Pope Says Catholics Cannot Accept Gay Marriage and Religion Must Not Be Banished From Public Life
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Pope Benedict XVI called for a common front with Christians to defend traditional church values and shun“lukewarm” faith during a speech to 30,000 young people in his homeland of Germany Saturday. AP reports that the 84-year-old pope warned of threats posed by abortion and gay marriage, and declared in a separate meeting with Orthodox Christians that religion must not be banished from public life. The Pope said that christian churches “are walking side by side” in the battle.
“They speak up jointly for the protection of human life from conception to natural death,” he told the meeting of Orthodox Christians on the third day of his visit.
“Knowing, too, the value of family and marriage, we as Christians attach great importance to defending the integrity and the uniqueness of marriage between one man and one woman from any kind of misinterpretation,” he said. “Here the common engagement of Christians, including many Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox Christians, makes a valuable contribution to building up a society equipped for the future.”
The Vatican was undeterred by an incident earlier in the day in the eastern city of Erfurt on the edge of the security zone in which a man fired an air gun at a security guard about an hour before a papal Mass.
Benedict’s spokesman, the Rev. Federico Lombardi, told AP that there was “no worry” in the papal entourage over the incident, and the pontiff was not informed about it before the Mass. Police said the alleged shooter had been arrested and that there were no injuries.
Police later identified the suspect as a 30-year-old Erfurt man who lived in Berlin. They said an air rifle and air pistol were found in his top-floor apartment, and that he was being held on suspicion of attempting to cause serious bodily harm.
In his homily in Erfurt, before a crowd of 30,000 people, the pope acknowledged that the collapse of communism in the former East Germany more than 20 years ago has allowed the church to function freely, but he questioned whether that change has brought any increase in faith.
“Are not the deep roots of faith and Christian life to be sought in something very different from social freedom?” the pope said. “It was actually amid the hardships of pressure from without that many committed Catholics remained faithful to Christ and to the church.”
After the Mass, the pope flew to Freiburg, a city with a large Catholic population in southern Germany, the final stop of his visit, where about 25,000 people lined the streets, cheering and waving as he drove from the airport to visit the downtown cathedral.
At an evening prayer vigil on the city’s outskirts, he urged more than 20,000 youth to overcome “a tendency toward evil,“ encompassing ”selfishness, envy, aggression.”
“Again and again in history, keen observers have pointed out that damage to the church comes not from opponents, but from uncommitted Christians,” he said.
But the pope also encouraged the youth not to be frightened by the perpetual quest of being a good Christian.
“Dear friends, Christ is not so much interested in how often we stumble and fall in our life, as in how often we pick ourselves up again,” Benedict said.
The pope’s four-day state visit comes as Germany’s church has been losing tens of thousands of followers amid revelations that hundreds of children and young people were abused by clergy and church employees.
On Friday night, he took a step to placate some of the anger by meeting for half an hour with two women and three men from parishes across Germany who were among the abused. The Vatican said the pope expressed “deep compassion and regret” at the suffering of those who were abused and assured them the church is seeking “effective measures to protect children.”
German church leaders acknowledge the scandal has cost them badly needed trust among the roughly 24 million German Catholics.
“I appreciate that he (the pope) is facing the problem, and that he is meeting these people,” Klaus Militzer, 68, from Erfurt told AP. ”He can’t undo it, that’s not possible, but I think it is good that he is asking for forgiveness and sending a signal.”
Benedict has been accused by victims groups and their lawyers of being part of a systematic cover-up by the church hierarchy for pedophile priests in his earlier roles as an archbishop in Germany and later at the helm of the Vatican morals office.
Victims groups were quick to denounce the pope’s meeting with German victims as an empty gesture. They maintain the church has not done enough to prosecute offending priests and prevent future cases of abuse.
Germany’s Bishops Conference has set up a telephone hotline to counsel victims and help them to take legal steps against offending priests when possible.
Catholic leaders had warned ahead of Benedict’s visit that there was no quick solution, but they hoped the pontiff could help heal wounds left by the scandal.
“I think it’s certainly an important issue, but it‘s not the most important thing about a pope’s visit,” Monika Graner, a pilgrim from Wuerzburg, said of the sex abuse scandal.
But protests have also accompanied Benedict’s German tour, although numbers have been smaller than expected. Some 9,000 people turned out in Berlin to denounce the Vatican views on homosexuality, contraception and other issues.
The 84-year-old pope has seemed tired at times, but his spokesman Lombardi said “he’s very well,” despite the heavy schedule.
“It is wonderful how he experiences all moments of this trip really intensively,” Lombardi said.
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woemcat
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 8:55pmyawn.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 9:18pmI do not need the pope to tell me the obvious. Just read the Bible, Marriage is between a man and a woman. Homosexuality is not natural, it is an abomination, it is an act against nature, against the family, and against the civilization in which they live.
I do not need a person who gets called “father”, but dresses more like mother, and has no youngins for such topics as this.
Read the Bible, and look at world history. It is an easy topic.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 9:20pm@woemcat
If the topic was not important to you, you would skip and go to one that is. The “yawn” gives you away.
Report Post »Darren
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 9:27pm“I do not need a person who gets called “father”, but dresses more like mother, and has no youngins for such topics as this.”
Perhaps someday the Catholic Church will actively promote marriage for all. (Adults that is – not to be taken literally).
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 9:37pm@Darren
I will try to hold my peace on the Catholic Church, but they set themselves up for failure on this topic. Yes, Biblically marriage is between a man and woman (the are right on that one). Homosexuality is anti Bible and against nature (right on this one). The priest not getting married is not Biblical.
Catholics falsely claim Peter was the first Pope. There is not pope in the Bible, and it was James that was top preacher in Jerusalem, no Peter. While they claim Peter to be the first Pope, Peter was married.
The catholic church (or should I say government) enabled men who are not married to have access to young boys, and people the world over know of the magnitude of priests that molest young boys.
Report Post »mr.goodvibe
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 10:11pm@Darren
I asked our preist when I was growing up why they could not get married. He told me that they are married to the holy spirit and are devoted to the parishoners and that it did not leave time or attention for marriage and a family and that it was the life they chose.
Report Post »freedentstheone
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 10:27pm@RangerP Peter is “The Rock” on which the church is built. If you’d like to rewrite biblical canon to suit your own ego, go right ahead and name yourself as the end all be all of what is or is not “correct” just like the people you claim to despise. Whatever your basis of dissension is with the Roman Catholic church understand that there are better “targets of opportunity” to focus your self-worshiping bigotry on. If not, you might as well grab a towel and face Mecca five times a day until you realize you are what you hate.
Please, elucidate on the world-wide magnitude of Priests that molest young boys. Better yet, try to enumerate the number of non-priests and/or public school teachers that do the same. As a Protestant, your hypocrisy knows only the bounds of your own prejudice towards the very branch of Christianity that your faith stems from. No biggie, right?
According to your demeanor, you’d be the first person driving my nails, “brother”… and your attempt to “hold your peace” has failed, miserably.
Alleluia, may peace be with you.
Damn me at your convenience, you are, after all, the most “correct” voice on this subject by your own admission.
Report Post »Darren
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 10:47pmMr. Goodvibe;
The catholic Church also points to Paul whom they say never married. I know many Protestants believe this as well. I do not. I believe Paul was not pronouncing his celebacy when he encouraged widows to be as him but rather his devotion to Christ. The former is not conclusive or provable since details of Paul’s marital status does not exist. The latter is applicable to all.
The best way n my mind to serve God is to marry and start a family. To guide and encourage your household thorugh word and example good moral living. Morals based upon the Judeo-Christain teachings which have existed throughout the ages. and when God told Adam and Eve to “muiltiply and replenish the Earth”, that this was not to mean for people to find reasons not to marry and “multiply and replenish the Earth.” External reasons not to marry are understandable and I do not think god will hold such accountable for having done anything wrong. But to choose not to marry 9and have a family) for whatever reason I think goes contrary to the nature of our divine existence.
Report Post »Darren
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 10:52pmRanger;
I think you are a good man. My understanding is that celebacy is a tradition and is not to be considered doctrine in the Catholic Church. However, I told Goodvibe, my view is that God created us to “multiply and replenish”. Celebacy runs contrary to that commandment. I phrased my reply to you that perhaps the Catholic church would “actively promote” marriage for all adults. I think that would comply with the very first commandment God gave to mankind after Adam and Eve partook of the fruit.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 10:55pm# Darren
Like I trust progressives or LGBT. With groups like that it doesn’t take nuclear Winter to destroy the world.
http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/main/ArticlesMain/tabid/56/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/2398/Beyond-Marriage-The-Confession-Hawaii-Gay-marriage-advocates-let-the-polyamorous-cat-out-of-the-bag.aspx
I have also seen numerous blog discussion where gays wanted to lower the age of consent.
Report Post »piper60
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 10:56pmmine fuhrer lies over the ocean
Mine Fuhrer lies under the sea
he’s nothing but food for the fishes,
The Pope used to be in the HJ.
he US Army shattered the panzers
in battles around Normandy
The 12th SSs Panzer is rubbish
The French sold scrap to the Japerpanese
So who needs a DeutschGrand inquisitor?
Who used to Sieg Heilfor the Fuhrer
Please send us back John 23!
Report Post »Darren
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 11:01pmRanger (con’t);
“Catholics falsely claim Peter was the first Pope. There is not pope in the Bible, and it was James that was top preacher in Jerusalem, no Peter. While they claim Peter to be the first Pope, Peter was married.
The catholic church (or should I say government) enabled men who are not married to have access to young boys, and people the world over know of the magnitude of priests that molest young boys.”
