Police Shoot & Kill Armed 8th Grader in Texas
- Posted on January 4, 2012 at 12:25pm by
Madeleine Morgenstern
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Police vehicles outside Cummings Middle School in Brownsville, Texas where police shot and killed an armed eighth grader. (Image source: Brownsville Herald)
Police shot and killed an eighth grader brandishing a handgun in a Texas middle school hallway Wednesday.
Police received a call around 8 a.m. saying there was someone with a weapon at Cummings High School in Brownsville, Texas, the Associated Press reported. Officers found the student with a handgun in a hallway and shot him after he “engaged” police, a district spokeswoman said in a statement.
He was taken to a nearby medical center where he later died, the Brownsville Herald reported. His name has not been released.
Local ABC affiliate KXXV-TV reported that police told the student to put his weapon down and fired three times after he refused to comply.
One additional student has been detained for questioning, according to the Herald. No one else was injured.
Brownsville police Detective J.J. Trevino told the AP a school administrator noticed the student carrying the gun and called police. Administrators immediately placed the school on lockdown.
Trevino said investigators hadn’t determined whether the student fired any shots, and said he had no information on why he might have had the gun.
“It’s still under investigation, as far as how he came about to bringing the weapon or if he encountered anybody or anything else,” Trevino said.
A seventh grade student told the Associated Press he was two classrooms from where the shooting took place and said the school was already on lockdown when he heard three shots. Miguel Grimaldo, 12, said police later escorted students out of the building, where they boarded buses that took them to a nearby park. His mother picked him up late Wednesday morning.
“For now they’re not saying anything, just pick up your kids,” the boy’s mother, Maria Grimaldo, told the AP.
Initial media reports said the armed student was 15 years old, though his age is now unclear. The shooting remains under investigation.
Brownsville is at the southern tip of Texas, 280 miles from San Antonio.
This post has been updated since it was first published.
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Comments (344)
Lawrence7
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 1:21pmGuns don’t kill people, Police kill children, apparently.
Yeah, the kids had a gun, but did the officer pursue every avenue available before pulling the trigger? Probably not.
However, officer has to make a judgement call, kill one student now or risk that student killing a bunch more students later.
Easy call to make is to shoot first and as questions later, I suppose.
Report Post »Bonnieblue2A
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 1:27pmEasy to presume the police took the shooting of an 8th grader lightly. Perhaps you do not consider that the officer who took that shot will have the death of that child haunting him/her for the rest of his/her life? The officers have a right to go home to their children and families at the end of a shift and not to take a bullet so that you can feel better about a child armed with a lethal weapon.
Report Post »hidden_lion
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 1:32pmWow, what great training an restraint by the police. 3 shots to down one 8th grade child. I am pretty certain they could have shot him once and been done, probably even could have just wounded him and still solved the situation. Center of Mass training at its finest. Pathetic.
Report Post »JackDamaris
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 1:33pmPolice did the right thing. If you refuse a lawful order such as the student did, the next step was to shoot him for the safety of the other students and the officer.
Report Post »ex82nddirtdart
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 1:35pmOur local news reported that the officers repeatedly told the kid to drop the rifle. But the kid did aimed the rifle at the officers. So yeah they did thought of one way( which didnt work ) But now options changed when that kid aimed at them. So I am with the officers here for what they did. Also I am from Brownsville and I also attended that school when I was young.
Report Post »manjodad
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 1:37pmMaybe the policeman should have waited until the kid shot him. Then, if the shot wasn’t fatal, they will all complain that the policeman wasn’t killed so he should have waited until he was killed before he shot. My only concern is that the policeman was safe and any means that he has to take to stay that way is okay by me. .
Report Post »texasfireguy
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 1:38pm@hidden lion; are you willing to bet your life on just one shot? If you are shooting to end the threat, you don’t just shoot once. Only in Hollywood or games do you just shot once or “shot to wound”.
Report Post »hidden_lion
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 1:42pmTexasfireguy-
Report Post »Yes, I would bet my life on one shot. Training will get you there too.
Paul G
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 1:42pmGood. For ONCE a to-be thug/not ever gonna be good for society kid was erased from this world. AND we’re not gonna have to hear the pysco-babble about ‘why’ he did it. Who cares?
Report Post »Bluefish49
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 1:44pm@ex82…what was the officer doing standing out in the open knowing the kid had a rifle…was he an idiot?
Report Post »manjodad
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 1:45pmIf he was a problem with him in and out of school, we will soon hear that he was just starting to turn his life around. That is the standard pap that gets spewed out when something like this happens.
Report Post »SpankDaMonkey
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 1:46pm.
Little Illegal with a Gun, who would have thunk it………..
This will not set well with Obama, they just shot & killed a future voter……….
Report Post »PhunkDaPhish
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 1:46pmYou are an absolute ******.
Report Post »oathkeeper10
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 1:47pmEasy call to make when your not the one there. WTF gives you the right to be judge and jury. Walk a mile in mi shoes before you judge.
Report Post »HoggKilla
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 1:48pmQueen said it best….. “Another one bites the dust”. Not a big fan but the song is contagious.
Report Post »Mil-Dot
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 1:49pmEvery time a cop shoots somebody they ALWAYS, and I mean ALWAYS say that the perp pointed the gun at them. That way, they can say that they are justified. I guarantee you that the cops do not wait until you point a gun at them to open fire. They see the gun, they see some meat that can take a bullet, so they shoot. They do not care about somebody else’s kid. Only THEIR kids. A cop would shoot a 3 year old if the brat had a water pistol. So a 15 year old is mere target practice. They love it.
Report Post »lacabeza
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 1:54pmConsequences! Bring a gun to school and don’t immediately follow police request. YOU DIE! Doesn’t matter how old you are. If you think you are mature enough to carry a gun or other weapon then you must be ready for the consequences. Go police!!
Report Post »ex82nddirtdart
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 1:59pm@ blue….it wasnt one officer…….. and no the officers here are not idiots what that kid (which you should in my opinion stop protecting) is the idiot for bring that rifle in the first place. I know in my years of being being a student at that school and high school they have told everyone english and spanish that weapons of any sorts are not allowed in school.
Report Post »JLGunner
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 2:01pmWay to second guess a cop. Have you ever worked in an armed position before? I promise you, this cop will be dealing with this for a long time. I invite anyone on here who wants to armchair quarterback this officer, to stand in his shoes for a day. You go out and get called a pig, risk being sued by every idiot out there that swears they’ve been done wrong, have occupyers sht on your cars and spit on you, and of course, having gang members targeting you just for the uniform all while making sht money.
Report Post »pitboss711
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 2:11pmWhat about the lives of the other children in the school? Do you think the gun-toting 8th grader just brought the gun to school as a joke? Of course the police had every right to shoot. It’s too bad it had to end this way, but it this end was inevitable and the 8th grader brought it on himself. You bleeding hearts need to wake up to reality.
Report Post »Welcome2Texas
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 2:14pmUh yeah guns dont kill people people kill people. If the kid has a gun and is totin it around a school of kids, then yeah cops kill kids. Welcome to Texas, yankee.
