Pro-Gay Marriage GOP State Senator to Opponents: ‘Fu** it, I Don‘t Care What You Think’
- Posted on June 17, 2011 at 12:43pm by
Billy Hallowell
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New York State is the latest battleground in the national debate over gay marriage. Republican New York State Senator Roy McDonald — one of the few individuals in the state’s GOP who supports legalizing same-sex marriage — joins NYC Major Michael Bloomberg in fervently supporting a new bill proposed by Governor Andrew Cuomo.
As can be imagined, a pro-gay marriage mantra isn’t going over too well among more socially right-leaning constituents. According to The New York Daily News, McDonald had some strong words in response to his conservative and religious critics:
“You get to the point where you evolve in your life where everything isn’t black and white, good and bad, and you try to do the right thing
You might not like that. You might be very cynical about that. Well, f— it, I don’t care what you think. I’m trying to do the right thing.
“I’m tired of Republican-Democrat politics. They can take the job and shove it. I come from a blue-collar background. I’m trying to do the right thing, and that‘s where I’m going with this.”
On Wednesday evening, the bill, proposed by Gov. Andrew Cuomo, passed the New York State Assembly 80-63. Now, it must successfully make its way through the Senate, where it will face a tougher battle. That in mind, The Christian Post reports:
Republican senators defeated a similar bill in 2009 but there appears to be a more even split in the Senate over the Marriage Equality Act.
The bill would give same-sex couples an equal right to marry as well as other “rights, benefits and protections that are currently limited to married couples of the opposite sex,” the governor’s office said.
Some sources say the bill may be voted on and passed sometime today, which would make New York the latest state to move toward legalization. In order to nab Republican support, The Daily News reports that Cuomo’s very cleverly inserted some intriguing exemptions into the bill:
In hopes of attracting needed Senate GOP votes, Cuomo’s bill offers some exemptions from anti-discrimination laws to religious groups and affiliated organizations.
The Knights of Columbus, for instance, would be allowed to bar same-sex couples from renting out catering hall space.
The bill also specifies that no clergy would be forced to perform gay marriage ceremonies.
Prominent politicians like Michael Bloomberg have long been outspoken proponents of legalizing gay marriage. The mayor, in fact, has been working diligently to get Republicans on board. Yesterday, he visited Albany in an effort to court support and he has previously threatened to no longer fund any GOP politician who withholds a vote in support of gay marriage.
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Comments (280)
SafeguardOurLiberty
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 1:31pmLook at the polls. 58% of the people that were polled accept gay marriage. Over half. Why? Because they know it is a right that EVERYONE should be able to have.
Report Post »tyler_durden
Posted on June 18, 2011 at 1:21amMmmm hmmmm sure. Who did they poll? Hand picked liberals and people who support the gay agenda. Polls are rigged all the time. Just ask anybody that fled to the states from any socialist/communist country
Report Post »jackact
Posted on June 18, 2011 at 1:17pmReally….I was never polled.
Report Post »Were you?
DukeNukemall
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 1:05amYou better hope to God the numbers are wrong.. Even if the numbers are true, just because the majority thinks it‘s the right thing to do doesn’t so. It just means, as a country, we’re ripe for destruction. Plain and simple.
Report Post »Tammy_Beth
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 11:55pmDo you understand god only in light of the Old Testament? Because that’s the place where God judges nations as a whole. In the New Covenant, God deals with individuals, not nations. Reading the book does no good if you don’t read things in context.
Report Post »compatriotshonor
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 1:30pmI keep wondering, when are the rest of the world is going to grow up and understand, since when did GOD give humanity the right to judge, let alone, judge how any INDIVIDUAL shall live thier lives in a supposed free society, with life, liberty and to the pursuit of happiness. WHO GIVES ANY OF YOU THR RIGHT TO JUDGE OVER GOD! Has any of you ever thought, that gay and lesbien people in this world was created by GOD in the first place, thus, you are harming his other children too and the rest of us has or had the audacity to think we know or father’s mind of creation. I know, I was one of you, but I realized, I was doing more harm than good.
Report Post »Don’t get me wrong. I am, by no means a supporter, nor except thier way of life, but I’ll be damned if I follow the lead of others, that not only hate them beyong measure, nor will I except them in a political motivated enviornment.
Time to grow up folks!!!!!!
EP46
Posted on June 18, 2011 at 7:03amI think you might have a misunderstanding. People of faith who believe and follow God’s teachings are NOT judging. It sounds like you are judging when you condemn a person for following the teachings of the Bible. When a Christian stands up and says they believe in God’s Word, and will follow his teachings, and that one of those teachings is to ‘spread God’s word’, that is not judgment. That is living your faith and sharing it with others as God commanded we do. Not to speak out against sin is a sin to those who believe. Bringing forth God’s word is not judgment, sharing your faith with those who do not know God’s teachings is not judgment. Calling evil by its name is not judgment.Standing up for what you believe in is not judgment. When you have something wonderful you want to share it, sharing God’s love, God’s teachings, and God’s promise of eternal live is not judgment. If you do not stand against evil, then you stand for it by your silence. People who believe in God’s holy word believe the story of Sodom and Gomorrah. Some beliefs are worth dying for, and Christians believe that standing for God is that important.
