Pro-Gay Groups Sue MN School District For Not Discussing Homosexuality in the Classroom
- Posted on July 30, 2011 at 7:47pm by
Christopher Santarelli
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Seven suicides within two years at one suburban school district outside Minneapolis has enflamed a culture war between teachers, parents, and national interest groups in regards to the district’s policy of leaving the discussion on homosexuality outside of the classroom.
A clip from a CNN special on the events to air tonight:
The Southern Poverty Law Center and National Center for Lesbian Rights filed a federal lawsuit against Anoka-Hennepin Public Schools last week in regards to the district’s “curricular neutrality” about LGBT issues, and the U.S. departments of justice and education have announced formal investigations into the policy.
“Sam Wolfe, an attorney for the Southern Poverty Law Center, one of the advocacy groups behind the federal lawsuit, wrote the district a letter in May, saying the ‘gag policy’ prevented ‘meaningful’ classroom discussion on lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) people.”
CNN reports that parents and friends say that four of the seven dead students in Anoka were either gay, perceived to be gay or questioning their sexuality, and they say at least two of them were bullied over their sexuality.
The official district policy states that:
“Teaching about sexual orientation is not a part of the District adopted curriculum; rather, such matters are best addressed within individual family homes, churches, or community organizations. Anoka-Hennepin staff, in the course of their professional duties, shall remain neutral on matters regarding sexual orientation including but not limited to student led discussions. If and when staff address sexual orientation, it is important that staff do so in a respectful manner that is age-appropriate, factual, and pertinent to the relevant curriculum. Staff are encouraged to take into consideration individual student needs and refer students to the appropriate social worker or licensed school counselor.”
The seemingly rational policy has been criticized by some outside the district and even some teachers within it. Jefferson Fietek, an openly gay middle school theater teacher at Anoka, advisor for the neutral school’s Gay-Straight Alliance, and participant in the school’s anti-bullying hotline, spoke to CNN despite saying it “could cost him his job.”
“‘I’m worried and concerned about the kids in my school district who are struggling to navigate in a toxic environment,’ explained Fietek, who said talking to CNN could cost him his job as a theater teacher at Anoka Middle School for the Arts in Anoka-Hennepin.
The suburban Minneapolis school district, he said, has a climate where kids ‘feel they have to lie and cover up who they are.’
‘If they’re a kid that’s questioning their identity, that they have to hide that,’ he said. ‘If there’s a girl that’s too masculine and is being harassed about that, or if there‘s a boy that’s too feminine, [they're] just not feeling a collective support.’”
Fietek answers the texts and Facebook posts of suicidal teens questioning their sexuality. CNN states that Fietek has reason to worry, pointing to studies that show since the 1990s gay and lesbian youth consistently have suicide attempt rates at least twice that of their heterosexual peers.
The school’s superintendent defends the neutrality policy as a reasonable response to a divided community, and points to the district’s comprehensive bullying prohibition policy as a means to try and protect students of any sexual orientation who feel harassed. The district “strongly disagrees” that there is a link between the harassment of LGBT students and their neutrality policy.
Do you agree with groups like the Southern Poverty Law Center and National Center for Lesbian Rights that say the “policy imposes a stigma on LGBT students as pariahs, not fit to be mentioned within the school community,“ or many district parents who believe they ”have the right to raise their children any way they want to, and the school district doesn’t need to be sitting there saying, ‘Your parents are wrong.’”
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Comments (428)
momsense
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 8:25pmWhy put these things in the schools—do we develop an entire curriculum to discuss these things when they happen in the non-gay population?
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 8:39pmWE SHOULD NOT BE TEACHING ANY KIND OF “SEXUALITY” IN THE CLASSROOM. Could someone please teach these poor children to read, write and do arithmetic???
Report Post »WSGAC
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 8:48pmBring out your children, that they might know us! – Genesis 19:5
Consentiondum
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 9:00pmI am trying to figure out where you live exactly that your kids don’t seem to be able to read write or do arithmetic? Obviously that should be addressed. When you’re done with that however there are still several years left before grade 12 and ultimately graduation… generally the schools like to take this time to address things slightly more challenging to the mind than addition. There is even a field of study called social sciences. This is a fraction of the school day where students discuss relevant social issues and sometimes even fosters health discussion/debate. They even talk about (the key words are “talk about” not preach or promote) various world religions, including the popular religion of this country–Christianity.
B_rad
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 9:10pmThis is precisely the problem with public indoctri…, sorry, education. This type of thing is what parents are for. Schools are to pass acedemics on to our children, not values and lifestyles. As a gay man, I find this stuff offensive. It only strengthens the argument against equal treatment, when they are asking for special treatment. What people do behind closed doors is no one else’s business. Asking to be free to conduct our lives without undue limitation is a far cry from forcing others to engage in, or agree with our lives. When these ‘activists’ push these agendas they only serve to further alienate those who don’t understand them. Gay activists who make GAY an identity, rather than a sexual orientation do us all a disservice. The average straight person must look at them and think “I have nothing in common with them”. Well, neither do I. Most of us just want to be free to live our lives just as everyone else does. Too bad these people make that so much more difficult.
On a related subject, I would ask anyone with strong opinions to view my posts on the first page of comments in the thread about Rick Perry’s views on gay marriage. I’m struggling to understand the secular position against gay marriages from the conservative viewpoint. I can‘t seem to get anyone here to engage me on the subject and I’d appreciate the discussion.
Report Post »pscully17
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 9:10pmIm sorry , but for 250 years, this country had anti-soddomy laws for a purpose. Societies cannot sustain themselves with a hi-percentage of gay populous. There used to be issues considered ABNORMAL, and lots of behaviors were shunned, based on a society that was built around the guidence of the Bible, and Gods will. we are now exponentially deterirating as a society. Drugs, abortions, gay marriage, in san francisco, they are demanding businesses and apartment owners NOT use ex-convicts jail records in hiring or rental decisions…Illegals are considered full-faith residents, pre-teen sex is being promoted, ACLU is winning Victory over Victory against Christianity and the basic premise of our countrys’ establishment… what the hell happened????? STOP THE BS!!!!
