‘Protected by God’: Colo. Shooting Victim Survives Bullet Through the Brain After Rare Defect Miraculously Becomes a Life-Saver
- Posted on July 24, 2012 at 7:41am by
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Petra Anderson
An immeasurable amount of tragedy has emerged following the Aurora, Colorado, shooting massacre. But among the stories of loss and pain is the fascinating, inspirational and practically-unbelievable tale of 22-year-old Petra Anderson’s miracle recovery.
On Friday, the young woman joined countless others in heading to Century 16 Movie Theater to see “The Dark Night Rises.” In the end, she was one of the victims facing serious injury early that morning, sustaining multiple gunshot wounds, including taking a bullet through her brain.
Being shot a total of four times, Anderson’s injuries were extensive. While the first three bullets hit her arm, the fourth went through her nose, heading up through her cranium and reaching all the way to the back of her skull, The Huffington Post reports.
Obviously, her condition was critical. The seriousness was underscored by the fact that doctors feared Anderson would lose control over her speech, motor and/or cognitive abilities. To get a sense of the true level of concern, consider what Anderson’s pastor, Brad Strait, wrote on his blog about Anderson’s injuries:
With awesome people from our caring and pastoral team, I spent all day Friday in the ICU with Petra and her family. Her injuries were severe, and her condition was critical. A bullet had entered Petra’s face through her nose, and then traveled up through her brain until stopping at the back of her skull. The doctors prior to surgery were concerned, because so much of the brain had been traversed by the bullet. Many areas of brain function were involved. They were hoping to keep her alive long enough to get her into surgery. The prognosis was uncertain—if she lived, Petra might struggle with speech, movement, and thinking due to considerable brain damage. With Kim, Petra’s mother (who is in the final stages of terminal cancer), we simply cried, hugged, and prayed.
But, alas, during a five-hour surgery, the unthinkable happened. Doctors were able to remove the bullet seamlessly and Anderson’s brain, remarkably, sustained very little damage. Now, this seems like an impossibility, but the young woman reportedly had a birth defect that had previously gone unnoticed — a tiny vein of fluid that extended through her skull. So small, in fact, that it would only be detectable on a CAT Scan.
The New York Daily News explains how this bizarre abnormality actually saved Anderson’s life when the bullet entered her head:
Doctors said the bullet traveled through the vein, just missing the vital parts of Anderson’s brain.
Strait said that a doctor told him the surgery “couldn’t have gone any better,” and that if Anderson was his daughter he’d “be dancing a jig.”
The recent University of Pacific graduate has continued to improve since the surgery.
She was moved from the ICU Monday, according to a post by Anderson’s older sister, Chloe Anderson, on a Facebook page for Petra.
She’s started to walk and speak again, as well.
“She could have lost all kinds of function [if] the bullet traversed her brain,” her mother said in an interview with the Sacramento Bee. ”I believe that she was not only protected by God, but that she was actually prepared for it.”
The miracle recovery is making rounds in media, as many grapple to comprehend the odds of the bullet hitting the same location as a previously-unfounded (and life-saving) birth defect. While Anderson is recovering, her family is in need of financial help to offset the cost of her medical treatment and her mother’s as well (as mentioned in Strait’s blog, the young woman’s mother, Kim, is dying of cancer).
An online campaign has been launched on Indiegogo, as evidenced, below. As if 7:15 ET on Tuesday, it has already brought in $82,590:
Accompanying the fundraising plea is a video featuring Anderson’s sister, Chloe, that further explains the situation and the family’s needs.
“Our family has been shaken by the events of last Friday but we have not been broken,” Chloe said. ”We’re watching heroes appear everywhere we look.”
Watch the video, below:
“There is much ahead. More surgeries. Facial reconstruction, perhaps,” Strait wrote. “And for Kim, chemo therapy to stretch every moment out of life. But life remains. The ending is yet to be written for this family.”
Sometimes, miracles truly do happen.
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Comments (205)
Don Gwinn
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 1:21pmI’m pretty sure the movie was about a “Dark Knight,“ not a ”Dark Night.” Batman, yes?
Also, that’s not what the word “alas” means. “Alas” means something between “unfortunately” and “Oh, god, why did this have to happen.” To say that, alas, the young lady survived surgery and may not have speech deficits is to say that you wish she had died or at least come out with scrambled speech.
As far as God saving her by giving her a brain defect . . . even if the facts the pastor is passing along are true, that seems like a stretch. What did God have against the people He decided should be killed by an ******* in a costume?
Report Post »may40
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 1:33pmI‘m sorry you feel this way and can’t see the miraculous in this. God did not kill those people that kid did because the Lord gave us free will. I don’t know why one lives and another dies but to discredit Who God is shows your lack of faith. I hope that someday you can ask God to reveal Himself to you and I promise you will NEVER be the same. This life will never be perfect because it’s fallen but He assures us in His Word that those who believe and accept Jesus will be saved and enjoy the eternal home….heaven.
Report Post »jstrider
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 1:34pmWould it be better that God were to always slay the wicked before they did their evil deeds?
In that event, the wold would be empty, devoid of all human life.
I wish that those who had died were still here, as the grief interred upon their families, friends and community must be great.
Although, those who have passed on should be envied as they are now in paradise, and cannot be harmed by the evils of this world any longer.
Report Post »TedsOfBeverlyHills
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 2:24pmNice to read that god cares more about Petra than the 12 innocent people who were slaughtered by this maniac.
Alessandre
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 3:54pm@Don Gwinn God had nothing against those who were killed. That he saved many, particularly Ms. Anderson, is evidence of His mercy even when we choose to be monsters. Death isn’t the worst thing that can happen to us. It’s difficult & part of the human story because we rebel against God. For those who repent & accept Christ as their Saviour, death is walking through a door into the arms of our Best Friend. For those who continue to rebel, death is receiving what is desired, freedom from God – forever. Ultimately, only God knows if you or I will repent & persevere until death. Some repent for a bit only to become worse rebels. Others repent & accept Him at the last minute.
There are at least 2 lessons in the CO shooting: 1) Luke 13:1-5, Jesus tells His followers that those accidentally or intentionally killed are not worse sinners than anyone else but that unless we repent we will perish. Repent if you want life.
2) The worst thing that can happen is to be like the shooter. That’s deep rebellion. He freely chose to kill as if he were God & had the right to destroy those people because he made them. The worst that can happen to us is to misuse our free will so that we fool ourselves into believing that we are God, self-idolators who are greater than others, whom we may coolly destroy – like Nero, like the CO shooter, like many others.
God was not angry w/ those who died. God loves us so much He will not interfere w/ our freedom even when we choose to kill each other.
Report Post »Ricolip
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 3:55pmPedantic.
Report Post »DoGooder
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 4:09pmI’m sorry you fail to see the miracle here. An understanding of God and original sin will help you.