Report Post »CRAPGIVER
Posted on June 18, 2011 at 3:35pmCompatriotshonor: there comes a time in a mans life, in which, whatever desision he or she makes, not only afects the individual, but also, the city, county, the state the nation and the world, and humanity learns, from the past not from the present nor the future, so secular history teaches that roman empire was destroyed from inside out, when sexual permisivness, became rampant in the empire, including the belive in multiple gods, and including homosexuality, the bible main source of understanding to christians and orthodox jews of the stock of king david and our lord jesus christ, not(zionist converted jews) that 2 towns were destroyed by god’s angels destroyed sodom and gamora, the names tell you the kind of sex practised in those towns. Now we can understand that this great free nation that god gave to the gentiles not to the zionist nor to the orthodox jews, but to the cristians is been destroyed because of the citizens of this last free nation have turned away from our crator and his perfect son jesus christ, making it easy for satans children to guide you into hell thrugh deseption , by using men like glenn beck, and rush,hennedy etc. To serve as pid pipers, for the zionist and drive you into compromising with satans kids, i am not judging you i’m just showing you are in the wrong track , no body can forse you to follow the right way to god pourpose,exept yourselfgod dont force any one to follow him same as a man can not forse a woman to love him and fallow him she
Report Post »abbygirl1994
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 1:28pmThat is the problem, they don’t care what we think! Lets make them care!
Report Post »Baron_Doom
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 1:27pm“You get to the point where you evolve in your life where everything isn’t black and white, good and bad, and you try to do the right thing.”
How exactly do you do the right thing if you don’t believe in black and white, good and bad?
These people don’t have the ability to think logically, so why on earth would you want them to represent you?!!
Report Post »nomercy63
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 1:26pmAnother distraction topic away from the issues that are important to the country! The voters vote on this issue and they are clearly against it, done!!!
Report Post »Chet Hempstead
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 8:34pmWe never voted on it in New York. If we could, instead of having to waiting for the legislators to grow a set, we would have had marriage equality years ago.
Report Post »Frustrated
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 1:20pmYou know what, good for him!!!! I love how everyone one here always comments on freedoms, liberties and getting government out of peoples personal lives but, then all of a sudden become very critical on this issue. You know what, if you don’t want to marry the same sex, then don’t. Level the playing feild for all. Everyone uses religion to back up there points here but, FYI, thats the same thing the muslims do when they beat the **** out of their women. Diversity and respect make America great, NOT judgements. I am much more concerned with people fleecing this country than I am with what my fellow Americans do with their private lives. We are being attacked from every direction and we waste time attacking eachother?? Thats just brillant, everyone should be very proud of themselves. IDIOTS!!!!
Report Post »SafeguardOurLiberty
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 1:33pmAGREED! Great comment!
Report Post »TumbleBumble
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 2:56pmFRUSTRATED ~
“Diversity and respect make America great”. Diversity has tore us apart. United we stand, divided we fall. And we are spiraling downward at the speed of light. Our country was once great and that is when we feared God. Show me one former nation that embraced homosexuality and prospered.
SAFEGUARD ~
You say you are a Christian, correct? Frustrated called people here ‘idiots’ and you say his comment was great? You do align yourself with people lacking in Christian values.
Report Post »Chet Hempstead
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 8:40pmAnd have you ever noticed how conservatives point out over and over again that we’re a republic, not a democracy, and that it’s a good thing because a democracy wouldn’t work, but when a legislator voting based on his own best judgment instead of being a slave to the opinion polls causes a result they disagree with, they denounce him for ignoring the will of the people.
Report Post »The Top Crusader
Posted on June 18, 2011 at 12:54amIt is frustrating that this state senator gets labeled a RINO by almost everyone here because there is ONE issue that he has a different view on.
I thought we were about small government and fiscal responsibility… what does gay marriage have to do with that?
As long as I’m not forced to marry some dude, I don’t really care what other people are doing and what they call it. I may find it immoral but that’s between them and God, not for me to enforce my will upon them through government enforcement.
But I suppose I’m a troll for having an out of step view… funny how everyone here cries how terrible the liberals mistreat them yet anyone who voices an opposing view gets lambasted here.
Report Post »paperpushermj
Posted on June 18, 2011 at 12:04pmI have not used Religion at all in my argument against Same Sex marriage.
Report Post »mohavegreen
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 1:16pmWill this outreach program stretch to Barney Frank.
Report Post »PatriotSmith
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 1:10pmThis is why we need to vote for a real conservative come 2012. No more of these RINOs
Report Post »Chet Hempstead
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 8:52pmGood! If you force every candidate to take the most conservative position on every issue – you lose! Because the country isn’t really divided into red or blue like the electoral map. It’s all different shades of purple. In fact not just the states, most of the people are some shade of purple, except in Iowa where the liberals are insanely liberal and the conservatives are insanely conservative. Too bad politicians suck up to them because they have the first presidential caucus. Corn is bad too. Corn we eat is okay, but we turning into syrup and putting it in food is bad. Feeding it to cows is bad for the cows, bad for us and bad for the environment because of the methane the cows produce – we’d all be better off if they ate grass. Turning it into alcohol is bad because it uses more energy than you get back. Yep, Iowa stinks. We’d all be better off if the whole festering pustule of a state dropped into a sinkhole.
Report Post »thinkhard64
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 1:07pmWell when you don’t dacr what the people that sent you there have to think,it is time to resign!! This is why are country is going down hill….