Report Post »VanGrungy
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 9:19pmGay is a religion…
there is no gay gene, gay is not a race..
If either were actually true, there would be a DNA screen and Gays would be at the forefront of the pro-life movement..
Report Post »patriotflllc
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 9:29pmWhy is this even being discussed? What do a bunch of educrats have to do with teenage sexuality? Is it just me?
Report Post »snidley-whiplash
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 9:30pmRid the country of the Department of Education and after that dissolve the Unions…not just the teachers unions All unions.
Report Post »Consentiondum
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 9:45pm@B_RAD
As far as I can tell there is no good secular argument against same-sex marriage, or even any good constitutional argument. Okay, there is no secular argument against same-sex marriage.
I agree that what someone does behind closed doors is no one else’s business, but what if you just want to hold hands down the street or some such innocent thing? I can think of a time when the response to that could be a severe beating or worse… even in places generally considered to be more liberal. That threat is gone in many places (or at least minimal) and I think you have those people that you consider to have taken their sexuality as an identity to thank for it.
And it is sorta an identity. Not anyone’s whole identity, but certainly part of it. I think who you love or who you are attracted to is a rather large part of someone’s identity. Ask any heterosexual who they are and see if one of those things isn’t “a husband” or “a wife” are they not using their sexuality as part of their identity? I would dare say that is a somewhat ubiquitous human trait
1proudAmerican
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 9:45pm@WSGAC That verse always gives me the creeps. Sexual orientation and what people do behind clothes doors should not be a part of the education system. There certainly aren’t any classes about heterosexuality, so why should there be classes about homosexuality? Enough already.
Report Post »silentwatcher
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 9:51pmIt doesn’t belong in the school classroom. **** working hard to throw ‘their rights’ in our faces. I don‘t care if you’re queer,,,just don’t force me to accept it…..I don‘t and won’t. And I will not go out of my way to show my feelings about it, unless you DO throw it in my face,,,,like now. BTW,,,I’m obviously NOT politically correct, so just telling ya how it is.
Report Post »paperpushermj
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 10:45pm@B_RAD
Report Post »I’m struggling to understand the secular position against gay marriages from the conservative viewpoint. I can‘t seem to get anyone here to engage me on the subject and I’d appreciate the discussion.
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I would like to give it a shot. My position is not Religious but consider Marriage foundational to our Society. It is important for Society to promote institution that channel Mens proclivities toward endeavors that enhance our Culture. Men bound to a Woman through Marriage raise children,go to work,honor their obligations and enhance our culture. Anything that waters down, diminishes or distracts Society from sending the message “Love and Marriage Go together like a Horse and Carriage” is playing Russian Roulette with 4 rounds in the cylinder. Hows that for a start?
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beverlee
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 11:01pmB_RAD:
If you want to engage someone in a conversation you need to post…not reply to a post. Replying to a post does not allow others to reply to you…only to the original poster.
mikem1969
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 11:36pmOnce again the gays have to try and force their agenda down peoples’ throats. If a school in my area decides to try cramming that crap down my kids throat, I will sue them and yank my kid out of school. I truly wish I could afford private or christian school for my kids, then I would not have to worry about not on the gay agenda, but the liberal progressive agenda.
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 11:48pm@B_Rad Christians do not believe in homosexuality because it is something that our Creator hates. It is an abomination to Him. This tells you why people become homsexuals. Roman 2: 21-32 Christians fear God and believe Him. We don’t live just for ourselves here on this earth, but the Lord says to work out your own salvation with fear and trembling..What we are interested in is living for Him here so that we can live with Him forever in eternity.
Report Post »Falsegods
Posted on July 31, 2011 at 12:37am****’s
Report Post »have no say
When it comes to children, because you cannot have children !
kindling
Posted on July 31, 2011 at 12:51amAre we soon going to have to discuss other mental disorders in school now? Sexual issues like this are for families and professional help. If a child is having mental problems the parents are not going to go to a teacher, they will go to a doctor. It is not a school’s business to be taking the place of parents. More liberal control.
Report Post »B_rad
Posted on July 31, 2011 at 1:42am@Beverlee, I am replying to the post that sparks my comments. Plus, the way this forum is organized, I can‘t get the attention to my post unless I’m lucky enough to get it at the top of the first page.
Report Post »@Consentiondum, You are right that the actions of those who stood up to the oppression of gays paved the way for us to be at least tolderated, if not accepted, most anywhere, and I’m grateful. That doesn’t change the fact that many of them go too far. They have gone from demanding equal treatment and protection under the law, to demanding everyone like it and paint it on every wall. They are demanding tolerance of our beliefs and lifestyle while refusing to tolerate anyone who respectfully disagrees. If I expect tolerance and respect, I must also give that to those who believe counter to my beliefs. I think we should be able to display ourselves in a decent manner without fear.
@Paperpushermj, I appreciate that women traditionally ‘civilize’ men. There is nothing about allowing gay marriage that will stop that process. What does stop that process is the rabid feminist movement that makes every woman think they need to act like a man, and makes all men out to be pigs unless they are feminized. Straight guys will not turn gay because gay marriage is permitted, but they will do only what women will tolerate. Want to keep men civil? Give women back their true power to be strong AND feminine and the central figure in their children’s life – not the day care or the schools.
paperpushermj
Posted on July 31, 2011 at 1:48am@CONSENTIONDUM
Report Post »As far as I can tell there is no good secular argument against same-sex marriage, or even any good constitutional argument. Okay, there is no secular argument against same-sex marriage.
