‘Project Gunrunner’ Update: Rep. Darrell Issa Subpoenas the Federal Government
- Posted on April 1, 2011 at 5:44pm by
Emily Esfahani Smith
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Rep. Darrell Issa, the California Republican who is Chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, told CBS News that he has subpoenaed documents from the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) regarding Project Gunrunner. The ATF, which is in the Justice Department, has so far refused to release information about the “gunrunner” controversy.
Republican Rep. Darrell Issa fired off a subpoena Friday to the Justice Department agency in the middle of a cross-border gun sales operation that has been blamed for a massive flow of arms to Mexican drug cartels and possibly the death of a U.S. border agent.
Issa, chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, demanded the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives provide him documents related to “Project Gunrunner” after the agency failed to respond to questions by a Wednesday deadline.
“The unwillingness of this administration — most specifically the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms — to answer questions about this deadly serious matter is deeply troubling,” Issa said in a written statement. “Allegations surrounding this program are serious and the ability of the Justice Department to conduct an impartial investigation is in question. Congressional oversight is necessary to get the truth about what is really happening.”….
In his statement Friday, Issa said the president did not specify whether Holder was aware of the policy or who did authorize it.
“One of the questions we always ask is who is lying,” Issa told Fox News earlier this week. ”We lose our credibility if we don’t come clean and make the changes necessary to save lives on both sides of the border.”
The subpoena orders ATF to provide documents to the committee by April 13 or face a contempt of Congress charge.
Project Gunrunner, as The Blaze reported here, allowed buyers to illegally purchase guns in the United States and smuggle them to Mexico. Though the stated purpose of this project was to keep guns from getting into the hands of Mexican gangs–by tracking the movement of these illegally bought guns–it turns out that around 1,700 guns, “including hundreds of AK-47s and high-powered, armor-piercing .50-caliber“ were actually ”walked” into Mexico, as Fox News reports.
What were the consequences of that? According to The Blaze’s initial report:
One unidentified agent reportedly argued with his superior over the controversial and dangerous policy asking, “Are you prepared to go to the funeral of a federal officer killed with one of these guns?” Another agent noted that every time there was a report of shooting near the border, “we would all hold our breath, hoping it wasn‘t one of ’our’ guns.”
When U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was gunned down last December, serial numbers on two assault rifles found at the scene matched weapons the ATF had allowed a “suspicious buyer” to purchase.
CBS initially broke the story here.
Rep. Issa wants to know what roll the ATF played in this smuggling operation, but so far the agency has stonewalled his request for information. As a next step, Issa subpoenaed the ATF. Issa wants to know who is responsible for Project Gunrunner. As he says in the CBS interview below, “People in agencies knew about it and didn’t take action…that same individual [responsible for Project Gunrunner] theoretically could be approving some other misconduct that would cause Americans to lose their lives.”




















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Katayno
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 6:30pmAnd the best part of the Obama Regime is their “transperity!”
Report Post »ICANHANDLETHETRUTH
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Report Post »ICANHANDLETHETRUTH
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 6:28pmAnd who said this administration was not transparent ????????????? What a freakin JOKE they are.
Report Post »commonsenseguy
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 6:47pm@icanhandlethetruth. about as transparent as a bucket of axle grease!!!!!!
Report Post »chasbronson
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 6:28pmThese fools who call themselves the government are screwing the People. There is some inside deal on this one.
Report Post »LB
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 6:28pmCome on, Blaze! I love you, but please get a proofreader!!
Report Post »BoilitDown
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 6:24pmAnother one example of our lawless government. Perhaps I should say that they behave as though the law does not apply to them. Of course, this is nothing new, it didn’t start with the Obama administration. It’s just more bold and frequent as time goes on. They just don’t even seem to care if they get caught anymore.
Report Post »geonj
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 6:21pmwhy won’t ATF comply? because they are guilty of criminal behavior. as may be the justice department as a whole and perhaps the whitehouse. no other reason not to be completely transparent.ATF was complicit in the deaths of a border agent and an ICE agent.
Report Post »Santafeconservative
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 6:16pmJeanniemac: I have to say I absolutely agree with you. The only thing that’s holding him back for full bore destruction is the ambition for re-election. If he gets voted for a 2nd term, he and his pals are going to put a torch to this country. In a way that will make even the “Aw, it’s all good” Liberals’ jaws drop open.
Report Post »NeoFan
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 6:15pmThis story had been reported several weeks before the anti-American press (CBS) picked it up.
