, honesty and accountability (not blaming) will be the hallmark of the next real leaders of this nation.

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    • KevRo65
      Posted on September 13, 2010 at 12:32pm

      Well Said. Here’s some one who gets it. I sure wish there were a lot more who understood what you do.

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    • Je9Jeanine
      Posted on September 13, 2010 at 5:56pm

      This is the most informative response I have seen to this article. Thank you.

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  • Marylou7
    Posted on September 13, 2010 at 11:04am

    Sorry but I just can’t get into the evil mindset. This woman and her progressive friends apparently know nothing but protest strategies. They all need to get real jobs and try working for a living just once in their lives. Just look at this administration and all the progressives that have been popping up lately, they are all in the government or professors.

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  • Outland9
    Posted on September 13, 2010 at 10:48am

    The sooner we all wake up and realize the current progressive movement underfoot is an attempted coup d’état upon our Nation and not just some “ideology” difference, the sooner this “transformation” can be put down. Let’s not pretend this “movement” just happened my accident – the stars and planets lined up or the current administration (elected officials/czars/legal bench) who are in place and abusing their positions are doing it in the best interests of our Nation or it’s people!

    This is a flat out in out coup (albeit) a coup of deception/theft/misrepresentation, but a coup none the less – eventually we have to conclude violence, the removal of our Constitutional rights or National Sovereignty will take place. This isn’t a simple debate of ideas or a trend in which our Nation has elected to go. We are on the precipice of tyranny that has/is taking power through deception rather than the lawful use of representation and majority republic decision. The “progressive” enemies of our Nation have been waging a war against our freedom for some time. Our system has slowly been bastardized by the very people who were entrusted to protect it (on all levels). These same people are now seizing power and enacting illegal laws against We The People. The time is upon all citizens to heed the call of freedom and remove these autocratic charlatans.

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    • poppopschell
      Posted on September 13, 2010 at 10:56am

      Outland, great observations. Bottom line, that’s what Glenn Beck is doing… exposing this who plan. Why do you think he is NOW the target for so0 much smearing? Glenn is dangerous to the PTB Progressives in both the DP and GOP.

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    • jcatlanta
      Posted on September 13, 2010 at 1:11pm

      Fortunately this is why our founders gave us the 2nd amendment.

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    • AstrOptika
      Posted on September 14, 2010 at 7:08pm

      Well stated, OUTLAND9: There is a second witness to this condition we find the government in today. When a group of people conspire to subvert the government and suceed the country will collapse. The Mormons have a book that tells of such a collapse. The times were different but pride, lust for power and evil do not change. Read the from Helaman to the end of the Book of Mormon and you will see parallels to our day. You don’t have to embrace the religion but notice the similarities of the Gadianton robbers to our present day situation. There is a way out, however, and it is plainly stated in the book. And yes, I am a Mormon.

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  • robert5635
    Posted on September 13, 2010 at 10:41am

    Sounds like islam and liberal progressives have a lot in common.

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  • john202
    Posted on September 13, 2010 at 10:29am

    This is one scary lady. Both fascist and communist dictators for hundred of years have had people like this in their regimes. Vote to save our republic, Vote for freedom this November.

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  • AMERICA4EVER
    Posted on September 13, 2010 at 10:24am

    She sure is preaching to the choir there. I live near Madison Wi. and it sure is a bastion for those like minded idealists. She should try that speech on a more balanced audience.

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  • VanGrungy
    Posted on September 13, 2010 at 10:20am

    “The ‘espousal’ of the goal of non-violence is a form of self-defense”

    Sounds like the regressive progressives are gearing up for the January 21, 2011… I notice the old bat refers to wide scale regressive progressive property damage as “breaking windows”… such a nice way of keeping the horrible thoughts of evil being done in her name down to just a simple thought pattern.

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    • poppopschell
      Posted on September 13, 2010 at 10:35am

      Shame on some Constitutionalists posts. To attack a person’s appearance and try to twist her words is the act of Progessives, not Constitutionalists.

      Let’s put it another way. What if Obama and Company got laws passed to confiscate guns. Would you oppose viloent and organized defense of our rights? I would NOT and will aggressdive ly defend my rights. What say ye?