They tell him to drop it and he raises it or presents a threat, they neutralize it. Dont matter who or how old.
I agree with your third point.
The fact of the matter is he did what was right and he had the authority to do it. Good for him. I hate that a kid had to die, but yall dont go hating on the cop. Thank God for em. And to that one dude: Cops wouldnt shoot a three yr old with a water gun. Get off of crack.
Report Post »MrHoggLegg
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 2:15pmTo Lawrence7:
Report Post »I’m curious ✡ From where you were standing at the scene of the shooting ✡ Did the Young Man have his back to you or were you able to get a Clear View of the Police Acting Stupidly? ✡ And if you had a Clear View of the Shooting ✡ And knowing the Police Acted Stupidly ✡ Exactly what did you do as a concerned citizen to stop the Police from Acting Stupidly? ✡ I mean since you evidently were there and able to make a value statement about the Police without have to have an investigation performed by the Police or the Media!
RabidPatriot
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 2:15pmWow. Times have really changed. When I was 15 (the age has been confirmed) I was in the 10th grade and I had a job after school to pay for parts for my Mustang restoration that I was doing. Nobody refereed to me as a “child” and much was expected of me. Now, young men take guns to middle school and idiots are calling the cops child killers. Liberalism really lowers the bar for society.
Report Post »rationallyurs
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 2:17pmIdiot–they tried to get him to put down the gun–they did not want to kill him–but what if he decided to shoot other children—maybe your child—-you would blame the police for not stopping him—
Report Post »garbagecanlogic
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 2:20pmHey lawerence, ever been in a situation whereas the other guy had a gun? Even a 3-yr old can pull the trigger and end your life. You are assuming something – and you know the old cliche: If you assume something, it makes and ass out of u and me! Grow up!
The U.S. Out Of The U.N.
Report Post »The U.N. Out Of The U.S.
Benh911
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 2:20pm@ Hidden_Lion,
Report Post »Notice how you said “They.” So it’s multiple officers. It wasn’t one who just saw the kid and started plugging away. Are they supposed to converse with each other first and decide which one of them should be the one shooting? No, when you have a gun pointed at you you don’t have those luxuries.
momsense
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 2:26pmOh please–a kid with a gun is just as potentially deadly as an adult with one.
Report Post »SageInWaiting
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 2:32pmI share your feelings… if there wasn’t another way. However, the kid was in control of his destiny: PUT THE GUN DOWN; disobey the command and point it at the police, you get shot. Some people – kids included – use this method of suicide. This way THEY don’t pull the trigger on themselves; only time will tell if more of the story comes out.
Report Post »kindling
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 2:32pmWhat a stupid statement Lawrence! People of ALL AGES make decissions and there are consuquences for them. The young person chose to take a hand gun to school and history tells us many people have dies when kids bring guns, or knives, or bombs, or what ever they choose to kill with. “But they are just kids!” we hear. I don’t care, this young person has already decided the answer to his problem is to kill the one causing him/her the real or imagined insult. I say when someone has taken that position it is to late. At this point the one to blame is the parents for teaching them shooting in the answer by letting them play games or watch movies that support this. We won’t even talk about gang member families!
Report Post »Tom K
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 2:33pm@LAWRENCE7: You would never cut it as a police officer. I did the job for 31 years and never got shot. When an officer leaves for work every day, this is job one: to return home alive, uninjured and uninfected. A suspect with ANY weapon is dangerous to themselves and everyone around them and if they will not drop their weapon an officer will stop that suspect. There are lots of officers that tried to give the armed suspect the benefit of a doubt or second guess what the armed suspect MIGHT do or just injure the armed suspect instead of shooting center mass, etc. and most of those officers are graveyard dead. A child will kill you just as dead as an adult. Whatever you are presently doing for a living, keep doing it and please stay out of law enforcement, for yourself and your family.
Report Post »Grannie4news
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 2:35pm@Lawrence: What would you have the Officers do, wait until he shoots one of them or somone else and then shoot him after the fact. As the mother of a police officer,. I would prefer if someone aims a gun at him, I pray that he wouldn’t wait for the criminal to pull the trigger.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 2:38pmpolice are not trained to wound people. when an officer shoots, he shoots to end the conflict, not wound the bad guy. Does not matter if it took one shot or ten, if it is necessary to shoot, then you continue to shoot until the threat is no longer a threat. A previous student of mine shot a ten year old who was armed with an AK. They told the kid in mutiple languages to drop the rifle, and he did not drop it. The were working on a plan to attempt to shoot it out of his hands, when he shouldered the piece and aimed at the convoy. we talked indepth about the incident, and he said of course no one want to know they killed a kid, but if put in the same situation again, he would shoot him again.
Report Post »right-wing-waco
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 2:38pmI just love the stupidity of “Monday morning quarterbacks”. If you were not there, you don’t know what happened, and your opinion is not based on the facts. We don’t know if this kid was a geek or a hardened gang member. It is a shame it happened but the police are there to protect the citizens from those that make threats.
Report Post »Spyderco
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 2:39pmYou base your argument on “probably”. None of us were there. We do not have the info the police had. They had to protect the kids that did not have guns. I feel horrible for the family of the dead 8th grader, but the police did a good job.
Report Post »harley 98
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 2:47pmwhere you there ? an eight grader can kill you as easy as a 50 year old
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 2:50pmhidden_lion
What is a policeman suppose to do? Shoot the kid in the leg & pray the kid doesn’t get a shot off as he falls?
Maybe he should shoot the gun out the kid’s hand Annie Oaklie style.
Report Post »nonamesleft
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 2:51pm@LAWRENCE7
Since you were there, can you elaborate on what the police did and said? Also, please let us know what the suspect said and did as well. We appreciate your eye witness information.
(This was all written in sarcasm font)
Report Post »PatriotDave
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 2:52pmIt is utterly amazing that the same folks who are wailing about an armed juvenile be shot inside a school building are the same folks who complained so loudly about the police NOT doing enough at Columbine. Liberals, make a choice – you can’t have it both ways!
Those who would trade freedom for security, deserve neither. – Ben Franklin
Report Post »Depressed_American
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 2:52pmSo basiically what you all are saying is that the student needed to shoot a Police Officer, possibly kill or injure one, before they shot the student. This Child ceased being a Child when he chose to WALK into a School, with a WEAPON. Still that frame of mind, given the amount of School Killings that have occured accross this nation in the last 10 years…….
Report Post »Depressed_American
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 3:01pmAnother question is WHERE did the 8th grader obtain a hand gun from?
Report Post »MuyLoco
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 3:08pmYou’re a complete idiot. This is a happy ending, you dolt. Police did EXACTLY what they were supposed to do, protect the innocent children from was most likely a violent 14yr old. They instructed the child to drop the weapon, it doesn‘t matter if you’re 14 or 40 at that point. If he “engaged” the officers at that point, they really don’t play the liberal, weepy, woulda-shoulda game at that point. People like you with no common sense are EXACTLY what’s wrong with this society.