Report Post »BlackCrow
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 1:06pmRINO’s need to become an endangered species.
Report Post »I.Gaspar
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 1:06pmIf they pass it, perhaps McDonald and Bloomberg could set up house together…
Report Post »ICEDRAGONNITE
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 1:04pmSO sorry. typical pol. don’t listen to the people. SO YOU CAN BELIEVE THEY DON’T LISTEN TO GOD EITHER. It’s going to fall on their heads.
Report Post »SafeguardOurLiberty
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 1:28pmI am a good Chrisitan. And I know many gays that are also good Christians. Who is anyone to say that because you are gay you are not close to God? Let God make that judgement not men. I pity all the people that are judgemental, because you will also be judged.
Report Post »TumbleBumble
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 2:18pmSAFEGUARD ~
Then as a fellow Christian brother/sister, I must point out…
“My brothers, if any among you strays from the truth, and someone turns him back, he should know that whoever turns a sinner from the error of his way will save his life from death and cover a multitude of sins.
James 5:19-20
I would be wrong if I did not correct you. You cannot pick and choose what parts of the Bible you want to follow. God declares homosexuality as an abomination and that’s that. I cannot see how anyone could willingly participate in sin then think they are close to God. He still loves them but desires for them to turn away from the sin.
Report Post »paperpushermj
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 2:55pm@SAFEGUARDOURLIBERTY
Report Post »Is saying only two can Marry,or that Brothers or Sisters can’t Marry or how about underage people. Are all these just examples of intolerance in your mind? In all these examples Society has said you do not meet the requirements that we have set up for what we consider an important foundational pillar of our Society. All rules and conditions have people who don’t fit the requirements THATS CALLED LIFE NOT DISCRIMINATION.
Chet Hempstead
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 9:51pmTumbleBumble “You cannot pick and choose what parts of the Bible you want to follow.”
Yes I can. If I believe in God and value the teachings of Jesus,but I don’t think that every word of every book of the entire Bible is really the word of God, then that’s what I believe, Who the hell are you to tell me I can’t? It happens to be what most people in America believe, even though many will not say so because that minor bit of hypocrisy is the price they pay for the fellowship of belonging to an organized church. If I think that if you take a dump outdoors, you should bury it instead of leaving it for someone to step in (De 23:13) is a good rule, whether it came from God or not, but if a guy has sex with an animal, you should kill him and the animal too (Lev 20:15) is a stupid rule, how many people will really have an argument with that?
Report Post »Texas Grasshopper
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 1:04pmanybody get any information on fort Collins nuke plant after june 14 th ?
Report Post »mohavegreen
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 1:02pmThis demonstration of free speech is the reason I stopped sending funds directly to the Repubican Party. Here is a “Rhino” with no horn.
Report Post »paperpushermj
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 1:18pmIs the blame with him or Us for not making a Compelling Case for Traditional marriage?
Report Post »TumbleBumble
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 2:08pmYou and I both. I’ve told them time and again that I will decide which candidates will get my money. The calls are finally dwindling.
Report Post »SafeguardOurLiberty
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 1:02pmGood for McDonald. No one should be denied the rights that anyone else gets when they are married. The rights that go along with marriage is the issue. Not the religious part. Any rights the government gives to a married couple should be had by all, not just heterosexuals. You don’t have to like it, you don’t have to agee with it, but equal rights are provided under our Constitution for all.
Report Post »paperpushermj
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 1:53pmQuestion: If Marriage is a Societal construct, Should not Society have the right to define it?
Report Post »Locked
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 2:13pm@Paper
Of course. The courts have decided that marriage is a fundamental human right. So, society’s own machinations have the issue decided.
Report Post »paperpushermj
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 2:39pm@locke
Report Post »Some of my Argument against Same Sex is that redefining Marriage can”t logically stop at two. There will be those who will claim“Why not Three”. You seem to be saying “I don’t have a Dog in this Fight”It’s not effecting me and that is short sighted. Marriage is important to the well being of this Society and I would ask you to look down the road 50 or 60 years to a America that does not support Marriage and in fact it has become a quaint old fashioned old thing not fitting into that modern Society.
MONICNE
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 3:50pmI do not see any reason why there can NOT be a marriage of three persons for example as long as they are not gay/**** individuals etc.
Especially since the Constitution is silent about many-gomy but is against homosexuals.
Report Post »TEIN
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 3:51pmMarriage is not a right!!! The gay agenda is to make it a right. If it was a right there would not have to be a marriage certificate you have to pay for, an age limit, a person who has to perform the marriage under the authority of the state, and no restriction on how close a relations you are to the future spouse. It has been left, not to the federal government, but to the state to give the privileged of marriage and who can make the marriage binding….
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 7:09pm@paperpushermj
That is exactly their intent.
Communist goals #26 & #40
http://archive.glennbeck.com/news/03212002.shtml
Report Post »Texas Grasshopper
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 1:01pmhas anybody heard anything concerning the Nebraska Fort Collins Nuke Plant since the 14 th ? …cant find anything on it after June 14 even with a search
Report Post »paperpushermj
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 12:58pmFools: I wonder how long those exception will hold up under constant Judicial attack. They will claim that if a Priest cannot refuse to marry a mixed race couple how could they refuse the request of a same sex couple. They might not win in Court but the Churches legal cost will be high there by sending a message to anyone in the marriage business. Resistance is Futile
Report Post »KPEdwards
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 1:19pmWhat? A priest can refuse to marry people for any reason. Unless I’m missing something, there are still priests who refuse to marry interracial couples. Do you have any example where a priest was forced to marry a couple by the government, or any law that states they have to? I’m sure there are example of government officials being forced to, but I have not heard of one priest ever being forced.