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Either you are Arrogant or lack Imagination
NUTN2SAY
Posted on July 31, 2011 at 1:49amHETEROSEXUALS ARE ULTIMATELY ALL ABOUT THE PRESERVATION OF THE HUMAN SPECIES!
HOMOSEXUALS ARE ULTIMATELY ALL ABOUT THE DEVASTATION OF THE HUMAN SPECIES!
And your elected representative, just for an extra stupid vote…..is selling out the human species!
Report Post »B_rad
Posted on July 31, 2011 at 2:01am@Ashestoashes, you can not believe in something, that doesn’t make it go away. There is nothing to believe in – it is a fact. That‘s like saying you don’t believe in air. Now, you can disagree, you have that right, but believe that it exists.
Report Post »As far as what God abhors, I wonder if you happen to be wearing blended clothing or ever eat shell fish. As you know, those are abomonations to God, as well. God may abhor homosexuality, and I will have to face Him about every aspect of my life, including that. If I understand Jesus’ teachings, He will forgive me. If not, it won’t affect or harm you. Unless you believe in collective salvation, which is ridiculous, nothing I do negatively affects you.
We live in a free society who‘s fundamental principle is that we can do as we wish so long as it doesn’t interfere with another’s rights. That is why I’m asking for the secular argument, not the theological one. If we based all our laws on biblical law we would be a very limited society. I can name several countries who demand their people follow sharia law – how free do you think those people are? Now, I’m not equating Christianity or Judaism with sharia, but the comparison lends itself to the discussion. In America, we accept all, no matter their beliefs. You cannot legislate morality, for if you could, whose would you choose? We must be a people who regulate themselves, and keep the law to protect our rights. What right of yours have I infringed on if I marry a man?
NUTN2SAY
Posted on July 31, 2011 at 2:28amHow much more do heterosexuals need to know? To know that your elected representative has set the stage to start a political campaign with his sights on making his heterosexual constituents feel insecure of themselves because of their sexuality and making the disease ridden heterosexualphobes of planet earth…..SUPERIOR!
Report Post »paperpushermj
Posted on July 31, 2011 at 2:33am@B_RAD
Report Post »My argument has nothing to do with Gays. It involves the diminishing importance “Modern Society” sees in Marriage. Marriage needs to be promoted by the Greater Society as an important Societal goal because once it is seen as nothing more then just another fringe lifestyle choice especially by Men its fate is sealed. Lets not kid ourselves Marriage will not stop at two of anything, there is no rational that would say 3 can’t Marry then all bets are off.With every new exception, new addition we will drive it further and further from center stage of to the fringe. If you look at some of our Cities now you are finding large numbers of unattached men who are drive by dads surrounded by unmarried moms with children condemned to poverty. Its these very conditions that Marriage was created to address.If the gay community whats to open this pandoras box they need to come up with a better reason then Fairness
Fed up in Bama
Posted on July 31, 2011 at 3:13amThe world has gone crazy. Someone wake me up when someone starts making sense.
Report Post »Teach the Gay life-style in school?
Is this right after ‘I get off by used shoes 101’? or before ‘I’m a strong strapping man but look good in girl‘s panties’ honor class?
Unbelievable. What people do in their bedroom is their own business……..NOT our childrens!!! PERIOD!!!!
NUTN2SAY
Posted on July 31, 2011 at 3:30amHow much more do heterosexuals need to know?
To know that your elected representative has set the stage to start a political campaign with his sights on making his heterosexual constituents, feel insecure of themselves because of their sexuality!
Making the disease ridden heterosexualphobes of planet earth…..SUPERIOR!
STOP ACTING STUPID!
Report Post »Marci
Posted on July 31, 2011 at 4:15amWhat gives them special right over other students who are bullied? I am sorry, but sexuality shouldn’t have to be a classroom topic ever and I agree with the school. Besides, when is it going to be enough? It never will and we all know it.
Report Post »Marci
Posted on July 31, 2011 at 4:17amB-Rad—excellent points. Most people want to be free to live their lives. As for Rick Perry, haven’t seen his viewpoints, going to have to go look at it.
Report Post »Fastsam
Posted on July 31, 2011 at 5:10amEvil will use any method it can to enter ones life. Opening the door to a Gay lifestyle by teaching it in school is a method for evil to enter a child’s life. Being Gay does not mean you are an evil person but it does mean that evil and perversion have entered your life by making you feel good. This is the exact same way a Internet porn addict gets started or a child molester becomes engaged with children. It is wrong but it feels so good. You are not born this way.
Report Post »chazman
Posted on July 31, 2011 at 6:34amWhat right does FaGdom have in our schools? I smell the vile stench of the DOE …
Report Post »Ray2447
Posted on July 31, 2011 at 6:37amGaystopo thugs and bullies are yet again trying to shove their agenda down everyone elses’ throats.
Report Post »Edct
Posted on July 31, 2011 at 7:06amThese sick immoral pervs need to leave our normal children alone.
Report Post »USAF2003
Posted on July 31, 2011 at 7:20am@B-Rad, though I may not agree with your life style…you are 100% correct and I am proud to be your fellow country man.
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on July 31, 2011 at 7:28amB-RAD ..It doesn’t hurt me at all if you are with a man.. The Word of God says that sexual sin is the worst sin of all. If a person lives in habitual sin, after having come into the fullness of Christ, then there remains no sacrifice for him. 1 Cor 6:9 tells us who will not inherit the kingdom of heaven. Fornicaters, adulterers, homosexuals, drunkards ,rivilers, idolators, and such. The Word says that some of us were those, but were washed clean by the blood of Christ, meaning we are sorry and have turned away from such things. You see Brad, God has given us free will and we can do as we please, but there are those of us who have been given the responsibility to raise children. When we love our children, we try to teach them right from wrong in the eyes of God, because we want them to be in heaven one day. I do not condemn you Brad. You seem to be a genuinely nice person and I wish you all the best. God’s blessings upon you.