Report Post »Uechi
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 3:12pmAn eighth grader is perfectly capable of discerning right from wrong and can certainly aim and fire a handgun. What exacrly would you like the police to do when someone, kid or otherwise points a gun at them? Get your head out of you ass!
Report Post »sodacrackers2
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 3:12pmWhy do your thinking out loud, Think it through first before you cast aspersions.
Report Post »AJAYW
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 3:12pm@hidden_lion
Report Post »You are wasting your time texasfireguy knows all, you-re not allowed to express yourself only he has that right- He acts like obama every day .
we can only pray for the youngun
hidden_lion
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 3:14pmWalkabout-
Report Post »If the cops were using any sense they would be utilizing cover when approaching the armed kid. With multiple police engaging the boy from cover, there is no reason they couldn’t have put one in his leg, or rear end and still been protected. I don’t dispute that they were in the right for firing, but only that they lacked strategy and training. A symptom of not training enough with their weapons. If you can hit a 3×5 card consistently under duress, you can wound a perp. Navy seals do it, I can do it and have done it. All it takes is practice. I know people that can draw and shoot quarter’s tossed the air…All it takes is practice
aggiebrewer
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 3:22pmHIDDEN_LION: “I am pretty certain they could have shot him once and been done, probably even could have just wounded him and still solved the situation.”
The fact that you state you are “pretty sure” is indicative of your ignorance. You don’t know JACK CRAP about what you “could have” done. You were not there, period.
My heart goes out to those kids, the cop or cops that believed they had to shoot him, and the family of that child. Until we have the whole story (if we ever do) we cannot attempt to put ourselves in the kid‘s shoes or the cop’s shoes.
All that said; if you shoot to wound you might just end up missing or getting killed yourself.
I wonder, what would we be posting if the cops failed to act and that gun carrying kid shot 10-20 of his classmates?
But let‘s not consider historical facts in our decision making right’?
Report Post »Jim in Houston
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 3:32pmLarry there is a turnip in my refrigerator that has more sense than you. A police office lays his/her life on the line every day he/she goes to work and they deserve our support, not inane second guessing. I sure hope you never need a policeman who would hesitate to take action against an armed man, woman or child to help you in a similar situation. Grow up!
Report Post »USNRET04
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 3:38pmIt sounds like a certain president, Obama – “I Don’t Know All The Facts But The Cops Acted Stupidly…”
Report Post »Polwatcher
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 3:38pmThe way things are reported are terrible. Certainly the mental state of this 8th grader was not a secret. Why wasn’t it reported. It would make all the difference in the world except that it may spoil a real interesting story and maybe that is why it was not reported. I find it hard to believe that police would intentionally kill a little kid that had a gun but didn’t really intend to hurt anyone. This kid may have been a psyco ready and willing to kill a bunch of kids or he could have been a stupid kid who took his dad’s gun to show his friends.
Report Post »ElDeVerde
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 3:53pmGuys like you are the ones who give someone a fair trial and then HANG THEM!
Report Post »hidden_lion
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 3:57pmAGGIE-
Report Post »I said “pretty sure” because there never is 100% certainty in these kinds of things. It is called murphy’s law. Murphy can be tamed and minimized with good training. You fight the way you train. The police train to kill, so they kill. Their weapons were drawn, I presume they have fired them before more than once, they should have been in a tactically superior position. The kid most likely had zero training, was not in a tactically advantageous position. One cop could have ended the situation with one shot.
TunaBlue
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 4:03pmAs usual, there are critical details missing in the story. Unless this is a bad shooting, the officer/s who fired on this kid had good cause to do so. Usually, and I stress the word “usually”, a command to drop a weapon is not sufficient cause to fire on a suspect, especially a minor. The kid did something to provoke the shooting. You notice the article reads that the kid “engaged” the police–engagement is necessarily provocation.
Report Post »landman1
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 4:04pmTough position for the cop to be in. Not that my opinion makes any differece but this is what results from a kid making bad choices. As far as the cops shooting in the first place, I’ll make a wager that if the 30 someting students killed at Virginia Tech had a say in what happened in Blacksburg, they would all vote for an armed cop to have shot that son of a bitch that had a gun that day. That’s just the way it is. You never know what was prevented in this instance.
Report Post »underdoga
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 4:04pmIsnt it great to be an armchair quarterback? You get to sit back and tell those who were in the thick of the action how you could have done it better than them.
This officer was faced not only with iminent harm to himself and other officers but a school full of students. When an officer of the law tells you to drop your weapon you do it! Immediately! Then there is all the time in the world for explanations.
If I had been in that officers shoes, thoughts of Columbine and other school shootings would have been exactly what was on my mind when I shot a armed person in a school who refused to comply with a legal order.
Report Post »Thors Hammer
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 4:13pmWe don‘t know the age of this ’8th grader’ and even if he was of a certain age, it was not so long ago that 13, 14 15 year old kids were fighting for their life. Oh, wait! It‘s still happening in other countries that we don’t want to know about.
Report Post »The officer made the right decision to protect the other students and teachers that were not packing. End of story.
ACLUHater
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 4:30pmJig or illegal. Redundancy.
Report Post »huckfinn28
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 5:04pmStupid is what stupid does. Active shooter has no age, loaded weapon is the same danger from 8 to 88.
Report Post »ICanComment
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 5:09pmMy condolences to the parents.
My condolences to the officer.
How can one type words to adequately express the grief… A horrid worst case situation.
May I humbly contribute:
1. Please try not to judge anyone involved. None of us were there.
2. Few of us know what it’s like to be in this situation.
3. Arguing about the number of shots fired is hardly substantial or even appropriate given the context.
I mean no disrespect to anyone here or there. It is what it is, and it’s pretty awful.
Report Post »dorightfearnothing
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 5:26pmYour an ass Lawrence, this will rattle these officers for the rest of there lives… You sit there from the absolute safety of a room where your computer sits and critique officers who found themselves looking down the wrong end of a firearm that happen to be held by a 14 or so year old. Were you there Lawrence? Then shut up you jack-wagon you don’t know what in the hell your talking about!!! What an idiot, hope you don’t vote so ignorantly, people like you are why people like obama wind up in government…..
Report Post »FreedomPurveyor
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 5:27pmI think it is safe to say that nobody posting in this thread was present for the incident. It is therefore also safe to conclude that any judgments made here, one way or the other, are made in ignorance.
Report Post »Rickfromillinois
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 5:28pm“Probably not”? How did you come to that conclusion? So in other words you are implying that the police officer shot the kid because he wanted to shoot a kid? Just maybe because of other kids in the area, and for that matter his own personal safety, he felt forced to do it. One thing you can be sure of, the incident will be scrutinized very closely. Maybe then you can make your snide and thoughtless comments. Any way you look at it this a tragedy, perhaps justified, but still a tragedy.