Report Post »scarebear83
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 4:15pmAmazing? Yes. Miracle? No. Now before you say anything, I am a Bible believing Christian and that’s where we should look to for the definition of a miracle. Are people born with birth defects? Yes, all the time. Are people shot or struck with various items that it‘s a wonder they weren’t killed? Yes, it happens. But if you look at all the miracles done in the Bible they were done with a suspension of the natural laws. Examples: Raising one from the dead who had been dead for 4 days, a person blind since birth is now able to see clearly, water from a rock, a talking donkey, walking on water, calming a storm etc. While I’m amazed that this woman was not killed and am glad she survived I do not see it as a “miracle” as defined by God’s word.
Report Post »vesper
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 4:16pmWhere does the assumption come from that because one person miraculously lives, God must not care about others? That’s a pessimistic stretch. Perhaps Petra has something else important to do in life, and perhaps that is needed in the larger scheme of things. I do not doubt for an instant that God is deeply saddened by the actions of that deranged young man, and the loss of so many good lives. However, we don’t know His plan and His mind do we? So to assume something like this is so sad and pessimistic rather than rejoicing in one bit of wonderful news.
Report Post »minuteman55
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 4:26pmDon: God gave us free will to choose between good and evil, life and death. God is the author of life and Satan who rebelled against God became the author of death. We all choose. The young man who did this horrific act chose death and must pay for his rebellion and should pay with his life. We are blaming God for something he did not do. The author of death needs to be blamed and the young man who wanted to play god.
Report Post »V-MindMeld
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 6:38pmI am convinced after reading many of the silly post in here, that most speaking negatively about God really have no clue about his word, wisdom, or grace or even life and death and why we even exist as the human race……amazing,,please do some homework, or read the easy to read version of the Bible or listen to some tapes or something before you spew out stupid things and remarks about how God thinks…. he doesnt think for us, we do! but he will guide us if you ask…… anyone with any insight abou the Bible would agree, even atheist who know the Bible would think some post are ridiculus and are from ill informed people…ok
Report Post »annelouisegelinas
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 8:30pmMaybe if you believe God created you and gave you free will you would understand that all of us have free will God-given. How we all deal with it is why some folks chose a life of crime and mad driven ideas that lead to murder. It only takes one madman to destroy others lives. He used he free will to become a mad crazy murdering human being. He could have chosen to be a sane happy careing human being. It was his choice, not God’s..
Report Post »We have choices to make every moment of every day. To be on the good side or the evil side. This man chose evil. yes God gave the Tree of Life and He did it to make sure Adam And Eve would populate. Had they been perfect humans with no knowledge of good and evil the rest of us would not be here.
Pontiac
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 11:24pmGods free will in a nutshell:
Report Post »“God says do what you wish, but make the wrong choice and you will be tortured for eternity in hell. That sir, is not free will. It would be akin to a man telling his girlfriend, do what you wish, but if you choose to leave me, I will track you down and blow your brains out. When a man says this we call him a psychopath and cry out for hisimprisonment/execution. When god says the same we call him ‘loving’ and build churches in his honor.” — William C. Easttom II,
scarebear83
Posted on July 25, 2012 at 12:30amPontiac- God does not send people to torment, people get there by their own choices. God is a loving God in that He gives us a way to escape torment. ALL have sinned and have fallen short of the glory of God. So the only person to blame is you. Everyone is responsible for their own sins.
Report Post »lily50sally
Posted on July 28, 2012 at 4:41pmYou probably don’t understand that all the bad things that happen in this world are not caused by God but are caused by sin. We live in a sinful world and because we live in this world then bad things are going to happen. Not because God allowed her to live, he wants everyone to live and have a fruitful life. But sin is in the world and it manifest into a shooter who doesn’t understand what he is doing and goes ahead with his plan that he wrote out in a letter. It is sin that caused the happenings in Colorado not God.
Report Post »jstrider
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 1:20pmThis story has provoked quite a discussion as to the source of this miracle.
For those of us who have faith and trust in God, we believe it came from Him.
While others who do not, may not see it that way and attribute it to “Luck”.
Either way this is looked at, it is a miracle and I hope that some of you will open your mind to things beyond your own reasoning and scientific & medical explanation.
Science and Medicine are inspired things to follow, however, I feel that many who put their understanding of them ahead of the possibility of a higher power are going to to lose the reason why some of these things happen.
Report Post »AmazingGrace8
Posted on July 25, 2012 at 9:52amAmen!
Report Post »Comissnd
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 1:05pmWhere did you come up with that idea?
Report Post »Matt
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 12:43pmIf that‘s not proof that God exists then I don’t know what is.
Report Post »1snake1
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 12:56pmI don‘t think you understand what the word ’proof’ means.
Report Post »ConservativeCanucklehead
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 12:57pmYeah. Exactly!
Report Post »Randyco02
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 1:11pmthat could be proof that the Flying Spaghetti Monster saved her too!
Report Post »ConservativeCanucklehead
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 1:19pmI say it was Zeus!
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 1:48pm14 innocent people massacred at a movie theater. Proof god doesn’t exist.
Report Post »ConservativeCanucklehead
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 2:43pmAs if we needed more proof of that, eh?
Report Post »maybeth
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 3:17pmMatt: I think Snake means like the “proof” that existed back in the middle ages and before that the earth was flat. Of the “proof” back in the day when they thought that cancer was contagious. I could go on, but you get my point.
Report Post »TomSawyer
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 3:43pm1snake1 wrote: “I don‘t think you understand what the word ’proof’ means.”
A largely agreed upon number for impossible in science is a probability of 10^-55
Report Post »I don’t have enough information to calculate it, but just think about the number of people that could have been in that situation instead that did not have that exact birth defeat, the angle of the bullet in 3 dim space, the number of theaters in the area, the different days that she could have chosen to see the movie, the different hours each day the movie shows, and the different locations she could have been position in inside the theater and the odds of her even being hit out of a crowd of people. You could probably come up with 100s of more variables too. It is at least very improbable.
Randyco02
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 3:47pmbut just because it is highly improbable doesn’t mean God did it. Where is the evidence connecting God with this situation. It is highly improbable that a lot of things happen, but they do because that is nature
Report Post »vesper
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 4:19pmI agree – for what it’s worth. I’m grateful for such good news through such tragedy. It was inspiring to read and hear about. The amount of bitter comments in such a pessimistic vein on here is so deeply sad. Good to hear not everyone lives that way!
Report Post »vaman
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 12:41pmWhat a truely loving god story. God, thanks for giving me a birth defect. Thanks for letting me get shot 4 times and oh, yeah, thanks for giving my mom terminal cancer.
Report Post »Comissnd
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 12:57pmIts a truly loving man and his free will story.
Report Post »Comissnd
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 11:47am(cont.)
Report Post »God’s mercy has been seen in every tragedy that has ever been experienced. For those who were wounded and or died there were those who did not, there were miracles, there will be philanthropic ventures undertaken, there will be selfish people made more grateful and compassionate and each of those things will reach out loving concentric circles until the master plan has been fulfilled previous the return of our great and loving King.