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    • VanGrungy
      Posted on September 13, 2010 at 10:42am

      She attacks the Constitution…

      What is she defending?

      you are an idiot…

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    • Freelancer
      Posted on September 13, 2010 at 10:43am

      Constitutionalists OBSERVE as well as comment. I stand by my observations and comments. One can be a Constitutionalist and state the obvious at the same time.

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    • VanGrungy
      Posted on September 13, 2010 at 10:56am

      Can someone help me out on this…

      What is the term for the psychological technique whereby you endeavor to keep your mind clear of horror by reducing the grand implications down to simple visualizations that are kept fresh to dominate any pangs of guilt (perhaps)?

      Thanks…

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  • richierich
    Posted on September 13, 2010 at 10:19am

    What the heck was that?

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  • GlennBeckIsADemagogue
    Posted on September 13, 2010 at 10:19am

    After reading Scott Baker’s credentials (cofounder of Breitbart.tv) i now know never to take anything he writes seriously.

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    • poppopschell
      Posted on September 13, 2010 at 10:54am

      Demogogue, why exactly do you consider Breitbart uncredible? Ceryainly you have thyat right but maybe by pointing your reasons, you will convince myself and others of your viewpoint. What say ye?

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    • NotaLemming
      Posted on September 13, 2010 at 11:41am

      I wrote the original headline. And it is a QUOTE FORM HER in the video YOU DOLT!

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    • jcatlanta
      Posted on September 13, 2010 at 12:53pm

      You NEVER would have taken anything seriously he wrote as it doesn’t fit your world view.

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    • jessieH
      Posted on September 14, 2010 at 11:38am

      You mean like Olbermann, Matthews, Schultz, Maddow, and the rest of the so-called-journalists?

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    • theaudacityoftruth
      Posted on September 14, 2010 at 10:51pm

      PopPop, don’t expect reason from progressives…all words, name calling, smoke and mirrors. Never facts.

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  • MikeinIdaho
    Posted on September 13, 2010 at 10:19am

    Be careful whart you ask for there Frances! You may not like the violence you get because it may perpetrated by those seeking to restore the Republic and not by those trying to install marxism in America.

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    • GOTT-EM-MAUSER
      Posted on September 13, 2010 at 10:41am

      This is a typical example of the American Communist Myopia. They have held their Government Franchise on Violence for so long now, that they cannot grasp the concept of anyone else daring to employ it to resist the Progressives. But from firsthand experience, I can tell you that “Violence” is a double edged sword that cuts equally well in both directions. And once it becomes available to both sides of any given dispute, the winner will be decided solely by the level of commitment present on that side.

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    • wingedwolf
      Posted on September 13, 2010 at 3:48pm

      gotemmauser, I believe they think they have us cowed into subservience like beaten dogs, but like the Japanese Admiral Yamamoto said of the Pearl Harbor attack to a subordinate who was celebrating the devastation, “I believe we have only awakened a sleeping giant…” LOL go America!!!

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    • MIKE@NIGHT
      Posted on September 14, 2010 at 3:18am

      Amen brother….Amen!!!!

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    • GOTT-EM-MAUSER
      Posted on September 15, 2010 at 11:13am

      Wolf,

      Yessir, those in government have only their “Illusion of Invincibility” to keep we the slaves in line. More and more people have begun to realize just what a Paper Tiger that is. As Admiral Yamamoto also opined about the Japanese High Command’s intent to invade the United States, “IMPOSSIBLE” we would face a rifle behind every blade of grass!!!” Old Yamo was absolutely correct, he would have a heart attack today if he was facing the number of rifles that are out here now, prepared to end the “Illusion of Invincibility”.

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  • Joseph
    Posted on September 13, 2010 at 10:18am

    She is so twisted in her logic. Someone should drop a house on her!!!

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    • Freelancer
      Posted on September 13, 2010 at 10:25am

      It appears as though someone already did that….

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    • wingedwolf
      Posted on September 13, 2010 at 11:05am

      Nahhhh, Glenda would only help her out from under. But she is paying way too much attention to the man behind the curtain…….