Report Post »Ellbee
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 6:09pms l o o o o w l y, s l o o o w l y the nefarious plans come to light. Just keep digging–keep chipping away at these findings, these plans to destroy us from every angle. We can win our country back.
Report Post »KevINtampa
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 6:07pmAnd now watch the left use the “illegally obtained weapons” in Mexico incident in their fight to make it harder for citizens to exercise their God given right to bear and possess arms. I’m beginning to think the citizens of this country need to start fighting for gun control, only instead of limiting access to private citizens, we need to limit the government agencies’ access to weapons. What a bunch of bumbling idiots we have running the show right now; And to think I never thought a government could fumble as badly as the Bush administration…boy was I wrong.
Report Post »Texas woman56
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 6:04pmI don’t know which is worse: guns sent to try to get gun laws changed in this country or Obama adm does not know what is going on and is just sending thousands of guns to the cartel.
Report Post »Is this adm. doing anything correctly, just one thing?
Ellbee
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 6:12pmI’m thinking…
Report Post »Ellbee
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 6:14pmummmmmmmm
Report Post »miles from nowhere
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 6:02pmIf you have to shut down congress to get to the bottom of this problem and throw the whole damn lot behind bars is fine with me. I want to know the original intent of this Gun Runner program, because I feel that Obama and Eric Holder were trying to use this move to weaken our Second Amendment gun rights in the US.
Report Post »flagbearer
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 7:09pm@MilesFromNowhere
Add Hillary‘s name to the list and I think you’ve hit the nail on its head.
Report Post »mrclean
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 8:12pmBingo!
Further, we need to vote out 95% of Congress for starters. Executive and Judicial branches are next for a massive clean out. Maybe by 2020 we’ll get the Republic back as intended with the original constitution.
Report Post »dcwu
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 6:02pmMr. Iss, please shutter ATF.
Report Post »Zero it’s budget and terminate every last employee.
This agency was responsible for the Ruby Ridge and Waco mass murders, and as a result of the Waco murders, caused Timothy McVeigh to lose it and commit the Oklahoma Federal Building bombing. They are mass murderers comparable in every way to Hitler‘s SS and the Soviet Union’s secret police. This is an unconstitutional criminal agency that has committed horrendous crimes and should not only be closed down but should also have all former officers prosecuted fully for their crimes and condignly punished.
Dannowood
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 9:33pmThankyou. I can think of at least a dozen other agencies that need to be defunded.
Report Post »Fina Biscotti
Posted on April 2, 2011 at 4:14pmbtw, Timothy McVeigh joined up with a radical Muslim terrorist cell – that McVEIGH was financing with his skills as a BANK ROBBER – and providing escape routes in and out of the USA through Washington State.
The Oklahoma City bombing in 1995 was another Radical Muslim Terrorist attack on US soil – with McVeigh as the front straw man/scapegoat –
that began being planned when the 1993 WTC bombing was a failure – to bring the towers down – from the basement.
The Democrat Party’s CLINTON Administration concealed this from the American people – as well as the witness – to McVeigh’s involvement with the terrorist cell – was murdered while in custody.
A lawsuit was filed by the witness’ family – against Clinton – that established that democrat president Bill Clinton covered-up the murder of the witness while in custody.
That is WHY the Clintons were happy to have the circus-atmosphere distraction of the Monica Lewinsky scandal.
It was also a great SMOKESCREEN for the whistleblower complaint of Clinton and Gore threatening State Department officials – to FALSIFY US government documents – to further conceal the sale of classified information to COMMUNIST China – from our US missle program = CHINAGATE.
The Clintons and Al Gore should be in PRISON as TRAITORS to our country – and face the appropriate action!!!!
Report Post »Legal Immigrant
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 6:01pmCBS DID NOT BREAK THE STORY.
A blogger did.
CBS DOES NOT DESERVE ANY CREDIT.
Report Post »HOPEYCHANGY
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 6:37pmThat is correct. Moreover, Se. Grassley has been blown off for his formal requests for info.
Personally, this goes right to Holder, who doesn‘t even pass gas without The Anointed One’s wink and nod. That’s also why Sen. Reid is holding up the confirmation hearings of new head of ATF(and really big fires), Andrew Traver.
This makes Watergate, seem like a,…..well a Tea Party…..(wink).
Report Post »Wolf
Posted on April 2, 2011 at 7:27pmRight you are… “Bloggers”- the new and more correct news media.
Report Post »Clara88
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 5:56pmThrow the book at em!!!! :)
Report Post »heavyduty
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 5:55pmMy thought is that we shouldn’t be selling guns across the border anyway for any reason. Let the countries make their own weapons. Either that or sell them blanks to go with the guns.
