Police, Aided by Locksmiths, Entering Unoccupied Homes to Turn Off Gas in R.I.
- Posted on December 23, 2011 at 4:42pm by
Madeleine Morgenstern
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Police officers have been entering unoccupied homes to shut off gas meters in an effort to restore service in Rhode Island. (Image source: WPRI-TV)
Police officers, accompanied by locksmiths, have been entering unoccupied homes in Rhode Island to shut off gas valves while crews work to fix a natural gas outage that’s left more than 1,600 customers without service.
Local gas company National Grid said it expects service in all affected homes to be restored by Saturday, the Westerly Sun reported. Officials said customers lost service Wednesday when a contractor let air into the natural gas lines.
As a result, crews went door to door Thursday night and into Friday to turn off gas meters in homes and businesses while roads were dug up and gas pipes purged.
According to WPRI-TV, if no one was home when crews arrived, police officers with locksmiths entered the homes to shut the valves off.
The company will re-pressurize the system once all the valves have been secured and all repairs have been made. Crews will then return to relight pilot lights, likely on Friday and Saturday.
National Grid has brought in additional workers from the surrounding Rhode Island area and Massachusetts to help with the repairs. It has guaranteed all customers will have gas restored by Christmas Day at the latest.
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Talmid of Yeshua
Posted on December 24, 2011 at 4:08amJust another test on how far these Nazi’s can destroy the 4th Amendment.
Report Post »Ruler4You
Posted on December 24, 2011 at 5:19amGee. Out West they can shut off your gas at the meter, outside.
Report Post »loriann12
Posted on December 24, 2011 at 8:45amWow, until I actually read it I was for it as a safety precaution. I thought it was abandoned home, homes in foreclosure, etc. They entered homes of people who happened to be out shopping? I’d sue. No one better come into my house….they’d probably end up shooting my attack beagle (who would lick them to death) and my attack cat (who hides when someone new comes in the house).
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on December 24, 2011 at 9:14amWhat else did these Nazis do while breaking and entering people’s homes?
Did they search for weapons?
Did they leave surveillance bugs?
I’d sue each person involved individually.
Who polices the police?
You better learn that YOU are the police’s police.
Report Post »SgtB
Posted on December 24, 2011 at 9:44am@ Loriann, In Blanchard Oklahoma, when a cop pulled up to a home on a large acreage to ask for directions, he was greeted by a playful dog and instead of getting back into his car, without so much as considering another option, he shot the dog in the head. Your not far off on your assumption. You can find video after video of pets being murdered in SWAT style home invasions for the issuing of search warrants. If the cops kill your dog, your lucky to get a sorry out of them. But when they sick a trained attack dog on you and you defend yourself you are charged with the murder of a police officer.
We live in a police state and I for one remember the story of Sergeant Jose Guerena and how a SWAT team shot him 50+ times in his own home while his wife and children could do nothing but listen in horror as their husband and father was ripped asunder. Then they tried to say that he shot at them, although his weapon was on safe, fully loaded, and no officer had been shot at all. Also, they decided to ensure that he had no chance of survival and didn’t call for paramedics or let paramedics attend to him for over an hour. But from what I hear, they did let his wife cradle his broken bloody body while his last breath exited his chest.
I don’t care who you are or what authority you have. Anyone who enters my home without MY authority will receive lead poisoning before I do. I don’t intend to be another 26 year old veteran and murdered victim of the police state.
Report Post »Suchy
Posted on December 24, 2011 at 10:40amOur house in Dayton Ohio, the gas meter was in the basement, the meter reader had a master key for the entire neighborhood.
Report Post »Lawrence7
Posted on December 24, 2011 at 11:10amYeah, I agree regarding all the more serious violations of the 4th Amendment, but in the effort to keep homes from blowing up after they repair the system, I’m good with it. Natural Gas is nothing to mess around with. And if they didn’t break in and turn it off, and the house blew up or burned, in an entire neighborhood/region… that would be bad.
Report Post »Lawrence7
Posted on December 24, 2011 at 11:15amGiven the many violations of the 4th Amendment, I tend to sympathize, but a neighborhood/regional natural gas disaster would be very nasty. The police helping to keep my house from blowing up or burning down, when I’m not there, I’m okay with that.
Report Post »Lawrence7
Posted on December 24, 2011 at 11:17amSorry for double/triple posts. We updates for this form lags so badly for me I often have to relog and refresh to see new articles and postings.