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  • GlennBeckIsADemagogue
    Posted on September 13, 2010 at 10:15am

    Watch and listen to the video clip. Then ask yourself, does the headline for this article match up with what she is saying? I don’t think so. Try watching the clip from 2:42 and listen to her words in context. When Glenn started this site, he said he was hiring real journalists. If that is the case, who wrote the headline for this piece?

    GlennBeckIsADemagogue  
    • RojBlake
      Posted on September 13, 2010 at 10:19am

      Are you seriously suggesting that because the clip is too long it’s out of context?

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    • Freelancer
      Posted on September 13, 2010 at 10:23am

      The jealousy of the left over the success of this site is as evident as stink on cheese.

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    • VanGrungy
      Posted on September 13, 2010 at 10:26am

      Wide scale property damage and industrial sabotage = “broken windows”

      Commie code words.. muslims do it too…

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    • GlennBeckIsADemagogue
      Posted on September 13, 2010 at 10:30am

      to rojblake: no. i am suggesting the headline for this story does not match up with what is being said in the video. i guess we should expect that from a “journalist” who cofounded breitbart.tv

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    • RojBlake
      Posted on September 13, 2010 at 10:40am

      I’m sorry I have to tell you this, journalists have been “hyping” their headlines since the “newspaper” was invented.

      Hurst, Pullitzer, Morrow, you name it. If that’s your basis, stop reading, watching, & or listening to any form of news.

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    • wingedwolf
      Posted on September 13, 2010 at 11:01am

      We don’t understand your demolibersocialcommie language. Perhaps the DEA could hire us an interpreter. The commies didn’t wait long enough to start their America takeover try and this is going to set that little group of psychotic social engineering jerks back quite a few years. You should have waited until everyone who graduated high school pre-1976 was dead. Pre-1976 we were not taught revisionist history and actually took civics classes where we learned how the branches of government were supposed to work and studied the Constitution. You may have heard of the Constitution. It will be the undoing of all you union social engineering social justice demolibersocialcommie freaks!

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    • KevRo65
      Posted on September 13, 2010 at 12:38pm

      You obviously don’t understand or read English very well… She clearly said and it is written in plain English, “Unless you have good reason for breaking the window, probably you shouldn’t do that. Unless it’s you know, a big part of your strategy.”
      Shall I interpret for you… Using Violence is Okay if there is a good reason, if there is not a good reason then don’t do it for the fun of it, unless doing it for the fun of it is part of your plan to create chaos.
      Hello? It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure that out. And for the record that’s exactly what the Headline says by summarizing her own words and quoting the rest. Stop trying to twist it to suit your own agenda.

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    • peezee
      Posted on September 13, 2010 at 5:49pm

      How can you actually defend such a vile hate filled nut job? What the hell is wrong with you?

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  • SheriS
    Posted on September 13, 2010 at 10:08am

    The President’s idol!

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  • LowerLaker
    Posted on September 13, 2010 at 10:08am

    You “probably” shouldn‘t break a window unless it’s part of your strategy?
    How does one draw the line between real intellect tempered with true love of your neighbor and psychotic ramblings; I submit it is difficult and judging by this video she is an educated psychotic person who has chosen enough of the right words to gain and capture an audience, give more time Charlie Manson would have amassed an army, even now he has followers that feel he is the one true visionary and everyone else is nuts for wanting to imprison and silence such a vast mental resource.

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    • GOTT-EM-MAUSER
      Posted on September 13, 2010 at 10:54am

      give more time Charlie Manson would have amassed an army, even now he has followers that feel he is the one true visionary and everyone else is nuts for wanting to imprison and silence such a vast mental resource.

      I fully agree that Charles Manson was/is a complete lunatic. However, so was the fellow that designed/invented the planetary gear set, while locked away mad as a hatter. Manson’s insanity not withstanding, we are now living his prophecy of the future, to a T.

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    • CowwFace
      Posted on September 13, 2010 at 12:31pm

      Hey Got-em,

      Is it really true that the inventor of the planatary ger set was locked up and crazy when he came up with it? Talk about changing the world…. God has a sense of humor for sure!