Report Post »Wolf
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 10:50pmHD- we aren‘t ’selling guns across the border’- they’re being smuggled across, with help of little o’s ATF.
Report Post »What we shouldn’t be doing is allowing illegals to cross the border in either direction. It‘s time for real Americans to get our act together and start protecting what’s ours before al quieda smuggles in a nuke or two or more- if they haven’t already.
Guerrino_P
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 12:44pm@ HEAVYDUTY
Report Post »The US Military, US Border Patrol and US Immigration and Naturalization Service uses the ‘Beretta 92’ semi-automatic pistol. It’s made in Italy. Judging by your name and photo, it looks like you eat a lot of pasta. So I guess you’re giving these guys a pass for not buying American.
Guerrino_P
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 12:48pmHey HEAVYDUTY, for what it’s worth, I like pasta too. I make a great tomato sauce. Let me know if you want the recipe and post it on this site.
Report Post »bitter clinger
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 5:54pmalqueda in lybia should sue the atf too. they are the rightful owners
Report Post »randy
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 5:54pmWhen U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was gunned down last December, serial numbers on two assault rifles found at the scene matched weapons the ATF had allowed a “suspicious buyer” to purchase.
SOMEONE NEEDS TO GO TO JAIL!!!! OBAMA?
Report Post »islandlady
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 10:42pmDitto, Someone needs to go to Jail.
Report Post »jackboydspeaksout
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 5:52pmObama said he didn’t know about it. Could the ATF be covering for him? The Transparancy award winner!!
Report Post »JEANNIEMAC
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 5:59pmObama will not protect our borders because he wants terrorists to enter. His whole administration’s aim is to destroy our nation. Can we wait until 2012 for him to do more damage? We have to at least demand that our representatives start recall, impeachment, etc. Whatever it takes to rid ourselves of this usurper.
Report Post »loweralabama
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 5:52pmIt’s obvious. Our federal government and Obummer was supplying arms to the cartels so they would have another excuse to try arms control on our citizens. Problem is they got caught with their hand in the till. Holder should be in prison for conspiracy to murder a border agent. This goes all the way to the top. Count on it.
Report Post »Strictlybusiness
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 6:57pm@ LOWERALABAMA
You got it right…. This administration is so corrupt……There is NO TRUTH IN THEM ! ! ! THEY ARE
THE DARK SIDE, DEVILS,DEMONDS,SORCERERS. SOMETHING WICKED THIS WAY COMES….
Report Post »walkwithme1966
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 7:13pmI just love this site for the conspiracy theories that some of you come up with – you guys are great! I wonder if Glenn gets any of his material from you guys!! http://maboulette.wordpress.com
Report Post »varptr
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 7:56pmThis looks like the Ollie North thing but arming the leftists instead of the democracy guys. You might even find a left wing Jon Lovitz lookalike or an Ollie clone yelling “no pictures, no pictures”. Dig deeper, deeper. We want to see weasel boy losing his lunch in the tabloids.
Report Post »taebaggranny
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 10:27pm@ LOWERALABAMA Maybe that’s why Hilery has made a deal with the U N to take control of the issuing of permits to the citizens of these United States when you want to buy a gun and they will also require you to registar all the guns that you own now with the INTERNATIONAL ARMS AGENCY…How’s that grab ya??
Report Post »Maji
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 5:51pmHe needs to get about thirty “US MARSHELLS” and walk it in the BAFTA’s director office.
Report Post »Maji
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 6:04pmSorry ….Marshalls
Report Post »RIGHTNOTLEFT
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 6:49pmYesssss!
Report Post »AmeriWoman
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 5:51pmAbsolutely incredible. And now for moths they will refuse to show up and comply.
Our government is completely being run by crooks and thieves. 2012 cannot get
here fast enough folks, we better pray we can even survive this year.
AW
Report Post »Sevens
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 6:40pmTime to get your pitch forks out folks… something is rotten and those who defend this present collection of theives and crooks in the White House are looking to divide and conquer this republic. These are the “Enemies from With in that our Constiution talks about”. If you are reading this and your in Law enforcement I hope and pray to God your aware of the “laws that are being broken by this adminsitration” and are ready to PROTECT the people as the people will be behind you. If you are in the military I pray to God that you disobey all unlawful and lawful orders coming from this NON COMMANDER and Theif . Listen most that voted for Obama were just pawns.. pay attention to the rooks and the damn queen!!!
Report Post »Wolf
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 10:57pmYou don’t really believe a 2012 election will make any difference?
Report Post »MODEL82A1
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 5:50pmSubpoena THIS administration? Good luck with that.
