Proposal Accelerates State Opt-Outs From HC Law…But There’s a Catch
- Posted on November 22, 2010 at 1:01pm by
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Sens. Ron Wyden (D-OR) and Scott Brown (R-MA) are hoping they’ve found a way for states to accelerate plans to opt-out of parts of the new federal health care law. But there’s a catch: states have to first complete a controversial provision in order to get out of some others.
The Senators, the Hill reports, introduced legislation on Thursday that would accelerate by three years a provision that would allow sates to seek waivers from controversial aspects of the legislation, including the law’s individual health insurance mandate.
Wyden, who originally voted for and helped craft the law, included the provision in the bill. Earlier this fall, he sent a letter so Oregon state health officials urging them to take advantage of that provision, a move seen by many as an admission that the bill was a mistake.
Now he’s hoping to accelerate that process. But as The Hill points out, there’s a catch:
In order to receive a waiver from the regulations, states would have to meet the healthcare targets that the federal law requires. States would need to set up a health insurance system that covers at least as many people as prescribed under the federal law, and the plans would have to meet requirements for affordability and comprehensiveness.
“It doesn’t make sense — especially given the current budget environment — to force states to put off or abandon health care innovations in order to fully implement the federal law,” Wyden said in a statement introducing the bill. “Bumping up the start date means that states can focus on ways to make the new health law work at its best from day one.”
Yet the Wyden-Brown bill may be a failed attempt because it goes against the all-out assault plan of Republicans. As new House Speaker John Boehner has made clear, he and fellow Repubs are not looking to change the bill, but rather repeal it completely.
From The Hill:
Republicans have already begun attacking the Wyden-Brown, saying it doesn‘t address major aspects of the Democrats’ bill such as requiring generous health coverage. Some conservatives have warned Republicans against seeking improvements to the health reform law, saying it is fatally flawed.
“You don’t want to improve the bill,” James Capretta, a former Office of Management and Budget staffer, said last month at a Hudson Institute event. “The bill is unredeemable.”
If the Wyden-Brown bill is successful, states would be allowed to request waivers as early as 2014 — when most of the law’s requirements go into effect — instead of 2017 as originally planned.
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Comments (145)
Derfel Cadarn
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 2:25pmThe FedGov does not have the legal power to set any conditions. Illegal (like in aliens) if it is not specifically stated in the Constitution then they cannot do it. Why is this concept difficult?
Report Post »REVENANT
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 2:20pmThe jig is up, the Progressives are panicking, and the people are waking up. That is the reason for this attempt to rapidly accelerate the timetable. They see their chance at dominatin slipping away.
Report Post »NO_POTTERSVILLE
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 2:26pmAgreed!
Report Post »Rowgue
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 2:14pmHealthcare is a service that people provide for a profit. Healthcare is not a charity and it should NOT be a government subsidized welfare project. The only government regulation I want in areas of medicine are for circumstances of gross medical malpractice and licensing. That it is it…period.
We don’t need to “fix” this bill or repeal and redo it. It needs to be repealed because government (fed, state, local) has no business doing anything that this bill does. The entire thing from start to finish is unconstitutional.
Report Post »watcherinfl
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 2:11pm13THGENERATIONAMERICAN: I’ve been reading your posts. I’ve also read the healthcare bill. My suggestion to you – Read the Bill. It is nothing more than a major expansion of government. One new committee after another. It is the stepping stone to a single payer system (Obama’s own words, not mine). You’ll find that the only ones supporting this bill, are the ones who haven’t taken it upon themselves to actually read the thing.
Report Post »REVENANT
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 2:37pmI’d wager that 13th thinks that “free” healthcare is their God given right.
Report Post »NO_POTTERSVILLE
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 2:10pmIf this was a “health care bill” why were there provisions for the government to take over all
Report Post »college tuitions? what on Earth does health care have to do with college tuitions? B.S. like this is
why we want it repealed and re-written. Do you remember when Botox Palosi said we wont know what
in the health care bill until we vote on it. What other surprises do we have coming from the bill???
Fear The Voices
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 9:47pmOther than provisions for the government to have direct access to your bank account?
Report Post »Silversmith
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 2:03pmThis bill must be repealed. It is filled with so many things that have nothing to do with health care, but do have to do with control of the citizenry. This bill must also be replaced with legislature that allows insurance over state lines, torte reform, and protecting those with pre-existing conditions from being dropped or penalized. All the banking and student loan caveats in this bill are for the birds.
Get rid of it now!
Silversmith
Report Post »BurntHills
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 2:01pmrepeal obamacare TOTALLY. completely throw it OUT.
Report Post »GRuss
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 1:59pm13thgen appears to be a weak minded leftist nutjob, that only knows what he told to say, just another pupet..