Report Post »Rowgue
Posted on December 24, 2011 at 1:40pmThey weren‘t protecting anyone’s house from blowing up. There was no gas coming out of the pipes. That was the problem. They broke into these people’s homes to shut their gas valves so they could re-pressurize the system. In other words they broke into people’s homes in order to speed the process of restoring service. It had nothing to do with preventing a disaster or protecting your home.
This was an outright and blatantly illegal action.
Report Post »HollerFreedom
Posted on December 24, 2011 at 1:55amI think it was just an experiment to see if they could get away with doing it. Where is the media outrage? Where is the outcry from the civil liberty groups? Where are the editorials from lawyers and judges denouncing this action? The police, justice department, home land security, FEMA, and White House listened for it and they heard….. nothing. And then they smiled……
Report Post »alxandrs
Posted on December 24, 2011 at 1:49amThere are gas meters in basements. I see them all the time. Natural gas is explosive at 4.5% to 14.5% gas in air.
Report Post »SgtB
Posted on December 24, 2011 at 9:48amBut all gas operated furnaces are built with pilot light safety shutoffs! If the gas in the line is replaced with regular air, the pilot light will not remain lit, the heat switch will sense this, and the gas valve on the water heater or furnace will be automatically shut off! There is no reason to assume that a gas outage will cause houses to explode. The only time that would happen is if a person doesn’t maintain their own property as safe, which would be the homeowner’s fault and not the gas company.
Report Post »OlefromMN
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 10:07pmFor 1, no locksmith will waste more than 2 seconds picking a lock unless they are trying to resurrect the cylinder for whatever reason. Bypass is quick and easy. 2, shutoffs for each service are required by NATIONAL code to be at points outside the structure. Do people actually think homes are built with all services fully “open” and operating?
Sensationalism in the “media” is now rampid. The Blaze has even caught the bug.
Report Post »TomFerrari
Posted on December 24, 2011 at 7:12amFor 1, did you not see the photos? Watch the video?
They weren’t making it up. They were REPORTING that the locks were being picked, and the homes entered.
For 2, do you think ALL homes were built after the national code was developed?
For 3, do you think ALL jurisdictions subscribe to national codes?
(I don’t know about gas, but, national electrical code, which I think is part of the national fire code, is a published set of recommendations. Local jurisdictions may follow them or not. Local codes CITE national code as reference, they cite compliance with national code, and they cite deviations from national code.)
I can appreciate healthy skepticism, but, perhaps it may be better tempered with some research.
RESTORING LOVE , July 26 27 28 , Dallas, TX
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SgtB
Posted on December 24, 2011 at 9:56am@ Tomferrari, I come from a family of electrical contractor and I know that what you are saying about the codes is true, however, the code that requires a pilot light to also have a thermocouple to activate an gas valve shut off switch for safety is extremely old and comes pre-installed on every furnace and water heater built for the last few decades. There are not many if any water heaters that are 30 years old and most furnaces don’t have a pilot light, but a resistance element with a timed delay to shut off gas if the furnace is not lit within a few seconds and will not try to relight until after a few minutes and the gas has escaped the area. The manufacturers of this equipment follow the newest codes all the time, it is the installers that do not always follow the newest code because municipalities don’t require it. However, rarely if ever would an installer remove a safety from a gas furnace or water heater because code allows them to. that would be more work, than leaving the units as is. Your argument is flawed.
This was done all because we live in a police state that thinks they have the right and one idiot at the gas company thought they had some need to do it.
Report Post »Dodsfall
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 8:49pmThere are shut-offs located outside the home along the main line. They are needed in case of fire or to change the meter. Does anyone think it’s a good idea to have to run into a burning house to shut off the gas?
The gas company could simply shut off each residence at the street and leave a note to call them when the owner was ready to have it turned on.
This sounds like fishing expedition by the police.
Report Post »valettie
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 10:35pmI agree the gas can be shut off outside, sounds t me like it was the Police’s idea, but the Gas Co knows better. What’s with them?
Report Post »kralspaces
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 10:58pmHope they turn off the water at the same time.
Report Post »TomFerrari
Posted on December 24, 2011 at 7:23amPerhaps these are older homes? Built before those safety standards were enacted?
I don’t know, I’m just using critical thinking and logic.