Report Post »heavyduty
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 5:53pmDarn, you beat me to it. I was going to say “GOOD LUCK WITH THAT!!!!” Good reply.
Report Post »So
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 7:33pmThank goodness someone is standing up to this administration.
Watch your back, Mr. Issa. You are dealing with political thugs.
I hope you remain safe.
Report Post »Smitty1969
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 7:45pmSupplying the Rebels Obama? Why fund them when you can corrupt the ATF’s mission!
Report Post »home_of_the_brave
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 5:50pmThank you Issa!
Report Post »cheezwhiz
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 5:56pmRep. Issa wants to know what roll the ATF played
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I hope it wasn’t a garlic roll, because that would stink ;-)
ISeeDanger.com
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 5:59pmSounds like a movie…
“Project Gun Runner”
Staring Eric Holder
http://www.ISeeDanger.com
Report Post »Shoot-To-Kill
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 5:59pmThis is the most criminal administration in the history of the U.S. They just do anything they want with no consequences. It’s time for the citizens in this great country to stand up and do what is necessary!
Report Post »ottodiedacktick
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 6:09pmI thought they (U.S. Gov’t) had forgotten about the whole thing. What’s a few assault weapons traded between friends? Is this another case of Tea Partiers killing government officials?
Report Post »AzDebi
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 6:10pmYou go Issa! Yeah…and don‘t stop till you’ve gone all the way to the TOP!
Report Post »Gold Coin & Economic News
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 6:13pmI hope Issa latches onto this like a lockjaw BULLDAWG! Go get em and DON’T let go.
Report Post »VegasGuy
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 6:16pmKudos to Issa! If he can dig deep enough he is going to find that far left gun haters created this program so they could stir up a “gun crisis” leading to more gun control. This is so outrageous it makes my blood boil.
Report Post »13th Imam
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 6:17pm” In a letter, the Holder/Obama Justice Dept ,which oversees the ATF agency has never KNOWINGLY ( Did George Bush fool these idiots again?? ) allowed the sale of assault weapons to suspected gunrunners.” What did OBAMA ? And what did HOLDER? know and when did they know it?
Report Post »Chicago Ray
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 6:23pmyea they did f that sentence up… :(
Report Post »cheezwhiz
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 6:31pmSo within the last 2 weeks,
Report Post »we have proof that Obama has been
1. arming alqaeda
2. arming mexican drug cartels
and yet NO ONE in the media is questioning him about it ?
Is aiding and abetting the country’s enemies now a Presidential mandate ?
cheezwhiz
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 6:34pmAzDebi
Report Post »You go Issa! Yeah…and don‘t stop till you’ve gone all the way to the TOP!
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And make Rhambo testify too….this has his cunningness written all over it
SLAPTHELEFT
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 6:34pmThank you Mr. Issa. For Gods sake, where are all the statesman? Why do we have just a handful of people who are using their elected position to do the right thing. We stand by you Mr. Issa and you, Mr. Chaffetz.We stand by you Mr. Wayne LaPierre. Do not waver. Do not concede. Seek the truth.
And FYI to all you anti 2nd amendment a-holes- shake in your boots because all of your lies are about to be exposed. And We the People of the NRA will be watching.
Report Post »jhaydeng
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 6:39pmOne guy you don’t want to lie to! He will find out eventually!
Report Post »Rogue
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 6:46pmThe other story recently about guns is that the cartels are planning to kill border agents by firing at them from across the border with high-powered rifles – it won’t be a surprise when it is determined some of these ATF guns are being used to snipe our agents.
What I’d like to know is, how were they supposed to “track” these guns once they were sold? It’s not like they had GPS in them or anything – they just sold stock guns to shady folks. the only way to track them is after the fact, when the guns are found and have already been used for who-knows-what. Hopefully their sucess rate is better than 2 guns found for each border patrol officer murdered.
Report Post »Strictlybusiness
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 6:50pm@ ISeeDanger.com
It does sound like a movie but the STAR is obama !!!!!! He knew all about this, from the start to finish. This will be this administrations down fall, this is obamas WATERGATE. Its so sad WATERGATE was NOTHING compared to this international incident, to include multiple murders of our own men, Just so they could ultimately get a gun controll law to ban all guns in this country.
Report Post »ME
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 7:00pmThis story will go no ware, I would love to think different but there is no way in with our current government that this will go any further then the frannie and freddie or the panthers party at the polling station or…
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 7:04pmGod above let the truth come out, and anyone who has broken the laws of the land be prosecuted to the fullest and if found guilty, given the maximum fines and time.
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 7:37pm@abc,
It was probably AP that “broke” it, first.