You can defame Him and rail against Him for not stopping tragedy or always stepping beyond our current medical advances – which He sometimes does anyway – or forcing people to be good or you can recognize that live in a world full of free agents acting on free wills who have rejected the revealed will of the Creator including you. In recognizing the latter you can humbly seek Him, and ask for forgiveness for you own part in choosing yourself and your will over His. In so doing, the anger and confusion is replaced confidence, security, and comfort for your future and in His sovereignty. Most will reject this.
V-MindMeld
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 12:02pmWell said, and most will reject this” unfortunately….people seem to have to have proof for everything, even when the walls are crumbling around in on them,,,God and Jesus only ask for your faith, the proof was simple and it was Jesus, who by the way, died probably one of the most horrible humiliating deaths that one could imagine. For proof God made him whole again and resurected, he lives and will return again…it is not science and we cannot as mortal humans try to figure out God. Most will die trying rather then look into their own hearts and read his word and replace anger and fear with faith.
Report Post »Comissnd
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 12:40pmThank you sir. Let me refer you to 1 Corinthians 1:18-2:16. There is the cut and dry explanation. It saddens me and at times breaks my too hard of a heart. Love em through it!
Soli Deo Gloria!
Report Post »ConservativeCanucklehead
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 1:40pmGod’s indifference and capriciousness have been seen in every tragedy that has ever been experienced. For those who were not maimed or murdered there were those who were, there was randomness to the violence, there will be tortured minds and crippled bodies, there will be once happy people turned to desperation and hopelessness, and each of those things will reach out bitter and damaged concentric circles until the chaos has been overcome by each person’s resolute determination to live on despite the cruelty that has been inflicted upon them, and they can finally and forever bury the deity of an ancient delusion.
Report Post »You can worship a myth and pray to the God of your imagination, who says you were born broken and curses you for it, or you can recognize that we live in a world full of free agents acting on free wills and utterly reject the superstitions of the past and know that religious people believe a lie. In recognizing the latter you can humbly see yourself as a source of enlightenment in a world made darker by the ‘faith’ of deluded minds. In so doing, you will encounter their anger and confusion but we may hope that these will be replaced with a release from closed-mindedness and a renewed sense of human solidarity. Unfortunately, most of the delusional thinkers will reject this.
TomSawyer
Posted on July 25, 2012 at 7:49amConservativeCanucklehead
Using the words indifference and capriciousness to describe God are very bad choices. These are the exact opposite of what I would expect from God after reading the Bible.
Report Post »ConservativeCanucklehead
Posted on July 25, 2012 at 1:05pmTOM
Report Post »Exactly! Reality contradicts the spurious notions of those who put their faith in ancient mythologies.
You did, however, miss my main point; which was to revise and retell COMISSND’s screed of delusional religious drivel that initiates this thread. I started with the full body of his text, then revised it to eliminate the silly religious mumbo-jumbo and reflect human reality.
V-MindMeld
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 11:45amThe reason this country is going down the tubes is because as a nation more and more we are turning away from God, this includes morally and economically and will only get worse. We have more and more stressed out people being generated now then ever before in our history. We are as a nation on a path to self destruct from within, without Gods blessings as a nation. He has blessed us for many years as we recognized his word and stood up and looked out for Israel, and as a nation regarded Gods word, even simple things like the 10 commandments in schools, public faciltiy etc. but with all the politcal correctness run amuck, he has been all but pushed out of our society, so now we are seeing and living the consequences. Good innocent people will die and so will the bad ones, but God allows us to turn to him to lead us out of the dark times. There is no guarantee no matter who you are christain or otherwise you will be spared from bad things. ok, point is: if this country doesnt get back on track morally and start turning to God and soon! things are going to get far worse,,,besides it pretty well spelled out in the book of Revalations,,,dont take it from me im just a poster in here :)
Report Post »Randyco02
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 1:17pmI always found it interesting that Christians were soo obsessed with having the 10 commandments displayed everywhere. the 10 commandments are old laws that banned “serious” sins like saying the Lords name in vain and “breaking” the sabbath. Why don’t christians want the Beatitudes displayed? because most christians don’t like the whole loving their enemies and turning the other cheek thing!
Report Post »Comissnd
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 11:35am(Cont.)
Report Post »As for the issue of God’s goodness. We tend to want more than anything to have our own free wills. Many of you say that if God exists He is evil because having the power to stop such things did not. Lets suppose He did. God stops all acts of evil. Who defines evil? You? Me? The shooter? Lets say God does. Here you want Him to stop evil acts, to prevent such tragedy. That means He stops you at some point from doing certain things that you want to do such as gaining from other people’s losses, cheating on or at anything, lying, etc… In other words, He takes away your free will and the free will of everyone who exists. You are now noting more than a robot doing only what God says is right. If this were a forthcoming fact you would then call that removal of your free will evil as well. Here is the end of the matter then; you cannot have it both ways. You either have a free will along with everyone else and choose the evil that is “good for you” which we call moral relativism, or you surrender your will to One who gives the perfect standard. God is indeed a loving God. When we come to Him through faith in Jesus Christ it is by an act of love initiated by the Father, completed by the Son, empowered by the Holy Spirit and acted on by our will.
(cont.)
The_Cabrito_Goat
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 11:31amhttp://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/natural_evil_theodicity.html#n09
Report Post »Comissnd
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 11:21amThe death of a six year old is troubling – disturbing even. Tragedy is going to happen and that is an unfortunate fact. That is the price that we pay for our much vaunted free wills. When this man carried our his plan, he was acting on his own free will’s desire and according to his own moral code, his own ethical standards. To him, it was the right thing to do. You hear people say this frequently, “Thats great if it works for you. Whats right for you is not right for me” and there is the door to the miseries of societies. Innocent life was taken and the most cited example by those angry at God and seeking to prove His nonexistence or capriciousness is the six year old. Intuitively all of us know that the younger the life the more innocent and less deserving of imposed death or murder that life is. Thus the exclamations of injustice allowed at the young one’s death. You are justified in your anger. Taking young innocent life is evil and has the appearance of increasing wickedness as the murdered decreases in age and we welcome your voices in calling it what it is.
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annelouisegelinas
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 8:37pmThis is the type of horror that happens when mankind and womankind decide not to take heed and listen to God and their inner self. If everyone wants to live their lives their own way, then that is your free choice to do. It is a gift from God. Yes, you can say for some it is a gift and for others it is a death sentence. But it isn‘t God’s doing. You are born, you learn right from wrong (remember the Tree of good and evil) and you grow and live out your life according to how well you learned. When a person stops listening for God’s voice, then evil can overcome good. This senseless shooting and murder of others is a person who stopped listening and stopped learning. Could be some deep rooted personal issues never resolved. It doesn’t stop the hurt or the horrow and loss of loved ones. Pray to God for their souls and their happiness with Him. I send my sympathy to all involved and my prayer that
Report Post »humankind will continue to turn their thoughts to God and together perhaps we can bring peace on earth.
pdw
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 11:13amSounds like people do not know nor understand God. There will always be death and there will always be those who live. I know for a fact; why I have been here for the last 5 years still is a wonder and a question at the same time. But for a fact I do know the peace I had in my time of need and each time I did die but was brought back to the world of the living. Events in each and everyone’s live teaches us only what we are willing to listen for; be it Good or Evil. We can learn to hate or how to Love and it has nothing to do with living or dying but in what we have become that makes us who and what we are.