So, your slippery slope argument doesn’t really hold water. Since we haven’t started down such a slope.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 1:23pmKPed is correct. Religious organizations cannot be forced to marry anyone. The bill in questions actually just reinforces the point. Separation of religion and state works both ways.
I think people would be a lot more rational if they simply drew a distinction between governmental marriage and traditional religious marriage.
Report Post »paperpushermj
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 1:25pmYou first. Give one current name, one example of a Priest in this Country refusing to preform a marriage Ceremony to a Mix Race Couple.
Report Post »paperpushermj
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 1:45pm@locked
Report Post »My point is that there are some within the Gay community who feel that they are entitled to everything provided by society to the straight community. That they will bring law suit after law suit to anyone that they feel is in the way of that. FYI I am not in favor of same sex marriage and can articulate that position in depth without the argument being based on just saying “Its against my religion”. Can You?
Locked
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 1:47pm@Paper
Here’s a similar (personal) story: some friends of my family wished to marry. The woman is Catholic, and wished to marry her fiance in the Catholic church. He’s Protestant, but also divorced (not annulled). They were refused, and instead had to have a civil service and get married by a justice of the peace. It was not an unexpected result, but it really hurt my friend, since she loves her husband and her faith.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 2:01pm@Paper
I certainly can. Based on several Supreme Court cases, marriage is shown to be a basic human right. Since marriage is not clearly defined in the US Constitution, it is up to states to decide what that definition means. I, personally, have no issue with gay marriage because it’s not pushed on me or my church – it will be performed by a civil servant. I am not harmed in any way, and churches can refuse to marry couples with whom they disagree. Civil servants can’t, but that’s because they follow the laws of the land, not heaven.
Report Post »paperpushermj
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 2:14pm@ Locked
Report Post »My wife and I where refused by a Priest who was her Cousin for the same reason. But that is comparing Apples to Oranges I know of no Mixed race couple of the same Religion being refused a Marriage Ceremony. My point was and is that once Marriage is redefined by the ruling class, that those who stand in the way will be smacked down and Marriage will be redefined into irrelevancy. Marriage is one of the pillars of our Society and its loss can only be seen as not good for the future America.
TexasArmyMomx2
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 2:37pmLocked, how is that similar to refusing to marry interracial couples?
There is no Canon Law regarding interracial marriage, and that is why you cannot find a recent example of such a thing being refused. This example has nothing to do with race or any subjective opinion of a priest. As the Church views it, *until proven otherwise*, the man is married to someone else. Catholics don’t do polygamy. This is not THE PRIEST, but Canon Law. No matter where they tried to marry within the Church, the answer would have been the same. You, your friend and many others found your friend’s inability to marry an already married man (until proven otherwise… unless you’re saying that the annulment petition was rejected, then it’s a done deal) in the Church objectionable, why wouldn’t others object to the Church’s refusal to marry homosexual couples? That’s against the rules, too.
MJ is right: The Church probably wouldn’t lose in court, but the costs would be high.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 2:57pm@Texas
It’s completely subjective; I think you might be trying to say “The priest can’t decide, it’s a church rule?” It’s the same point – the government can’t force the church to change their policies. According to the US government, the former marriage is no more thanks to the divorce. However, the Catholic church says “If you said the vows once, they last forever.” It is not a fact when it comes to law- it’s the subjective opinion of the church. My friends still got married civilly (and I believe they could have been married in his church).
What’s being debated here is if such a law would force churches to marry people. And the answer is “No, churches can refuse to marry couples on their own subjective grounds.” Racial, religious, gay; any of those are reason enough for a minister or priest to deny a marriage.
Report Post »KPEdwards
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 3:07pmWell, after a bit of searching I admit all I have is anecdotal evidence with no name. So, I will completely take back my assertion that there are still such priests. I over-stepped my point. (The non-anecdotal piece I was thinking of involved a Justice of the Peace – not a religious figure)
However, I stand by my statement that no priest will be forced to perform a marriage as there is no legal way that they can be. I disagree that the examples both you and locked have provided are completely different. A government official cannot refuse to marry two people based on either of their religions, yet a priest can. I think that really it shows that the definition of what constitutes a marriage has already changed long before, and the notion that marriage is defined only in relation to gender is a fallacy.
Report Post »MyeyesRbleeding
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 12:58pm“They can take the job and shove it.” – Sounds like a resignation to me. We accept it. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.
Report Post »let us prey
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 12:57pmThe bill would give same-sex couples an equal right to marry
When was it a right to be married? Agenda pushers are trying to erode America one bill at a time.
