Popular Alternative Pop Band Breaks Up Over…Theological Differences
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Though they never considered themselves a Christian band, divisions in members’ faith reportedly led to the recent break up of Platinum-selling pop band Paramore.
“We were all growing further apart,” musicians Josh and Zac Farro wrote last week after deciding to leave the group. “Suddenly the band had split into two sides.”
The “sides” the Farro brothers write about were divided by the religious views of some of the Tennessee-based band’s members.
The band’s music and lyrics resonated with young Christians, creating a significant fan base that has been shaken by the brothers’ decision to leave. Christianity Today reports:
“Our faith is very important to us,” Josh Farro told the BBC in 2008. “It’s obviously going to come out in our music because if someone believes something then their worldview is going to come out in anything they do. But we’re not out here to preach to kids, we’re out here because we love music.”
In 2007, lead singer Hayley Williams agonized in a LiveJournal post about lyrics she wrote which she said used God’s name “in vain.”
“I’m ashamed to say that, although I’m a believer in Jesus Christ and I claim him as my God, when I wrote those lyrics I wasn’t addressing him,” Williams wrote. “I might have led some of y’all to believe that I take my saviour lightly, and I don’t.”
But the Farro brothers say that when they sat down to put together their most recent album, Brand New Eyes, Williams had changed.
“Hayley presented lyrics to us that were really negative and we didn’t agree with. For example, ‘the truth never set me free,’ which contradicts what the Bible says in John 8:32.” (”Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”)
“The truth never set me free / so I did it myself,“ Williams sings in the Brand New Eyes song ”Careful.”
The brothers Farro also quoted Amos 3:3 from the New Living Translation: “Can two people walk together without agreeing on the direction?”
To see the official video of the song “Careful,” click the image:
This video tracks the lyrics to “Careful”:
Over the last year, however, the brothers claimed that deepening divisions forced them to “roll over” and let the band go. “We fought her about how her lyrics misrepresented our band and what we stood for, but in the end she got her way,” they wrote.
The remaining band members posted an online message for their fans, assuring them there were no hard feelings:
“A couple of months ago, Josh and Zac let us know they would be leaving the band after our show in Orlando last Sunday. None of us were really shocked. For the last year it hasn’t seemed as if they wanted to be around anymore. We want Josh and Zac to do something that makes them happy and if that isn’t here with us, then we support them finding happiness elsewhere. But we never for a second thought about leaving any of this behind.” The post also stated that the remaining members had no intention of disbanding.
They also added “As we look back, and now as we look with excitement to the future, in all of this what truly matters are the good times. The pictures of us with our arms around each other, the long van rides, your faces while you sing along as we play. Thank you for getting us right here to this very moment. We look forward to our best times. And we hope you will go there with us.”
“What started as natural somehow morphed into a manufactured product of a major label, riding on the coattails of ‘Hayley’s dream,’” the brothers fired back last week, adding they were still looking to work out “a friendly way to leave our part of Paramore intact with the remaining band members, including Hayley.”
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Comments (152)
polis
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 2:34amNever heard of them. I wouldn’t listen to any band where the men look so sissified. Ditch the lip gloss dude, grow up and be a man.
Report Post »freightliner1160
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 3:07amNevre take advice from some one who uses the word “dude”.
Report Post »Just my advice.
alshere
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 2:32amKorea is close to war, Obamadenijad is running the government like his private lollipop,Snow is butt deep on the east coast, snow falling in places that it never snows and we have to read about a rock group who is divided in its faith! Vome On I mean Really gang!
Report Post »SLEUTH
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:30amthats true ALSHERE except if you are concerned about world affair; why would you be reading this article?
Report Post »Diana
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 2:09amThe music industry finally got to her, aka satan. He was there working on her from the beginning, the second they signed to a major label, slowly convincing her to disparage her savior, as it only takes one. He got her to crossover, figuratively and literally. He guided her to do a hip hop track with BoB (lyrics: I could rally use a dream or a genie or a wish…) (no mention of God or an angel or a prayer) as her crossover from pop rock to the mainstream pop hip hop, while really what she was doing was selling her soul to the devil. She is now a puppet, a messenger for the illuminati, and will now work to spread satan’s message and help him achieve his goal.