Report Post »Brian
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 1:55pmThe healthcare bill is nothing but a government given “right” to health care. It is not a right,
Report Post »healthcare is a moral responsibility. Anyone who thinks otherwise is incompetent and does
not realized the financial burden that it will place on the U.S. economy. Grow up, and make
a living for yourself, your family, and quit relying on government hand outs.
Kalidor835
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 1:55pmI love the argument that the left makes about how without Obamacare people would be dying in the streets. Well if that were true people would already be doing so but when asked for stats on it happening they can’t produce any. This bill needs repealed as quickly as possible before it hurts things worse than it already has. And before any of you Soros plants try and say anything I’m one of the “millions” without health insurance but I seem to be able to see a doctor and get my meds without any problems. If the bill isn’t repealed based on what has happened in the UK and Canada that will not be the case.
Report Post »koibaby
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 1:54pmI can no longer afford to pay for your health care. People die all of the time. Fact of life, get used to it!
Report Post »NO_POTTERSVILLE
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 1:53pmwhy do some of you let 13THGENERATI0NAMERICAN bate you like that? He’s an obvious plant here to annoy you and hopes you respond negatively. Just say NO…
Report Post »alienguns
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 2:05pmI thought he was Odumbo’s internet double—–I will ignore the posts of this imbecile
Report Post »J.C. McGlynn
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 3:59pmIs 13th one of those idiots who cried when Brandy lost on Dancing with the Stars? Probably shot his tv like the other guy. OOOPS, forgot he’s an anti AMERICAN anti-gun person, probably used a base ball bat instead
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 1:49pmYes, repeal it. And then, let’s look at progressively reducing Medicare and Medicaid and Social Security. I’m quite serious. Pay those who are on it now, no need to hurt innocent people. Anybody under a given age though, no more “benefits”. Watch how fast the market adjusts and doctors start charging about the same as veterinarians do, like they used to when you could pay for a hospital visit without busting your savings (pre-1962). This welfare state has bread nothing but dependence and spirit death in this nation. It’s time to come up with ways to get rid of the welfare state and then follow through on it.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 1:54pmBred
Report Post »emsawyer
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 1:47pmGrandma of 5, I‘d venture a guess that you’re older than that POS Obama, meaning, you were around long before that rat and having kids before he was even born. So I don’t know what the heck 13th is talking about, except that Abraham Lincoln’s quote applies to him. It goes something like this: Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt. That guy (13th) is a close-minded, free-loading, gimme gimme, poor me, “someone [read: government] help me because I’m not smart enough to do it by myself” dipstick. Scary to think he could be an adult and capable of reproducing!
Report Post »MR_ANDERSON
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 1:34pm13thgenerationamerican, you are the fool. Obama care is the main reason for rising health care costs. I chose and stayed with my current job of 15 years, because of the benefits (including medical). I was offered jobs starting over $100,000 but stayed with my current job because of all the benefits. It isn’t right that I worked hard for my benefits, and some will sit on the couch for theirs. I grew up in a family that was clawing to hold onto middle class status, so I wasn’t able to go off to college to party for 4 years. Instead I worked hard and gained skills and credits as I went. It isn’t easy, but it is what you do. Life and all that comes in it isn’t suppose to be easy or free, otherwise you wouldn’t appreciatee it.
Report Post »janddjohnson
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 1:45pmwell said.
Report Post »printdesignchicago.com
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 1:23pmthere is no fixing this travesty…. only repealing it will help anyone.
Report Post »benrush
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 1:21pmLet’s see, how many progressive communists does it take to hem, haw, stall around, and wreak havoc with a nation’s government?
Report Post »J.C. McGlynn
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 4:05pmThe correct answer is ONE, if you are the head idiot in charge!
Report Post »Fear The Voices
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 9:44pmI think it takes a lot more than just one. By the way government is preparing to expand with this health care crap, it obviously takes entire agencies and interwoven departments. I guess when they have their heads that far up their butts it must be awfully hard to see what needs to be done, so they just need more of the same to assist.
Report Post »pap pap
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 1:21pmWe need to repeal the entire pos bill. I’m sure that I would be one of the first on the death panel after 46 years of diabetes.
Report Post »J.C. McGlynn
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 4:02pmDid you see the CNN program that Krugman ( one of obummer’s advisors ) admitting to those death panels?
Report Post »benrush
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 1:20pmScrew you and the donkey your rode in on, 13th. GO get your bills paid by your parents.
