Public Health Experts Reportedly Targeting Gun Violence as ‘Social Disease’
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Dr. Stephen W. Hargarten poses for a photo in a trauma room at Froedtert & Medical College of Wisconsin's emergency department in Milwaukee. (Photo: AP)
(The Blaze/AP) — Is a gun like a virus, tobacco or alcohol? According to “public health experts,“ who in the wake of recent mass shootings are calling for a fresh look at gun violence as a ”social disease,” it is.
What we need, they say, is a “public health approach” to the problem.
Dr. Garen Wintemute of University of California, Davis claims it is no longer enough to tackle gun violence by focusing solely on the people doing the shooting. Dr. Stephen Hargarten, who treated victims of the Sikh temple shootings at the emergency department he heads in Milwaukee, feels the same way.
“What I’m struggling with is, is this the new social norm?” he asked, before asserting: “This is what we’re going to have to live with if we have more personal access to firearms.”
He continued: “We have a public health issue to discuss. Do we wait for the next outbreak or is there something we can do to prevent it?”
About 260 million to 300 million firearms are owned by civilians in the United States; about one-third of American homes have one. Last year, 55 percent of Americans said gun laws should either remain the same or become more lenient.
Certain elements of the “public health approach” to gun control include:
-“Host” factors: What makes someone more likely to shoot, or someone more likely to be a victim. One recent study found firearm owners are more likely than those with no firearms at home to binge drink or drink and drive, the AP reports.
-Disease patterns, observing how a problem spreads. Gun ownership – a precursor to gun violence – can spread “much like an infectious disease circulates,” said Daniel Webster, a health policy expert and co-director of the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research in Baltimore.
“There’s sort of a contagion phenomenon” after a shooting, where people feel they need to have a gun for protection or retaliation, he said.
If gun control is now part of “public health,“ will it become the responsibility of the government to monitor the issue like any other ”infectious disease”?
One commenter wrote that he would prefer if the “experts” stuck to medicine, rather than trying to “socially engineer” our way to a healthier society.
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Associated Press writer Pete Yost in Washington contributed to this report.
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Comments (377)
mlgunner
Posted on August 11, 2012 at 7:33pmWhat really blows my mind is that they would try to use Sikhs to push this crap. I don’t think it would go over well in the Sikh community that owning weapons is a social disease… considering the men have to carry a sword as a part of their religion.
Report Post »lookatthefactsjack
Posted on August 11, 2012 at 8:32pmIt may be a ‘disease’ but the carriers of that disease are the ‘rats’ (hoodlums) that illegally possess them.
Report Post »I and my ilk (non-criminals) seem to be immune to this disease. go figger
Dan
Posted on August 11, 2012 at 9:01pm“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.”
Report Post »–Winston Churchill
Wolf
Posted on August 11, 2012 at 9:05pmJust another liberal California ‘take the guns’ movement that needs to be nipped in the bud. No sane or sensible reason, regardless the methodology used.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on August 11, 2012 at 9:19pmWow, they try to sound all scientific, but left out that blacks make up 12 % of our population, and commit 50% of the nation’s murders. If blacks murdered at the same rate as whites, we would have one of the lowest murder rates in the world, and it would be 32% lower that what it currently is
I think it would be more accurate to say we have a black murder problem, and that the majority of those getting murdered are also black.
When you study it more in depth, you will find black raised by both parents, have the same murder rate as whites.
They might do well to study the effects of welfare, multicultural education, and rap music. They will go much further that way, but well all know the PC police would put a stop to doing anything real.
Report Post »historyguy48
Posted on August 11, 2012 at 9:31pmThere is a social disease involved here, it’s called moronic liberals.
Report Post »db321
Posted on August 11, 2012 at 9:32pmI must have a Social Disease, I have this desire to protect myself and family.
I don’t care if the Surgeon General says or if you bring back Jacques Cousteau – I am not giving up my guns.
Report Post »muffythetuffy
Posted on August 11, 2012 at 9:57pmITS CALLED CRIME
Guns are the antidote to crime. Unarmed people are sheep before the armed criminal. Armed people are a free people. These Health experts are really criminals themselves.
Report Post »GumRock
Posted on August 11, 2012 at 10:33pm@ Ranger P.