First, Peter indeed held a special position with Christ. As freedent just pointed out, Peter was chosen by Christ as the head of Chirst’s church. The Catholic Church believes that Peter held authority from Christ to head the Christian church on earth and that authroity passed down throughthe generatons through the Popes. As you well know, I am of The church of Jesus Christ of Lstter-Day saints and we too believe in a straight line of authority linking back directly to Christ. the difference is that we believe that Christ’s said authority to govern His church was lost after the death of the original 12 Apostles (one replacement) but that authority was restored to a modern-day prophet named Joseph Smith. And what I believe is key to that resoration of authority was the angelic visitation of Peter, James, and John, of the original 12 Apostles.
(con’t)
Report Post »Darren
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 11:02pmRanger (con’t);
Now, your accusation of the Catholic Church providing access to boys to molest is completely unfounded. Such abominable acts are completely against Catholic standards and teachings.
Report Post »Chuck Stein
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 11:06pm@ Mr. Goodvibe That is a nice way to look at it. History books look at it differently (bishoprics in the Middle Ages were getting to be passed down as hereditary possessions, so the Catholic Church instituted celibacy for priests). Still, I hope that Catholic priests are motivated as related by your priest. I’m not Catholic, but I respect the commitment made by Catholic priests. I remember seeing on the news (around 1985) when some priests at a seminary in or near Boston were graduating. A hugely important day for them and their families. And who else was there? The homosexual group “Act Up” — throwing condoms at the priests and shouting “Shame! Shame!” Classy folk, Huh?
@ Freedentstheone
Report Post »Was the Savior saying that Peter is “The Rock”? Or was He saying that revelation is “The Rock.”? Tempting to say that it is Peter because “Peter” means “Rock,” but I think the Lord was referring to revelation.
Walkabout
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 11:17pmDarren
“I do not need a person who gets called “father”, but dresses more like mother,”
Those clothes are from the last 2,000 years. So the clothes of the clergy have to be the latest fashion for them to be relevant.
You don’t call the clothes the Arabs wear man-dresses do you?
I kind of recall the patriarchs wore clothes remarkable similar to those of modern day Arabs.
I guess Buddhist monks look silly too.
Report Post »Darren
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 11:26pmWalkabout;
i was quoting RangerP. Those were his words, not mine.
Report Post »freedentstheone
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 11:27pm@ Chuck Stein in Aramaic “Kepha” is the exact same meaning as “Petra”; i.e. “The Rock”. We can always agree to disagree without resorting to a who’s who of religious correctness but the actual language that He spoke leaves little room for disagreement. I’m not one to split hairs on inferences, my birth name is translated in Hebrew as “Who is like God?” with the implication that, of course, no one is.
Therein lies our equality, we are all equally “crappy” with respect to exert our spiritual dominion over others but we have the means to overcome those foibles and accept each other as He was the living exemplification of our capability to do so.
Report Post »Darren
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 11:36pmFreedent;
“my birth name is translated in Hebrew as “Who is like God?””
Michael? :>)
Report Post »jzs
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 11:41pmSorry, but the Pope and the religious right are trying to swim upstream against the flow of history. It used to be that royalty, or anyone in the defined classes of privilege or wealth couldn’t marry beneath their class. Those distinctions haven’t disappeared, but they have weakened dramatically. It used to be abhorrent, even illegal, for members of different races to join in marriage. Most accept that now althought the term “half breed” is still an powerful epithet.
But the world is changing. Cultures are mixing, ethnic groups are mixing, beliefs are mixing. Hitler’s idea of racial purity is losing strength everyday in cities across the US, and is being replaced by acceptance, mostly because old people are dying and young people are growing up knowing nothing else.
The young don’t really care if someone is homosexual, and least those who grow up in larger cities with a more diverse population. Tolerance is increasing in the US, although perhaps not among some in more isolated areas. It’s only a matter of time before nobody gives a thought to same sex marriage. That’s the direction history is flowing. Most everybody now accepts marriage across the lines of wealth, and the lines of race and religion. And the same will happen with gay marriage.
Report Post »Amos37
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 11:42pmPeter was not the head of the church, Jesus is: He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.
The whole father thing: And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
You can‘t just change God’s Word and make it what you want it. You can’t change the sabbath. God notices.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 11:44pm@ piper60
If you had been 14 living in Germany in 1941 you had 3 choices. Join the HJ, flee to Switzerland or die.
Tell me how many people died in the street battles during the 1920s. Your talking about 2 decades of strife. Of gangs killing each other on the street and when one side one, most people did not want to tangle with them.
How many people tangle with the Black Panthers?
Report Post »Darren
Posted on September 25, 2011 at 12:03amAmos 37;
I do not dispute the role of Jesus in the eternities. in fact, I very much agree with what you said of Him, even the part of He being the head ofthe Church. But Christ being the head ofthe Church, something no Christian, Catholic, Protestant, mormon, etc, denies, does not conflict with Peter being the head of the Christain Church on earth. For Christ will guide and direct His Church through living men known as prophets. And I‘m sure you’re well aware, Amos 3:7 says, “Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.” God *will do nothing* without revealing His will to prophets. Peter was that prophet in Christ‘s time and immediately after Christ’s ascension unto heaven. I believe Christ continues the line of prophets today. And, again, no doubt He is te head of His Church.
Report Post »thepatriotdave
Posted on September 25, 2011 at 1:05amI really like this Pope! And I’m not even Catholic.
America is in Dire Need of a Hero…
Report Post »Mine is Allen West!
hillbillyinny
Posted on September 25, 2011 at 1:57amWell, what a judgemental lot you’all are!
Jesus did not come to form a particular denomination. He came to “Save Sinners,“ to ”Show us the Father,“ and that we ”might have life, and have it to the full.” The Church (the Bride of Christ), are the People of God. Those who mislead “the young” and against God, who abuse “little ones” would be better to have a “millstone around their neck” than what they’ll receive from the judgement of God.
Any group of Christians who think they are “better” than others are not being humble and servants of God! Quoting Bible verses is easy, living by those versus is a calling (to “perfection, as God is perfect”). Understanding that you need to remove the “plank from your own eye, before trying to remove the sliver from your brother’s eye,” is a concept that many so-called Christians do not think applies to them!
The current Pope, Cardinal Ratzinger, is a man called to perfection, realizes he is a sinner as are other members of the Church, and is striving to live a servangs life for other believers and sinners! You don’t have to like him, you don’t have to listen to him, but you should be able to find some respect for him.
Why not become the follower Christ wants you to be. Respect and pray for others, speak out about sin, explain that the payment for sin has been made through the blood of the Son, Jesus, and help others to get to “know the Father.”
Theology can so get in the way of Salvation!
Report Post »BetterDays
Posted on September 25, 2011 at 2:56am@Freedentstheone:
Report Post »Sorry to have to be the one to let you in on a big secret, but Oeter is NOT the Rock Jesus was referring to in that scripture.
From the Araimac, the ancient Greek the new testament is written , Peter “Petras” meaning pebble, whereas Jesus means Petras, which is both Praise and Large Bolder(Rock).
In the passage just prior to Jesus saying, upon this rock shall my church be found we see Jesus telling Peter he was correct that he, Jesus is the Son of GOD. What Jesus is telling Peter is a continuation of Peters statement of Christs divinity, that upon Jesus (Petra Bolder,rock) the Christian Church shall be built, and it is as Jesus stated.
Their are numerous occasions of the RCC misquoting scripture to elevate herself where she does not belong. Not the least of which is that the clergy believe that we are living in a post second coming era. Though you will have to specifically ask a clergyman to tell you this. Yes, you read that correctly, the layoff is not taught this, as an x-catholic ( all sacraments ) I know this as a fact, because as a Christian I asked my cities Mountsenior. The RCC believes that Jesus has already come back, where that leaves us he did not speak to, it’s called post dispensationalism and is entirely Biblically incorrect, as the RCC believe Jesus returned durning the empire of Greece, when in fact according to the book of Daniel and Nebicanezzers dream of the statue, “ the rock not hewn by human hands” strikes the feet not the tors
ConservativeConstitutionalist
Posted on September 25, 2011 at 3:26am@RangerP — the Bible does not call “homosexuality” an abomination. In Leviticus, it does say “man shall not lie with another man” for it is an “abomination.“ But what is an ”abomination?” Something that was not sinful, just not the norm of the time. You know what else is an abomination? Wearing clothes of multiple fabrics, eating shellfish, being around a woman on her period, staying inside your city while you’re sick, eating “unclean” animals, etc. Yet how many of these things do you — and those who say “Bible says” — do, knowing that the Bible says they’re abominations? What isn’t an abomination? Love. Love is the greatest gift we have, especially for others. Being gay isn’t a sin, because we’re born that way, in God’s image. This means God is also gay. If two men or two women love each other they are only following God’s most important commandment — to love. I don’t expect the Catholic Church (of which I am part) to accept gay marriage in my lifetime, but in my heart and soul, through prayer, I know that my being gay and my love of another man is not sinful.
Report Post »Katydidnt
Posted on September 25, 2011 at 4:19amBetter Days — Petra is a female Greek word, they made it Petras for Peter because he is masculine. The original was not said in Greek. In Hebrew it is Cephus, the same word which is what Jesus would have said. Which is what the he is called often in Acts. This word is used once in the Old Testement to describe a man in Isaiah 51:1-2 — Abraham, the rock from which you were cut, the father of Israel” Jesus calling Peter this is huge.
Jesus renaming him is huge — God renamed Abraham, Sarah and Jacob. God does not rename people lightly.
When Jesus is giving him the keys of the kingdom that is extremely significant. The steward of the king was a permanent position in the royal courts of the Davidic line. The steward ran the country in the king’s absence. Think of the power of Joseph in his position of steward to Pharoah. Jesus is refering to Isa 22:15-25 where God is speaking about the steward of the time. Note: steward position is permanent position, the person who holds it changes.