Report Post »Give a queen a rope and he wants to be a cowboy. BAghgh
SafeguardOurLiberty
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 1:06pmThe rights are to be able to have the same benefits as heterosexuals. In other words, to be able to be the care giver, or be able to make decisions on health related issues and so on. Those are the rights that come with marriage.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 1:15pm@Let Us Prey
Uh, since at least 1978, when in Zablocki v. Redhail, the justices of the Supreme Court opined that marriage was “a fundamental right.” Even before then, in the case Loving v. Virginia (1967), the SCotUS opined: “Marriage is one of the ”basic civil rights of man,” fundamental to our very existence.”
So… yeah, the court says it is a right.
Report Post »let us prey
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 2:05pmThe debate on “equal rights” has become the path for special favors for all sorts of groups. It was a given that gay groups would follow this path too. The gay groups have had success in taking money from the government for aids. When do we stop the game of equal rights from leading to favors.
What this really is about is the approval of homosexuality [agenda driven], as a tool to condone the lifestyle.
Report Post »I mean they are already spreading this in the public schools. Where will it stop?
Git-R-Done
Posted on June 20, 2011 at 4:58am@ Locked
So if marriage is a fundamental human right, that means you have to accept polygamy, incest, bestiality, and other alternative forms of marriage in addition to gay marriage.
Report Post »ZAP
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 12:56pmmarriage is an union between a man and a women,as CHRIST is in union with man.
Report Post »MONICNE
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 1:04pmThis sounds like what those Catholics say whenever their gay priests take over and need to be abolished, often in upstate New York where there are no gays (they are contained in NYC).
Report Post »olddog
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 12:54pmThis is a complete joke, there are no republicans in New York…
Report Post »Texas Grasshopper
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 2:14pmthey are in all in houston with the mayor
Report Post »gramma b
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 12:52pmJust because they have an obviously dysfunctional urge to imitate intercourse with a person lacking the appropriate accoutrements is no reason that they should be allowed to imitate marriage. The inmates have taken over the asylum.
Report Post »solaveritas
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 1:05pmGood point, Gramma B
Report Post »IMITATION sexuality proves from the outset that they can only be involved in an IMITATION marriage (which is not marriage at all).
LtdGovt
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 2:30pm@Zombie
Report Post »You know your comment shows exactly what is wrong with the left. It is rude, disrespectful and filled with hate. It shows that you fail to recognize that there ARE indeed absolutes-immutable laws that cannot be changed; instead, you grab onto the lowest rung of the ladder and strive to attain no further. You bask in relativism and that, in the end, will be your undoing. The comment you made should make you ashamed but I fear that shame is beyond you. Sad. You are a commentary on how our society has degraded to such an unbelievable low compared to the lofty heights the founders sought for us to live up to. Thanks for being the poster boy for everything that is wrong and disgusting. I hope someday God’s grace will shine on you.
gramma b
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 2:40pmWhatever you think about the morality of the situation — and I believe in traditional morality — sexual attraction, sexual intercourse, and the complementary genitalia of the sexes all have an obvious biological purpose. The urge to imitate intercourse with a person of the same sex is an obvious dysfunction. I’m not Catholic, but I agree 100 percent with the Catholic description of homosexuality as “objectively disordered.”
I believe in traditional morality because I believe it comes from God. But, even if it did not come from God, it was developed over millenia because virtually all societies learned from experience that it is important to keep parents together with their children, and to encourage intact families.
Report Post »LtdGovt
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 3:28pmThere is no better argument that can be made for marriage than the testimony of time, history and basic biology. To endorse and legitimize same sex marriage flies in the face of that. Parental units comprising of a mother and father have been the genetic norm. Homosexuality, when embraced by societies in history has been a contributor to the downfall of those societies. It was symptomatic of a greater moral and ethical apathy. We are faced, in this country with tipping point. We have corrupted and continually dumb down our educational system, and failed to teach the lessons of our forefather’s to our children. We are on the verge of paying a terrible price for that. We are a nation who is now trying to rouse itself from it’s slumber and correct our course before it carries us over the proverbial cliff. What two people do behind closed doors is their business and they will have to give an account for their actions to the Supreme Judge. Homosexual marriage is not an “unalienable right.” In fact, it is an oxymoron.
Report Post »noline
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 12:51pmI oppose letting government regulate marriage.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 1:07pmAmen. Government should not be involved in the marriage process; but since they are, equality is the lesser of evils. If it’s secular marriage, why should I, as a religious voter, give a flying fig?
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 1:39pm@Locked
Was is necessary to add the “religious voter” qualifier to your comment?
Or are you just trying to show the world that some “religious folk” can be tolerant and understanding.
Troll
Report Post »Locked
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 1:58pmDear Billy,
You’ve never written a post in response to mine other than to accuse me of trolling. So tell me: if the government is non-religious in nature, why should I care what non-religious marriage is? All that matters to me, as a Christian, is that people who and accept Christ. If they want to have a secular marriage outside of the church anyway, they can. It does not harm me in any way.
Capiche?
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 3:28pm@Locked
I call you a troll, because I am not blind.
You, “as a Christian” can answer your own questions.
I really like your ( “personal” ) story about your friends, (further down the page).
It adds a nice little touch and adds credibility to your argument, doesn’t it?
Right out of the troll handbook.
You did not understand the last time I said………“If only the current administration were as transparent as you”
Capisce?