Report Post »child of the King
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 8:11pm@PDW.their is still alot of people that say thereis no God, but this story is proof and I’m positive there is many, many, many more stories out there likethis that says their is a God. With God,ALL things are possible. Miracles still and will happen.
Report Post »N37BU6
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:45amC̶h̶a̶n̶c̶e̶
Miracle
Christian logic for you.
Report Post »BenInNY
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 11:07amTake a really wonderful story and needlessly turn it into a debate likely to spark arguments: Atheist M.O. for you.
Report Post »theninthplanet
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 11:23amThank you oh great and wonderful randomizer, picking the outcome with an infinitesimally small chance of occurrence. Thank you for awarding me the best possible result in a horrible situation that I could not control, I know you’re choosing my correct destiny.
mir·a·cle/ˈmirikəl/
A surprising and welcome event that is not explicable by natural or scientific laws and is considered to be divine.
A highly improbable or extraordinary event, development, or accomplishment.
I feel sympathy for you atheists.
Report Post »The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 11:28amJust want people to live in reality.
Report Post »The_Cabrito_Goat
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 11:32amHow did you cross out that word?
Report Post »Pontiac
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 11:25pmMaybe BB code works here.
Report Post »[b]bold[/b]
Pontiac
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 11:30pmOr not…
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The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:29amhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HthQ6a7FZeA
Report Post »lylejk
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:24amGod wanted man to have free will yet willingly give up said will to Him that unfortunatly consequences will happen due to having free will. Even the angels weren’t allowed to have this gift. God’s given man a choice. This ******* chose his. No one can understand why God gave us free will to make choices. Praise God that this lady had been touched at birth to survive such a situation like this and mentally be unscathed. Hope her witness will help others realize Who’s really in control and be a help to others. As for the idiots who believe otherwise, that is your free will’s choice to do so. ‘Nough said. :)
Report Post »AndYetItMoves
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:32amNough said indeed. Ever notice how it’s always unintelligent people trying to tell you they have everything figured out?
Report Post »ConservativeCanucklehead
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 8:46pmIn answer to your question ANDY: yes
Report Post »24conservative
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:19amWant a wonderful story of a modern day miracle, thank you Blaze for sharing!
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 1:49pmmiracle?!!?!? you moron
Report Post »JQuentinEvermann
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:18amThis really is incredible, and we should all consider it to be amazing in some way, but it has as much to do with God as it does with some haikouichthys escaping the maw of an anomalocaris. Be grateful for what you have while you have it. Thank God if it brings you comfort. But don‘t mistake one unlikely survivor among a sea of blood as a sign of God’s grace.
Report Post »AndYetItMoves
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:30amI certainly do find it amazing. The utter solipsism, hubris, and self-righteousness of you horrible christians is amazing to me. I find it amazing that you try to use such a tragedy to proselytize and promote your convoluted notion of god.
Report Post »The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 11:11amANDYETITMOVES
I think you misunderstood him.
Report Post »JQuentinEvermann
Posted on July 25, 2012 at 3:27pmHaha, I was thinking the same thing. Either that or he replied to the same comment. Or, he’s 12.
Report Post »Bryancpe
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:09amWhy are they raising money for medical care? I thought Obamacare solved all that.
Report Post »meeester
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:23amyou’re racist!
Report Post »Calm Voice of Reason
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 12:40pmNo, what “Obamacare” actually does is prevent her insurance company from retro-actively cancelling her policy due to the undisclosed pre-existing condition of having a brain abnormality.
Report Post »puravida56
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 9:26amChristians using this tragedy to promote God’s grace and greatness are no different than anti gun hollywood elite using this tragedy to support tougher gun laws. People are dead. Dont use their pain to spread propaganda for your agenda.
Report Post »AndYetItMoves
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 9:45amWhence good? Well, god is good.
Whence evil? God is mysterious.
These are the psychological defense mechanisms of an infant.
Report Post »GJPinks
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 9:58amPara, I will pray that the evil hate that fills your heart will be drained away. May God forgive you.
Report Post »AndYetItMoves
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:03amAnd may Thor bring ruination upon your village for worshiping a false idol.
Report Post »cwrink
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:13amPara, you may have to experience one of these tragic situations one day. I think you will change your attitude then.. who else but God can come to your rescue. He is very present in times of danger but call on Him while He may be found. Your “someday” may be too late.
Report Post »pdw
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:27amSounds like you have a lot of hate in your heart. You would not know the truth if it jumped up and bit you.
Report Post »EnigmanDen
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:31amWhy do you get to tell this family how they may react to their own very real tragedy? What an arrogant response. Shame on you.
Report Post »pdw
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:35amHATE is your Idol worship.
Report Post »PoppaJelt
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 11:54amPURAVIDA: If you woud give me a chance I would show you What God is to those who believe, and to you. You said you went to Church and Bible Groups ect and it did nothing – Give me a chance to show you the Love of God in reality, not what you percieve God to be now. Taliesin_stephen@yahoo.com
This is an old email so anyone feel free to spam it all you want.
Report Post »puravida56
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 12:09pm@poppa- I appreciate the sincerity of your offer and the kindness and good will behind it. You are acting on your faith instead of just attacking me. That said- I don‘t think there is anything you can offer that I haven’t already thought of, contemplated, studied and /or prayed about.
I didnt say I went to bible groups and it did nothing. I was a born again, praying, gospel spreading fire in the soul believer for about a decade. I ministered, I went on missions, I was a counselor at christian camps. I didnt just talk the talk, I walked the walk and for a long time believed it completely.
Again- thanks for your concern….but I have been there. I have done that.
Report Post »Pounding_hammer
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 12:26pm@ PURAVIDA56
Oh?
I’ve noticed some of your other posts on this story… they all seem to focus on God.
Are you upset with Christians on the Blaze, or are you upset with God Himself?
We Christians can be upsetting people at times, because we’re terribly sinful just as all people on earth.
Christians here on the Blaze will not bring you happiness.
But if your argument is with God, then you need to tell Him. Argue with Him, wrestle with Him. Tell a pastor you trust your complaints about what God has done wrong to you.
There are things to do, to settle your dispute with God.
But Christians on the Blaze are sinful, we say/think/do sinful things, and we will not be able to know God’s ways fully.