Report Post »saneromeo
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 4:17pmWill everyone please ignore the trolls? They are here to prevaricate and provoke, its not about debate or ideas, its about them spewing vitriolic obscenities and receiving attention…They try to make you mad and respond emotionally, that way they can put your post up on Huffington to show how crazy the conservatives are….Please just ignore them, and they will go away
Report Post »benrush
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 1:19pmScrew this. We do not take orders from them. We GIVE them. Get the #(*&@& bill nullified now. It’s against the Constitution, and it’s against our fundamental rights to private property. The States have the power to nullify it, and any reasonable person or judge in high place should nullify it on its face.
It’s bad law, it’s fundamental tyranny, and it’s UN-American, and that’s my final answer.
Report Post »13thgenerati0namerican
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 1:26pmYeah right moron, we need the Government to tell us how to act or you get people like you shooting up the place and raping people all over town. This site is over run with you juice-box right wing nuts trying to make all the poor kids in america die and suffer!
alienguns
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 1:51pm13 year old…..you must be off your meds…shooting the place up and raping people all over town???–you are one crazy POS Prog whacko—how many gov assistance programs are you really on–you should really try earning your own way and being self reliant—it is a wonderful and empowering feeling.
Report Post »stage9
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 2:36pm13th, we don’t need government intrusion and oversight like liberals do. We already know how to think for ourselves. We threw off England; when the time is right, we’ll throw off liberalism too.
Report Post »cotuit
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 2:59pmNot so much every poor kid, only you.
Report Post »Melvin Spittle
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 3:41pmDon’t feed this troll.
Report Post »Jimbo143
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 4:02pmi thought that troll obama2012 was a moron.13th and i didnt think this was possible but you make him look like an einstein.you in my humble opinion need serious help either with medication or psych.but please check yourself in somewhere for your own good and the good of the country.
Report Post »Frostbyte
Posted on November 23, 2010 at 4:09amIf you do not stop feeding Soros’ trolls, like 13, they will keep being paid to disrupt this site. They are recognized as a waste of money if they can not demonstrate responses. If you like these fools, keep feeding them.
Report Post »grandmaof5
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 1:14pmThey can take their bill, along with the healthcare bill, and shove it! No healthcare bill unless it is tweaking healthcare, erasing state lines and devising a plan that makes sense so more people can afford it. Repeal the healthcare bill as it stands now!
Report Post »13thgenerati0namerican
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 1:19pmyou would’nt be a grandma of 5 without Obama being in office. He has made it possible for people of all classes and society types to have children to their hearts content. without our friend Mr. Obama we would all be slaves in Russia! Wake Up America!
janddjohnson
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 1:35pm13thgenerati0namerican
Report Post »You sir are an idiot. The reason healthcare is going up is because of this bill? Tell me one agency that the government runs that runs with effiency. You cannot. The government is as ineffiecient as you can get. Let the private sector run healthcare. You libs are really brainwashed. Why won’t you just take a breath and look at this with an open mind? Get a job and get healthcare. I am so sick of entitlement programs that I could just scream. That is what is killing this country. Get out and get a frickin job!
grandmaof5
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 1:38pmI‘m sorry but I didn’t have three children and five grandchildren in the last two years. And obviously by our welfare system people have been able to have children ’til their hearts content, with no regard to the consequences. I personally know a man who had 7 or 8 children by different mothers, never paid a dime but ran thru the mother’s money and then left. This ended with the last woman who put a knife in his belly. So please don’t give me garbage about the “system” as I have been around alot longer than you have and remember when it was a good system. They need to get back to doctor/patient and cut out red tape and bureaucracy. In other words get rid of government intrusion.
Report Post »janddjohnson
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 1:41pm13thgenerati0namerican
Report Post »Want another reason healthcare is so high? Because your beloved government lets illegals come over here and get free healthcare. Do you think they pay the bill? Hell no they don’t pay! Someone has to pay it so it is the rest of us that pay by raising healthcare costs. If the government would shut the border and stop giving these invaders a free pass on everything that in itself would help. How many hospitals go out of business because of illegals? Alot. It is a business. If the government would just keep us protected and balance the money and spend it wisely here at home instead of abroad and let the private sector do its job, then we wouldn’t be having these problems.
alienguns
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 1:42pm13 year old…you are a fool of massive proportions….isn’t it time for you to be in school or something
Report Post »snowleopard3200 {mix art}
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 1:58pm@13th
You dont like america then feel free to move to russia and stay there.
@Grandmaof5
Agree with you across the board, we need to change things now while there is still a window open.
Report Post »BurntHills
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 2:05pmthe only thing obamacare did was prove to obama he has any neuticles at all to be able to shove that NATIONAL ATROCITY down our throats. the entire nation is totally polarized, divided and suffering because of it. and it will only get WORSE.
we pray PSALM 109, Lord, PLEASE.