Report Post »So sad how the industry gets ahold of young souls like this and chews them up for their pleasure then spits them out when they are no longer relevant or effective. Now she joins the likes of britney spears, miley cyrus, beyonce and kanye west.
These are the ones that need the most prayer, and we must not judge but pray, pray that they come back to the light as there is no glory or mercy in the darkness.
spikebu
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 2:40amThere is NOTHING and NO One who can take you from My hand. We can wander and stray, but He is faithful.
Report Post »Seanseansean
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 3:32amYour comment is absolutely retarded! You so obviously know absolutely nothing about music or the “music industry”, I have no idea why you would even bother writing anything? How does signing to a “major label” have anything to do with God, Satan, or religion in any way? That makes as much sense as saying taking a job at walmart is satans way of infiltrating your faith…
I don’t understand why Christians insist on living inside a bubble and thinking that anything outside of their bubble is Satanic… That’s just ridiculous. It’s always funny to me how Christians just love to worry about other Christians faith and judging what others are doing… Instead of just being concerned with their own faith.
And just for credibility sake.. I’m a major label musician who has been signed to multiple labels… Christian as well as secular… I’ve even toured with the band in question… What’s funny to me, the most non-Christian business practices came from the so-called Christian labels… Go figure. Maybe that was just Satan trying to test me by signing to a Christian label…. Hmmm.
Report Post »heavyduty
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 1:54amI love to listen to all the people out there that hate this band or hate this music. Because if it wasn’t for those bands and that music, there would be no music. All of it started from Gospel and religious music. They just changed some of the chords, lyrics and beat a little at a time. But since I don’t listen to any of the rock bands since they started playing the music louder than the words. It’s all mute anyway.
Report Post »devan95
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 1:40amWhen I was a young man growing up in the 50‘s and 60’s, the women in our lives were the moral standard bearers. They insisted on going to church, railed against cursing and all sorts of bad and/or lewd behavior, and they were the ones who said “no!” when things got a little to hot n bothered. Sad to say, things have done a complete 180% turn and, as this band’s experience seems to demonstrate, the men have become the moral standard bearers and women are content – in fact they insist upon – being sluts and “ho’s.”
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 7:22amDespite the old adage that women civilize men it is actually the reverse. What you were actually describing was the last vestige of a religious culture. The women are naturally last to give up their faith. They are naturally more religious that way. But they can’t make the men more religious. After a while even the women leave the church to follow the men who have gone. The men will have to lead the way back.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 1:47pm@Islesfordian
Well spoken, that is exactly correct.
Report Post »devan95
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 1:34amI believe, as the Bible says, that homosexuality is a sin. But then I am called a “homophobe.” The same book of the Bible states that incest is also a sin and I agree with that. So does that make me a incestophobe? Point is, the wacko 20% far left loonies are not going to tell me what or how to believe & I am glad to see there are so many that feel the same way. THE way!
Report Post »wodiej
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 11:51amThen bible also states a disobedient son should be stoned. Do you believe in that too? Can’t eat meat on Friday or have a beard/long hair either. Gay people don’t molest little kids-straight men do.
Report Post »Sparky101
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:30pmWodiej, since Christians are living under a new covenant, most of what you dredge up has no bearing. Where in the Bible does it say I can’t eat meat on Friday?
Report Post »Just Dave
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 11:22pmWodiej, The Bible says (Deut. 21:18-21) that if a son rebels against his parents and does not stop then he shall be taken to the elders and stoned to death.
Duet. 21:18-21 “If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they discipline him, will not listen to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, and they shall say to the elders of his city, ‘This our son is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.’ Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones. So you shall purge the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear, and fear.”
How often do you think this happened?
Report Post »Lion420
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 1:26amZZZzzz
Report Post »Janis 7
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 1:24amWith maturity comes the realization that there are things more meaningful than just “having fun”.
Report Post »The decision that Josh and Zac made reflects great maturity. I would like to know them.
walkwithme1966
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 1:21amEveryone seems to fight over religion – so sad! http://maboulette.wordpress.com
Report Post »Psychosis
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 4:16amreligion has little to do with this. its called conviction
if more people were less wishy washy and stood for their convictions the world would be a better place.
the boys decided that their convictions held merit, and made a stand
good for them
Report Post »Cherished Emblems
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 1:07amMore people need to stand up for what they believe in. Even if it is unpopular, or will make them less money.