Peter is the first to speak at Pentecost opening the door to all Jews. Peter is the first to convert a Gentile, opening the door to all Gentiles. John defers to Peter when they are running to the tomb, waiting for him to enter, even though he got there first. Jesus instructs Peter to feed his sheep.
Report Post »libsdolie
Posted on September 25, 2011 at 5:48amI think it was Rush or maybe Hanity who said this there are 3 sides to marriage.
Report Post »1 Social: it will be between them and thier social circle (friends and so forth)
2 Cerimonial: the ceromony if they have one ok
3 Legal: that is where it gets tricky
As long as the Law of the Land does not say all must reconize the union ok. Cause i reconize a woman and a man as married……… Not a man and man, or woman and woman, what you do is none of my business. Just do not put it in my face and expect me to agree with whatevery you do, it is not my business and i do not want to know….. If you are gay or hetro for the most part i do not want to know and i do not care just do not ask me to condone it…….
louise
Posted on September 25, 2011 at 7:03am@ FREEDENTSTHEONE,
I think you are confusing The Rock (Greek for Rock is Petra which means a large unmovable Rock and this refers to Jesus Christ who is the Rock, the Cornerstone), with the rock ( greek word is petros, which means a small piece of a larger rock. Jesus used the word petros to describe Peter. The Church is built on the solid foundational Rock (which cannot be moved) and the Rock here is Petra (Jesus Christ), not Peter.
Report Post »Jesus is the exact representation of the nature of God (Hebrews 1:3). We know that GOd changes not. Jesus is the only one who is given the title of Petra. He does not change. He is unmovable.
On the other hand, Peter was referred to as petros…a small piece of the larger rock. Was Peter ever “moved”….?
In this one verse, the traditions of men have built a church around Peter calling him Petra.
They are wrong. This is not the Truth.
Katydidnt
Posted on September 25, 2011 at 7:59amWas Peter ever moved? Hmm, why yes, yes, he was. He was moved from Jerusalem to Rome. Why, that is just like that vision in Daniel, when the Angel Gabriel has that vision of the Giant Statue of gold, silver, bronze and a minture of iron and clay. They were to represent for great empires that would rule the earth until the Christ came. Assyria, Medes& Persians, Greeks and finally Rome (being the feet of the giant statue).. What happens to the feet? Why God picks up a “small stone” and flings it at the feet. The stone grows destroying all that came before it until it covers the whole earth. Where did Peter go again? Rome. Didn’t the church in there grow until it brought down the empire and spread to the whole world?
Report Post »By the way, Jesus didn’t say, “Petra and Petras” he said “Cephas”. (He didn’t speak Greek.) If the keys of the kingdom do not represent authority, please tell me, what do they represent? What was Jesus singling out Peter for? Why was the name change so important that Greeks called him “Petras” instead of just leaving his name as Cephas? If you are talking to a guy would you use the name Josephine or Joseph? Petras is the masculine form of the word Petra, which is normally a feminine word.
Jesus was never shy of using the words, “I am”, Here he specifically uses the words, “You are”. Jesus knew He was dying soon, He let the Father reveal to Him who the Father wanted to be steward while he was gone and gave him the keys.
louise
Posted on September 25, 2011 at 8:15amKatydidn’t………….
Was Peter “moved”?
Peter denied Christ 3 times.
Interesting that you would twist my post which was about the unchanging, unmovable nature of Christ into a “moving of location”.
Report Post »Katydidnt
Posted on September 25, 2011 at 9:03amLouise your word “moved” reminded me of that verse. Christ is the King and immovable. Believe it or not, we Catholics believe in Christ and our lives revolve around Christ. We respect the Pope because he is the successor of Peter. God’s steward of the church here on earth. Jesus established that. Jesus didn’t have to single out Peter, but he did. You equate our believing in Christ’s word as a sign of disbelief in God nothing could be further from the truth. God gave his authority to men. God gave his Holy Spirit to men. Eve in the Garden knew full well what the will of God was regarding the tree, but she wanted to be like God deciding for her self what was right and wrong and how it applied to her life. Protestants hate authority, they don‘t want anybody telling them what they can and can’t do. That is why you currently have 35,000 brands of protestantism right now. Because nobody can speak with any authority, it is all, well I think the Bible means this 35000 different ways. We have the treasury of faith that was passed on from the apostles. The purpose of the Pope and the church elders is to faithfully pass it on unchanged to the next generation.
Report Post »louise
Posted on September 25, 2011 at 9:37amKatydidn’t….
Katydidn’t, There is only one Authority. God. It makes no difference which “church” tries to reinvent God’s Truth because it is His Truth that stands forever. Not pope’s, not a tv evangelist’s, not a protestant minister’s, not a rabbi’s, not a catholic priest’s.
Report Post »It is sad when men praise men instead of God.
hillbillyinny
Posted on September 25, 2011 at 9:38am@ katydidn’t
Thank you so much for your wise sharing! Going to “the source” is always best!
During the 4th Century and well into the Middle Ages, the RCC was a State and Church, which needed a “strong leader” as other Nation States had. Wars needed to be fought, agreements negotiated, other States annexed, etc. The Pope during these times was much more of a secular leader than he was able to concentrate on Biblical and spiritual things.
Thankfully we are at a point in Church history to have ONE church leader who is able and willing to stand on Truth! We definitely need this with World History today and probably well into tomorrow!
Maranatha–even so come, Lord Jesus!
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on September 25, 2011 at 10:48amWow, kind of glad I missed this one. All the crazies are out in force.
Maybe most of you should spend some more time reading your Bible instead of arguing religion in forums or listening to men wearing bathrobes…Just a thought…
Report Post »Mandors
Posted on September 25, 2011 at 11:27am@CONSTITUTIONALCONSERVATIVE
Your argument of comparing homosexuality in Leviticus with food laws does not help your attempt to rationalize your homosexual behavior as acceptable in the bible or in Judaeo-Christian belief. Yes, both things are “abominations” but that means they are “disgusting, vile, repugnant.” Homosexuality is thus by your rationale disgusting, vile and repugnant, and in addition it is the equivalent of with having sex with animals. (Lev.18-23) I don’t think this is what you were trying to accomplish.
Unfortunately, rhetorical arguments are not a strong basis to understand scripture. The fact is homosexuality was reviled in the bible. That is not to say there might not have homosexual people in ancient times, but they and their behavior was nowhere close to being accepted by Jew and early Christians.
The gay rights movement may have spent millions of dollars and hours over the last two decades distributing propaganda, infiltrating the media and brainwashing themselves and the country that homosexuality is okay, but none of that speaks to what is contained in the bible and word of God.
This is a free country. Be happy with your partner, but do not deceive yourself and others that your individual behavior is acceptable under a Christian God.
Report Post »poverty.sucks
Posted on September 25, 2011 at 12:12pm@TrollTrainer – you bring to light an interesting point, Roman Catholic church for centuries forbid reading the Holy Bible, actually killed people for doing so. We should all read the Bible, even those who are not Christians, it’s about human History. Every modern social concern is addressed and is the origins of Social Justice. Live by which God commands or be the sea fire.
Report Post »Libertarian B 4 Libertarians Were Cool
Posted on September 25, 2011 at 12:54pmOf course, the Catholic church can’t ACCEPT homosexuality, as they used up all their acceptance on pedophile priests!
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on September 25, 2011 at 1:44pm@freedentstheone
Amos hit it on the head. Jesus is the rock on wich the church was built, not Peter.
There is no Pope in the Bible. Study Popes throughout Chatholic history, and tell me that Popes such as Boniface, Benedict IX,Urban VI, and Clement VII (these men were wicked) align with what was tought in New Testament Christian Church. the catholic chruch
corrupted christianity and made a business and government out of it.
James was over the church in Jerusulem. They took Paul after his conversion to James not Peter.
In the New testament, there is no pope, no burning candles for the dead, prayer to Mary, purgatory, closet confession to a priest. Paul told us not to call another “father”. There is no child baptism, or much rules that catholics hold dear. There is no saint hood, where a board of people decide if the person perfomred a miracle, Non of this is Biblical, it is all man made rules made to govern and give power to men.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on September 25, 2011 at 2:07pmSheesh, if Catholics would disregard all the crap they do that is not in the Bible they’d be…Baptists…
Report Post »GIDEON612
Posted on September 25, 2011 at 4:17pmHere we go all over again.
Report Post »The catholics are one of the biggest cults in the world. The fall of Sodom and Gomorrah was their pride and I just ask all of you to look at how these members treat all those that are not in their cult. They look down at them, like they are in an exclusive country club. The sad fact is that they are on the wide path to hell.
The enemy, Satan of whom Peter was known for entertaining, has done a good job of divide and conquer anyone that has been slightly drawn to God.
The catholics are anti-Christ and anti-Bible through and through and we can go on and on about that. They follow man-made doctrine and throw out God’s Word for their own. Polytheism rampant and perverse in all their ways.
Jesus said that, “ the world will hate you because it hated Me first”, but the catholics are the accepted church of the worldly. That should really jump out as a red flag.
The catholics look down and mock what they call protestants but what were these protestants protesting against? The perverse and ungodly cult called the catholics.
The people that were labeled protestants were those that were searching the scriptures and seeking God’s face, not social and status acceptance.
This comment by this false god on earth is purely political and trying to regain traction.
Look up how much hush money has been paid out by this cult recently for the convict-able act of molesting and destroying the lives of countless young people, it is in the billions, w/n
Welcome Black Carter
Posted on September 25, 2011 at 6:43pm” the Bible does not call “homosexuality” an abomination. In Leviticus, it does say “man shall not lie with another man” for it is an “abomination.“ But what is an ”abomination?” Something that was not sinful, just not the norm of the time.”
So, being gay is like eating shell fish… that is really weak.