Report Post »drbage
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 2:41pm@13th
Report Post »I think you got the wrong country–it is China not Russia. With all the debts that your beloved POR team (Pelosi, Obama, Reid) and their acolytes have run up over the past two years, China is holding the purse strings and if you listen to what they are saying, they are becoming more and more upset with this Presidency and its policies.
If this law is so good for everyone, why are there more than 111 companies who have already applied for exemptions from the law?
If this law fixes all the problems in the system, why did they not put the medicare doctor fix into the bill? Where is the money for that going to come from?
If this is a panacea for all medical problems, why was nothing done about tort reform? Tort reform would have fixed the outrageous malpractice fees that doctors have to pay in order to practice. The average yearly cost for malpractice insurance in the US for ob-gyn doctors now stands at $250,000! So before (s)he sees one patient that is the balance due, then add in staff, office space, etal and that goes a long way to explain the expense. Then there is the problem of Medicare reimbursement–despite all the bureaucrats in Washington it still takes an average of 94 days to be paid.
C. Schwehr
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 6:34pmThank you ma’am. You are a voice of sanity here…..I might remind people here that ignoring or disobeying an unjust law is no sin!
Report Post »13thgenerati0namerican
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 1:12pmDo not repeal! The law is law now, leave it alone and let it help people. The Government is here to help us not harm us you fools. We need Obama care now more than ever with these rising health care costs!
Psychosis
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 1:27pmyour a fool oblamocare is causing the cost to go up, and the government is NOT here to help. your a complete fool
and your sister says to stop touching her
Report Post »grandmaof5
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 1:27pmDo you hear yourself? We need Obama care now more than ever with the rising health care costs. Why do you think they are going up – Obama care! There are other ways to help the people that need it, and they need to be explored, on that point I definitely agree with you.
Report Post »BetterDays
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 1:30pmThe ONLY help I want the Federal Government to aid my Nation in doing is national defense and imigration enforcement.
Report Post »On any other “help”, it needs (and will) go out of business.
If your so hep on helping others, go sell everything you own and support as many as possiable on your health insurence, But really, it’s not about that now is it? Nope, it’s about power and control, it’s about replacing “evil” capitolism with a welfare state that you‘ve been told you’ll play aleading role in,lol, and you bought into that, wow.
If wisdom is a barmoter, then your in a cranial ice age.
green_manalishi
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 1:38pmAlan Grayson has your health care Plan “13”
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 1:45pm2/10 on the troll scale. Whomever recruits you people to come up with such lame trolls really needs to receive some kind of on the job training to help him pick better in the future.
Report Post »Deb4ks
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 1:46pmYou have really drunk the coolaid haven’t you?
Report Post »You are the one that needs to wake to the fact that not only is the healthcare portions of this bill a huge mistake, but all the other portions of this bill that tag along as well. Like 16,000 more IRS agents to make sure we are doing what they dictate. You might as well start practice your goose step march!
Brian
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 1:52pmAre insane? All that one has to do is look at the French and British healthcare system to see
Report Post »that it will place such a burden on the U.S. economy that it will ultimately collapse. I do not
want rationing, which will happen, I do not want to pay higher taxes and then pay for additional
coverage (as the French do) and I do not wish to be under tha mandate to carry health insurance.
I have health insurance on my entire family, it is a moral responsibility, not a government given
right. I do hope that you wake up an realize that this bill is nothing but a takeover on the American
people. This is outrageous, and I am ashamed of my generation (20-25 yr. olds) who want nothing
but handouts. I believe you get what you work for, not that you get what the government gives you.
I want my freedom, not government given rights…
pamela kay
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 2:09pmYou would like nothing better for this country as you are among those that wish to take her down.
Report Post »Melvin Spittle
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 2:34pmAdding 13thgenerati0namerican to new list of Blaze trolls:
13thgenerati0namerican
maboulette
Warning! Do not feed them! They are trolling for emotional responses to validate their perceptions of the Tea Party and conservatives in general.
Report Post »123abc
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 2:53pm13th gen. How are things today in the liberal chat room that you get paid to occupy? Go post on the san francisco chronicle or some other liberal rag. We see through you.
Report Post »docvet
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 3:00pm@GRANDMAOF5
I think I’m in love. You just keep blogging that great common sense. You are a whole bunch of rays of sunshine!
Did anyone note that the change to the opt out would essetially require the states to do what the Fed is trying to do, make everyone buy insurance to reach the coverage goals. Although, it would at least achieve some level of state’s rights, but with a program no better than what exists now.