Report Post »Emrys
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 5:37pmThe only people I ever hear bad-mouthing cops all the time are people who like their little illegal things like smoking pot or stealing their neighbor’s cable or internet, etc. Seems to be a few of those types on here. Most of us greatly appreciate the police in our hometowns and rely on them. As a teacher, I know that an 8th grader (usually ages 12-14, depending on date of birth and when they started school and/or failure of previous grades) can easily kill others with a gun, and if a student brings a rifle or handgun to a school, what the hell do you expect but to be shot by the cops? Sounds like they didn’t just shoot first, ask questions later, as some idiots on here have Speculated. They gave him multiple chances to give it up, and he didn’t. Teenagers are emotional, highly emotional at times, and don’t think things through; but that’s no excuse for putting others in danger, and he did. Very sorry for his folks and friends, but I won’t second-guess these cops taking down an armed person in a school when he wouldn’t disarm himself, and was stupid enough to come to school packin’ to begin with. Criminals hate cops, the rest of us appreciate them.
Report Post »Wolf
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 5:39pmEveryone here keeps claiming it was a rifle, when the report says, “…Officers found the student with a handgun in a hallway and shot him after he “engaged” police…”
Report Post »So obviously, none of you has the facts right, so your argument is moot.
If the kid had a handgun, I’m sure the police were right to be a little concerned- but they were probably wearing body armor, and the kid wasn’t. And they were probably behind a bulletproof shield or barricade when they shot.
Were they right in firing three shots just because the kid didn’t lay his weapon down, but aimed at them? Possibly. But they could also possibly have dropped him with one shot to a leg or his hip area and he’d have surrendered. If he didn’t, then they could have continued the firing.
From where I sit, not at the scene, of course, so my judgment is what I‘d prefer to’ve had happen, that’s my perspective. We all have to admit there are a tremendous number of police killings the last few months, and not all of them justifiable.
Let’s just think Jose Guerna for a minute and add some perspective to this.
VRW Conspirator
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 5:51pm@Hidden…
Report Post »if you don’t know any…find a friend that is a cop…they are taught in the academy… three to the chest… if you discharge your weapon…you fire all three…NEVER one because that might not kill, which means you might get killed or someone else might… ALWAYS three to the chest..dead center of mass.. unless of course you are a SWAT sniper…then it is one shot, one kill…
Sorocialism
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 5:52pm@ every complaining that it took 3 shots…
The article says three shots were fired…it doesn’t say that the police fired all 3.
Also, I believe that many law enforcement agencies are teaching to shoot two or 3 round bursts to ensure that the threat is stopped. Unless u get a solid head shot people don’t immediately fall down with their eyes closed and tongues out like they do in the movies…
means, opportunity, intent…this 8th grader had all 3…
Report Post »mmabri
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 5:59pm@hidden lion – Alwayss remember rule #2 – Double tap
Report Post »ConstLaw
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 6:16pmEigth grade is the highest level in middle school, so the CHILD should be no older the 13 years old, not 15. Very, very sad day. There are a million reasons why the child could have had a gun and not all warranted him to be killed.
Report Post »4areason
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 6:16pmI want the police to be able to shoot to kill if someone is threatening others with a weapon. 15 or 45, they aim and pull the trigger with the same potential outcome. In all honesty, however, I also worry about the idea that tomorrow I might be considered a terror threat because I am pro life, conservative and anti-Obama. This was a very unfortunate situation. Peace and mercy to both the family of the boy and the officer.
Report Post »YellowFin
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 6:37pmChildren are capable of murder. Just look at the child warrior/solders in combat wars. To consider this fifteen year old to be a innocent child is probably not accurate. If a fifteen year old carries himself as a thug, or gangster with a gun IN A SCHOOL, the he should not be immune to police action. The old saying is true, “you will reap what you sow”. Even children receive justice.
Report Post »FstEti
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 6:43pmHey moron, the article states that the kid fired three rounds. What’s your tolerance level, four shots, five shots and a dead cop, six shots and a few dead kids and/or cops?
Report Post »Really?
mountainmover101
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 6:46pmEveryone here has the luxury to sit back, relax, ponder and subsequently pontificate on what action they would have taken if found in the same situation. Would I shoot an 8th grader with a gun? I don’t know. There was a news story, not too long ago, here locally where an 10 year old boy killed his brother. It was an accident, true, but the age of the child did not impede his ability in pulling the trigger and shooting another human being. An 8th grader is what, 13 or 14 years old. The boy was totally old enough to kill someone with a loaded weapon. Now to all those that will use this as an excuse to push gun control laws, it is already illegal for minors to purchase weapons. The boy, more than likely, obtained the weapon by some clandestine means. So making it more difficult for everyone else to purchase guns wouldn’t have had any effect on this particular case. The thing people need to understand is that when one wants to misuse a weapon, they are going to misuse a weapon.
Report Post »FstEti
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 6:50pmSorry, evidently I didn’t read the article correctly; he didn’t fire, only the police did. I guess it will come out as to WHY they did. Maybe he was about to enter an occupied classroom or something similar, but that does need clarification. I thought that the kid had fired three times and as we all know, there are those that would still question the police if that was the case.
Report Post »wes71
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 6:57pm@MIL-DOT Of course they report that ever time a cop shoots a suspect they say he was pointing a weapon at them. As a cop, I can‘t tell you the number of times I’ve order a suspect to show his hands at gun point and had the suspect comply and not be shot. That would make for some rather dull news wouldn’t it; “Cops Again Confront Armed Suspect and Suspect arrested Without Incident”. Now read the other way, every cop killed by a suspect (65 last year) had a weapon pointed at them and they were not able to report it.
Report Post »IslandMama
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 7:03pmOther news reports are saying it was a pellet gun that the student had.
Report Post »Al J Zira
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 7:07pm@ Lawrence7: The last time I heard a remark like that was when the presideent said: “the police acted stupidly”. And he turned out wrong too.
Report Post »Bluedog78
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 7:51pmToo bad mil dot and lion weren’t there, they could have diffused the situation with a wink and a smile. I wish I lived where they work as police officers, oh wait…..
Funny true story: a few months ago I was on a call with a tweaked out illegal who had been shooting his AK in the trailer park (yes I’m a child murdering cop.) So dude comes out of the trailer holding the AK after I’d been on the loud speaker talking to him in spanish and asking him pretty please to surrender peacefully. He starts raising the gun in our direction and the guys around me let him have it ( I was sitting in the car on the speaker so I didn’t have my gun out.) Well, there was alot of clutter in the carport and most of the shots ended up missing, but one AR round took dude’s left arm off below the elbow! He lived and was in the hospital for about three weeks healing on our dime.
A week or so after the shooting I was at the hospital taking my turn to guard him. His baby mamita came to visit him and what to you think she asked me? “Why did you have to shoot him in the arm??!!!”
Damned if we do, Damned if we don’t!!
Report Post »Jay Gatz
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 8:03pmSo Larry7 thinks the police should have used the magical karate chop first to disarm the gun wielding criminal.
Next time call Larry7 and have him do it.
Report Post »BuddyT
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 8:18pmYou should first put yourself in the shoes of a Police Officer before making any judgments. What exactly would you have done? I am glad I did not have to make that call, I am sure the Officers will be effected by their decision and it will haunt them for the rest of their lives. No one wants to be put in that position..