Report Post »Locked
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 3:41pmYeah,
You don’t have any valid reasoning, and just want to pretend my opinions don’t matter, or that I’m not real, or some sort of… aberration? Unfortunately for your delusions, I’m not a troll. Until you start offering some actual thoughts, facts, or even your own opinions on the matters at hand, I’m going to have to conclude you are in fact the one trolling. Best of luck :)
Report Post »GiveUsJustice
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 3:54pmSo locked, where do you stand with Gay Marriage.
Just curious. And I‘m not concerned that you aren’t concerned with it, you have to have an opinion (if you are claiming to be a Christian)
Report Post »MONICNE
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 4:09pmBilly seems to judge so many people that sometimes I think there are only two kinds of posts –
1- Rights of Billy
2- TROLLS
Billy you are getting to be obnoxious
That would be Trollish behavior – YES I said it!
Report Post »Patrick in AZ
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 4:16pm@TheRightsOfbiLLy – looks like you might be a closet TROLL yourself
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 6:03pmOuy truh ym sgnileef encinom
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 6:06pmOooops,
Uoy
Report Post »valarie
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 12:49pmStay classy, RINO.
Report Post »Carl1 Supports Israel
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 12:47pmHey Roy, It was ADAM AND EVE, NOT ADAM AND STEVE!! Marriage is and will always be One man and one Woman!!!! Hope Ole Roy is voted out soon!
Report Post »randy
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 12:53pmRepublican New York State Senator Roy McDonald ? He’s not a Republican! Freaking RINO
Report Post »noline
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 12:55pmPeople can arrange themselves in what ever manner they want. We shouldn‘t allow the state to tell us what is or isn’t allowed when it comes to marriage. Marriage is a commitment between people and GOD, not People and STATE.
Report Post »lewbrown
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 12:58pmIn New York, they will probably Knight the guy. Back in 1966 I spent some time in New York and thought the people were pretty nice, although they would look the other way when a crime happened. Now, my old Ship the USS Intrepid is there and the wife ask why I didn’t go and see it. As much as I would like to I can’t think of one other thing I want to see in New York.
Report Post »solaveritas
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 1:01pmThis is getting old, but the battle must be fought to save our children from confusion, and the country from ruin.
All citizens have the right to contract. Civil Union contracts, Domestic Partnership contracts,…. those should be allowed to same-sex persons.
MARRIAGE, by historic, biological, and spiritual definition … is reserved to the union of one man and one woman.
Gays don’t really seek marriage, they seek “legitimization”. But, if we give them the title of marriage, the next dominoes will fall, including teaching our young children that homosexuality is just as normal as heterosexuality. The rest of the dominoes fall after that.
Let us be compassionate to homosexuals that find their hearts and minds outside of the obvious common sense of God’s design (tab A fits into slot B), and help them coexist in peace and love, but NOT do so by redefining marriage, and allowing the government to force our children to go to schools where they are indoctrinated into a life-view that is a lie.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 1:01pmThe guy’s a straight-talker (heh, pun), but it will probably blast him out of his position. It’s too bad; he should be applauded at least for saying “this is what I feel is right, and that‘s how I’ll vote.”
Report Post »AKMIIKEUS
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 1:01pmI could care less if gays want to marry or not.
To each his own.
I just love the fact that Gay marriage will eventually happen in all 50 states and that it drives the Blazers and the Tea Bags crazy.
It drove the South crazy when segragation ended.
65% of 18-30 years old support gay marriage.
54% of people support gay marriage.
I’m all for equal rights and whatever drives the Right bonkers.
Report Post »cessna152
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 1:05pm@noline
Correct… I don’t want the government knowing my status either. I am a married man (Christian) and the heck with these freaking tax write offs, just take your 9% (TOTAL of all taxes), protect the borders, have a few government departments for roads, Military and minimal over site and that’s it! Marriage is between Me, God and the Church…end of story!
The only reason they do this, btw, is so they can teach it in school and force Churches to marry them. Which will cause Church fights….and division.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 1:08pmSo did he really quit? .. .I would have taken the “They can take the job and shove it. “ at his word and escorted him from his ”old” job. He is there to represent his constituents .. not his own — if he feels so strongly then he should quit.
TEA!
Report Post »sbish
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 1:08pmAt least they are having the debate at the appropriate level of government. 50 States, 50 independent agendas, not 1 monolithic social agenda for the entire country. Article 1, Section 8, it‘s all right there and I don’t see anything about regulating marriage, which means it falls under the 10th Amendment. States and people are to dictate the legality of this issue.
Report Post »fastfacts
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 1:20pmYeah, he’s going to get a lot of votes.
Did you hear about Weiner’s plan. ( http://tiny.cc/hud9t ) Governor of NY worked it out with him to delay the special election 3-months, this will give him plenty of time to ‘get help’, pay attention to his family, and then run for his old seat. This has an added benefit for him, he will bypass any ethics probe. Sounds like a democrat, right?
Report Post »MONICNE
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 1:23pmI have also heard more than once that there are no Homos in Israel. Not allowed, not welcome.
Report Post »Cheekymnky2
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 1:26pmI don’t understand why the government has to be involved in this at all. Marriage is a spiritual process, so let the church decide who can and cannot be married in their churches. If you want the state to recognize you, have a civil union. The state should not recognize ANY marriage (traditional or alternative) if you really want to have the beloved left’s “separation of church and State.”
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 1:29pmHey AK
65% of 18-30 year olds don’t know how many people out of a hundred, 65% is.