Report Post »Jimbo143
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 3:40pm13th you are a moron.this bill does nothing to lower costs.my healthcare was raised the last 3 years by about 5 dollars a week.last year i paid 105 dollars per week.i just received this years premium and it is 150 dollars per week.and what is the main difference from last year to this year????????obamacare.it is an economic impossibility to add millions of people and do it for the same costs.when you hear people on the left say well obama didnt fight hard enough for single payer thats bull cause when he puts all of these rules into place the insurance companies cannot do it and still make a profit.so they drop you and now you are going into a govt.single payer system.more people,less money per patient=rationing.
Report Post »BlueStrat
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 3:52pm13thgenerati0namerican says;
“The Government is here to help us not harm us you fools.”
To that I reply with classic Ronald Regan;
“The ten most dangerous words in the English language are ”Hi, I’m from the government, and I’m here to help.”
13th, I think you have your “fool-O-meter” pointed at yourself. Or maybe you think yourself a better, wiser man than Ronald Reagan? If so, I have a dictionary assignment for you to look up the term “hubris”.
Report Post »C. Schwehr
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 6:31pmYes, I realize you’re nothing but an ignorant troll….but consider that the Soetorocare law is NOT designed to provide health care….it is designed to DESTROY the current health care system (currently one of the best in the world) and replace it with a Canadian/British type system (currently one of the WORST in the civilized world)……So your claim that we need Soetorocare is based on a lie, especially since one of the main reasons why health care is currently so expensive is because of the government!
As for “walkwithme1966”, your foolish bleatings about republicans “not caring” is just another progressive talking point based on a lie…..both of you trolls are useless interruptions in an otherwise intelligent conversation…go away!
Report Post »EP46
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 7:00pm@13th You are an example of obamacare testing……
Report Post »C. Schwehr
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 7:01pmSettling for a bad law is insanity. There is nothing in the Constitution that prevents a bad law from being rejected by the people, repealed by our representatives, and then following the Constitution as it is written…meaning THERE IS NO CONSTITUTIONAL POWER ALLOWING THE GOVERNMENT TO TELL US HOW TO OBTAIN MEDICAL CARE!
Only the STATES have that power…if their own Constitution allows for it….otherwise it is the responsibility of the citizen to see to their own health…..unless, by bad luck or accident they are unable to obtain coverage…then the government has a duty to provide adequate care….
Report Post »john1417
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 7:02pmI think I going to help myself to 13ths back pocket. I’m going to take her or his money all of it and give it to who I want. And 13th if you don’t know what Sarcasm is sorry. But that Is what you are asking the gov. to do to me so I think mabee we should do the same to you.
Report Post »OhMyGosh
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 7:54pmWhere did you come from? Are you a plant from the WH or are you really that stupid and ill informed all by yourself? Do your self a favor and study up on some of the issues you are talking about. Become educated before you run your fingers over the keyboard again. Seriously your ignorance is sicking. If you want to debate with the big boys educate yourself so you have some substance to your posts and something to actually debate about. You’re not holding your own little boy, or girl.
Report Post »OhMyGosh
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 8:24pmMy comments were meant for 13thgenerationamerican. And 13th I also have a long history on this land, my Grandpappy came over on the Mayflower along with 2 other ancestors. They all fought for the Constitution and the right to be Free. As did every generation inbetween. We are proud Americans who fight for Freedom. We do not take kindly to turning over our Freedom to some socialist president for some healthcare bill that is being forced down our throat.
I can just imagine what your ancestors are doing right now, after fighting for the right to be free, and you are just rolling over.
Report Post »bulletsinthegun
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 9:28pmyou are the fool wake up and smell the bacon
Report Post »Fear The Voices
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 9:34pmYOU ARE A MORON! Have you not heard the governments own report that w/o this “law” cost would increase approx. 85 percent; but with this bill, it is projected to increase 111 percent.
How damned much is that going to help people who are paying for half of their health care insurance now?
This law is also supposedly going to treat that half you don’t pay for as income; meaning you’ll be taking home less after taxes…. How is this going to help people trying to support a family?
Doctors are dropping out or retiring due to this ‘wonderful’ piece of crap; so specifically, how is this going to help us?
You are either completely out of touch with reality, still live at home with mommy and pay no bills, one of those people sucking off of the taxpayers; of are simply brain-dead!
Report Post »mikedy
Posted on November 23, 2010 at 4:24pm13th, you say leave it alone the law is the law. How about the Constitution? THAT is the law and this “health care” blatantly disregards that law. How do you reconcile that? Either you support laws or you do not. You want to pick and choose which you like and support? That is what this administration is doing. Criminal immigrants? Obama says let them in and ignore the law. Obamacare? Obama says ignore the constitution and do it. The problem with people like you and Obama is you just pick and choose the “laws” you like but ignore all others. This “healthcare” cannot be a law because it violates the constitution and anything that violates the constitution is UNLAWFUL!!