Media begins noticing ‘Project Gunwalker’
Report Post »http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-national/media-begins-noticing-project-gunwalker
SavingtheRepublic.com
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 7:56pmDitto on that and he means well but as long as Holder is in place nothing is going to get done. This is by far the most corrupt admin I have seen in my life. Some may disagree but thats just my opinion.
This was an attempt by the powers that be to boost the number of US guns used in Mexico violence to justify a crackdown on US gun owners, shops and regs. That said you can be sure Issa will encounter reinforced concrete steel wall after wall on this. Also if the Black Panther case is any indication of how things are dealt with this thing will be buried and never spoke of in a few weeks/months.
You are under tyranny America and you dont even realize it b/c it never came in the manner Hollywood and novelists penned it would be. WAKE UP
Report Post »mrclean
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 8:07pmAnd thank Rep. Tom McClintock (remarks made yesterday on the House floor):
http://www.redstate.com/representativetommcclintock/2011/03/31/the_attack_on_libya_crossed_a_very_bright_constitutional_line/
Rep. Issa watch your back! We the people are with you all the way.
Report Post »colonial10
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 8:16pmThe problem with this whole thing is that the ATF is currently hiding and confusing the documents. When I was serving in the military we were given a two weeks notice for inspections. This falls under the non nuclear side. People would make everything look like it was in order which it wasn’t. The people that would come and inspect were the same people who served on submarines and practiced the same ethics. Not all of them but a big percentage. Humans have a tendency to neglect truth, self criticism and true integrity especially in positions of power. They will lie through their teeth and on their mothers graves on this one. Who suffers, the innocent and the tax payers. Obama will set up a panel of so called experts at our expense to get to the bottom. Yeah right!
Report Post »restorehope
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 9:04pmA step in the right direction by Issa. Just hope AFT won’t stonewall because they are afraid of Holder and Obama. Where is a patriotic whistleblower when you need him? There has to be someone inside who wants to see this brought to light.
Report Post »Wolf
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 10:41pm@ABC and Doctor… this story was broken by Mike Vanderboeugh and David Codrea last year- they almost had to force feed it to ABC, or anyone else, to get them to report it. They had also written Issa and others about it, giving them the information no one else had. They’d also questioned ATF about it. If you’re really interested, go to http://www.waronguns.blogspot.com and follow the links David has under GunWalker.
Report Post »Go Glenn
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 11:22pmYou go Issa………….wouldn’t it nice to have an Attorney General who had the balls to investigate this without Congress having to do it?!?!?!
Oh, wait, that wouldn’t work……….Eric Holder would be investigating himself.
This “Project Gun Runner” was a win-win for the administration.
1) sneak a ton of guns into Mexico to be used in violent attacks to de-stabilize yet another allie (or at least non-enemy) of the US.
2) Highlight and exagerate the proliferation of guns into Mexico from the US……..Tougher gun control is necessary……….NOT
You know, sometimes when you get to the bottom of something, you find yourself at the TOP.
God Bless America by ridding us of these Marxist, America-hating Radicals……..please?
Report Post »*************************
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 11:44pmGovernment NEEDS to be smaller … a lot smaller. START THE FIRINGS NOW (nope, no retirement, too)!
“What in the wide, wide world of sports is a-goin’ on here?” -boss Taggart, Blazing Saddles
Report Post »independentvoteril
Posted on April 2, 2011 at 12:43am@ abc… I watch both and let me tell you this was the FIRST TIME in over a year a MSM came up with ANYTHING.. I have to agree that FOX has been reporting on the 3rd war a little to much tired of seeing Geraldo reporting..
Report Post »thepatriotdave
Posted on April 2, 2011 at 1:19amGood!
I hope Issa finds the not-so-clever isiot that thought this was a good idea. And for our slimy progressive friends… I don’t care who they are or what administration they work/ed for, they deserve to spend time in prison at least for a short stint. Say maybe 95 years!
Our proof CNN Tea Party Poll is Bogus!
Report Post »http://www.americasteapartynews.com/cnnpoll.php
Jackers
Posted on April 2, 2011 at 7:51amWe must get to the bottom of this…
Report Post »avenger
Posted on April 2, 2011 at 8:35amso who is going to have the balls to start the impeachment process against owe bama…
Report Post »sleazyhippo
Posted on April 2, 2011 at 2:26pmMr. Issa knows his way around personal scandals, having been on the wrong side of the law before, and is an expert at tossing up grime, dirt and mud. I admire his persistent single-minded attacks and it would be interesting to hold these hearings unedited on FOX at prime time so everyone could see them and be able to judge the facts as they are presented, attacked and defended. Otherwise we might be subject to misleading headlines! (smile) .
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