Also, if the gas line was breached, and allowed too much air to mix in with the gas, the pilots may have gone out much earlier, and the ACTUAL purpose of entering the homes may have been to air them out of gas that continued to enter the home before the gas was successfully shut off.
ex: 10:00 – line punctured, air enters lines
10:01 – pilot lights extinguish because gas/air mixture was wrong
10:05 – puncture reported
10:20 – crews arrive at first home to shut off gas OUTSIDE, shut off electricity
12:20 – crews arrive at LAST home to shut off gas OUTSIDE
now, it has been almost 2+1/2 hours of gas filling the last home before its gas got shut off outside.
If service is restored, and there is an electrical spark… KABOOM!
(mercury thermostats arc a lot, faulty light switches, etc.)
So, you enter the house, AIR IT OUT, then restore service.
Just a possible scenario. When public safety is concerned, err on the side of safety!
NOTE: I DO NOT endorse breaking and entering homes without court-ordered warrants !
Report Post »wildbill_b
Posted on December 24, 2011 at 9:37am. Enicom, Wayne v United States has no application here. Apples and Oranges. One a report of a injured person, which the court held Miller still applies(you know what Miller is if you have tried to read the Wayne case. Secondly, there is no reason to enter a house for “Gas” issues. Everything has a control valve. No ignition source, no gas flow possible. Only the outrageous ignorance of people like you allow anyone to think this was the real purpose of entering, illegally, anyone’s house.
Report Post »NOTYERHUCKLEBERRY
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 8:22pmExcuse me, but all the gas valves I have seen are next to the meter, OUTSIDE the house.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 7:00pmI understand the Danger… but without a Warrant… this breaches everything that the Founders desired!
Report Post »Patrick Henry II
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 6:54pmI would guess that every house has a main valve to shut off gas. Water electric too. If for some amazingly rare instance there is not, highly unlikely and illegal, sure go ahead. This will never happen though; like I said it is illegal (FERC, DOT, State, city regulations) to not have a shut off valve outside with the regulation and pressure relief. if this happened to mutilple homes it is wierd.
Report Post »Mateytwo Barreett
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 7:50pmthey got“water electric” in R.I. Whoddathunk!
Report Post »Mateytwo Barreett
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 9:14pmIRC code, NFPA211.
Report Post »Mateytwo Barreett
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 9:15pmStrike the erroneous information. It is not the NFPA211- its NFPA54
Report Post »PA-FuBo
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 9:42pmthis is South County, RI.
Old School housing.I did a lot of restoration work in that area. Especialy near Roger William’s Park, Providence.
90% of the old Victorian Houses still have gas lines in for lighting and the old paper wraped wiring w/ two button switches to replace the gas.
BTW……SAY HELLO To my ‘buddy’……Buddy Cianci..“The best mayor a city can have”……………
Report Post »and all my buddy’s over at TEXTRON, You gotta love that Fountain.@.40 West Minster……
And Best of All from RI is ……ROOMFULL of BLUES…(Bob Bell, Manager). ….Hope all is well…..cu soon.
Lather
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 6:33pmI break into homes everyday. I remove all valuables and resell them at Auction, I do very well.
It is all Bonus!! There is a fine line between burglary and Property Preservation. I have all paperwork saying I can do what I want, Cops leave me alone, But I am a Total Cat Burglar. I love my Job.
IndyDallas
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 6:23pmAll gas appliances with a pilot light since the late 50′s/early 60′s have had a safety valve actuated by a thermocouple. That’s why you have to hold down on the knob for a while when you light/re-light a gas appliance pilot light. The thermocouple will not hold the valve open until the lit pilot light heats it enough to actuate. Newer appliances with a piezo-igniter (the “click-click-click” you hear) have basically the same valve, just updated.
Police/Fire/Gas Company employees have no business lockpicking their way into my house. I’d sue everyone, including the locksmith.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 6:25pmI have to agree with you on this one; there is something very suspicious here about this matter.
Report Post »John 1776
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 6:57pmAhhh… if air gets mixed in the line, like they said, and this mix makes it to an appliance’s lit pilot, it will flash back through the line, turning all the gas pipes into pipe bombs. I think this is what they were trying to stop.
Report Post »Mateytwo Barreett
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 7:49pm@ John 1776
Report Post »Flashback, and subsequent “Explosion” You mean like BOOOM! Really! My experience says that the basic combustion triangle therom does not support that allegation. You need to watch vewer Spielberg movies, wither that or they have got some real stupid ( or is it ignorant, I forget) people working at the gas company. However, if you are basing our statement of something a LEO said- well, I can’t contradict anything our boys in blue say, and retain my credibility.