Report Post »I so agree.
You Know it , I Know it. a Lot of people Know it.
the Obomedia will ignore it. the Useful idiots wont know it.
even worse , they think this kind of Hooey is real.
how many times does this trick have to be played out till they look at
what the other hand is doing ? its all right out there in front, yet some cant see it.
rc30
Posted on August 11, 2012 at 10:37pmWOW I have a hard time with this one. Now I have heard some crazy people talk on how we need more gun control. BUT ARE YOU FING KIDDING ME. Now this is the new way to get there. I wonder how much of this I will see in the up coming weeks. Gun control is so easy to rip apart. With just history and numbers. No one who can think and knows some history can loose the debate. You can just use the UK number from before gun control and after and win a debate.
Report Post »termyt
Posted on August 11, 2012 at 11:42pmOwning a gun is now not only a disease, but it is also contagious. Homosexuality is perfectly normal, though.
IF you own a gun, you are more likely to shoot someone. You better believe it. Criminals beware, I have this disease and if you break into my home, this disease may cause me to shoot you.
Hey – that’s it! We are responsible for shooting anyone. The disease made me do it!
Report Post »banjarmon
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 12:59amDr Dingbat has been drinking TOO TOO much Pelosi cool-aid!!!!
Report Post »mr.goodvibe
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 1:04amNever let a crisis go to waste.
Report Post »SanDiegoCountyCitizen
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 3:51am@RANGERP
Report Post »As usual, you nail the issue. Murder is a lack of good moral & ethical values, combined with a lack of self control. If we can re-enforce good values and self control in at-risk youth in the black community, we might be able to drop murders by 30%. Well worth a few extra bucks out of my own pocket, if we could just get a proper plan up an running that didn’t involve the progressive-statist government dependency.
Bill Rowland
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 6:07amI have owned guns since my 8th birthday in 1949. The only time I have pointed a gun at a human being or shot at a human being was when I served in the US Army for 23 years.
I have always had guns in my home and made sure that my children knew what they were and how to use them. My wife, myself and two of our daughters are licensed to carry concealed. Our sons would also be licensed but the live in states that have restricted laws. All the kids hunt and own shotguns and rifles and none of them have ever shot at another person.
These so called scientists are full bull manure and have a bad case of cranial rectalitus (having your head up your a**).
How do these guys feel about the use of firerarms by the military? Armed citizens made this country what it is and secured the freedoms that allow these guys to spout this nonsense.
Remember the biggest enemies of guns are rust and politicians.
OMG Nov 6, 2012
Report Post »Zipit
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 9:04amGun violence is not a social disease! Gun violence is a “disease of socialism”!
Report Post »Thomas_Jefferson
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 9:35am(Public Health Experts Reportedly Targeting Gun Violence as ‘Social Disease’)
Accidental Deaths: Doctors vs. Gun Owners
There are approximately 700,000 physicians in the US who cause approximately 100,000 adverse drug reaction (ADR) deaths and 200,000 deaths annually. Some reports estimate more than 800,000 preventable deaths annually. But if we accept a conservative estimate of 120,000 preventable deaths annually, the accidental death rate per physician would be 0.171.
Conversely, there are 80 million gun owners in the US who cause approximately 1,500 accidental deaths annually. This means that the rate of accidental death per gun owner is .000188.
This means that, statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more likely to accidentally kill someone than gun owners.
http://semmelweis.org/2009/08/08/accidental-deaths-doctors-vs-gun-owners/
Should Public Health Experts be identified as a ‘Social Disease’ ?
Report Post »Bum thrower
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 9:41amThese leftists need to go to Mexico or central/South American with their ‘social disease’ crap and see how that plays in Hondurans or El Salvador……yea right……..if that is what they’re selling, I’m not buying………..today or any day…
Report Post »poorrichard09
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 10:45amIt’s interesting that firearms sales have set new records ever since 0bummer was elected. Hmmmm….
What we need to curb nut jobs mass killers is 3 S’s regarding punishment: Swift, Sure and Severe (yes the death penalty.) Swift punishment-ya’ know like they fast-tracked timothy mcveigh.
Report Post »PATTY HENRY
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 11:38amTAKE AWAY ALL OUR CARS!!! QUICK!!! Dopes.