Report Post »At least you are Catholic… Forgive me father, for I have sinned…
rangerp
Posted on September 25, 2011 at 8:47pm@Welcome Black Carter You are wrong
the Bible tells us they are an abomination, that they should be killed, and that God gave them up unto vile affections
Lev 18 22 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
Lev 20 13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them
Romans 1:26-27For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Report Post »Darren
Posted on September 25, 2011 at 8:59pmJust to expand on Katydidnt’s post on “Cephas” (an outstanding post, by the way):
“40 One of the two which heard John speak, and followed him, was Andrew, Simon Peter’s brother.
41 He first findeth his own brother Simon, and saith unto him, We have found the Messias, which is, being interpreted, the Christ.
42 And he brought him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld him, he said, Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation, A stone.”
John 1
I agree that it’s very significant that Jesus called Peter Cephas and later declared that “upon this rock” will He lay the foundation of His gospel. To assign this delcaration to Jesus I think is more arbitrary than by a clear reading of John 16.
But, again, as I said before, Jesus is the true head of the gospel and Catholics very much believe this as well.
Report Post »jhaydeng
Posted on September 25, 2011 at 9:13pmSorry, but the pope is all over the place on moral topics. As a catholic it’s confusing and disappointing to see such a wide array of stances.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on September 25, 2011 at 9:20pmPeter not Pope Scriptures
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. (Matthew 16:18 KJV)
The only verse used as evidence of Peter being first “Pope” seems firm but does anything else confirm it, no, it shows it falsely taught.
-Paul says their equal; 2 Corinthians 11:5
-Paul censors Peter; Galatians 2:11-16
-Peter is a pillar of Church, not the Pillar. Galatians 2:8-10
-Peter was sent to preach by others; Acts 8
-Peter did not preside the Council of Jerusalem; Acts 15
-Peter refused to have Cornelius kneel to him; Acts 10:25-26
-Peter professes he can’t forgive sin, like popes today; Acts 8:22
-Peter says he’s a pastor or elder; I Peter 5: 1-3.
‘Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of DEVILS, speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; forbidding to MARRY, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God bath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.’ I Tirnothy 4:1-3.
‘A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one WIFE … one that ruleth well his own house, having his CHILDREN in subjection with all gravity; for if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?’ I Timothy 3:1-7.
Either you believe God’s word or you
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on September 25, 2011 at 9:30pm@Okie from Muskogee
Outstanding post.
Love a good many catholic people that I know, I just do not understand how they can read the Bible, and not see the lies from the Catholic Church.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on September 25, 2011 at 9:37pm@Louise
Keep speaking truth. Apparently, KatyDidnt didn’t read her Bible!
@KatyDidnt
Can you provide any other verse from the Bible declaring Peter “Pope”?
Can you please elaborate on why so many teachings of the Catholic Church are in total contradiction with the Bible?
You may need some man to tell you how to think, believers in Jesus Christ only look to Him and thru God’s Word and Spirit we find our direction.
Protestants have no problem with authority, none at all. Protestants have a problem with a MAN saying he is Christ on Earth and we must worship how he says or die and that we must pay money to be forgiven. I believe there were 92 specific reasons the Protest ants had a problem with the false religion of the man pope.
If you believe in Jesus Christ, I’m not saying you do or do not, I sincerely ask you to open the Bible to the verses above and see truth. Then ask why is the one man, pope, you believe is leader of the Church telling you opposite of God. Have a great night.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on September 25, 2011 at 9:45pm@Ranger P
Thank you. I too have met and know many Catholics and when speaking with them on God’s word most denounce the Catholic faith and leave it. Few haven’t but are very skeptical now. Truth is awesome man. Your posts were right on. Keep it up.
@Gideon
How are you? Long time no post…..Just wanted to say it was good to see you posting and hope you do so more frequently. I know time is so short. Keep up the good fight my friend. Hope to hear from you soon.
Report Post »GIDEON612
Posted on September 25, 2011 at 9:56pm@Okie
Long time, no see. You are spot on as usual.
Just as so many have been swayed by the hope of hope and change and have been swindled into socialism and islamic beliefs and do not even know it. Those that have been led into catholicism have been led in like fashion.
Religion kills.
We are to be disciples( followers ) of Jesus Christ.
The divisions of Satan have done much damage. If the Scriptures had been followed the world would not be in the mess that is in. We that seek God the Father through His Son Jesus Christ were not to be divided or follow others teachings, PERIOD !
1 Corinthians 3:3-5
3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
Report Post »4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
Dan of Reason
Posted on September 26, 2011 at 12:17amSoviet Russia considered the Catholic Church to be their most dangerous enemy; Moral, Global, today 1 Billion followers. I contend, therefore, they sent any deviant to seminary to disrupt the faith of the people. Don’t believe me? look up Bella Dodd, a communist that converted to Catholicism (Bless you Arch Bishop Fulton Sheen!) and reported she knew of AT LEAST 1100 Soviet insurgents (homosexuals, child molesters, communists, etc.) in seminary, in the Preisthood, Bishops, and even Cardinals. Why bother to attack one of the other 20,000 to 30,000 demoniations of Christianity?
Pope John Paul II, in Divine Providence with President Reagan (hat is off to Lady Thatcher too), bought us a couple decades.time, but we need to proclaim Christ in unison. Either way… Christ is Victor!
Report Post »NC1
Posted on September 26, 2011 at 10:06amRangerP, you are correct in your posts but do not forget that Peter said that it is better not to marry so that a person can devote their whole life to God. But if desire overcomes a person they should marry (man & woman) so that they will be in a relationship blessed by God. Not word for word out of the Bible but you get the point. Priests and nuns are supposed to be “married” to the church and devote their whole life to God. Unfortunately, as we know, some of the priests haven’t held up to their end of the deal with their creator and took liberties with those weaker and more venerable.
Report Post »Tim Law
Posted on September 26, 2011 at 10:25am1 Corinthians1-3 1 Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. 2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband. 3 Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband.
Report Post »Paul’s message seems pretty clear!
Darren
Posted on September 26, 2011 at 12:20pmOkie;
Here’s a part of the Bible which addresses to one tenet of your overall good argument.
“2 And, behold, they brought to him a man sick of the palsy, lying on a bed: and Jesus seeing their faith said unto the sick of the palsy; Son, be of good cheer; thy sins be forgiven thee.
3 And, behold, certain of the scribes said within themselves, This man blasphemeth.
4 And Jesus aknowing their thoughts said, Wherefore think ye evil in your hearts?
5 For whether is easier, to say, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and walk?
6 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house.
7 And he arose, and departed to his house.
8 But when the multitudes saw it, they marvelled, and glorified God, which had given such power unto men.”
Mathew 9
There is power *unto* men to forgive sins. Ultimately forgivness is in Christ and all Catholics believe as much. Even the popes.
And here’s Acts 8:22 – “Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.“ What part from that do you conclude that ”Peter professes he can’t forgive sin, like popes today”?
While I do not believe in the authority of the popes, I would like to present the Catholic faith accurately.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on September 26, 2011 at 2:52pmDarren
Howdy!
Who forgives the Pope of sin?
In Acts 8, who is Peter saying to pray to in order to forgive their sin? God, not Peter.
In Matthew 9:1-8 Christ had healed a man sick of palsy (a paralytic) as proof that He had the power to forgive sins also. Anyone can say, I will forgive your sins, but the miracle of healing was “proof positive” that He was truly the Son of God! In Matthew 10:8, this power of healing and other miracles would also be given to the Twelve Apostles, and to The Seventy in Luke 10. As we are going to see from Scriptures, no human being was ever given the power to forgive sins. The message of the Twelve Apostles was that Christ was to bear our sin on the cross, and by the power given to them to perform miracles their message was substantiated as authentic. In Matthew 10 they were to go ONLY to the nation of Israel. In verses 6 and 7…
“…go, rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And as ye go, preach, saying, THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS AT HAND.”
The power given them is recorded in verse 8…
“Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils (demons): freely ye have received, freely give.”
This is the power given *unto* them……I hope you see the difference…
Report Post »Darren
Posted on September 26, 2011 at 4:22pmOgie;
“Who forgives the Pope of sin? ”
The same being which forgives everyone else.
“In Acts 8, who is Peter saying to pray to in order to forgive their sin? God, not Peter. ”
Which is, as I said, God ultimately forgives sin, not man. This is what Catholics believe. But you said that Peter *confessed* to not have power to forgive. I do not read a *confession* of any sort in Acts 8 by Peter; but an admiration to seek God for forgiveness. Catholics believe that sinners should seek God for forgiveness as well.
Shortly before christ ascended unto heaven, he gave this encouragement to the Apostles: “21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you. 22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: 23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.” (John 20). Why would Jesus give unto the Apostles power to retain and remit sin if Jesus is the only source of forgiveness? If man cannot in any way be an intermediary between God and sinner, then why leave unto the Apostles this power in the first place. The Pope does not play God, Catholics do not teach any such thing. He helps people to God as a chosen leader of God. That is their belief.
Anda howdy back to you.
Report Post »Darren
Posted on September 26, 2011 at 4:27pmOgie;
Oops!
By “confessed” I meant “professed” and by “confession” I mean “proclamation”.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on September 26, 2011 at 5:28pmDarren
It’s okie, not ogie. Are you saying the Pope sins?
“but an admiration to seek God for forgiveness.”
Why is Peter saying seek God for forgiveness if Peter can forgive the sin himself? You are contradicting yourself. It isn’t Peter that forgives sin, it’s the Words he speaks, God’s Word, Jesus Christ the Word, that forgives sin. Belief in the WORD, the word being Jesus, forgives sin. The power Peter, Paul, James, etc have is God’s Word, Jesus Christ, and sharing it they bring others to forgiveness, thru the Word, not themselves. You are believing in man, not Jesus. Only Jesus paid the price for sin and can forgive it.