Report Post »Psychosis
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 1:08pmkill the bill it does nothing to improve anything in our health care system, or the insurance system, but give power and control to the government . the few “cherries” included in the bill are there just to try to sweeten the deal. these items can be dealt with after the law is killed, in a more accurate way
Report Post »Marylou7
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 1:07pmREPEAL it, not reform it. The law is rittled with massive government intrusion into our lives. Get rid of it in total.
Report Post »Anonimouse
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 1:06pmElected Republicans – Do NOT try to fix the law. Repeal it.
Report Post »13thgenerati0namerican
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 1:13pmYou have no idea the number of people you are trying to hurt and prevent from getting qualified healthcare. You are a numb facist! Wake up!
Anonimouse
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 1:21pm13generation, observe the security checkpoints at our airports today.
Report Post »Are these really the people you want to be in charge of your healthcare?
Anonimouse
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 1:37pmSorry I took the bait from 13 generation. I thought I might be in for some reasonable debate, but I just saw some of her other posts. She’s only another kook wanting to stir the pot – all talk, no original thoughts.
Sorry, appologizes to the rest of you for wasting your time. Won’t happen again.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 1:39pm@13
Technically speaking, if you support Obama care, you are in fact endorsing real ACTUAL fascism. You do know what fascism is, don’t you? Or do you think it’s just some kind of weird racist thing? Bone up on history kid and discover which side you actually stand with.
Report Post »okgreene
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 1:39pmAmen, get rid of this white elephant!
Report Post »dkhartman
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 1:43pm13th – are you serious? Do you think anyone is saying people DONT DESERVE healthcare… If so you’re ignorant. The problem is THIS healthcare bill.. It needs to be repealed and rewritten COMPLETELY! My mom doesn’t have health insurance but she is smart enough to know this IS NOT the way to get it. She is willing to wait till it’s done right (YES SHE HAS HEALTH PROBLEMS).
dkhartman
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 1:46pmOh and BTW if they would have written the hc bill fairly and correctly in the first place then people could have ‘quality healthcare’ sooner. BUT NO, NOW we have to repeal and it will TAKE LONGER for sick people to get healthcare. Thus proving, they didn’t give a CRAP if people got healthcare as soon as possible… So instead of blaming the smart people for wanting to get it RIGHT, start blaming the idiots who got it wrong in the first place…
Report Post »snowleopard3200 {mix art}
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 1:51pmThis health care debaticle needs to die, and we need to, as a nation, decide how to go about fixing the system. All on state and national levels. It needs to be done, and it will not be pretty, nor easy, but it is possible.
One way to start is opening competition for different insurance companies across the various state lines, let the free market system go to work.
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Report Post »tvr54
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 1:56pmIf there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace.
Report Post »Thomas Paine
REVENANT
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 2:11pmThis is little more than Progressives accelerating the Cloward and Piven prong of the attack. So many of their attack plans have been exposed, and now they are panicking. you’re a fool if you believe that this is a gift to anybody but the globalist elites. The healthcare bill will destroy your life, regardless of it’s standard, unless of course you are on the inside of the chosen apparatchik class, i.e. union middle management and above.
Report Post »REVENANT
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 2:18pmI would ask you 13th, do you know the definition of fascist? Let me tell you. A perfect example of fascism is GE. GE not only has it’s CEO in the administration, It‘s writing the nation’s energy policy, in conjunction with radical environmentalists. It’s eco fascism, government in conjunction with industry, erecting a system of “choice architecture.” It’s the illusion of choice, with really no chooice at all. The jig is up, and we aren’t buying the Progressive swill anymore.
Report Post »cashprize
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 2:42pm13geberationamerican if you really don’t know the demonstraitable problems with the various socialist schemes of healthcare find the answers in simple and understandable terms here: http://ww7.yuwie.com/profile/?id=8079 Called.” immoralities of the new Healthcare law.”
Report Post »aamador
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 2:52pmSecond the motion, I know the number of people this bad legistlation is going to hurt. Repeal and Replace is the only option
Report Post »don4logo
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 3:24pm13THGENERATI0NAMERICAN: Nobody wants to hurt anyone. We DO want everyone that is able, to get off their collective BUTTS and go do something for THEMSELVES! We already have programs in place to care for those who are unable to do for themselves. If that’s not working for you, then perhaps we address those programs. But don’t destroy what is the best healthcare system in the history of the world just because you want to get a little something for free. nothing worth anything in life comes cheap or easy. Figure it out.