Report Post »DMONIC
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 12:48pm@ RangerRP
Didn’t you know, THAT would be a racist thing to say? The black man has been oppressed all these years, and the white man has no right to state the facts. If the police acted on Bloombergs idea that “all police should go on strike until every gun owner handed over their guns”, us LEGAL owners would “cure” this “social disease” real damn quick. Then we would all become MD’s overnight…
Report Post »GYSGT1985
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 1:25pmOne way to prevent disease: innoculations. A good dose of responsible gun ownership = no more crapheads.
Report Post »Dr Vel
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 3:54pmThe greatest threat to public health is quack doctors like Dr. Garen Wintemute.
Report Post »Pancho Vanilla
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 4:26pmLet’s look at it this way: 1) We all agree (basically) that the ones who want our guns are actually the very same introverts or anti-social children who did not play in the same sandbox with us. Remember those kids who were shy? Why became of them?
They ended up as “lawyers”, “politicians”, “accountants” – even members of the media – one kid was black and had big ears, even had a funny name and now his is the POTUS. So they grew up much like the Israelis; where the name of the game is CONTROL once out of the fear zone: “Now I am in a position where I won’t be laughed at or judged…” is what might race through their minds, but they are still the same kids who never played in the same sandbox with “U.S.” as children.
They were safe at home; behind books – now they lead the majority of “U.S.”. Speaking of being scared! The tables have turned!
So the new “50s” age group is taking over, and most of the Department of Homeland Security administration and leadership are women – look for yourselves: They want our children to “behave”; not to experience freedom and happiness – but rather to depend on government and 20 minute delays for 911 calls to be dealt with, when all along, we (I) could have done better to invite these same kids years ago to come and be a friend and go to places where we learned how to shoot guns and use them responsibly.
It’s my fault, darn it! But let me try to fix it: (Waving my arms toward Washington: “Hey! DHS
Report Post »000degrees
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 4:28pmRanger is accurate as always. I just added two AR‘s and a new safe and damn if I didn’t forget to pick up a case and drink myself silly on the way home. These knucklehead “medical professionals” will say anything. Such as: “What I’m struggling with is, is this the new social norm?” he asked, before asserting: “This is what we’re going to have to live with if we have more personal access to firearms.”
Report Post »The most accurate thing they said…. Skateboards and pools will be next if “logic” follows.
starman70
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 4:28pmIt’s a disease alright: A disease caused by the removal of Biblical morality being taught in the schools. A disease caused by the plethora of video games with violent content. A disease caused by the fact that proper behavior and social skills are not being taught in the home. A disease caused by the liberal establishment who says any method is ok as long as it feels good to you. A disease caused by the total lack of respect for you fellow man. A disease promulgated by the very “Scientists” who publish such tripe. Scientists who say hat disciplining your child will hurt his/her self esteem. Scientists who say spare the rod and spoil the child, not the other way around as the Bible states.
It’s high time we told those so called “Experts” to move to France. The French and most of Europe have lived by these standards for years and see what they have now.
Report Post »1971Bronco
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 5:15pmDr. Wintermute, who serves as the director of the Violence Prevention Research Program at UC Davis, is perhaps best known for authoring the anti-gun report “Ring of Fire: The Handgun Makers of Southern California. More recently, Dr. Wintermute and his team conducted “undercover operations” of gunshows for their report, “Inside Gun Shows: What Goes on When Everyone Thinks Nobody is Watching.”
Report Post »http://www.zoominfo.com/people/Wintemute_Garen_5087817.aspx
Servant Of YHVH
Posted on August 13, 2012 at 12:59amThe only “social disease” that they know about is the STD disease eating away their brains and intelligence. This just goes to show everyone that someone that epitomizes utter stupidity can still get a medical license unless they got their license online from some fly by night paper shuffler.
Report Post »johnjamison
Posted on August 13, 2012 at 1:59pmIf it is a social disease then why doesn’t mainly infect the minority communities. What immunities do whites have that somehow make them uneffectable….