Report Post »adoerfler
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 8:23pmThe bullet fired from a gun held by a teen is no less lethal than one from a gun held by a man. The officer’s decision will be second-guessed by people who know nothing about law enforcement, the incident will be investigated, the DA will look at filing charges, and the officer will have to live with his decision for the rest of his life.
Report Post »DeGrasse1926
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 10:16pmAnd if your child was in that school with another student roaming the halls with a gun?
Report Post »lankness
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 10:25pmA bullet takes how many seconds to get to you? If you brandish a gun at officers you should be shot. there is no such thing as a child with a gun. Only a person with a gun, his/her finger 3 millimeters from killing someone. It is sad. But there is no reason to get stable hard working cops killed. Once that person has a gun, there age or ability does not matter. Anyone can kill with a gun.
Report Post »toto
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 10:29pmGuess the policeman/woman should have waited to get killed first.
Report Post »Wolf
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 11:19pm@ Lawrence7,,,”…Easy call to make is to shoot first and as questions later, I suppose..”
Report Post »Right- especially after the news comes out that the kid was carrying a BB pistol. I’m sure he was very INtent upon doing harm and taking on the po-po… kind of like a ‘suicide by cop’.
conbones
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 1:22amyep a fifteen year old brandishing a bb gun most certainly warrants lethal force against him.
Report Post »just to let you know i had my first bbgun when i was twelve fortunately when i took mine to school
they took it away from me and sent me home with it at the end of the year instead of killing me.
But then you were innocent until proven guilty. College students get tear gas and middle school students get bullets. Be careful people this is a tragedy and even children have second amendment rights.
loriann12
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 6:38amI hate to be the one to say it, but knowing Texas (and I live here, near Dallas) the kid probably didn’t speak English. I haven’t seen a name released, or a photo, maybe I missed it and he’s a white Christian. but I doubt it.
Report Post »FranciscoDAnconia
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 10:36amI hate to be critical of police but this is unacceptable. We can’t just start shooting people because they have a gun in their hand. An experience police officer could have disarmed this kids without having to kill him. The kid was probably what 13 years old? This kid wouldn’t have even shot the cop if he tried. The kid can’t aim for any thing. I understand its a tough situation but we have to expect more from are officers. Three shots? Again, this could have ended differently. Better training for police officers is needed for these situations. The kid was a child.
Report Post »jdavis32
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 9:46pmWhat are you 12? Are you kidding me with your ignorance? Just like all the other kids that have shot up the schools, are you saying that an officer should have called a “time out” and asked if it was real? Highly unlikely, I am pretty sure that officer wanted to go home to his family. Make sure if you ever have someone hold a gun to your head, or threaten a person you care about with a gun, you call a time out, maybe in that time frame you can figure out if the gun is real while you r getting your head blown off. I learn everyday how stupid people are in this world.
Report Post »Beltfeed
Posted on January 6, 2012 at 8:05amI think the kid wanted to be killed by the police. His parents should be asking themselves what they could have done to prevent this and stop trying to blame the police.
The child had problems. I am sorry for all involved.
Report Post »cemerius
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 1:15pmAnother Modern Warfare player gone wrong!!!
Report Post »ICanComment
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 5:14pmAre you joking, or are you blaming the video game industry? (Please don’t joke about this one.)
Report Post »Socialist Pride
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 1:15pmNow, our police shoot children? Evil, pure evil.
Report Post »BlackAce41
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 1:19pmI think their was a better way to handle this, then killing a child.
Report Post »rose-ellen
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 1:22pmUnbelievable but the fish stinks from the head-we glorify militarism and violence and wars so much that even children get subordinated by the empire that is americanism.
Report Post »HoggKilla
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 1:31pmChildren? 15 is not a child. He made a conscious decision to bring the gun, point it at the officers. Come on. I dont care if it was a toy gun. Walk a day in the life of a LEO. Then talk to me. Life isnt as simple in the Liberalville world your living in.
Report Post »PrfctlyFrank
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 1:31pmThat gun was no child, making the person wielding it as deadly as any “adult.” We have had Police Officers and Sheriff Deputies killed and maimed by, “children,” around here.. Know some facts.. Gangs recruit pre-teens and arm them.. Sad it had to come to this but it does on occasion.
Report Post »oldguy49
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 1:32pmdid they ask him to put down the gun in spanish………………just asking
Report Post »bigfatslob
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 1:32pmMaybe all you softies will be sent in unarmed to deal w/ any one under 18 w/ a gun. We’ll kill two birds w/ one stone then right ROSE-ELLEN.
Report Post »JLGunner
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 1:35pmThis “child” had a firearm. I would like to see the size of this“child” He was a teenager that knows right from wrong. Stop trying to coddle these disrespectful little bstrds and lets get on with what the parents responsibility is for their minor.
Report Post »ex82nddirtdart
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 1:36pmREAD THE ARTICLE and the news in detail. The officers told the kid to drop his weapon until the kid pulled it on them.
Report Post »twolamb
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 1:41pmWhat’s the officer to do? Just allow himself or someone else to be shot while a teenager is pointing a gun at him? That‘s not what’s evil. The officer has a right to protect him own life too, and go home to his wife and family. When you say the kid shouldn’t be shot do you consider ANYTHING other than his age? Was he armed, dangerous, refusing to obey an officer’s order to drop his weapon, threatening, etc., etc. I’m sick of people using children as excuses for every kind of social engineering.
Report Post »nelbert
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 1:53pmWhy evil?
Report Post »Why the automatic presumption of poor judgement by the police?
An 8th grader with a gun is just as lethal as a 35 year old with a gun.
It’s tragic, but I’ll give a trained officer the benefit of doubt unless some overwhelming evidence is found to the contrary.
Mil-Dot
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 1:53pmAnd don’t forget for one second that if the orders were given they would shoot you and your kids too. They would not even hesitate for one second. Why, their pensions are on the line if they don‘t obey the criminal politician’s orders. Instead of arresting the criminal politicians, the cops are in bed with them. They are what allow the politicians to ruin our country and get away with it.
Report Post »momsense
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 2:29pmSocialists kill people too, only they’re a little more subtle about it. It’s called medicare cuts, reditribution of wealth and illegal aliens—especially those who have been deported and return time after time. to commit more crime ad get a slap on the wrist.
Report Post »Spyderco
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 2:44pmThat child was breaking the law and putting people in danger. The police did a good job.
Report Post »Dismayed Veteran
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 2:46pmDoes anyone remember the 1999 shooting at Columbine High School? Two students, ages 17 and 18, killed 12 other students and one teacher and wounded 21 others. They eventually committed suicide. Does anyone remember the 2007 shooting at Virginia Tech? A single shooter killed 32 people and wounded 25 more.
This “child” may have done nothing or may have killed or wounded students and faculty. What is obvious is bring a gun to school is a direct threat to life.
If one of my children had been a student at this school, I would be thanking LEO for saving my child’s life by preventing him from becoming a victim.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 2:55pmrose-ellen
Hey piece of work, after the so called dictators are out of power in the Middle East, there still will be no peace. 5 years from now there will still be massive violence in the Middle East whether or not Israel exist or the U.. is anywhere near the Middle East.