“He that rejecteth me (Christ), and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the WORD that I have spoken, the same (i.e., the Word) shall judge him in the last day.” John 12:48
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; (1Timothy 2:5 KJV)
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. (1 John 1:9 KJV)
As for the popes declaring to be Christ on Earth, well, we could have a very lengthy discussion on this. These simple false teachings of the pope speak for themselves. If you are asking me to show more false teachings such as Pope being Christ on Earth, I will, simply ask. Hope your day is great.
Report Post »Darren
Posted on September 26, 2011 at 7:58pmOkie;
“It’s okie, not ogie. Are you saying the Pope sins? ”
Sorry about the Ogie. Yes, the Pope sins. Who doesn’t? And who, besides Jesus, has never sinned? Just like God forgives sinners at large, he also forgives the pope.
My main point is that if you’re taking the position to condemn the catholic Church for false doctrine then at least present their doctrinal beliefs accurately. They do not believe that the Pope‘s words is equal to God’s word. Individual may vary regarding the Pope and infallibility on matters of religion but as a matter of doctrine, I do not think you can show that Catholics believe that forgiveness from the pope is equivalent to forgiveness from God. They do believe that God chooses servants to represent Him on earth and the Pope is one of those servants. But that’s the extent of it, he’s a servant to God, not divine himself.
(con’t)
Report Post »Darren
Posted on September 26, 2011 at 8:07pmOkie (con’t);
“The function of the pope in the New Testament is similar to, though not identical with, the function of the high priest in the Old Testament. For example, the high priest offered the greatest sacrifices to God (e.g., on Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement) and functioned as the earthly leader of God’s people.
While Christ is our high priest with respect to sacrifices (he offered the great sacrifice of himself; see Hebrews 7-10) and is the ultimate head of all God’s people, he has left Peter here to serve as his visible representative in his absence. The pope, as the successor of Peter, thus has a function similar to that of the high priest as the earthly head of God’s people.”
http://www.catholic.com/quickquestions/is-the-pope-similar-to-the-high-priest-in-the-old-testament
That’s a highly reliable site to share Catholics doctrines. Catholics do not believe the Pope is “Christ on earth”; but rather a high priest of sorts. There’s no problem with this belief in terms of biblical teachings. There may be specific Catholics who refer to the Pope as “sweet Chirst on earth” but this is tradition, not doctrine in the Catholic faith.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on September 26, 2011 at 9:44pmDarren
I have presented the Catholic Church preaches celibacy, forgiveness of sin thru men, and Peter as pope and showed all are false doctrine thru God’s Word. Those doctrines are preached and they are exact opposite of the Bible. False doctrine. Doctrine built on sand.
Were you not arguing Peter forgives sin and Christ gave him this power? You are now saying Popes do not forgive sin? Which is it? The same powers Peter had all apostles had as well as the 70 in Luke. What special power does Peter have to be Pope?
“They do believe that God chooses servants to represent Him on earth and the Pope is one of those servants. But that’s the extent of it, he’s a servant to God, not divine himself.”
First comes in last, and last comes in first. I am a servant of God and I represent Him as a believer in Jesus Christ. The Pope magnifies himself, first, and believers in Christ humble themselves, last. First will be last and last will be first. Servants are not served, they serve. The Pope is magnified, glorified, and held sacred and that is wrong, Jesus Christ should be.
As for being “high priest”, that is Christ. All apostles had the same powers……Peter was never a Pope….To say so and ones authority comes from that is a LIE. The whole foundation of such church is a lie, sand, and will not stand.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on September 26, 2011 at 9:49pmDarren
Here are 3 quotes and there is a quote from each generation citing the pope as God, Lord God, Sweet Christ on Earth, etc. which can be provided. Read between the 2 ** on the last quote aloud. I could go on and on and on and on with false doctrine of the catholic faith. Before I do, you should reconcile why the 3 shown above are taught. After that we will proceed on to others.
“All names which in the Scriptures are applied to Christ, by virtue of which it is established that He is over the church, all the same names are applied to the Pope.” – On the Authority of the Councils, book 2, chapter 17
Report Post »“The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth.” Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Chapter XXVII, p. 218, “Cities Petrus Bertanous”.
“The Saviour Himself is the door of the sheepfold: ‘I am the door of the sheep.’ Into this fold of Jesus Christ, no man may enter unless he be led by the Sovereign Pontiff; and *only if they be united to him can men be saved*, for the Roman Pontiff is the Vicar of Christ and His personal representative on earth.” (Pope John XXIII in his homily to the Bishops and faithful assisting at his coronation on November 4, 1958).
Darren
Posted on September 26, 2011 at 11:11pmOkie;
“Were you not arguing Peter forgives sin and Christ gave him this power? You are now saying Popes do not forgive sin? Which is it?”
What I’ve said all along is that man has certain powers to forgive. Why else would Jesus bestow power unto His Apostles before his ascension into heaven to remitor retain sins of others? I have also maintained that it is ultimately God who forgives, not man. This is what Catholics believe doctrinally. Any need of reprentence (and we all have it) is between an individual and God. Any servant of God offering “forgiveness” can only do so in a manner that helps others to seek God. this is also what Catholics believe. Catholics do not doctrinally believe that forgiveness comes through the pope but by God’s grace and His grace alone. They also believe that God chooses those whom to forgive. This comes straight from the catechisms.
That the Pope is “glorified” and “magnified” too much I would agree. He is a man and that’s all. Granted, I have no problem in revering or even praising men of God but the bowing down before the pope and using titles of superiority I do not find doctrinal. But it still remains that Catholics see the Pope as a servant of God; not a representative of God Himself.
I also agree that Peter was never a Pope. A prophet and head of Christ’s Church under Christ, yes; but not a pope.
(con’t)
Report Post »Darren
Posted on September 26, 2011 at 11:23pmOkie;
Actually, in order to comment on those quotes, i’ll need the source by which you cited them. i‘m naturally suspicious of those who condemn another’s religion and then cites quotes to “prove” the falsehood of the church that person condemns.
So, a link, please. I do not want a reiteration of those quote’s origins. in other words, I’m not interested in a reply saying, “it’s On the Authority of the Councils, book 2, chapter 17″. I can already see that the second quote is attributed to “On the Authority of the Councils, book 2, chapter 17″, so what I’m interested from you in is your source for cutting and pasting the second quote which is said to have been from “On the Authority of the Councils, book 2, chapter 17″.
Until then, this might interest you:
http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=258966
The replies seem to be a unaminous “NO”.
Report Post »Darren
Posted on September 26, 2011 at 11:26pmOkie;
oops on my part 9again0. it looks like I was thinking about the first quote, not the second. But my inquiry remains. And just so you know, this specific thread seems will be leaving the front page soon. I rarely continue dialogues when that ocurrs.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on September 26, 2011 at 11:41pmDarren
Peter isn’t pope. A lie taught and you agree is false. Just on that lie alone, the foundation of this church Peter is pope and thus their authority comes from, should show a false religion. Then start adding forbidding of marriage, Mary worship, repetitive prayer, trinity, heaven/hell/purgatory, praying to dead, and on and on one clearly must recognize this church doesn‘t preach God’s Word. A church not preaching God’s Word is a false church.
I’ll provide you the exact sources.
Copy this link and save it and you can return all you wish easily.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/pope-says-catholics-cannot-accept-gay-marriage-and-religion-must-not-be-banished-from-public-life/
If you’d like to further discuss without this thread: okiefrommuskogee33@yahoo.com
I‘m always for discussing God’s Word and truth. Hope your nights good.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 12:03amDarren
Catechism Pope is Head
”For the Roman Pontiff, by reason of his
office as Vicar of Christ, and as pastor of
the entire Church has full, supreme, and
universal power over the whole Church, a
power which he can always exercise
unhindered.”
Verification:(#882, p. 254)
Bible Jesus is Head
“For the husband is the head of the wife, even as CHRIST IS THE
HEAD OF THE CHURCH…” -Eph. 5:23
The Pope is the Supreme Pastor and Teacher
”The Roman Pontiff…as supreme pastor
and teacher of all the faithful..”
Verification: (#891, p. 256)
Bible says Holy Ghost is teacher
“But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, HE SHALL TEACH YOU ALL THINGS, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have
said unto you.” –John 14:26
If you’d like me to continue I can and I will. Please check back and I’ll provide all sources, quotes, and Biblical verse showing false doctrine. God has given a good opportunity to shine truth, and I will gladly do so.
Report Post »Darren
Posted on September 27, 2011 at 12:47amOkie;
I have my theological disagreements with the Catholic Church. I believe in praying to the Father in the name of the son. That’s it. While I do not believe that there is only heaven and hell, I do not believe in Purgatory. In fact from what I understand, Purgtory is focused on inflicting suffering for unrepented sin; not coming unto Christ as key to reprentence and salvation. But I really have no need to condemn the Catholic Church; nor do I have any problem promoting the great good the Catholic Church has done in the world. This is especially true in preserving the Bible and forming Western societies.
If I thought and felt it was Gods true church with true teachings as its doctrines then I’d be Catholic. But I do not think or feel that way and so I am not.
Now, as for the Pope, you cite he is “Head”. Well, that’s true, isn’t it? The Pope is the head ofthe Catholic Church but they believe the true head, or the ultimate Head is Christ; not the Pope.
I appreciate your email and time but the only source I’ll need por desire would be the ones from your first set of quotes regarding the pope being equal to God.
Take care and God bless.
Report Post »Josh87654321
Posted on September 28, 2011 at 9:42pmOut of all that I could ask you, this one is primary… What do you feel should be done with Homosexuals?
Report Post »cranberry
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 8:45pmTotally agree on both counts.
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 9:24pmJohn 21:18
Report Post »Verily, verily, I say unto thee. (thee being Simon Peter)
When thou wast young, thou girdedst thyself, and walked whither thou wouldest:
but when thou shalt be old, thou shalt stretch forth thy hands, and another shall
gird thee, and carry thee whither thou wouldest not.