Report Post »So we also look to God, and Ask, and Pray.
puravida56
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 12:46pm@ pounding Hammer- my frustration is with christians who act the way I used to act. I used to be angry at god because of what I saw in the world and what I read in the bible. I did pray anout it, wrestle with it and talked to pastors and priests about it. Then I went a step further and read about the history of the time. My conclusion- the god of the bible does not exist….and if he does, he is evil.
Perosnally, I do not know there is a god- but in the absence of proof, I will presume that their isnt. I cant be angry at something that I do not believe is there.
I probably post more often on these threads because I disagree with the other posters. In most blaze threads I agree with the posters so no need to post and provide a differing view.
Report Post »Pounding_hammer
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 1:05pm@ PURAVIDA56
I suppose there is nothing wrong with posting a comment to disagree with another poster, so I’d have no problem with you on that one.
And sorry to imply that you haven’t wrestled with this, I understand your explanation.
My comments on the Blaze won‘t be able to be able to go into the full scope of what I’d choose to say if we were in person, so I guess the only thing I’d comment is, I noticed you mentioned looking into more history and for evidence of a God, and found there to be none.
My response to that is that the essence of Christianity, is Faith. We don’t rely on the evidence or lack there of, just pure faith.
Now, I happen to personally disagree with you that there is no evidence now or in past history, but that’s a larger topic to handle.
But I understand and trust you that you have spent the time and honestly sought out answers. I see from your brief posts that appear to have been determined and put effort into your conclusion you are at now.
May the Holy Spirit work.
Report Post »Take care PURAVIDA56, may Christ not return too soon, for your souls sake.
IslandMama
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 9:08amGod did not cause this tragedy. He has a plan and a purpose for our lives. No one perishes unless He allows it. We cannot imagine why He allowed it, but He did not cause it. He has given us free choice and the shooter used that for evil. Even though people died, and that is tragic to those left behind, God will use this for good somehow and He will walk with those left behind. He will not leave them nor forsake them. And those who are with Him are happier than we can imagine. He is real. He is good. He cares. The young woman who was spared clearly has work to do here on Earth when she recovers. He will reveal to her what that is in His time.
Report Post »puravida56
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 9:24amThe 6 year old girl………..he chose to not let her live. You can say we are too dumb to understand his plan. I can say that if that’s the best plan he can come up with, then the plan stinks.
Report Post »yep
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 9:26amRomans 8:35-39 (New International Version)
Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword?
As it is written:
“For your sake we face death all day long;
we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”
No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Report Post »puravida56
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:15am@yep
Zeus says:
‘Oh for shame, how the mortals put the blame on us gods, for they say evils come from us, but it is they, rather, who by their own recklessness win sorrow beyond what is given […].’ (1.32-34)
The Odyssey
or-
One fish , two fish, red fish, blue fish 1:1 Dr Suess
yep
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:59amProverbs 1:7
Report Post »Pearsontech
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 11:44am@Islandmama While I understand what you are trying to say and agree with the underlying concept you really should choose your words a bit more wisely. “No one perishes unless He allows it.” Come on seriously?? First of all that is not how it works at all and doesn’t really do anything other than the exact opposite of what you are intending. I pushes people away.
John 10:10 “The thief comes not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.” There is an enemy in this world and he is the thief not god.
John 16:33 Jesus tells us “These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.” He’s saying to us that trouble is certainly coming (no one is exempt not even Christians), but that “in Him we may have peace because he has overcome the world”
Matthew 18:14 “Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish”
2 Peter 3:9 “The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is long-suffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
I you haven’t had a chance to see this yet I highly recommend you look up Louie Giglio and his hope message it really speaks to this current tragedy but also applies to anyone as no one on this earth is immune to tria
Report Post »puravida56
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 8:52amMy biggest pet peeve is when people praise god and say he is great for saving one life when he let 12 others die. Why did God save this woman but let a 6 year old girl die??? In what Universe is letting a 6 year old die (when you have the ability to intervene and intervene for others) a perfect plan?
God has a great gig- he gets praise for happy events but for sad events he is teflon- no criticism can stick at all. You just cant have it both ways. I wish my job was like that. I wish I got praised for all successes (even if I had no part in them) and absolved of all failures.
I am very happy for this woman and wish her the best in life. But the fact is she is lucky to be living in 2012. If she had been born 100 years ago- God would not have had the technology to save her.
Report Post »1proudAmerican
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 9:00amI believe everything happens for a reason – good and bad. It’s hard to comprehend what the reasons are sometimes and by the time we will be able to ask God “why”, it won’t matter anymore.
Report Post »Jayms
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 9:12amI guess when odds are four billion to one in your favor, such extreme cases of luck are seen as divine.
Report Post »TROLLMONGER
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 9:15amExactly Pura!!! Religeous people cherry pick when their god is involved or not. Religion is all about control and making people who are afraid to die think that they are going to some sort of paradise.
Report Post »stumpy68
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 9:53amGod doesn’t micro manage i praise him when things
Report Post »like this happen for the opportunity of those that live to have more time
and pray that those who died reside with him.
And for those that say why does God allow bad things to happen,
two of Gods greatest gifts are free will and personal responsibility unfortunately
the same things that allow us to grow allow us to do horrendous things.
objectivetruth
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:06amI understand your rationale.Maybe I can help here.God in his infinite wisdom does have a plan.Not that its necessarily clear cut or even wanted[at the time].Its hard to want something that will cause you grief pain and anger.However the reasons he chooses to let some live and others die is simple.They have finished their work.There last work is teaching the living how to accept dieing with grace and humility.Its about bringing the living closer and chosing to cherish the time you have with your family.Its about learning that death isn’t permanent.While the body [vessel]does die, the spirit doesn’t.
Report Post »To your last statement.While I would agree that science increased her odds of survival drastically.
She still may have survived a hundred yrs ago although the odds would have been much slimer.There are people who survive without intervention and or have their own medical problems hopelessly complicated by the wrong medical intervention.Explain that other than faith and purpose.
AndYetItMoves
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:08am‘two of Gods greatest gifts are free will and personal responsibility’
Let’s break that one down briefly.
Free will: God gives us free will so that we can use it to conform to a meticulously detailed standard of living (one that has a suspicious number of rules involving livestock), and if we do not, he will inflict an eternity of unfathomable torture upon us. Only North Koreans would consider this to be free will.
Personal responsibility: Is we spend our entire lives raping, murdering, lying, stealing, etc., all we need do is call out to jesus on our deathbed and receive the blessing of complete vicarious atonement. Off to heaven instead of the inferno. Very little responsibility involved there.
Report Post »The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:11am@Pura
I couldn’t agree more. It really is sickening and evil. “I got a great rate on my mortgage! God is great!“ as I typed that a handful of children just died somewhere in the world ”God is mysterious”
A lady on here once told a story about how her car broke down and next thing she knew she was parked in front of her house. God is a tow truck driver and does AAA like work…while little children die horrible agonizing deaths. It really makes me sick to my stomach.