Report Post »Aaron in Polk County
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 1:31pmWhy is everone so adamant about marriage being between a man and woman?
If anyone wants to answer, “Because God says so.” Your too far gone to have an intelligent debate with me.
Report Post »Aaron in Polk County
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 1:32pmCrap, here comes the grammar police.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 1:36pm@Monicne
Not sure what you meant exactly, but Israel is actually one of the most pro-gay places in Asia (and definitely the most gay-friendly in the Middle East). They don’t have gay marriage, but that‘s because civil marriage doesn’t exist in Israel (it’s a Jewish state). They do, however, recognize any marriage from another country.
Report Post »AmericanSince1619
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 1:42pmMatthew 22
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
John 13:34
34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
John 8:7
So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
So since you took a biblical stance…I ask you this. can you find a biblical basis for condemning homosexuality that trumps the words and actions of Jesus Himself that commands Christians to act with Love, and by extension to act with compassion?
The reality of preventing Homosexual legal unions is that your neighbors are denied being covered under their partner’s health insurance and hospital visitation rights. Denying these things does not demonstrate compassion or the Love as commanded by Christ.
If you can’t explain it to me, how will you explain it when you are judged?
Report Post »End The Fed
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 1:50pm“I’m all for equal rights and whatever drives the Right bonkers.”
So, I can assume that you’re for communism, big government, out of control spending, illegal porn, illegal immigration, human trafficking, jihad, and the decline of western civilization?
And against, American values, sovereignty, the US Constitution?
BTW, the far left does not not believe on equal rights and justice; they believe in SOCIAL rights and justice.
If you you don’t like it, you can go live in North Korea, Iran, or Cuba. Moron.
Report Post »Classical Liberal
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 2:00pm@Aaron in Polk County,
You want an intelligent debate about the right of same sex couples to “marry”? Let me ask you this; what is Marriage? What does it mean for a couple to be married? What is the purpose of a couple being married? How are these concepts different when applied to a same sex couple? How are they the same?
You answere these questions and get yourself some perspective on the issue, then we can have an intelligent debate.
Report Post »grandmaof5
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 2:01pmRINO in Republican clothing who speaks out both sides of his mouth. Is he an Arnold wanna be and is there a nanny involved – or maybe a young male driver?
Report Post »Exrepublisheep
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 2:02pmNot following the company line. Thats a spankin.
Report Post »Meyvn
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 2:02pmThis is really getting gay.
Report Post »Texas Grasshopper
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 2:08pm@ aaron
How is this for starters ..ya know it comes down to this ,,,,what you seek in this is complete anarchy of Society . This is the law since time began . We American are a tolerant people but the time of you pushing your filth on me is over hoss ! Mariage is between Gos and a man and a woman. If you want a civil union or something fine ..but it DOES matter. And keep the filth away from me and my family ..I wont persecute for your filth but you cannot make me ever accept it in MY LIFE .
The position of the husband in the home and his related responsibilities are quite clearly defined in principle in Ephesians 5:22, 28-31. “Wives submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is head of the wife, even as Christ is head of the church; and he is the savior of the body. Therefore as the church is subject to Christ, so let wives be to their own husbands in everything. Husbands, love your wife as Christ also loved the church and gave himself for it . . . So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. For no man ever yet hated his own flesh but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church . . . For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother and shal.1 be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh”.
Report Post »quicker
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 2:13pmHe`d be a liberal democrat here in Texas,My wife has a sister and other family in N Y.And I got family in PA.Sure am glad we came here to Texas.Sometimes my wife would like to move closer ,but I love Texas to much so since I cater so much to her we`re staying here.
Report Post »Patrick in AZ
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 2:17pmIf institutions (i.e. churches) are not forced to provide same sex marriages and individuals are not required to perform same sex marriages in order to be licensed to perform marriages, how does same sex marriage harm anyone else?
Report Post »ZOMBIE JESUS LOVES ME
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 2:18pmTEXAS GRASSHOPPER, why do people like you assume that gay couples want anything to do with you and your inbred family!
Gees!
Report Post »cessna152
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 2:22pm@ZOMBIE JESUS LOVES ME
Hey dope, care to explain the difference between “Equal Rights” and “Equal Freedom”? You continue to confuse the two and they are both completely different things. If one has equal rights then that means they have “forced rights” or an unfair FORCED advantage over someone else. How is that equal?
However, Equal Freedom means we ALL have equal opportunity to succeed or fail… that is EQUAL.
Dope…
Report Post »cemerius
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 2:32pmDon’t worry folks the “school system” is doing a wonderful job as well as our “beloved” TV producers in making the gay lifestyle into the main stream of the country……Keep sleeping and while you sleep our children are taken from us through their “planned exploit” in the schools…….For those of you “liberal plants” that say “marriage is between the individuals and God” so be it! But God is NOT the one giving “tax breaks” and THAT is what this is ALL ABOUT!!! By the way Ancient Rome died because of issues like this……….keep loading these “stones” on the USS America and she will surely sink to the bottom where even Somolia will have a better income/outlook that the USA has……
Report Post »Bluebonnet
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 2:56pmWell, there‘s one stinkin’ repub. I’d never vote for, but wait, I don’t live in N.Y., thank you Lord ! I love the West, where men are men and women are women, and the buffalo roam.