Report Post »Kaen
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 4:36pmOK…first off, NOBODY DESERVES healthcare, healthcare is NOT A RIGHT, as with everything else in the world, you ONLY have the RIGHT to what you can pay for. Now, having said that, healthcare costs have gotten out of control but, Obamacare WAS NEVER intended to do ANYTHING about covering the uninsured, reducing costs, or improving healthcare. IT WAS SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED to destroy our existing healthcare system allowing for COMPLETE GOVERNMENT CONTROL of healthcare in the form of SOCIALIZED MEDICINE. Anyone that thinks otherwise is a fool.
http://thefreeamerica.blogspot.com/
Report Post »walkwithme1966
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 4:41pmAre the conservatives/TeaParty members for any social programs? Any programs that help those that can’t help themselves? Any programs for the elderly, homeless, sick, unemployed – anything? To hell with others that are in need – and most of you pretend to be Christians. This is a really sad, sad situation. I just can’t understand that type of thinking. http://maboulette.wordpress.com
Report Post »Doc_Slammin
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 6:23pm@WalkWithMe1966 actually says, “Are the conservatives/TeaParty members for any social programs? Any programs that help those that can’t help themselves? Any programs for the elderly, homeless, sick, unemployed – anything? To hell with others that are in need and most of you pretend to be Christians. This is a really sad, sad situation. I just can’t understand that type of thinking.”
I will only speak for myself.
I want the right to choose whom to give my money to, and to stop giving it to them if it’s not properly distributed, not actually needed, or abused.
Does tax money get abused? Yes.
Report Post »Is tax money properly distributed by government? No.
Can you opt out of a government program that is failing? No.
IOnceWasLiberalButNowISee
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 6:32pm13thgeneration: “You have no idea the number of people you are trying to hurt and prevent from getting qualified healthcare. You are a numb facist! Wake up!”
I am sooo tired of the meme that says people are going to be prevented from receiving healthcare . . .and people on the left call Glenn Beck an alarmist. This meme is simply not true, as someone who works in healthcare I can tell you that it is a lie. No one, let me say that again NO ONE who comes to our hospital is ever, EVER turned away. They always receive treatment.
As to the cost? Well . . . let’s put it into perspective. My late father-in-law was an MD who, at one time, treated entire families for $20 (up to 7 people). He would charge a minimal cost for any supplies. He did house calls for $10. But then . . . . Government intervention took place in the name of Medicare and eventually MediCal (he practiced in California). He was told that he had to receive a lower amount from patients covered by these government agencies. Here he was, with a young family and student loans for medical school. What did he have to do? Raise prices on everyone else. Soon, the insurance companies saw what the government was doing and began to do the same thing. Costs have skyrocketed since. Here in the clinic attached to our hospital an appointment to be seen by a doctor (one person at a time, remember, he saw up to 7 for $20) costs $87. Supplies have to be marked up as much as 10x their cost and the hospital still has trouble making ends meet. MediCal and Medicare pays us $53 for a doctor visit and cost + 10% for supplies. I wonder why we have trouble making it . . . hmmmmmmmm
If someone in the US breaks their arm they have to drive (or be driven) to the nearest hospital, from the time of arrival they will probably have no more than 24 to 48 hours before you have the break set and a cast on that arm. I say 24 to 48 hours because sometimes there is swelling involved and it cannot be casted immediately. In many parts of the world, if someone breaks their arm, they have to travel many, many miles to the nearest clinic, sometimes several days travel. Upon arrival at the clinic they probably will be told that it doesn’t have the proper radiological equipment, or the proper materials on hand to take care of the problem.
Now, I ask, which of the people in this scenario has healthcare?
I am in the process of forming a non-profit organization to help bring medical supplies to hospitals in the poorer parts of the world. At some of these hospitals, surgeons are doing surgery in a shack, with snakes slithering around in the rafters. These hospitals are constantly in need of supplies, but you think that WE don’t have healthcare in the US, you are being lied to and, apparently, believing the lie.
You can continue believeing the lie if you so choose, but make no mistake, it was government intervention that caused the only problem we have with healthcare in the US . . . high costs. Calling for more government intervention, to fix a problem that government intervention caused in the first place, is an illogical choice. All it will do is lead to more problems, but you are welcome to go to other countries to experience what a real lack of healthcare actually looks like.
Report Post »sapper
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 8:12pmhey stupid, Walgreens has a clinic in it where I paid $70 for a doctor to check me out and prescribe me medicine for a sinus infection. I did not have insurance AT ALL MORON> I simply paid a fair price for their service. 3 days later I’m back to normal. Frankly, when I went to my regular doctor with insurance I still paid a $20 copay and an additionl $40 for deductible and coinsurance. Not much difference except I no longer pay the damned $400 per month premium to get the insurance. You are a sheep…..one of the usefull idiots. What you are referring to is legalized theft of my money to give to some other jackass that won’t get off his butt and get a job. Screw you, you fking communist pig.