Report Post »LeslieFish
Posted on August 13, 2012 at 3:25pmGee, if this is a “disease” caused by the proximity of guns, then why isn’t it a problem in Switzerland — where everybody has a gun? I suspect it’s a problem caused by an imbalance of guns — that is, some people have guns and others don’t. The obvious solution is to “immunize” the population, by giving everybody a gun — and thorough training with it — from an early age, like the Swiss.
–Leslie < Fish
Report Post »BlessedONE333
Posted on August 11, 2012 at 7:32pm“There’s sort of a contagion phenomenon” after a shooting, where people feel they need to have a gun for protection or retaliation, he said.
YEAH ITS CALLED SELF PRESERVATION YOU HALFWIT MORON!
please tell me no one is seriously listing to these dumb white coat fools? THEY need a wake up call and a COME TO JESUS moment – lame people make me wonder if we can pull this nation back up again
Report Post »SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
Posted on August 11, 2012 at 7:50pmAs a surgeon, I for one just want to say this has NOTHING to do with medicine or “social diseases” and everything to do with a political ideology disguised to lQQk like something else. However, with the every increasing intrusion by government into health related issues it is understandable why they want to use medicine as another vehicle to bring pressure upon the issue from another avenue. Many gun control advocates see the recent violence as an opportunity to seize and capitalize on the emotions surrounding the tragedies to try and gain momentum among the populace for their position, especially the impressionable and often parentally unguided youth. I find it interesting that death from drunk driving has always hovered around 2000 more than gun violence in the US and drunk driving is illegal with heavy penalties and fines, but the problem has not ever really curtailed. I also find it interesting that no one is purposing new, more stringent laws regarding alcohol consumption or bans given its “social disease” model.
Report Post »ZBP
Posted on August 11, 2012 at 8:17pmHeck, using their logic just outlaw driving in general. It kills people all the time.
Report Post »MEANS2RESIST
Posted on August 11, 2012 at 10:20pmThey’re following UN/NWO propaganda strategy. Josef Goebels would be proud of them.
Report Post »Solexander
Posted on August 13, 2012 at 1:43am“I am wearing a white coat, therefor I am ever so wise.” Nope, not convincing.
Report Post »dwilco77
Posted on August 13, 2012 at 4:06amDr Hargarten with political contributions to: PROGRESSIVES UNITED POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE – he has no credibility. If The ‘Joker” in Aurora did not have guns, he would have just used more bombs. His apartment was set up to kill everyone in the building. Guns do not kill people. People kill people.
Report Post »cookcountypatriot
Posted on August 11, 2012 at 7:30pmlooks like a ploy to disarm white people…if violence is a disese then go give the cure to the south and west side of chicago please
Report Post »P C BE DAMNED
Posted on August 11, 2012 at 7:40pmGo back to your world of communism and ignorance. We are not buying it. We will keep our guns as it is a right from God to keep the government in fear of the people which equals Liberty. Foolish people with degrees once again proven not to be as educated in good sense as a common working man.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on August 11, 2012 at 7:55pmThis means that we can lock up Diane Feinstein & Rosanne Barr for health reasons. It is for their own health you understand. they both have permits to carry guns or own guns. Plus I believe Rosanne Barr might be on one ot\those sex predator lists for lewd & lacivious conduct. Didn’t she grab her crotch in front of a stadium full of witnesses? So she really needs to get mental health treatment & fast.
We should be able to lock up Bill Daley, Ted Kennedy (if he were alive) & many other who had bodyguards armed with guns. I think they were also infected & need treatment from mental health officials.
Report Post »hayesstephen
Posted on August 11, 2012 at 8:51pmI was just reading how the homosexuals are demanding that the Gay life style should be taught in school. I may be wrong but I an thinking that more people have died of AIDS than from being shot in say the last thirty years. Now based on what those two Liberal Trash ( I do not care if they are educated, genius Doctors) are saying gays should be controlled and if they have a AIDS OR ARE HIV INFECTED there should be in place a system from preventing them infecting others. It is quite obvious that they can’t be trusted to do it voluntarily. Whats funny is that these liberal loons are doing with NoBama is that when and he will get Sharia Law as the Law of our Country they will be in the Camps along with the Jews we Christians and the . We all will be give the offer, convert to Islam or die, except gays, their bound for the gibbet. Now do not get nasty, we who will not convert, I pray to Yeshua that I will not fail in my faith, and remain believing in Him as they stand me against the wall. The Book teaches us that Yaweh gives a people the government they deserve. In 2013 look for public executions and floggings in your community. The end of the U.S.A is at hand, The coming horror will make the Nazis atrocities look like a picnic. The camps are ready, each camp has railroads leading to it, the OberKapo Juden are eager and ready. Yaweh let me not weaken but die like martyrs have always been ready to die for you.