Maybe it is the religion stu pid. Take a good look in the mirror at yourself.
Report Post »KAdams
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 3:23pmShut up Rose. Now the police should go shoot the parents, since the parents very obviously can‘t be called ’parents’… not when they don’t raise their children properly. Bringing a firearm to school isn’t raising your kids properly. The kid’s better off now, the world’s going to hell in a hand basket anyhow.
Report Post »ohiochili
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 4:03pmYeah really evil. The cop should have let him shoot a few teachers and students before plugging him, Then it would have been justified, right?
Report Post »What a stupid troll.
turkey13
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 5:08pmThe ACLU is heading down there right now. Anyone with any sense knows that the cops are supposed to let them kill one policeman before they shoot. That way the policeman’s wife can get the life insurence and his kids can get a new dad. I don’t know about Texas but thats the law in California and many states up north.
Report Post »huckfinn28
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 5:13pmWhat would you have done? The article stated that the child engaged police with the weapon. I like the Anne Oakley response from someone else. But it would enlighten my day, as everyone else, to read your response if “Socialist Pride” showed up at the school with an active shooter.
Report Post »ICanComment
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 5:15pmNone of us were there.
Report Post »Al J Zira
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 7:05pm@Socialist Pride: You can call it pure evil for a police officer to react in a split second and do wha the thinks is right. We should probably wait for the investigation to finish before you call it evil. But I do know that there are many forms of socialistic governments that justify shooting people who don’t live up to what they consider the standars of society. i.e. Che Guevara for one. But I guess when it‘s done in the context of socialism it’s not evil anymore.
And before you tell me that Che was a communist, not a socialist, I’ll tell you that socialism is the gateway to communism/marxism.
Report Post »Bonnieblue2A
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 1:08pmVery sad. I’m a strong propenent of RKBA but the parents should be held legally responsible for his ability to get his hands on a weapon if it is proven it came from the home.
Report Post »Regdunlop
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 1:12pmI agree. My kids are all familiar with firearms and we shoot regularly. The parents should also be accountable if the neglected or ignored this kids problems if that is the case, which I bet it is.
Report Post »TexasHunter
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 1:16pmNot to jump the gun, but the parents have to be legal to be prosecuted. Otherwise they will just get a slap on the wrist if they aren’t. That child mild a horrible mistake no matter legal or not. I prey all the other students take note so this never happens again.
Report Post »SgtB
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 1:25pmGreat, criminalize non-criminal acts. How about this? Label this as the tragedy that it is and leave it at that. What do you want parents to do? Do you want them to leave their teenage children at home without any means of self-defense available to them? My parents did and I was lucky that no one came up our drive to our acreage and robbed the place and murdered me. Short of making it illegal for a parent to let their child go to school in the morning without personally driving them their and performing a cavity search, we will be unable to keep any weapon out of our schools.
And for anyone familiar with self-defense training, most of the objects in your child’s backpack can effectively be used as blunt force trauma and puncture type weapons. They even make aluminum sharpie type markers with a good grip designed for this purpose. And I‘m sure we’ve all seen Batman: The Dark Knight, you know, the one where the Joker performs a magic trick and makes a pencil disappear into a mobster’s head.
So stop vilifying parents, guns, and anyone else except for the individual who was intent on stealing someone else’s right to life. Remember, an event in Colorado similar to Columbine was ended when a student ran to his truck and got his .22 rifle and was able to shoot one of the assailants and scared the other one away. Of course, that story didn’t get national coverage and to find it now requires a degree in investigative googlology ( the study of finding things on search en
Report Post »rose-ellen
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 2:29pmWe talk to hostage takers all the time. Unless he was pointing his weapon at someone there was no need to shoot. Where are all these experts in psycology who get paid tons of taxpayers money to indoctinate us about social policies? Why couldn’t these “experts” try talking to him in a non threatening way? And what about tranquilizers-we use them on animals.I’m no softie about violent crime but a young boy with a gun is still a young boy. The last thing a terrified [boy am i in hot water now] young person needs is threatening hostility coming from law enforement.My heart goes out to him.
Report Post »George Patton
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 3:01pmHave you ever told someone how much you like the blue color of the sky, and then they start screaming at you about how the sky is not blue…that it is actually green, and it’s made out of pudding and insect urine.
Where do you start when talking with a person who is so out of touch with reality.
This is how I feel about engaging rose-ellen. I don’t know where to start. You can’t have a conversation with someone until they have at least a somewhat accurate view of reality. It is astounding that someone with 5 senses cannot perceive at least in a mildly coherent way the world in which they live. Wow. That’s all we can really say…wow.
Report Post »Elena2010
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 1:04pmLocal newspaper
http://www.brownsvilleherald.com/articles/shot-135437-police-shooting.html
Report Post »Tri-ox
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 1:02pmThank God the police got him before he killed anyone.
Report Post »BIGJAYINPA
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 1:15pmNot enough facts to render a judgement. Sad that the 15 year old died, condolances to the family. Sad that a Brownsville Police Officer will now have to live with the fact he took a 15 year old’s life. Considering the location (school) fortunate that no one else was injured. Awaiting “The rest of the Story”…………..Just sayin’
Report Post »BlackAce41
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 1:17pmYou thank god they killed him right? I think their was a better way to handle this..
Report Post »BIGJAYINPA
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 1:22pm@Blackace….I belive the thank God was for the fact that no one else was injured. As far as needing to kill as I said we don’t have enought information to render an informed opinion. If you just want to trash the cop or make some specious argument about gun control than be honest about your intent….Just sayin’
Report Post »neverending
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 1:23pmAmen to Tri-ox!
Report Post »neverending
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 1:23pmAmen to Tri-ox!
Report Post »Bluefish49
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 1:24pm@Blackface….I totally agree with you…the kid could have been high, off his med’s or who knows. This was literally….overkill and I hope the officer that shot him never has a minutes piece with himself.
Report Post »Regdunlop
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 1:24pmAnd how could they handled it better? Please tell us, since you seem to know it all.
Report Post »Mil-Dot
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 2:00pmHey Big Jay, do you really think that the cop will lose any sleep over dusting the kid off? He will sleep like a baby. It is every cops dream to gun down somebody. It is what they live for. Whomever they meet on the street they always look at them like they are going to kill them. Cops think that everybody is their enemy except other cops and their families. It is a fact. So, gunning down the enemy is the heroic thing to do. He is probably getting back-slapped by his pals as we speak.
Report Post »JLGunner
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 2:13pmBlackace What is that other way to handle this? You take the high road but offer no alternative way to deal with a teenager pointing a firearm at you.
Report Post »Benh911
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 2:32pm@ Mil-Dot,
Report Post »Yeah, it’s every cops dream. A “fact.”
The fact is if you‘re in a Law Enforcement position and you’re not vigilant, THAT’S what gets you killed. My only dream at work is to only have to put my hand on my gun to holster it at the beginning of my shift, and secure it at the end of it.