Report Post »Chalon Hutson
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 1:03amIt’s about time. She’s been Christian for a while now.
Report Post »ussmalik
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 1:02amI can imagine I’d break a band up in about two seconds.
Report Post »[Making room in an elevator: "Do you know Jesus my friend?"]
heferwiz57
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 12:42amLet’s see…hmmmm. Christian alternative music. Alternative to what? Christian words to satanic rock music does not make it christian…it makes it entertainment. So sad but so common, what we used to call, “Pigs in the Parlor”.
Report Post »82dAirborne
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 12:58am“….satanic music….?” How can music be evil? Words sure but music?
Report Post »heferwiz57
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 11:05amChristian rock music is an oxymoron. The term rock and roll was first coined by a Cleveland disk jockey back in the 50′s…it had to do with what a boy and girl do in the backseat of her father’s Chevy.
Report Post »Music and lyrics have a certain relationship and they do compliment each other when done correctly. The lyrics are the car and the music is the one driving the car.
So here is the challenge; sing praises to God using head banging alternative christian rock music…doesnt work does it.
82dAirborne
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 12:38amI think that it’s great that some of these younger folks are standing up for what they believe in. I agree the music is silly at best but that isn’t the point. A lot, if not most, bands would put profit ahead of beliefs.
Report Post »Hugh_Akston
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 12:38amThey are so good….I’d never even heard of them!
Report Post »Highland
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 8:40amI hadn’t heard of them, either, but being an old fogey, I’m not very familiar with the current crop of so-called Christian bands. I think I’ll put a Keith Green LP on the turntable …
Report Post »robx
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 12:37amWell, The Beatles broke up over Satan’s step-sister. John Lennon was dead inside way before anyone shot him!
Report Post »neverending
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 12:36amWe are not to judge as there is only one judge and HE is the ultimate judge, however, this sounds like anything but Christian music and her performance is anything but Christ like. How sad that there is such deterioration and of course it all makes satan very proud because it falls into his plan. Just another sign of how far the bar has been lowered as far as modesty, morals and actions!!! Not much difference between her/them and michael jackson or any one of them. I am happy to see them fail!!!
Report Post »joseph Fawcett
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 12:34amI admire the brothers for standing up for what they believe, for their courage of conviction in God, Jesus the Christ. This is a great example to young Christians how to deal with situations they may find themselves in in the future with friends that don‘t believe or don’t have the conviction of true faith.
If the lead singer never found freedom through the truth then she did not fine the truth but a lie masked as the truth. The truth will set you free, my life is an demostration of that fact. May God work things out for the brothers and may they glorify God through this and may glorify Himself through them!
http://www.josephfawcettart.com western artist
Report Post »commonsenseguy
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 12:33amanother lost soul to progressive propaganda, me me me me me me ———it’s me and only me.
Report Post »what a shame. god well not be happy whit her for praising his name in vain, wow i am glade i am not standing next to her!!!!!!
CaptainSpaulding
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 12:31amARGH!
This band sucks!
How in the **** did they go platinum?
Report Post »cykonas
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 7:12amSame way Barack Obama got elected. Good packaging trumps lack of, or lousy substance in America today. Look at the age demographic of BO voters from ‘08.
Report Post »Andrew the infidel
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 8:44amWhy should anyone even care?? These guys are just like Creed, they go Christian to get the money, then switch. It is very easy to go platinum in the Christian scene, huge built in fan base, that’s why they do it.
Report Post »Psytoxic
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:29amI thought it was because she’s hot.
Report Post »rwing
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 12:27amWho cares. It’s not like they are The Beatles.
Report Post »aeronut44
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 1:06amI know they are not the beatles….the beatles had Mr Martin to do all the work for them to make their music sound decent…No Martin as producer, no beatles…too bad he helped them
Report Post »I am a musician and I HATE THE BEATLES. Never understand them at all.
JGP
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 8:59amAs someone who thought that the Beatles were pretty cool in my youth, now I believe they where/are over rated. I‘m not saying there weren’t talented or significant, but over rated.