Report Post »one years food ration like glenn says
Posted on July 31, 2011 at 8:42amI’m so glad I live in Florida.. This crap would never happen here..
Report Post »HappyStretchedThin
Posted on July 31, 2011 at 9:11amB_RAD, I appreciate your thoughtful approach, focusing on substance. It’s a refreshing change from people like ConsentionDum who arrogantly mistake their own lack of understanding and imagination for the absence of a secular argument against same-sex marriage.
Report Post »One challenge your line of thinking poses is this: aren’t there plenty of things that only appear to affect individuals, but which, in the aggregate, harm society? For example, if you are intellectually honest, your insistence that “even if it’s wrong it only hurts me” is the argument extreme libertarians use for the legalization of drugs. Are you for that as well? It’s simply not true: your choices affect other people. This is not to say that anyone should try to enforce a certain sexuality, or even try to make you feel bad for making your choice. But there ARE data from European countries which have legalized same-sex marriage, and the findings are rather alarming. Ashes is right, where it has been tried, marriage rates don’t change much, but out of wedlock births balloon, and that’s alarming because all the studies agree that children do much better with a mother and a father in the household. (my source: http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/217803/smoking-gun/stanley-kurtz). Now to be fair, marriage as an institution is under attack from many other quarters, so expanding out-of-wedlock births in the US can’t be solely attributed to the gay-marriage debate. But it’s bad for society on many secular groun
JohnSo
Posted on July 31, 2011 at 9:23amAgreed…perhaps if they bring in homosexuality they then need to bring in ALL the forms of sexuality that are practiced throughout the world.. Why not bestiality, why not BDSM, etc etc.. This is unbelievable.
Report Post »freeus
Posted on July 31, 2011 at 9:41amMr. Fietek is the “toxic environment”. The issue of how to handle issues of sexual orientation is best decided by parents. The schools should not be involved. Mr. Fietek should remained focused on teaching the subject he was hired to teach and leave his own personal issues/agenda at home.
Report Post »godlovinmom
Posted on July 31, 2011 at 9:43amNo..this is bizarre….I am so glad I homeschool!
Report Post »I Love Howie Carr
Posted on July 31, 2011 at 9:45amyea…. as if no one knew the theatre teacher was gay….
Report Post »apkp777
Posted on July 31, 2011 at 10:04amAbsolutely. The school is a hundred percent correct. These lawsuits are only set up to change and corrupt our society, as with the Christian issues. The issue in this case is bullying, not gays. But of course that’s the card they use to try to infiltrate our classrooms and corrupt the minds of the young. It’s a minority issue also, and of course with these activists they jump all over that, while the majority in this country go unheard (as in health care and immigration and the debt, etc. etc.)
Report Post »B_rad
Posted on July 31, 2011 at 10:13am@HappyStretchedThin,
Thanks, your post is well received. Another resonable argument, but there is some room for debate, no? For the record, I am for decriminalizing drug use. Does that make me extreme? I don’t think so. In fact it does not make me pro-drug use. The approach of arbitrarily criminalizing certain substances as not curbed their usage. In fact, in many ways is has exacerbated it. It has also funnelled countless billions of dollars to an underground who certainly aren’t doing good things with it. Plus, it has filled up our prisons and forced our government to spend countless more billions trying to combat the problem. Decriminalizing it would not suddenly get society hooked on drugs. Education, as it is now, would be the single largest determinant to keep people from falling prey to the life of drugs. Example: alcohol can be every bit as devastating when misused and abused, and it is legal. So, the argument is not just “It only harms them, let them do it”, it becomes “more harm than good is coming from ciminalizing the behavior, so let’s change tactics”.
I use the same argument against those who would rasie taxes to increase revenue. It may seem counterintuitive at first, but time and again history shows that lowering taxes results in increased revenue to the treasury.
Was allowing gay marriage the catalyst for the degradation of the institution in those countries? Or was it so many other factors? An argument could be made that MTV is more damaging.
Report Post »B_rad
Posted on July 31, 2011 at 10:28amContinued: Daily, society is bombarded with the message that marriage is unnecessary. Virtually every show on TV shows couples shacking up and singles sleeping around, intentionally creating children with no intact home. Good parents set a good example, most parents do not. With divorces, remarriages, shack-ups and a total disregard for the institution of marriage, parents are telling all our children that marriage doesn’t really matter.
It is the straight world that has done so much damage to the institution of marriage and the traditional family. I mentioned it before, I think in another thread, I wonder if many gays don’t hold marriage in higher regard because it has been denied to them. Straight people take it for granted, enter into it with no real respect or understanding of its true meaning, then just get a quickie divorce and move on to the next relationship, no matter if there are children or not. Would gays treat marriage this way? I don’t know, maybe, but if anything, I see giving the right to enjoy marriage to same-sex couples as a way to reduce some of the aberant behaviors stereotyped on homosexuals.
As I said in response to another post, women set the tone in the straight world. If you want to fix the problems accociated with marriage, stop teaching girls that they give anything up by having a family. Teach women that they are at their most powerful when they embrace their femininity, not when they try to beat it, and men, into submission.
Report Post »srjim2000
Posted on July 31, 2011 at 11:21amB_RAD says in a post (Rick Perry Clarifies: ‘Obviously Gay Marriage Is Not Fine With Me’):
“My consevative libertarian values tell me this is a state’s rights issue, and I respect the community of the state to have the right to decide the standards…’
“States rights” is at the crux of the matter.