John 1776
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 8:13pm“Officials said customers lost service Wednesday when a contractor let air into the natural gas lines.”
——
gas + O2 + ignition = Boom.
Gas lines must be fully purged or you get the result you had at that power plant last year. (2010 Connecticut power plant explosion, 6 dead.)
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 8:42pmI’d sue them so good…
Somebody ought to be prosecuted. This is breaking and entering!
Report Post »Mateytwo Barreett
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 9:05pm@John 1776,
Report Post »Odd as heck, man! They mujst have some real special gaas OR real special air in RI. Gas lines are cut on a daily basis. Consider that there is “air” in the line. How much is OXYGEN (O2)? Didyou say21%? Exactementa! Now consider the size of the line. 2-3″ probably. How much of the line would be FILLED with air. Once the pressure in the line reaches atmospheric pressure- it stops. . Gases don’t mix instantly. Example? Jet contrails. Without wind , the moisture laden gas will stay in a column for quite a while. When the line is recharged the air (21% O2) would be compressed and move down the in a relatively consitant “bubble” Next you have to have ignition. Which is outside the line after the gas control valve and orfice. If you have too much air, the stuff won’t burn, too much gas it won’t burn. You have to have a substantial concentration of gas and air mixed then apply the ingnition. Propane tanks explode, only when they are punctured, ruptured or exposed to temperatures in excess of 700 degrees for extended periods. My hats off to the publicity arm the utility companies. They have done a wionderful job of convincing people that whether it is gas or electricity, it’s gonna kill ya!
Mateytwo Barreett
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 9:08pm@John 1776
Report Post »J forgot! These homes that were entered ILLEGALLY- were they located inside or outside the confines of a power plant?
semihardrock
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 6:22pmThere will be no lawsuits filed as the ACLU is too busy with work in the DOJ. Sorry RI residents.
Report Post »Truth Wins Every Time
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 5:44pmFYI….All gas companies/police have the right to enter a house to turn off the Gas.
Report Post »Now why do they need to go in the house? Meters are outside.
Because it is a safety concern….shut off gas at meter…..shut off gas valves inside house…..when gas is turned backed on, there will be NO gas escaping from valves inside house. Which may cause explosions.
Once valves are off inside, and gas is back on outside, then they can go in and re-light gas using items….water tank, stove.
Shane74
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 5:49pmI’d love to see a case law that shows that the police and gas company have the right to break into your home.
I wonder if they made notations on things they saw, like say, guns?
Report Post »Truth Wins Every Time
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 5:53pmImagine this……gas man turns off gas outside at meter. Which now means stove/water tank is out of gas and not working, but valves is on the ON POSITION. Gas lines get fixed. Gas is turned back on at meter. All this time, valves INSIDE house have not been shut off. So, gas is flowing through lines in house. Well, shoot, no problem. No one is home. BUT, yepper, here comes home owner, finally home from where ever he/she was. Home owner smokes and unlocks and opens door.
Report Post »KABOOM!!!!!!
Chuck Stein
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 5:53pm@ Shane74
Report Post »Well . . . . under Kelo, the local government can TAKE your property so a a development can be put in that will (supposedly) bring in more tax revenue. Is it such a stretch from that to allow entry for the benefit of a business?
encinom
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 6:23pmShane74
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 5:49pm
I’d love to see a case law that shows that the police and gas company have the right to break into your home.
I wonder if they made notations on things they saw, like say, guns?
___________________________________________
Emergency situation, police do not need a warrent to enter a house if there is a clear and present danger. The Police could nt search the house.
Wayne v. United States:
[A] warrant is not required to break down a door to enter a burning home to rescue occupants or extinguish a fire, to prevent a shooting or to bring emergency aid to an injured person. The need to protect or preserve life or avoid serious injury is justification for what would be otherwise illegal absent an exigency or emergency.
Report Post »Mateytwo Barreett
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 7:42pm@Truth
Report Post »Truth wins every time. A lit cigarette will not generate the temperatures required to ignite natural gas.
The act of lighting one will. Theres this stuff called mercaptan that is added to gas to give it the distinct smell.
Now, as you were saying?