Report Post »DMONIC
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 12:55pmI agree with you totally, Cook County Patriot! I for one am sick to death of IL gun laws. Living on the south side, or some southern suburbs I sometimes feel the NEED to carry. Some pretty damn scary areas I drive through just to get to work!
Report Post »Moonrunner69
Posted on August 11, 2012 at 7:29pmUntil they take our guns they will not feel safe telling us how and what to do in the life they envision for us. The Right to Bear Arms is to protect us from…… the Government.
We are in it now and there is no turning back.
My guns will have to be taken and I will never kneel before anyone but God.
Report Post »MartyTr
Posted on August 11, 2012 at 7:28pmI bet he owns one or lives in a gated community. We know the liberal hypocracy.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on August 11, 2012 at 7:59pmThat is the way it works. He is cocooned in relative safety.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on August 11, 2012 at 9:16pmWhile they IGNORE real SOCIAL DISEASES .. that are spread by progressive imorality! Std’s from immoral lifestyles.
Report Post »Mmaysr
Posted on August 11, 2012 at 7:28pmThey can kick and scream all they want. They are not getting my firearm as long as I am still kickin’. So just stick to doctoring and mind your own business and I’ll tend to mine…morons
Report Post »rpp
Posted on August 11, 2012 at 7:26pmIf they decide to declare this a health care issue, no problem. The HHS Secretary can force insurance companies to deny coverage to people who own firearms, forcing them to pay the no insurance “tax” or get rid of their guns. (Oh, and if you refuse to answer the gun question, coverage is denied. If you lie, you go to jail for insurance fraud.) No need for Congress, no need to amend the constitution, heck, you do not even need the FBI or ATF, just the IRS to enforce it.. And, as a side benefit, they get the names and every person who owns a gun.
Report Post »ZBP
Posted on August 11, 2012 at 8:09pmStop it! You’re giving them ideas!
Report Post »Pink_Panther_Party
Posted on August 11, 2012 at 8:23pmAND, if you can’t pay the massively inflated “GUNOWNER HEALTH INSURANCE RATES”, the IRS will simply put a lien on your HOUSE and BINGO!, the next thing you know, you and your family are HOMELESS and all because you owned a gun and wouldn’t give it up.
So you snicker to yourself and say, “Oh, I’m just another hapless victim of a boating disaster that took all my guns in Lake Minnitonka”, but the IRS applies the same rules of “living beyond your means” (i.e. WE DON‘T BELIEVE YOU AND WE’RE FORCING YOU TO PAY WHATEVER WE SAY ANYWAY) and you’re assessed the tax and your house is snatched in cynical disregard for anything RESEMBLING the 2nd Amendment or Constitution.
Still thinking about getting that CCW permit?
Report Post »republitarian
Posted on August 11, 2012 at 8:24pmThis is why we can’t let government take over heath care. They will attach anything they want to it.
Report Post »338lapua
Posted on August 11, 2012 at 8:28pmI am buying hemp rope futures! There will be no more tyranny in my future. Coming soon to a website near you……”Hempline, why buy your hemp rope from just anyone……buy from us and DON”T worry about taking physical possession of your hemp rope, we will store it for you” No forms to fill out, just go to the nearest public execution,sell your rope, AND TAKE YOUR MONEY!
Report Post »(end sarcasm)
This is sick, and I do not mean social disease sick.
burnteye86
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 3:18amOr receive some sort of mark or something that prohibits you from buying or selling anything.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on August 11, 2012 at 7:24pmThe only Social Disease here… is a Meme of Paranoia… spread by Liberals!