Marriage is an agreement between two people. Marriage should not be a state decision. Marriage is formed by, and condemned or approved, by societal factors. By allowing the state to *form societal norms* for us, we risk losing our choices and rights as to who we can and can not marry. If the state can tell society what marriages are deemed acceptable, then the state is the ultimate authority. If society loses the free exercise of choice in marriage, then we lose how we choose to raise our families – how we freely exercise our religious (or non-religious) beliefs – what we think and how we act.
If the government can step in and say who we can and can not marry, what does that teach our children? What lesson do they learn? That government is the final arbitrator? That “we the people” do not have a voice? Doesn’t this tear at the fabric of the family unit? Can a family unit survive the wholesale slaughter by the government of prized value systems? Would the state then be able to tell us who we *have* to marry – or if we can marry at all? Would these things be good for the family?
Is society and “we the people” king – or is the state the
Report Post »srjim2000
Posted on July 31, 2011 at 11:25amand…
If you want an example of how decaying the moral fabric of a society effects that society and sets itself up for a dictatorship – you might want to read up on the Weimar Republic. Weimar eroded societal norms – it made the people think they could have their cake and eat it too and gave all the decision making over to the government. Weimar’s erosion of societal beliefs and norms set the stage for Hitler to take power. All the structure had been put in place by that erosion and allowed Hitler to waltz in and usurp the rules to his own means and ends.
As in Weimar, every great society’s fall has been preceded by an erosion of societal norms and values. Homosexuality, loose morals, greed, vice, marriage erosion, political turmoil, sexual freedom, have all contributed (each in their own small destructive way – like the straw that broke the camel’s back) to the downfall of great societies. It’s happened over and over again – throughout history – it is happening now, in this country, as we allow our state to tell us what is and is not acceptable in so many areas of our lives.
“We the people” decide what’s in our best interests, and “we the people” starts with our families and the raising of our young in a way “we” see fit to raise them. The crux of the matter lies therefore not within the state(s), it lies within “we the people” and *we the families*.
Here’s a small primer of Weimar:
Report Post »http://www.ukapologetics.net/weimar.html
paperpushermj
Posted on July 31, 2011 at 12:05pm@ B_RAD
Report Post ».As I said in response to another post, women set the tone in the straight world. If you want to fix the problems accociated with marriage, stop teaching girls that they give anything up by having a family. Teach women that they are at their most powerful when they embrace their femininity, not when they try to beat it, and men, into submission.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~I have long thought of the power young school age girls have to shape the boys swimming around them like fish in the spawning season. Truth is if females want jocs boys will be Joks,Bad boys,Druggies, Academics and perish the thought Respectful Moral Proto-Men.
Yes the keys to our Society lies firmly ensconced in Women’s pockets.
Seasoldier
Posted on July 31, 2011 at 12:59pmThe Southern Poverty Law Center started out as a worthy organization fighting for serious civil rights issues. However, like so many Left Wing organizations, it has been completely co-opted by the Socialist Culture of Death and promotes the homosexual agenda. Parents should not be forced to permit their children to be subjected to secularist “sex education” which completely ignores the Judeo-Christian teachings upon which our country was founded (yes, it was) and promotes the Culture of Death.
Report Post »paperpushermj
Posted on July 31, 2011 at 1:19pm@ MARCI
Report Post »Posted on July 31, 2011 at 4:17am
B-Rad—excellent points. Most people want to be free to live their lives. As for Rick Perry, haven’t seen his viewpoints, going to have to go look at it.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~If one lives out in the Netherlands by yourself -Yes you can do 100% of what you want 100% of the time. Move toward anothers sphere of influence and you need to moderate what you Can do. As you move toward larger number of people what you can do becomes more and more restrained by the rules set up be that group. Sorry this is a long way of saying that you ,Me everyone is free to do what we want as long as we live within the guidelines set up by the group. One of those guidelines that has been with all Societies for the last 5000 years is that marriage has been between Men and Women. If the call to change that arrangement is ensconced in just Fairness I say that not enough of a reason.
Pydge
Posted on July 31, 2011 at 1:40pmYes—let’s have heterosexuals sue the district as well for not giving specific sexual orientation to every single celeb in American history!! AND THEN, discussing thoroughly HOW DIFFERENT your sexual orientation makes you as a human being!
We all know how idiotic this all is, right?
Report Post »I can hard-ley wait till it is delineated down to the hair off the furrball to discuss: RESOLVED: that one gay man‘s love for a pug is OHSODIFFERENT than another gay’s love for his chihuahua….I wanna see THAT article.
buckster6.0
Posted on July 31, 2011 at 6:35pmhere’s my class on gay.it’s sick and twisted.there everyone get’s an A.next?
Report Post »William
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 2:36pmI am with you. I would hate for my kids to have to learn about why people are gay and what they do in their spare time. How does teaching gay do anything for the children except give them bad advise?
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 6:53pmThe madness of liberalism and the militant homosexual agenda.
Report Post »Just because “teaching” homsexuality in the classroom isn‘t necessary for a child’s education, but rather it should addressed at home, this idiot attorney-Sam Wolfe- sees it as a gag order. It has no real place in school education but nonetheless..Wolfe calls it a “gag order”. Then you’ve got the idiot Feitek bleating about kids in school “trying to navigate a toxic environment”. Yes nothing more toxic than English, Math, Science, History and Sports. Perhaps Feitek should call Obama’s Orwellianly named “Czar of Safe Schools”-Kevin Jennings for some advice? Jennings was a founder of GLSEN an organization that advocates teaching explicit sex acts (with a distinct homosexual bent) to school age children. Fisting is one example. Apparently this constitute a “non-toxic“ environment and ”safe schools” in militant homosexual land. When will homosexuals realize that homosexuality isn’t “normal” human behaviour? When will they accept that fact?