Rob in Katy
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 8:55pm@Truth Wins Every Time
Report Post »Like you said, the main valve is off, no Poof when they come home because there is no gas in the house because the valve has been turned off and as far as I know, they do not turn themselves back on. Any gas in the house will disperse pretty quickly.
kerrcarto
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 5:38pmI used to work for a Lone Star Gas here in Texas and all the meters have a “stopcock” on the service line before the meter. All they needed to do was turn that off and put a blind (a little metal disk) in the meter to stop any leakage past the stopcock. Hang a calling card on the door handle (for a re-light) and move on to the next home. We used to do it all the time. There is no need to go inside if no one is home.
Report Post »sheerterror
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 5:38pmI think they used this emergency to just see if they could get away with breaking the 4th Amendment. Just testing how far they can go.
Report Post »Mateytwo Barreett
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 8:02pmUh-oh! You darned conspiracy theorist. Can you say “test 1, test 2 , check, check!”
Report Post »valettie
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 10:43pmWell you never know, what was their SILLY reason anyway, probly something very lame. SO it’d seem more like for just to see if they could n people NOT make a stink about it.
Report Post »jand777
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 5:30pmNever heard of gas,water, power or any other meter inside someones home. They are located on the outside so meter readers have access. So, what where thet doing inside all these homes?
Report Post »encinom
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 6:24pmOlder homes in the North East have meters inside.
Report Post »Mateytwo Barreett
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 8:06pm@ Encinom
Report Post »Looks like mayber the gas company needs to do some retrofitting. BTW, just how freaking dumb would it be to has a high pressure gas line inside the house. R.I.must have some real progressive thinking.
SidGrip
Posted on December 24, 2011 at 10:54amI just paid $12,000 6 months ago to have the All the electric meters in my building moved outside “per some code”. My water meter is inside and I have 7 gas meters inside. Starting January 1 the gas company in the chicago land area will be going around and moving meters outside if they can. There is going to be alot of hiring by Peoples Gas and the plumbers and pipefitter’s are going to be extreamly busy. The Gas company will move the meters outside free of charge!? But the customer will have to pay to get it reconnected from the meter back into the house.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on December 24, 2011 at 1:36pm@Mateytwo Barreett
Made sense at the times the homes were built, gas meters would freeze in the winters.
Report Post »Cavallo
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 5:23pmWould have been easy to get a warrant and they should have. “Your honor, these are the lists of residences that have not answered. I hereby swear .. yadda yadda.. ” Sign, Seal, Done.. legal, no rights violated.
Report Post »jungle J
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 5:21pmdopers and degenerates never want the sane in thier home.
Report Post »Grasshopper42
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 6:06pmI’m neither a “doper and degenerate” but I don’t want those bastards in my house. Take a drink Jungle J, it might kill the bug up your a$$.
Report Post »randy
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 5:21pmI’m a National Grid Customer in Central NY and a firm believer in the Second Amendment!
Report Post »Bluedog78
Posted on December 24, 2011 at 1:31amPsst, Randy, nobody cares!!
Report Post »Countrygirl1362
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 5:19pmWonder what they did when they broke into a locked house and were greeted by a growling dog?
In all the areas I have lived in the gas meters were on the outside of the homes. Smell more than gas here.
Report Post »AJAYW
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 5:17pmWonder what all they carried off. Oh their cops they are all honest, I forgot I guess
Report Post »jungle J
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 5:23pmnot everyone is like you.
Report Post »AJAYW
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 5:28pm@Addjungle J
Report Post »If your dumb enought to trust cops now days should not complain with what they do. I don’t trust them
Grasshopper42
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 6:09pmGood Lord, will you people take an English grammar lesson! It’s “they’re“ not ”their . . .
Report Post »Jenny Lind
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 9:05pmHouses have “readers” on the outside of the older homes where I live. My “tun off” is in my basement. Alot of houses here were built (and plumbed and connected) in the 1920′s on up. One of the first things to learn for emergency prepardness is where your “turn off” is. If your are not sure, please learn, it could save your home and your life.
Report Post »Jenny Lind
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 5:15pmYada yada yada, hooray for them. Gas explosians when unlit gas is on are horrific. If that’s what they are trying to avoid-good for them. Take you weird hats off.
Report Post »Mateytwo Barreett
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 9:13pmTell you what- I’ll take off my wierd hat, but you gotta put on your thinking cap!
Report Post »Theleftisda
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 5:04pmFirst and foremost gas meter’s are on the outside of homes not inside (UPC) code
Report Post »IMPEACHBHO
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 5:09pmYea, that’s right! All gas can be turned off from the outside meter. The inside gas valves (hot water heater, stove, furnace, etc.) feed off of it, just like your water main by the street.