      Carr on

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    • GOTT-EM-MAUSER
      Posted on September 14, 2010 at 4:02pm

      Cowface,

      I can’t give you a “cite” for it, I read it in the early 70s when I was digging for information on the “History” of the automatic transmission. But at that time, my only interest was in designing and building transmissions for Top Fuel and Funny Cars, so it was just some “Odd Knowledge” that floated to the top, never really thought much about it. But that being said, in reflecting on all the “Engineers” I’ve been exposed to in the last 40 years, most of the really good ones, were at least a half a bubble off level, if not downright Certifiable.

      I remember when the Manson Murders were an item on the evening news. The whole deal, including his half baked theories were absolutely beyond the pale. The stuff the “Twilight Zone” was made of. But as they say, “Hindsight is twenty-twenty”. And I won’t be a bit surprised if it all ends up being back on the evening news again here shortly.

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  • RojBlake
    Posted on September 13, 2010 at 10:08am

    The problem is that the majority of violence perpetrated in recent history has been largely perpetrated by the “so-called” left.

    Look at the G-20 in pittsburgh, the SEIU beat-down etc. For all of the ginned-up fear about the Tea-parties first they couldn’t find any violence, now they can’t find any racisim, in fact the police have actually been complimentary about thier decorum.

    In fact the Tea parties & 8/28 have actually left event sites as clean or cleaner than when they arrived…I’m waiting for a union complaint for “cleaning without a permit”!

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    • wingedwolf
      Posted on September 13, 2010 at 10:51am

      I own a home in Pittsburgh and I was furious that people came here (G-20) and caused so much damage. The ringleaders who did the most (in dollar cost and actual destruction of property) damage were mostly from Canada, some from other states and countries, but Canada was the largest gang of goons, at least according to the police, the majority of those arrested were Canadians. We don’t need or want that garbage comiing here to incite these college kids to violence. We certainly don’t go to Canada and break up their towns. We have never had anything like that happen here, not even when the unions were inciting all the crapola which eventually shut down all the steel mills. I‘m sure our kids aren’t angels, but I am 51 and have never seen anything like what happened. Not that the govt gives a crap what we think, but we who own property here don’t ever want to see anything like that here again. Say all you want about food and hotel sales, but those who made all the money didn’t pay anything toward the damage. We had to do that ourselves, This is and always has been a fairly safe place to live and prosper, We don‘t have much of the problems of other larger cities and aren’t used to that kind of garbage coming here to do harm and we don’t want to get used to it. Keep that garbage where it belongs. It doesn’t belong here. Let them stay wherever they live and break up their own homes and towns. Sorry for the rant.

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    • RojBlake
      Posted on September 13, 2010 at 10:57am

      wingedwolf,
      Don’t apologise, I live just outside of Pittsburgh & it was a complete mess. Not to mention the fact that the city is way to cramped for the security nessecary for all of those “world leaders”, Ravenstahl is a moron.

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    • VanGrungy
      Posted on September 13, 2010 at 11:03am

      Wingedwolf,

      We don’t like those dorks either… The G20 in Toronto was flooded by out of towners, especially from Quebec… Communists, Unionists, Anarchists, the whole leftie cabal…

      For Toronto, it was a wake up call… Most people in Toronto were completely ignorant of the radicals they supported through their political support… Not anymore…

      Toronto has woken up so much, they actually care who becomes mayor this November… The leading candidate for Mayor in Toronto is a strong fiscal conservative… This would become a major victory for common sense in a socialist stronghold…

      Did Pittsburgh have a similar turn of political fortunes after the G20?

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    • wingedwolf
      Posted on September 13, 2010 at 11:09am

      Thanks Rojblake. So you know what I mean when I say the town didn’t know what hit it. I agree about ravenstahl. Let’s turn things around in November! LOL LOL

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    • wingedwolf
      Posted on September 13, 2010 at 11:21am

      Vangrungy, I guess I lumped Canadians together and I shouldn’t have. There haven’t been any major elections in Pittsburgh since, but ravenstahl was re-elected. PA in general seems to be leaning more toward the conservatives, with Tom Corbett in governor’s race and Pat Toomey in senate race seem to be leading. PA used to be a conservative state when I was growing up, but has leaned left in the past so many years. I think this administration has scared the bejesus out of most of us no matter what way we used to lean. I don’t think anyone here except the diehard communists want the kind of country that this president is trying to make us into. I know one person and only one who admits to voting for obama. The talk I hear is that we have to get these people out, but then who voted them in in the first place?