AvengerK
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 7:08pmConsentiondum…you don‘t believe there’s a credible secular argument against homosexuality’s mores and homosexual marriage?
Report Post »Let me educate you champ.
The disproportionately higher incidences of Gonorrhea and HIV in homosexual men as opposed to the ratio in continents like Africa where it’s throughout the population. If you could match the population of African countries with homosexual men you’d find that the homosexual men are getting these diseases in higher numbers. Every few years there seems to be an outbreak among homosexual men in this country of those diseases. Clearly their sexual practices make them far more succeptable to contracting these diseases and clearly the propensity for males in general to be more promiscuous adds to the problem. So what I hear you say? So why “normalize” this behaviour to school children? Why tell them it’s “ok” to be a homosexual male when clearly it’s not? A heterosexual male could conceivable go his entire life with numerous female sex partners and never contract an STD. Can a homosexual male say the same? And no…apparently the “wear a condom” message isn’t getting through to homosexual men which is why these outbreaks keep happening. Are you going to tell me this has no bearing on how an isurance company spreads it’s costs around?
I’ll continue in my next post….
AvengerK
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 7:17pmTo add to my other post Consentiondum….I’ll add another secular argument against homosexual marriage and the normalization of homosexuality. There’s an oxymoron..“normalization” of homosexuality.
Report Post »Militant homosexuality and it’s allies in the media and hollywood have a very litigous nature. As we’ve seen California, when the people speak in a referendum, militant homosexual groups take the matter to courts and overturn the peoples’ will. Militant judges (as happened in California where a homosexual judge heard the case) side with the militant homosexuals. This affects me as a voter and a citizen. This is a secular concern no? Furthermore, their litigous nature will ultimately make them attempt to force churches and temples to marry them citing “discrimination”. If a church says it will not carry out such a marriage, they’ll either sue or demonize the church in the media. This affects people who want to practice their faith in peace..and they’re entitled to not allow homosexuals to marry in their churches. No? Make no mistake..any church or temple that refuses to marry them if or when homosexual marriage is allowed “en masse” will be target for reprisals. They’ve shown me no reason to expect any kind of respect from them. Much like the clowns in San Francisco that invade churches during a mass to insult and humiliate the celebrant and the congregation there.
redbone007
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 8:23pmLet sue the school for not discussing King James Bible and God. If they want to discussing Homsexuality then we need to talk all side of it. What God and men say about homosexuality.
Report Post »Minpin1985
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 8:32pmNice! I agree! Also, if they are allowed to teach about evolution, why can’t they also teach about creationism?
Report Post »gracentruth
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 8:47pmAmen. The Bible was a textbook early in our country’s history.
Report Post »IAMNOTKNOWING
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 9:11pm“Hate the sin, not the sinner.”
That being said.. I prefer the Andrew “Dice” Clay approach to h-mos.
“They want rights? I‘ll give ’em rights. 10% off Vaseline. Now GET BACK IN THE CLOSET!!” ;D
If I had children, there‘s no freakin’ way I want any teacher to either teach, or be forced to teach about how to put rubbers on and demonstrate/instruct on “anal sex” like in Texas recently.
Those stupid heathens are getting outta control!
Report Post »abbygirl1994
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 9:32pmBetter yet teach them at home so you know they get the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth!
Report Post »Edct
Posted on July 31, 2011 at 7:10amGreat point…someone needs to sue them to teach creationism and the Bible…if they did the children would be healthier, more normal and maybe we could start a gereration of people in this country that have morality.
Report Post »freeus
Posted on July 31, 2011 at 10:00amGood point, however the sodomites have taken over the courts and the courts don’t want you to pray or talk about God in the schools.
Report Post »Mtroom
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 8:21pmReally?..don’t we waste enough tax dollars….how can this even be heard by a tax funded court…ridiculous…throw it out and stop allowing anyone to sue over anything and everything…it’s costing us too much money…what‘s next sue the zoo because the lion didn’t roar when i was there?…wait I’m gonna call my attorney and start the paper work
Report Post »loriann12
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 8:35pmTorte reform!
Report Post »Mateytwo Barreett
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 8:21pmThe “SOUTHERN” Poverty Law Center, the National EDUCATION Association, and the Department of Justice- formerly kn own as the American Civil Liberties UNION. All have enough resources to sue a school district in te middle of iberalvill, MN. Whats the matter the CRCT (can’t read- cant think) test scores must be too high.
Report Post »So, let me get this straight. The school gets money from the federal governmet to teach kids to- – whatever. And just to make sure that every stinkin’, bottom feeding, lecherous, sanctamonius lawyer gets their share of the “Stimulus”, we take resources and time from actually educating the children (supposing there are still some in Minneapolis that sspeak english) to make sure that evrybody that wants to wear his siters make is comfortable. OK, I got it!!
SheriS
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 8:53pmAs a teacher who quit teaching because the unions were taking over, this is the typical crap that causes really good teachers to throw in the towel! I would never teach that crap to any child–that is the parents responsibilty not the schools! Homosexuality is not a subject that should ever be attempted in schools, but we know there is two states that would shove this infor down our kids throats–New York and California–both have become two of the worst places to live if you want your child educated–why do you think so many families are “home schooling”!
Report Post »JJ Coolay
Posted on July 31, 2011 at 1:09amSheris… unfortunately, the system took a casualty. Sorry to have a good teacher, you, gone from the system.
Report Post »LinkedIn G
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 8:20pmschool district outside Minneapolis has “enflamed” a culture war…Flaming is what got us into this mess.
Report Post »WeveAlreadyWon
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 8:20pmyou know what? Sorry ******* but the time for PC is over with this ********. WE don’t want your Gay **** taught in our schools.. Period. Keep it at home. We teach the Male Organs and the Female organs and how they reproduce. That’s it. From here we can go to Beastieality if we stoop to your level. First teacher that tries this **** with my kid gets a punch in the mouth and a lawsuit. teaching kids about sex should be the parents job. Not Big Government. Tired of this ****.