Report Post »Skeeterhawk
Posted on August 11, 2012 at 7:22pmThis guy went to med school? No one accepts this as a “social norm” you bonehead. We all see it as an abomination. People buy guns after one of these events because idiots like this doctor help to create knee jerk legislation to ban firearms, magazines and ammo whenever one of these tragedies occur. Perhaps the good doctor should study why the criminals doing the shooting will not follow all current and new gun laws and legislation for bans and restrictions. What is wrong with someone that wants to protect themselves from nuts and criminals?
Report Post »When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.
“One recent study found firearm owners are more likely than those with no firearms at home to binge drink or drink and drive, the AP reports.” And that means what?
C. Schwehr
Posted on August 11, 2012 at 11:24pmThat means a study was “invented” to indicate what was wanted…that gun owners are dangerous and they should be watched.
This doctor should stick to medicating himself!
Report Post »tiredofbeingtired
Posted on August 11, 2012 at 7:20pmI just get tired of all this crap they keep spewing…I to wish the lord would just talk me home and get me out of this looney bin we call home.
Report Post »MartyTr
Posted on August 11, 2012 at 7:27pmI hear you, I’m in CA. If Obama wins we’re going first.
Report Post »justangry
Posted on August 11, 2012 at 7:19pmThat’s quite a stretch. I wonder what the good doctor thinks of all the crap the pharmaceutical companies are pushing on us.
Report Post »midnightgolfer
Posted on August 11, 2012 at 7:19pmAll crime is hate. All criminal violence is social disease. Speech is not crime. Simple. Now where’s my government grant money for solving these woes of our modern society? actually, you know what, give it back to who ever you took it from in the first place.
Report Post »Skeeterhawk
Posted on August 11, 2012 at 7:27pmyeah, that was worth about five or six million dollars in grant money.
Report Post »NOT A CRAZY
Posted on August 11, 2012 at 7:19pmNothing new here. The taxpayer funded CDC has been pushing this BS political agenda for years.
Report Post »Raven249
Posted on August 11, 2012 at 7:18pmIf it’s a social disease, what about hunters, security personnel, LEOs, military personnel, and other groups whose job entails carrying a gun? Shouldn’t they be protected from this contagion as well, or do we not care about them? lol Talk about a load of bull.
Report Post »blackyb
Posted on August 11, 2012 at 7:15pmNope, guns just help us stave off the social(ist) disease if and when they decide to kill those who will not bend to their diseased minds. Violence is what good Americans prevent by not allowing themselves to become victims of the violence of hipocrit criminals.
Report Post »arty6164
Posted on August 11, 2012 at 7:11pmLiberalism, much like an infectious disease, circulates and spreads stupidity.
Report Post »Logistician
Posted on August 11, 2012 at 9:57pmBingo. Beliefs, values, perceptions, fads and fasions, all spread like a “social desease.“ ”They” know this, and they manuipulate to the nth degree trying to modify the body politic. From speech codes to “hate crimes” and the whole gambit of political correctness, this is the Marxist approach to the human condition. If a little old lady throws a rock thorugh a store window, folks like these are primarly concerned with who “incited” her to throw that rock–because the idea of individual volition and free will is alian to them. They percieve humanity only as a collective made up of collectives, and analyate the individual in the process. It’s a dark, evil anti-American worldview that is the polar opposite of Liberty, and there is ample reason to be terrified of it.
Report Post »Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
Posted on August 11, 2012 at 7:10pmTyranny by any other name would smell as sour.
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on August 11, 2012 at 7:10pmUm, do I have this right? 2nd Amendment gun rights are a social disease but gay marriage is hunky dorey?
Lord, please just take me home.
Report Post »Realist4U
Posted on August 11, 2012 at 7:14pmIt is not a disease within itself. It is a symptom of a disease called “Liberalism.”
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on August 11, 2012 at 7:33pmYo CoPatriots:
You got a problem with homosexuality … you must be diseased .. it’s called the hate gene .
Lord, please don’t take her home … I want some more hugs…
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on August 11, 2012 at 7:54pmYo 4TRUTH……
Um, what?
Either way, I’ll always send a hug your way.
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 2:47amYo Co:
Jokin .. didn’t ya know?
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 9:32amNot sure about your “jokin” based on a few of your other posts but I liked this quote the best. :-)
“God’s desire is that these people turn from their wicked ways …HIS death on the cross was for ALL people, even Paul who was the WORST of sinners.”