Every delusional person should watch this….and then think.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HthQ6a7FZeA
Report Post »tajloc
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:13amPlease PURA read Romans 8:28…Just one verse. We don‘t get toknow God’s plan. Almost all your note above is false. 100 years ago men were opening the cranium. I don’t know if we would have had similar results.
Report Post »All folks die. The question is will you live again with Him? Will you? Have you ever lied? Stolen? Lusted? Do you deserve death?
I pray for you.
puravida56
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:17am@objective wisdom- Every 10 seconds a child dies a horrible and painful death by starvation. There is no perfect plan that allows for such misery.
Report Post »yooperjo
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:37amWow, I thought you were describing Obama.
Report Post »PoppaJelt
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 11:01amThis might be redundant responding to those who are hurt and confused by the idea of trying to figure out God’s “perfect plan” when they see innocent children dying and very few saved by miraculous events. You try to explain God’s love and mercy and desires in light of evidence you see.
There are things you need to know regarding God’s word and his “perfect plan”.
-1 – All of us are sinners – and thereby unable to enter into God’s presence asking fo rmercy ect, UNLESS there was a perfect mediator – something/someone who payed for that sin who . ENTER the Christ. If you do not believe that Christ died and Rose again in your heart of hearts, how can you then go to God on your own merits? all have fallen short. Even a 6 year old Child is foolish and evil at times in his life…this might be hard to accept as we percieve kids as “innocent”.
Report Post »2 – Free will: ANDYETITMOVES is claiming that you must conform to some old testament standard of living, yet that is not the reality today. The Law of moses does not apply today but is for example and learning only. The only commandment to live by is to “Love God with your heart soul mind and strength” and to “love your neighbor as yourself” -. All the Law does is reveal what sin is.
3 ANDYETITMOVES clearly stated how responsibility is lifted from a person who murdered, killed, raped, ect all his life – yet on his deathbed repented in his heart and actually believed Christ died for him. All sin is taken away. Fo
PoppaJelt
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 11:16amLastly, the Devil is the ruler of this world, not God. God didn’t have some predestined plan to save some and let others die. The Devil has a plan steal kill and destroy, while God gave people an OUT through Christ. Free will and choices of those who do and do not serve God will “predetermine” what will happen. The goodness of God is all around you if you would see – hence why some people praise God for towing their car to their front house, versus praising God for saving a women’s life. Trying to reason that God chose some people to live and others to not makes no sense when God gave the OPPORTUNITY for EVERYONE to LIVE either in this life or the next, and gave them a CHOICE to believe NOW and call out to him. This lady who’ s life was saved miraculously seems to have a very strong support group through her Church with many people praying for her mother and family prior to this event. She has great need with God fearing people praying and calling out to God. They ALLOW God into their life, hence he saved her. I imagine she has a relationship with God through jesus Christ. Others Might call out to God when bullets are flying… yet they do not know/understand how to reach him — Only through Jesus Christ. (See my last post) It was them that rejected God in the first place, not God rejecting them. God is not going to overstep your free will, your choices, your desires, your mind to save you; yet you can CHOOSE to be saved by God THROUGH Jesus Christ, simply.
Report Post »kaydeebeau
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 11:18amA man can no more diminish God’s glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word, ‘darkness’ on the walls of his cell. C. S. Lewis
Report Post »stumpy68
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 1:59pm@AndYetItMoves
Report Post »Please read the new testament your ignorance is
showing.
masimo
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 2:41pm@puravita: What in the heck is a 6 year old girl doing at this type of a movie at midnight? Why is the discussion always there is no God if He can allow this to happen, or “we need gun control” when the real topic is the violent crap that Hollywood puts out, parents that do not set limits on their children, and mental illness (which the shotter obivously has) not addressed? Nope the blame is always that there is no God, and guns are evil. What the heck happened to this country??
Report Post »ConservativeCanucklehead
Posted on July 25, 2012 at 12:42pmNice job ANDY.
Report Post »Yes, indeed!
karenjourden
Posted on July 27, 2012 at 2:55pmI have read quit a few of your posts. You said you read the Bible but evidently didn’t study it. Evil came into the world because mankind disobeyed God. Therefore, death came into the world. God made mankind with a free will to obey him or not. He did not make robots which he could have. We choose to do the things we do.
Report Post »It sounds like you went to church but did not give your heart to God. It is not for me to judge because only you and God know whether you meant it or not. However, we are to be fruit examiners. You are asking God to give a sign. Matthew 4:7-“Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou salt not tempt the Lord thy God.”
In Romans 10: 8-11 “But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.”
Faith is defined in Hebrews 11- “Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Archeology has proven many times events in the Bible is true. Even today Damascus is in the news. Events of today are in Revelations, Daniel, Ezekiel and some others. Do we understand all things? No because we do not know all things like God does
kickagrandma
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 8:30amOur GOD IS AN AWESOME GOD filled with love, mercy, pardon and presence.
GOD BLESS!
Report Post »AndYetItMoves
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 8:40am‘filled with love, mercy, pardon and presence.’
Tell that to the dead. Your God is capricious, reactionary, tribalistic, and apparently not up to speed on the latest developments in science, much like all of you blazers. That should tell you something about where your concept of god comes from.
Report Post »kickagrandma
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 8:49am@ANDYET….
The dead have already met HIM face to face and are either with HIM in HEAVEN or separated from HIM forever in hell by their own choice. Seems to me from the way your spew your poisonous anger it would do you good to ask HIM, “GOD, are YOU real? Will YOU show YOURSELF to me, please?” If you are sincere and honest in this prayer, HE WILL. If YOU are the coward you appear to be and are playing with HIM, you are in deep tapioca darlin’. GOD KNOWS your heart. Do you?
Report Post »ISRAELISOURFRIEND
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 8:59amANDYETITMOVES.
SHE DID TELL THAT TO ALL, SOME OF THE DEAD LISTENED, AND YOU RESPONDED.
HAVING PROBLEMS BELIEVING IN A GOD THAT DOES EXIST?
READ EVIDENCE DEMANDS A VERDICT BY JOSH MCDOWEL.
YOU’RE SO INTELLIGENT, LETS ME DARE YOU TO READ IT.
BE WARNED, IT WAS WRITTEN BY A SCHOLAR, FOR SCHOLARS!
LET’S SEE HOW SMART YOU ARE AFTER YOU BECOME EDUCATED!
GOD IS MORE REAL THAN YOUR OWN EXISTENCE!
God Bless us all!
Report Post »puravida56
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 9:03amKickagrandma- what kind of handle is that for a christian? Anyways- I prayed for God to reveal himself to me daily with complete humility and with an open heart. I read the bible, studied it in groups, and prayed for gods wisdom on a daily basis for 10 years.
But after a while- I could no longer deceive myself…..no matter how badly I wanted too.