Report Post »yancie
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 8:35pmAmen!!
Report Post »staythecourse
Posted on July 31, 2011 at 12:20amGet ready because here it comes….it is all authorized in the health care act that no one bothered to read. It is under the “adult formation of children” clauses. It will be enforced through regulations. Just check out SAMSHA for starters.
Report Post »calonzap
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 8:19pmThe gay lifestyle should be discussed in the classroom. The students should be told what a perverse lifestyle it is; how sick it is; that they should stay far, far away from anyone who is involved in it; and that their arms and legs will fall off if they become involved in it.
Report Post »yancie
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 8:31pmYou know as well as I do, this is not the way it will happen , they will not teach how sick it is, Liberal teachers in unions will tell our kids how nice and peaceful it is and that kids should try it before they knock it. And if they knock it and bitc* about it they get an automatic failing grade. But that has no matter in schools today you can get 2 D’s and 3 F’s and still pass.
Report Post »sbmmomma
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 8:51pmHomosexual livestyle is discussed by libs in PBS TV show for kids for 9 or 10 years on our tax dollars, Then in other kid shows on Nick and in kids movies-I do watch what my kids see. Sex sells shows, even on Disney. If we let children be children instead of claiming that they are more “sophisticated today” than we were at their age—-what does that even mean? If our society left our kids alone, this would not be any more of a problem than when I was their age.
Report Post »Frogginit
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 8:17pmThey should go ahead and discuss it. Teach the kids how perverted it is.
Report Post »godhatesacoward
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 8:17pmThe theater teacher is gay? Really!?!
Report Post »LinkedIn G
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 8:33pmLol
Report Post »HairRazor
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 8:12pmDue to the disgraceful and absurd subject matter, CASE DISMISSED.
Report Post »JJ Coolay
Posted on July 31, 2011 at 1:12amDue to the disgraceful and absurd subject matter– CLASS dismissed!! haha
Report Post »yancie
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 8:10pmThis is exactly what NABULA wants North American Man/Boy Love Association
Report Post »If they can get into schools and teach their sexual deviance to our children then they have won. Sue them back sue the ACLU sue sue sue!
KnightGuardian
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 4:51pmYes, they have agendas in many areas to promote their cause. They contribute to the national libraries to make sure internet access is not censored. They also promote alot of LGBT agendas (such as gay marriage) to worm their way into getting what they want, which is a horrible concept.
Report Post »rienheart
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 8:09pmWhen Sharia Law is Imposed their will be NO MORE discussion, and if there is,
Report Post »People’s (Gay People) Heads will roll. There will be NO TOLERANCE for this Nonsence.
LGBT, ACLU and Southern Poverty Law Center will No Longer Exist. Get it while you can LGBT, Your days are numbered.
Walkabout
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 8:18pmIslam is looking better all the time. I just don‘t like the whole thing that women can’t leave the home without a male escort.
Report Post »But it may come down to a choice of ACLU or Islam. I know which side I will join.
Walkabout
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 8:21pmIslam is looking better all the time except for the treatment of women.
Report Post »But between the ACLU and Islam, Islam looks like it is a better way of living.
HairRazor
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 8:25pmnot only them but us.. the days of freedom are numbered. Resist, fight, vote, pray (in the name above all names, Jesus).
Report Post »srvbluz
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 8:09pmWould somebody please shut the closet door.
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on July 31, 2011 at 12:11amAgree…… and nail it shut
Report Post »So
Posted on July 31, 2011 at 9:07amAmen!
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 8:09pmJefferson Fietek, a theater teacher, both challenged in critical thinking and statistics.
http://www.livescience.com/8734-gay-teen-suicide-epidemic.html
Report Post »bigfatslob
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 8:08pmI came upon a revelation listening to some one I greatly respect. Gays are the intolerant ones ! Yes, I know that sounds backwards from what we‘ve all been hearing but hasn’t most of what the left preaches in the realm of the BIZZARO WORLD ?. Gays are intolerant of the opposite sex. From our early lives we all take friends of the same sex and have to learn to accept the thoughts , values and emotions of the opposite sex, well not all of us, gays don’t, they refuse to accept the opposite sex, their natural mates. We‘ve let the progressives frame the arguement for so long on this that we haven’t taken the time to look and plainly see the truth.
Report Post »Anyone w/ gay friends or relatives out there ? I am one and have observe male gays somewhat accepting of females as long as they are close in anyway to their lover/ partner. Lesbians on the other hand, without exception hold ALL MALES with contempt. I have to admit, my favorite lesbian ( a local politician who I’ve done volenteer work for and still do ) is pretty good at grinning and bearing it around male constituents ( after all , she IS A POLITICIAN ).
One man’s opinion.
capitalismrocks
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 8:08pmSo I should sue the school for not discussing Catholic studies, oh and I’m going to sue them for not discussing Eastern European culture specific to my Country, and I am suing because they are not discussing blondes with big boobs because that is my “lifestyle choice” for a partner….
See where this is going, its nonsense!
We are NOT supposed to be discussing just African Americans, or Jewish Americans, or Irish Americans or Gay Americans… this the America, the Great Melting Pot, we are all AMERICANS, you discuss Americans, not “Labelled Americans”
Stop putting people into boxes and segmenting them, that is NOT America.
Report Post »blownaway
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 8:48pmNow that just makes too much sense!
Report Post »Living In NYC
Posted on July 31, 2011 at 9:37amAgree…100% this type of action is dividing our country by racial, social, sexual, religous, political and economic classes / boxes…..thanks Barry!!!
We are all Americans and I don’t care what you do as long as it is legal..none of my business or your business what I do. This is country of the free and brave … not the oppressed and dimwitted!!!