I agree with this completely, 4TRUTH! I wasn’t hating anyone…..and I try to live my life without hate. My thoughts are society shouldn’t be accepting sin and calling it good. In the subject matter of this discussion….my fear is that the society who does accept sin potentially shares the same fate as Sodom and Gomorrah.
I also don’t think society should accept abortion, adultery, divorce…..just to name a few other sins. Adding acceptance of gay marriage to our culture surely drives this country further from God’s will.
To add context to this discussion. Up until the early 1970′s, homosexuality was considered a mental illness. Militant gays, with the help of liberal, destructive Bill Ayers-types, fought, threatened and ostracized psychiatrist to change that illness designation. We are now living out the result of that modified designation. Culturally, that was the first step in our “accepting the sin”….and we did that under the umbrella of “tolerance”.
Thus, my original point was……our 2nd Amendment right is being stripped by starting to consider gun ownership as a “social disease” while our cultures accepts an actual social disease.
Blessings upon you!
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 1:23pmYo CoPatriots:
My apologies for my attempt at humor not being obvious.
Report Post »Please, give me an example of a post that you found questionable as to who I am.
I have a whole bunch of articles from Time magazine about the “science” of our genes, and you can find them everywhere in the world of evolution. They always try to explain away sin as you are most probably aware … I was only alluding in humor to this … I don’t really like to use the word sarcasm, but there ya go.
Concerning the rest of your comments … we be on the same page.
This story is complete silliness with sinister intentions, and the one about the Dem’s making the acceptance of homosexuality part of the parties postion; utter foolisness. Many SHOULD leave the party because of this. We CANNOT servive as a nation doing these things.
Again, my apologies for you thinking that I spoke harshly toward you.
My peace be apon your head so heavy you can fly ~&~ …
copatriots
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 4:57pmMy apologies then, 4TRUTH, for completely misunderstanding you! I am sure I misread your other posts too.
Most glad we are on the same page!
And many, many thanks for your kind wishes! Until the next time, be well!
Report Post »MBA
Posted on August 11, 2012 at 7:07pmThe real social disease is people who have no values or morals andwho take no responsibility for the problems and disappointments in their lives. Everyone is bullied at some time in their life-deal with it, get over it and move on. Some people are more successful than others–that is life. No one owes anyone anything – the only person who can take care of you is you. But no–liberals don’t want anyone to be responsible for themselves becausethen they might not be re-elected to the polticial jobs where they can rape and pillage the US taxpayer. Cram your social disease.
Report Post »LuigiMucci
Posted on August 11, 2012 at 7:38pmYou need to change your name to “HAMMER”… you hit the nail on the head!
Report Post »zombiehunter
Posted on August 11, 2012 at 7:48pmI salute you sir, good words
Report Post »IMCHRISTIAN
Posted on August 11, 2012 at 7:06pmI suppose that the government will want to give them free meds so they don’t pass it on.
Report Post »Tri-ox
Posted on August 11, 2012 at 7:05pmLOL – - – obama’s dopey gun-grabbers are getting desperate.
Molon Labe!
Report Post »kickagrandma
Posted on August 11, 2012 at 7:09pmApparently, we are on the same page!
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kickagrandma
Posted on August 11, 2012 at 7:04pmBring it, ahs.
Report Post »david3755
Posted on August 11, 2012 at 6:59pmSocial engineering is not the job of medical professionals and guns are not a disease. If the center for disease control gets involved in this I look for their budget to suffer the consequences of throwing tax payer money away.
Report Post »t00nces2
Posted on August 11, 2012 at 7:06pmDoesn’t this just reek of and “administrator” who is deciding to just nudge people into not being comfortable owning guns.
Report Post »TookARisk
Posted on August 11, 2012 at 6:58pmReally? AND….don’t tell me…..this guy thinks we should all have some sort of BRAIN implant so they can make sure no one ever shoots a gun again, right? What a loser.
Report Post »sckimbershot
Posted on August 11, 2012 at 6:56pmsocial disease? what social group is most responsible for firearm related incidents?
Report Post »oldduffer
Posted on August 11, 2012 at 7:17pmSame ones taking up space in the prisons. Well over 93%,
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