Report Post »@leftfighter
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:07amYou’re right. They’re not the Beatles.
They didn’t break up over “We’re bigger than Jesus.”
Personally I love the Beatles, but none of the Beatles ever claimed to be great Christians (to my knowledge). Rather, they all fell into drugs, then eastern mysticism, etc. The Beatles are what they were.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:44amI NEVER liked the Beatles. Parts of their music I like but overall I have always found them depressing. I guess, even in my pre-Christian youth I found hedonism preferable to cynicism. People who thought partying and getting high was the best thing in the world were stupid, sure, but still fun to hang around. People like the Beatles who got high so that they could think they were smarter than everyone were just boring pretensious jerks. Now that I‘m a Christian I REALLY don’t like them.
Report Post »Lee Butchee
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 5:42pm@aeronut44
Ok, um… you’re a moron.
Now on to my comment:
Comparing Paramore to The Beatles is like comparing fecal material to diamonds. The Beatles are what all bands should aspire to be. Unfortunately these days, too many “musicians” are 100% ignorant of what real talent is and are relying on an eye candy singer (Paramore or Avenged Sevenfold) or some idiotic gimmick (Slipknot or Marilyn Manson).
Having seen bands in concert these days and watching them being forced to rely on computers to carry most of their sound while they provide the most rudimentary amount of vocals and guitar and then watching The Beatles on film accomplishing a complete sound with the barest of production leads me to the conclusion that rock ‘n’ roll is dead. What we see these days is more or less rehash of days gone by when actual musical talent was in abundance, not manufactured on American Idol.
Report Post »Sparky101
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 8:32pmAreonut44, Lee Butchee made a foolish mistake, you are not a (whatever he said). Thanks for sharing your opinion with us.
Report Post »Smokey_Bojangles
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 12:25amShame.Same thing kind of happened to No Doubt.
Report Post »Better_Red_than_Dead
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 12:22amReally? Breaking up over “the truth never set me free”?
No wonder pop-rock is terrible.
Report Post »eteme
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 1:31amIndeed! It is the truth that sets one free, when one wants to believe in the truth itself he/she must have it in their heart they can hold truth and wisdom to be self evident. Truth is mutual to Heart and Mind…
When one thinks they know the truth and still have doubt in their hearts the truth will fade only to reveal chains that bind them to the doubt and not the truth itself…
God (I feel) sets out to search those Hearts and Minds..Do you think God doesn’t know his way around his Temples?
Report Post »Veritas
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 2:25amJust what I was thinking!
Report Post »Nutthuggers
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 10:48amSince when do people actually pay attention to lyrics anyway….
Report Post »Nutthuggers
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 10:51amShe is kind of sexy…I am having some non-Christian thoughts in my head. Excuse me while I go flog myself and repent.
Islesfordian
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 10:57amPeople who THINK do.
Report Post »stephenb.net
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 12:01pmIt is a matter of faith in action. As a professional entertainer and a devoted Christian one must continually check that their content is glorifying Christ and not self. When the desire for money fame and success outweighs the desire to use the gifts He gave for our own purposes we dishonor the purpose for the gift. God does not give us gifts to glorify ourselves.
These two young men did the right thing and this woman has just sung a song that denies her faith and challenges God. The truth didn’t set me free, I did? Woah, this young lady has a lot to learn.
Report Post »Multiple Arms
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 12:21am“Everyone knows all the best bands are affiliated with Satan.” – Bart Simpson
Report Post »Cobra Blue
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 12:42amSo…
Report Post »Joseph28
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 1:48amthink he was just telling a joke
Report Post »spikebu
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 2:24amMy kids all love this band. I am disappointed. I know my daughter will be, too. For a Christian to say “the truth never set me free”, is like a Darwinist saying “there is no missing link”. Jesus IS The Truth. He did set us free. She denied Christ many, many times in this. I totally get the boy’s decision to leave.
Report Post »quiet little lamb
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 4:01amit’s funny. i know these people and they are about as fake as you can get. They went Christian for $$$. go to any bar in the nashville area and ask for stories on paramore
MR_ANDERSON
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 7:56amJoseph28,
Cobra Blue can not think logically, I doubt he can even laugh at a joke either.