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    • Midwest Belle
      Posted on September 13, 2010 at 2:40pm

      ROJBLAKE said I’m waiting for a union complaint for “cleaning without a permit”!

      Shhhh…. don‘t give ’em any ideas! :)

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    • thegr8restoration
      Posted on September 14, 2010 at 2:18am

      ALL VIOLENCE in the past 100 years has been commited by the left (Stallen , Hitler, Mao, SEIU, etc). Yea I said Hitler he was a Socailist and lefty’s are Socialist.

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    • RojBlake
      Posted on September 14, 2010 at 9:05am

      thegr8restoration,
      Sorry but that’s inaccurate…abortion clinic doctors were not killed by leftists, much of Britans colonial policies would be considered “the right” etc.

      If you had indicated “most” I would agree.

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  • grnhrn
    Posted on September 13, 2010 at 10:06am

    Ask piven if that goes for those who oppose his message also? JESUS don’t leave home without him

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  • KEA
    Posted on September 13, 2010 at 10:06am

    Considerable respect for non violence? What about TOTAL respect for non Violence?

    They used violence AND IT WAS WRONG!

    If the Government is violent that WE THE PEOPLE need to fix it with NON VIOLENCE!

    Violence is ONLY a strategy of self defense! It should NEVER be part of a stratagy for political gain.

    This woman has NO CLUE!

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    • VanGrungy
      Posted on September 13, 2010 at 10:30am

      She thinks like a muslim does about the Christian world…

      If it exists at all, you must defend your ‘way of life’ by attacking until the existential threat is extinct…

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    • thegr8restoration
      Posted on September 14, 2010 at 2:03am

      Oh she has clue if only she had the courage to act instead of sitting on the pulpet preaching to others to be violent. She is a coward and an evil woman.

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    • urrybr
      Posted on September 15, 2010 at 10:59am

      She needs to re-study her history . . . of Nazi Germany, of Soviet Russia, of Cuba, Mao’s China. Better yet, let’s give her a one-way ticket to Cuba, or Venezuala, maybe even Somalia or Iran. I wonder if she’d change her tune, then.

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  • Freelancer
    Posted on September 13, 2010 at 10:03am

    She didn’t get hit by the ugly stick, she got smacked by the whole damn forest!

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    • unionrockstar
      Posted on September 13, 2010 at 2:16pm

      That’s funny!!!

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    • Skwerl
      Posted on September 13, 2010 at 3:14pm

      Very lulzy. Well played old chap.

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    • urrybr
      Posted on September 15, 2010 at 10:56am

      She must’ve been on fire, and someone stamped her out with a pair of baseball cleats!

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    • concerned_citizen
      Posted on January 16, 2011 at 2:47pm

      In fact, what Francis is saying here is that she recognizes that violence has ocurred from all sides in history and that it has helped in many cases to move particular movements forward. For example, had African American people in places like Birmingham not fought back physically against the white mobs and police forces there and throughout the country, civil rights may have not moved forward. Piven is not embracing violence, but stating that it is sometimes necessary for action.

      You forget that we are a country at war at this very second — and are strategically using violence right now for the purpose of strategy and gain. If you disagree with Piven, then you also disagree with war in general. To all those pacifists, who may truly call themselves just that, then you have a point. For everyone else, take a look at your own beliefs.

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  • Flagwaver
    Posted on September 13, 2010 at 10:01am

    Personally, I think calling her that is an insult to the real Queen of the Damned. I think that Lucipher would have better taste.

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  • Skwerl
    Posted on September 13, 2010 at 9:53am

    So spake the queen of the damned.

     
    • Rock Knutne ND
      Posted on September 13, 2010 at 1:11pm

      “The power of persuasion… or if necessary. The Persuasion of Power”

      Those days are numbered…

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    • klstj
      Posted on September 13, 2010 at 1:53pm

      What’s sad is this is the type of person that is teaching our youth. The type of people that are running our country. This is what you get when you don’t have God in your life. Just flat out evil.

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