Report Post »DTOM_Jericho (escaped PA)
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 2:57pmMarriage, Scripturally speaking, is not a state, local or federal institution. It is not a man reciting some words. Any legislation concerning marriage or abortion should be removed from the federal level. Let local communities decide for themselves. There should be no federal tax breaks for married couples of any kind.
(I am hetero, married, and a raging constitutionalist who believes in what christians refer to as “jesus”)
Blaze, for the love of Weiner, please fix your comment and login systems.
Report Post »GiveUsJustice
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 3:50pmI’m still waiting for the “bible quoters” that are pointing out scripture that we should just love each other and judging “Christians” that don’t believe in gay marriage, to actually POINT OUT the scripture that says men should be with men and women should be with women.
Until that quote his this reply, please stop quoting the bible and acting like “Christians”.
Thanks
Report Post »101
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 4:05pmWhoever’s playing The Blaze censorship police today, needs to relax & read things twice before you refuse to post it!
Report Post »TumbleBumble
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 4:16pmAMERICANSINCE1619 ~
I am wondering if you know the Bible or have plucked verses to back up what you believe. I say that only because that is usually the case with those who try to justify homosexuality.
You mention John 8:7
“So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.” But the most important part of what Jesus said was at the end, which you did not include – “Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.” Note – Leave Your Life Of Sin. He did not give the woman His approval to continue living her life the same way. Homosexuals will be forgiven if they repent and turn from their sin.
John 8:34 “Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin.”
Romans 8:7 “the sinful mind is hostile to God. It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so.”
Romans 1:26-27 “Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.”
Christians should lovingly show homosexuals the error in their ways. But to ignore the sin is deadly and does not show love whatsoever.
Report Post »freeus
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 4:40pmThe sad truth is that he doesn’t care. Unfortunately, Mr. McDonald doesn’t know right from wrong. Let’s change everything for the small percentage of perverts.
Report Post »WeDontNeedNoStinkingBadges
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 5:13pmATTENTION THEBLAZE!!
J-Law: “I hate this commenting system setup where everybody replies to the first post because they know their posts will never be seen on page 3 or 4. I didn‘t say anything for the first few months of The Blaze but we’ve had time to get a more appropriate, efficient, and EFFECTIVE comment system in place. Get to it, guys.”
TheBlaze, hire someone who has SOME experience in graphic arts & webpage design AT LONG LAST! Dump the ridiculous 5-times-too-big fonts, the awkward & nonstandard commenting system, the absurd everything-on-one-page, et al, ad nauseam!! This whole thing looks like some kind of supermarket tabloid rag. Therefore I’m citing you for “publishing without talent” … see the judge and pay the fine (Cass Sunstein loves you).
Report Post »Eblaze44
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 5:30pmAND, that is the bottom line – HOMOSEXUALs really don’t care what you think.
Report Post »JRook
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 6:30pmGuess when the economy is bad the wealthy and big corporations can only afford so much when buying both sides of the isle. Ignorance and low class actually used to keep one out of politics, now you can get elected as governor and even run for president……. or just make money buy saying Paul Revere was warning the British.
Report Post »HKS
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 7:55pmPeople know right from wrong, Can’t make your own rules. The boss is like the Purolator man, pay me now or pay me later, but you will pay me. I.E., no free lunches.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 8:20pm@JROOK
I agree, you can’t get much more low class than Clinton, can you?
And how long are you going to keep repeating lies, even after they have been proven not to be?
Report Post »proantisocialist
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 9:04pmhe should go to the world health orginization web site and see how many people die,contract(some from transfusions) this deadly disease each year he would change his mind..
more die each year from aid then smoking if we could only tax it..
Report Post »MidWestMom
Posted on June 17, 2011 at 9:34pm@ – GiveUsJustice
Leviticus 18:22
New International Version (©1984)
“‘Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.
New Living Translation (©2007)
“Do not practice homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman. It is a detestable sin.
English Standard Version (©2001)
You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
‘You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.
GOD’S WORD® Translation (©1995)
Never have sexual intercourse with a man as with a woman. It is disgusting.
King James Bible
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination.
American King James Version
You shall not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
American Standard Version
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
Bible in Basic English
You may not have sex relations with men, as you do with women: it is a disgusting thing.
Douay-Rheims Bible
Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind, because it is an abomination.
Darby Bible Translation
And thou shalt not lie with mankind as one lieth with a woman: it is an abomination.
English Revised Version
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
Webster’s Bible Translation
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
World English Bible
Report Post »“‘You shal
avenger
Posted on June 18, 2011 at 7:10amroy is another useful fool for the libs that will loose his job in the next election.
Report Post »one years food ration like glenn says
Posted on June 18, 2011 at 9:07am@AKMIIKEUS.. You COULD care less ? How much more can you care less about it ? You idiot.. Go back to school, this forum is for the bright thinking mind, not dribbles from a white man hater..
Report Post »imreddog
Posted on June 18, 2011 at 1:27pmREF: People can arrange themselves in what ever manner they want. We shouldn‘t allow the state to tell us what is or isn’t allowed when it comes to marriage. Marriage is a commitment between people and GOD, not People and STATE.
God is not and never will condone homosexuallity. People that are involved in this type of filthy activity quite obviously don’t fear God… if they did, they wouldn’t do it. Q-ears want acceptance! They won’t get if from me or my God.
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