Report Post »TXPilot
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 8:50amI have to admit, it’s nice to see a couple of people who are willing to actually backup what they believe, by their actions. There are too few examples these days of people actually doing what’s right, despite the cost that may be incurred.
Report Post »tower7femacamp
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 8:50amSatan vs Lucifer
Report Post »http://the-red-thread.net/lucifer.html
most confuse them as being the same
Major Infidel
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 8:55amWho?
Report Post »Mad Az Hell
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:07am“He gave His life for us, to give His life to us, so that He could live His life through us.” Bob George. The gospel in a nut shell.
Report Post »MitchRappInCharge
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:08am@Tower7FemaCamp I don’t know where you get your information, but I know you didn’t get that from the bible. That’s just a bunch of mularky you wrote there.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:35amWhen people start to use terms like Geat Spirit Creator as a title rather than “God” and then take two names for the same individual and claim it to represent two separate entities, you know you are dealing with a fringe nutjob who likes to see hidden information in the cracks of the sidewalk.
Report Post »BoiseBaked
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 11:10amAnother “here today, gone tomorrow” band. There is nothing special here. I’m so sick and tire of the screaming over a “wall of sound” crap. It makes my ears ring just thinking about.
Report Post »CaptainAwesome
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 11:42amTower7Femacamp : I’m sorry to inform you but there is no character with the name Lucifer in the bible. Unless you are referring to the mistranslated King James Version of Isaiah that has been corrected in all modern translations to tell the story as it is written in hebrew concerning a babalonian king, not a creature of light or lucifer.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 1:02pmtower7femacamp is actually refering to two passages, Is. 14 and Ez. 28 in which language about a king of Babylon and Tyre becomes inflated so that their falls are described like the fall of Satan. Whthere this is mere poetic hyperbole OR prophetic transposition, like Jesus did when he called Peter “Satan”, is a matter of interpretation.
Intyerestingly, before Jerome translated “haylel” into Latin as Lucifer, literally “light-bearer”, this name was a good one to have. There was a Saint Lucifer in the 4th century who was an older contemporary of Jerome. Lucifer was staunchly orthodox, a defender of the Nicene faith, but a little unforgiving of heretics who repented. His refusal to support Meletius as bishop because Meletius had supported the Arian cause led to continuing political trouble in the church. Jerome might have chosen his name for the Biblical translation as a dig at the now deceased Lucifer.
Report Post »Libertyluvnmomma
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 1:49pmMITCHRAPPINCHARGE-
Report Post »Rather than say tower7femacamp is saying a bunch of “malarky” use factual statements with references. Christians especially need to wake up. Because you read something you don‘t like doesn’t make it untrue. When Jesus was rejected from his home town he spoke at the temple, read out of Isaiah and then told the people that even the Jews suffered from leprosy but only Namen -the Syrian was healed. They wanted to kill Jesus right then.
I have been a Christian all my life. But I’ll be the first to say Tower7femacamps words could well be right since revelations makes little sense to me.
Yet I believe it {revelations}.
CaptainAwesome
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 2:00pmHe wasn’t speaking of a prophecy and the mistake in king james version that he is passing off as truth is widely accepted as a mistake. If indeed you pick up any bible and go to the verses in question, the title will actually be: “Fall of a babylonian king”. The king james version was the most error filled text but thanks to original texts we can discover these mistakes and have the real truth revealed.
Report Post »Sparky101
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 3:53pmTo the best of my knowledge, the King James Version is not rife with errors, and of those that do exist, none are of true concern. Most are noted in current prints of the KJV. In Isaiah 14:12, a word used in the Latin Vulgate, “Lucifer” was used. That word was translated into Latin from Hebrew, and it essentially has to do with light. Other than the King James, more current translations have used such words as “morning star” (NIV), “Day Star, son of Dawn” (NRV). Interestingly, the Living Bible continues to use Lucifer here. But that’s about it, only once used in the Bible. Most do consider Lucifer as Satan due to the use of Lucifer in stories like Dante’s Inferno and other works in the mainstream of his time. However, as stated by another post, the use of Lucifer in Isaiah in the Vulgate and the KJV, is referring to a ruler who will or had already fallen, a king of Babylon, and not Satan or the Devil. If you try to find out about Lucifer in the Bible, you will be hard pressed.