KAdams
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 3:30pmOr he could have been a little drug-runner like that 16-yr old cartel member that was shot and killed in some shoot out a couple years ago. Little 16-yr old had more kills under his belt than any of your police chiefs, I bet.
Report Post »On The Bayou
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 1:00pmWe had a hometown eigth grader shot in the head Monday night at about 11:30 pm. He belonged to a local gang here call “Young Niggas In Charge” A Facebook fued between two small town gangs. Young Niggas In Charge drove over to the next town from here could not find who they were looking for. Instead started attacking anyone they saw on the street. The first two victims of the gang ran. The third pulled a gun and killed one of the attackers. An 8th grade gang member gone.
Report Post »tbacct
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 12:59pmI recently read about this incident. Call me naive, but I never realized the extent to which gangs have proliferated our local schools.
Report Post »mtnclimberjim
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 12:59pmAnother one that got all twisted because of the dream act. Sad.
Report Post »olddog
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 12:59pmWhy ???
Report Post »Lord_Frostwind
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 4:25pmBecause there are some situations that will not end well no matter what you do. When you end up in one of those, you make the best decision you can with what you know. Best case scenario, you make it out in one piece and then can spend the rest of your life regretting it.
Report Post »Harry Assenback
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 12:57pmMy heart goes out to those he was going to harm with the weapon.
Report Post »seeker75
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 12:51pmSad. Prayers for the family and officers involved.
Report Post »Detroit paperboy
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 12:46pmWell its very sad, but at least he didnt take out twenty other kids before they shot him….
Report Post »drago
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 12:45pmI’ll play a hunch, and say facts on this will be slow in coming, due to the race of the kid, maybe?
Report Post »Elena2010
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 12:50pmNope — all the kids down here are Hispanic (96% or so). I’m the minority.
Probably suicide by cop of some depressed kid. How sad!
Report Post »tmplarnite
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 12:58pmHmmmmmmmmmm…Detroit….15 year old “8th Grader” with a gun…will not listen/comply with an order from police…I’m inclined of believe this is not a white person!
Report Post »tmplarnite
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 1:00pmOops…I ment Texas not Detroit….had a brain miss……
Report Post »jharper
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 12:44pmHe was 15 and in 8th grade? Sounds like this kid gave up a looooong time ago. Very sad.
Report Post »jiggasparks
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 1:04pmReally with no real facts you say the kid lost it, it could have been kids showing off dads toy and the police shot to kill, like they always do regardless of who or what the person is doing, if you dont sit or lay down like a dog you get shot. We need to break free of the police state.
Report Post »Regdunlop
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 1:10pmI was wondering the “police state” comment would come up. Stupid.
Report Post »KAdams
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 3:33pm@Harper
I know what you mean… I started 9th grade as a 13yr old, and graduated at 17… so he was probably ‘held back’ a year or 2.
Report Post »red_white_blue2
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 12:41pmEven with facts..I pray for his soul, and his parents.
Report Post »ICanComment
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 5:18pmI second that, red_white_blue2
But for the grace of God, there go I. Blessed are those who mourn.
Report Post »G.E.R
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 12:39pmI guess the thought of wounding the 15 year old never crossed their minds
Report Post »javasport
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 12:46pmSorry, you don’t shoot a gun at someone to maim them. That only comes from Hollywood. A gun should only be used as a deterent or lethal force.
Report Post »Elena2010
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 12:48pmNot that simple.
Report Post »American Soldier (Separated)
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 12:50pmThis isn’t a movie where you can aim for the shoulders to wound someone. If you are going to pull out your fire arm in defense with intent to use it, you shoot to completely neutralize the threat. If it were me, would I want to risk missing a “wound” shot just for the perp to fire back and kill me? No, if I pull out my fire arm, it will be to kill. In that scenario, it’s kill or be killed.
Report Post »Regdunlop
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 12:51pmGood idea GER! Wait, that only works in the movies.
Report Post »Clownshoes
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 12:51pmOnly someone who has no clue would make a comment like that… shoot wound. Only an officer who wants to endanger others lives would try a trick-shot. They do not train to shoot to wound. Why? Because when the adrenaline is pumping, the stress is like an earthquake, and lives are on the line – you do not shoot to wound. Do some research about how tough it is to fire a wounding shot. Talk to the men and women who are in the field. And if you are not willing to do that, then STFU.
Report Post »Regdunlop
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 1:00pmSo what exactly is “going on” in Texas GER? Share your wisdom and your opinion with us, please?
Report Post »COFemale
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 1:03pmSorry, when your life is on the line, you shoot to kill not to maim. This is why Liberals would never make good soldiers or cops.
It is a shame it came to this, but apparently this kid wanted to die and he certainly got his wish. May he rest in peace and my heart goes out to his family, who is probably wondering what happened. It does sound like it could be “suicide by cop”. If his parents were religious, he knows suicide by his hand will not get him into heaven, so it is possible he chose to have someone else do it for him.
Report Post »G.E.R
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 1:07pmSo the bean bag rounds they use in shotguns and tasers are for what…show. All police do is brag about all the new non-lethal technology they have to bring bad guys down without harm. Did they forgot to put stuff in the squad car this morning before they went donuts.
Report Post »Regdunlop
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 1:09pmCofemale; I think there are liberal cops and soldiers but the reality if life/death descision making outweighs politics. Comments about “shoot to wound” show total ignorance of the reality of facing someone who is armed and intentions are unknown. A bullet from a gun held by a 15 year old will kill you just as dead as any other gun. There isnt a reset button in real life, like the games a lot of people seem to base their opinions on.
Report Post »G.E.R
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 1:10pmRegdunlop
There’s no lower form of human being than a Texan
Report Post »ozchambers
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 1:10pmIt just don’t work that way. It‘s hard enough to hit your target when you’re in a tense situation facing an armed person without worrying about trying to pull off a leg or shoulder shot.
Report Post »jcannon98188
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 1:20pm@GER
Those beanbag rounds and whatnot are only used when the suspect is not armed with a gun. A beanbag round will not disable someone, only hurt them. You don’t try and hurt someone who is waving a gun around. You shoot them.
Oh and, there are no lower forms of human beings than you my friend,.
Report Post »JLGunner
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 1:21pmGER you never shoot to wound, you shoot to stop a threat. This punk got what he deserved and yes, I don’t care. Now lets see if anyone tracks the firearm and holds anyone accountable. I say probably not. We will just have a bunch of left wing gun grabbers calling for more firearm restrictions. Like the 2000 gun laws on the book aren’t enough. Start enforcing them.
Report Post »G.E.R
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 1:25pmYou mouth breathers have watched Dirty Harry one too many times.
Report Post »Regdunlop
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 1:27pmGER, and where are you, that you say that about Texas?
Report Post »G.E.R
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 1:29pmI’ve been in Dallas the past 2 years
Report Post »texasfireguy
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 1:36pmIf you don’t like here GER, then leave, please! We will get along just fine without you.