Report Post »Fear The Voices
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 9:28pm13thDEGENERATE-
YOU have no idea how badly this bill will destroy the quality of health coverage for everyone in this country!
Report Post »There is a reason why the heads or state from other countries with socialized medicine come to the U.S. for procedures….. There’s a reason why other countries which have had socialized medicine have warned us not to drift away from the care we have…. There’s a reason some of these nations are trying to back away from it too.
They know what many of us who live by the northern border already know; socialized medicine sucks!
Furthermore, it’s been well known that it will not lower the cost of care, nor will it improve the quality or access to care. It will do quite the opposite, and it is well documented.
ccrabill
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 9:33pmRepeal it, period! Agreed.
Report Post »The Dad
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 10:36pmSomebody please tell 13th to go and drink more obama kool-aid and leave us the hell alone.
Report Post »Sorry for feeding the troll but I couldn’t resist.
Repeal and replace is the only way, O-care will break us all if it continues.
If the pressure rises at the current rate we will get the change we need.
Call your congresscritter and tell them to do their job and kill this cancer that is O-care.
theaveng
Posted on November 23, 2010 at 6:43am>>>”You have no idea the number of people you are trying to hurt and prevent from getting qualified healthcare.
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And you are trying to FORCE me, at point of gun, to buy health insurance that I do not want. (scans constitution). Where in here does it give Congress power to force me to buy a Product I do not want, Miss13thgenerationJackoff. It ain’t there. What’s next? Congress forces me to buy a hybrid car, instead of a normal car, and they fine me $1000/year as a result? Or buy solar panels for my roof, and face $500/yr fine each year my roof is empty?
The US Constitution is not just a piece of paper. It’s the LAW and it limits (per the 9th and 10th) what the Congress can order us citizens to do. They cannot force me to do something I do not want to do.
Repeal the Bill. Pass legislation to revise/limit the bill. Whatever it takes. And the same goes for the Unpatriotic Act.
Report Post »theaveng
Posted on November 23, 2010 at 6:44am>>>”You have no idea the number of people you are trying to hurt and prevent from getting qualified healthcare.
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And you are trying to FORCE me, at point of gun, to buy health insurance that I do not want. (scans constitution). Where in here does it give Congress power to force me to buy a Product I do not want, Miss13thgenerationJackoff.
It ain’t there. What’s next? Congress forces me to buy a hybrid car, instead of a normal car, and they fine me $1000/year as a result? Or buy solar panels for my roof, and face $500/yr fine each year my roof is empty?
The US Constitution is not just a piece of paper. It’s the LAW and it limits (per the 9th and 10th) what the Congress can order us citizens to do. They cannot force me to do something I do not want to do.
Repeal the Bill. Pass legislation to revise/limit the bill. Whatever it takes.
Report Post »And the same goes for the Unpatriotic Act.
designbyinspiration
Posted on November 23, 2010 at 8:13amRepeal: Exactly! Texas had 30% reduction in insurance fees with simple tort reform. Implement that. (Romneycare required $550mil to keep going with sloppily poor quality, and indicator for Obamacare) Can you imagine the rate drop if insurance companies were allowed to compete across state lines? Those two things would put the industry on fire (i.e. lotsa jobs) and bring costs to an attainable level for millions more, while increasing quality. Choke on that, couch-potato lying libs!
Report Post »GENEBLISTER
Posted on November 23, 2010 at 12:28pmIs this 13th Generation fool really danglingbags using a new screen name?
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on November 23, 2010 at 1:16pm@snowleopard3200,
“One way to start is opening competition for different insurance companies across the various state lines, let the free market system go to work.”
Competition between insurance companies across state lines isn’t a good idea. I used to think it was, but not anymore.
Think about what insurance is: We all pay a relatively small amount into a pool with others compared to the potential cost of health care. Therefore, insurance only works if NOT EVERYBODY can get covered at once. Insurance companies are SUPPOSED to reject coverage sometimes.
So, if anything, there’s something wrong with the concept of insurance, itself, rather than the concept of one insurance plan versus another.
But better this happens in the private sector, than as part of government, because government drains monies from all industries in every state. And better this happens within a state, than across state lines, because states have an economy of their own, and the usefulness of insurance companies is based on the economy in which it does business. In this way, states automatically compete with each other – we may have to move to a different state to get a better insurance plan, but that’s an incentive for all states to do better.
Report Post »ozz
Posted on November 23, 2010 at 5:20pm@13thgenerati0namerican and you are a liar. You are no American. By your own words you have show your self to be a Nazi. You think we do not remember your past posts?
Report Post »ozz
Posted on November 23, 2010 at 5:24pm“Elected Republicans – Do NOT try to fix the law. Repeal it.” /agree
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