Libertyluvinmama, don’t give up on the book of Revelation. Read it slowly, in the Spirit. Consider that it is a prophesy and it does have some symbolic language like many headed beasts, but between your reading of Revelation and also the Book of Daniel, you will come away with a clearer understanding than you now give yourself credit for.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 6:18pmIt doesn’t matter what he said, whether he called it prophecy or not. We know what passages he was thinking of and scholars are NOT united that there is no prophetic element to them The KJV was certainly not in error translating it as Lucifer, since, according to Jerome, that is an established translation.. Whetehr Lucifer means Satan is another question, but some scholars have seen the passages as jumping off the original target and becoming expansive in a prophetic way about the archetype of all rebel tyrants.
What’s your problem with that?
Report Post »CaptainAwesome
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 7:05pmyou must be mormons as the passages in isaiah have direct contradictions with the mormon faith…. or you have really really old bible’s. The usage of Lucifer was indeed used in KJV by Jerome and has been corrected to refer to a babylonian king and not some celestial events taking place prior to the creation of the garden of eden and it was in no way a description of Satan’s fall from heavean which is the exact reason why the correction was made.. Even the most ardent defender of such an idea fails to prove that claim. All bibles sold today have this correction: Even as a layman on the subject I can point out some of the serious problems. How is it isaiah describes lucifer as being covered in worms and mocked by men. Why is lucifer punished for saying ‘i will ascend into heaven’ if, indeed, he was already there? And for the individual that disagrees with KJV not being very accurate. All scholars in the theological realm agree that the kjv, altho, well intentioned is the most error filled translations because the scholars authorized by King James I to translate the Bible into current English did not use the original Hebrew texts, but used versions translated, largely by, St. Jerome in the fourth century. Jerome had mistranslated the Hebraic metaphor, “Day star, son of the Dawn,“ as ”Lucifer,” and over the centuries a metamorphosis took place. Lucifer the morning star became a disobedient angel, cast out of heaven to rule eternally in hell. Theologians, writers, and poets interwove the myth with the doctrine of the Fall, and in Christian tradition Lucifer is now the same as Satan, the Devil, and — ironically — the Prince of Darkness. That explains the misuse of that verse…to examine the proper use I would point you to a current NIV or so and read about the fall of a babylonian king.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 7:49pmYou must be really hung up on the Isaih passage. Did you look at the Ezekiel? Language is used there that is clearly overboard, calling the king of Tyre a gaurdian cherub in the Garden. Now maybe I didn’t make clear, but I hold that these passages are both about known kings, but that doesn’t preclude them also making a transistion where they begin to talk THROUGH the earthly kings to address the archetype. This is not unknown in Hebrew prophecy. When Jesus says to Peter, “Get behind me Satan” he is addressing both Peter but also Satan himself who is speaking through Peter. There is no reason why the same thing is not possible in Ezekiel and perhaps in Isaiah. It isn’t necesarily so, but it is a possibility.
Unless you have a word of God that says otherwise, sealed with a miracluous sign like parting the seas or something, you’re going to have to allow some latitude in interpretation.
Report Post »Sparky101
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 8:17pmCaptainawesome, you say ” All bibles sold today have this correction,,,” and that is not true. As I pointed out, at least one version other than the KJV, the Living Bible, continues to use Lucifer.” That is simply a fact, not an argument.
In the Nevi’im section of the Tanakh that I have (second edition NJPS) the word in question is also translated as “O Shiing One, son of Dawn!” and this section is more like a poem of mock lament concerning Israel’s opressor.
My preferred New Testament translation is the NIV, although there are many other translations that are good.
Now as to the KJV being rife with errors, it is not. There are some mistranslations and one “on-purpose” injection of other than a divine word (trying to make the Trinity obvious), but none are considered theological “show stoppers.” If you know different, please be more specific.
Oh, and I’m not a Mormon but I know and love many.
Report Post »TruthTalker
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 12:20amglad to be rid of them
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Posted on December 28, 2010 at 12:27amunderstand
Report Post »Chist, or dont, your decision.