Eliasim
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 9:39pmIs that like God told Moses to speak to Pharaoh, and that Moses would be as a God unto Pharaoh? And Moses told God that himself doesn’t speak well, and God gave Moses encouragement, and God told Moses to raise up his spirit and stretch forth his hands?
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 9:47pmWhich church is more tyrannical and corrupt: the original church or the rebellious off-shoots?
Report Post »gramma b
Posted on September 25, 2011 at 9:34amThis non-Catholic also agrees, and is grateful to the Pope for speaking out. I hate to see this thread devolve into a Protestant v. Catholic fight. These are very important topics, and all people who adhere to traditional religious belief should band together to speak out, rather than forming a circular firing squad. From my experience, the thing that scares the Left most is that religious people might set aside their doctrinal differences, agreeing to disagree, and unite against the Left on issues of life and family.
Report Post »vaughan
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 8:40pmI agree with the Pope.
Report Post »Sullygwen
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 8:38pmAs Glenn says do you own homework. This is what the pope really said. I agree 100%…
In the present climate, in which many would like, as it were, to “liberate” public life from God, the Christian Churches in Germany – including Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox Christians – are walking side by side along the path of peaceful witness for understanding and solidarity among peoples, on the basis of their faith in the one God and Father of all. At the same time they continue to place the miracle of God’s incarnation at the centre of their proclamation. Realizing that on this mystery all human dignity depends, they speak up jointly for the protection of human life from conception to natural death. Faith in God, the Creator of life, and unconditional adherence to the dignity of every human being strengthen faithful Christians to oppose vigorously every manipulative and selective intervention in the area of human life. Knowing too the value of marriage and the family, we as Christians attach great importance to defending the integrity and the uniqueness of marriage between one man and one woman from any kind of misinterpretation. Here the common engagement of Christians, including Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox Christians, makes a valuable contribution to building up a society equipped for the future, in which the human person is given the respect which is his due.
Report Post »Darren
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 9:18pmExcellent!
Report Post »Drakkhanlord
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 8:12pm“” In every country and every age, the priest has been hostile to Liberty.”"
Thomas Jefferson
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 8:22pmLike Martin Luther or John Hus?
Try Harder!
Report Post »Darren
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 9:20pmThen I guess the Mayflower Compact was a communist concpiracy
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 11:07pm@ Darren
I have no problem with communism. I have seen it work on a small scale.
I have never seen communism work on a large scale. A large scale communist countries devolve into oligarchies at best. It doesn’t work.
There are several communist/communitarian groups in the USA. Some of them Christian. They work.
If the avowed leftist really believed in communism they would establish them buy buying property & living that way. If they were successful they would grow. Other people would join them. I think they don’t have the courage to carry out their convictions.
The Puritans tried communism & it did not work out for them. They were good people when they tried communism & they were good people when they transitioned to a different economic system.
Report Post »Chuck Stein
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 11:19pm@ walkabout
Report Post »You make a good point about communism. Few know (although I am sure that the vast majority of Blaze contributors DO know) that Marx did not “invent’ communism — he hijacked the term.
Darren
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 11:30pmwalkabout;
I’m fine if people volutarily practice communism. But my point was to somewhat rebuke Drakkanhan for misrepresenting Thomas Jefferson.
Report Post »NHABE64
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 8:12pmI completely agree, we must not accept homosexuality and call it normal. LIke a terrible disease it must be acknowledged as just that. Treat them, counsel them, be kind to them but we must NOT accept two hairy guys swapping spit and other bodily fluids.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 8:30pmHomosexuality is normal in nature. Especially where an alpha male has a harem. The beta males bond together. Usually when there is an unattached female wanders by, the male pair split with one of the males pairing up with the female.
The gays don’t tell you that.
Oh no they want to just state that homosexuality happens in nature and don;t question why or how much. All they do is state x number of species.
I think many gays are gays because they were beta males in their youth.
Report Post »cykoaudio
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 11:53pmcompletely agree,I think we as a society could all come to terms and agree on the matter & get past it,rather than quibble amongst each other…that is,agree with what I’ve seen many a psychologist give as their over arching thesis on the matter…that is that homosexuality is a “psycho-sexual disorder”…which means they are no worse than the hetero male or female who needs to pay for sex,go to strip clubs or act as a nymphomaniac…and as Howard Stern has almost scientifically proven over the years about strippers,that they come from mangled homes/parents or had no father,or one that abused them….same goes for homosexuals,I know one would counter by giving the exception to the rule,the one or two gays they know that had good household..but lets be honest,most gays can point to an abusive uncle or relative,sexually,or is one of those beta males early in adolescence discussed above,or fulfills need in a paternal area…but I’ve heard many psychologists give long,well researched theories on the matter & is the best,most reasonable argument & explanation I’ve heard..psycho-sexual disorder..if we can get to the botom of it,call a duck a duck,then we can move past,& most importantly,help CAN be found & at least admitted the need…but if we constantly give in to the very unscientific “we’re born with it”,which there is ZERO proof for,just because we don’t want to ruffle feathers,we,as society will keep propagating the lie,& the disorder
Report Post »rose-ellen
Posted on September 26, 2011 at 1:04pmThe Puritans wre the taliban of the day. That’s why no one could stand them in england and they fled to america. They were intolerent and cruel.As a catholic i believe that the the fullness of God’s revelation to man is contained in the teachings of the catholic church. That does not mean the other churches and other beliefs do not contain any truth about God or of what God has releaved to man[about Hinself and about our relationship with Him].All religions contain some truth; even pagans [that God is powerful perhaps]Yes it is true that now that the church is so accepted that is a red flag that it need be on its gard to remain true to Christ and not fall into the temptations of the world which is ruled by satan. The church has to remain countercultural . Too many catholics are arrogant and too ready to go along to get along.Too many in america have made an idol out of being american and americanism is their real religion..Oh and when we bash islam for using violence and mixing religion with state-this was part and parcel of christendom till quite recently.And the pope is only infallable refarding ethics and dogma when he declares a docrinal or ethical position to be. Aside that, the church and its members including clergy and popes are as flawed, sinful and corrupt as any people or instituions on earth are capable of being. What is essential-the doctine of the Good News of the Gospels and adherence to the sanctity of every person,remains..
Report Post »MrButcher
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 7:59pm“Vere are der voyz
I vant to vless der voyz!!!!”
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Herr Ratzinger,
If you only understood the irony in what you say.
Religion is not being “banished” from public life.
It is being discredited.
Big difference.
Erstewhile, Der Pope condemns homosexuals whilst defending child-raping priests….
such a step down from John Paul 2.
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“Vere are der voyz
I vant to vless der voyz!!!!”
Report Post »TRUTHandFREEDOM
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 8:10pmSorry butch, your progressive, marxist agenda is going to be flushed next year. I expect that you will only become more irate and display even lower character, but as long as I am free, I’m ok with that.
Report Post »MrButcher
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 8:17pm“progressive, marxist agenda”???
Azzhat!
I’m on your side!
I want Obama out too!
—————–
don’t mistake the dislike of religion for the “worship of men and government.”
Tyranny is the enemy
Report Post »Darren
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 9:23pm“Erstewhile, Der Pope condemns homosexuals whilst defending child-raping priests…. ”
Liar!
Report Post »cykoaudio
Posted on September 25, 2011 at 12:19am@mr butcher..”religion is not being banished,its being discredited”& “pope condemns homosexuals while defending child molesters”—-
Report Post »surely butch you don’t believe a word of what your saying-.if you’ve seen-& highly recommend you do if you consider yourself anti-tyrannical & open minded/free thinking-the movie-“Expelled” where it is proven the Nat’l Academy of Sciences/ every lib professor & university are tyrannical towards free speech & debate on the subject of evolution & ID-saying the matter is settled & anyone who disagrees,scientifically,gets fired,loses tenure,& gets blacklisted from professorship.& the best of modern scientists know the only antiquated discredited theory IS evolution-Dr.Gerald Schroeder of MIT/nuclear physicist//Hebrew university has written a couple of books that show the latest science matches up verbatim with first verses in Genesis-read “Science of God” if you dare to believe you are free thinking & open minded-& see story of Antony Flew & get back to me-tell me science,archaeology,physics etc hasn’t only proven the Bible MORE correct as time has elapsed..discredited? no I don’t think so,but those that say “religion-discredited” are being singled out as the ones w/antiquated belief system,who want debate stifled cuz they don’t like where the truth & facts are leading=scientific proof of a Creator–..re: the Pope has only REPRIMANDED violating priests & has done more than any to stop those,like NAMBLA,who want sodomy legalized
Darren
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 7:57pmGood for the Pope to speak out for marriage and life.
Report Post »lisalake
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 8:04pmAbout time — what the hellWas he waiting for???
Report Post »TumbleBumble
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 11:57pmLISALAKE ~
Pope Benedict has stood firmly in the proper position for a long time…
http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0506904.htm
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article5388920.ece
and I’ve always respected him for that.
Report Post »AB5r
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 7:56pmIt is pure evil for a Christian to NOT warn a gay that they are on the way to Hell if they don’t repent. That such a Christian is mocked, derided, abused, fired from their job, hated, etc., is just the price one pays for following Christ. Satan will get a lot of mileage out of the gay issue in the coming years.
Report Post »HawkEyeTx
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 7:28pmI not cool on my Catholic priest speaking out to his progressive political flock in these Spanish parishes.
Report Post »Too much La Raza stuff.
Applehead
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 8:03pmAmen! Don’t be pc and let them have the true word of Jesus Christ!!! Weed out all the luke warm Cafeteria Catholics and the devout Catholics are behind you!!! If they want to be pc let them leave the church!!! Whatever is left will make a stronger flock!!! God is with his Chosen People, The Holy Catholic Church!!!! WE WILL WIN!!!!!