Report Post »UBETHECHANGE
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 8:05pmI say get sex out of the classroom period. Gay and straight. This should be up to the parents.
Report Post »Captain Crunch
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 8:40pmJack..I’m going through every story and search your name. Them I’m going to click that little “ Report Post” button
Report Post »willnotbackdown
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 8:00pmI though Gays just wanted to be left alone, live and let live. That they did not want to shove homosexuality down anyones throat (the pun is intentional) or convert anyone. Like any other left wing movement lie like he!! till you get your foot in the door.
Report Post »the hawk
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 8:11pmPARENTS
Report Post »Just inform the schools if they teach it, you will keep your kids home and file lawsuit !
AND MEAN IT !
Windwalker
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 10:27pmGays are not satisfied with living in a society that allows them to practice their addiction to homosexuality. At the onset of pushing the perverse, we were told, they wanted to practice this sexual diversion and they just wanted to “be left alone” Nothing could have ever been further from the truth. They expect and demand that the rest of us not only tolerate this lifestyle, but they want those of us that are sexually normal to VALIDATE this lifestyle. They want unconditional approval. These people cannot naturally procreate. Had this perversion been in place at the onset of creation, the earth would have never had a population. Whether you detest these practices due to religious beliefs or otherwise….one fact remains. It frustrates the natural of things…..even animals know better.
Report Post »Smokey_Bojangles
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 7:59pmJohnny cant read,But he did learn a new use for his anus.
Report Post »Jack MeOff
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 8:03pmThat’s disgusting!!!
Walkabout
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 8:12pmWhy can’t talk about the anus. According to the gays it is a sex organ. Therefore they would demand that it be talked about in sex ed. If you start wining the war on statistics they’ll ignore your argument or say it is a diversion from gay rights. Gays much prefer to debate bible thumpers than statistics.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 8:15pmAt Jack Meoff
Why can’t talk about the anus. According to the gays it is a sex organ. Therefore they would demand that it be talked about in sex ed. If you start wining the war on statistics they’ll ignore your argument or say it is a diversion from gay rights. Gays much prefer to debate bible thumpers than statistics.
calonzap
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 8:20pmSitting here laughing out loud, right by myself. This is very, very funny.
Report Post »yancie
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 8:23pmjackmeoff,You are disgusting look at your name. I dare you freaks to try that in my Childs school , it will get you put back in your closet! Quick fast and in a hurry. You keep trying for your “ right” to show the world how gay you are, the next time you feel the need to show it go to Iran and show it loud and proud. I bet you wont make it back to the States lmao!
Report Post »Mateytwo Barreett
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 8:24pm@ JACK
Report Post »I trhink Iknow your brother!!
Jack MeOff
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 8:35pmYancie, get ur pant’sy out the bunch… And I hope your kid learns to write more cohesively than you do when he/she is your age!
one years food ration like glenn says
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 11:48pm@WALKABOUT why do you double post EVERYTIME ?
Report Post »one years food ration like glenn says
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 11:49pm@WALKABOUT.. why is it that you feel the need to double post EVERYTIME ?
Report Post »JJ Coolay
Posted on July 31, 2011 at 1:18amLol, One Years
Report Post »Airgun
Posted on July 31, 2011 at 3:12amSo are you, “Jack”.
Report Post »yancie
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 7:59pmLooks like we need to sue these gays for trying to shove sexuality on our kids. And have them arrested for sexual harassment, it is what it is. If you try to force your sexual views thoughts or innuendos on another person its sexual harassment. And in this case it would be against minors.
Report Post »cookcountypatriot
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 10:46amexactly…we must organize and start sueing anything gay..we are the majority and we with superior numbers can beat any of these progressive slaves…
Report Post »yancie
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 7:56pmLooks like we need to sue these gays for trying to shove sexuality on our kids. And have them arrested for sexual harassment, it is what it is. If you try to force your sexual views thoughts or innuendos on another person its sexual harassment. Start slamming them back with lawsuits!
Report Post »the hawk
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 8:58pmYES, MN,
Report Post »GET YOUR CABLE $ Together and find a GOOD PRICEY lawyer !
salvawhoray
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 7:55pmthis whole story was Gay.
Report Post »TAKE_NO_PRISONERS
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 7:54pmAre they going to instruct the boys to bend over a take it like a man, and the girls,are they being told to eat at the “Y”. Just asking….
Report Post »Consentiondum
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 9:11pmI doubt you honestly believe that, but no. No they are not. That is not the proposed plan here…. just answering.
Report Post »TAKE_NO_PRISONERS
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 9:44pmHey I’m a comedian a joke-meister, like Maher,Daily, Senator Franken,San Fran Nancy, Reid, Obama,…..etc. You are right this technique will not be taught,it’s too advanced for young minds , so they will play dress up boys as girls and girls as boys.Gender reassignment, and thats just in grades K-6.Sex comes ingrades 6-12
Report Post »Consentiondum
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 10:24pmYou’re right. Ease em in with yoga first.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 7:27pmYet Consentiondum…that‘s exactly what Kevin Jennings’ group GLSEN (Jennings is Obama’s “Czar of Safe Schools..creepy I know) wants to teach school age children. They want to teach explicit sex acts like “fisting” to school age children. Do you want your child experimenting with such extreme acts thinking that it’s “ok” to do so because some militant teacher told them it’s “normal”?
Report Post »Gypsy123
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 7:53pmThis is exactly why we have got the dumbest politicians in the world trying to solve a debt crisis Our schools have quit teaching what is important reading writing and Arithmetic. We have dumbed down America thru personal social issues that should be dealt with at home.
Report Post »kickagrandma
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 7:51pmSue away, sweeties!
It is not up for discussion in public school settings in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
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