Report Post »DeavonReye
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 11:08amPuravida, I got you beat by a decade. Sincerely sought for god. . . “as the deer panteth for the water….”. What I got in return was a deep, dark nothingness. An undeniable black void. It would have been insane to continue a belief under those conditions. “Believing” just because some other human being was telling me I should, with no credible evidence of support [and especially when extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence]??? THAT is foolish.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 8:27amA true miracle indeed, one placed there by Gods hand from her lifes beginning to save her for another purpose to come in the years ahead. May she and all of those injured have a swift, full and complete recovery.
Report Post »AndYetItMoves
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 8:37amAre you people serious with this? What about the 12 innocents that baby jesus chose not to protect? Why did he tip the scales in this girl’s favor, but made sure all the other would never see their families again. Does anyone notice the double standard? This type of rhetoric is childish, imbecilic, and an insult to the memory of the dead.
Report Post »theninthplanet
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 8:43am@andyetitmoves
You mad bro?
Report Post »puravida56
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 9:00amI am mad. Twelve innocent people are dead. That makes me mad. Now you are telling me God had the power to save them (if he had the power to save this woman he could have saved them all) but he chose not to.
A 6 year old girl died and god turned his back on her. That should make everyone who believes mad.
How would you treat a doctor who saved one patient but let another die?
I am not mad at God because I doubt he is there. If he is there, he never intervenes. If he intervenes, but chooses who gets the intervention- then he is a jerk because 12 children died of starvation in the time it took me to type this post. What- they do not get manna from heaven?
It does bug me when people claim to be special in god’s eyes and benefit from his life saving mercy when a 6 year old doesnt qualify for said mercy. Its arrogant, egotistical and sophmoric.
Report Post »virgie morgan
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 9:03am@ANDYETITMOVES
Report Post »We cannot know why God permists some to die and some to live. It is not our call to make. All we can really do is seculate about the reasons. It is tragic that people died in this way. I believe that we are all put here for a reason and we will be here until that reason has been fulfilled. I also believe that the things that are coming on the world some people here today would never make it through them with their souls and I believe God takes them home to save them from that. I, nor any other person can say with certainity why God does what He does, but I know that in the end we will all know the answers to it all and how it could not have been any other way. That is called living by faith and not by sight. I also know that we praise God in the good things and in the bad things. He is the author and finisher of our faith. Let go of the bitterness of what you expected and accept what will truly make you happy for only God knows your heart better than you do. Let go and Let God.
Graffiti71
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 9:40amLife is a gift. But life was never meant to be all fun and games. In fact, life in general is quite tough. There are good times in life and there are bad times in life. The older we get the more we are given to chose how we want to live our own life, whether it’s through good decisions or bad ones. Even God allows us to decide. Yet, we curse at God when someone dies whether we believe in Him or not. And those who believe in him praise Him when someone survives an ordeal. But tell me, is it a selfish thing to get angry when someone is taken away from us? Or shouldn’t we be praising Him when an innocent person is taken early to be with Him instead of having to deal with living on this Earth? I know, It’s a tough thing to consider and think about. But if it is situations like these that causes someone to not want to believe in God, then selfishness will always rule their life.
Report Post »AndYetItMoves
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 9:49am“But if it is situations like these that causes someone to not want to believe in God, then selfishness will always rule their life.”
And yet, look around you at all these people reaffirming their belief in god because this one girl survived. You have to notice the double standard at some point. Christians will take absolutely anything positive in life (especially if it helps them out personally) and attribute it to god’s goodness, but then they have the gall to turn around and call someone selfish for pointing out that god seems to let a whole lot of evil slip through the cracks. This is a mindless way to live.
Report Post »Graffiti71
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:22am@ANDYETITMOVES
Report Post »You’re right, He does. In spite of this evil act, there was a LOT of good that came about from this. Lot’s of people helping people. From those shielding themselves to save another, to those trying to help others out of harms way, to the doctors and the police, and so on and so on. All that good from a tragedy, and you didn’t notice? So many fail to see God’s work. So many afraid to.
AndYetItMoves
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:35amWhere were the fingerprints of God in the Holocaust? The Rwandan genocide? New Orleans? Columbine?
Kindly grow up.
Report Post »Graffiti71
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 11:37amGrow up from what? And why do you say such a comment?
Death is a part of life. How we die does not change that. I just want to understand why it is the certainty of death that have you so angry at God and those who believe in Him. I’m just curious. Is it how these people died? Or is it the reactions of believers towards those who survived? Should we feel guilty for the survivors? I don’t understand the logic? But I am trying.
Report Post »ConservativeCanucklehead
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 8:30pmGRAFFITY
Report Post »I’ll let ANDY speak for himself, but when I direct the same expression (“grow up”) to religious people here’s what I mean: Grow up!
“Grow up from what?”, you ask. From the infantile, superstitious delusion of your ‘faith’.
“And why do you say such a comment?”, you ask. Because it is utterly ridiculous — and more than a little dangerous to rest of us — to allow yourself to live with a mind, that is otherwise probably rational, switched off. It is childish, akin to the faith many of us once had in Santa, and the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy. Grow up already!
HUGGINGMYBABIES
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 8:18amEven in the darkest moments, God shows us his power and unending love!
Report Post »puravida56
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 9:05amTell that to the families of the 12 dead.
Report Post »Pacapapa
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:31am@pura..
Report Post »Now you’re getting it! That’s exactly what we are supposed to do is tell their families about the goodness of God and how He sacrificed His own son to save the world from sin. In times of trouble and dispair we are to turn to God not away from Him. We don‘t know that those twelve aren’t already rejoicing in God’s glory never to know trouble or sorrow ever again. Read some of the stories of the boyfriends who sheilded their girlfriends with their own bodies. There is no greater love than to lay down one’s life for one’s friends (John 15:13). We don’t know why some died and many more survived but we do know that many more survived. God tells us, that all things work together for good to those who love God and have been called according to his purpose (Romans 8:28).
Please read these quotes and the surronding text for yourself.
Randyco02
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 1:10pmI know why some died and other didn’t, because some bullets went in some people and other people were not hit by bullets. End of story. Some people didn’t get get in serious places and other did. A psychotic person shot bullets at people and he hit some of them and killed them. To say that the Christian God gave this girl a defect to later save her lacks any evidence. I could just as logically presume that The flying Spaghetti Monster that lives in the Ocean saved her life
Report Post »TROLLMONGER
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 8:16amI love how the christians always resort to their excuses of them being protected by their god when something life threatening happens. That is just a really lazy, vague and naive way of explaining what really happened.
kickagrandma
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 8:30amYou don’t KNOW HIM, do you?
Report Post »loneindividual
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 8:37amha
Report Post »AMERICANVOICE
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 8:44amMy God reigns and I wish you knew Him! He is an awesome God!
Report Post »DTR
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 8:49amI feel sorry for you TrollMonger… How would you explain this? Luck? Luck happens in sports. God happens when you should be dead, but aren’t.
Report Post »TROLLMONGER
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 9:12amPhysics, Physiology, and Anatomy. Educate yourselves about reality before spouting off vague opinions about a fantasy god neither of you can prove exists.