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 8:20pmLike a Holder controlled Department of Injustice & an Obama led IRS will audit a progressive church like Holder took the Black Panthers to task for voter intimidation?
Report Post »Crankycanard
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 7:25pmYes he was a Hitler Youth as all youth in that age group were required to be. Like Obama, Hitler dictated what you would do or be whether you liked it or not. He walked away from a flak battery to disappear into the mayhem of a collapsing Germany.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 8:36pm“Following his 14th birthday in 1941, Ratzinger was conscripted into the Hitler Youth—as membership was required by law for all 14-year-old German boys after December 1939[9]—but was an unenthusiastic member who refused to attend meetings, according to his brother.[10] In 1941, one of Ratzinger’s cousins, a 14-year-old boy with Down syndrome, was taken away by the Nazi regime and killed during the Aktion T4 campaign of Nazi eugenics.[11] In 1943, while still in seminary, he was drafted into the German anti-aircraft corps as Luftwaffenhelfer.[10] Ratzinger then trained in the German infantry.[12] As the Allied front drew closer to his post in 1945, he deserted back to his family’s home in Traunstein after his unit had ceased to exist, just as American troops established their headquarters in the Ratzinger household.[13] As a German soldier, he was put in a POW camp but was released a few months later at the end of the war in the summer of 1945.[13] He reentered the seminary, along with his brother Georg, in November of that year.” wiki
Report Post »ZengaPA65
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 7:15pmPedophilia ok Gay Marraige no
Report Post »ZengaPA65
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 7:17pmOr so says the Nazi
Report Post »AB5r
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 7:23pmPedophilia is worse because it hurts children, and if it is a priest doing it, that is even worse yet as they are in a special position of trust supposedly representing God.
Report Post »AB5r
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 7:25pmNazis had many gays in top positions, also, Muhammad was a pedophile, and some Hadiths suggest he may have been gay as well. If you are looking for gays in positions of power you don’t have to look far. How much do we really know about Obama?
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 7:35pmGays entered the priesthood bent on destroying the Catholic church by engaging in pedophilia.
Report Post »The number of gays in the priesthood is higher than in the general population.
Gays never ask the orientation of the priests. They don’t want to know the answer. Ignorance is bliss.
Now gays want to destroy the military while getting paid just like they did i n the priesthood.
AB5r
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 7:53pmWalk, any normal person coming up through the ranks in the priesthood is weeded out by the gays and their fellow travelers. Same thing happens in academia. And essentially the same thing will happen in the military, one word, one joke, about gays or women or minorities and you get written up and that black mark on your record makes it impossible for you to advance. Truly sick.
Report Post »Darren
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 7:54pmZenga;
Worthless tripe.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 9:02pmAB5r
“Walk, any normal person coming up through the ranks in the priesthood is weeded out by the gays and their fellow travelers”
You’re scaring me. But I read a blog from a straight priest complaining about it a few months ago.
I also remember an article about 10 years ago that seminaries were hot house of gay activity.
I checked the number of homosexuals in the priesthood and it is very very high 33% to 75%,
That would explain the pedophilia. I know it is correlation, but many people don’t want to see if the correlation is causation, I think I know the answer why.
Report Post »stockpicker
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 6:59pmAll through the Bible we are called on to make judgements/discernments how else would we know right from wrong.
Report Post »Obama>Jesus
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 6:47pmSorry Pope, but your words mean nothing, seeing as how I don’t believe in your magical sky wizard who you claim to be all loving, yet hates gays. Must I remind you people that he was a former Hitler Youth?
Don’t like my opinions? Tell me at scott.ian2010@gmail.com and tell me.
Report Post »TEA SUCKS
Obama 2012
TRUTHandFREEDOM
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 6:57pmSocialism still sucks!
Oppression still sucks!
Scott Ian would be PISSED if he knew you were using his name to spew that rude crap.
Report Post »hargisP
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 7:45pmYou don’t have facts. All you spew is Sick demented pedophile BS.
Report Post »Chuck Stein
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 8:00pmPhishing for our email addresses, I see.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 9:33pm@ Obama > Jesus
In 1933 by executive order Hitler turned all Boy Scouts into Hitler youth. The NAZIS killed his 14 year old Down syndrome cousin. If at 14 the future Pope had refused to enter the Hitler Youth he would have been liquidated & his family too.
The NAZIS being good socialists punish the family when and individual resist like they did in the USSR, CHINA & North Korea. I personally know people from all the aforementioned countries except North Korea. If you would have been called up to be inducted into the Hitler Youth you would have went. I bet you would have joined the SA if you had been born in Germany around 1914.
Report Post »Rex Corvinus
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 10:49pmIt’s cute when the mildly-autistic — like Obama>Jesus (cute pagan handle, btw) — arrive to broadcast their arrogant banalities on a mass media platform. Watching the ignorant, esp. those with an emotional ax to grind, sputter about in a vain attempt at erudition always good for a laugh or three.
@Obama>Jesus — YAAFM.
Report Post »Obama>Jesus
Posted on September 25, 2011 at 3:19pmFirst, I would like to say that this IS my email address, the one I used to register with this site. Ask a mod, or email me, you‘ll see it’s true. I’ve already received several messages from people asking me to explain my position.
And Rex, thank you for the compliment on my handle. Honestly, I’d prefer to change it, but this one makes too many people mad; it’s quite fun to watch. Now as for the autism card, it’s, in your own words, “cute” how you have to use an insult, targeting a group of people who cannot defend themselves. Additionally, you do not know me; what if I did have autism, and was struggling with living a productive life?
Report Post »webpreacher
Posted on September 26, 2011 at 5:25pmScott, I will take it to mean, by your user-name “(Obama>Jesus)”, that it is your position the Barak Obama is greater than Jesus. Well I have to ask, how would you know, you’ve never meet Jesus?
Not only that but Jesus has had the greatest impact on the Whole world than any other in History ! Tell us all here Scotty, what impact has Obama had, other than utter chaos, lies, deceptions, corruption, and destruction here in our Country ? Go ahead Scotty explain to us all your thinking, and please, back it up with fact !
Report Post »HD Veteran
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 6:36pmThe Pope has done a better job than the common American at speaking against the Gay Agenda.
Report Post »beaubird
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 6:30pmWhy do they say gay is not ok, all the fathers are!!!!!!!!!!!! Just a front !!! Give me a break, Wo cares what the pope says anyway , he is not god but catholics thinks he is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ignorant people,Homosexual will not go to hell because they have had to live in hell on earth just from people like all religions that say that! This would be a boring world if everybody was all alike wouldnt it. You bible thumpers think if yu are not like them you cannot live !!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry but this earth is everybodies not just yours, sorry, man wrote bible not god so man can say anything he wants and if that be the case. Why did they leave out so many books , only the ones they wanted in . Read once in a while yu might learn something!!!!!!!!!
Report Post »AB5r
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 6:38pmLet us know what you think in a hundred years.
Report Post »TRUTHandFREEDOM
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 6:42pmThat is a highly unitelligent post! What IF we were all like YOU? THAT would be a tragedy in my opinion. … and “who cares about what the Pope says?”. I do. Who cares what YOU say? There is no weight. No guidance. No Wisdom. CLEARLY no Christianity there. You carry a hatred and spew it. You place blame for the crimes of a number upon the whole. You have fallen. Pick yourself up!
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 6:59pmBeaubird is not a bible THUMPER. He is a “URANUS THUMPER”.
URANUS was written by Karl Heinrich Ulrichs. He was the 1st gay man to come out. At age 14 his riding instructed molested him. Voila, Karl becomes gay.
Christians, Jews & Muslims come in all colors & nationalities. When I visited one of the ancient churches of Jerusalem people were of all different nationalities. No we are not boring. We are very diverse.
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 7:12pm@beaubird… You are correct to say that the world does not belong to us Chistians…for God tells us to be in the world,not of the world. It is my understanding that God turned the earth over to Satan. He roams to and fro on the earth, seeking about whom he may destroy. The Bible is a book written by about 40 people all from different walks of life. It took about 2200 yrs and about 40 people wrote it, under the direction of the Holy Spirit, its author being God. The Bible is the living Word of God. God gives us a choice as to whether or not to believe. I have always believed although it took a long time for me to realize that we must live in obedience to God. I had always belived in God and His Son Jesus (Yashuah) but I only read his Word at different times in my life, and I lived my life in the flesh..doing what I wanted to do. Now I live my life in obedience to Him. It takes study to do this and having a personal relationship with Him (much prayer and taliking to Him with great faith and respect) He is here and He knows all that we do. There is nothing that can compare to His love. I could not live not knowing Him. He is the love of my life. I hope you meet Him someday. It can never come soon enough.
Report Post »Chuck Stein
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 8:13pm@ walkabout
Report Post »Molestation is a very common road to homosexuality. The boy is victimized, feels worthless, and despairs. He sinks into the depravity. Sometimes, newly created homosexual victimizes others. Other homosexuals cannot live with the guilt and commit suicide. There is a big movement today to stop the guilt of engaging in a practice that is inherently demeaning and destructive of dignity and self-worth. Thus, they attempt to call evil good. I have a different idea: molestors should be put away for the duration of their lives. After the “hard time”, they could be put in “halfway communities” — enclaves in the desert or great plains that would be double-fenced with guard towers. That would protect more children from becoming victims — and the victims would know that they are safe.
barber2
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 6:25pmJudging others is above my job description. But I do remember studying the Fall of the Roman Empire which always attributed homosexuality as a sign of that degenerating and failing society. Hmmmm.
Report Post »barber2
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 6:18pmThink I know what Maureen Dowd and the New York Times will be screaming about tomorrow! Ouch, Pope, you are so in for a trouncing , Gosh, it is so not “politically correct” to criticize gay marriage and to be a dumb religious person in Lefty America. Like really. Like I can’t believe you. Like you are so old fashioned…
Report Post »Crankycanard
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 6:13pmThe damage to the faith also comes from clergy and not just the homosexuals that want to make the church (any Christian church) their happy hunting grounds, but from the foolish Priests and Pastors that think the church needs to follow the communist manifesto over the Liturgy.