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Posted on December 28, 2010 at 12:46pmAnother U-2 sell out. I can’t wait for them to sing “Sympathy for the Devil” also.
Report Post »shanaleyann
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 1:23pmThis is really sad that they broke up, Its just words, Its just lyrics, and it’s just songs. She should say what she believes and if others can‘t accept that then they don’t have to listen. Its that simple :)
Report Post »sdd1262
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 1:54pmAs a Christian and as a musician, I can’t understand why people think that just because you are a Christian, you MUST play Christian music? I have a job that I go to everyday, I do what God has gifted me to do to make a living. Musicians have that same opportunity, to go out and use the talent that God has given them to make a living. It is their decision wether or not to play Christian music or not, as long as they are not doing something that goes against God’s word. People who make roads don’t make Christian road! People who cook in restaurants don’t cook Christian food! I personally have never listened to Paramore. I don‘t generally like the pop genre but I don’t judge those who do.
Report Post »I play in a local band here in my home town and we play everything form Lynyrd Skynyrd covers to Jeremy Camp! I am also the worship leader in our church and have the full support of my Pastor.
Please don’t judge….let God do that!
NES
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 2:17pm@sdd1262
The point wasn’t that the music changed from Christian to non-Christian music. They left because the lyrics were changing into anti-Christian lyrics from their perspective since the lyrics contradicted the Bible in a way that they felt was done intentionally. Think of what they were willing to give up in terms of fame and fortune for their faith. Very few people are willing to do that today. One other shocking example was when a guitarist for Korn left the group after becoming a Christian.
I find it interesting to see the number of nu rock and nu metal bands with Christian influences given that the genre doesn’t seem very spiritual in sound. The lyrics from a band called Skillet took on new meaning after learning that they started off more as purely Christian musicians but now make their message more subtle to interpretation. Their song “Hero” is generally about first responders and warfighters, as is shown in the video for the song, but I also believe that they are making a subtle reference to Jesus Christ, the Hero of heroes.
Report Post »rlmeals
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 3:34pm@SDD1262: I’m with NES. I don’t think just because you are a Christian that you have to play Christian music, but I don‘t think that’s what was going on here. We can do things that are secular in nature as long as they are not in conflict with our Christian values. When the girl started writing anti-Christian lyrics which contradicted the guys’ faith, that’s when they had a problem. Also, I’m sure they were more on the same page at the beginning of their journey as a band, and ultimately drifted apart. It’s their name on the music, too, and they want it to reflect positively and honorably on them.
As for the Christian road paver and the Christian cook example…no, it’s not a “Christian” road or “Christian” food. But we take Christ with us everywhere we go. People should see Him in us in our words and actions. There’s a man in our Sunday School class that has updated us on a co-worker whom he witnessed to. He’s not allowed to solicit his faith at work, but the man approached him and said there was just something different about him. He noticed that my friend didn’t curse or gossip, or speak negatively about other people or situations. My friend was able to share the gospel with his co-worker. He’s a salesman. The items he was selling weren’t “Christian” commodities, but his actions and words were his witness. I’m sure the guys in the band thought their witness was being tarnished by singing the lyrics in question, so they made the right decision in leaving the band.
@NES: I used to listen to Skillet when they were just getting started, and were marketed as a Christian group. I even went to a concert where they opened for a bigger act…can’t remember who at the moment, but they were very good!
Report Post »Sicboy
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:20pmSo a couple of Jesus Freaks start a “Christian” rock band and want to stay true to their Lord. Boo Who, what a bunch of cry babies they are. They don’t have to sing Christian songs to be Christian, SOME IDIOT SAID. What a bunch of low life hypocrites people are. These men have values. They don‘t see dollar sign’s like most Americans do. They love their Lord and their actions prove it. Good for them. They “walk the walk” and “talk the talk”. Praise the Lord there are a few people left that know whats right and whats wrong.
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Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:29pmLibertyluvnmomma… Thank you for your words. and your “Revelations” But, my Bible says Revelation. Singular. You might also listen to J. Vernon Mcgee’s thoughts on “Revelations” Maybe you and that nazi nut job can compare notes.