Report Post »Graffiti71
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:11amThen what is YOUR explanation to what really happened, Trollmonger? And why so much anger towards believers anyway? Did you ever consider that maybe God’s own architecture and engineering is behind all that is Physics, Physiology, and Anatomy? We were made in His own image. Think about it, I mean SERIOUSLY, think about it. We are one HUGELY amazing creatures. How can that be by chance?
Report Post »AndYetItMoves
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:38amOne hugely amazing creature with a tailbone (vestigial remnants of the tails we all used to have), an appendix that serves no biological purpose other than to sometimes kill you by infection, a set of tonsils that do the same, egos that are far too big and frontal lobes that are far too small. Oh and it’s very likely that our species will bring about its own destruction. Amazing indeed.
Report Post »checkmate0831
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:41am@troll- you cant prove he doesnt exist. Stalemate.
There is freewill and evil in this world. Why do 10 kids ever second starve? Evil dictatorships hoarding the food and medicine maybe?? Darfur, mahli, ehthiopa comes to mind. Evil rulers such as mao, marx and hitler ( and plz doent even try and he says he was a christian. Jesus said you will know ME by your fruits. He wasnt producing much fruit)
The bible is clear that bad things will happen to good people. Job, daniel, paul and of course jesus who died the ultimate death. Do we always know why? Nope.
Trials and Temptations
2 Consider it pure joy, my brothers and sisters,[a] whenever you face trials of many kinds, 3 because you know that the testing of your faith produces perseverance. 4 Let perseverance finish its work so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything. 5 If any of you lacks wisdom, you should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to you. 6 But when you ask, you must believe and not doubt, because the one who doubts is like a wave of the sea, blown and tossed by the wind. 7 That person should not expect to receive anything from the Lord. 8 Such a person is double-minded and unstable in all they do.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:59amYou’re pitiful. Truely pitiful.
Report Post »AndYetItMoves
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 11:04amYou have a ‘truely’ christian command of the English language.
Report Post »ConservativeCanucklehead
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 1:10pmNo matter how many are killed or maimed, the ‘believers’ among us will always be able to recognize the Lord’s divine hand at work. Such is the power of … delusional thinking.
Report Post »ConservativeCanucklehead
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 1:17pmCHECKMATE
Report Post »You can’t prove the tooth-fairy doesn’t exist. Stalemate.
(You see, your God is on-par with the tooth-fairy.)
FAITH47
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 2:24pmI dare you to ask Jesus to show his face and tell him what you want to know. he will show it to you that he is the light of the world, I dare you!!!!Remember hell is real.
Report Post »DLV
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 5:14pmI’ve noticed that most if not all atheists on this site always resort to name calling. Honestly, its like they get their jollies calling people names. I just read another article about the egyptian actor hitting people and at the end of the video some anti-semite woman makes anti-semitic remarks about Jews and the holocaust, I don’t call her names I just feel bad for them. Also, all you atheists commenting the more you continue to mock christianity the stronger christians become. Jesus said the truth will always be under attack and when you resort to poor name calling… well then I know I’m on the right track. Sad…. just sad. As for the article, I won‘t go out of my way to say it’s a miracle God may or may not have influenced but I generally identify miracles by events that defy all logic, reason, physics so on. Like my aunt who had emphysema and had no treatment from doctors and they said she was going to die soon and then on day, she is as good as new, better than before in fact. That is what a miracle would be this is still amazing but I would not go out of my way to call it a miracle.
Report Post »TomSawyer
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 7:06pmConservativeCanucklehead wrote: “You can’t prove the tooth-fairy doesn’t exist. Stalemate.
(You see, your God is on-par with the tooth-fairy.)”
If you say that I don’t know if the tooth-fairy exist then you have not made a logical error.
But If you say that the tooth-fairy does not exist then you have made a logical error,
because you can not prove a negative.
God is not on par with anyone. God exists and he can prove He exists. His existence does not require that I prove his existence. You can not prove that God does not exist because it is impossible to prove a negative.
Report Post »ConservativeCanucklehead
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 8:03pmTOMSAWYER
Report Post »“…it is impossible to prove a negative.”
Of course you’re right Tom. Thanks for pointing out the obvious. And for agreeing with me that in that respect CheckMate’s deity is no different than the tooth-fairy.
TomSawyer
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 8:04pmConservativeCanucklehead wrote: ” No matter how many are killed or maimed, the ‘believers’ among us will always be able to recognize the Lord’s divine hand at work. Such is the power of … delusional thinking.”
You have committed the fallacy of over generalization. Believers will differ on their opinion on what is ” Lord’s divine hand at work“ so the word ”always” is wrong. You do not know if it is delusional to believe it because you do not know what is the Lord’s work and what is not.
Report Post »TomSawyer
Posted on July 25, 2012 at 8:18amConservativeCanucklehead wrote: “TOMSAWYER“…it is impossible to prove a negative.”
Of course you’re right Tom. Thanks for pointing out the obvious. And for agreeing with me that in that respect CheckMate’s deity is no different than the tooth-fairy.”
You missed the point. TrollMonger said “vague opinions about a fantasy god neither of you can prove exists.” Then he responded back saying that well you can not prove that he does not exist. This is a valid logical statement directly arguing against the idea that God is fantasy. The claim to truth was made by Trollmonger too. This is a claim that God does not exist. There is no way to prove or know that. But it is possible for God to prove He exists. So it is not illogical to say God exists because it is possible to know that.
Then you said but that is true with the tooth-fairy too. Why did someone ask for someone to prove the tooth-fairy exists? No. So there is no reason to point out that someone can not prove that the tooth-fairy does not exist? No claim of truth was made about the tooth-fairy. But Trollmonger made a claim that God did not exist by using the word fantasy. This is were the illogic began. Logic can be correct or incorrect regardless of knowing the validity of the premise. Trollmonger can not know if God does not exist. But you can know if God does exist.
Report Post »ConservativeCanucklehead
Posted on July 25, 2012 at 3:27pmTOM
“… it is not illogical to say God exists because it is possible to know that.”
How? How is it possible?
Remember, we have agreed that it is impossible to prove (know) that God doest not exist. Presumably, if there is a way to prove (test) that God DOES exist, then this test could also be the means to demonstrate that God does NOT exist.
In other words, you are saying that anyone can know/verify that God exists by means of X. However, if the X test is conducted and God is not discovered/revealed/encountered … then God would be falsified. No?
Also, if this test exists then does it not obliterate the need for faith?
So by all means, explain the God test for me.
Report Post »Perhaps you could also explain how I might have misunderstood what seems like a contradiction on your part.
biohazard23
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 7:57amGod bless!!!
Report Post »harley3
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 8:09amAmen!!!
Report Post »AndYetItMoves
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 9:51amHail Satan!!!!
Report Post »TyrannyNoMore
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 2:40pmANDYETITMOVES…….I do believe your demonic possession is showing !!
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