Report Post »mr.goodvibe
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 10:29pmTrue, Impure men destroy the religion and lessen the faith of the parishoners.
Report Post »georgiavietvet
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 6:10pmim not catholic, but good for the pope. its about time a big name person spoke out against the gay agenda. it seems like most everyone else is afraid of being called a homophobe. in my humble opinion, “gay” is an abomination and a sin against GOD…………………………………
Report Post »Furious
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 7:36pmyes I to am so tired of people catering to the gays! if you say they“re wrong in they”re sin, then your a mean hater! bull crap! But then again people with mental illness dont always see things clearly!
Report Post »major11
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 6:06pmI don’t always agree with the Pope. However, on this one he is totally correct. Even the Founding Fathers would agree with him. Look it up. Therefore, Founding Fathers win and liberals lose!
Report Post »Obama>Jesus
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 6:50pmYou people act like the Founding Fathers were all in cohesion and agreed on everything. Excuse me, but didn’t some of them kill others in duels because of their disagreements?
Don’t like my facts? Tell me at scott.ian2010@gmail.com and tell me.
Report Post »TEA SUCKS
Obama 2012
AB5r
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 5:50pmThe Pope is failing on the topic of Islam. He quickly backed down and became a dhimmi after that one speech he gave mentioning the 14th century view of Islam (they knew then it was evil) and this week he met with Muslims in Germany and welcomed the spread of “religion” in Germany. EPIC FAIL! When THE FREAKING POPE fails on the topic of Islam you know the West is LOST lost lost. Too bad, what a shame, oh well, la de da.
Report Post »jakartaman
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 5:50pmI too am not a catholic, but it really grieves me that a good part of the world wants to destroy the beautiful miracle of Christ. Christ is love and yet they hate. Even in the USA a lot Christians have lost their way and are actually fighting religion for the sake of political correctness.
Report Post »If you are ashamed of me , I will be ashamed of you” This is was and always will be a country founded on Jewish/Christian values and tenets
CougarNick78
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 6:01pmThey that deny before men, so shall I deny before The Father. Yet, those that procclaim me before men, so shall I procclaim to My Father…..
Sounds about right. I am not Catholic, but I do back my Catholic Christian brothers and sisters. Nice to see a fairly plain speaking Pope for a change.
Report Post »angelcat
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 5:44pmWhat is pleasing to God and what is against His law cannot be changed to make sure no one has hurt feelings and to make sure everyone can feel they are exactly like everyone else. Notice the Pope does NOT say that gays should be hated or abused or considered lesser human beings in any way. It is only the ACT of homosexuality that is considered a sin.
Report Post »survivorseed
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 5:56pmSo being gay is a sin but being a pedophile is normal for catholics and you wonder why people turn their backs on religion.
Report Post »qpwillie
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 6:23pmsurvivorseed,
What does that have to do with people turning their backs on religion? Catholicism is one sect of one religion.
I don‘t believe there even should be a Pope and I can show Biblical evidence that Peter wasn’t the apostle to the gentiles. However, the Pope never said anything like being a pedophile is normal.
I agree with him on this issue.
Report Post »freedentstheone
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 6:42pm@ survivorseed oddly enough the pedophiles you mention are, in fact, gay. So yeah, it’s all wrong from start to finish. Especially when those who violate vows of celibacy taken before God do so in the name of masquerading as a man of the cloth in order to get at children easier. Logic puts that whole “it must be the religion’s fault” argument down quickly if you utilize it, I pray that you find yours.
Pedophilia has never been an acceptable practice of the clergy (or fornication of any form for that matter), the stupidity of the head(s) of the Church came about by not admonishing/excommunicating those responsible immediately after their discovery.
The bottom line is:
There are A LOT of things you can do with those bits of the human anatomy responsible for reproduction that may or may not “feel good”, but the ONLY thing they are actually made for is the complementary use between a man and a woman to make another human being. Therein lies the sin, in the abuse of your own body in the name of satisfying some psychological need for endorphin release. It isn’t simply relegated to homosexuals, it goes for all abuses of the physical form we inhabit that further diminishes our spiritual selves and severs our ties to our Creator.
Does that mean all forms of sexual expression without intent of reproduction are a sin? No, but if it involves knowingly bypassing Biology for the sake of Psychological desire(s) then its a good indication that something is indeed, not Ko
Report Post »angelcat
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 10:39pmpedophlia is also a sin. CAtholics have NEVER said that Catholics, even clergy, don’t commit sins. The commisssion of one kind of sin doesn’t excuse the commission of another, though. Every religion has as its members as human, humans who commit sins. The fact that this occurs is not a reason to reject religion. It is a reason to believe that human by nature are prone to sin and need help in TRYING to overcome it. Unfortunately, everyone doesn‘t overcom it every time and overcoming it isn’t necessarily easy, comfortable, or popular. No one says it will be easy or pleasant for homosexuals not to be sexually active. It takes great self-control, just like it takes self-control to control other sins.
Report Post »Darren
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 11:14pmsurvivor;
“So being gay is a sin but being a pedophile is normal for catholics and you wonder why people turn their backs on religion.”
There are times when I’m simply stupified about the accusations others come up with about the Pope and Catholicism. You definitely fit the mold of stupidfication.
Report Post »Jenny Lind
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 5:38pmI am not a catholic, but I agree with him. He is in agreement with our church leaders on family and faith. I am glad that the Christian world is joining together to reaffirm the truely important principles of Christ. Before anyone gets nuts on the gay issue, work with, and have them in my family. Taught from very early on the way Christ handled things of this nature. He loved the sinners, and rebuked the sin. Not my place to judge another heart, mine is to love my fellow men. Tough law sometimes, huh?
Report Post »Donttredonme
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 5:46pmChrist said nothing about gays..
Report Post »avenger
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 5:46pmhomosexuality/lesbianism is contratry to natural law. marriage is between man& a woman.the purpose of any species is procreation and improving said species.so tell me how homosexuals&lesbians accomplish this simple task that is part of life in nature ?
Report Post »geonj
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 5:55pm@donttreadonme
Report Post »God didn’t say anything about nazis either.
Conservative New Yorker
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 6:01pmJenny- I love your posts. Honest, articulate and heartfelt.
I agree with you- I don’t judge another person- that is up to God. And that is what my church and pastor teaches and advocates. Love thy neighbor.
Report Post »mils
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 6:02pmI do not understand how anything/company//institution can exist with so many rotten apples as leaders. so hidden, so devious. yet they try to dictate how to live your life..
.please no excuses, they are old and worn out.
Religion should make people feel good , not want to hide or cause friction. quote all the bible you want to, it will fall on deaf ears here. I believe we must live our life in a lawful, courteous, giving way because that is what you chose to do , not because someone with a funny hat told you what to do.
if you accept gays, that is your decision, not someone else’s decision. what you do and how you feel are between you and God. No one speaks “for” God…
Report Post »spyderpopp
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 6:05pmDontTredOnMe, Christ spoke about marriage and reaffirmed God’s design that it be between one man and one woman. He is the authority and that is enough for me.
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Posted on September 24, 2011 at 6:29pmDONTTRED – I’ve heard that before. Jesus told his disciples He would send His Holy Spirit after He left to tell them what to write for His followers to obey in addition to what He said while He was here. That was recorded in the books of the New Testament starting with Acts.
*”For this is the will of God..that you should abstain from sexual immorality*…he who rejects this does not reject man, but God who has also given us His Holy Spirit.” 1 Thessalonians 4:3, 8
“… Be not deceived: neither fornicators*….nor effeminate** nor abusers of themselves with mankind (sodomite)***…shall inherit the kingdom of God.” 1 Corinthians 6:9
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*sexual relations w/ opposite sex w/o marriage; **catamite=”male who is in a sexual relationship w/another male (has female characteristics and/or desires); ***sodomite=practices sodomy=unnatural sex acts (oral, anal)
mils
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 6:48pmfrankly my dear, i don‘t believe it’s any of your business where anyone sticks their private parts…
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on September 24, 2011 at 7:27pm@ Donttredonme
No but more than 1 apostle did.
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Posted on September 24, 2011 at 8:51pm@ mils
“I do not understand how anything/company//institution can exist with so many rotten apples as leaders.”
“It has been estimated that at least 33 per cent of all priests in the RC Church in the United States are homosexual.”[3] -wiki
I see the cause of the problem now!
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Posted on September 24, 2011 at 8:57pm@ mils
“frankly my dear, i don‘t believe it’s any of your business where anyone sticks their private parts…”
If there is a chance that I would have to get a battlefield transfusion from another solider & he is gay, then it becomes my concern where he stuck his privates. The current CDC stats show that gays still make up a majority of AIDS cases & that their share of new HIV infections is actually increasing.
Plus the antics of the gay community meant that the DOD has the added cost of testing everyone for AIDS. Thank you as if the DOD didn’t have more important things to spend money on.
I can remember in the mid to late 80s gays talking about joining the military so their bills would get paid for when the contracted AIDS.
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Posted on September 24, 2011 at 10:30pmDONTTREADONME.. 1 Cor. 6:9 reads who will not enter the kingdom of heaven. Adulterers, fornicators,homosexuals, drunkards, revilers, idolators, and thieves. It reads that some of us were these, but we repented, (turned away from) and no longer were these things. For we have all become a new creation in Christ. To live in Christ. we have to die to ourselves and rise anew in Christ. So the old person of the flesh is dead. For the road to heaven is narrow, many will not find it… but the road to hell is wide and from my understanding of hell…there is no communication with anyone at all. just total aloneness for eternity…it’s not just one big party with all of our friends.
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