Report Post »WJS
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 1:38pmYou really are ignorant. You do not bring a taser or a beanbag shotgun to a gunfight. I’ve shot a person with a bean bag 5 times and it did almost nothing. I would have been better off just slugging him with the shotgun itself. A taser is only good for 21 feet. You try to taser someone with a gun and see if you live through it. And by the way, Texans have helped save this country more than once. You might be a little less quick with your verbal sewage before you actually read a book and learn something. A kid can pull a trigger just as easily as your womanly hands could. FYI.
Report Post »hidden_lion
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 1:39pmUsed to be that way. Cops used to have marksmanship skills, until they went to training center of mass. Center of mass is easier to teach and requires less thought and reaction time. It is a lethal only approach. It is easy to just wound somebody, all you have to do is actually aim. Doesn’t sound like the kid actually fired any rounds so the policeman had plenty of time to aim.
Report Post »texasfireguy
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 1:48pmI think you have been watching to much TV if you believe that training alone negates the reality of confronting an armed individual in a school of all places. If the cop would have hesitated, and the kid would have fired a round that struck a bystander or one of the cops, I bet you would be screaming about incompetent the cops were. Dammed if they do, dammed if they don’t
Report Post »djs45
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 2:09pmbeanbag rounds are a great, less than lethal tool for crowd control, but not against an armed criminal. hate that any kid is dead, but maybe some of these would be thugs will think twice now before taking a gun to school. maybe, just maybe, they will think, “i could get killed doing this”.
Report Post »JLGunner
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 2:27pmHidden You need to get your head out of hollywood. You think this teenager brought this gun to school for show and tell?
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 3:01pmG.E.R.
G.E.R. is a little known descendant of Annie Oakley twice removed. He would have shot the pistol out of the kid’s hand with no problem. He is the sh_t!
Report Post »KAdams
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 3:38pm@WJS
Report Post »Agreed. If they were tazed, who knows what involuntary reaction (squeezing that trigger, maybe?) would have evolved. It’s not guaranteed that they will drop the gun… Same with beanbag rounds.
Tomr
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 6:19pmThe officer did try to wound him, but missed.
Report Post »FranciscoDAnconia
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 10:44amActually it does happen. People trained with a firearm can aim the gun. People always say that only happens in 24. I say BS. I happen to be a very great aim with a hand gun because of extensive training. I would like to know if there were students around. If there were students around than he did the right thing. If they evacuated the halls and its only the cop and the kid than I think the cop did the wrong thing. If it was just the shooter and the cop he could have shot once (aimed at stomach) and disarmed the perpetrator. This kids can’t aim the gun I guarantee it. He could not have shot the cop if he tried.
Report Post »gmoneytx
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 12:39pmI can’t wait to see how this unfolds>!?>!
Report Post »smackdown33
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 12:38pmA 15 year old 8th grader?
Report Post »LLATPOH
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 12:50pmYeah, I was thinking the same thing…
Report Post »briankraner
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 12:37pmDon’t bring a gun to school in Texas…..
Report Post »Hugh Williams
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 1:03pmDon’t bring a gun to school period.
Report Post »Arbroath7
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 12:37pmUh, what’s wrong with this picture? He’s 15 and in the EIGHTH GRADE???? I think some thing is missing from this story. I was 17 when I GRADUATED from High School!!
Report Post »gmoneytx
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 12:38pmThat was my first thought!
Report Post »GodHatesFigs
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 12:45pmIn many school districts, students start kindergarten at age 5. That puts you at 13/14 for the school year. It’s possible that the individual was held back a year or just started a year late.
Report Post »FEMALL
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 12:36pmI weep.
Report Post »Hugh Williams
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 12:36pmThis is tragic. It is sad to see a life end before it really began. My heart goes out to the boy’s family. I hope everyone lets the investigation determine the details about what happened before jumping to conclusions. Sadly I am sure the anti 2nd Amendment people will try to use this for political gain.
Report Post »AmericanStrega
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 12:46pmWho are the “2nd Amendment People”? Are you talking about the American people who have a right to keep and bear arms? This has NOTHING to do with the 2nd Amendment and everything to do with a child who, more than likely, had issues that his parents could not or refused to, deal with. The 2nd Amendment is here for the American people’s protection from an over-reaching government and for freedom to defend ones self. This 15 year old obviously had some issues that caused him/her to bring a firearm into his/her school. This has nothing to do with the 2nd Amendment. It has everything to do with people like you who are trying to repress it.
Report Post »Clownshoes
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 12:53pmhe said “anti-2nd Amendment people”…. not “2nd Amendment people”… calm down
Report Post »marvel
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 12:56pmHe’s talking about the “anti-2nd Amendment People”. There are plenty of them in this country. You should read his post again.
Report Post »LegionOfOne
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 1:06pm…um, strega, I don’t think you read his post quite like he wrote it. Go back and try again, you‘ll see he’s on your side.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 1:11pmWow Strega… *slow clap*… looks like you jumped the gun on that one.
Report Post »Hugh Williams
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 1:11pmAmericanstrega
Report Post »I am talking about all the leftist out there that want to make sure the only people in the US with a gun are members of the Marxist government they crave. Every time there is a tragedy that involves a gun especially if a kid is involved they use it to restrict law abiding citizen’s ability to keep and bare arms.
Don’t let the tye dye fool you I always carry.
Missouri Mule
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 1:52pmAs a matter of fact this does have everything to do with the 2nd Amendment. This young man sought an area of defenseless victims, a “gun free zone”. As a teacher I am denied my 2nd Amendment right while at work. I can neither exercise my GOD given right to defend my self or other innocent children. The Federal Safe Schools law protected no one. No Gun signs on the doors stopped no one. When seconds counted the Police were minutes away. Thank GOD this time minutes were enough.
Report Post »P.S. Armed defenders do not shoot to kill or wound; they shoot to stop the threat, no more, no less.
pamela kay
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 4:20pmHUGH WILLIAMS, I agree with your comments. This is very sad. I will need to hear more details. As far as his parents being held accountable for the actions of a 15yr old, I don’t agree. We are assuming allot without all of the facts. I hope the Blaze does a follow up with more info. Regardless these stories are hard to understand and make me concerned for the society of my country. It will be used to the benefit of those in favor of gun control. God help us for I fear the worse is yet to come.
Report Post »mom4times
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 12:33pmMy guess is that this child had issues……my child is a 9th grader who will be 15 this year……May God be with his family…..He is now the only judge in this
Report Post »SamIamTwo
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 12:31pmThe story is still unraveling…I don’t think they just shot him without saying something…do you?
Report Post »GOOOJOOO
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 12:36pmLocal ABC affiliate KXXV-TV reported that police told the student to put the weapon down three times before firing. Does this answer your question. READ
Report Post »jharper
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 12:41pmthe story reads that they told him to put down the gun 3 times.
Report Post »jcannon98188
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 12:42pmThe story may have been updated since you posted, but if not:
Report Post »“police told the student to put his weapon down and fired three times after he refused to comply.” They told him to lower his weapon, he didn’t and was shot. Standard procedure for dealing with someone who is armed but not posing any immediate danger (No hostages)
expatinontariocanada
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 12:27pmAbsent more facts I’ll just ask God to please have mercy on his soul.
Report Post »vennoye
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 2:09pmSo true!!
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