Report Post »HKS
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 5:10pmI smell a rat here.
Report Post »Mateytwo Barreett
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 8:39pm@HKS
Report Post »It’s not a rat. Rats have a musky odor. This stinks like something much worse. . .The got wolverines in RI?
Trio Management Group
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 5:01pmRemember, they don’t need warrants and can charge you with anything wrong doing they see once inside…….First it is a safety issue, so no warrant. Second you get civil charges if they see you doing something you shouldn’t.
Fail on both points.
Report Post »IMPEACHBHO
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 4:58pmSomething doesn’t smell right here.
Report Post »AJAYW
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 5:20pmI agree and its not GAS
Report Post »sheerterror
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 4:52pmI know they had to fix the gas lines, but not sure I want the cops going into my house when Iam not there.
Report Post »njdaily
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 5:01pmWould you rather have your house explode? Or maybe you’d like your pets to die from asphyxiation. . . Who would you sue if either of those scenarios played out. The Police are supposed to Serve the Public Good and making sure your neighborhood does not become Hiroshima fits into that category!
Report Post »Trio Management Group
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 5:05pmHey NJDAILY, yes, I would rather my house be exploeded rather than my civil rights be taken….if only for a gas check.
Oh, and I would sue the gas company and maybe the county/city/police for failing to keep me safe in the case of explosion.
Report Post »Delta D-5-3
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 5:12pm@NJDAILY………PERHAPS you should read the 4th Amendment! Only idiots would say “but it’s for your own good”, the hell with the 4th Amendment. But then again I see your from that great Progressive state of NJ so it’s make sense, how ironic. Perhaps Moscow might be more to your liking………
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 5:15pmBetter hide your bong when you’re going out then.
Report Post »demint.disciple
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 5:17pm@Trio Management Group.. Yeah right.. Duh !! @ njdaily, Right ?? There is one that must love the TSA keeping him safe..
Report Post »AJAYW
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 5:19pm@njdaily
On what authority did they enter?
Report Post »sheerterror
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 5:20pmWell njdaily I would sue the contractor who let the air into the natural gas lines.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 6:27pmUS SUPREME COURT:
Wayne v. United States:
[A] warrant is not required to break down a door to enter a burning home to rescue occupants or extinguish a fire, to prevent a shooting or to bring emergency aid to an injured person. The need to protect or preserve life or avoid serious injury is justification for what would be otherwise illegal absent an exigency or emergency.
Report Post »Mateytwo Barreett
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 7:36pm@NJdaily
Report Post »I’m trying to frame this response logically. All appliances sold for the past 50 years PLUS have gas control valves. Gas stops- pilot gores out no gas flow. IPI systems wilol not operate without the rectifaction of plame. Now that would leave a decorative set of gas logs, that possibly could have been installed without a pilot system. All natural gas companies I am aware of are responsible TO THE METER/ REGULATOR. There MUST be a stop valve in line BEFORE said regulator. This facilitates removal or serviced of said same. IT is required by LAW. The entry into homes is a violation of the fourth amendment – pure and simple. But back to the basic premise air got into the line- Uh thats a toughy- Male Bovine Feces. How dfoes gas move high pressure to low pressure. Minimal gas pressure inside a gas line would be 2 psi. Thats above ambient pressure. An entity cut the line, the gas stops, pilot lights go out. The gas flow is stopped up stream, the line repaired and the line repressurized.The gas moves toward the downstream outlets, and by virtue of its natural viscosity will, displace the air. To “burp the line, open the system at the end and purge as required..
Either the cops are realy challenged as to basic physics, or they wanted access without a warrant.
BTW, Natural gas concentration must be, as I recall 17-23% for combustion. Just sayin’.
Mateytwo Barreett
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 9:27pm@Encinom
Report Post »Wayne vs US.
Which one of the omes were on fire, the ones they entered ILLEGALY, and since there was nobody home, it would be reasonable to assume that injnury had already been avoided. Now wherein hell, exactly, is the emergency? I can see it now, Encino, in the act of procreation and suddenly a cop appears in his boudoir. Upon being questioned as to the relevance of his unannounced visit- thecop calmly informs Encino that he is there in response to the POSSIBILITY that in the distant future, Encino may well engage in corporal punishment to the fuirtion of Encino’s surrent efforts. Makes sense to me-NOT!